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JFK ASSASSINATION - EP. 317 - Maybe Carmine... Maybe Not · The Lone Gunman Podcast : JFK Assassination

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  Speaker 3: What's up everybody? Welcome to episode number three hundred and
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  Speaker 3: seventeen the Luma Podcast, and I'm here with my lovely
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  Speaker 3: cost Handsome Joe Barelli, and our guest of the evening,
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  Speaker 3: the esteemed proprietor of Two Princes and a King as
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  Speaker 3: t pac dot com, where you can find all things Carmine,
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  Speaker 3: his blog, articles, links to his books, and a whole
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  Speaker 3: lot of knowledge there. So welcome Carmine back to the show. Buddy,
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  Speaker 3: what's happening?
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  Speaker 1: Thanks Rob, I appreciate it. I'm doing okay. It's good
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  Speaker 1: to be back, see you and Joe again. Yes, a
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  Speaker 1: lots happened since last time, but you know, I mean,
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  Speaker 1: I still remember last time. We weren't even going to
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  Speaker 1: talk about what we were supposed to last time because
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  Speaker 1: of the first attack that we'll be going into later. Yep,
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  Speaker 1: it's been a full year as far as I'm I mean,
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  Speaker 1: you know, I'm more than welcome what you guys think
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  Speaker 1: of it, But I'm shocked that the amount of people
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  Speaker 1: who aren't talking about it.
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  Speaker 3: It's been a lot of quiet people. I mean, it
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  Speaker 3: seems like it's just well, you know, the media is
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  Speaker 3: controlled by the left.
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  Speaker 1: So or she had no the public. I totally understand
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  Speaker 1: whatever's quiet, But I mean the you know, the corporate
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  Speaker 1: media and either yeah, you know, like they're going to
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  Speaker 1: talk about their you know, they want to hit all
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  Speaker 1: their talking points. But I'm just surprised in as far
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  Speaker 1: as the research community, how many people aren't looking at
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  Speaker 1: anything or talking about anything.
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  Speaker 3: Well, the people that I think, the people that are
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  Speaker 3: looking at it are the part of the cuckoo crazy committee,
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  Speaker 3: if you know what I'm saying, like the tinfoil hat people. Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: I mean there there has been some decent I've seen
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  Speaker 3: a couple of podcasts about it, like, uh, Danny Jones
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  Speaker 3: had a good one on it. Uh we had like
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  Speaker 3: a former secret service on there talking about it. But yeah,
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  Speaker 3: you're right, not a lot of alternative media covers, not
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  Speaker 3: a lot of corporate media coverage. It just seems like
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  Speaker 3: it's been swept on the rug, forgotten about and move on,
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  Speaker 3: you know.
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  Speaker 1: But yeah, I agree with that, and we'll get into
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  Speaker 1: it later. But I think I think it's part of
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  Speaker 1: a bigger part of a bigger issue and a bigger
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  Speaker 1: pattern that a lot of people just don't want either
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  Speaker 1: don't realize is occurring, or don't want to discuss because
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  Speaker 1: there's no good answers, there's no easy answers.
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  Speaker 3: Yes, I totally agree with you, And like, like we
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  Speaker 3: talked about before the show, you know, it does kind
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  Speaker 3: of mirror some things that we were very familiar with,
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  Speaker 3: so oh yeah, oh yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, the well just even as I think we discuss
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  Speaker 1: a little bit last show, but it was just amazing
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  Speaker 1: and it still is to see the a alternate version
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  Speaker 1: of the JFK story in real time, so in you know,
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  Speaker 1: we were not around for the original when JFK was assassinated,
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  Speaker 1: but from all the books I've read, from all the
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  Speaker 1: material I've looked over, from all the evidence, people reacted
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  Speaker 1: almost exactly the same. You know, conspiracies began, real investigation began,
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  Speaker 1: and but it just played out. You know, you could
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  Speaker 1: hear the same conspiracies that you heard of daily Plaza,
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  Speaker 1: just remolded for the modern.
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  Speaker 3: Age, and as the days went by, you heard more
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  Speaker 3: and more bits and pieces drizzling out. You know, like
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  Speaker 3: like you know, when nine to eleven happened. You know,
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  Speaker 3: you kept hearing these things drizzle out, and you know,
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  Speaker 3: I'm sure you know, with time, it's like with anything,
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  Speaker 3: you know, I think you know, once once he gets
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  Speaker 3: in there, I mean, he said he was going to
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  Speaker 3: set up like an assassinations committee to look into a
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  Speaker 3: lot of this stuff, because I'm sure he wants to
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  Speaker 3: know the truth about his own almost death, you know
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  Speaker 3: what I mean, at least I would want to know.
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  Speaker 3: And hopefully he sticks with what he said he was
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  Speaker 3: going to do, uh and release all the files and
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  Speaker 3: be done with this ship once and for all. But
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  Speaker 3: we had this guy, card Mine on the show last
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  Speaker 3: week that that wrote a book called The Four Guns
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  Speaker 3: and where you kind of looked at the famous guns
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  Speaker 3: of history of the presidential assassinations that have occurred, and
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  Speaker 3: you know, the one common thread between the you know,
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  Speaker 3: the assassin of Garfield, McKinley, Lincoln. You know, these are
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  Speaker 3: all guys that basically were caught red handed. Basically we're
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  Speaker 3: proud of what they had done and exclaimed.
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  Speaker 6: It and we're stalking the victims for significant amount time
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  Speaker 6: too and all real.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, the things were planned. You know, it was
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  Speaker 3: like a planned assassination. So and of course they were
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  Speaker 3: using pistols, so you had to get close until we
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  Speaker 3: get to Lee Harvey Oswald, the only assassin that used
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  Speaker 3: a rifle, the only assassin that did not.
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  Speaker 1: The first assassin because now we have crooks.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, so, leader, let's say I didn't do it. But
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  Speaker 3: Oswald proclaimed his innocence. You know, it wasn't something he
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  Speaker 3: was proud of if he did it. You know, normally
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  Speaker 3: an assassin would take credit for well anything like that
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  Speaker 3: and explain why he did it. You know, I did
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  Speaker 3: it because it was a comedy song, a bit, or
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  Speaker 3: whatever the excuse is.
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  Speaker 6: You know.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, no, I utterly agree. If one of the things
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  Speaker 1: that people might be interested in if they go to
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  Speaker 1: my website, is I have on the front page. I
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  Speaker 1: believe I have a link to one of the articles
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  Speaker 1: I wrote called the Lee Harvey Oswell Timeline method I
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  Speaker 1: presented at Lancer years back. But essentially, the problem, in
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  Speaker 1: my opinion, something the Warrant Commission did not understand, and
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  Speaker 1: the problem with the entire Oswald story is if he
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  Speaker 1: did it alone, he can only know as soon as
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  Speaker 1: the media let him know, and the media didn't tell
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  Speaker 1: everybody until the seventeenth. Good luck, you've got to come
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  Speaker 1: up with a motive undertake everything you're doing while going
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  Speaker 1: to work every day, while sleeping every day, while under
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  Speaker 1: the sight of people every day, and no practice. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: if that's the story you'd like to stick with, good
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  Speaker 1: luck to you. But I don't think it would hold
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  Speaker 1: up in court, no matter what court, whether you want
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  Speaker 1: to go civil or you want to go criminal. I
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  Speaker 1: don't think that case is going to make it in court.
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  Speaker 1: And that's what the commission didn't understand, is that if
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  Speaker 1: he did it alone, he doesn't have the time. So exactly, Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: that's the crux they're in and they don't want to
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  Speaker 1: they and like I've discussed with you guys before privately,
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  Speaker 1: I think the real is they don't know, and it
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  Speaker 1: frightens them because they don't know that it was possible
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  Speaker 1: that someone was able to do that to the head
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  Speaker 1: of state without the state's complete cliance. Scares them and
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  Speaker 1: shows them that they can be powerless. So because if
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  Speaker 1: they had the answer, if they could actually prove Oswald,
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  Speaker 1: if they could destroy everything I just said and somehow
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  Speaker 1: prove that in those few days, with that thirty scant
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  Speaker 1: hours roughly that he had to do everything. Why don't
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  Speaker 1: they It's really easy to put all this tibet if
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  Speaker 1: they have the goods. They don't, so they have to
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  Speaker 1: call us crazy. They have to say anyone that questions
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  Speaker 1: them as conspiracy theorists, they must resort to personal attacts
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  Speaker 1: because they don't have evidence.
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  Speaker 3: They control the investigation with their own investigators. Yeah, don't
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  Speaker 3: ask the right questions to the right people, and so forth,
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  Speaker 3: and so yeah, yeah, before you keep this, Joe, your
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  Speaker 3: audio is dog shit again. I just wanted to let
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  Speaker 3: you know.
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  Speaker 1: It is.
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  Speaker 3: So yeah, you got the crackle pop speed.
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  Speaker 6: Okay, continue here, Okay.
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  Speaker 3: So real quick, I just want to explain to everybody
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  Speaker 3: while we're doing this on Wednesday night. Normally this is
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  Speaker 3: a Friday night show, but this weekend is convention weekend
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  Speaker 3: in Dallas, and Joe will not Joe will be in Dallas,
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  Speaker 3: I will not. Uh we'll be there in spirit, right Carma,
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  Speaker 3: And we'll be there.
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  Speaker 1: In yeah video, I'll make a video.
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  Speaker 3: And uh, you know a lot of people will be
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  Speaker 3: uh there and attending and paying attention. So we we
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  Speaker 3: are going to go live Friday night, but it will
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  Speaker 3: be possibly an hour later than normal around eight eight
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  Speaker 3: thirty pm Eastern, we're gonna we're gonna I'm gonna have
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  Speaker 3: Joe live in Dallas from the conference and and we're
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  Speaker 3: gonna be talking about all that.
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  Speaker 1: So we figured.
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  Speaker 3: We would have carbine on tonight Wednesday. Normally Wednesday we
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  Speaker 3: reserved that for our members only, but uh, we figured
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  Speaker 3: we just do it, do it live for everybody here
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  Speaker 3: tonight while Joe is trying to figure out his audio issues.
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  Speaker 3: I don't know what is the deal. I mean, we are,
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  Speaker 3: we are so everybody, we will we'll we'll be changing
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  Speaker 3: streaming platforms. I think Friday night will be the last
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  Speaker 3: time we're using stream Yard. Uh, they decided to double,
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  Speaker 3: more than double. They're yearly great Jeeves. Yeah, I mean
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  Speaker 3: it was expensive before and now it's like five hundred
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  Speaker 3: dollars a year.
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  Speaker 1: I remember, I was just yeah, I was going to say,
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  Speaker 1: I recall back in the day when you were doing
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  Speaker 1: just the audio for having to pay like large amounts
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  Speaker 1: of money just to have your audio up right in
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  Speaker 1: all the audio advanced stuff.
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  Speaker 3: So that's crazy. Yeah. Yeah, So we're moving over to
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  Speaker 3: should be after the last show on stream Yard, should
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  Speaker 3: be Friday night, So hopefully it'll clear up Joe's audio issues.
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  Speaker 3: I don't know if it's that or or what it is.
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  Speaker 3: I don't it's so hit or miss. You know these
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  Speaker 3: these audio.
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  Speaker 1: But you sound great.
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  Speaker 3: I sound great, so and and and the reason for
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  Speaker 3: the graphic this evening, uh and I knew Carma would
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  Speaker 3: find it funny, and that's why I did it. It's
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  Speaker 3: not meant to say I hope he passes away anytime soon.
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  Speaker 1: We just didn't know.
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  Speaker 3: I we just didn't know if he was going to
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  Speaker 3: come on in the show or not. He hadn't answered
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  Speaker 3: Joe's email yet.
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  Speaker 1: And oh yeah, no I I answered it as soon
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  Speaker 1: as I was able to get to it. We had
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  Speaker 1: a couple out of this last couple of days, So
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  Speaker 1: no worries. I mean, it's just maybe CARMI, maybe not.
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  Speaker 1: We don't know. So we're just gonna have a show
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  Speaker 1: and we were ready one way or the other. It
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  Speaker 1: doesn't really matter. I appreciate the starting year two because
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  Speaker 1: it wasn't It makes me much younger than I actually am.
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  Speaker 3: Well, I was, like, I wonder when he did when
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  Speaker 3: he was born. He's probably younger than me, at least
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  Speaker 3: it seems like he is.
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  Speaker 1: But at least five years, six years, So you're.
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  Speaker 3: Welcome, sir.
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  Speaker 6: Can you hear me now? Is it okay?
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  Speaker 3: Yes, we're not crackling, popping or speeding up.
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  Speaker 6: I switched browsers and yeah, so I when I went upstairs,
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  Speaker 6: I turned it on my phone and was listening. And
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  Speaker 6: it has been hit or miss, Like Rob said, one
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  Speaker 6: week it's fine, one week it's terrible. It's perfect for
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  Speaker 6: the members only, And that's one of the reasons why
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  Speaker 6: we're switching.
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  Speaker 1: In addition to the yeah, they're still having problems.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, in addition to the crazy increase that they're asking,
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  Speaker 6: we thought it was appropriate.
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  Speaker 3: So anyway, we got some things to run down through here. First,
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  Speaker 3: just because you're your Carmine, your next one on all
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  Speaker 3: things JFK assassination, So.
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  Speaker 1: I appreciate that.
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  Speaker 3: I think I came across a very old paper dude
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  Speaker 3: from researcher Gary Muir. Right, Okay, he's an old school
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  Speaker 3: this is This is from March eleventh, nineteen sixty eight.
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  Speaker 3: So his analysis may be a little dated, but it
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  Speaker 3: also might be better because he's closer to the event
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  Speaker 3: than we are, you know what I mean. But he wrote,
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  Speaker 3: he wrote this thing out. He has a little map
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  Speaker 3: that he drew of I don't know how well we
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  Speaker 3: can see that. I should have copied it, but of
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  Speaker 3: course it's daily plaza. And he's kind of mapped out
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  Speaker 3: where some arrests were made that day and who they
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  Speaker 3: actually arrested, and a couple of these people I never
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  Speaker 3: heard of before, which is interesting. So we'll start with
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  Speaker 3: number one. His number one, he says, position A, which
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  Speaker 3: is the Dow Text Building. Three known arrests and a
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  Speaker 3: possible fourth took place around and in the Dow Text Building. Okay,
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  Speaker 3: Number one is somebody we all know very well, Jim Braden, Right.
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  Speaker 1: Okay.
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  Speaker 3: He was a white male aged forty eight from Beverly Hills, California.
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  Speaker 3: He claims he was trying to get a cab on
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  Speaker 3: Elm Street shortly after the shooting occurred. He then entered
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  Speaker 3: the Dow Text Building and attempted to use a phone
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  Speaker 3: on the third floor, but found it was out of order.
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  Speaker 3: On returning to the ground floor, Braiden was reported to
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  Speaker 3: the police as a strange in the building. He was
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  Speaker 3: taken by the arresting officer, name unknown to the Sheriff's office,
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  Speaker 3: whereas he was interrogated by the officers superior. Approximate time
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  Speaker 3: of arrest was around one PM, and Deputy co Lewis
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  Speaker 3: states that Braden had been in town only two days
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  Speaker 3: and was in the Dow Text building when the shooting occurred. So, Carmid,
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  Speaker 3: do you have any thoughts on our old pal, Jim Braden.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, I do have a few comments about him. So,
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  Speaker 1: as we all know, he was, I believe, largely made
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  Speaker 1: famous by Garrison.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah who thought he was.
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  Speaker 1: I mean he was nor as we can see, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: you know, by others. But his fame or infamy, yes, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: was gained during the Garrison case. I actually looked into
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  Speaker 1: hi him a bit and I found that while he did, have,
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  Speaker 1: of course criminal connections, while he did have you know,
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  Speaker 1: you know, questionable goings on his life, he was actually
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  Speaker 1: being monitored at the time by his parole officer, so
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  Speaker 1: he had to check in that day. So right, Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: So the problem is it's one of times similar to
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  Speaker 1: the Oswald issue, is that because of the timeline we
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  Speaker 1: have of his events, because of him going to his
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  Speaker 1: parole officer, then going to the building, then going back
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  Speaker 1: to the parole officer and being observed by others later
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  Speaker 1: and then getting arrested. We can he's not the guy.
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  Speaker 1: He's He didn't have a gun, he didn't have access,
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  Speaker 1: he wasn't there when the cars were going by. He was.
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  Speaker 1: This is a but you know, like we've seen a
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  Speaker 1: million times a million different names. You know, that might
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  Speaker 1: be an exaggeration, a thousand times a thousand different names.
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  Speaker 1: People say that's a guy. You know, they don't have
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  Speaker 1: the evidence for it. They can't prove that's the person,
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  Speaker 1: but they are committed at least of writing a book
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  Speaker 1: about it and saying that's the guy.
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  Speaker 3: So I a shit look wrong place, wrong time.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah right, yeah, And I mean it's not like like
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  Speaker 1: I said, if he'd had For instance, someone that I've
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  Speaker 1: posited is a possibility is a guy called John Hunry Hill.
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  Speaker 1: You can read him out on my website. But I
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  Speaker 1: actually got Hill with a gun. According to Warren Commission testimony,
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  Speaker 1: walking down the street fifteen or twenty minutes before the
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  Speaker 1: assassination happened, just walking around with a gun. He just
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  Speaker 1: bought a rich gentleman oil gentleman who had just sold
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  Speaker 1: off all of his his businesses and decided the next
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  Speaker 1: day was going to go on a hunting trip with
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  Speaker 1: his wife. So it's a possibility, but I'd say I
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  Speaker 1: can get him. I can get him almost a daily plaza.
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  Speaker 1: That's what you need to do. If you really want
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  Speaker 1: to make somebody viable, you have to get them with
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  Speaker 1: a weapon in hand near the scene or at the scene.
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  Speaker 1: And Braiden's at the scene, but he's got no weapon,
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  Speaker 1: there's no plan, you know what I mean. And you
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  Speaker 1: have to have motivation, like he'll hated JFK. JFK blocked
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  Speaker 1: a deal that lost a millions his his administration blocked
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  Speaker 1: to deal lost of millions. So you've got to have
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  Speaker 1: all those elements in place. We basically have to do
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  Speaker 1: the Warrant Commission's work if we want to have a
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  Speaker 1: viable candidate.
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  Speaker 3: For Braiden's basically on probation going to Dallas on a
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  Speaker 3: business deal and which was as an assassination attempt, right right?
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  Speaker 3: Was it a deal?
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  Speaker 1: I believe it was some sort of report like that,
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  Speaker 1: or he was trying to or you know what, No,
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  Speaker 1: that might just be Demoron because I know Demorn.
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  Speaker 3: Shill was a bunch of different. I think I think
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  Speaker 3: he met with Hunt.
• 19:56
  Speaker 1: It was an oil deal. It might have been a survey.
• 19:59
  Speaker 1: I don't know if it was a survey or, it
• 20:00
  Speaker 1: was like he thought he knew areas. But most likely
• 20:04
  Speaker 1: if Brayden was involved, it might have been a scam.
• 20:07
  Speaker 1: Maybe he was trying to scam hunt out of some money,
• 20:09
  Speaker 1: you know what I mean. Maybe he was trying to
• 20:10
  Speaker 1: say that he has any here.
• 20:11
  Speaker 3: Oh he had an office in the same building as
• 20:14
  Speaker 3: Gbrey Gill and David Ferry and YadA, YadA, YadA. Yeah,
• 20:20
  Speaker 3: that's that's why Garrison was on his ass. But he
• 20:23
  Speaker 3: couldn't get him extra dieted from California.
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: Well and the whole I think. I think what it
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: was was there was a series of early on correct
• 20:34
  Speaker 1: deductions by Garrison that unfortunately ended up misleading him by
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: the end of it to a greater conspiracy than it
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: ever could have been, which ended up destroying his case.
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: You know, he was correct. I actually found the file
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: that shows that there is a version of the uh
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: of the What was it? It was either the Louisiana
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: State Police or the FBI saying that one of their
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: private informants said that clay Shaw did in fact you
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: was the alias. Garrison claimed, Yeah, he did, he did
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: use that alias, but he didn't use that alias because
• 21:08
  Speaker 1: he was trying to kill the president. He used that
• 21:10
  Speaker 1: alias maybe because he was undertaking things that were legal
• 21:13
  Speaker 1: in the state, because he was a gay gentleman, or
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: to cover up, you know, illegal business activities that he
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: was running. He also was connected to the c i A.
• 21:21
  Speaker 1: Garrison was right about that too. He was tripping over
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: CIA spy nets. It just were not the nuts he
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: thought they were. They were information. That's they were business
• 21:30
  Speaker 1: connection nets, which Shaw was one of the one of
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: their informants that they lied about. So Garrison had a
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: lot of reasons that that what the government was saying
• 21:39
  Speaker 1: because they were lying. It just wasn't what he thought
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: they were lying.
• 21:44
  Speaker 3: We call that Carmine the right Tata, but the wrong exactly.
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: That was a great candy.
• 21:50
  Speaker 3: Did a great job with the yes and the immortal words. Andrews.
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, one.
• 21:59
  Speaker 3: You know, it's easy.
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: Is your mama.
• 22:04
  Speaker 6: Car We'll hear from We'll hear from Dimai a little later.
• 22:07
  Speaker 6: We have a new tradition that we end off the
• 22:11
  Speaker 6: show with. But I just want to bring up one thing,
• 22:15
  Speaker 6: Rob before we move on. Isn't Jim Braiden a dB
• 22:17
  Speaker 6: Cooper suspect. It's something Braiden.
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: I'm sure at this point, who's.
• 22:26
  Speaker 6: The something Braiden?
• 22:28
  Speaker 3: Oh, he asked me too quick.
• 22:32
  Speaker 6: I'm sorry, but it's something Braiden. I don't know if
• 22:34
  Speaker 6: it's Jim. I think it's another.
