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ANGELO CANUTO (ENTRE O CRIME E A POLÍCIA) - Podpah _974 · Luke's English Podcast

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Speaker 1: Don't be late, get there together.
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Speaker 2: Don't be late, get there together. Don't be late, get
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Speaker 2: there together.
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Speaker 1: Don't be late, get there together.
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Speaker 3: Don't be late, get there together.
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Speaker 4: Don't be late.
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Speaker 5: Get there together. Get there, my consecrated.
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Speaker 4: Every day can be a super day.
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Speaker 5: Download the app Superbet. Be super.
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Speaker 4: Let's do the following, let's start this program.
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Speaker 3: In the best way possible.
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Speaker 1: Welcome to another Podpá. How are you, Taigão?
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Speaker 5: I'm great.
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Speaker 3: I wanted applause for today.
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Speaker 1: I knew you were going to ask. I gave you
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Speaker 1: two applause before. I'm already....
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Speaker 5: And these claps too, because it's your birthday, but we'll
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Speaker 5: talk about it. We've already talked about it.
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Speaker 1: The clap was even longer today, you saw?
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Speaker 4: Thanks, people. It's because, Mítico, you're an artist, and when
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Speaker 4: you talk, the audience has to applaud.
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Speaker 1: It's true.
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Speaker 5: You're something extraordinary.
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Speaker 1: True, thank you.
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Speaker 5: How are you, brother? I'm fine, thank God, brother.
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Speaker 3: I'm in that mood and it's been a while since
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Speaker 3: I wanted to exchange ideas with him, bro.
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Speaker 5: It's gonna happen, it's gonna happen.
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Speaker 4: Before introducing our wonderful guest, I need to talk about
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Speaker 4: the sponsor of the house.
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Speaker 3: I need to say that you're in a very nice
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Speaker 3: kit too. Stand up there, show it.
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Speaker 1: Look at his kit there.
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Speaker 5: Look, this boot... This boot was a mess. This boot
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Speaker 5: is a mess.
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Speaker 1: If I was in the Copa 2026, I.
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Speaker 5: Would only want to put it like Ronaldinho. Like, the
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Speaker 5: camera would come to me and do like this....
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Speaker 1: I wanted to praise the guy, and you saw his grace.
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Speaker 5: That's it. Brother, are you similar? No, you're a very.
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Speaker 1: Beautiful guy and you deserve all the respect. Thank you.
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Speaker 1: Respect and admiration between brothers is rare these days.
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Speaker 4: Esse é o Mítico Jovem, joga no Google aí, viu? Ó,
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Speaker 4: antes de apresentar o nosso convidado maravilhoso, a gente vai
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Speaker 4: falar do patrocinador aqui da casa, falando de Philips. Essa
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Speaker 4: TV maravilhosa, a TV Ambilight, todos fazem TV, mas só
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Speaker 4: a Philips faz Ambilight TV, porque ela tem LEDs traseiros
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Speaker 4: que dão mais profundidade pro que tá passando na tela.
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Speaker 4: Por exemplo, se você vai jogar videogame, fica ainda melhor. Filmes, séries,
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Speaker 4: tudo fica melhor no Ambilight TV, porque ela deixa... Your environment,
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Speaker 4: your room, even more immersive. Look, Mythic.
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Speaker 5: Look at the color.
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Speaker 1: It's blue.
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Speaker 5: You know?
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Speaker 4: Man, for real. I played video games with Mythic, UFC.
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Speaker 4: Half was blue, half was red. The room was great.
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Speaker 4: You know?
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Speaker 1: So, throw.
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Speaker 3: It's really good, but it also has something that I
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Speaker 3: use a lot in my house, that even.
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Speaker 5: With the TV off, it has an Ambilight button and
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Speaker 5: it gets colored. When you get to the house of
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Speaker 5: the mythical, it's all purple, it's like, wow, mythical.
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Speaker 4: The house of the mythical is crazy.
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Speaker 3: It depends on the day, the.
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Speaker 4: Color of the Ambilight LED. The World Cup is coming,
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Speaker 4: so buy your Ambilight TV, okay? So you can enjoy
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Speaker 4: the games, everything, a lot. Damn, the TV is too good,
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Speaker 4: I like it.
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Speaker 1: Follow them on social media.
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Speaker 3: O lembrando família por favor a gente tem uma comunidade
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Speaker 3: no WhatsApp aí embaixo na descrição se você quer participar
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Speaker 3: quer entrar onde a gente vai contar as novidades e
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Speaker 3: tudo do pode pá tem a loja do pode pá também.
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Speaker 5: E também tem para você se inscrever no pode paquera certo.
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Speaker 3: É verdade e lembrando também que o pode pá exclusivo
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Speaker 3: no Spotify e no YouTube exatamente estamos juntos e vamos
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Speaker 3: que vamos.
