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The Kenny Report | 17 November · The Kenny Report

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Speaker 1: Lone from the skying New Center. This is the Kenny Report.
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Speaker 1: Welcome to another week here on the Kenny Report.
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Speaker 2: Coming up tonight, the ridiculous and ill time leadership speculation
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Speaker 2: swirling around Susan Lee and the Liberal Party, the ABC
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Speaker 2: refusing to investigate their own dodgy editing of US President
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Speaker 2: Donald Trump. Chris Bowen arrives at the Climate Talkfest in
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Speaker 2: Brazil as he ramps up the campaign for Australia to
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Speaker 2: host COP thirty one plenty more tonight with Claire Lehman,
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Speaker 2: Gemutin Yini and Caroline Derusso let's get into it. Look,
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Speaker 2: I can't ignore the leadership speculations swirling around Susan Lee
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Speaker 2: and the Liberal Party.
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Speaker 1: It's ridiculous and ill timed.
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Speaker 2: It's typical of the instincts for self harm inside the
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Speaker 2: Liberal moderates, and it is of course egged on by labor.
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Speaker 2: Much of the Camber press gallery also just loves to
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Speaker 2: amplify and exaggerate this sort of stuff. And in the
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Speaker 2: short term it's my slightly going to come to nothing.
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Speaker 2: So I wish I could ignore it, but I have
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Speaker 2: to mention it, especially given some liberals I've spoken to
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Speaker 2: today are a little dispirited and confused.
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Speaker 1: By it all.
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Speaker 2: And look, in the longer term, Andrew Hasty may well
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Speaker 2: be the great hope.
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Speaker 1: For the Liberals, but now is not the time.
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Speaker 2: There are bigger fish to fry, not just for the
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Speaker 2: sake of the Liberals, of course, but for the country.
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Speaker 1: And let's be fair here.
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Speaker 2: Lee has taken the job of opposition leader at an
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Speaker 2: enormously difficult time and on this crucial climate and energy
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Speaker 2: policy she has ended up with the right position. And
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Speaker 2: more to the point, she's been arguing it reasonably well
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Speaker 2: in recent days. How do you get prices down? You
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Speaker 2: use more of our abundant natural gas.
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Speaker 3: So Australians get this, that they know that Australian gas
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Speaker 3: should be for Australians and we need to make sure
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Speaker 3: that we bring power prices down. So we're putting affordability
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Speaker 3: front and center now.
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Speaker 2: If Labor wants to try to argue that using more
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Speaker 2: gas generation doesn't improve our energy reliability and affordability, then
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Speaker 2: they're going to have to explain why they've bankrolled the
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Speaker 2: one point three billion dollar Curry Curry gas generation plant
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Speaker 2: in New South Wales Hunter Valley that's coming online right now.
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Speaker 2: The point about the energy argument is that Labor is
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Speaker 2: presiding over a mess, which is why they only want
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Speaker 2: to play partisan politics.
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Speaker 4: The strangers know the cheapest form of new energy is renewables.
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Speaker 4: That's why the Liberals coalition policy is friendless. There isn't
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Speaker 4: an energy expert in Australia coming out and saying.
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Speaker 1: This, whatever it is will work.
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Speaker 4: It is just a policy to try and get the
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Speaker 4: leader of the Opposition through to Christmas as the leader,
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Speaker 4: in spite of the fact she is being undermined each
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Speaker 4: and every day by her own colleagues.
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Speaker 2: Cheap political hits as a distraction from energy madness. If
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Speaker 2: renewables are so cheap, why do bills go higher the
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Speaker 2: more renewables that Labor installs. We all know why, of course,
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Speaker 2: because they don't produce the power when we need it
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Speaker 2: or where we need it, so we're hit with ever
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Speaker 2: increasing costs for transmission, storage and firming. Labour is in
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Speaker 2: denial about this reality, which is why after almost four
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Speaker 2: years in power, they try to blame their mess on
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Speaker 2: the Coalition.
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Speaker 4: One of the things that my government is dealing with
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Speaker 4: is that for ten years they had twenty three policy
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Speaker 4: announcements on energy and they didn't land one of them,
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Speaker 4: and now we've had multiple different announcements over the last week.
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Speaker 2: It's just not credible, is it, Which is why Labor
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Speaker 2: doesn't want to have this debate. I mean, imagine Labor
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Speaker 2: is still campaigning at the UN's COP thirty in Brazil.
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Speaker 2: They've sent Climate and Energy Minister Chris Bowen and a
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Speaker 2: host of bureaucrats and advisors all the way to Brazil
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Speaker 2: to keep campaigning for Australia to host next year's UN
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Speaker 2: Climate talkfest in Adelaide at a cost of up to
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Speaker 2: two billion dollars. Two billion dollars but cop this, well,
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Speaker 2: you are expected to pay.
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Speaker 1: For this nonsense?
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Speaker 2: The Foreign Minister doesn't think you're entitled to hear about
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Speaker 2: their planned spending.
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Speaker 5: I'm not going to comment on the costs of a
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Speaker 5: conference that we haven't got, we haven't won the bid
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Speaker 5: for yet.
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Speaker 6: You don't know the cost we're bidding, well, I.
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Speaker 5: Said, we're not. Well, you know, I think it would
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Speaker 5: also depend on the scope of it. So I'm not
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Speaker 5: going to comment on that data.
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Speaker 6: But would that be the sort of price tag Australian
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Speaker 6: should expect.
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Speaker 5: We're doing this again? Where were you know? David asked
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Speaker 5: the same question, it's the same answer.
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Speaker 2: It's all so funny and jolly, isn't it. I mean,
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Speaker 2: it's only two billion dollars and it's only taxpayers that
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Speaker 2: are on the hook for it.
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Speaker 1: But here's the thing.
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Speaker 2: The Coalition has never been able to properly attack this
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Speaker 2: stuff because they've had the same position, the same net
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Speaker 2: zero by twenty to fifty goal. Now they can attack
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Speaker 2: this indulgence properly because they have a different approach. Sure
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Speaker 2: it would be clearer if the Coalition had ditched Paris
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Speaker 2: as well. There's no significant country in Paris that's on
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Speaker 2: track to meet net zero anyway. In fact, the UN's
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Speaker 2: own Energy agency says net zero is impossible with current technology.
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Speaker 2: So the whole thing is a sad joke. But here's
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Speaker 2: what the Coalition should concentrate on. Dropping net zero by
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Speaker 2: twenty fifty is the right policy. The national energy self
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Speaker 2: harm under Labor is the biggest threat to this country
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Speaker 2: on multiple levels. This alternative policy is crucial to call
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Speaker 2: out Labour's mess. If the Coalition can just be consistent
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Speaker 2: and united on its approach for a number of months,
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Speaker 2: its criticism of Labour's mess will cut through and the
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Speaker 2: many voters who have been bluffed by the climate and
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Speaker 2: energy misinformation promulgated by Labor and its media mates will
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Speaker 2: start to wake up to the reality. If the Coalition
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Speaker 2: remains strong and consistent, then every time there is another
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Speaker 2: development in this disaster, it will only buttress their position,
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Speaker 2: Like when there are more electricity bill increases, or when
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Speaker 2: Labor has to spend more money funding more rebates, or
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Speaker 2: when there are serious blackouts and energy shortages on hot days,
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Speaker 2: or when the cost of living goes up driven by
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Speaker 2: more energy cost increases, or when more industries suffer and
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Speaker 2: jobs disappear. All these failures will only underscore how badly
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Speaker 2: Labour is mismanaging this and why the Coalition alternative is necessary.