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: It might just be a gentleman because I forget his
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: first name.
• 22:41
  Speaker 3: But it's not Jim. It's okay someone, yes, yes, yeah, yeah.
• 22:47
  Speaker 6: And and one more thing. The guy you were describing
• 22:51
  Speaker 6: with the gun and I had this thought in my
• 22:54
  Speaker 6: head and this from Tiny Dancer, was that the really
• 22:57
  Speaker 6: tall gentleman that is alleged to be possibly Jerry Hemming.
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: Oh, and it turns out who it actually was was
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: John Henry Hill. He was six foot eight, blue eyed,
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: blonde haired, fit the entire description. And what's funny is
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: Steve Rowe, who Rob knows, who were on different sides
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: of the aisle as far as the assassination, But we
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: both were hunting the same information. I just happened to
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: find something before he did a certain document that shows
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: and I mean you can if you look on my website.
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: It's the Man about Town is the name of my
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: investigation into him, and it basically he and his wife
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: just drove around town all day buying hunting supplies for
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: the next day, and then they went and had lunch,
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: like ten minutes away from Dealey Plaza, had a local hotel,
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: and then he's like, honey, I'm gonna go, and then
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: just leaves with the gun and that's it.
• 23:52
  Speaker 3: Nobody hears from him again for a few hours, and.
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: Then he reappears, and then the next day they go
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: and you know, this is just this would just be
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: a deduction if should you know, if he were to
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: be guilty, Well, what a better way to get rid
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: of all the friends of evidence and the guns than
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: they go on a hunting trip and just fire them
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: a bunch of times. Yeah, So I'd say that someone
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: like Hill, like I said, you have to get them
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: in my opinion, and some people might think this is
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: high bar, but if you want them to be a
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: viable suspect, you have to get them near Dearly Plaza
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: with a weapon and a mode of day off.
• 24:32
  Speaker 3: The only way, all right, Our next poor bastard arrested
• 24:37
  Speaker 3: in the text building or coming out of it. Matt
• 24:40
  Speaker 3: doubt it. No, I'm joking, nice Judy Baker, No I
• 24:51
  Speaker 3: met Larry Floor, Lauren, Matt, Matt, I just I'm sorry.
• 24:58
  Speaker 3: I watched his video earlier day. Then Matt posted on
• 25:02
  Speaker 3: Facebook he was timing the walk that it took from
• 25:08
  Speaker 3: where Oswald got out of the cab at the corner
• 25:12
  Speaker 3: of Beckley and Neely to walk to his rooming house.
• 25:18
  Speaker 3: The Warrener report says that it took him five in
• 25:22
  Speaker 3: their recreation five minutes forty five seconds. Matt walked it
• 25:27
  Speaker 3: it took him eight minutes, in like twenty six seconds.
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: What are you laughing?
• 25:36
  Speaker 2: You?
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: Maybe sorry?
• 25:40
  Speaker 3: Don't mind me anyway. I thought he buried a really
• 25:43
  Speaker 3: striking resemblance to Larry Floor in this video. But I digress,
• 25:50
  Speaker 3: so William or Larry Floor. Sorry Larry, because Larry was
• 25:54
  Speaker 3: a little bit intoxicated at the time. He was aged
• 25:59
  Speaker 3: twenty three, white male. He was arrested by Denham and
• 26:04
  Speaker 3: Trantham after using the telephone on the third floor of
• 26:07
  Speaker 3: the Dow Text Building. Now didn't this didn't they just
• 26:11
  Speaker 3: say above here that this other ass went to the
• 26:13
  Speaker 3: third floor when it was out of order? Yeah, yeah,
• 26:19
  Speaker 3: I don't know. They said he was detained for behaving
• 26:24
  Speaker 3: in a suspicious manner and he was frist outside the
• 26:28
  Speaker 3: Dow Text building and then taken to the Sheriff's office
• 26:30
  Speaker 3: at approximately twelve fifty. This entire incident also was recorded
• 26:36
  Speaker 3: on film by photographers William Allen and James Murray. Now
• 26:43
  Speaker 3: here's where, here's somebody I've never heard of before. And
• 26:47
  Speaker 3: by the way, I don't think Larry Floor was doing anything, yeah,
• 26:50
  Speaker 3: except I don't know why he was intoxicated at that
• 26:54
  Speaker 3: time of the morning, wandering in and around in the
• 26:57
  Speaker 3: dal Text building.
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: But well, it is the sixth these I mean, seriously,
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: if you I'm not even talking, you know, people would say,
• 27:03
  Speaker 1: you know, you can guess what the average person was doing.
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: But we know for sure that people would think in
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: the higher echuilons of the intelligence circles, people would refrain
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: from such things. But let me tell you, people like
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: Jim Angleton and other high ups in the CIA were
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: having liquid lunches every day. People thought there was actually
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: a member of the counter intelligence staff who thought that
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: Angleton was a spy because he always had his head
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: down after lunch on his desk. And someone's like, no,
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: he's loaded. It's not because he's a spy. It's because
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: he had five drinks at lunch and now he's going
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: to take a nap. So it doesn't surprise me, especially
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: down south. You know what, people in Texas, they like
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: to have a drink. I think everybody likes to have
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: a little drink once in a while, but people in
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: Texas like to have a couple of drinks.
• 27:52
  Speaker 6: It wasn't It was a Friday, bro.
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: True, and it's a party, you know, I mean five
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: o'clock somewhere.
• 28:04
  Speaker 3: All right. The next person I've never heard of before
• 28:08
  Speaker 3: being arrested in daily Plaza and his name is William
• 28:11
  Speaker 3: Sharp of Detanta Street in Dallas, White male, no age given.
• 28:18
  Speaker 3: He was arrested in the dall Text Building without a
• 28:22
  Speaker 3: good excuse for being there. He was arrested at twelve
• 28:25
  Speaker 3: forty five. Sharp had been detained by an unknown number
• 28:32
  Speaker 3: of uniform Dallas officers and turned over to our buddy
• 28:36
  Speaker 3: Jim Lavelle, who then took charge of Sharp and took
• 28:41
  Speaker 3: him to the Sheriff's office. What happened next to Sharp
• 28:45
  Speaker 3: is unknown. You ever heard anything about this, Carlin.
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: No, that's one of the few people I don't thing
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: I have ever heard of. Yeah, there is in the
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: maybe like the Dallas police record system doesn't have any
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: any files on him. Yeah, William Sharp nobody.
• 29:05
  Speaker 3: Nobody knows what happened to him, But again, nobody knew
• 29:10
  Speaker 3: what happened to the tramps either for thirty years.
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: And yeah, if he's using I mean, here's the whole
• 29:16
  Speaker 1: another you know, I mean levels of deception. If this
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: William Sharp is one of the people responsible, if he
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: somehow was playing the integral role in the assassination, why
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: would he give his real name? Right, I'm just saying,
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: you're gonna You're probably gonna, yeah, you're probably gonna try
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: to not identify yourself and escape. I don't think. I mean,
• 29:39
  Speaker 1: it's interesting that he's an unknown name, but yeah, if
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: we go by I mean, look at the We've discussed
• 29:44
  Speaker 1: this prior off air, but look at.
• 29:46
  Speaker 3: The witness pool.
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: Half of the witness pool could have walked away right afterwards,
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: because the Dallas police had no way to corral people.
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: So people were just walking away in droves. They were
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: just leaving. They were upset, they had seen something crazy,
• 29:57
  Speaker 1: they wanted to go home. So all those people could
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: be here and they're unknown. The police let them slip
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: their fingers and sod of the FBI and.
• 30:07
  Speaker 6: Of course dark inmplected man, umbrella man. Yeah, push the
• 30:10
  Speaker 6: lady did take it out get out of there as
• 30:13
  Speaker 6: far as we know without being corralled by the detail.
• 30:16
  Speaker 1: And I'm sure Zippruter would have too if he didn't
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: decide to go to Time Life. And then time Life
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: notified the FBI, and uh.
• 30:25
  Speaker 3: There was a fourth person arrested outside the dal Text
• 30:28
  Speaker 3: building and was recorded on film by an amateur photographer
• 30:32
  Speaker 3: named Phil Willis. The man has never been identified in
• 30:37
  Speaker 3: any of the previously meant as any of the previously
• 30:40
  Speaker 3: mentioned three. It's Willis Slide thirteen, according to Richard Sprague. Now,
• 30:46
  Speaker 3: I believe the image they're talking about here is an
• 30:48
  Speaker 3: older gentleman in like an oversized sport coat who I'm
• 30:54
  Speaker 3: not sure if you've all seen or not. I think
• 30:58
  Speaker 3: it happened reminiscently right around the of the tramps as well.
• 31:02
  Speaker 3: But you see this guy being led away by a
• 31:06
  Speaker 3: police officer. And he's definitely an older gentleman, probably in
• 31:10
  Speaker 3: his sixties, looks like and he has like an oversized
• 31:13
  Speaker 3: jacket on. But he's never identified in any way. I
• 31:16
  Speaker 3: don't think he's anybody really, but he's he looks like
• 31:20
  Speaker 3: he has money, he's well dressed, well groomed, but never identified.
• 31:25
  Speaker 3: So I mean it's it's a little sketchy, you know
• 31:28
  Speaker 3: what I mean.
• 31:29
  Speaker 1: But another and yeah, who knows who I mean if
• 31:35
  Speaker 1: he was well dressed and well groomed, would I When
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: referring back to Hill. The reason why I even was
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: led to Hill was because the place that he bought
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: his gun from earlier that day, the Column Sports Goods store,
• 31:51
  Speaker 1: was run by one of the people who got to
• 31:53
  Speaker 1: select the path of the motorcade because there were a
• 31:57
  Speaker 1: bunch of local leaders that influenced the path of the
• 32:00
  Speaker 1: motiicate so it would go buy their businesses right and
• 32:03
  Speaker 1: go to certain areas of the city.
• 32:05
  Speaker 3: So it surprised me or owner shouldn't have a say in.
• 32:11
  Speaker 1: Perhaps not but that, but he Yeah, but he was.
• 32:19
  Speaker 1: He was on the you know, he was in the
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: group of businessmen who were able to influence local politicians
• 32:24
  Speaker 1: to you know, make it go past more of the
• 32:26
  Speaker 1: areas they wanted him to see of the city.
• 32:29
  Speaker 6: Yeah, for sure. And when you think, you know, it's
• 32:31
  Speaker 6: easy for for local business owners to be involved in
• 32:35
  Speaker 6: that type of politics. But when you take it back
• 32:37
  Speaker 6: to like say Jerry Patrick Hemming being alleged to be
• 32:40
  Speaker 6: this guy, what would Jerry Patrick heming be doing buying
• 32:43
  Speaker 6: a rifle that morning exactly like, it's just what happened well.
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: And and the thing is the only thing I literally
• 32:52
  Speaker 1: couldn't get. I could get photos of the time, I
• 32:55
  Speaker 1: could get uh the you know, the witness testimony. That's
• 32:58
  Speaker 1: how I was able to piece it together find out
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: who he was. Once I found a picture of him
• 33:02
  Speaker 1: from high school, and once I found a picture of
• 33:04
  Speaker 1: his wife from later in life, and I could put
• 33:06
  Speaker 1: it all together, and I saw that it was Hill.
• 33:08
  Speaker 1: It's just it. But still, even with all that, even
• 33:13
  Speaker 1: getting him that close, I can't say he's the guy,
• 33:16
  Speaker 1: because it's not honest. Unless you have the goods, you
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: cannot say it's the guy. But I can say he's
• 33:25
  Speaker 1: damn close.
• 33:25
  Speaker 3: And he was just walking.
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: That to me is what strikes me so odd is
• 33:30
  Speaker 1: that he had a car. He bought a ton of
• 33:32
  Speaker 1: stuff at Coleman Bourne which he had to have loaded
• 33:37
  Speaker 1: in the car, which his driver or his wife drove
• 33:39
  Speaker 1: to the hotel for lunch later. Why did he take
• 33:44
  Speaker 1: the rifle and walk around town.
• 33:48
  Speaker 3: To lunch.
• 33:54
  Speaker 1: I'm apparently you know what I mean. I just that
• 34:00
  Speaker 1: just seems so brazen, just walk around with it. Yeah,
• 34:06
  Speaker 1: it makes no sense either because you're you're a rich guy.
• 34:09
  Speaker 1: Just throw in your car and drive to lunch. Why
• 34:11
  Speaker 1: and you're eight, I mean everybody's yeah, exactly, They're gonna
• 34:14
  Speaker 1: know exactly who you are. I mean, how many six guys?
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: All right?
• 34:20
  Speaker 3: Our next position, we moved to the corner of Elman
• 34:23
  Speaker 3: Houston for some more arrests. Professional photographers Jack Bears Dallas
• 34:28
  Speaker 3: Morning News and William Allen Dallas Thomes Harald recorded the
• 34:32
  Speaker 3: arrest and attention of two men at Elman Houston near
• 34:35
  Speaker 3: the TSBD. The man, one Negro, and one Cuban are
• 34:44
  Speaker 3: shown being arrested by the Dallas Police. They are then
• 34:47
  Speaker 3: led away from the school book depository by police and
• 34:50
  Speaker 3: put in a police car. Now, this seems awful, awful hanky,
• 34:56
  Speaker 3: but I'm pretty sure that we've all seen photos of
• 35:00
  Speaker 3: this happening, and that is the arrest of Bonnie Ray, Williams,
• 35:06
  Speaker 3: Danny Arsa, right, William Shelley, and Jack Doherty. Of course
• 35:13
  Speaker 3: they leave out the two white guys because they probably
• 35:15
  Speaker 3: didn't hand They don't well, I don't think they handcuffed
• 35:19
  Speaker 3: any of them, but I think this is when they did.
• 35:23
  Speaker 3: They arrested those four guys and took them down to
• 35:27
  Speaker 3: the station for questioning.
• 35:30
  Speaker 1: And that's what we see.
• 35:31
  Speaker 3: And you know they're being led down away from the
• 35:33
  Speaker 3: school book depository. They' getting put in a cop car.
• 35:37
  Speaker 3: And that's who that is, because they were all members
• 35:39
  Speaker 3: of the floor Lane crew, well except for Jack Doherty.
• 35:45
  Speaker 1: That morning.
• 35:47
  Speaker 3: So I think that's what those arrests were about.
• 35:52
  Speaker 6: Position c Wait, Rob, can I stop?
• 35:55
  Speaker 1: You sure?
• 35:58
  Speaker 6: Uh? That was never confer firm to be Doherty, right,
• 36:01
  Speaker 6: because there isn't one hundred percent there is an an
• 36:07
  Speaker 6: actual photo of him, right, And I know which picture
• 36:10
  Speaker 6: you're talking about. It's the same one where that guy
• 36:13
  Speaker 6: that's like pushing four hundred pounds when you look back
• 36:16
  Speaker 6: to the depository is in like a big suit, like
• 36:19
  Speaker 6: by the tree. We went over this and and.
• 36:26
  Speaker 3: Yeah, he's a big I think I have the photo
• 36:30
  Speaker 3: in question, handy. And the reason is I thought that
• 36:37
  Speaker 3: I had identified Jack Doherty in the picture because in
• 36:42
  Speaker 3: the testimony it claims that he was arrested along with
• 36:46
  Speaker 3: these folks and taking down to the station for questioning,
• 36:49
  Speaker 3: so he had to be with him, right. The question
• 36:54
  Speaker 3: is whether or not it's a cop or it's Jack Doherty.
• 37:04
  Speaker 3: Hang on one second.
• 37:06
  Speaker 6: Yeah, we went over this. Uh uh maybe months and
• 37:11
  Speaker 6: months and months ago. It might have been the guy
• 37:13
  Speaker 6: in the ten U Sport quote episode, but I could
• 37:18
  Speaker 6: be wrong. But well you pulled that up. Yeah, there
• 37:22
  Speaker 6: was this like weird guy that like huge guy in
• 37:25
  Speaker 6: a suit like towards the TSPD.
• 37:27
  Speaker 1: In the background.
• 37:28
  Speaker 3: I know what you're thinking of, but I don't think
• 37:30
  Speaker 3: that that's the same question. Okay, I'm downloading it now.
• 37:35
  Speaker 3: Just give me two seconds, and I put it up
• 37:39
  Speaker 3: with a photo of Doherty. I believe there was found
• 37:43
  Speaker 3: later alleged to be Doherty. I'm not sure if our
• 37:48
  Speaker 3: our good friend Linda uh Giovanni Zambinini found it. I know,
• 37:55
  Speaker 3: I know she's been checking checking into him and his
• 37:59
  Speaker 3: back and you know he was in the military, right,
• 38:05
  Speaker 3: we know that from his testimony. So let me load
• 38:10
  Speaker 3: up this picture here for everybody to take a look at. Now,
• 38:13
  Speaker 3: the image that you're going to see is the alleged
• 38:17
  Speaker 3: image of Jack Doherty on the left in the military. Okay. Now,
• 38:25
  Speaker 3: the picture on the right is Danny Arsay. It's part
• 38:30
  Speaker 3: of the part of these folks as they're being arrested.
• 38:34
  Speaker 3: Like we were just talking about outside of the school
• 38:36
  Speaker 3: book depository. You can tell it's in front of the
• 38:38
  Speaker 3: depository because of the center block wall back there, and
• 38:43
  Speaker 3: the red arrow points down to a figure that is
• 38:46
  Speaker 3: not Bill Shelley. And look at the ears. They both
• 38:53
  Speaker 3: got big ass hears.
• 38:55
  Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying.
• 38:57
  Speaker 3: And if you were to take the hat off of
• 38:58
  Speaker 3: his dude turned his head to the left. He does
• 39:02
  Speaker 3: have his eyes have this downward squinty thing going on,
• 39:09
  Speaker 3: and that's also seen in this other photo. So I'm
• 39:12
  Speaker 3: saying that that's Jack Doherty. I could be wrong, but
• 39:17
  Speaker 3: that's my very non professional opinion. Okay, so do you
• 39:21
  Speaker 3: care if I drop something? Hopefully it'll help. Yes?
• 39:24
  Speaker 1: Where do I post? Okay chat with trapping in the
• 39:27
  Speaker 1: chat present share screen. Oh actually I'll just give you
• 39:33
  Speaker 1: the link in the chat and then you can just okay, Sorry,
• 39:38
  Speaker 1: I'm technologically challenged. That's a project by a class at
• 39:46
  Speaker 1: the University of George Washington University Digital. It's a teacher
• 39:51
  Speaker 1: that had our students go through the JFK witnesses and
• 39:53
  Speaker 1: try to identify people, and that's who they believe Doherty is.
• 39:57
  Speaker 1: They have a picture from him back in high school
• 39:59
  Speaker 1: and comparison to his military picture and then a picture
• 40:02
  Speaker 1: at the scene who they believe could be.
• 40:04
  Speaker 3: Dorety huh.
• 40:09
  Speaker 1: Wow.
• 40:09
  Speaker 6: And and Robert, Yeah, you definitely brought this up on
• 40:12
  Speaker 6: a previous episode of PLG, and I definitely agree. I mean,
• 40:17
  Speaker 6: I can't think of any one that is a better candidate.
• 40:21
  Speaker 1: He's got the ears too that you were mentioning.
• 40:23
  Speaker 6: The ears are are They're significant? I mean they're very noticeable.
• 40:27
  Speaker 1: You know.
• 40:28
  Speaker 6: I can't think of a better candidate.
• 40:30
  Speaker 3: Than the show everybody the picture that Carmine was talking about,
• 40:36
  Speaker 3: and it's say, it's a time comparison, so you can
• 40:37
  Speaker 3: actually put them together with the other one. Yes, but
• 40:43
  Speaker 3: I don't know the man. This dude's got like a
• 40:44
  Speaker 3: big long Who was a guy that was that played
• 40:49
  Speaker 3: in The Munsters Lurch Herman? Oh yeah, I played Herman
• 40:54
  Speaker 3: Monster Fred Gwinn's dude looks like very lurch like in
• 40:57
  Speaker 3: his body proportions. I mean it looks like a tall dude.
• 41:00
  Speaker 3: He got long ass arms, a big long face head.
• 41:04
  Speaker 1: I don't know.
• 41:05
  Speaker 3: I don't know because to me, the other guy has
• 41:08
  Speaker 3: a pretty scrunchy looking face.
• 41:11
  Speaker 1: Yeah, see that might the jaw line. I think that
• 41:15
  Speaker 1: the on the left on the right, that could be Doherty.
• 41:18
  Speaker 1: On the left, it might not be Doherty though the ears.
• 41:21
  Speaker 1: Are we sure that is Doherty that picture from the military.
• 41:25
  Speaker 1: I don't know.
• 41:25
  Speaker 3: I'd have to ask underwear.
• 41:27
  Speaker 1: But because I was going to say the project, the
• 41:30
  Speaker 1: Washington University or the George Washington University project, they have
• 41:34
  Speaker 1: him from multiple different eras, so you can actually match
• 41:36
  Speaker 1: the face up. You can see that he kind of
• 41:39
  Speaker 1: looks like that military photo that she found in the
• 41:42
  Speaker 1: upper right one the nineteen forty.
• 41:46
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean he definitely doesn't look mentally retarded either, which.
• 41:53
  Speaker 1: They said, yeah, they say, yeah, some.
• 41:55
  Speaker 6: Sort of truly did. Yeah, he was slow, and I
• 41:59
  Speaker 6: don't off. We've kind of assumed that was some type
• 42:03
  Speaker 6: of PTSD from the war. I think that's the common.
• 42:06
  Speaker 1: Which is possible that's what happened with the gal.
• 42:10
  Speaker 3: They called it shell shock back then.
• 42:13
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 42:13
  Speaker 3: Yeah, very very jumping fellow, very jumping fellow.