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Speaker 4: E Receive with a lot of affection, make a lot
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Speaker 4: of noise for our guest today. He who is a speaker, entrepreneur, actor,
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Speaker 4: our monster. Receive with a lot of affection, Angelo Canuto.
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Speaker 4: And birthday boy of the day.
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Speaker 5: Hi guys.
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Speaker 4: How are you? And my congratulations live here now, my brother.
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Speaker 4: God bless your cycle and your life.
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Speaker 1: Thank you, bro. I'm so happy to be here with you.
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Speaker 1: First of all, I'd like to thank you for the invitation,
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Speaker 1: for being in your presence, and also for being in
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Speaker 1: a chair that was occupied by several people who represent Quebrada.
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Speaker 1: For me, it's such a responsibility.
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Speaker 3: And when you got the invitation, I think that when
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Speaker 3: you looked at it, you said, on my birthday?
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Speaker 1: On my birthday? But the thing is, I'm a guy
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Speaker 1: who works with motivation, right? I work with stories, I
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Speaker 1: have to take the best out of the person, sometimes
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Speaker 1: take the person from the bottom of the hole, the
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Speaker 1: unreliable from life. And when you hear a proposal like that,
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Speaker 1: on your birthday, of you having the dignity to be working,
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Speaker 1: the dignity to be in front of geniuses, guys who
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Speaker 1: transformed the lives of young people, and transform the lives
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Speaker 1: of young people. There are many people who sit here
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Speaker 1: and sometimes don't understand the type of communication you have.
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Speaker 1: Just like there are many people who don't understand my
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Speaker 1: type of communication. where I want to go, and for
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Speaker 1: what reason I speak the way I speak, and for
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Speaker 1: what reason I seek information and transmit this information in
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Speaker 1: the way it has to be. Because our experience is
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Speaker 1: different from all the guys who sat at a table
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Speaker 1: and studied a case. We lived the experience. So when
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Speaker 1: I stop to think about dates, I was 15 years old,
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Speaker 1: without celebrating my birthday with my family, my wedding anniversary,
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Speaker 1: my daughter's birthday, In other words, all the dates that
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Speaker 1: everyone celebrates, that everyone lives happily, I was in a mess. So,
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Speaker 1: for me, if I have a motorcycle raining, it's amen.
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Speaker 1: If I take a bus, it's foggy, amen. And why
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Speaker 1: not say amen to a work proposal, of communication, of
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Speaker 1: bringing information to young people about every moment that we
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Speaker 1: are living, catastrophic in our country, with a sample of
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Speaker 1: the world, or a sample of Brazil, which was the
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Speaker 1: episode that happened in Rio de Janeiro, which is a
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Speaker 1: rehearsal tube, you say this here. It's a test tube
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Speaker 1: of a body called Brazil Infected. So, when you are
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Speaker 1: called on your birthday to exchange an idea and to
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Speaker 1: bring information that can be discarded for a part, but
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Speaker 1: I'm sure that for the majority it will be very
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Speaker 1: well absorbed, and one of the largest communication vehicles in
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Speaker 1: our country, on the internet, and with two genes that
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Speaker 1: communicate with the public that I like to talk to,
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Speaker 1: I shouldn't be here with so much pride and so
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Speaker 1: much happiness. So I gave it to myself as a gift.
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Speaker 1: At 52 years old, it will be marked for my story,
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Speaker 1: for my daughter, for my granddaughters, and for whoever lasts
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Speaker 1: until then, to say.
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Speaker 5: Bro, my gift was very big.
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Speaker 1: Thank you very much for that, my brother.
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Speaker 4: Thank you very.
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Speaker 5: Much for that. Thank you very much, really.
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Speaker 4: I think that when we are similar, we recognize each
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Speaker 4: other very easily. And I wanted to know about your childhood.
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Speaker 4: to know from the beginning how it was, you know?
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Speaker 4: You even mentioned Rio de Janeiro and it was something
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Speaker 4: that I brought in a reflection on Instagram that I
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Speaker 4: said and I even separated the two sides of the war,
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Speaker 4: police and traffic. I was talking about the children who
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Speaker 4: see a body on the ground before they even know
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Speaker 4: how to read. So that leaves traumas and I wanted
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Speaker 4: to know how was your childhood if you saw something
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Speaker 4: like that too?
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Speaker 1: Man, I'm going to make a quote here to answer you.
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Speaker 1: From a movie I watched called... I don't know if
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Speaker 1: I'm going to invert the order here, but... Quanto Vale
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Speaker 1: o É Por Quilo, with Lázaro Ramos. It's a movie,
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Speaker 1: which is a kind of documentary, that brings this reflection.
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Speaker 1: For years, the philanthropy, the behavior of the policeman, the
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Speaker 1: captain of the forest, corruption. So this movie is a classic.