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Speaker 2: This debate is not about the climate. Nothing Australia does
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Speaker 2: will influence the climate. We will get the climate that
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Speaker 2: nature and global emissions give us, nothing more and nothing less.
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Speaker 2: This debate is about much more than electricity prices too.
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Speaker 2: It's about how those prices affect the cost of groceries
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Speaker 2: and all the goods and services we pay for every day.
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Speaker 2: It's about the jobs and industries we have in this
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Speaker 2: country and whether we can support the AI data centers
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Speaker 2: and other jobs of the future. It's about whether we
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Speaker 2: can build nuclear submarines here and develop other national security
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Speaker 2: projects that rely on affordable and reliable energy. Therefore, it's
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Speaker 2: about our energy security and our national security, and it's
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Speaker 2: also about our environment, making sure that the whole country
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Speaker 2: is not crisscrossed by solar factories, wind farms, big batteries
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Speaker 2: and transmission lines link in them all. It's an argument
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Speaker 2: the Coalition can't lose if they make it consistently in
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Speaker 2: coming months, but it will take time and unity and commitment.
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Speaker 2: Magic fixes don't happen in politics. That's why moving on
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Speaker 2: Susan Lee now would be counterproductive.
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Speaker 3: I know you've got to ask these questions, Nat, but
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Speaker 3: I'm not going to lose focus on the things that matter,
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Speaker 3: and I'm not going to lose focus on the plan
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Speaker 3: that I'm talking about right now, which is about people.
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Speaker 3: It's about Australians, it's about affordable energy as a priority.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, the Coalition finally has a coherent policy to push.
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Speaker 2: They need to bet it down, lay the foundation for
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Speaker 2: their attack on labor. This must be their top priority
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Speaker 2: for the next six months at least, that's what the
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Speaker 2: country needs. If they get distracted by themselves again, they'll
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Speaker 2: only be letting voters down. Let me update you on
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Speaker 2: the ABC and the way they are refusing even to
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Speaker 2: investigate their own dodgy editing of US President Donald Trump.
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Speaker 2: I showed you last week how the ABC's four corners
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Speaker 2: had tried to make it look like the President was
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Speaker 2: encouraging the violence at the Capitol in Washington, DC five
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Speaker 2: years ago. Our story about this tricky and misleading journalism
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Speaker 2: has migrated to the US.
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Speaker 1: Here's the headline and the New York Post.
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Speaker 2: Talking about the Ossie broadcaster and the deceptive editing an
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Speaker 2: Australian news program docted President Trump's January the sixth speech
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Speaker 2: in the same manner the BBC manipulated its his remarks.
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Speaker 2: It says, according to a report, Well, that report was
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Speaker 2: my report on this program.
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Speaker 1: Of course.
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Speaker 2: I included my report also in a complaint to the
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Speaker 2: ABC last week, and I've now received a response from
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Speaker 2: the ABC's onwardsman, Fiona Cameron, who said the ABC it
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Speaker 2: doesn't have to accept complaints if they're about programs aired
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Speaker 2: more than three months earlier.
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Speaker 1: In this instance, the onwardsman.
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Speaker 2: Said the period has been well exceeded However, I have
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Speaker 2: further considered your concerns, taking into consideration proportionate and appropriate
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Speaker 2: complaint handling principles. In doing so, I have concluded that
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Speaker 2: allocating the resources to investigate this almost five year old
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Speaker 2: program is not warranted. So the ABC misleads viewers with
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Speaker 2: dodgy editing five years ago, but it only comes to
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Speaker 2: light now, So they decide not to investigate it because
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Speaker 2: it's too long ago, and they cite the allocation of
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Speaker 2: resources for an investigation as an issue. I'll tell you
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Speaker 2: how long this takes one person two hours Watch the
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Speaker 2: ABC four Corners program, Watch the President's speech, read the
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Speaker 2: transfer grips, compare the pair. The ABC ran a narrative
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Speaker 2: that Trump was to blame, and they edited the President's
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Speaker 2: words to suit their narrative.
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Speaker 1: Think about it this way.
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Speaker 2: The whole point of the argument put by reporter Sarah
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Speaker 2: Ferguson was that the President's speech on that day encouraged
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Speaker 2: the violence at the Capitol.
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Speaker 1: That was the narrative.
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Speaker 2: Yet in his speech, there were only two sentences where
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Speaker 2: the President said what he wanted the protesters to do
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Speaker 2: at the Capitol.
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Speaker 1: Here they are, We're going to.
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Speaker 7: Walk down to the Capitol, and we're going to cheer
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Speaker 7: on our brave senators and congressmen and women, and we're
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Speaker 7: probably not going to be cheering so much for some
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Speaker 7: of them. I know that everyone here will soon be
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Speaker 7: marching over to the Capitol Building to peacefully and patriotic
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Speaker 7: make your voices heard.
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Speaker 2: So if you're talking about a link between the speech
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Speaker 2: and the riot, surely, at the very least you would
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Speaker 2: include the very bits of the speech where the President
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Speaker 2: offers directions about what should happen at the Capitol. But
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Speaker 2: the ABC did not include either of those comments. In fact,
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Speaker 2: they included the words before and after one of those instances,
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Speaker 2: but just cut out the actual words of direction. Instead,
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Speaker 2: they broadcast language that sounded more aggressive. This is an
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Speaker 2: open and shut case. Just as the BBC twisted the
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Speaker 2: facts to suit their anti Trump agenda, so did the ABC.
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Speaker 2: But have a listen to how the ABC's Julia Baird
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Speaker 2: describes the BBC's egregious editing of Trump on that same.
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Speaker 8: Day, and now we have a panorama program tho'se been
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Speaker 8: found to have edited a speech by Donald Trump in
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Speaker 8: a very unfortunate way.
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Speaker 1: Very unfortunate, unfortunate.
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Speaker 2: If you happen to be trump or unfortunate if you're
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Speaker 2: interested in the truth. At least her comedian colleague was
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Speaker 2: a little more frank.
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Speaker 9: While that was terrible piece of journalism in that you
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Speaker 9: just described like they literally took something from the beginning
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Speaker 9: of his speech and put it after something from the
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Speaker 9: middle of his speech. They re ordered it and they.
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Speaker 3: Completely changed I didn't realize they flipped it.
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Speaker 9: They'd flipped it, like they completely changed the meaning. Right,
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Speaker 9: So that was really really bad, terrible journalism, and whoever
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Speaker 9: was responsible for that I think should be sacked.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, terrible journalism.
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Speaker 2: And if that's true of the BBC, is it not
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Speaker 2: equally true of the ABC.
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Speaker 1: Well, the ABC dared not go there.
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Speaker 2: They simply did not even raise it in that discussion,
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Speaker 2: but they did get defensive about public broadcasting adopting their
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Speaker 2: tactical position of playing victims to unfair attacks.
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Speaker 9: What I think is going on here is the BBC's
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Speaker 9: paying the price for being controversial, and this is something
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Speaker 9: that only public broadcasts broadcasts have to deal with that.