• 42:19
  Speaker 1: Had yeah, exactly drench listening to bullets whizz above you. Yes,
• 42:29
  Speaker 1: all right, So.
• 42:31
  Speaker 3: That takes care of that. And then we go to
• 42:33
  Speaker 3: Position C, which is the railroad tracks north of the
• 42:35
  Speaker 3: school book depository, where more arrests occurred. At one O
• 42:40
  Speaker 3: eight PM. Shortly after the description of the suspect was
• 42:43
  Speaker 3: broadcast over the police radio, Patrolman Barnart reported having apprehended
• 42:50
  Speaker 3: a suspect fitting that description. Barnhart had the man cornered
• 42:54
  Speaker 3: at the end of Log Street, which is a dead
• 42:58
  Speaker 3: end street near the railroad. The man was drunk and
• 43:02
  Speaker 3: taken in at one fifteen pm. I believe the man
• 43:06
  Speaker 3: was probably Lonnie Ray Wright, a white male, three time loser.
• 43:11
  Speaker 3: He has recorded as having been drunk on the railroad
• 43:14
  Speaker 3: tracks and put in jail by Officer Lewis. There is
• 43:18
  Speaker 3: no record of Right having been questioned as to what
• 43:21
  Speaker 3: he might possibly have seen while he was on the
• 43:24
  Speaker 3: railroad tracks. Now, as we have learned in later years,
• 43:32
  Speaker 3: who was the guy Carmine that was arrested kind of
• 43:39
  Speaker 3: with the tramps kind of but not he was like
• 43:43
  Speaker 3: the fourth tramp. It was the La Fontaine's book was
• 43:46
  Speaker 3: about that dude?
• 43:49
  Speaker 1: Shit, Yeah, I remember, I remember the book, and I
• 43:52
  Speaker 1: remember them discussing.
• 43:54
  Speaker 3: Chat help us out here.
• 43:55
  Speaker 1: Who was that dude? They did like a.
• 44:00
  Speaker 3: Oh man, was it like a.
• 44:03
  Speaker 1: What was that show bill?
• 44:04
  Speaker 3: O'relly was on hard copy or something? They did like
• 44:08
  Speaker 3: a hard copy.
• 44:08
  Speaker 1: Special in the guy damn right now, they called it
• 44:11
  Speaker 1: the fourth Tramp. I think you're right about the.
• 44:17
  Speaker 3: What's his name?
• 44:19
  Speaker 1: That's gonna bug me, bug me? Oh no, that was.
• 44:29
  Speaker 6: John L.
• 44:30
  Speaker 1: Rod. Yes, that's what it was.
• 44:32
  Speaker 3: John.
• 44:34
  Speaker 1: I was going through I'm just like going through myths
• 44:37
  Speaker 1: in my head and I'm like, okay, No, that's okay.
• 44:41
  Speaker 1: The hunt.
• 44:41
  Speaker 3: That was the hunt study the agency did.
• 44:43
  Speaker 1: No, that was that was Sturge. But this sounds.
• 44:48
  Speaker 3: This sounds just like his story, right, Okay, he was drunk.
• 44:54
  Speaker 3: He was arrested on the railroad chat which they did
• 44:58
  Speaker 3: him a favor. Really, I'm if you're drunk on the
• 45:01
  Speaker 3: railroad tracks. But again, here's another guy that we have
• 45:05
  Speaker 3: the arrest report for thirty years later that we didn't
• 45:10
  Speaker 3: know was ever arrested that day.
• 45:12
  Speaker 7: Plaza.
• 45:13
  Speaker 1: Yeah, And of course this was.
• 45:17
  Speaker 3: Done in nineteen sixty eight, so they definitely wouldn't have
• 45:19
  Speaker 3: known who it was. They might have suspected it was
• 45:21
  Speaker 3: this three time loser, poor Lonnie, poor Lannie Ray. But
• 45:28
  Speaker 3: a last note, now here's an interesting one position D
• 45:35
  Speaker 3: and that's directly in front of the school book depository arrests.
• 45:41
  Speaker 3: The arrest and detention of three men shortly after the
• 45:44
  Speaker 3: shooting has been well recorded on film, and I believe
• 45:47
  Speaker 3: what they're talking about here is D three tramps, So
• 45:52
  Speaker 3: this technically in nineteen sixty eight. I don't think that
• 45:56
  Speaker 3: they were clear about where these guys were really arrested at,
• 45:59
  Speaker 3: which is back on a train car in the rail yard.
• 46:03
  Speaker 3: They just showed them walking them through Daley Plaza, looked
• 46:07
  Speaker 3: at them at the time that they were arrested in
• 46:09
  Speaker 3: front of the school book depository. So I think they
• 46:12
  Speaker 3: are putting a little more importance on more importance on
• 46:17
  Speaker 3: these fellas than the need be given where they were
• 46:21
  Speaker 3: act arrested at.
• 46:22
  Speaker 1: It's kind of like I'm one of the Donald Wayne House.
• 46:29
  Speaker 1: It's like Donald Wayne House. Well people don't know. Usually
• 46:32
  Speaker 1: most people don't know is that Donald Wayne House was
• 46:35
  Speaker 1: the first person arrested for shooting JFK. He was arrested
• 46:38
  Speaker 1: in Fort Worth before Oswald, about a half an hour
• 46:41
  Speaker 1: before Oswald, because the police were just trying to grab anybody,
• 46:46
  Speaker 1: anyone that looked like a vagrant, anyone that looked like
• 46:48
  Speaker 1: a criminal they were going to grab and try to
• 46:50
  Speaker 1: blame for this. So House got it before anybody else did.
• 46:53
  Speaker 1: But then they realized, oh okay, we got Oswell never mind,
• 46:56
  Speaker 1: and then released them. But they were just trying to
• 46:59
  Speaker 1: scoop up anybody they could that could be a possible
• 47:01
  Speaker 1: suspect or possibly have seen something.
• 47:03
  Speaker 3: Well, I think somebody dimed out House by saying that
• 47:06
  Speaker 3: they saw him speeding away and he had a rifle
• 47:08
  Speaker 3: in the back seat of his car, so they put
• 47:11
  Speaker 3: it and they gave a description of the car, and
• 47:13
  Speaker 3: they got him and arrested him in Fort Worth. And
• 47:18
  Speaker 3: you're right, yeah, one of the first arrest or not
• 47:22
  Speaker 3: the first arrest.
• 47:23
  Speaker 1: That might be actually an interesting I've never thought about
• 47:25
  Speaker 1: doing that, but that might be interesting to discuss one day.
• 47:27
  Speaker 1: Is just all the false arrests, because I guarantee House
• 47:31
  Speaker 1: wasn't the only one. I guarantee they picked up like these,
• 47:33
  Speaker 1: not just these guys, but they picked up people that
• 47:35
  Speaker 1: they identified and they put in a cell until Oswald
• 47:38
  Speaker 1: with they got the call that nope, it's this guy.
• 47:41
  Speaker 3: Right. Well, you know, I mean, we're going through the
• 47:43
  Speaker 3: list here, you know what I mean, there's a lot
• 47:46
  Speaker 3: of a lot of them here that that went to
• 47:47
  Speaker 3: the jail and got interrogated and probably held on to
• 47:51
  Speaker 3: I mean, we know the three tramps they held on
• 47:53
  Speaker 3: to them for a week or two after you know.
• 47:57
  Speaker 1: Oh, and that still persists. I mean just and we know,
• 48:02
  Speaker 1: we know after the HSCA, we know after confirmation, after confirmation,
• 48:05
  Speaker 1: we've done our own studies into it and can show
• 48:08
  Speaker 1: people exactly what the pictures, who they were and who
• 48:10
  Speaker 1: they were not. But there are some people that have,
• 48:14
  Speaker 1: uh it's they've married themselves to a bad theory and
• 48:19
  Speaker 1: they won't divorce it. They're going to the bitter end
• 48:23
  Speaker 1: with that theory.
• 48:26
  Speaker 3: Yeah. Now here's a weird one.
• 48:29
  Speaker 6: Was that Joe, what no I was gonna say, you'd.
• 48:34
  Speaker 3: Oh okay, I thought you were breaking up there. Position
• 48:39
  Speaker 3: E is from inside the school book depository. Okay, shortly
• 48:47
  Speaker 3: after the shooting and about at the time of the
• 48:49
  Speaker 3: discovery of the spent shells in the school book depository,
• 48:52
  Speaker 3: Alan Sweat, chief criminal Deputy, was standing directly in front
• 48:57
  Speaker 3: of the school book depository. Was a police officer brought
• 49:01
  Speaker 3: a boy in a sport coat up to Sweat and proclaimed,
• 49:05
  Speaker 3: here is the man that done shooting and I quote
• 49:08
  Speaker 3: that shit. Okay.
• 49:10
  Speaker 6: Uh.
• 49:11
  Speaker 3: Officers began to question the man immediately, and the crowd
• 49:14
  Speaker 3: became very aroused. The suspect was quickly taken to the
• 49:18
  Speaker 3: Sheriff's office and the company of city officers and the
• 49:20
  Speaker 3: two deputy sheriffs. The man was then questioned by detectives
• 49:24
  Speaker 3: and police. Does either of you have any idea who
• 49:28
  Speaker 3: in the hell he's talking about here?
• 49:32
  Speaker 6: I've heard that name before, Sweat.
• 49:35
  Speaker 1: But Alan s this is this person that someone because
• 49:39
  Speaker 1: I have never and I'm not saying I've read every
• 49:43
  Speaker 1: witness report, but I've read a few hundred, and I
• 49:48
  Speaker 1: don't think I've ever come across or anybody proclaiming that
• 49:53
  Speaker 1: this is Like there's never been a witness report that
• 49:57
  Speaker 1: said this is the guy like you shoot up in
• 50:00
  Speaker 1: front of everybody and proclaimed it like that.
• 50:02
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, somebody walked this boy in a sport
• 50:06
  Speaker 3: coat up to police officer Alan Sweat, who was standing
• 50:10
  Speaker 3: directly in front of the school to positive and proclaimed,
• 50:13
  Speaker 3: quote and I quote, here is the man that had
• 50:16
  Speaker 3: done the shooting. Had never never heard anything about that.
• 50:22
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that sounds that sounds apocryphal to me. I don't
• 50:25
  Speaker 1: believe them. I'm sorry.
• 50:28
  Speaker 3: The more I think about it, you know what this
• 50:31
  Speaker 3: might be Huh, this might be uh somebody that brought
• 50:38
  Speaker 3: uh shit amos Ewans up to the police officer and
• 50:44
  Speaker 3: he said, here is a here is a boy that
• 50:47
  Speaker 3: saw the shooting or something.
• 50:49
  Speaker 1: And it got trends. Yeah, changed into here is the
• 50:53
  Speaker 1: guy who did the shooting, which that's totally possible. Possible,
• 50:58
  Speaker 1: that's totally possible. That could change from did the shooting.
• 51:01
  Speaker 3: To because I remember somebody took amos Ewan's up to
• 51:05
  Speaker 3: the cops and it was like this boy seen the shooter.
• 51:08
  Speaker 1: Yeah no that yeah, that makes sense. Now that could
• 51:11
  Speaker 1: go into that could conform with some of the evidence
• 51:15
  Speaker 1: I've seen, because that makes a lot of sense if
• 51:18
  Speaker 1: you saw, yeah, be brought as a witness that what's
• 51:20
  Speaker 1: it happens. Unfortunately, in most of these major cases with
• 51:25
  Speaker 1: the RFK case, like the Poka dot dress girl, that's
• 51:29
  Speaker 1: actually a combination of women. Like I went through and
• 51:33
  Speaker 1: I followed all these timelines and all these witness theories,
• 51:35
  Speaker 1: and you see this poka dot dressed girl doing all
• 51:38
  Speaker 1: these things that six different women did. But when you
• 51:41
  Speaker 1: overlay all of them on top of each other, there
• 51:44
  Speaker 1: she is. So there was there were women dressed in
• 51:48
  Speaker 1: polka dot dresses who did the things that were all
• 51:50
  Speaker 1: attributed to one person.
• 51:52
  Speaker 3: But it wasn't just one person.
• 51:53
  Speaker 1: It was actually about five or six different people that
• 51:56
  Speaker 1: did it in front of different people, and then the
• 51:58
  Speaker 1: stories got spread around and got mixed to other and
• 52:01
  Speaker 1: like you're showing us right now here, here's where we
• 52:03
  Speaker 1: end up until actually our three.
• 52:06
  Speaker 3: Joining my last night, CARMI six women out in the heat.
• 52:18
  Speaker 3: Uh moving on to position. This is our last right
• 52:23
  Speaker 3: after you said that, which is hilarious.
• 52:25
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 52:30
  Speaker 3: And this is at one fourth Houston Street, folks.
• 52:34
  Speaker 7: And this is.
• 52:36
  Speaker 3: At twelve eighteen PM, a man dressed in green fatigues
• 52:40
  Speaker 3: began screaming and fell to the ground, simulating an epileptic fit.
• 52:47
  Speaker 3: Almost everyone in the area was aware of this incident
• 52:49
  Speaker 3: and testified to the fact, including the Rolands, who were
• 52:52
  Speaker 3: directly across the street from the position of the occurrence.
• 52:55
  Speaker 3: An ambulance picked the man up, but a squad car
• 52:59
  Speaker 3: and police were also sent to Parkland after the ambulance
• 53:02
  Speaker 3: arrived there. The actual arrest and detention of this man
• 53:07
  Speaker 3: may have been witnessed by Garland Slack. Okay, who we know.
• 53:13
  Speaker 3: I think that's from the shooting range, right, but I
• 53:17
  Speaker 3: believe he was also a Houston Street witness, Garland Slack
• 53:24
  Speaker 3: and his wife. I forget what her name was, but
• 53:27
  Speaker 3: I think they owned like one of the shooting ranges
• 53:30
  Speaker 3: that Oswald claimed to be.
• 53:33
  Speaker 6: I'm not sure.
• 53:35
  Speaker 3: After the shooting, Slack said he observed the police take
• 53:38
  Speaker 3: a young airman into custody through the entrance of the
• 53:43
  Speaker 3: Dallas County Sheriff's office. Slack was not asked about this
• 53:49
  Speaker 3: incident when he was questioned by the Commission, which is interesting.
• 53:55
  Speaker 3: This is something that Garrison pointed out and his Playboy
• 53:59
  Speaker 3: mag is an interview on page one hundred and sixty six,
• 54:03
  Speaker 3: So there was the epileptic fit thing. I believe the
• 54:07
  Speaker 3: guy has been identified, right, yeah, Jerry bell Knap, Jerry
• 54:11
  Speaker 3: bell Knap, yep. But he's also saying that Garland Slack
• 54:17
  Speaker 3: witnessed a young quote airman. So somebody in obviously in
• 54:23
  Speaker 3: some kind of a armed services uniform, was taken into
• 54:30
  Speaker 3: custody and walked through the entrance of the Dallas County
• 54:33
  Speaker 3: Sheriff's offices, which I had not heard before. So that's interesting, interesting, interesting. Yeah.
• 54:46
  Speaker 1: I don't have a huge background on them, but I
• 54:49
  Speaker 1: just knew the name through because I remember when.
• 54:53
  Speaker 3: Who is it, like.
• 54:56
  Speaker 1: News or another paper was trying to try Garrison's JFK
• 55:02
  Speaker 1: the Oliver Stone film, right, and so yeah, yeah, but
• 55:07
  Speaker 1: yeah that's in there. So and they they wanted to identity,
• 55:10
  Speaker 1: you know, they wanted to say, well, no, his name
• 55:11
  Speaker 1: was Jerry Bell Napaney was having an eleptic seizure.
• 55:16
  Speaker 3: It's suspect to happen right there, ten minutes before the
• 55:22
  Speaker 3: president is coming through. I mean, is it meant to
• 55:27
  Speaker 3: you know, divert attention.
• 55:31
  Speaker 1: Or what you know, if you.
• 55:34
  Speaker 3: Get if you get everybody looking at you know, especially
• 55:38
  Speaker 3: back then, no cell phones, no, you know, not the
• 55:41
  Speaker 3: like that. You know, and you have a guy having
• 55:43
  Speaker 3: an epileptic fit in front of hundreds of people. You know,
• 55:46
  Speaker 3: of course everybody's going to be concerned about them, wondering
• 55:49
  Speaker 3: what's going on, while you know, the assassin is climbing
• 55:53
  Speaker 3: in through the back entrance to the school book depository
• 55:55
  Speaker 3: and making his way, you know, whatever the case may be.
• 55:59
  Speaker 3: You know, like just just hey, it's an attention divert
• 56:04
  Speaker 3: Is it suspect? I don't know, could it be?
• 56:06
  Speaker 1: Yeah? You know?
• 56:10
  Speaker 3: Yeah?
• 56:11
  Speaker 6: And Rob, just to follow up, Garland Slack was the
• 56:16
  Speaker 6: person that the Oswalt that the shooting range allegedly shot
• 56:21
  Speaker 6: at his target, and he was also present on Houston Street,
• 56:27
  Speaker 6: I believe, And yes, that goes back to the Gurbling
• 56:32
  Speaker 6: Girl Guenberling report dated December tenth sixty three. I haven't
• 56:37
  Speaker 6: like looked into the documents. I just did a quick sirt.
• 56:39
  Speaker 3: I have all these loose little nuggets of information like
• 56:44
  Speaker 3: my brain. It is hard to sew them together. Sometimes,
• 56:48
  Speaker 3: you know it's been so long. You hear shit along
• 56:51
  Speaker 3: the way, it's like, wait a minute, Carla slack. That
• 56:53
  Speaker 3: even sounds familiar. Shooting range. Also, who's the street winn?
• 56:57
  Speaker 3: Yeah that makes sense, you're right, hey, yeh.
• 57:02
  Speaker 1: Out with a great witness. He misidentified Oswald.
• 57:06
  Speaker 3: Broken watches right twice a day exactly.
• 57:12
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Anyway, hopefully they didn't take any of his word
• 57:16
  Speaker 1: for up close identification because you couldn't really identify someone
• 57:20
  Speaker 1: a few feet away from him. So that's about all
• 57:28
  Speaker 1: I had on that.
• 57:29
  Speaker 3: So I just wanted to jump in there and start
• 57:33
  Speaker 3: it off, kick it off with some entertaining uh supposition,
• 57:39
  Speaker 3: before we get into what Carmine is gonna be talking
• 57:41
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• 57:46
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• 58:34
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• 58:36
  Speaker 3: can find it. When was he Larry Floor is presenting
• 58:40
  Speaker 3: at six pm on Friday?
• 58:47
  Speaker 6: Yes, no, we had some schedule changes, as of course
• 58:54
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• 59:00
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• 59:07
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• 59:14
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• 59:17
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• 59:31
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• 59:32
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• 59:41
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• 1:00:07
  Speaker 3: Real simple, doubt it. I doubt it.
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 1: Doubt it? Oh, doubt it?
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 6: God, real simple. Why didn't you say that to me before?
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 3: I've been saying it for fucking months. Doubt it?
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 6: Not with that analogy?
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 3: Well, I didn't know I was teaching kindergarten. Doubt that's
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 3: what I am where you do it from?
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 1: But yes, doubt yes.
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 6: And Janet Roden, which I think she was going to
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 6: be to do it. I think Janet was going to
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 6: be presented.
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 3: I'm sorry, it's okay.
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 6: I think Janet was going to be presenting on Sunday night,
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 6: but it has been moved to Friday night, which will
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 6: be interesting. Janet Roden.
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  Speaker 3: Okay, okay, did I say that.
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 6: Saturday? It's getting kicked off early? Andy keele eight A,
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  Speaker 6: M Dick Russell, Will o'haleran.
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 3: Who's Andy ke.
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 6: Topic t b A.
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  Speaker 1: Never heard of him? Dirty Dick Russell. Yeah, well.
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 6: Yeah, I'll have to see if my breakfast invitation from
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 6: Fred Wood Littwyn is still active pre the interview we
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 6: had him on a month About a month ago, Carmine.
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 1: I wrote a response to one of Fred's prior articles
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 1: back in the day, Miss Dick.
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 3: Speak. Sorry, did I'm not continue my sentence there a second?
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 1: I'm sorry?
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 3: Go ahead, Carmine.
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 6: You know.
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 1: I talked to Rob Angree about this, and like I
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 1: said earlier about about Steve Rowe, I'm more than willing
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 1: to listen to other people from the other side because
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 1: sometimes they actually can show us a weakness in the
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 1: case that some people have, or they can show us
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 1: that we might have been incorrect about something, just as
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 1: they should listen to our side, which I know that
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 1: is much more difficult sometimes for them to do because
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 1: recently I haven't caught that one off though.
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 3: No, he inserted mouth, all right, I'm sorry he opened mouth,
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 3: inserted his foot very early in the show when he
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 3: said David Ferry was a good guy.
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 1: Who fah, wow, Yeah, he did not look into any
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 1: of the stuff we've talked about before with that, like
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 1: like I found the I found the underage sex cult.
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 1: He was trying for, well, he was, he was.
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 3: This is his defense. Well, the age of consent is
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 3: sixteen in Canada. I said, what's that have to do
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 3: with New Orleans?
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 1: Okay, I'm by no means a pr person, but uh,
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 1: when you try to defend the moral sanctity of David Ferry,
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 1: you got some problems if you've actually see what chances are.
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 1: And this was my question with Fred in the past
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 1: why I wrote that rebuttal, if you haven't looked at
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 1: the evidence, you probably shouldn't talk about it. And it's
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 1: apparent Fred hasn't. You know, he's seen He's had to
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 1: have seen all this shit. I mean, it's no, oh no, man,
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 1: come on, really, I think it happens to both sides,
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 1: I really do. I think there are people that read
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 1: so far and they're good.