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Speaker 1: that brings a very big reflection that I identify a
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Speaker 1: lot with him and when you talk about young people,
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Speaker 1: what will be the future of these children take me
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Speaker 1: there later on the bus 174 of the guy who
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Speaker 1: was killed in the hands of policemen, suffocated and that
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Speaker 1: everyone normalizes this and that he was also killed that
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Speaker 1: the victim of that guy, at that moment, inside that
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Speaker 1: bus was murdered, was killed in an action Disastrous of
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Speaker 1: the police In the attempt to kill I don't remember
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Speaker 1: the name of that guy If I say, boy, people
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Speaker 1: will say that I'm passing a cloth to a bandit
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Speaker 1: If I say, criminal I'm going against my own principles
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Speaker 1: Because I like to study causes and effects So, from
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Speaker 1: that citizen Because everyone has to be treated as a
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Speaker 1: citizen Regardless of whether you're a bandit or not For
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Speaker 1: those who exercise their democratic state of rights And respect
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Speaker 1: the laws You treat every citizen as a citizen Regardless
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Speaker 1: of your choices A bad policeman is a good policeman,
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Speaker 1: a citizen. A guy who chose to be a bandit,
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Speaker 1: a criminal or not, a citizen. Why do I say that?
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Speaker 1: Because several times I've been in the justice bar and
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Speaker 1: never an authority, never a judge called me a bandit,
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Speaker 1: a marginal or anything else but Mr.
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Speaker 4: Ângelo.
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Speaker 1: Even when it came time to sentence me. So it's
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Speaker 1: just for people to understand. that respect, as they say,
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Speaker 1: is sabotage. Respect is for those who have it. So
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Speaker 1: if I demand respect, it's because I give respect. So
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Speaker 1: talking about this issue of childhood, it reminded me of
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Speaker 1: the 174 bus, which was a very similar action to this,
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Speaker 1: although singular. Policemen on one side, a bus on the other,
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Speaker 1: and a guy with a hostage. Here I like to
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Speaker 1: say that I'm not a linguajar, I'm a son of
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Speaker 1: a bitch, I'm not passing the cloth to the bandit,
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Speaker 1: I'm talking about causes and effects, I'm talking about sociology.
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Speaker 1: No one knew, and many people don't know, that that
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Speaker 1: guy was the victim of the Candelaria massacre, a survivor.
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Speaker 1: Everyone made a noise that is doing the same now.
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Speaker 1: But no one will take care of those kids who
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Speaker 1: are seeing those bodies there, hugged by the mother, hugged
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Speaker 1: by the uncle, even seeing the father, the uncle, the
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Speaker 1: brother dead there. In 20 years, Who knows if this
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Speaker 1: young man will be judged as a bandit again. But
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Speaker 1: nobody will take care of those kids. What are they
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Speaker 1: going to do with that population to get rid of
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Speaker 1: that trauma? And then, bringing relevance to my childhood, my
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Speaker 1: childhood was to go to the field. Today, the soccer
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Speaker 1: fields that we had in Vargas, in the middle of
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Speaker 1: the forest, I'm from Guarnava, I'm from 1973. I'm in
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Speaker 1: the 80s. In 1980, I was 7 years old. From
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Speaker 1: 1980 to 1990, our fun in the favela was to
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Speaker 1: see bodies found, especially at the end of the week. Chacinas,
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Speaker 1: 15 dead guys in one place. 10 there, the guy
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Speaker 1: buried his head down. So let's go down to the
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Speaker 1: field to see. Yeah, it was this fun. And these traumas.
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Speaker 1: But what, the first time you saw, what woke you up?
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Speaker 1: I was curious, like, the first time. I saw it once.
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Speaker 3: I also saw it once in Carapicuíba. I remember, I
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Speaker 3: saw it only two, three.
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Speaker 5: Times, and the first time I saw it was in
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Speaker 5: front of my house, and.
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Speaker 3: I remember that I knew him, he was a drug dealer,
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Speaker 3: he was dating my neighbor. And the first time I
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Speaker 3: saw this, I never forgot, like, the moment I.
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Speaker 1: Left, I said, is it this guy? Is it this guy?
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Speaker 1: I said, fuck.
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Speaker 3: It's dead, it's dead. And I was a child, I said,
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Speaker 3: it's dead, it's gone, it won't come back. No, it
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Speaker 3: was the police.
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Speaker 1: I said, my God. And I never forgot that. I
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Speaker 1: think if I close my eyes, I remember the scene.
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Speaker 1: I remember. I just did that.
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Speaker 3: But I wanted to know, the first time you saw
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Speaker 3: what this caused in you, man.
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Speaker 1: It's traumatizing. It's very, it's shocking, traumatizing. And then, as
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Speaker 1: I usually say, each human being has its individuality. And
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Speaker 1: each one reacts to the cause in their own way.
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Speaker 1: In the future, God willing, at some point this trigger
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Speaker 1: can wake you up. Anything that can interfere with your behavior.