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Speaker 9: It's not about it's not that journalist sins. It's about
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Speaker 9: when you are the center of controversy, so that people
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Speaker 9: who are against your organization can beat you up. You
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Speaker 9: need to show you need to have a head role
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Speaker 9: in order to keep your funding.
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Speaker 1: That's how it works. Yes, no, that's not how it works.
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Speaker 2: You're more than a billion dollars for instance here in
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Speaker 2: Australia as an Australian tax player. That funding goes to
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Speaker 2: the ABC year after year, no matter what, no matter
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Speaker 2: how to if their journalism is that's how it works.
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Speaker 2: And terrible journalism is just terrible journalism, and bias is
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Speaker 2: biased and dodgy edits are dodgy edits. The facts matter.
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Speaker 2: Criticism is either true or not. It's warranted or it's unwarranted.
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Speaker 2: And the way to judge that is on the facts,
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Speaker 2: not by diverting into some postmodern post truth rumination on
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Speaker 2: the nature of controversy and public broadcasting what wankery.
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Speaker 9: It's the same with the ABC as well. Yes, they
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Speaker 9: are desperate to avoid controversy. I've been there for twenty
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Speaker 9: five years, You've been there for just as long.
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Speaker 8: Yeah.
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Speaker 9: Yeah, they don't like controversy. So when you say, if
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Speaker 9: you take it and.
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Speaker 10: We want to get it right, we won't get it right.
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Speaker 1: The reputation is really important.
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Speaker 9: But importantly even if we do get it right, for're
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Speaker 9: in the middle of controversy.
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Speaker 1: Yes we don't like it. Oh, give us a break.
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Speaker 1: Just get it right.
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Speaker 2: If you get it right, you can't be proven wrong
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Speaker 2: and you can weather any controversy. And when you refuse
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Speaker 2: to even consider a serious complaint about misleading journalism, then
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Speaker 2: you are a long way from getting it right and
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Speaker 2: a long way from even showing some sort of commitment
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Speaker 2: to accountability. Okay, so that's climate and energy policy covered
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Speaker 2: and ABC bias.
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Speaker 1: Let me now meld.
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Speaker 2: Them together and give you a little bit of an
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Speaker 2: insight into how the ABC is hard at work now
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Speaker 2: bolstering the Labor, Greens and Till position on climate and
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Speaker 2: energy and attacking the coalition. Have a listen to this
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Speaker 2: for your publicly funded, objective and fair political journalism.
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Speaker 11: Can I just describe where the Liberal Party has landed here?
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Speaker 11: Instead of making a decision on a mission's reduction and energy,
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Speaker 11: the Liberals have agreed to every request that has come
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Speaker 11: through the Liberal Party party room to some degree, have
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Speaker 11: landed with a grab bag of promises, many of them
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Speaker 11: completely contradicting each other. We're going to dump net zero
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Speaker 11: as a commitment. We're going to walk away from the
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Speaker 11: twenty thirty twenty third five to thirty five targets that
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Speaker 11: have been set, even though we're locked in under international treaty,
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Speaker 11: under agreement with Paris. But we're staying in Paris, but
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Speaker 11: we're ignoring Paris, so we're both dumping the policy and
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Speaker 11: staying in Paris. Everyone's trying to be accommodated, so they've
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Speaker 11: ended up with a nonsensical policy that doesn't actually make sense.
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Speaker 2: Wow, you paid for that jaundice and actually factually wrong analysis,
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Speaker 2: and you paid to have it spread far and wide
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Speaker 2: too on social media. This country is not locked into
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Speaker 2: targets under Paris. Our laws control our own policies and targets,
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Speaker 2: and the Paris Agreement can't force this country to do anything.
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Speaker 2: It's one of the reasons the whole artifice is such
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Speaker 2: a pointless joke. And he's more from the same publicly
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Speaker 2: funded post.
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Speaker 12: Why is this so damaging for Susan Lee Because in
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Speaker 12: my view, what I witnessed of this woman who said
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Speaker 12: she was bringing the party to the sensible center when
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Speaker 12: she got elected, capitulating as she has talking about you know,
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Speaker 12: net zero, it's all gone, and standing up and saying
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Speaker 12: that really created a vulnerability for her in a weird
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Speaker 12: kind of way, because she looks like she stands for nothing.
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Speaker 2: Why do all ABC journalists and presenters have the same
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Speaker 2: views on all her key issues? I mean, this stuff
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Speaker 2: is incredible, isn't it. They are supposed to be objective
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Speaker 2: and fair under the law, under the ABC Charter under
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Speaker 2: which they get taxpayers funds, and then they openly campaign
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Speaker 2: here for the Labor Greens and Till's position on climate
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Speaker 2: and energy, no matter how costly, ineffective and silly that
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Speaker 2: policy is. Now it is relevant, of course to ask
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Speaker 2: how the coalition policy would work and how it would
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Speaker 2: lower prices. But crucially, and even more importantly, we should
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Speaker 2: expect a bit of scrutiny on how the existing policies
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Speaker 2: of a government that's been in power for more than
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Speaker 2: three years and under whose policies prices have been skyrocketing
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Speaker 2: even though they promised to cut them significantly.
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Speaker 5: And the same way, there's no evidence that the Labor
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Speaker 5: Party's policies are going to bring down prices either.
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Speaker 6: Yeah, and we'll come to that, because it's you know,
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Speaker 6: legitimate concern that people have about power prices. But you
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Speaker 6: would think the coalition is going to need to show
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Speaker 6: how it's going to bring those prices down if that's
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Speaker 6: where it wants to fight.
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Speaker 13: So the question really for the coalition is in the
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Speaker 13: short term, how are you going to bring down prices?
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Speaker 13: Like what are you going to do to get the
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Speaker 13: narrowbriye gas into the market? What are you going to
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Speaker 13: do to extend the colified power stations we have beyond
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Speaker 13: their existing life to bring down power prices in the
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Speaker 13: short to medium term, And that kind of remains the question.
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Speaker 2: No, doesn't the question remain why the current policies aren't working.
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Speaker 2: Why can't the abc dare to ask why the renewables
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Speaker 2: transition is costing so much? And how what the government
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Speaker 2: sprooks as the cheapest power continues to push prices up
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Speaker 2: and reliability down. They focus on attacking the opposition relentlessly instead,
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Speaker 2: just like labor, the Greens and the Tills do, but
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Speaker 2: on insiders. They did eventually get around to the government.
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Speaker 6: Can this put pressure on the government? Should they be
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Speaker 6: worried here about an assault from the coalition aim at
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Speaker 6: linking net zero to your high power bills?
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Speaker 2: But it's just politics, isn't it. It's politics and politicking
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Speaker 2: all the time, that's all they care about. What about
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Speaker 2: the reality, What about the energy that is the lifeblood
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Speaker 2: of our economy. Mainstream Australians aren't so interested in the
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Speaker 2: political problems one way or the other for this party
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Speaker 2: or that.
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Speaker 1: What they're more interested in is a policy.
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Speaker 2: That can make the energy grid work and give us
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Speaker 2: the affordable and reliable power that we keep being promised.
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Speaker 2: This politically skewed version of the debate even infects the
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Speaker 2: ABC's straight news coverage.