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 3: Well, I think he interviewed bobof in like twenty twenty one, right,
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 3: uh huh. You know the kid that went with Faerry
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 3: on the skating rink trip or whatever, right, you know
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 3: that weekend. Yeah, and Boboff in the interview says that
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 3: Fairy was great, a great guy, you know, like I'm
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 3: sure you know some of the people that Jeffrey Dahmer
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 3: didn't kill.
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, or what's his name? The other he's a
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 1: great guy, you know what I mean? Yeah? Yeah, yeah,
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 1: this the CIA source slash Cuban exile that Garrison kept
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 1: trying to interview. I can I remember his name. He
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 1: was in the dre He was the one that Oswald
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 1: tried to get Carlos ring Bringay. So Bringay was getting
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 1: Fairry out of jail and convincing parents of children that
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 1: he had molested to not press charges. Ah, that's the
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 1: sort of person David Ferry was. So that yeah, that
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 1: lit win I mean, but I bet I guarantee he
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 1: didn't read everything. He read what the government said about Ferry.
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 1: He read that he had. He has in his mind
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 1: that everybody who believes that there was a conspiracy is wrong.
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 1: So now David Ferry has to be a good person
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 1: because and he has to you know, exonerate him. But yeah,
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 1: the sixth that's that's just a whole other of its.
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 1: I mean, just that you go down that path, do
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 1: you really think you're gonna win that argument with any rash.
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 3: Just like you said, Just like you said, Carmine, people
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 3: asking why the hell you have Fred Litt went on
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 3: your show, This is exactly why I have Fredah. So
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 3: the weakness of the other side's argument sometimes, Yeah, and
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 3: so you can see exactly what they believe. Yeah. Now
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 3: in his new book, he has twelve chapters of where
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 3: he you know, busts up these miss surround in the
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 3: Kennedy assassination.
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 1: Like I told Joe, Yeah, well and he's got his
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 1: his his his echo, his mirror image on the other
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 1: side and ju to the very baker who tried to
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 1: make David Ferry into a good person. Yeah, so it's
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 1: it's something that bridges both sides. There's people who uninformed
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 1: people trying to tell us how to think. Is essentially
• 1:05:57
  Speaker 1: what's the prop.
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 3: Even if he gets war one out of twelve of
• 1:06:01
  Speaker 3: those misbusted, Yeah, it's worth hearing him out.
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 3: Yeah, if the other stuff is just icing on the cake,
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 3: you know what I mean?
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, well that he's that he got I can't
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 1: believe like maybe it's just because I've read those files,
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 1: and I know you've read those files. I don't understand
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 1: how a rational person thought they could win that argument
• 1:06:23
  Speaker 1: that David David Faerry is a monster. David had to
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 1: be bailed out by Bringay multiple times. He had been
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 1: built up banister multiple times, from hole to fairy. Yeah,
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 1: because lower kids with drugs and porn. Yeah, he was
• 1:06:44
  Speaker 1: a monster. And anytime Fred, please let me extend this invitation.
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 1: Anytime Fred would like to debate me on your show
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 1: about David Faerry what kind of a person he was,
• 1:06:55
  Speaker 1: you let me know, because I'll bring all of his
• 1:06:59
  Speaker 1: cult fire else in all the ways he tried to
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 1: get underage people to do what he wanted. He's not
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 1: a good guy. You might want to amend that.
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 6: That's a good show topic idea.
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 1: Yeah, good er bed if I will be representing the against.
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 6: And I don't doubt that he was complicated, that he
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 6: was an intellectual, that he did do certain good things,
• 1:07:28
  Speaker 6: whether it was give some young kids that maybe had
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 6: no home life like a start with a civilar patrol whatever.
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 1: I'm not but see that's the thing that mean that
• 1:07:41
  Speaker 1: as soon as you look at all the later stuff.
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 1: As soon as you see that he was. I mean
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 1: it was such a twisted name too, was like omnipotens
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 1: or something like that, just some sort of a phallic reference.
• 1:07:54
  Speaker 1: Was the name of his little cult that he wanted
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 1: to set up. So it's like when you look at
• 1:07:58
  Speaker 1: what it all led to and you look at what
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 1: was really doing, and then you looked at he used
• 1:08:03
  Speaker 1: to be an advisor for youth groups. I don't think
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 1: he was just there to help you. I think it
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 1: might have been off their motivations why he was running
• 1:08:14
  Speaker 1: Oswald's similar patrol.
• 1:08:17
  Speaker 3: But I think Joe's point is, you know, he could
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 3: have been a good guy in some people's eyes that
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 3: didn't have all the same.
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 1: Facts, who didn't know everything.
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 3: Yeah, with him, could have done good things right, just
• 1:08:32
  Speaker 3: as Sally said, you know, Ted Bundy was worked at
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 3: a suicide hotline and saved people's lives. Well, he also
• 1:08:40
  Speaker 3: would take take him out, kill him and like necrophilia
• 1:08:44
  Speaker 3: type stuff, you know what I mean, like monsters. Yeah. Yeah,
• 1:08:48
  Speaker 3: but the person, the person whose life he saved on
• 1:08:51
  Speaker 3: the suicide hotline probably thought he was a nice guy.
• 1:08:55
  Speaker 1: You know. Well, I guess it's the question about yeah,
• 1:08:58
  Speaker 1: it's it's levels of monstrosity.
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 3: So that's like you now, with everything that we know
• 1:09:05
  Speaker 3: now that Ted Bundy was a great guy.
• 1:09:10
  Speaker 1: And he was a talented sociopath, because even the judge
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 1: thought he was a good guy who sentenced him said
• 1:09:16
  Speaker 1: he felt bad that he had sentenced them for so long.
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 1: So he was a talented sociopath and so was fair.
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 3: He represented himself in court, he escaped from prison twice,
• 1:09:25
  Speaker 3: two or three times. I mean, he was crazy but
• 1:09:30
  Speaker 3: highly intelligent. And all that is, with everything we know now,
• 1:09:35
  Speaker 3: when you look back, you can't say that Ted Bundy
• 1:09:37
  Speaker 3: was a good guy at all. Some people had that experience,
• 1:09:42
  Speaker 3: but you can't just generalize him as a good guy
• 1:09:45
  Speaker 3: now knowing everything we know. Yeah, same Applia and Rob.
• 1:09:50
  Speaker 6: I think we talked about this briefly on our members
• 1:09:52
  Speaker 6: only thing. Usually these quote grumors find themselves in these
• 1:09:59
  Speaker 6: type of positions, whether it be a priest or a
• 1:10:03
  Speaker 6: football coach or a civil air patrol, uh club scale leader,
• 1:10:09
  Speaker 6: right right, right right.
• 1:10:10
  Speaker 1: And you see it. Unfortunately, what we're seeing in modern
• 1:10:13
  Speaker 1: times too is it's not limited to men for the
• 1:10:15
  Speaker 1: most part anymore. It is a wide range of people.
• 1:10:18
  Speaker 1: Now there are plenty of female teachers getting arrested. Still,
• 1:10:22
  Speaker 1: you know, from a decade ago, I'd say at least
• 1:10:24
  Speaker 1: the trend probably started up to now to where it's
• 1:10:28
  Speaker 1: I mean now it's it's I'm not saying it's even,
• 1:10:30
  Speaker 1: but there's far I mean, I and and you know,
• 1:10:33
  Speaker 1: normal looking people. I don't understand how.
• 1:10:35
  Speaker 6: They really well hot looking teachers that you would be like,
• 1:10:39
  Speaker 6: I wish they were my teacher, and they like, I'm
• 1:10:44
  Speaker 6: telling you, they're all hot, and you're like, what is
• 1:10:47
  Speaker 6: going on here? I see those videos of the links
• 1:10:49
  Speaker 6: on Twitter. Uh it's it's it's weird. And you're right,
• 1:10:52
  Speaker 6: it's it's not just one side, but it's good.
• 1:10:56
  Speaker 1: Yeah, just crazy how yeah what once would have been
• 1:10:58
  Speaker 1: unthinkable Now it's just all these female teachers and.
• 1:11:02
  Speaker 3: Those poor boys aren't looked at his victims. They're they're legends,
• 1:11:07
  Speaker 3: you know, and they're in their own towns, you know,
• 1:11:10
  Speaker 3: they're like, that's the kids you bang, you know, uh mister.
• 1:11:15
  Speaker 1: And then you even have cases where I mean, people
• 1:11:18
  Speaker 1: can they're consenting at later on anyway, but the guy,
• 1:11:22
  Speaker 1: the woman who married the guy. There was one teacher
• 1:11:25
  Speaker 1: who slept with the guy got pregnant oh, yeah, the
• 1:11:28
  Speaker 1: kid and then married him when he came of age.
• 1:11:32
  Speaker 3: Yeah, after she got out of his print or.
• 1:11:36
  Speaker 1: What are you talking like that is? I'm sorry, that
• 1:11:38
  Speaker 1: could never be a healthy relation. He's got it bad,
• 1:11:43
  Speaker 1: got it bad, got it bad.
• 1:11:45
  Speaker 3: He's her name?
• 1:11:50
  Speaker 1: Yeah, there you go. Yeah, that was yeah, the big
• 1:11:52
  Speaker 1: she was the Beatles of the female teacher epidemic.
• 1:11:58
  Speaker 3: Okay, back to the schedule.
• 1:11:59
  Speaker 6: Sorry, we went on a little bit of a tangent there,
• 1:12:02
  Speaker 6: and uh, that's okay.
• 1:12:03
  Speaker 3: It was a good see you we're dirty, Dick Russell Goddis.
• 1:12:09
  Speaker 1: Uh.
• 1:12:11
  Speaker 6: Noon you got Bob Nelson. One PM you got Paul Blow,
• 1:12:14
  Speaker 6: Jeffrey Meek and David Boylan talking about their recent kind
• 1:12:20
  Speaker 6: of poll on on JFK researchers and what everyone thinks.
• 1:12:27
  Speaker 6: And two thirty you have, of course, mister Carmine and Savastano,
• 1:12:32
  Speaker 6: and we'll get into his little tease of his presentation.
• 1:12:36
  Speaker 3: Hey Carmine, what time did the Chinese man go to
• 1:12:40
  Speaker 3: the dentist?
• 1:12:42
  Speaker 1: What time?
• 1:12:43
  Speaker 7: Too nice? Sorry, couldn't help yourself. I couldn't help me.
• 1:12:53
  Speaker 7: You wanted two thirty?
• 1:12:56
  Speaker 6: Yeah, guys, because this one won't be mon times for sure.
• 1:13:03
  Speaker 6: I'm just kidding. Three pm, Gail Nicks Jackson and we
• 1:13:08
  Speaker 6: had her on to do at.
• 1:13:11
  Speaker 1: Four pm Doug Campbell and Joe burrelly announce yourself.
• 1:13:18
  Speaker 6: Thank you, thank you, I appreciate it.
• 1:13:20
  Speaker 3: We just had Gail on the show too, Carmen, and
• 1:13:22
  Speaker 3: she was very happy to be sandwiched in between you
• 1:13:25
  Speaker 3: and Joe.
• 1:13:32
  Speaker 1: Man. Dick Russell just got you in this.
• 1:13:37
  Speaker 3: Hey, I'm all messed up. Man's what was going on?
• 1:13:43
  Speaker 6: Bill Simpich is headlining at five pm, and then at seventh.
• 1:13:49
  Speaker 6: I think there's gonna be a little break after he talks,
• 1:13:51
  Speaker 6: and then a banquet dinner and I'm hoping it'speacause it's
• 1:13:55
  Speaker 6: at the Marriott and the Marriouts hooking up with some
• 1:13:59
  Speaker 6: fire food for the banquet. And on Sunday, Gary Fannin
• 1:14:05
  Speaker 6: at nine am, Daniel Sheehan at ten am. And I'm
• 1:14:10
  Speaker 6: really looking forward to that, car Mine, because I know
• 1:14:12
  Speaker 6: he's done a lot of work on Santo Traffic conte
• 1:14:15
  Speaker 6: Oh okay, you know the s Force Files. He's like
• 1:14:19
  Speaker 6: that that teacher that has like all those presentations, very
• 1:14:24
  Speaker 6: smart on YouTube.
• 1:14:26
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:14:27
  Speaker 6: Brent Holland at eleven am, a little lunch break.
• 1:14:32
  Speaker 1: Our friend Brett the aforementioned.
• 1:14:35
  Speaker 6: Yes, who will be talking about the Richard Case Neguel files,
• 1:14:39
  Speaker 6: and I think kind of debunking some.
• 1:14:41
  Speaker 1: Of those which we agree with him on that, car Mine, yeah,
• 1:14:45
  Speaker 1: because we yeah, we already discussed it, went over those files.
• 1:14:49
  Speaker 1: I don't know if he's got some new ones. Hopefully
• 1:14:51
  Speaker 1: he has some additional ones, but certainly the what was
• 1:14:56
  Speaker 1: it the the San Jose Police Department files that uh, yeah,
• 1:15:01
  Speaker 1: I think I did a show with actually Mike Swanson
• 1:15:03
  Speaker 1: and I did a show with you on it.
• 1:15:05
  Speaker 3: Yeah, might even done a show with Chuck on it.
• 1:15:07
  Speaker 1: But essentially the entire story that most people will tell
• 1:15:12
  Speaker 1: you about Richard Case Neguel did not happen as told right,
• 1:15:15
  Speaker 1: And make of that what you will, make of the
• 1:15:18
  Speaker 1: books that were written about it what you will.
• 1:15:20
  Speaker 3: But I think it's low hanging fruit for litwind to
• 1:15:23
  Speaker 3: pluck that.
• 1:15:24
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, it's easy. It's easy to disprove because I mean,
• 1:15:27
  Speaker 1: yeah it and I went in so far as to
• 1:15:30
  Speaker 1: look into the months and months later the files of
• 1:15:33
  Speaker 1: the San Jose Police and other people, and Neguel never
• 1:15:36
  Speaker 1: even came up with the JFK idea until months afterwards.
• 1:15:42
  Speaker 1: He never said anything about JFK. He actually And another
• 1:15:46
  Speaker 1: thing a lot of people don't understand is that where
• 1:15:48
  Speaker 1: he was in his life, he was broke, He was
• 1:15:51
  Speaker 1: living out of his car, he had lost his family,
• 1:15:55
  Speaker 1: he was desperate for money. He had tried to make
• 1:16:01
  Speaker 1: a deal with some criminals and later on when they
• 1:16:03
  Speaker 1: questioned him in jail, found out that he got shot
• 1:16:05
  Speaker 1: in the chest by one of the criminals he was
• 1:16:07
  Speaker 1: trying to make a deal with. So he was very desperate.
• 1:16:10
  Speaker 1: So he was going to rob a bank. That's it.
• 1:16:13
  Speaker 1: That's it. He was going to rob a bank with
• 1:16:16
  Speaker 1: a bad plan and made a horrible escape. And that's
• 1:16:20
  Speaker 1: another thing. He didn't shoot into the air and wait
• 1:16:22
  Speaker 1: to get arrested. He ran away. He hopped his car,
• 1:16:25
  Speaker 1: tried to get away, but a cop caught him, and
• 1:16:28
  Speaker 1: then he went to jail and the JFK stuff all involved.
• 1:16:31
  Speaker 1: Later on when he appeared at various people's offices shopping
• 1:16:36
  Speaker 1: and he was in.
• 1:16:37
  Speaker 3: The looney bin during the time, there was that portion
• 1:16:41
  Speaker 3: as well.
• 1:16:42
  Speaker 1: There was, Yeah, he had well. He Another thing people
• 1:16:44
  Speaker 1: to't understand about Miguel is that he had suffered a
• 1:16:45
  Speaker 1: plane crash when he was in the US military, when
• 1:16:47
  Speaker 1: he was military intelligence. And yeah, I mean got scarred,
• 1:16:52
  Speaker 1: permanent scarring and a head injury, so he was emotionally
• 1:16:55
  Speaker 1: unstable according to the files the rest of his life.
• 1:16:59
  Speaker 3: A lot of promises about things he said he had.
• 1:17:02
  Speaker 1: And never.
• 1:17:05
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:17:06
  Speaker 1: And you know, like, for instance, one of the big
• 1:17:08
  Speaker 1: sticking points that people try to say when they bring
• 1:17:10
  Speaker 1: up Miguel that they've read out of some books is
• 1:17:13
  Speaker 1: that he had a fake Lee Harvey Oswald idea on him.
• 1:17:16
  Speaker 1: That's not true when you actually look into it and
• 1:17:19
  Speaker 1: you look at the files. It's like Lewis, it's a
• 1:17:23
  Speaker 1: similar name, it's not Oswald, it's not Lee Harvey Oswald.
• 1:17:27
  Speaker 1: That was all tailored and created later on to make
• 1:17:30
  Speaker 1: his story sell. But in the original story, he's just
• 1:17:34
  Speaker 1: a guy down on his luck who tried to rub
• 1:17:35
  Speaker 1: a bank and failed. He actually tried to kill himself
• 1:17:38
  Speaker 1: a couple times in prison. This isn't a mastermind, this
• 1:17:42
  Speaker 1: isn't you know, like he's he's not gonna go. And
• 1:17:44
  Speaker 1: I mean just just the story itself, if you look
• 1:17:46
  Speaker 1: at the face of it, seems unbelievable. Because if you're
• 1:17:50
  Speaker 1: going to try to make it so that you can't
• 1:17:52
  Speaker 1: be used in assassination, you run and you hide, You
• 1:17:55
  Speaker 1: don't go to a bank and shoot the ceiling and
• 1:17:58
  Speaker 1: get arrested and draw a ten yourself. That's that what
• 1:18:03
  Speaker 1: you do.
• 1:18:05
  Speaker 3: So it's it's unbelievable because it is.
• 1:18:09
  Speaker 6: Yeah, of course I think it was in that book
• 1:18:12
  Speaker 6: where it was in court either getting rained or whatever,
• 1:18:15
  Speaker 6: and this is I think a dirty d quote or
• 1:18:21
  Speaker 6: paraphrasing it.
• 1:18:23
  Speaker 1: And he was like, oh.
• 1:18:23
  Speaker 6: The cop was like, oh, you didn't really mean to
• 1:18:26
  Speaker 6: shoot up that bank, and the girl was like, you're
• 1:18:28
  Speaker 6: a pretty smart cop, huh, Which.
• 1:18:31
  Speaker 1: Okay, you didn't mean to shoot out Like One of
• 1:18:33
  Speaker 1: the things another in the Russell version is that he
• 1:18:38
  Speaker 1: shot into the ceiling. No, if you look at the
• 1:18:41
  Speaker 1: police report, he shot into the cage. He hit the ceiling,
• 1:18:47
  Speaker 1: but he yeah it bank didn' hit the ceiling. Yeah,
• 1:18:51
  Speaker 1: but he shot into the cage. He wasn't shooting at
• 1:18:53
  Speaker 1: the teller trying to scare or he freaked out and
• 1:18:56
  Speaker 1: you know, just misgun. Yeah, but this was by no
• 1:19:00
  Speaker 1: means planned. If he had if he was, if he
• 1:19:03
  Speaker 1: had such a great plan, how did he end up
• 1:19:05
  Speaker 1: in the streets that led him to have to rub
• 1:19:07
  Speaker 1: the back? Why was he broke? I was living out
• 1:19:09
  Speaker 1: of his cart, Jack.
• 1:19:15
  Speaker 3: All right, real quick turn horse she and said he
• 1:19:20
  Speaker 3: talked to Lansdale's wife and she confirmed that's him in
• 1:19:22
  Speaker 3: the photo. Any comments, Yes, uh no it's not and
• 1:19:26
  Speaker 3: that's horseship and uh yeah it's the back of a
• 1:19:32
  Speaker 3: guy's head.
• 1:19:33
  Speaker 6: Yes, yeah, I've heard that too, Rob Doug and I
• 1:19:38
  Speaker 6: might have you even talked about it recently, and uh,
• 1:19:42
  Speaker 6: I mean it's silly, but uh he's done other good
• 1:19:46
  Speaker 6: work in it in a lot of different areas. So
• 1:19:50
  Speaker 6: but yeah, that one is not what I agree with.
• 1:19:53
  Speaker 3: What's up missing? For one one? Welcome back? Eric and
• 1:19:57
  Speaker 3: Mark from a U S said hello, Sorry, we don't
• 1:20:01
  Speaker 3: know who that is and suck those guys, thank you.
• 1:20:09
  Speaker 6: And I know you said quickly, you said quickly, let's
• 1:20:15
  Speaker 6: get to the schedule, and it hasn't been quick, but.
• 1:20:17
  Speaker 3: You keep making it disappear. Man, God damn.
• 1:20:20
  Speaker 6: Well because we're talking, Uh.
• 1:20:23
  Speaker 1: We're still on the screen. Well not that was a lot.
• 1:20:27
  Speaker 6: We went on a big tangent.
• 1:20:31
  Speaker 3: Right, we're back on the schedule.
• 1:20:32
  Speaker 6: Yes, yes, Friend of the Show Alex Harris. Three PM
• 1:20:38
  Speaker 6: Larry Hancock and David Boyland Oswald Games the FBI, which
• 1:20:44
  Speaker 6: Larry hinted he was on here about a month ago,
• 1:20:47
  Speaker 6: Carmine hinted on that presentation that should be really interesting.
• 1:20:52
  Speaker 6: Four pm Robert Grodon a defense of the Suppervor film,
• 1:20:55
  Speaker 6: and five pm Pulblow Choke Holds is closing it out.
• 1:21:01
  Speaker 6: So essentially before we move on, you know, you have
• 1:21:05
  Speaker 6: the Jude to the very bigger conference. That's a joke.