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Speaker 1: I had several triggers, and I have several triggers, including
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Speaker 1: recording the series. I had several triggers because the series
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Speaker 1: is very real, it reports real facts. I did consulting,
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Speaker 1: I acted in several moments on set, and even places,
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Speaker 1: recording here in São Paulo, that I had to stop,
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Speaker 1: talk to my direction, wait a little. I had to
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Speaker 1: think about it. We recorded it near the Billings prison.
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Speaker 1: I had to get the guys from my ghost squad,
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Speaker 1: from the art squad. We went to the edge of
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Speaker 1: the river to exchange ideas for a long time. Because
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Speaker 1: I needed to put out what I lived in that
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Speaker 1: place in real life. To later interpret.
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Speaker 5: Because otherwise you wouldn't be able to.
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Speaker 1: Otherwise I wouldn't be able to unroll. I was very impacted.
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Speaker 1: You can tell us what happened in real life. When
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Speaker 1: the van started to take us there. When I started
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Speaker 1: to enter, I said, it's not possible that this is it.
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Speaker 1: It's not possible that I'm in this place. I started
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Speaker 1: to think about what was happening to me. My hands
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Speaker 1: started to sweat. And I started to think about it.
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Speaker 1: When we go down and prepare everything, prepare the cast,
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Speaker 1: and we understand the continuity of an escape, of a mansion,
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Speaker 1: then we do a recording here, then we do a
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Speaker 1: recording somewhere else. And when I get to that place,
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Speaker 1: she started to give me something. Then I called my
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Speaker 1: assistant of direction number one, Ana Rios. I called Ana
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Speaker 1: Rios and said, Ana, I'm not very cool. I said,
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Speaker 1: in this forest, in this place here, we had a
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Speaker 1: lot of things in real life lived here. And she said,
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Speaker 1: do you want to stop? Don't you want to record?
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Speaker 1: I said, no, I just need some time for me.
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Speaker 1: Then my partners arrived, Alex Nader, Mané, who is Dr. Kleber, Bertac,
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Speaker 1: all this guys, Emerson. I said, man, let's talk there.
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Speaker 1: We went there, we were on the edge of the lake,
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Speaker 1: it was starting to dawn. And then I told what happened.
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Speaker 1: The thing is, more or less like this, so we
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Speaker 1: don't have Our people will say that we are making
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Speaker 1: an apology to crime, and telling the crime, and encouraging
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Speaker 1: the young people. No, it was a reality that I lived,
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Speaker 1: that I could have stayed there. So, to say so,
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Speaker 1: for you to understand, in short, in the world that
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Speaker 1: I lived in, of regional trafficking, certain negotiations incited to
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Speaker 1: become a relative of a family, there, from outside, who
14:43
Speaker 1: sent the toxic to us here, the drug, it was
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Speaker 1: like a arrest, when you paid in advance, then it
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Speaker 1: was in exchange. If the stuff didn't get here, the
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Speaker 1: family would be a hostage, me or this member of
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Speaker 1: the family, or the member of the squad there, would
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Speaker 1: be a hostage until it was paid, because we paid
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Speaker 1: in advance there to receive the stuff here. And on
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Speaker 1: one of these occasions we received something that was not
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Speaker 1: a thing. People have an idea, it would be a
15:04
Speaker 1: base paste, and the base paste was not a base paste,
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Speaker 1: it was a pressed grated banana. When we open and
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Speaker 1: open the stuff, we say, this is crazy. And then
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Speaker 1: I worked with the guys. Then I already called the
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Speaker 1: guys and said, Truta, come here, this thing here is
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Speaker 1: not what we bought. Then, how so? When we got there,
15:21
Speaker 1: we opened the door and put some tachos to cook,
15:24
Speaker 1: which at the time was how you made crack, this
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Speaker 1: shit there. It destroys lives and the business started to
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Speaker 1: bubble and I smelled banana. Scraped banana. Green banana, right?
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Speaker 5: Yes.
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Speaker 1: Then the guy said it was banana.
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Speaker 4: Man.
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Speaker 1: What happens? The partner went there, called on the other
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Speaker 1: side and calling on the other side, he already got
15:43
Speaker 1: down to the guys who were in prison there. All
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Speaker 1: of this is going to traumatize me too. I'm there,
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Speaker 1: I'm a worker, I work with the hands. I start
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Speaker 1: to see that scene, that starts... But it's what I
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Speaker 1: chose to live. But that hurt me, that hurt me.
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Speaker 1: So in these three families, in these three families, two
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Speaker 1: families paid and two garments left. And one garment didn't pay,
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Speaker 1: there was a guy. So this family not having paid,
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Speaker 1: after a long time, this guy doesn't come back to
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Speaker 1: his family either. That's right. And this guy stayed there,
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Speaker 1: in the same place where we recorded. That was in
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Speaker 1: the mid-94s and 95s, brother. In the 80s and 90s,
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Speaker 1: there was... Curucumia.