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Speaker 13: The coalition has taken a huge gamble and it's asking
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Speaker 13: voters to take a leap of faith. Susan Lee won't
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Speaker 13: say when power bills would come down under her plan
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Speaker 13: or by how much, and she won't commit to setting
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Speaker 13: emissions reduction targets.
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Speaker 10: Until the coalition's in government.
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Speaker 13: Labor is vulnerable to attacks on rising electricity costs. The
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Speaker 13: question is whether Australians are convinced by the alternative plan.
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Speaker 1: Well, no, it's not.
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Speaker 2: The question is whether our energy is affordable and reliable.
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Speaker 1: That's the question.
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Speaker 2: The question is whether we are engaged in energy self
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Speaker 2: harm and if the government is spending billions of dollars
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Speaker 2: in subsidies to keep dirty coal fired power going because
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Speaker 2: the grid needs it. And if billions more in subsidies
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Speaker 2: is being paid to keep electricity bills down, I think
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Speaker 2: the answer is obvious. Is it asking too much of
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Speaker 2: our public broadcaster to actually address these facts? Now?
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Speaker 1: I want to bring you some breaking news from Victoria.
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Speaker 2: The Herald Sun is reporting that a delegation of senior
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Speaker 2: Victorian Liberals has told the opposition leader, Brad Batton.
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Speaker 1: That he should stand aside.
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Speaker 2: The Shadow Treasurer Jess Wilson, is understood to be the
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Speaker 2: front one to take the top job. It's expected there's
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Speaker 2: going to be a full leadership spill, including for mister
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Speaker 2: Batton's role and the deputy leader's role currently held Sam
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Speaker 2: growth Growth tomorrow morning before was tennis player Sam Groth.
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Speaker 2: Now that's a big development out of Victoria. I want
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Speaker 2: to go to the Nationals federal leader now, David Little Proud.
23:13
Speaker 1: He joins us from Devonport in Tasmania.
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Speaker 2: We got the Nationals leader in opposition has quit today
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Speaker 2: in New South Wales. Looks like Brad Baton could be
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Speaker 2: for the high jump in Victoria tomorrow.
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Speaker 1: And there's been all.
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Speaker 2: This leadership speculation over the past twenty four hours around
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Speaker 2: Susan Lee, David Little Proud, you must be wondering what
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Speaker 2: the hell's going on in the coalition when it comes
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Speaker 2: to leadership.
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Speaker 14: Well, I think what leadership is is that we take
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Speaker 14: an alternative policy this Trayan people, and we showed that,
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Speaker 14: yes saying I think that's what we should be focused on,
23:47
Speaker 14: articulating that Labour's nine trillion dollar that zero plan is
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Speaker 14: destroying this country. We have a cheaper, better fair way
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Speaker 14: to do it, and I think that's what we should
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Speaker 14: focus on. And obviously talk about leadership in the Liberal
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Speaker 14: Party doesn't help. Takes away the oxygen of exactly the
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Speaker 14: opportunity that we have to cast that die about exactly
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Speaker 14: what you've just articulated.
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Speaker 1: That things are cheaper.
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Speaker 14: The energy bills were promised to be cheaper, you are
24:17
Speaker 14: meant to have a greener energy grid. You haven't got
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Speaker 14: either of those. And there is a better way to
24:23
Speaker 14: do this and that's what we should be focused on.
24:25
Speaker 14: And while Google Saunders is a good made of mine,
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Speaker 14: obviously he wants to be with his family and it's
24:30
Speaker 14: obviously been very taxing on him and I wish him
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Speaker 14: all the best. The former new so Well's National's leader,
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Speaker 14: but he's made a decision predicating on his family more
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Speaker 14: than anything else.
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Speaker 1: So I wish him all the best in that.
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Speaker 14: But Chris, I think we've got an opportunity for the
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Speaker 14: next two and a half years to smash this government.
24:45
Speaker 14: The lived experience of what Australians are feeling, not just
24:47
Speaker 14: in their quarterly energy bills, but also what the good
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Speaker 14: people of Mount iSER, of tom Ago, of Port Piri
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Speaker 14: wayala a feeling is one that is not going to
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Speaker 14: go away. The fundamentals haven't changed, and I think that's
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Speaker 14: our opportunity. We've had the courage, We've got a coaching
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Speaker 14: argument which in just didn't say no. We've got a
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Speaker 14: pathway of showing how we're going to give more affordable
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Speaker 14: energy and to make sure that Australians can get once
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Speaker 14: again have hope. And that's what our focus should be
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Speaker 14: for the next two and a half years.
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Speaker 2: There's no doubt that's the political opportunity, but more importantly,
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Speaker 2: more saliently, it is exactly what this country needs.
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Speaker 1: And as you know, I talk about these issues.
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Speaker 2: Incessantly for the last decade or more in printing on
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Speaker 2: this program.
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Speaker 1: So I agree it's the right focus to have energies.
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Speaker 1: The lifeblood of.
25:35
Speaker 2: Our economy in so many ways needs to be reliable
25:38
Speaker 2: and affordable. But to what extent do you think that
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Speaker 2: the Nationals, your own party and the way you've conducted
25:43
Speaker 2: yourselves has hurt Susan Lee and is helping to lead
25:47
Speaker 2: to this leadership instability. And in your coalition partner, there's
25:51
Speaker 2: all this talk now that she's letting them become National's
25:55
Speaker 2: light because you guys got out ahead of them on
25:58
Speaker 2: this policy, and the Moderates fel like they're following the
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Speaker 2: Nats and they worried that some of the retoric from
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Speaker 2: some of your people, including your old mate Barnaby Joyce,
26:07
Speaker 2: goes a bit too far and does them a bit
26:09
Speaker 2: of harm in their electorate. To what extent do you
26:12
Speaker 2: recognize that as a friction in the coalition? And you
26:15
Speaker 2: need to try and make sure that you'll start singing
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Speaker 2: from the same hymn.
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Speaker 14: Sheet and Chris, what we've done has been very transparent
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Speaker 14: and telegraphed six months ago that we were going to
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Speaker 14: review our net zero policy as the Liberal Party was.
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Speaker 14: We made it very clear that we wanted to do
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Speaker 14: that before Christmas. We had always aimed to try and
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Speaker 14: get towards our federal Council to be able to align
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Speaker 14: with our membership and their values and their beliefs. We
26:44
Speaker 14: haven't hidden anythink We've made it very clear of the
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Speaker 14: trajectory we were on, and we made it clear that
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Speaker 14: when we did, we'd have that position and then we'd
26:52
Speaker 14: work in with the coalition to try and influence and
26:56
Speaker 14: get policy to where it needed to be. We came
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Speaker 14: back not just saying no to net zero. We came
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Speaker 14: back with an alternative policy that was cogent, that was
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Speaker 14: calmly considered, and I don't see anyone being able to
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Speaker 14: put a hole in it at the moment. So what
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Speaker 14: we took was a constructive way forward to the Liberal Party.
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Speaker 14: They had their own processes, but this wasn't something that
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Speaker 14: was thrust upon the Liberal Party. We knew that it
27:18
Speaker 14: was coming. We made it very clear, and I think
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Speaker 14: we've been very constructive all the way through.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I must admit I heard a liberal today just
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Speaker 2: quietly talking me through this. Pretty frustrated that they followed you,
27:29
Speaker 2: but they said that you had the best work done
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Speaker 2: on this.