• 1:21:07
  Speaker 6: Everyone knows it. You have the Kapa conference, which I believe,
• 1:21:11
  Speaker 6: correct me if I'm wrong, just cancel their in person
• 1:21:14
  Speaker 6: for the disual virtual. So Lancer is the only kind
• 1:21:19
  Speaker 6: of conference surviving. So for people are listening, our listeners
• 1:21:25
  Speaker 6: that that that enjoy this topic and are as enthusiastic
• 1:21:29
  Speaker 6: as we are about it. Even if you want to
• 1:21:33
  Speaker 6: sit on your couch Saturday or Sunday. Of course Carla
• 1:21:37
  Speaker 6: and I are probably biased. We should probably say by
• 1:21:39
  Speaker 6: Saturday virtual ticket.
• 1:21:43
  Speaker 1: And if you're gonna buy one, you know, if you're
• 1:21:45
  Speaker 1: gonna buy one, but you might as well just buy
• 1:21:48
  Speaker 1: one for the whole conference so you can see everything.
• 1:21:52
  Speaker 1: They're just like al Bundy with one hand.
• 1:22:00
  Speaker 6: But you know, everyone we know at Lancer is great.
• 1:22:04
  Speaker 6: We've we've had a couple of them on Kenneth his
• 1:22:06
  Speaker 6: wife or we haven't a Gabia. We've got Kenneth on
• 1:22:09
  Speaker 6: and you know, conferences are maybe a little bit of
• 1:22:16
  Speaker 6: a dying breed. Rob and I talked about this and
• 1:22:18
  Speaker 6: our members only last week, I think or two weeks ago.
• 1:22:23
  Speaker 6: But if there is a conference left to support, it's lancer,
• 1:22:27
  Speaker 6: it's good people. So if you can buy a virtual ticket,
• 1:22:31
  Speaker 6: even if it's for one day only, that helps out
• 1:22:36
  Speaker 6: and it helps support the people that work hard towards
• 1:22:39
  Speaker 6: researching this topic. Not that we particularly are making any
• 1:22:43
  Speaker 6: money off of it, but it gives people like us
• 1:22:46
  Speaker 6: a voice and it's good ship.
• 1:22:48
  Speaker 1: So thank you, Paula.
• 1:22:50
  Speaker 3: You rock. We appreciate it. I'm done now, Rob, Yes,
• 1:22:57
  Speaker 3: your uber has just gave us a very oh yes.
• 1:23:03
  Speaker 6: And thank you Paula. Jane. She is picking me up
• 1:23:06
  Speaker 6: tomorrow in about sixteen seventeen hours from the airport in Dallas.
• 1:23:12
  Speaker 3: You hold that.
• 1:23:15
  Speaker 6: And she said, I'm not a serial killer, And I said,
• 1:23:17
  Speaker 6: even if you were, I'd probably still take the ride.
• 1:23:22
  Speaker 3: Paula is a nice lady.
• 1:23:24
  Speaker 6: Yeah, you know, she is a long term listener, a
• 1:23:27
  Speaker 6: long timeless.
• 1:23:27
  Speaker 3: I'm saying that in the same vein as Fery. It
• 1:23:29
  Speaker 3: was a good guy.
• 1:23:32
  Speaker 6: Well, if I disappear and I don't show up for
• 1:23:34
  Speaker 6: Friday's Live. Paula might not be a good lady.
• 1:23:39
  Speaker 1: But.
• 1:23:42
  Speaker 3: Paula has your laptop Friday night. We know something happened.
• 1:23:45
  Speaker 1: You see it pop up. It's like Paula minus five dollars.
• 1:23:54
  Speaker 7: Oh lord.
• 1:23:56
  Speaker 3: Well, fortunately they cannot subtract when unless she holds up
• 1:24:02
  Speaker 3: Joe for her money back tomorrow. Anyway, let's segue awkwardly
• 1:24:10
  Speaker 3: into a discussion about some recent events that are very disturbing.
• 1:24:19
  Speaker 3: It's something we looked into here on the show all
• 1:24:22
  Speaker 3: the time, and that's political assassinations, and of course we
• 1:24:26
  Speaker 3: had a couple of attempts recently with the whole Trump thing,
• 1:24:29
  Speaker 3: and we're going to take a look at how historically
• 1:24:35
  Speaker 3: things some things just don't change. I will to say
• 1:24:39
  Speaker 3: that it's a Carmine if you would please, if you
• 1:24:41
  Speaker 3: lead us in into a journey to the dark side.
• 1:24:45
  Speaker 1: So these are a few things that I discussed in
• 1:24:48
  Speaker 1: my I'm going to be discussing my Lancer speech more
• 1:24:50
  Speaker 1: at length, but I also tried to include some different
• 1:24:52
  Speaker 1: things too, so we can have you know, our own
• 1:24:56
  Speaker 1: our own about it as well. I'll start with, you know,
• 1:25:02
  Speaker 1: one of the things we talked about earlier, is we
• 1:25:04
  Speaker 1: saw the repetition of history with the attack on Donald Trump,
• 1:25:09
  Speaker 1: if you put it in line with other political attacks
• 1:25:11
  Speaker 1: that have happened in the past, and one of you know,
• 1:25:15
  Speaker 1: the repetitions, unfortunately is conspiracies. There are going to be conspiracies.
• 1:25:19
  Speaker 1: There are going to be people who have unreliable ideas
• 1:25:23
  Speaker 1: that they're going to try to push to others because
• 1:25:24
  Speaker 1: they can make money, or they can manipulate them, or
• 1:25:26
  Speaker 1: for whatever reason. And that's on both sides. There will
• 1:25:30
  Speaker 1: be there will be people who say every question is
• 1:25:33
  Speaker 1: a conspiracy, you shouldn't ask anything, which is not true.
• 1:25:36
  Speaker 1: And there will be people who say everything is a conspiracy,
• 1:25:38
  Speaker 1: which is also not true. But what I wanted to
• 1:25:41
  Speaker 1: focus on were just a couple of questions I think
• 1:25:43
  Speaker 1: that are reasonable. And I've looked at the preliminary congressional
• 1:25:47
  Speaker 1: reports by the Homeland Security Committee that's investigating this so
• 1:25:53
  Speaker 1: far and by the FBI, and there's a couple of
• 1:25:58
  Speaker 1: questions that I think are valid to ask. And you know,
• 1:26:01
  Speaker 1: people are gonna say it's too early, we don't know enough. Well,
• 1:26:04
  Speaker 1: I don't think it's too early to ask these couple
• 1:26:06
  Speaker 1: of questions. Just because I think that they're fairly.
• 1:26:09
  Speaker 3: Logical investigate themselves. Yeah, fairly logical.
• 1:26:14
  Speaker 1: And both of these questions have been brought up by
• 1:26:17
  Speaker 1: members of Congress, so they might not have the same
• 1:26:22
  Speaker 1: take that I do on them, but they have asked
• 1:26:24
  Speaker 1: and have been given no answer, and I find that unacceptable.
• 1:26:29
  Speaker 1: We have to have answers, especially, you know, these are
• 1:26:32
  Speaker 1: the latest attempts. So this is the best they had
• 1:26:36
  Speaker 1: to offer. It's what we've experienced in the last two attempts.
• 1:26:40
  Speaker 1: So my question regarding the Butler, Pennsylvania crime scene is
• 1:26:47
  Speaker 1: the first one. And this is a question that Louisiana
• 1:26:50
  Speaker 1: congressman interesting too. How it out? What is it about Louisiana.
• 1:26:57
  Speaker 1: But a Louisiana Congressman, Clay Higgins voiced a significant issue
• 1:27:04
  Speaker 1: regarding the earlier attack by Thomas Matthew Crooks on Donald
• 1:27:07
  Speaker 1: Trump this year, in historical style with its usual disregard
• 1:27:12
  Speaker 1: for non executive branch leadership, Higgins was questioning the FBI's
• 1:27:17
  Speaker 1: conduct because the FBI turned over the Butler crime scene
• 1:27:20
  Speaker 1: in three days to its owners despite announced congressional investigations.
• 1:27:25
  Speaker 1: The bureau had its chosen answers, and similar to past actions,
• 1:27:28
  Speaker 1: in the Kennedy case, they prevented other independent assessments. The
• 1:27:33
  Speaker 1: FBI cannot fully answer questions about its treatment of the
• 1:27:36
  Speaker 1: Kennedy crime scene six decades later, but it appears they
• 1:27:41
  Speaker 1: believed three days was enough to fully examine the Pennsylvania
• 1:27:47
  Speaker 1: crime scene and gather all useful evidence. Three days under
• 1:27:52
  Speaker 1: regular circumstances, this is within the usual time frame recommended
• 1:27:56
  Speaker 1: to release a crime scene by some Department of Justice memos.
• 1:27:59
  Speaker 1: And got I actually looked at the DOJ guide and
• 1:28:02
  Speaker 1: it is legal, and it is okay to release a
• 1:28:08
  Speaker 1: regular crime scene in three days. But yeah, that's the
• 1:28:15
  Speaker 1: key word, a regular crime scene. This is a political
• 1:28:18
  Speaker 1: assassination crime scene. You might want to take the week,
• 1:28:23
  Speaker 1: so you know. So this was no regular crime scene,
• 1:28:31
  Speaker 1: as Rob just said, and it's a security failure of
• 1:28:34
  Speaker 1: such a magnitude it should have been preserved for multiple
• 1:28:38
  Speaker 1: evidential reviews. Higgins himself states in a preliminary report to Congress, quote,
• 1:28:44
  Speaker 1: the FBI does not exist in a vacuum. They had
• 1:28:47
  Speaker 1: to know releasing the J thirteen crime scene would injure
• 1:28:50
  Speaker 1: the immediate observation of any following investigation. So there's my
• 1:28:55
  Speaker 1: question why, same question the congressman asked why did they
• 1:29:01
  Speaker 1: have the crime scene essentially scrubbed in three days. Was
• 1:29:06
  Speaker 1: it to protect the Secret Service, because I mean their
• 1:29:09
  Speaker 1: failures are all over the place. Was it to protect
• 1:29:12
  Speaker 1: themselves because they had failed to cover the area. Maybe
• 1:29:15
  Speaker 1: one of their agents, but there has to be a reason.
• 1:29:21
  Speaker 3: And that isn't like, okay, you got one government agency
• 1:29:25
  Speaker 3: covering for another.
• 1:29:27
  Speaker 1: When Congress is going to investigate. So to me, it
• 1:29:30
  Speaker 1: seems like executive Yeah, it's executive branch covering for executive
• 1:29:33
  Speaker 1: branch so that the congressional branch doesn't find out how
• 1:29:36
  Speaker 1: absolutely a mess the crime scene was.
• 1:29:39
  Speaker 3: Well, yeah, yeah, because I mean I think we even
• 1:29:44
  Speaker 3: showed this Joe on the show and one of the
• 1:29:46
  Speaker 3: one of the ones right after the Butler thing where
• 1:29:49
  Speaker 3: you have a news guy and this was within like
• 1:29:53
  Speaker 3: within the week standing on top of the roof.
• 1:29:57
  Speaker 1: Okay, what happened the weekend of Jeffk's asassination. Reporters got
• 1:30:02
  Speaker 1: in to the depository and move boxes around so they
• 1:30:05
  Speaker 1: could take I swear it's like it is literally lining
• 1:30:09
  Speaker 1: up for the same things keep happening, you know, like you.
• 1:30:13
  Speaker 3: See you got a reporter right up there on top
• 1:30:15
  Speaker 3: of the blood stain that they half assed hosed off.
• 1:30:21
  Speaker 3: The guy down there on the field was right where
• 1:30:23
  Speaker 3: Trump was standing, where my camera man is, you know,
• 1:30:26
  Speaker 3: and I'm up here, and this is how far away
• 1:30:28
  Speaker 3: it was. And this was within a couple of days
• 1:30:31
  Speaker 3: of it happening, And I'm like, how's this guy out
• 1:30:33
  Speaker 3: there already? That I guess the crime scene had already
• 1:30:35
  Speaker 3: been released at this point three days. Yeah, it's it's
• 1:30:39
  Speaker 3: mind boggling, especially with how many questions.
• 1:30:43
  Speaker 1: And with announced Congression investigation. That's what gets me. That's
• 1:30:46
  Speaker 1: another just well, yeah, that is the page out of
• 1:30:49
  Speaker 1: the Hoover book. You are, you are literally pulling a
• 1:30:53
  Speaker 1: page out of the Hoover book to say, Okay, well
• 1:30:54
  Speaker 1: Congress is going to investigate. Can't let that happen.
• 1:30:57
  Speaker 3: You have the Service blaming it on Homeland Secure, who
• 1:31:00
  Speaker 3: was blaming on the local police.
• 1:31:02
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, it's just like, let's just and you
• 1:31:06
  Speaker 1: know what, we saw this happen before in other cases,
• 1:31:08
  Speaker 1: So let's just blitz the crime scene and then nobody
• 1:31:11
  Speaker 1: can find out anything.
• 1:31:12
  Speaker 3: Yea guy and another guy arrested who just happened to
• 1:31:17
  Speaker 3: look pretty damn identical to each other, So what the hell?
• 1:31:20
  Speaker 3: Is going on here, and you know, there's a lot
• 1:31:22
  Speaker 3: to investigate. You have all these witnesses that need to
• 1:31:24
  Speaker 3: be interviewed. You know, people were killed there. You need
• 1:31:27
  Speaker 3: to figure out you know, ballistics, uh, bullet, bullet trajectories,
• 1:31:34
  Speaker 3: you know, the whole nine yards.
• 1:31:35
  Speaker 6: It seems like, yeah, what's splatter analysis for sure?
• 1:31:41
  Speaker 1: All the forensics.
• 1:31:42
  Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, yeah, and uh, you know it's it was
• 1:31:47
  Speaker 6: funny because Rob and I did that kind of quick
• 1:31:49
  Speaker 6: reaction show I think was forty eight hours after and
• 1:31:52
  Speaker 6: we had the video right of of the shot sequence
• 1:31:57
  Speaker 6: and we were trying to determine how many shots they were.
• 1:32:01
  Speaker 6: And Carmen, I don't know if you probably didn't see it.
• 1:32:04
  Speaker 6: Do you think we got the shot sequence right? Being
• 1:32:06
  Speaker 6: able to slow down and back up the video to
• 1:32:10
  Speaker 6: we're even close to it.
• 1:32:13
  Speaker 1: I'm sure you probably got it at least as well
• 1:32:16
  Speaker 1: as the FBI or better if you actually use the
• 1:32:21
  Speaker 1: video to determine each of the shots. Yeah.
• 1:32:24
  Speaker 3: Well, we did use the video audio thankfully.
• 1:32:26
  Speaker 6: Okay, the video had audio, And.
• 1:32:28
  Speaker 1: I think that's that's the big difference between the two
• 1:32:31
  Speaker 1: time periods. Why we are so much more informed now
• 1:32:34
  Speaker 1: is because you have video and audio of almost everything
• 1:32:36
  Speaker 1: that happened that day, where in JFK's time you have
• 1:32:39
  Speaker 1: to look at grainy pictures and try to piece together
• 1:32:42
  Speaker 1: their documents. Yeah, with this, you have it live.
• 1:32:46
  Speaker 6: Yeah, and I think there was the first burst which
• 1:32:48
  Speaker 6: was three shots. I think there was a second one
• 1:32:52
  Speaker 6: that was five five shots. The second burst then local
• 1:33:00
  Speaker 6: the local snipers. This guy had kind of identified the
• 1:33:04
  Speaker 6: shooter and had shot at him. It almost right in
• 1:33:08
  Speaker 6: the middle of a second burst, but hit his gun right,
• 1:33:12
  Speaker 6: which gave like kind of blew back, give some strap
• 1:33:15
  Speaker 6: into his face, and then like the guy you know,
• 1:33:18
  Speaker 6: Crooks kind of went down and that little kind of
• 1:33:21
  Speaker 6: niche he was in that on the ceiling and then
• 1:33:26
  Speaker 6: he kind of popped back up. And that's when the
• 1:33:28
  Speaker 6: Secret Service team, the Hercules team I believe it was called,
• 1:33:32
  Speaker 6: did that final shot. And we had that right because
• 1:33:35
  Speaker 6: you heard like after everyone like even after the Secret
• 1:33:38
  Speaker 6: Service agents were on Trump, you heard that, like it
• 1:33:42
  Speaker 6: sounded different than any other shot, and that was a
• 1:33:44
  Speaker 6: Secret Service kill shot. So there's you know, ten shots total,
• 1:33:50
  Speaker 6: two being returned eight b that's.
• 1:33:52
  Speaker 1: Roughly what I've heard most of the countsy then nine
• 1:33:54
  Speaker 1: or ten.
• 1:33:55
  Speaker 6: Yeah, Yeah, and it's it's it's fascinating because to you
• 1:34:02
  Speaker 6: bring it back to your first point you made, what
• 1:34:04
  Speaker 6: can we That's what Rob and I tried to do.
• 1:34:07
  Speaker 6: What can we learnt? This attempt in really to relate
• 1:34:12
  Speaker 6: it to the JFK assassination. And we heard numerous I
• 1:34:17
  Speaker 6: think two or three different people right in the direct
• 1:34:21
  Speaker 6: aftermath that said the shots came from the water tower,
• 1:34:25
  Speaker 6: right that was like a seer service. Didn't have anyone there.
• 1:34:31
  Speaker 6: They could have, people said they should have. And so
• 1:34:34
  Speaker 6: it was this whole thing for a few days. It
• 1:34:36
  Speaker 6: was retweeted on Twitter and RX and you thought there
• 1:34:40
  Speaker 6: was a second gunman in the water tower because there
• 1:34:43
  Speaker 6: were these two or three witnesses that at the like
• 1:34:46
  Speaker 6: in the direct aftermath said they heard things coming from
• 1:34:49
  Speaker 6: the water tower. And in Daily Plaza you hear three shots,
• 1:34:53
  Speaker 6: four shots, five shots that and honestly, the whole thing
• 1:34:58
  Speaker 6: taught me this test morning man, you just can't rely
• 1:35:03
  Speaker 6: on it.
• 1:35:03
  Speaker 8: I mean, I think it's I think miss on the
• 1:35:07
  Speaker 8: witness Like when we talked, when we talked to Gail,
• 1:35:10
  Speaker 8: you know, she said, you know Orville or grandfather and
• 1:35:15
  Speaker 8: actually heard four or five shots, and they didn't want
• 1:35:19
  Speaker 8: to hear that.
• 1:35:20
  Speaker 3: You know, it was only later that he changed and
• 1:35:24
  Speaker 3: he said, well, there was only three shots that day,
• 1:35:26
  Speaker 3: because that's what the government said there was. And that's
• 1:35:30
  Speaker 3: how much he respected and trusted in his government and
• 1:35:34
  Speaker 3: country that he didn't trust his own instincts, you know,
• 1:35:41
  Speaker 3: he was his mind was later changed for him, you know,
• 1:35:44
  Speaker 3: or he allowed his mind to be changed.
• 1:35:45
  Speaker 1: By the government.
• 1:35:47
  Speaker 3: Yeah, he wielded to the four or five shots, and
• 1:35:52
  Speaker 3: that's somebody running across Dearly Plaza, running towards the limousine,
• 1:35:57
  Speaker 3: and you know, you gotta and it was he interviewed
• 1:36:01
  Speaker 3: by the Warran Commission so well, and looking.
• 1:36:06
  Speaker 1: Back on their tactics and everything, it actually hurt them
• 1:36:09
  Speaker 1: more than it helped them, because they tried to push
• 1:36:12
  Speaker 1: every injury into three shots. It's almost impossible. It requires
• 1:36:18
  Speaker 1: the magic bullet, it requires specter to make his claims,
• 1:36:22
  Speaker 1: it requires all of those things, because they couldn't admit
• 1:36:25
  Speaker 1: that there might have been a fourth and a fifth shot.
• 1:36:28
  Speaker 1: If they throw those in, well then that's you know,
• 1:36:29
  Speaker 1: that's how Tay got hurt. That's how the bullet bounced
• 1:36:32
  Speaker 1: off the street. That's how JFK got hit a couple
• 1:36:34
  Speaker 1: of times, you know, that's how everything happened.
• 1:36:37
  Speaker 3: Floor. That's a problem.
• 1:36:39
  Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly. So if they don't, which is I mean,
• 1:36:42
  Speaker 1: just such, we only found three shells, so there can
• 1:36:46
  Speaker 1: only be two shots. Really, what if the gunman picked
• 1:36:49
  Speaker 1: one up and put in his pocket. Yeah, you know
• 1:36:53
  Speaker 1: it's they they wanted an answer. Oswald was convenient.
• 1:37:00
  Speaker 3: Window, Carmine, Yeah, or rolled into a crack that got
• 1:37:03
  Speaker 3: hidden in the floor.
• 1:37:04
  Speaker 1: No one, you know, I mean they're.
• 1:37:05
  Speaker 3: Boxes everywhere, bro, Yeah, they were.
• 1:37:12
  Speaker 1: Yeah. It's funny that their own it's it's their own
• 1:37:14
  Speaker 1: theory that dooms the most of their theories. It's that
• 1:37:18
  Speaker 1: they had to make it three bullets and they had
• 1:37:21
  Speaker 1: to be just this one guy who had to do
• 1:37:23
  Speaker 1: it alone.
• 1:37:27
  Speaker 3: Yep. And when you're talking about this guy, you know,
• 1:37:32
  Speaker 3: and you hear.
• 1:37:33
  Speaker 1: This guy, Yeah, Crooks could Actually he's he's the sort
• 1:37:35
  Speaker 1: of I talked about it a little bit of my speech.
• 1:37:37
  Speaker 1: But Crooks is the warm commissions what dream I mean,
• 1:37:42
  Speaker 1: prepared for over a year practice he practiced. Think about
• 1:37:46
  Speaker 1: that for a second. Wow, that's a good thing for
• 1:37:47
  Speaker 1: an assassin to do, is maybe practice once in a while.
• 1:37:50
  Speaker 1: Oswald never did, but Crooks did every week for a year.
• 1:37:53
  Speaker 3: Beforehand.