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Speaker 4: You know very well, I was about to be born,
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Speaker 4: but I saw and read some things. Angelo, I wanted
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Speaker 4: to know why you were talking.
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Speaker 1: So, just so we don't lose, Igor, the closing of
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Speaker 1: this conversation, we had the introduction, development and closing. The
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Speaker 1: closing is the following, brother. We're talking about traumas. And
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Speaker 1: the old guy had chosen this for me. And then working,
16:57
Speaker 1: doing art, cinema, this was traumatic for me, I needed it.
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Speaker 1: And I live recycling, every day I recycle. I recycle
17:05
Speaker 1: in a horn that rings too much behind my car.
17:08
Speaker 1: I recycle myself in a motobar that stops to give
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Speaker 1: an intimation. I recycle myself in a guy who made
17:12
Speaker 1: a joke that I understand as a joke. Once, in
17:15
Speaker 1: a big negotiation, later in the gas station, when I
17:18
Speaker 1: stopped my car, the guy coincidentally supplied the car at
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Speaker 1: the same station as I was. He got out of
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Speaker 1: his car, and talking to me, he hit my car's
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Speaker 1: wheel and said, your car is armored.
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Speaker 5: Where was my mind?
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Speaker 4: It was very far.
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Speaker 1: I went to my house processing that speech, processing that speech,
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Speaker 1: And then I started thinking about the world of honest business. Business, now.
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Speaker 1: But I'm the successor of that time. And the guy
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Speaker 1: told me something like that, but he was curious, my
17:51
Speaker 1: car was beautiful and he wanted to know if my
17:54
Speaker 1: car was armored. But in my mind I said, is
17:56
Speaker 1: he promising me? Because we came from a heavy negotiation.
18:00
Speaker 1: But my mind was looking at that universe. You don't
18:02
Speaker 1: ask someone if his car is armored, you're making a decision,
18:04
Speaker 1: promising me. After a few months, We closed another meeting
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Speaker 1: and we sat down with more people negotiating this. It
18:11
Speaker 1: was the universe of music. And then I said, I
18:14
Speaker 1: was sure you were this guy. He said, what do
18:17
Speaker 1: you mean? Remember that day you hit my car and
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Speaker 1: said my car was armored. That didn't mess with me,
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Speaker 1: I thought you were promising me. And him? A few
18:25
Speaker 1: years ago I was behind you, you weren't even sitting
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Speaker 1: at that table. Because ignorance generates intolerance, Igor. And when
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Speaker 1: I stopped being ignorant and started to improve, My interior,
18:37
Speaker 1: I stopped being intolerant. So I analyze a lot of
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Speaker 1: things before making a decision. How did you stop being ignorant? Study, education.
18:46
Speaker 5: It's the only key, right, brother? It took a long time?
18:48
Speaker 1: It's the only way out. 15 years stored, brother, in
18:50
Speaker 1: the fridge. 15 years when your mother puts you... Stay there,
18:54
Speaker 1: you're not going to school today, but you're going to think.
18:56
Speaker 1: 15 years thinking. 15 years thinking. But 15 years thinking
19:01
Speaker 1: inside hell, brother. It's different from you thinking sitting in
19:03
Speaker 1: your house. That's why Nego says that life as a
19:06
Speaker 1: thief is easy in the most difficult life you have.
19:08
Speaker 1: The price is the freedom of your life. And not
19:10
Speaker 1: to mention that your reputation went to hell. Totally, right?
19:14
Speaker 1: And when I understand that a man has to have
19:15
Speaker 1: a reputation to feel alive, that's what I do every day.
19:20
Speaker 1: I build my reputation and I don't admit that no
19:21
Speaker 1: one reaches it.
19:24
Speaker 4: Very cool, brother. Very cool. And you were talking about
19:27
Speaker 4: your childhood, that the fun of being a child was
19:29
Speaker 4: to see bodies in the field and such.
19:31
Speaker 5: And....
19:34
Speaker 4: I imagine that seeing these situations, these scenes, normalizes a
19:38
Speaker 4: lot of things that a child should not even have
19:40
Speaker 4: contact with. And how did this world start to seduce you?
19:48
Speaker 4: What happened that you chose to commit the crime in
19:55
Speaker 4: your teenage years?
19:57
Speaker 1: Racionais sings in a song called Mundo Mágico de Oz.
20:00
Speaker 1: It's played by Ed Rock. He says that he mirrors
20:03
Speaker 1: who's closest to him. We're back in the reality of
20:07
Speaker 1: young people again. Who will these children reflect on? Revolution, brother,
20:12
Speaker 1: is different from revolt. What the Rio de Janeiro police did,
20:15
Speaker 1: the Rio de Janeiro government did, is not a revolution
20:18
Speaker 1: against crime. The democratic state of law against the parallel state.
20:22
Speaker 1: That is revolt. And when you revolt, you do shit.