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Speaker 1: You did the best work, and you've got it done quickly.
27:34
Speaker 2: So they've only got themselves to blame, but let's see
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Speaker 2: where it all goes from here. Thanks for joining us, David,
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Speaker 2: I appreciate it. David Little Proud, the other leader of
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Speaker 2: the Nationals federally. Look, there's some good news for you tonight.
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Speaker 2: That is Chris Bowen is not in this country stuffing
27:48
Speaker 2: up our energy grid. But the bad news is he's
27:51
Speaker 2: in Brazil trying to spend more of your money on
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Speaker 2: United Nations climate dreams.
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Speaker 1: Here's what he said before he left the airport on
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Speaker 1: the weekend.
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Speaker 15: Well, thanks for coming out everyone. Obviously, I'm about to
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Speaker 15: leave for cop for the conference of the Party's thirty
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Speaker 15: here in Brazil, where the rest of the world understands
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Speaker 15: that renewables are the cheapest form of energy.
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Speaker 2: There he goes the rest of the world that it
28:13
Speaker 2: is this dream apparently Australia other lagos. I want to
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Speaker 2: talk about this COP thirty event that Bowen is at,
28:20
Speaker 2: and more importantly his bid to try and have Australia
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Speaker 2: host it next year. I'm joined by University of New
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Speaker 2: South Wales economics professor Gigi Foster. Thanks for joining as again, Jiuji,
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Speaker 2: I thought it made a lot of sense to talk
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Speaker 2: to you about this because we often talk to you
28:34
Speaker 2: about the problem of government spending and how we do
28:37
Speaker 2: have government, state and federal spending way too much, and
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Speaker 2: how it's going to hurt us all for not the
28:43
Speaker 2: here and now, but for future generations as well. That
28:46
Speaker 2: is two billion dollars to host a UN conference in
28:49
Speaker 2: Adelaide next year fit into those priorities when it comes
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Speaker 2: to government spending.
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Speaker 16: It doesn't really rank on my priority list, Chris, and
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Speaker 16: I don't think it would rank on the priority list
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Speaker 16: most every day Australians. Typically the tool that we use
29:02
Speaker 16: to evaluate government policy decisions, as you know, is cost
29:06
Speaker 16: benefit analysis. You look at how much costs and you
29:08
Speaker 16: look at how much it's going to benefit the Australian people.
29:11
Speaker 16: So if I look at what cop top thirty, the
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Speaker 16: one right now happening in Brazil, is aiming to achieve.
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Speaker 16: I looked this up before the show. It's basically this
29:19
Speaker 16: vague collection of more virtue signaling. It's more climate action,
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Speaker 16: whatever that means, it's more finance for climate stuff, whatever
29:29
Speaker 16: that means. It's not specific, it's not linked to the
29:32
Speaker 16: priorities of any given people, much less Australia's people. So
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Speaker 16: I don't see the justification for it in traditional economic terms.
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Speaker 16: I mean, you'd think about doing that kind of analysis
29:42
Speaker 16: for let's say a bid to house the Commonwealth Games
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Speaker 16: or the Olympics, and you'd struggle, but you'd come up
29:48
Speaker 16: with some estimates of benefit.
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Speaker 10: Nobody's even trying.
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Speaker 17: To do that.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's alludicrous.
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Speaker 2: Chris Bond before you left, actually had a bit decide
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Speaker 2: about how much has been spent already.
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Speaker 15: Well, we'll spend seven million dollars so far on the
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Speaker 15: preparation for Top thirty one.
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Speaker 1: Should we host it?
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Speaker 2: There you go seven million just to put sending out
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Speaker 2: some flyers or whatever. Penny Wong yesterday refused to talk
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Speaker 2: about the spending that campaign for the event with our money,
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Speaker 2: yet refuse to tell us what they're hoping to spend
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Speaker 2: on it now. Some of the estimates are just over
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Speaker 2: a billion, others go closer to two billion. Have you
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Speaker 2: got any idea what you would spend more than a
30:26
Speaker 2: thousand million dollars on to host a conference? Are they
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Speaker 2: going to be building airplanes to fly everyone out here?
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Speaker 1: Look?
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Speaker 16: I mean, having been a conference organizer over the last
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Speaker 16: few years, many many times, including for one this coming
30:38
Speaker 16: weekend at UNSW I will tell you that catering has
30:41
Speaker 16: gone up in price over the last few years. But honestly,
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Speaker 16: I don't know what they would be doing. I could,
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Speaker 16: I would say if they really wanted to do something
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Speaker 16: important for Australia. And I know that this is not
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Speaker 16: what Chris is going to do. What Chris Bowen will do,
30:54
Speaker 16: but he could say, right we're going to focus on climate.
30:57
Speaker 16: We're going to basically tell it like it is.
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Speaker 1: We're going to.
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Speaker 16: Say what we need to do is think about adaptation.
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Speaker 16: We need to think about costs and benefits on every
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Speaker 16: different policy dimension on which we could take a move,
31:07
Speaker 16: and we're going to always consider what is best for Australia.
31:10
Speaker 16: We're going to consider other things like soil management, land management,
31:14
Speaker 16: not just cow methane, you know, things like that that
31:18
Speaker 16: just are such a tiny fraction of anything going on.
31:20
Speaker 16: They could really advance the agenda and put some sanity
31:23
Speaker 16: back in, but I don't think that that's what's gonna.
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Speaker 1: Be the results. He won't be doing that wishful thinking.
31:29
Speaker 2: And I am speaking of that conference you're hosting on
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Speaker 2: the weekend. I'll get organized and give it a plug
31:33
Speaker 2: later in the week.
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Speaker 1: Thanks for joining us.
31:34
Speaker 2: Gggg Foster there from the University of New South Wales.
31:38
Speaker 2: We've got to get to a break on the other side,
31:39
Speaker 2: and going to talk more about the ABC and their
31:42
Speaker 2: failure to investigate this dodgy editing of US President Donald Trump.
31:46
Speaker 1: Claire Lehmann joins me.
31:47
Speaker 2: Next, don't forget We've got Gemma and Caroline coming up
31:53
Speaker 2: later in the program.
31:54
Speaker 1: Also, we'll cross live to.
31:55
Speaker 2: The UK and catch up with Sophiel's Worth where there's
31:58
Speaker 2: a lot happening there, including when it comes to legal immigration.
32:01
Speaker 2: But I want to get back to this issue of
32:03
Speaker 2: the ABC and the BBC and the dishonest editing of
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Speaker 2: that Donald Trump's speech on January the sixth, twenty twenty.
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Speaker 1: One, and there was a great column on this in
32:12
Speaker 1: this Morning's.
32:12
Speaker 2: Australian written by Claire Lehman, the founding editor of Collette
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Speaker 2: and Claire joins me on set.
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Speaker 1: Great to talk to you again, Claire. I could fairly
32:22
Speaker 1: describe you as a friend of.
32:24
Speaker 2: The ABC and where they still ask you one of
32:25
Speaker 2: their programs occasionally. Yeah, you're not that bashi and grab
32:30
Speaker 2: ABC critic.
32:31
Speaker 1: That I am that I am. You're much more nuanced,
32:34
Speaker 1: I suppose is the way they would put it.