• 1:37:54
  Speaker 1: He was committed to it. He looked up online stuff
• 1:37:57
  Speaker 1: about Trump. He waited until they got close to US High,
• 1:38:00
  Speaker 1: He staked out the site, He droned, He even sent
• 1:38:03
  Speaker 1: drones to check out the area before he even went
• 1:38:05
  Speaker 1: there himself with a range find which also kills me.
• 1:38:08
  Speaker 1: It's like, really a rangefinder. This isn't a shooting or
• 1:38:12
  Speaker 1: a golfing convention. What the hell does he have a
• 1:38:15
  Speaker 1: rangefinder for? And why wasn't it taken?
• 1:38:18
  Speaker 3: I just want to seem better through there.
• 1:38:20
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean when I saw that, I was like,
• 1:38:25
  Speaker 1: that's just basic. The average regular local cop is gonna
• 1:38:29
  Speaker 1: know that's not right, that that should be taken away
• 1:38:32
  Speaker 1: from someone before they go in a political event.
• 1:38:35
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and that person should be kicked the hell out.
• 1:38:37
  Speaker 1: Yeah, or detained. You know you got you got four
• 1:38:41
  Speaker 1: air marshals chasing Tulsa Gabbard around to make sure she
• 1:38:44
  Speaker 1: doesn't do anything wrong. But you're gonna let this dude
• 1:38:47
  Speaker 1: wander into a political convention with a rangefinder? What the
• 1:38:57
  Speaker 1: AR fifteen? Yeah means right. I don't want to do
• 1:39:02
  Speaker 1: exactly what I'm going to say there, but some of
• 1:39:04
  Speaker 1: the things they're going to lanser I mean, it's just
• 1:39:06
  Speaker 1: basic security measures that you would have a ring of protection,
• 1:39:10
  Speaker 1: that you would have overlapping snipers in a circle around
• 1:39:15
  Speaker 1: the area. You'd have guards in a circle around the
• 1:39:18
  Speaker 1: area so no one could penetrate it. That's the only
• 1:39:21
  Speaker 1: reason he got a chance to get so close to
• 1:39:23
  Speaker 1: take those shots is their failures.
• 1:39:26
  Speaker 3: They should have had a sniper on the water tower.
• 1:39:29
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and they should have had one on the airG
• 1:39:31
  Speaker 1: Building or AhR Building American Glass Research Building because and
• 1:39:35
  Speaker 1: another thing a lot of people don't understand is that
• 1:39:37
  Speaker 1: so Trump was having a fifteen thousand person event outdoors,
• 1:39:43
  Speaker 1: Jill Biden in Pittsburgh was having a roughly I think
• 1:39:48
  Speaker 1: it was like five or six hundred person indoor event.
• 1:39:51
  Speaker 1: She got a counter surveillance team. He didn't, right, So
• 1:39:57
  Speaker 1: those resources were yeah, yeah, First me, the resources were
• 1:40:01
  Speaker 1: not you know, I mean, it was all levels of
• 1:40:03
  Speaker 1: failure that you can contribute to this. But to me,
• 1:40:06
  Speaker 1: the big question I share with Congressman Higgins, why in
• 1:40:10
  Speaker 1: the world, knowing that congressional investigations were days away, would
• 1:40:15
  Speaker 1: you scrub the crime scene? And they don't have an answer.
• 1:40:19
  Speaker 1: They're not going to give us an answer. We know
• 1:40:20
  Speaker 1: the answer it because they screwed something up and they
• 1:40:24
  Speaker 1: want us to find out about it, and maybe in sixty.
• 1:40:26
  Speaker 3: Years we will, yeah, fly released.
• 1:40:31
  Speaker 1: But we're still waiting for some other stuff from the
• 1:40:33
  Speaker 1: FBI from sixty years ago, so it's kind of backlocked.
• 1:40:40
  Speaker 6: What do you think I've heard? I think I read
• 1:40:44
  Speaker 6: it in that document, the DOJ document. The Secret Service
• 1:40:48
  Speaker 6: agents were supposed to have a meeting with the local
• 1:40:53
  Speaker 6: sniper teams, right because Trump's Secret Service detail at that
• 1:40:56
  Speaker 6: time wasn't that big as a former president. Yeah, and
• 1:41:03
  Speaker 6: they didn't attend that meeting. Therefore, they weren't on the
• 1:41:05
  Speaker 6: same frequency. So when the multiplelice centers, Yeah, so when
• 1:41:10
  Speaker 6: the local police realized that there was a threat and
• 1:41:14
  Speaker 6: the snipers kind of the hercules secret Service snipers started
• 1:41:18
  Speaker 6: to obviously realize there was something wrong with all these
• 1:41:22
  Speaker 6: cops running around everywhere kind of and when you saw
• 1:41:26
  Speaker 6: the first shot from Crooks, you see the Secret Service
• 1:41:29
  Speaker 6: team completely have to like pull back and readjust like
• 1:41:33
  Speaker 6: they weren't even looking in the same area as where
• 1:41:35
  Speaker 6: Crooks was. What is that in competence that I'm not
• 1:41:40
  Speaker 6: going to go to this meeting with the local sniper
• 1:41:43
  Speaker 6: team because I'm better because I'm Secret Service.
• 1:41:46
  Speaker 1: Well, I think that there was certainly incompetence there. The
• 1:41:49
  Speaker 1: Secret Service definitely overestimated their ability to protect Frum because
• 1:41:55
  Speaker 1: of the results, so certainly over a good idea. And
• 1:42:01
  Speaker 1: you know, I some people are like, well that, you know,
• 1:42:03
  Speaker 1: that's unreasonable, that's just sexist. I'm sorry, but that small
• 1:42:08
  Speaker 1: Secret Service female agent shouldn't have been there. There should
• 1:42:11
  Speaker 1: have been six foot eight meat walls in front of
• 1:42:14
  Speaker 1: him on all sides. There should have been big linebackers
• 1:42:17
  Speaker 1: all around him and anybody, whether it was Kamala or him,
• 1:42:20
  Speaker 1: anyone they're trying to protect. You might want to try
• 1:42:23
  Speaker 1: to protect, and to do that, you're gonna need people
• 1:42:26
  Speaker 1: bigger than the person who is speaking.
• 1:42:28
  Speaker 3: A whole lot of Henry Hills.
• 1:42:30
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, you need exactly you need. You need a
• 1:42:34
  Speaker 1: wall of them or right, and you need maybe the
• 1:42:36
  Speaker 1: ballistic glass and other things. Because unfortunately, I don't think
• 1:42:40
  Speaker 1: we've seen the end of this. And I remember talking
• 1:42:43
  Speaker 1: to Joe and Rob the first time when I said
• 1:42:44
  Speaker 1: there's gonna be another one, and there was. And I
• 1:42:46
  Speaker 1: think unfortunately, unless something changes, unless we have some real
• 1:42:50
  Speaker 1: changes at Secret Service and the FBI doesn't try to
• 1:42:53
  Speaker 1: hide evidence, and uh, you know, we actually can front
• 1:43:00
  Speaker 1: this problem as a society because I think there's a
• 1:43:03
  Speaker 1: there's a bigger and anyway. I'll go into the cycles
• 1:43:05
  Speaker 1: in a second, but do you care if I jump
• 1:43:07
  Speaker 1: to my next question? So my next question concerns the
• 1:43:13
  Speaker 1: second attempt which Ryan Routh at the mar A Lago
• 1:43:17
  Speaker 1: golf course where he tried to take a shot of Trump.
• 1:43:20
  Speaker 3: Yes, this one, I think that guy has got some
• 1:43:23
  Speaker 3: questionable connections, for sure, I.
• 1:43:25
  Speaker 1: I definitely yeah. Well, he got to Ukrainian back, he
• 1:43:30
  Speaker 1: got the Ukrainian back, he wanted to go fight in Ukraine,
• 1:43:33
  Speaker 1: and he was able to somehow accrue the means to
• 1:43:36
  Speaker 1: do so. My but what's interesting about him? So there's
• 1:43:39
  Speaker 1: I think there's a lot of his background certainly is questionable.
• 1:43:42
  Speaker 1: My big question, and I don't think they have an
• 1:43:46
  Speaker 1: answer for it, but I'm I'll wait to see if
• 1:43:49
  Speaker 1: they can come up with one. But so, how did
• 1:43:51
  Speaker 1: Routh determine with nearly half a day to plan where
• 1:43:56
  Speaker 1: Trump would be present? The trip wasn't list on Trump's
• 1:44:01
  Speaker 1: public schedule and was called a last minute change by
• 1:44:03
  Speaker 1: some officials on his private schedule. So how unlikely is
• 1:44:09
  Speaker 1: the notion that Ralph just happened to pick the correct
• 1:44:11
  Speaker 1: location from a dozen such courses in America. Trump's got
• 1:44:15
  Speaker 1: a dozen courses across the country, so he picked the
• 1:44:18
  Speaker 1: right one, which is roughly an eight percent chance statistically.
• 1:44:24
  Speaker 1: Then he selected the right Florida golf course one of three.
• 1:44:29
  Speaker 1: He's got better odds, but not even odds. So now
• 1:44:33
  Speaker 1: he's made this eight percent chance pick, He's made the
• 1:44:36
  Speaker 1: one of three pick, and now he somehow knows the
• 1:44:41
  Speaker 1: twelve hour window Trump will appear in. How do you
• 1:44:46
  Speaker 1: do that?
• 1:44:48
  Speaker 3: Somebody told him sounds like.
• 1:44:51
  Speaker 1: Could be Yeah, I mean.
• 1:44:55
  Speaker 6: Do you get to Ukraine and back in these times
• 1:44:59
  Speaker 6: without getting a the radar or some.
• 1:45:01
  Speaker 1: Security of course or the intelligent services. Yeah, they're going to.
• 1:45:04
  Speaker 6: Mean, you know, no, it would be almost impossible to
• 1:45:08
  Speaker 6: not get on their radars.
• 1:45:09
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, No, I'm agree with you. I'm saying, yeah,
• 1:45:11
  Speaker 1: the intelligence services and the you know, like certainly the
• 1:45:14
  Speaker 1: Department of Poland Security would know. And following yeah, go
• 1:45:19
  Speaker 1: into a military conflict zone. Yeah, you are definitely going
• 1:45:22
  Speaker 1: on the list. They are going to know of yours
• 1:45:26
  Speaker 1: and and what kills me though, So it's a twelve
• 1:45:29
  Speaker 1: hour window, right, So security failures. We can explain security
• 1:45:32
  Speaker 1: failures for how long he was able to be concealed,
• 1:45:36
  Speaker 1: but not how he knew to be there at the
• 1:45:38
  Speaker 1: time on the right day. And the only related statement,
• 1:45:43
  Speaker 1: because I actually saw the acting Chief of Secret Service
• 1:45:46
  Speaker 1: answer this question, Uh, the only related statement on the
• 1:45:49
  Speaker 1: matter they have is they are unable to determine how
• 1:45:52
  Speaker 1: the attacker was able to get there. That's it. That's
• 1:45:56
  Speaker 1: that's the Secret Services answer. I don't know.
• 1:46:00
  Speaker 6: It wasn't even from Florida. It wasn't even living in
• 1:46:02
  Speaker 6: Hawaii or something.
• 1:46:03
  Speaker 3: He lived in North Carolina, Anawa, both. Yeah, so you no,
• 1:46:07
  Speaker 3: he was states away.
• 1:46:08
  Speaker 1: There was no reason for him to be there in
• 1:46:11
  Speaker 1: that And see what kills me is it's in that
• 1:46:13
  Speaker 1: period it is so unlikely it is an eight percent
• 1:46:17
  Speaker 1: chance that he's going to guess the right one. But
• 1:46:18
  Speaker 1: then that he would guess have a vehicle, like so
• 1:46:22
  Speaker 1: he had a vehicle. But what I'm saying is is
• 1:46:24
  Speaker 1: that he would be driving back because Trump. I looked
• 1:46:27
  Speaker 1: at Trump's schedule before and after, and Trump was like
• 1:46:29
  Speaker 1: New Jersey, Georgia, Oregon, Texas. He was all over the place.
• 1:46:35
  Speaker 1: This guy couldn't have accounted for where he was going
• 1:46:37
  Speaker 1: to be and this is on Trump's private schedule, so
• 1:46:39
  Speaker 1: even the Secret Service doesn't know until Trump changes it.
• 1:46:43
  Speaker 1: So how the hell does he know? I really would
• 1:46:47
  Speaker 1: like to I would like investigators to explain to me
• 1:46:50
  Speaker 1: how this guy knows.
• 1:46:51
  Speaker 3: So Trump's got a mole or.
• 1:46:55
  Speaker 1: Yeah, well, I think the eventual answer it can range
• 1:46:59
  Speaker 1: unint and did leak of information with an official circles.
• 1:47:02
  Speaker 1: I could see a security team posted on social media
• 1:47:05
  Speaker 1: like a member of the security team, or share an
• 1:47:07
  Speaker 1: information with a family member or a friend.
• 1:47:09
  Speaker 3: That to me is the most.
• 1:47:12
  Speaker 1: Non conspiracy answer to the questions is that somebody screwed up. Yeah,
• 1:47:19
  Speaker 1: they put it on social media. They screwed up. They
• 1:47:21
  Speaker 1: should have told somebody who are or their friend put
• 1:47:23
  Speaker 1: it on social you know what I mean exactly With
• 1:47:28
  Speaker 1: the amount of incompetence going on these days, I wouldn't
• 1:47:30
  Speaker 1: be surprised if that that's a possibility. So but but
• 1:47:35
  Speaker 1: conversely less likely but still possible. It could have been
• 1:47:38
  Speaker 1: an intentional leak to facilitate a security lapse the same way,
• 1:47:44
  Speaker 1: and then it still looks like you just made a mistake.
• 1:47:47
  Speaker 6: Yep, yeah no, And we we just got a great
• 1:47:51
  Speaker 6: comment from uh.
• 1:47:54
  Speaker 1: Cuban exiles.
• 1:47:56
  Speaker 6: Yeahan exile would Trump would have been cooked.
• 1:48:03
  Speaker 3: I think so.
• 1:48:05
  Speaker 6: And and that actually kind of segues into my question.
• 1:48:07
  Speaker 6: So I have a working theory, and I mean I
• 1:48:12
  Speaker 6: think Crooks was probably a lone gun.
• 1:48:16
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and classic example of the lone gunman.
• 1:48:19
  Speaker 6: And probably a long gunman, uh.
• 1:48:25
  Speaker 3: Michael Ryan Rolp. Yeah, but you know, you get you
• 1:48:31
  Speaker 3: gotta think, Okay, somebody could have possibly been in Crooks's
• 1:48:34
  Speaker 3: ear or you know, kind of steering him.
• 1:48:37
  Speaker 1: Honestly, I really think Brooks went back to his remember
• 1:48:40
  Speaker 1: the history, because we talked about his history. I really
• 1:48:42
  Speaker 1: think it was that chip on his shoulder. I think
• 1:48:45
  Speaker 1: it was him getting teased, and I love that every
• 1:48:47
  Speaker 1: came out later they're like, well, he didn't get teased
• 1:48:49
  Speaker 1: that much. He was thrown off the fight the shooting
• 1:48:52
  Speaker 1: team because they were afraid he was going to shoot
• 1:48:54
  Speaker 1: someone like he was and his dick. I mean, he
• 1:48:59
  Speaker 1: was the worst shot in town. Yeah, make funny you
• 1:49:08
  Speaker 1: and Bully and yeah. Well and then what I'm saying
• 1:49:13
  Speaker 1: that was then like as a response to them teasing him,
• 1:49:16
  Speaker 1: that he started to wear hunting clothes, which is like,
• 1:49:18
  Speaker 1: that's just going to make it worse so think of
• 1:49:20
  Speaker 1: all the abuse this guy was getting and then you know.
• 1:49:25
  Speaker 3: Thank you, Perpetual Concepts appreciate you.
• 1:49:28
  Speaker 1: Yeah, thanks, perpetual concept. Yeah.
• 1:49:34
  Speaker 6: So, so I think Rouse is much more likely.
• 1:49:39
  Speaker 1: There's question, yeah, questions, unlimited.
• 1:49:41
  Speaker 6: Information we have that something is a little more there.
• 1:49:45
  Speaker 1: Another thing is, if you look, prosecutors have said, because
• 1:49:49
  Speaker 1: of all the information they've gathered on routes for the trial,
• 1:49:52
  Speaker 1: it needs to be definitely postponed. That's that's what I've heard.
• 1:49:58
  Speaker 3: That's interesting. I know it's been indefinitely postponed.
• 1:50:02
  Speaker 6: I've heard nothing since he was arrested.
• 1:50:04
  Speaker 1: I wonder why they'd need more time.
• 1:50:07
  Speaker 6: Except his brother was allegedly.
• 1:50:10
  Speaker 3: Answered the questions.
• 1:50:12
  Speaker 6: Yeah, his brother was indicted for some little kids.
• 1:50:19
  Speaker 1: Oh the son, the son was his son? Oh his son? Yeah.
• 1:50:23
  Speaker 6: So I mean and that my conspiratorial mind right there
• 1:50:27
  Speaker 6: goes to what are they trying to keep Rouse from saying?
• 1:50:31
  Speaker 6: I don't looked into it.
• 1:50:32
  Speaker 1: But that's just well, yeah, no, he has been isolated,
• 1:50:35
  Speaker 1: and they have. When I saw I can't remember if
• 1:50:39
  Speaker 1: I'll find it when I send you the the sources
• 1:50:42
  Speaker 1: later to put up for people, I'll send you the
• 1:50:45
  Speaker 1: the link to it. But when I saw, Yeah, I
• 1:50:47
  Speaker 1: was MSNBC or Newsweek that we're talking about that they've
• 1:50:50
  Speaker 1: asked for an indefinite delay. So well, what do they
• 1:50:56
  Speaker 1: mean by definite? How many years do you guys need
• 1:50:59
  Speaker 1: the evidence? I mean, yeah, well, and yeah, I'll be
• 1:51:07
  Speaker 1: happy if they can answer my question. I don't think
• 1:51:09
  Speaker 1: they can do that, let alone at this point, you know,
• 1:51:17
  Speaker 1: because I mean, that's a hell of a guess. I'd
• 1:51:19
  Speaker 1: like him to pick my lottery numbers.
• 1:51:25
  Speaker 6: Yeah, and even if you knew he was going to
• 1:51:28
  Speaker 6: be in Florida to pick one, how would you know where?
• 1:51:31
  Speaker 1: Right?
• 1:51:31
  Speaker 6: It's still you know, even if you knew he was
• 1:51:35
  Speaker 6: going to be in Florida.
• 1:51:36
  Speaker 1: That's the thing too.
• 1:51:38
  Speaker 3: But he's got twelve nation wide. That's what kills it
• 1:51:40
  Speaker 3: for me.
• 1:51:41
  Speaker 1: If it would have just been Trump had three golf
• 1:51:42
  Speaker 1: courses and they were all in Florida, that's a thirty
• 1:51:44
  Speaker 1: three percent chance. Anybody can make a thirty three percent chance.
• 1:51:47
  Speaker 1: Guess he had to make the eight percent chance. Guess first,
• 1:51:51
  Speaker 1: he had to guess where in the nation Trump was,
• 1:51:54
  Speaker 1: Then guess where in Florida he was, then guess that
• 1:51:57
  Speaker 1: twelve and the twelve hour window kills it for me.
• 1:52:00
  Speaker 1: Where it's he brought fool that he knew he was
• 1:52:03
  Speaker 1: going to have to be there a while. How How
• 1:52:07
  Speaker 1: could he know that? So he's not a crazy person
• 1:52:12
  Speaker 1: as they tried to paint, he planned. He went through
• 1:52:16
  Speaker 1: a lot of the steps that Crooks did, but wasn't
• 1:52:20
  Speaker 1: as well placed, didn't fall. But this seemen fore knowledge
• 1:52:27
  Speaker 1: is my big question. Yeah, I don't even think he no, No,
• 1:52:32
  Speaker 1: he got stopped before. And he was in a much
• 1:52:34
  Speaker 1: better position than Crooks was. Like Crooks put himself at
• 1:52:38
  Speaker 1: risk by going so deep into the security perimeter. Routh
• 1:52:41
  Speaker 1: was like three to six hundred yards away or feet
• 1:52:45
  Speaker 1: away from Trump. Yeah, and ed was he troublished a
• 1:52:49
  Speaker 1: lot of range, but he was getting into range and
• 1:52:51
  Speaker 1: rout had set up like bulletproof plates. He was hanging
• 1:52:54
  Speaker 1: them on the sides of his rifle in case there
• 1:52:56
  Speaker 1: was fire back at him. He was on the outside
• 1:52:58
  Speaker 1: of the fence, so he wasn't act on the grounds
• 1:53:01
  Speaker 1: of the golf course. He was firing through the fence.
• 1:53:03
  Speaker 1: So's it's not for lack of trying, It's they just
• 1:53:09
  Speaker 1: some secret service guy was looking across and noticed a
• 1:53:12
  Speaker 1: rifle barrel.
• 1:53:14
  Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, And I think whatever side of the political aisle,
• 1:53:19
  Speaker 6: any of US land on. No one wants political assassination. Hell, no,
• 1:53:26
  Speaker 6: of this podcast.
• 1:53:27
  Speaker 1: You don't want it. Well, I think there's a number
• 1:53:31
  Speaker 1: of reasons, but one of the biggest reasons, perhaps is
• 1:53:37
  Speaker 1: that this political assassination doesn't get the assassin punished. The
• 1:53:44
  Speaker 1: people who could punish the most are the public that
• 1:53:47
  Speaker 1: gives the government impetus to clamp down because domestic terrorism occurred,
• 1:53:51
  Speaker 1: So then anybody can be a domestic terrorist.
• 1:53:55
  Speaker 3: So if you don't think you're on.