20:25
Speaker 1: When you do revolution, revolution is something constructive that will
20:29
Speaker 1: leave a legacy that everyone will talk about revolution. Let's
20:31
Speaker 1: give an example, the revolution of 1932. It left a legacy. Revolt...
20:37
Speaker 1: It's different. Rebellion in my life, all my rebellion, cost
20:40
Speaker 1: me 15 years in jail. Today I make a revolution.
20:43
Speaker 5: The massacre of Carandiru generated the PCC.
20:46
Speaker 1: That is not a revolution, that is a revolt. Cause
20:50
Speaker 1: and effect, organized crime was born. Today things can be
20:53
Speaker 1: born because of Rio de Janeiro. Most likely, from this revolt,
20:56
Speaker 1: a new organization can be born. Young people who lost
20:59
Speaker 1: their uncles, their parents.
21:05
Speaker 4: Why?
21:05
Speaker 1: Because the state will abandon them. It won't treat a
21:08
Speaker 1: young man like that or a family like that that lost.
21:10
Speaker 4: And we can't be hypocrites. More than 130 people died.
21:13
Speaker 4: And let's put it here that all the bandits died.
21:18
Speaker 4: In a straight talk, brother.
21:19
Speaker 1: Tomorrow it's all over.
21:21
Speaker 5: For you to have an idea, in a straight talk.
21:23
Speaker 1: That's it. You say, there's a reposition. There's a guy
21:26
Speaker 1: who wishes that position. I'll give you an example of Marcola.
21:29
Speaker 1: Marcola has been arrested for how many years? More than 30, right?
21:32
Speaker 1: More than 30. It's breaking the law of the thirties,
21:36
Speaker 1: let's put it that way. Yes, thirty years. But we
21:40
Speaker 1: see it easily, we hear the news all the time.
21:43
Speaker 1: Even television is one of the biggest communication vehicles of crime.
21:46
Speaker 1: It propagates all this, it brings the information. And sometimes
21:49
Speaker 1: distorted and potentialized, which leads even more curiosity to the
21:52
Speaker 1: young man. Because he needs to sell likes, he needs
21:55
Speaker 1: to sell audience. So he potentializes a news that was
21:59
Speaker 1: that big. There's a movie too, which is very interesting
22:01
Speaker 1: when I talk about it, it's The Fourth Power. With
22:06
Speaker 1: John Travolta. Quarto Poder. Watch this movie and you'll see.
22:09
Speaker 1: The guy is a disaster there. If I'm not mistaken,
22:12
Speaker 1: he's a doorman of a building, something like that. And
22:15
Speaker 1: inside a bank, a lot of tragedies will happen. And
22:17
Speaker 1: in a little while, what was a rain guard turned
22:19
Speaker 1: into a caliber 12. He already took the bank. The
22:22
Speaker 1: fourth power. Watch this movie too, it's interesting. That brings
22:25
Speaker 1: this reality of the responsibility of the media. For example,
22:29
Speaker 1: I went to a podcast in Rio de Janeiro these days.
22:30
Speaker 1: I gave all the dignity to the guy to change
22:32
Speaker 1: an idea. The guy was a federal penitentiary agent. Let's say,
22:36
Speaker 1: water and oil didn't mix, but I'm neither water nor oil.
22:38
Speaker 1: I'm a human being and I'm socializing with a human being.
22:41
Speaker 1: I bring all the information that I believe will be
22:44
Speaker 1: pertinent and very well used. The guy takes a cut,
22:48
Speaker 1: which is a speech that he asks Buseiro, I say
22:51
Speaker 1: that the democratic state of law, in principle, he has
22:53
Speaker 1: the right to defend himself, it is very premature to
22:55
Speaker 1: say anything. And then he makes an edition and puts
22:59
Speaker 1: an edition like this, ex-prisoner, ex-prisoner, He talks like Buzeira
23:07
Speaker 1: was using organized crime money, or something like that. The
23:13
Speaker 1: first lack of responsibility of this guy. He puts me
23:16
Speaker 1: in the condition of a pilantra. Talking about an equal.
23:22
Speaker 1: What is an equal? A favelado.
23:23
Speaker 5: Almost a kaguita.
23:24
Speaker 1: I come from the same origin as the kid. As
23:26
Speaker 1: he is getting his resources, I daily follow his work
23:28
Speaker 1: on the internet. It's a fucking social work and everything.
23:34
Speaker 1: I was surprised with the news, I was surprised, as
23:36
Speaker 1: everyone was surprised with the news. But it's an interesting thing,
23:40
Speaker 1: we live in a democratic state of law, the boy
23:42
Speaker 1: will respond and must respond. And if he is proven responsible,
23:46
Speaker 1: he will pay, and if he is not, he has
23:47
Speaker 1: to be released. It has to be applied to him,
23:50
Speaker 1: the rigor of the law. So when the guy takes
23:54
Speaker 1: this news and puts it, in theory, he had some
23:57
Speaker 1: kind of involvement.