32:36
Speaker 2: What is it that troubles you about the way the
32:38
Speaker 2: BBC and the ABC of behave when it comes to
32:41
Speaker 2: Trump's speech and the way it was edited.
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Speaker 17: I think the problem that the BBC as well as
32:47
Speaker 17: our ABC have is putting narrative before facts. And we
32:53
Speaker 17: published this really great article in Collette over the weekend
32:56
Speaker 17: by a BBC journalist and he traces this shift in
33:01
Speaker 17: approach way back well, he identifies it as it really
33:06
Speaker 17: occurring in the nineteen nineties where boomer journalist sort of
33:09
Speaker 17: took the helm and had an approach to journalism that
33:14
Speaker 17: put the narrative first, and so stories were written in
33:17
Speaker 17: the news like in the offices, and then journalists and
33:21
Speaker 17: reporters would go out and you know, read the scripts
33:25
Speaker 17: that they were given from the office. And that's an
33:27
Speaker 17: inversion of the old model of journalism, which was much
33:31
Speaker 17: more scientific in nature, where you didn't have an answer
33:34
Speaker 17: to the question. You went out and discovered the facts,
33:37
Speaker 17: You had an open mind and discovered you reported on
33:42
Speaker 17: what you discovered, and so I think it's when the
33:45
Speaker 17: narrative is put before facts that's when these institutions break down.
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Speaker 1: I think it's a great way to clarify this issue.
33:53
Speaker 2: I think it's very insightful as something that I've noticed
33:55
Speaker 2: over my thirty forty years in journalism and politics, and
33:59
Speaker 2: that is exactly it that they're too often now we're
34:01
Speaker 2: seeing people choose the narrative and then they'll use.
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Speaker 1: The facts or the clips that suit.
34:06
Speaker 2: That narrative, rather than being confined by the reality and
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Speaker 2: fair dealing with the facts.
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Speaker 1: So let's just remind people of that edit that the
34:14
Speaker 1: BBC has been criticized for.
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Speaker 7: We're going to walk down to the capital and I'll
34:21
Speaker 7: be there with you, and we fight. We fight like hell.
34:25
Speaker 1: We're going to walk.
34:26
Speaker 7: Down to the capital and we're going to cheer on
34:33
Speaker 7: our brave senators and congressmen and women.
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Speaker 1: Clear, it's so dishonest.
34:39
Speaker 2: And my point here is that I've been very critical
34:41
Speaker 2: of Donald Trump and about the fact that he hasn't
34:43
Speaker 2: offered that loser's consent that's crucial in democracy, and therefore
34:47
Speaker 2: he fueled anger in the US. But to manipulate the
34:51
Speaker 2: words like that to try and create a direct urging
34:54
Speaker 2: of violence is just straightforward dishonest. You don't have to
34:57
Speaker 2: read any journalism Code of Ethics or any legal descriptors
35:01
Speaker 2: it's just not fair dealing.
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Speaker 17: Oh, it's absolutely journalistic malpractice. And I was shocked when
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Speaker 17: I saw that speech. And our ABC does this on
35:11
Speaker 17: some other issues. In my column today, I talked about
35:15
Speaker 17: gender medicine as one area where there are verifiable facts
35:19
Speaker 17: that easily found by anyone with access to Google. You
35:22
Speaker 17: can look up the CAST review and the UK a
35:24
Speaker 17: review by an eminent pediatrician which led to puberty blockers
35:28
Speaker 17: being banned for children outside of clinical trials. It hasn't
35:32
Speaker 17: been reported on at the ABC. Now this is an
35:35
Speaker 17: important development in that whole issue. You can't find any
35:39
Speaker 17: news about it on the ABC, and so they selectively
35:43
Speaker 17: ignore and omit facts.
35:46
Speaker 1: I would argue you get the same inclimate and energy reporting.
35:48
Speaker 2: They downplay, for instance, the Iberian Peninsula blackouts and the
35:52
Speaker 2: mismanagement of their energy system. They downplay the second thoughts
35:57
Speaker 2: that we're hearing from people like Bill Gates or To Blair.
36:00
Speaker 1: When it comes to energy policy.
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Speaker 17: Yes, any time there's a sort of a contentious issue
36:06
Speaker 17: or a polarized issue, the bias goes one way. On
36:10
Speaker 17: topics where there isn't much polarization and there's not a
36:14
Speaker 17: partisan disagreement, they're quite fair and impartial, I find. But
36:18
Speaker 17: when it comes to gender medicine, biological males, in women's
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Speaker 17: sport climate, the bias only ever goes one way.
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Speaker 1: How do we fix it?
36:28
Speaker 5: Invite me.
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Speaker 2: The next chairman of the ABC, Chair of the ABC,
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Speaker 2: that would be wonderful.
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Speaker 17: I think having more dissenting voices and more critics brought
36:38
Speaker 17: into the fold would be a good start.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a great start, diversity in those opinion programs.
36:44
Speaker 2: Thanks for joining us, Clear, I appreciate it. Clear leaving
36:46
Speaker 2: their founding editor of Collette. Have a look around for
36:50
Speaker 2: Collette Online for a lot of fascinating long form journalism.
36:55
Speaker 1: Now still to come.
36:56
Speaker 2: After the break, we're going to go talk about UK
36:58
Speaker 2: labor and their problems with illegal migration. Well across to
37:06
Speaker 2: News Corp Europe correspondent Sky News contributed Sophiel's worth in
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Speaker 2: London in just a moment.
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Speaker 1: But first let's get some background on this.
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Speaker 2: Because the UK is overhauling it to asylum seekert policy.
37:18
Speaker 2: It's forcing refugees now to wait twenty years before they
37:21
Speaker 2: can apply to settle permanently.
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Speaker 1: He is the UK's Home Secretary.
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Speaker 18: This is a moral mission for me because I can
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Speaker 18: see illegal migration is tearing our country apart. It is
37:31
Speaker 18: dividing communities. People can see huge pressure in their communities
37:35
Speaker 18: and they can also see a system that is broken.
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Speaker 1: Let's go to Sophiel's Worth now live in London. Good
37:41
Speaker 1: to talk to you again, Sophie.
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Speaker 2: This is some sort of a turnaround, isn't it from
37:44
Speaker 2: this labor government.
37:46
Speaker 1: They've been in denial about this for so long.
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Speaker 10: Yeah, great to be with you, Chris.
37:52
Speaker 19: Look, they have indeed been in denial about this, that
37:55
Speaker 19: they cannot be in denial any longer because this is
37:58
Speaker 19: perhaps the hottest issue here in the UK now is
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Speaker 19: the arrival of illegal migrants and Chris, there's been thirty
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Speaker 19: nine thousand so far this year, and so shabannahm Mood,
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Speaker 19: the Home Secretary, is set to announce a raft of
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Speaker 19: changes today, including that Some of the changes include that
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Speaker 19: you'll only be able to have your refugee status temporarily
38:21
Speaker 19: obtained and that your refugee status will be reviewed every
38:26
Speaker 19: thirty months. She's also clamping down on countries who won't
38:30
Speaker 19: take back the illegal migrants. So there's a series of
38:33
Speaker 19: changes where they want to show that they're getting tough here.