• 1:53:56
  Speaker 1: A list now should a political assassination, should have And
• 1:54:00
  Speaker 1: trust me, we'll all be on one, because then we
• 1:54:03
  Speaker 1: can all be considered threats. We can all be considered
• 1:54:06
  Speaker 1: You know the look at nine to eleven. When nine
• 1:54:09
  Speaker 1: to eleven happened, who was punished? Yes they did arrest
• 1:54:13
  Speaker 1: some terrorists. Yes, some terrorists went to jail. But who
• 1:54:16
  Speaker 1: had to now forever live with the Department of Homeland
• 1:54:18
  Speaker 1: Security a redundant level of government we didn't need. Who
• 1:54:21
  Speaker 1: has FISA courts that are secret courts that can throw
• 1:54:24
  Speaker 1: us in jail for the rest of our lives with
• 1:54:25
  Speaker 1: no chance of parole. All these things. The NSA has
• 1:54:29
  Speaker 1: been spying on us for how many decades now all
• 1:54:32
  Speaker 1: that was our response to protect us. The government was
• 1:54:37
  Speaker 1: protecting us.
• 1:54:38
  Speaker 3: Well, a lot of those things have changed, you know
• 1:54:41
  Speaker 3: over the years since the JFK assassination. Of things that
• 1:54:45
  Speaker 3: presidents used to do that they don't do anymore, Like
• 1:54:48
  Speaker 3: once they get into office. You know, it's like you
• 1:54:52
  Speaker 3: don't even see or hear anything from these dudes or whoever.
• 1:55:00
  Speaker 1: That's always something to notice, you see, like Obama in
• 1:55:03
  Speaker 1: the first term and Obama in the second term, or
• 1:55:05
  Speaker 1: Bush too, like do they age Like someone's just saying
• 1:55:08
  Speaker 1: twenty years of their life away from them.
• 1:55:10
  Speaker 3: But you know, they're not out in public very much.
• 1:55:13
  Speaker 3: There's no more motorcades, yeah, open motor cads like there
• 1:55:16
  Speaker 3: used to be. I mean, you know, for good reason,
• 1:55:20
  Speaker 3: but uh, you know, these things have an effect on
• 1:55:24
  Speaker 3: the way that that presidents conduct their business, if that's
• 1:55:28
  Speaker 3: what you want to call it nowadays, where they're much
• 1:55:32
  Speaker 3: more sanctioned off from the public than they used to be,
• 1:55:36
  Speaker 3: much less accessible, you know, things like that.
• 1:55:40
  Speaker 1: For security purpose, which I understand, and do you care,
• 1:55:44
  Speaker 1: I'll go real quick into it and try to but they.
• 1:55:47
  Speaker 3: Could be doing the same thing if the security was
• 1:55:52
  Speaker 3: better exactly they had cautions.
• 1:55:56
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, they do. Yeah, it's just a question of
• 1:56:01
  Speaker 1: using your resources. It's a question of and you know
• 1:56:04
  Speaker 1: what the Secret Service, those who hear my speech can
• 1:56:07
  Speaker 1: will hear me get in depth about it. But let
• 1:56:09
  Speaker 1: me just fire off just just a few things like so,
• 1:56:13
  Speaker 1: and I'm talking about in twenty fourteen, they were having problems.
• 1:56:17
  Speaker 1: Congress is investigating them in twenty fourteen for hundreds of complaints.
• 1:56:22
  Speaker 1: And you know agents drunk on duty in the Netherlands
• 1:56:26
  Speaker 1: who had to be sent home because they're found unconscious
• 1:56:28
  Speaker 1: in hallways, Agents hiring prostitutes in Columbia when they were
• 1:56:32
  Speaker 1: supposed to be getting ready to protect Obama the next
• 1:56:35
  Speaker 1: day on the counter sniper team. You know, that's just
• 1:56:38
  Speaker 1: a little taste. Then you go into you know, the agent,
• 1:56:43
  Speaker 1: it's like it's one of their hobbies. I think Secret
• 1:56:45
  Speaker 1: services most favorite hobby is getting drunk. Because at the
• 1:56:47
  Speaker 1: White House, two agents got found crashing a car into
• 1:56:50
  Speaker 1: White House grounds because they got drunk while they were
• 1:56:52
  Speaker 1: supposed to be patrolling the plaze.
• 1:56:54
  Speaker 3: Then you have agents in twenty twenty two being given.
• 1:56:58
  Speaker 1: Gifts by foreign foureigners who eventually got arrested because they
• 1:57:02
  Speaker 1: were foreign assets, likely of out the governments because they're
• 1:57:05
  Speaker 1: giving them iPhones and penthouse apartment suites and all sorts
• 1:57:10
  Speaker 1: of gifts. Well, yeah, that's called an intelligence operation if
• 1:57:13
  Speaker 1: you want to compromise people. So I mean the Secret Service.
• 1:57:16
  Speaker 1: It's just been a string of failures that has been
• 1:57:18
  Speaker 1: going on since the sixties. It started with not firing
• 1:57:22
  Speaker 1: James Rowley after John Kennedy died. That nothing happened after
• 1:57:27
  Speaker 1: they lost a president to anybody is the problem, and
• 1:57:31
  Speaker 1: it's continued to spiral for decades till now. Where we
• 1:57:36
  Speaker 1: are is now finally we might actually hold some of
• 1:57:38
  Speaker 1: them accountable, like we had the you know, the head
• 1:57:41
  Speaker 1: of the Secret Service. She stepped down, and that's admirable
• 1:57:44
  Speaker 1: that she set down, but if she had an event,
• 1:57:46
  Speaker 1: she should have been fired, and so should all the
• 1:57:48
  Speaker 1: other lead agents. Anybody had anything to do with the
• 1:57:51
  Speaker 1: structure of the security those days should be fired. And
• 1:57:55
  Speaker 1: that's what's gonna I'm.
• 1:57:56
  Speaker 3: Sorry, designed but I think well, writ it on the wall,
• 1:58:01
  Speaker 3: was gonna cut it or or you can resign, Yeah, resignation,
• 1:58:06
  Speaker 3: thank you.
• 1:58:07
  Speaker 1: I have a feeling, yeah I should have fired anyway.
• 1:58:09
  Speaker 1: That's another interesting thing too, did you know that the
• 1:58:11
  Speaker 1: only two chiefs of Secret Service that I've ever resigned
• 1:58:14
  Speaker 1: were both women. No men fired or resigned Julia Pearson
• 1:58:21
  Speaker 1: in twenty fourteen when they screwed up. That was the
• 1:58:25
  Speaker 1: Columbia prostitute scandal.
• 1:58:28
  Speaker 3: And then this time, you know, in the defense it
• 1:58:32
  Speaker 3: can be it could be a very boring ass job
• 1:58:35
  Speaker 3: because you got to figure, ninety nine point nine percent
• 1:58:39
  Speaker 3: of the time ain't nothing happening. You're studying stuff and
• 1:58:42
  Speaker 3: watching stuff. It's the point one percent of the time
• 1:58:45
  Speaker 3: when the ship goes down and you ain't ready for
• 1:58:47
  Speaker 3: it or you're not expecting it and it happens, and.
• 1:58:52
  Speaker 1: You know well, and like Joe said earlier, the problem
• 1:58:55
  Speaker 1: is it's so many layers over the years that have
• 1:58:58
  Speaker 1: like they don't. At Butler, they had two different command centers.
• 1:59:04
  Speaker 1: Secret Service had their own command center and then local
• 1:59:07
  Speaker 1: police had a command center. So everything, instead of going
• 1:59:10
  Speaker 1: through one chain of command had to go through two,
• 1:59:12
  Speaker 1: which is why it took longer for everybody to do
• 1:59:14
  Speaker 1: everything because people were having to do the same thing.
• 1:59:17
  Speaker 1: Like one guy would text and then he texted the
• 1:59:20
  Speaker 1: next guy, who would then call the next guy who
• 1:59:23
  Speaker 1: would It's like, yeah.
• 1:59:27
  Speaker 3: You can't all be on the same comms. That's ridiculous. Yeah,
• 1:59:31
  Speaker 3: you know, well, or how about just go back to
• 1:59:33
  Speaker 3: old fashioned radio. A couple of CB radios would have
• 1:59:36
  Speaker 3: probably been pretty handy. I mean, if you want to,
• 1:59:41
  Speaker 3: there's all sorts of easy, you know, fixes for that anyway,
• 1:59:44
  Speaker 3: So okay, if you don't, I'll jump into a I did.
• 1:59:47
  Speaker 3: One of the things I was talking to Joe and
• 1:59:49
  Speaker 3: Rob Off earlier. One of the things they're going to
• 1:59:51
  Speaker 3: present is what I'm terming cycles of political violence, because
• 1:59:55
  Speaker 3: I think that there's a macro picture to all of
• 1:59:57
  Speaker 3: this that many might not have considered, and that's that
• 2:00:04
  Speaker 3: modern spans of time are marked by domestic political attacks
• 2:00:09
  Speaker 3: on presidents or presidential candidates. But I believe that the
• 2:00:14
  Speaker 3: JFK case.
• 2:00:17
  Speaker 1: Isn't just important, you know, because of its It's not
• 2:00:21
  Speaker 1: just important because of the events of the JFK case.
• 2:00:24
  Speaker 1: It's also important because I believe that it started the
• 2:00:26
  Speaker 1: first modern cycle of political violence. And so what do
• 2:00:31
  Speaker 1: I mean by that? So I would say a cycle
• 2:00:36
  Speaker 1: is divided by a period of at least four years
• 2:00:39
  Speaker 1: or more passing between violent incidents. I'm not including public
• 2:00:45
  Speaker 1: threats by varying people who never undertake approven attack because
• 2:00:48
  Speaker 1: we've all heard of lots of people making threats but
• 2:00:49
  Speaker 1: ever doing anything, or foreign operations because they're outside forces
• 2:00:53
  Speaker 1: that we have to foil and can't necessarily control domestically.
• 2:00:57
  Speaker 1: And I'm focusing on domestic aspects of nude political violence
• 2:01:01
  Speaker 1: that we have observed not just recently but in the
• 2:01:03
  Speaker 1: last sixty years. So the JFK case would be the
• 2:01:07
  Speaker 1: beginning of the first modern cycle of political violence. So
• 2:01:11
  Speaker 1: that cycle begins in nineteen sixty three with JFK's death
• 2:01:14
  Speaker 1: and ceases with Robert F. Kennedy's assassination in Los Angeles
• 2:01:18
  Speaker 1: and in nineteen sixty eight. Two fatal incidents within five
• 2:01:21
  Speaker 1: years have altered the course of political history, and amongst
• 2:01:25
  Speaker 1: the presidency of Lyndon Johnson, the attacks ended. A second
• 2:01:28
  Speaker 1: violent cycle began during nineteen seventy two among Richard Nixon's
• 2:01:32
  Speaker 1: second term. Nixon was targeted once candidate George Wallace was shot,
• 2:01:37
  Speaker 1: Gerald Ford faced three attempts on his life, and both
• 2:01:40
  Speaker 1: Jimmy Carter and Ronald Reagan would each be attacked. Once
• 2:01:43
  Speaker 1: seven incidents within a mere nine years had occurred. This
• 2:01:47
  Speaker 1: new period of attacks nearly doubled in length, and the
• 2:01:50
  Speaker 1: second cycle includes over triple the number of previous incidents.
• 2:01:54
  Speaker 1: During the tenure of George H. W. Bush, the cycle
• 2:01:57
  Speaker 1: ends again and remains quiet. On nineteen ninety four, a
• 2:02:01
  Speaker 1: third cycle begins, with assailants targeting Bill Clinton three times
• 2:02:05
  Speaker 1: and George W.
• 2:02:05
  Speaker 3: Bush twice.
• 2:02:07
  Speaker 1: This period notes a two year expansion of the cycle's duration.
• 2:02:10
  Speaker 1: Greater attempts focus on less targets, but contains less overall attempts.
• 2:02:16
  Speaker 1: A fourth cycle of political violence began during twenty eleven
• 2:02:20
  Speaker 1: amid the presidency of Barack Obama and intended into the
• 2:02:23
  Speaker 1: first Trump administration. They used means ranging from firing shots
• 2:02:28
  Speaker 1: at the White House to ris en filled letters. Obama
• 2:02:31
  Speaker 1: would be targeted five times and Donald Trump was targeted
• 2:02:34
  Speaker 1: three times.
• 2:02:35
  Speaker 3: By twenty twenty.
• 2:02:37
  Speaker 1: Just three years later, the same cycle reignites with attacks
• 2:02:40
  Speaker 1: on Donald Trump and Pennsylvania and Florida. We are presently
• 2:02:43
  Speaker 1: in the twelfth year of the fourth cycle, and two
• 2:02:47
  Speaker 1: people have been attacked ten times. The number of people
• 2:02:51
  Speaker 1: targeted has remained consistent at two, but the rate of
• 2:02:54
  Speaker 1: violent incidents has doubled. If the two year increase in
• 2:02:57
  Speaker 1: duration present in the last two cycles remains consist this
• 2:03:01
  Speaker 1: cycle may end during twenty twenty five. That's my thesis.
• 2:03:09
  Speaker 3: Hmm.
• 2:03:09
  Speaker 1: I think, and I think if you look over time,
• 2:03:11
  Speaker 1: it's it holds pretty consistent.
• 2:03:12
  Speaker 3: It's a two year increase and bang in twenty twenty
• 2:03:15
  Speaker 3: five exactly.
• 2:03:16
  Speaker 1: I'm hoping that it'll be more more averted attempts because,
• 2:03:22
  Speaker 1: like we said, it's yeah, but when you think, I
• 2:03:26
  Speaker 1: what do you guys think of that? Do you think
• 2:03:27
  Speaker 1: sounds reasonable?
• 2:03:28
  Speaker 3: And I'm.
• 2:03:30
  Speaker 1: Trying to give a longer rate.
• 2:03:32
  Speaker 3: You know, I was thinking in my head, okay, well, yeah,
• 2:03:34
  Speaker 3: first off is the sixties. I mean, I mean, yeah,
• 2:03:37
  Speaker 3: we're talking about presidential assassination, but you know you have
• 2:03:41
  Speaker 3: to take when you're talking political, Oh you got Martin
• 2:03:44
  Speaker 3: Luther King, okay, yeah, ye, and god knows how many
• 2:03:48
  Speaker 3: you know, yeah, since then. I mean you could even
• 2:03:52
  Speaker 3: include John Lennon if you wanted to. Oh yeah, no,
• 2:03:57
  Speaker 3: as far as that's why, yeah, I do, there'd be
• 2:03:59
  Speaker 3: too many. So I just tried to keep it just.
• 2:04:01
  Speaker 1: But even with presidential there's still twenty four, right, which
• 2:04:05
  Speaker 1: is crazy yea when you think about it. Yeah, that
• 2:04:08
  Speaker 1: we've yeah, we've had twin those are just the most
• 2:04:10
  Speaker 1: proven attempts, Like I mean, if you want to count
• 2:04:13
  Speaker 1: all the threats that you're hundreds and hundreds. But I mean,
• 2:04:16
  Speaker 1: like with Reisenfeld letter, you're let me just save some idiots.
• 2:04:20
  Speaker 1: Sometimes you're not going to get a letter to a
• 2:04:25
  Speaker 1: president that hasn't gone through so much security that they
• 2:04:29
  Speaker 1: will detect your stupid points exactly. It is. It isn't
• 2:04:35
  Speaker 1: like fan mail in the sixties. You're not You're not
• 2:04:38
  Speaker 1: going to actually get your letter to the person that's
• 2:04:41
  Speaker 1: intended for. It's going to be like, for instance, I
• 2:04:43
  Speaker 1: set that letter that I told you guys about to uh,
• 2:04:46
  Speaker 1: the Defense Intelligence Agency because I wanted to answer about
• 2:04:49
  Speaker 1: them destroying all those JFK files, and it got stamped
• 2:04:53
  Speaker 1: and looked at and checked by security and signed out.
• 2:04:56
  Speaker 1: Yeah there's what do you guys do anyway, But those
• 2:04:59
  Speaker 1: do count, my opinion, because they actually did put the
• 2:05:01
  Speaker 1: poison letter. They went and mailed it. They actually took
• 2:05:04
  Speaker 1: the time and attempted to do you know, it wasn't
• 2:05:07
  Speaker 1: gonna work. But but most people don't even know that.
• 2:05:11
  Speaker 1: They don't know that Barack Obama or Donald Trump got
• 2:05:13
  Speaker 1: sent rice and filed letters.
• 2:05:15
  Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, And like Deco was saying, you know, our
• 2:05:20
  Speaker 3: country is insane. But I don't think our country is
• 2:05:22
  Speaker 3: alone in this. I'm sure this happens in other countries
• 2:05:26
  Speaker 3: as well.
• 2:05:27
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, it's it's you know, our country.
• 2:05:29
  Speaker 3: Is not alone in this insanity for sure.
• 2:05:34
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 2:05:34
  Speaker 6: The former president of Japan and the.
• 2:05:42
  Speaker 1: Yeah, no, no, it's it certainly happens another country, But
• 2:05:45
  Speaker 1: I don't know if it happens. I think in our country.
• 2:05:47
  Speaker 1: It happens in yes, spurts, I guess, or just yeah,
• 2:05:54
  Speaker 1: and you know these sets, yeah, these sets that which
• 2:05:59
  Speaker 1: the only the only thing I think that kind of
• 2:06:03
  Speaker 1: puzzles me about this is that the attempts were just
• 2:06:06
  Speaker 1: with jeffk and okay, it was just two that turned
• 2:06:09
  Speaker 1: to seven, but back to five. So it is possible
• 2:06:13
  Speaker 1: to have less attempts. It is possible to lower the temperature.
• 2:06:16
  Speaker 1: But I think, I think all these things happen because
• 2:06:18
  Speaker 1: of where we are politically at these during these times.
• 2:06:22
  Speaker 1: In the sixties, like you said, it was very tumultuous
• 2:06:24
  Speaker 1: wars and you know, people calling themselves good and evil
• 2:06:28
  Speaker 1: and that's you know, at the height of the civil
• 2:06:30
  Speaker 1: rights debate, and then in the seventies you got Watergate,
• 2:06:35
  Speaker 1: and then you've got you know, Vietnam still going on
• 2:06:38
  Speaker 1: finally ending. And then you know you had Carter with
• 2:06:41
  Speaker 1: huge inflation and people having the line up to get gas,
• 2:06:45
  Speaker 1: and then with Reagan the country was still suffering from
• 2:06:48
  Speaker 1: the Iran Contra scandal and all the other. Yeah, you know.
• 2:06:51
  Speaker 1: I mean it's these political events do trigger the public,
• 2:06:55
  Speaker 1: and depending where the public is, and right now, I'd
• 2:06:57
  Speaker 1: say it's that it's most infuriated. Is why. I think
• 2:07:01
  Speaker 1: the numbers at a place they do, like the numbers doubled,
• 2:07:05
  Speaker 1: which is crazy from from Clinton and Bush, who by
• 2:07:09
  Speaker 1: most corners had there a lot of people didn't care
• 2:07:12
  Speaker 1: for them. Bush was called the Nazi. They used to
• 2:07:15
  Speaker 1: burn the effigies of Bush for the Iraq War and
• 2:07:18
  Speaker 1: warmont And that's what made me laugh so much about
• 2:07:21
  Speaker 1: the current election. As soon as you accept the endorsement
• 2:07:23
  Speaker 1: of Dick Cheney, no matter who you are, no matter
• 2:07:26
  Speaker 1: what side you're on, you lose. As soon as you
• 2:07:31
  Speaker 1: accept the endorsement of a warmongering cog that's been in
• 2:07:35
  Speaker 1: the machine since the Nixon administration, you lose.
• 2:07:38
  Speaker 3: And I think when you talk about like the Reagan assassination,
• 2:07:41
  Speaker 3: I think attempt You know that was a Secret Service
• 2:07:45
  Speaker 3: failure as well. I mean, yes, they caught the guy. Yes,
• 2:07:48
  Speaker 3: Reagan lived, but he was.
• 2:07:52
  Speaker 1: Shot shot him.
• 2:07:53
  Speaker 3: He could have been killed easily. I mean another guy was,
• 2:07:56
  Speaker 3: you know, paralyzed, and I think another guy did lose
• 2:07:59
  Speaker 3: his life maybe from correctly.
• 2:08:04
  Speaker 1: He was paralyzed. Uh.
• 2:08:06
  Speaker 3: That started the Brady bill because the yeah, because Brady
• 2:08:09
  Speaker 3: got shot. Ye, I didn't know if there was another
• 2:08:11
  Speaker 3: gume got shot and killed. I don't believe so, but
• 2:08:13
  Speaker 3: I have a look maybe yeah, yeah, maybe not. But
• 2:08:16
  Speaker 3: I still view that as the Secret Service failure.
• 2:08:18
  Speaker 1: Exactly they should too, but they don't. That's that's the
• 2:08:23
  Speaker 1: big problem that I think the government.
• 2:08:25
  Speaker 3: Needs to face that doesn't shot like literally, yeah, that's
• 2:08:28
  Speaker 3: a failure and should be fired.
• 2:08:31
  Speaker 1: If you're if you're at work and you're a waitress
• 2:08:35
  Speaker 1: and you drop a plate and it lands on somebody
• 2:08:39
  Speaker 1: and messes up their clothes and they threaten to sue
• 2:08:41
  Speaker 1: the owner and he fires you for that, you.
• 2:08:45
  Speaker 3: Know what, He's got a reason chances of it happening again.