23:58
Speaker 5: He already judged.
23:59
Speaker 1: He already judged the guy and already put a silhouette
24:01
Speaker 1: on my chest to take a shot in the ass,
24:03
Speaker 1: because I'm a pilantra. When I manifested myself about it,
24:07
Speaker 1: putting him as a dog stealing while the caravans pass,
24:10
Speaker 1: because that's what he deserves. When you talk to a
24:12
Speaker 1: man and he doesn't put himself as a man, you
24:14
Speaker 1: already find out that he's a boy. A beard on
24:15
Speaker 1: the face doesn't represent anything, it's an elegance. What it
24:18
Speaker 1: represents is the posture, you have to be a man.
24:21
Speaker 1: So he's a guy that today, if I give him
24:23
Speaker 1: a replica, I don't bark. Because I'm not a dog,
24:26
Speaker 1: so he's going to be barking his whole life because
24:28
Speaker 1: they put him in this dog barn. Then comes another
24:30
Speaker 1: guy to make a cut on top of the cut
24:31
Speaker 1: and comes to say that I don't understand the Internet roulette.
24:36
Speaker 1: I said, Malandro, I understand very well. It's interesting for
24:38
Speaker 1: you to put something that draws attention for people to
24:40
Speaker 1: go to the content. But you have to be responsible
24:43
Speaker 1: for life. And I preserve life. I don't defend crime.
24:46
Speaker 1: I defend... I preserve the life of the policeman. I
24:49
Speaker 1: don't defend the policeman. I don't defend the bandit, but
24:51
Speaker 1: I preserve his life. I had another interview with another guy, also, authority,
24:56
Speaker 1: on the subject, that insistently he says that the BOP
25:02
Speaker 1: has to kill. So I reproduce through... of culture, so
25:07
Speaker 1: I play a scene for him. I say, okay, the
25:10
Speaker 1: guys are crammed inside a barrack, and look what happened.
25:12
Speaker 1: The first one is not even there for fuck's sake.
25:15
Speaker 1: He's going to go out cutting at his own disposal.
25:17
Speaker 1: What's going to happen to him? He's going to be shot,
25:20
Speaker 1: because what protects the policeman in this action? Legitimate self-defense
25:25
Speaker 1: or another. He was shot. He chose that. It's his
25:28
Speaker 1: code of ethics or the oath that he made, just
25:30
Speaker 1: like the policeman did. Defending society even with the sacrifice
25:33
Speaker 1: of my own life. The bandit makes a vow, because
25:36
Speaker 1: the mother and father say, my son, get out of
25:38
Speaker 1: this life. The woman says, get out of this life.
25:39
Speaker 1: He says, I'm going. It's with me. So he already
25:42
Speaker 1: knows that he has his oath. But what about the
25:43
Speaker 1: other one, who at that moment regretted, threw the rifle,
25:46
Speaker 1: raised his hand? The guy, the interviewee with me says,
25:50
Speaker 1: he has to be shot. We kill. I said, so
25:52
Speaker 1: all right, you kill. But does the justice understand this
25:57
Speaker 1: as a justice? Or is it a lawyer? No, but
26:00
Speaker 1: you have to understand that the police officer is full
26:02
Speaker 1: of emotion. I was trained to be a police officer.
26:04
Speaker 1: I was trained to be a police officer in the
26:06
Speaker 1: second battalion of shock. I was trained to take a
26:08
Speaker 1: stab in the face and not react. So if you
26:11
Speaker 1: are a BOP police officer, the first one to react,
26:14
Speaker 1: you are doing your job. The second one surrendered, what
26:17
Speaker 1: is your job? Come here thief, put the grump and
26:22
Speaker 1: take the guy arrested. To beat, you are above the law.
26:24
Speaker 1: When you are in front of the black cape, you
26:26
Speaker 1: will have to answer. It is even difficult today to
26:29
Speaker 1: understand that the black cape will answer, because recently the
26:31
Speaker 1: guys killed Eduardo's nephew, Tadeu, there in Osho, when he
26:34
Speaker 1: goes out with the package of cookies, because he is
26:36
Speaker 1: a drug user, and the guy, the security, I don't
26:39
Speaker 1: know if the policeman was in the store, But did
26:41
Speaker 1: you see the.
26:42
Speaker 5: Disposition that he went to kill the kid? Eight shots
26:44
Speaker 5: on the kid.
26:44
Speaker 1: Do you know what happened to this guy recently? He
26:46
Speaker 1: was sentenced to two years and a little, under four
26:49
Speaker 1: years of conviction for a guilty homicide. So he didn't
26:51
Speaker 1: see that he was shooting at someone, a guilty homicide?