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Speaker 19: Chris and This is really a direct result of Nigel Farage,
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Speaker 19: the Reform UK leader, putting immense pressure on the government
38:45
Speaker 19: over this issue, which has seen them so in the polls.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, indeed Faras has changed everything, hasn't it because he's
38:51
Speaker 2: actually ventilated these issues. I want to go to the
38:54
Speaker 2: BBC and Trump and the threats of legal action. I've
38:57
Speaker 2: been talking a bit about this issue in the program already,
39:00
Speaker 2: but in terms of the BBC, they're heading back at
39:03
Speaker 2: the legal threats.
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Speaker 19: They are indeed, Chris, look, they're saying they they've made
39:10
Speaker 19: the apology to President Trump, but they won't be paying
39:13
Speaker 19: any compensation.
39:14
Speaker 10: Now.
39:15
Speaker 19: I've spoken to several legal experts here in the UK.
39:19
Speaker 19: There's been a lot of commentary around this, so basically
39:22
Speaker 19: saying that he's not entitled to these five billion dollars
39:25
Speaker 19: in damages because the documentary never aired in the US,
39:30
Speaker 19: it was GEO blocked and there wasn't significant harm caused
39:34
Speaker 19: to him.
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Speaker 10: But look, Chris, this is really hurt the BBC.
39:37
Speaker 19: They've lost their director General, Tim Davey, the head of
39:41
Speaker 19: News Deborah Tennesse, and they're a broadcaster under siege at
39:45
Speaker 19: the moment, and just this week also there's a new
39:49
Speaker 19: book out, Diana Rama, which looks at that Panorama interview,
39:53
Speaker 19: that interview that was obtained deceitfully by Martin Basheer. So
39:58
Speaker 19: the scandals surrounding the BBC, Chris, they're just not subsiding here.
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Speaker 5: Yeah.
40:04
Speaker 2: Also, the scandal around former Prince Andrew is not going
40:07
Speaker 2: away either. And there's been another Epstein email come to light.
40:12
Speaker 2: It centers around Davos, that great annual gathering in Switzerland
40:16
Speaker 2: of the globalist elite. And Andrew was there apparently, and
40:20
Speaker 2: Epstein was recommending him for fun times.
40:24
Speaker 1: He was.
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Speaker 19: Indeed, Chris, he was saying to one of his charms,
40:28
Speaker 19: Epstein was saying, you must meet the former Prince Andrew.
40:32
Speaker 10: He's a great he's great fun.
40:33
Speaker 19: And they ended up meeting and the friend said as much,
40:36
Speaker 19: that is great fun. I mean, these Epstein files is
40:39
Speaker 19: just more and more coming out of them. But again,
40:42
Speaker 19: this is another issue here in the UK that is
40:44
Speaker 19: really hurting.
40:45
Speaker 10: The royal family, Chris.
40:47
Speaker 19: And we know that Andrew mount Batton winds Or is
40:50
Speaker 19: hiding away now we won't see him from public for
40:53
Speaker 19: a long time. This is something that King Charles is
40:56
Speaker 19: deeply unhappy about.
40:58
Speaker 1: Yeah, he would be very very upset about that.
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Speaker 2: Thankfully his mother didn't get to see all this unfold,
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Speaker 2: I suppose. Thanks for joining us, Sophie. Fantastic as ever, Sophie's.
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Speaker 1: With their live in the early morning dark there in London.
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Speaker 2: Prince Andrew, former Prince Andrew, you won't be seeing him
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Speaker 2: in public for quite some time now. Stick around because
41:17
Speaker 2: after the break we've got Jemberton Uni and Carol andres
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Speaker 2: So we'll talk about plenty, including why the Prime Minister
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Speaker 2: should give up this sort of dancing. Okay, world's going crazy.
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Speaker 2: Here as where we sort it out with gemmaton Uini
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Speaker 2: on the desk read ready from GT Communications and Sky
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Speaker 2: News contributor carolinderus So joins us from Perth.
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Speaker 1: And it's good to know that the.
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Speaker 2: Coalition parties are sorting themselves out around the country.
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Speaker 1: Carrow, We've got to Susan Lee dealing with leadership speculation.
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Speaker 2: We've got the net's leader in the New South Wales
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Speaker 2: opposition putting today Doogal Saunders and now Brad Baton apparently
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Speaker 2: is for the high jump tomorrow. Has not been opposition
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Speaker 2: leader for a year yet. In Victoria, why do they
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Speaker 2: want to knock him off now, and.
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Speaker 20: We had the act opposition leader last week, so of course,
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Speaker 20: so we're not We're not done yet.
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Speaker 1: We're not done yet.
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Speaker 20: Look, I'm not really sure, and particularly given he's leading
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Speaker 20: in the polls as preferred premiere, I think I'll find
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Speaker 20: that an unusual state of affairs. But it is Victoria
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Speaker 20: and the rest of us shouldn't pretend to understand it.
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Speaker 20: And I just think as probably best that well, I mean,
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Speaker 20: the fact that the matter is is in Victoria. They
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Speaker 20: have just got such so much ammunition, so many issues
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Speaker 20: in relation to the Allen government, you know, it should
42:45
Speaker 20: be like shooting fish in a barrel.
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Speaker 10: So yeah, I would really.
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Speaker 20: Like them to be focusing on the policy issues. And
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Speaker 20: like you noted, in relation to the federal team, still
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Speaker 20: all those that bit of chattering going on there, it's
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Speaker 20: all very the community just doesn't really care in the
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Speaker 20: real worlds doing other things. You've just released an energy policy,
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Speaker 20: go and sell it.
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Speaker 1: Absolutely.
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Speaker 20: I would like to see liberal oppositions and governments around
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Speaker 20: the country to be holding governments to account or doing
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Speaker 20: their job if they are a government, or selling policy
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Speaker 20: leading into the end of the year, because that I
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Speaker 20: think you always want to finish on a high.
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Speaker 2: We always laugh about it, Jemma, but it's so important
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Speaker 2: that you're letting people down when you do this stuff.
43:31
Speaker 2: And sure, you know everyone's looking for the glorious leader
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Speaker 2: who's going to lead them to the promised Land. But
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Speaker 2: in the end, you've got to go with the leadership
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Speaker 2: you've got. You've got to show some solidarity and actually
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Speaker 2: focus on the job.
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Speaker 21: There's so much at play here. I'm infurious agreement obviously
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Speaker 21: with my friend who's constrained by the tithes of having
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Speaker 21: the holding office in the Liberal Party. I am thankfully
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Speaker 21: not so constrained, so can speak more freely. And I
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Speaker 21: just think their heads are so far up their backsides
43:57
Speaker 21: that they can't see daylight, and they've lost connect with
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Speaker 21: people like me, who's a conviction voter, I suppose, but
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Speaker 21: I look at them and go, your egotistical These people
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Speaker 21: who are talking about challenges, it's not actually about you.
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Speaker 21: It's actually not about you. It is about the rest
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Speaker 21: of us who are in the real economy. Whether we
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Speaker 21: work in business like I do, or we work in government,
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Speaker 21: or we work in teaching or whatever healthcare sector.
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Speaker 8: There is a conger.
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Speaker 21: Line of manure sandwiches. That is heading for the Australian
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Speaker 21: broader community in terms of inflation, cost of living, stagnation, growth, stagnation,
44:33
Speaker 21: in terms.