• 2:08:50
  Speaker 1: So yeah, So if we're going yeah, and if we're
• 2:08:53
  Speaker 1: going to hold people who serve food to that standard,
• 2:08:57
  Speaker 1: I'd say the people who are supposed to protect our
• 2:08:59
  Speaker 1: leaders should be out to the same standard, just basic confidence,
• 2:09:05
  Speaker 1: know how to do your job a little please, yeah,
• 2:09:08
  Speaker 1: just a little bit. And what, unfortunately, like I said
• 2:09:12
  Speaker 1: twenty twenty five, is I think the earliest we're going
• 2:09:14
  Speaker 1: to see a pause, hopefully a nice long pause. I
• 2:09:16
  Speaker 1: wouldn't mind, but I don't have a lot of hope
• 2:09:21
  Speaker 1: that is going to stop until we actually as a
• 2:09:23
  Speaker 1: society try to come together both sides, all sides, and
• 2:09:28
  Speaker 1: try to look at this as it's an all of
• 2:09:29
  Speaker 1: our best interest. What kills me too is that politicians
• 2:09:33
  Speaker 1: and you know, celebrities should have been talking about this
• 2:09:37
  Speaker 1: a long time ago because they're usually the ones targeted.
• 2:09:41
  Speaker 3: So this little our mind, we will finally have the
• 2:09:46
  Speaker 3: first AI president.
• 2:09:48
  Speaker 1: Oh jeez, the first AIG present.
• 2:09:52
  Speaker 3: I'm just saying, you never know. I mean, Elon Musk
• 2:09:56
  Speaker 3: is rolling out the first robot Optimist he could decide,
• 2:10:00
  Speaker 3: can decide to run for president, and he says, the
• 2:10:02
  Speaker 3: right thing, you might get elected. Who they all knows, well.
• 2:10:05
  Speaker 1: Itn't be. It wouldn't be the first empty suit to
• 2:10:08
  Speaker 1: hold the off.
• 2:10:08
  Speaker 3: Of Robots are people too, they have rights.
• 2:10:13
  Speaker 1: Robot rights, robot robot rights.
• 2:10:18
  Speaker 3: You can see all this coming down the pipe.
• 2:10:21
  Speaker 1: What frightens me is the uh sorry, and.
• 2:10:25
  Speaker 3: To kill one, they can just take out a chip
• 2:10:27
  Speaker 3: put in another one.
• 2:10:27
  Speaker 1: Yeah, going off going off topic here, but I saw
• 2:10:30
  Speaker 1: something that just frightened me the other day where I
• 2:10:32
  Speaker 1: was looking at like people now, uh, like needing psychiatric
• 2:10:36
  Speaker 1: help and like having issues over AI mates, like AI
• 2:10:41
  Speaker 1: boyfriends and girlfriends like they're they're foregoing and having a
• 2:10:47
  Speaker 1: real boy friend or girlfriend and getting an AI one
• 2:10:51
  Speaker 1: so that they can just interact with it.
• 2:10:54
  Speaker 3: Well, I can definitely see the upside of having a robot, okay,
• 2:10:59
  Speaker 3: who can clean your house for you, who can cook
• 2:11:04
  Speaker 3: your meals for you, can the store for you, who
• 2:11:08
  Speaker 3: can walk your dog for you? Uh, those are crazy benefits.
• 2:11:16
  Speaker 3: And if they can have a conversation with you much
• 2:11:19
  Speaker 3: like a human can, then the need for actual human
• 2:11:23
  Speaker 3: companionship goes way down, which is horrible.
• 2:11:29
  Speaker 1: It's use like the I agree with you, the utility
• 2:11:33
  Speaker 1: of a robot to do that sounds great and hopefully
• 2:11:36
  Speaker 1: we can all have one of those in our house,
• 2:11:38
  Speaker 1: but it certainly doesn't replace the real need for interaction.
• 2:11:41
  Speaker 1: And it's like, what's what's crazy is like it's also
• 2:11:45
  Speaker 1: it's a company that owns this thing right, So this
• 2:11:48
  Speaker 1: company knows everything private. You're saying to this AI bot,
• 2:11:54
  Speaker 1: and it's telling you what you want to hear back
• 2:11:57
  Speaker 1: to just get you to subscribe to like your team,
• 2:12:00
  Speaker 1: your AI boyfriend or girlfriend forever.
• 2:12:03
  Speaker 3: It's well, you can buy the thing for twenty grand,
• 2:12:07
  Speaker 3: but then, of course, I'm sure you gotta subscribe to
• 2:12:09
  Speaker 3: like Amazon Prime or Alexa or whatever you know, to
• 2:12:13
  Speaker 3: keep the program running or whatever. But you know, I
• 2:12:16
  Speaker 3: can see people, you know, hey, hey, what you know,
• 2:12:18
  Speaker 3: watch Junior there for I'm gonna you know, I gotta
• 2:12:21
  Speaker 3: run to the gym, watch the kid, babysit the kid.
• 2:12:26
  Speaker 1: You know, remember her, I can't remember her name, but
• 2:12:27
  Speaker 1: the maid and uh, the Judsons. Yeah, the robots.
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  Speaker 3: You can see these things are going to happen in
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  Speaker 3: the future. And if these robots get life like enough
• 2:12:44
  Speaker 3: to have male and female parts as well, which on
• 2:12:50
  Speaker 3: some of these Japanese robots they do have this stuff. Well,
• 2:12:57
  Speaker 3: you know, guys, woman and themen won't need anymore.
• 2:13:01
  Speaker 1: Until they get hacked. They won't need anything.
• 2:13:07
  Speaker 3: Until and you have to go to the hospital.
• 2:13:11
  Speaker 1: But yeah, that is oh man, you can just imagine.
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  Speaker 3: Could you mentioned malwares like it gives virus a whole
• 2:13:22
  Speaker 3: new Yeah you know people or yeah, just you don't.
• 2:13:27
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you don't think there's hackers out there that are
• 2:13:29
  Speaker 1: gonna try to like get into the camera and these
• 2:13:31
  Speaker 1: things so they can tape you into the black. Of
• 2:13:35
  Speaker 1: course they're gonna do all that. You can see it all. Yeah,
• 2:13:39
  Speaker 1: they try to do with regular stuff already they're trying
• 2:13:41
  Speaker 1: to black build people with stuff on their phone. Of
• 2:13:43
  Speaker 1: course they're gonna. Yeah, that's just a bad idea, man.
• 2:13:47
  Speaker 1: Some things should be analoged. Some things.
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  Speaker 3: It's coming.
• 2:13:53
  Speaker 1: Oh I know, no, I believe you. Yeah, there's gonna
• 2:13:56
  Speaker 1: be a ton of people.
• 2:13:58
  Speaker 3: It will be flying, it will becoming all. Such a
• 2:14:03
  Speaker 3: bad idea, man, A bad optimist was a good guy
• 2:14:09
  Speaker 3: who sky Net.
• 2:14:12
  Speaker 1: Don't you ever do you ever want to date sky Net?
• 2:14:17
  Speaker 3: But I mean you could see the you can see
• 2:14:21
  Speaker 3: why people would want to engage the state relationships and
• 2:14:27
  Speaker 3: relationship because there's no fighting and it's you know, you
• 2:14:33
  Speaker 3: can talk to I mean half half half of being
• 2:14:36
  Speaker 3: a human is conversation. You know, you want to be
• 2:14:39
  Speaker 3: able to have conations with people. If you don't, if
• 2:14:42
  Speaker 3: you're not talking to anybody, it's a really lonely assistance,
• 2:14:45
  Speaker 3: you know what I mean.
• 2:14:47
  Speaker 1: No, I could I yeah, I can understand why they'd
• 2:14:49
  Speaker 1: want to use it, and I could even understand like
• 2:14:51
  Speaker 1: using them therapeutically for people, you know, who maybe have
• 2:14:55
  Speaker 1: been in isolation a long time, or have problems dealing
• 2:14:59
  Speaker 1: with other people, or people who are like highly autistic,
• 2:15:02
  Speaker 1: who might need it to train themselves, like as a
• 2:15:05
  Speaker 1: training model or method. Sure, there's there's all sorts of
• 2:15:08
  Speaker 1: good applications, but there's all these horrible ones, and.
• 2:15:11
  Speaker 3: Those are usually the ones people choose. Unfortunately.
• 2:15:14
  Speaker 1: It's like the Internet. The Internet started out as a
• 2:15:17
  Speaker 1: DARPA project that was going to change everything. We're all
• 2:15:19
  Speaker 1: going to be interconnected, We're going to be exchanging information,
• 2:15:22
  Speaker 1: using it for the best of purposes. And what is
• 2:15:24
  Speaker 1: a majority of it used for porn? So unfortunately, which is.
• 2:15:32
  Speaker 3: Going to be used for and what?
• 2:15:34
  Speaker 1: Unfortunately, and and porn is actually second to the Dark Web,
• 2:15:38
  Speaker 1: so even worse.
• 2:15:40
  Speaker 3: I mean, the robot does not do kegal exercises.
• 2:15:45
  Speaker 1: So yeah, have you ever heard the something I think
• 2:15:47
  Speaker 1: that's interesting? You ever heard the dead Internet theory?
• 2:15:50
  Speaker 3: What's that?
• 2:15:51
  Speaker 1: The dead Internet theory is that the event pretty much
• 2:15:53
  Speaker 1: is already dead, that most of us on here is
• 2:15:56
  Speaker 1: only about ten percent of the entire Internet is active.
• 2:15:58
  Speaker 3: Most of it is just boy and the.
• 2:16:00
  Speaker 1: Dark well and porn in the background, while the rest
• 2:16:05
  Speaker 1: of us, just a little bit of us, keep talking
• 2:16:07
  Speaker 1: that we're actually believe in.
• 2:16:09
  Speaker 5: Oh.
• 2:16:10
  Speaker 1: I don't doubt it. I don't and I don't doubt
• 2:16:12
  Speaker 1: it'll get there eventually, but it is already there.
• 2:16:14
  Speaker 3: I can't, for the life of me figure out this
• 2:16:16
  Speaker 3: whole y t algorithm thing going along here. I mean,
• 2:16:22
  Speaker 3: it's just it's it doesn't make any sense. And when
• 2:16:25
  Speaker 3: you see who shows up, who interacts combined with you know,
• 2:16:31
  Speaker 3: the thousand or so bots that you know, oh yeah,
• 2:16:35
  Speaker 3: oh there are every day. I'm sure news and subscripts, subscribers,
• 2:16:40
  Speaker 3: and and I'm sure Twitter is full of them as well.
• 2:16:43
  Speaker 3: I'm sure there's a ton of fake Facebook profiles out
• 2:16:47
  Speaker 3: there and all kinds of crazy stuff going on, crazy stuff,
• 2:16:53
  Speaker 3: stuff that's like out of the movies. I got, dude,
• 2:16:57
  Speaker 3: I would uh tell this little story and we'll wrap
• 2:16:59
  Speaker 3: it up. I can't believe we've already been talking two hours.
• 2:17:02
  Speaker 3: I mean, god, damn, time fly.
• 2:17:06
  Speaker 1: I know.
• 2:17:08
  Speaker 3: I was listening to this podcast and there there was
• 2:17:11
  Speaker 3: an actor I can't remember his name.
• 2:17:13
  Speaker 1: I think it's.
• 2:17:16
  Speaker 3: Something Libro or something.
• 2:17:18
  Speaker 1: But he's not.
• 2:17:18
  Speaker 3: He's not like a famous actor. He's just like a
• 2:17:20
  Speaker 3: character actor. He's been in a couple of TV shows,
• 2:17:23
  Speaker 3: maybe a couple of movies, very big parts. But something
• 2:17:28
  Speaker 3: happened to him, like during the pandemic where he got
• 2:17:32
  Speaker 3: a message on Instagram from a Chinese Uh, what's the
• 2:17:38
  Speaker 3: what's the p LA over there? People's Liberation Army dissident.
• 2:17:42
  Speaker 6: Yeah, People's Liberation Army.
• 2:17:44
  Speaker 3: Yeah, And he was approached. And what was weird to
• 2:17:48
  Speaker 3: me is that he says the reason that they approached him,
• 2:17:54
  Speaker 3: and this is what they said in their message to him.
• 2:17:56
  Speaker 3: The reason why we've reached out to you is because
• 2:17:59
  Speaker 3: we thought you might And this is weird. He said.
• 2:18:02
  Speaker 3: He was in a car one day in New York
• 2:18:05
  Speaker 3: with his father and they were driving. They were going somewhere,
• 2:18:09
  Speaker 3: and they drove by Harvey Weinstein's house in New York
• 2:18:13
  Speaker 3: and they just pointed it out. You know. The guy
• 2:18:14
  Speaker 3: was like, Hey, that's where Harvey Weinstein lives, you know,
• 2:18:16
  Speaker 3: blah blah blah. Oh really is a nice house, you know,
• 2:18:19
  Speaker 3: blah blah blah, bullshitting.
• 2:18:21
  Speaker 1: And they just kept going on.
• 2:18:23
  Speaker 3: They were having this conversation in the car a guy
• 2:18:25
  Speaker 3: and his father. Okay, this was four years later. This
• 2:18:31
  Speaker 3: Chinese PLA dissident reaches out to this guy on Instagram
• 2:18:35
  Speaker 3: and says, yeah, I heard you. Do you know, Harvey Weinstein?
• 2:18:40
  Speaker 3: We heard you and your father having a conversation about it.
• 2:18:43
  Speaker 3: And the guy was thinking, He's like, what the fuck
• 2:18:45
  Speaker 3: is going on here? That was four years ago. How
• 2:18:49
  Speaker 3: in the actual hell could somebody from China know that
• 2:18:54
  Speaker 3: I had this conversation in my car with my dad
• 2:18:57
  Speaker 3: four years ago? Was he on tik talk? That's one
• 2:19:01
  Speaker 3: way they explained it that everything you do, everything if
• 2:19:08
  Speaker 3: you're around an electronic device is recording everything you do
• 2:19:13
  Speaker 3: and say, and it goes into a vast database.
• 2:19:15
  Speaker 1: I believe it started with Alexa because back in the
• 2:19:17
  Speaker 1: day they had to admit it because they got sued.
• 2:19:19
  Speaker 1: And it's six seconds roughly.
• 2:19:21
  Speaker 3: Yeah, but this is all radios, this is this is
• 2:19:25
  Speaker 3: televisions in your house.
• 2:19:26
  Speaker 1: But the way that they've they've managed to make deals
• 2:19:28
  Speaker 1: with the government is that if you say something, the
• 2:19:31
  Speaker 1: first six seconds of whatever you say, or the first
• 2:19:34
  Speaker 1: six seconds after you're done talking, it can listen to
• 2:19:38
  Speaker 1: and then it can then send that to them so
• 2:19:40
  Speaker 1: they can program it and then.
• 2:19:41
  Speaker 3: Yow, the Chinese somehow hacked this NSA database and could
• 2:19:47
  Speaker 3: search for keywords, you know, like Harvey Weinstein. And they
• 2:19:51
  Speaker 3: hear this guy talking about him, thinks he might know him.
• 2:19:53
  Speaker 1: Then they look him up.
• 2:19:54
  Speaker 3: Oh he's an actor, Well he might have an end
• 2:19:56
  Speaker 3: with this guy. Let's reach out to him and see
• 2:19:58
  Speaker 3: what we can get him to do. And they we're
• 2:19:59
  Speaker 3: trying of getting to meet with these like a billionaire
• 2:20:04
  Speaker 3: spies and all this kind of crazy shit. But you know,
• 2:20:08
  Speaker 3: they were telling him, Hey, you're standing in your kitchen
• 2:20:10
  Speaker 3: right now. You're wearing blue jeans and a white T
• 2:20:13
  Speaker 3: shirt with red shoes on. And he was like, there
• 2:20:17
  Speaker 3: was no cameras in his kitchen, his cell phone was
• 2:20:20
  Speaker 3: in his pocket. The only thing in his kitchen is
• 2:20:23
  Speaker 3: is a turned off television.
• 2:20:25
  Speaker 1: But it's turned off. I mean, you've heard of all
• 2:20:27
  Speaker 1: the reports from those stirts. When they first started releasing
• 2:20:30
  Speaker 1: the new TVs companies got sued because they were doing
• 2:20:33
  Speaker 1: the same thing with that Alexa was doing. It was
• 2:20:36
  Speaker 1: they were listening to bits and pieces of conversation to
• 2:20:39
  Speaker 1: try to figure out what kind of program you want
• 2:20:40
  Speaker 1: to see so that it could become intuitive and no
• 2:20:43
  Speaker 1: before you I mean, that's essentially what all this is.
• 2:20:45
  Speaker 1: It's knowing. They want to know what we think before
• 2:20:48
  Speaker 1: we think, right, It's all based on that. And I'm
• 2:20:53
  Speaker 1: sure you've heard over the years people say it's like
• 2:20:55
  Speaker 1: I was talking about something and then I looked at
• 2:20:57
  Speaker 1: my phone and I got an advert.
• 2:20:59
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 2:21:01
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's what they're doing. And I guarantee intelligence agencies
• 2:21:05
  Speaker 1: have their fingers in it. It's not this is not
• 2:21:07
  Speaker 1: just companies, this is intelligence agencies also benefiting from like
• 2:21:10
  Speaker 1: the NSA.
• 2:21:12
  Speaker 3: Yeah, they sent the FBI to somebody's house because he
• 2:21:15
  Speaker 3: posted something about Diddy parties and they were like, loud,
• 2:21:20
  Speaker 3: you don't have to talk to us if you don't
• 2:21:21
  Speaker 3: want to.
• 2:21:22
  Speaker 1: I mean, he had them on.
• 2:21:22
  Speaker 3: He was filming with his camera and they're like, you
• 2:21:25
  Speaker 3: don't have to talk to us if you don't want to.
• 2:21:26
  Speaker 3: You know, we just we're going around and talking to
• 2:21:29
  Speaker 3: people who've been posting about these Diddy parties and this
• 2:21:32
  Speaker 3: and that. We wanted to see if you had any
• 2:21:34
  Speaker 3: information or are you being paid to post this? And
• 2:21:37
  Speaker 3: why you're posting this? Intimidations going here? You know, how
• 2:21:42
  Speaker 3: do you know what you're doing. You know, well, there
• 2:21:44
  Speaker 3: wasn't everything.
• 2:21:46
  Speaker 1: It's violation of privacy first of all, the right to privacy,
• 2:21:49
  Speaker 1: and then it's an intimidation. Like I mentioned earlier about
• 2:21:53
  Speaker 1: the Patrio, as I told you both, I'm not I didn't.
• 2:21:56
  Speaker 1: I didn't support either candidate. But I would love to
• 2:21:59
  Speaker 1: see tell gabberd is the head of the DNI. Because
• 2:22:03
  Speaker 1: she isn't in the machine, she's not part of the
• 2:22:06
  Speaker 1: intelligence apparatus, she might actually release some things and look
• 2:22:10
  Speaker 1: at some of their programs and end them, like the
• 2:22:13
  Speaker 1: Clear Skies thing that targeted her. So, I mean, think
• 2:22:17
  Speaker 1: about that for a moment. She's a veteran, she's a
• 2:22:20
  Speaker 1: former presidential candidate, former Democratic congress person, and they were
• 2:22:25
  Speaker 1: tracking her. So, like you're saying, they're doing to us
• 2:22:27
  Speaker 1: on our phones, that doesn't surprise me whatsoever. Compared if
• 2:22:31
  Speaker 1: they're doing it to themselves, they're certainly doing it to us.
• 2:22:35
  Speaker 1: If they're tracking us through all of our technology, they're
• 2:22:37
  Speaker 1: certainly doing it to them too, for sure.
• 2:22:40
  Speaker 3: For sure. Yep. Well, Carmine, buddy, it's always a pleasure
• 2:22:45
  Speaker 3: to have you on the show. Always great to be here.
• 2:22:47
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• 2:22:50
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• 2:22:55
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• 2:22:58
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• 2:23:01
  Speaker 3: that's speaking that we talked about. And yes we make
• 2:23:05
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• 2:23:08
  Speaker 3: I think everybody that that's presenting there this year should
• 2:23:14
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• 2:23:16
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• 2:23:30
  Speaker 3: thank you so much for coming on. I said, dude,
• 2:23:33
  Speaker 3: we always have such a blast with you on here,
• 2:23:36
  Speaker 3: and you know it's not the last time we'll have
• 2:23:38
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• 2:23:51
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• 2:23:54
  Speaker 6: Yes, it's always a great conversation. I love how we
• 2:23:58
  Speaker 6: could just talk for two hours twenty minutes plus and
• 2:24:02
  Speaker 6: just have great conversations and I can't wait to your
• 2:24:05
  Speaker 6: on again.
• 2:24:05
  Speaker 1: Sir, me too, And I appreciate you guys having me back,
• 2:24:08
  Speaker 1: and I look forward to the next one. And yeah,
• 2:24:10
  Speaker 1: it was fun as always, and hopefully people got something
• 2:24:13
  Speaker 1: out of our conversation. Hopefully they either got a new
• 2:24:15
  Speaker 1: factor or learn something.
• 2:24:19
  Speaker 3: Well, then, as promised, you know, one minute, Carmine, we're
• 2:24:27
  Speaker 3: gonna dance with Dean Andrews. Okay, get your boogiey shoes on,
• 2:24:34
  Speaker 3: here we go.
• 2:24:35
  Speaker 1: Well, I'll treat it. Listen, have CAATs, I'll treat it.
• 2:24:39
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• 2:24:52
  Speaker 5: In Patty's prison, he did not talk for the record,
• 2:24:56
  Speaker 5: but he said, come to Bourbon Street and I'll show
• 2:24:58
  Speaker 5: you what I think of the case. The greatest lies
• 2:25:24
  Speaker 5: are told in the name of truth. The greatest crimes
• 2:25:26
  Speaker 5: are committed in the name of justice. The quotation is
• 2:25:29
  Speaker 5: Jim Garrison's. It could be used for him or against
• 2:25:32
  Speaker 5: him in this strange case.
• 2:25:34
  Speaker 6: Good night, these guys, have you Briday Night