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Speaker 8: Of wages, all of those things.
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Speaker 21: I read something today about for those of you who
44:37
Speaker 21: send their kids to private schools, the fees are going
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Speaker 21: to outstrip the rape of I think it was worse
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Speaker 21: than inflation or.
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Speaker 10: Something like that.
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Speaker 21: But my point is they are so self obsessed that
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Speaker 21: they have lost connection with who they're here to serve.
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Speaker 21: That's you and me. But also in addition to that,
44:55
Speaker 21: like put purpose over preference. Leadership is purpose over preference.
44:58
Speaker 21: And if they can't give Susan Lee and I'm currently
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Speaker 21: not a massive fan, I think she's underperformed. I think
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Speaker 21: she needs to lift, but she's been there thirty seconds.
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Speaker 21: People seem to forget how deeply, deeply unpopular John Howard
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Speaker 21: was Lazarus with a triple bypass. We've got short memories
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Speaker 21: in this country to our detriment, and meanwhile we've got
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Speaker 21: a Prime minister who's dancing to Taylor Swift like he's
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Speaker 21: doing some bloody victory lab Yeah.
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Speaker 2: I mean concentrating your task on your responsibilities and fulfilling
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Speaker 2: them and the leadership that may be made of broken price.
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Speaker 21: There's a price to it, right, and perhaps my message
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Speaker 21: to Jess Wilson, who I don't know for the record,
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Speaker 21: is maybe the price of leadership for the Victorian Liberals
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Speaker 21: is people like her waiting a bloody term.
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Speaker 1: Exactly get some runs on the board.
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Speaker 2: I'll come to that dancing in a moment, but first up,
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Speaker 2: I want to go to the Prime Minister on Melbourne
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Speaker 2: Radio this morning, because this gets to the fact that, yeah,
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Speaker 2: he's got an opposition that's been in the shambles, but boy,
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Speaker 2: isn't it going.
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Speaker 1: To his head? Isn't he showing just a little bit
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Speaker 1: of hubris?
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Speaker 4: If the Hawks are playing anyone, I won't alienate any.
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Speaker 20: Particular team, but anyone at all.
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Speaker 4: And where ten goals up at halftime, I'm the sort
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Speaker 4: of guy who wants us to win by twenty goals
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Speaker 4: to be cloaked.
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Speaker 2: He's talking about his beloved Hawthorne footy club, how he
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Speaker 2: became a Hawks family.
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Speaker 1: I don't really know, Caroline, but.
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Speaker 2: He thinks he's ten goals up at halftime and he's
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Speaker 2: going to win by twenty. He's ripe for the picking,
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Speaker 2: isn't he as a hubristic leader who's done nothing.
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Speaker 20: And we don't really like that in this country, right, Like,
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Speaker 20: it's not something that we go, oh, isn't that amazing.
46:38
Speaker 20: We look at it and we go.
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Speaker 1: Bah, yeah, don't love it. Don't love it at all.
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Speaker 20: He might be up in the sense of number of seats,
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Speaker 20: but if you actually look at what this government is
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Speaker 20: producing and how they got to that number of seats,
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Speaker 20: I suppose I think he'd probably want to be careful.
46:55
Speaker 20: I'm not sure that people necessarily love him as much
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Speaker 20: as he thinks that they do. And that's obviously, as
47:03
Speaker 20: a leader, not a great position to get into. And
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Speaker 20: I'd like to hope that he has got some people
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Speaker 20: in his office who, you know, at.
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Speaker 10: Least keep him grounded.
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Speaker 20: Yeah, absolutely, because the problem is is when everyone is
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Speaker 20: telling you you're wonderful all the time and you are,
47:20
Speaker 20: in a sense, you know, holding quite a number of seats,
47:23
Speaker 20: the fall can be spectacular. And actually there was a
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Speaker 20: piece in the Age today I read the Age. Oh
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Speaker 20: my god, that's quite the that's quite the disclos disclosure
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Speaker 20: for television, a piece by Sean Apologies. I can't remember
47:38
Speaker 20: the journal surname, but very very interesting. Actually talking about
47:42
Speaker 20: how Hubris could become an issue for the Prime minister.
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Speaker 20: And we are they talking about that in the age
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Speaker 20: We should all be listening.
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Speaker 1: We should indeed, and you picked a bad night to wear.
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Speaker 1: You have Hawthorne blows too, by the way.
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Speaker 2: And as Jemma was saying, there's a bit of dancing,
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Speaker 2: I think it was in the same radio with you.
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Speaker 1: But have a look at this. I don't know. Now,
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Speaker 1: you don't want to be a kill George, Emma, but
48:19
Speaker 1: when people.
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Speaker 2: Are really angry, people are really hurting in this country
48:23
Speaker 2: with their power bills and the like.
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Speaker 1: This blood's just enjoying himself.
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Speaker 2: I think it.
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Speaker 21: Would be different if the country was prospering going forward,
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Speaker 21: was not shattered by social discord, that there weren't significant
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Speaker 21: ongoing security threats, that one in ten applicants for orchest
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Speaker 21: jobs wasn't suspected to have ties to unfriendly agents, if
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Speaker 21: the economy was firing, if inflation wasn't going like all
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Speaker 21: of these things.
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Speaker 3: He's carrying on as.
48:54
Speaker 21: If everything is tickety boo, and he's doing a victory
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Speaker 21: lap around his own greatness and your success. It's just,
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Speaker 21: you know, if you're looking, if you're living hand to
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Speaker 21: mouth and I noticed, you know, related to this conversation.
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Speaker 21: I noticed when the Coalition announced that they were dumping
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Speaker 21: net zero. And finally some media are asking the Prime
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Speaker 21: Minister and his cabinet when will power prices come down?
49:17
Speaker 21: And of course they can't answer it because they won't
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Speaker 21: like this stuff is just it's just a waste of
49:24
Speaker 21: time and it's an insult to the Australian public. But
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Speaker 21: we voted him. I didn't. You voted him in, but
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Speaker 21: someone voted him in. And don't winge to me because
49:33
Speaker 21: I didn't vote for him. But you find out the
49:35
Speaker 21: hard way.
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Speaker 1: Find out the hard way.
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Speaker 2: It all might come crashing down with him when people
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Speaker 2: pay attention. Thanks for joining us, Jim and Caroline appreciate it.
49:41
Speaker 2: Catch up with you next Monday. Just a bit of
49:43
Speaker 2: time to squeeze in some of your feedback to what
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Speaker 2: I had to say last week about the Coalition finally
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Speaker 2: deciding to ditch net zero by twenty fifty One viewer says,
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Speaker 2: finally a point of difference to vote for, and someone
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Speaker 2: else says took him long enough. Yeah, they took their time.
49:58
Speaker 2: Jonathan says, I don't deserve cheap energy. We require it
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Speaker 2: absolutely is it a fundamental and someone else says, if
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Speaker 2: their lips are moving, if their lips are moving, it
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Speaker 2: is a lie. Actions, not words. Remove Australia from the
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Speaker 2: Paris Agreement. Only then can there be truth in this tale.
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Speaker 2: We'll have more on all this tomorrow night, and plenty more.
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Speaker 2: Here's Peter Kredlin.