26:55
Speaker 1: It was guilty, that's it. He was judged and convicted
26:57
Speaker 1: of a guilty homicide. Recently. And it was on his back,
27:00
Speaker 1: if I'm not mistaken.
27:00
Speaker 5: And on his back, beaten, executed.
27:02
Speaker 1: And then when you say that you're going to the
27:05
Speaker 1: justice bar, The justice system, not taking proper action, encourages
27:10
Speaker 1: a lot of police officers who like to kill others.
27:13
Speaker 1: Who have never been a policeman. In fact, he is
27:15
Speaker 1: a frustrated guy who entered a corporation to take revenge
27:17
Speaker 1: on society. Or have his frustrations, or some kind of psychopathy,
27:21
Speaker 1: something that worths it. I don't know how this guy's
27:24
Speaker 1: psychosocial examination didn't detect this psychopathy. Or along his profession,
27:29
Speaker 1: because I understand that the police in São Paulo is
27:31
Speaker 1: also very sick, of so many episodes that happen, as
27:33
Speaker 1: we are talking about trauma, nothing prevents a policeman from
27:36
Speaker 1: suffering a trauma and starts to revive in society in
27:39
Speaker 1: a wrong way, in a criminal way. I think there
27:41
Speaker 1: are many. Many, but no one cares. And then when
27:44
Speaker 1: you're going to talk, you're defending a bandit and you're
27:45
Speaker 1: going against the police. I'm still in favor of science
27:49
Speaker 1: and truth, preserving life. I was arrested with several guys
27:53
Speaker 1: who were crazy, who shouldn't be arrested, they should be
27:56
Speaker 1: in a judicial manicom or in a treatment measure, but
27:58
Speaker 1: not arrested with us, who were blood in the eyes.
28:02
Speaker 5: It's very crazy, right?
28:03
Speaker 4: Brazil has the police that kills the most and dies
28:05
Speaker 4: the most. And no one wants to change that.
28:09
Speaker 1: This is a lack of governance, brother. The police that
28:12
Speaker 1: kills the most, the police that dies the most. So
28:15
Speaker 1: if they kill the most, it's bad, they can't kill.
28:17
Speaker 1: And if they die the most, they can't either. This
28:19
Speaker 1: is bad. What do we have to have? Management. Let's detect.
28:22
Speaker 1: I gave a lecture in France now, at Sciences Po,
28:25
Speaker 1: at a seminar.
28:27
Speaker 5: 16 authorities....
28:31
Speaker 1: In political and sociology sciences, in Sciences Po, where Sarkozy studied,
28:35
Speaker 1: the greatest ministers of Europe, especially of France. They study
28:42
Speaker 1: to formulate laws from stories like mine and from the
28:46
Speaker 1: stories of their country, of the people there from their country.
28:50
Speaker 1: They study this to make a report that goes to
28:53
Speaker 1: the hand of the legislator to formulate laws. Como que
28:56
Speaker 1: a gente formula a lei aqui? O pessoal vai pra rua,
28:58
Speaker 1: faz manifestação, ou alguém grita, um deputado vai lá desinformado,
29:01
Speaker 1: sem qualquer tipo de estudo, mas atendendo a um grito,
29:04
Speaker 1: e promulga uma lei. Mas não entende que essa lei
29:07
Speaker 1: tem causas e efeitos. Não há estudo pra se fazer. Então, hoje,
29:12
Speaker 1: tantas desinformações que acabam... A congressman takes that misinformation and
29:17
Speaker 1: wants to legislate about it. But he doesn't legislate on
29:20
Speaker 1: the basis of the sociologist, the study, the science, the research.
29:24
Speaker 1: Recently we had a government that didn't invest in research
29:27
Speaker 1: and that sociology, philosophy, for him, was nothing. Look at
29:29
Speaker 1: the result.
29:30
Speaker 4: He released khaki.
29:31
Speaker 1: I'm not even there, man. The guy likes khaki and
29:35
Speaker 1: the other... I know what the weight is. I know
29:36
Speaker 1: the addiction is to have weapons. I want a gun distance.
29:42
Speaker 1: Because it's addictive. This shit gets in the way. You
29:44
Speaker 1: think it's powerful. How many super heroes are there? Look
29:47
Speaker 1: at the delegate's husband. He killed Garima. Is there a
29:53
Speaker 1: judge to have a gun like that?
29:54
Speaker 4: In Rio de Janeiro, recently, a delivery man from Air
29:56
Speaker 4: Food took a shot in the foot. Because he didn't
29:59
Speaker 4: want to go up, and it's not even his fault.
30:02
Speaker 5: What happened to this guy?
30:04
Speaker 4: We see in the United States that the gun inside
30:06
Speaker 4: the house, the child finds it and kills himself. In
30:09
Speaker 4: a fight between man and woman, the guy pulls the
30:13
Speaker 4: gun and kills the woman. There are people who drink
30:17
Speaker 4: and have.
30:18
Speaker 5: Guns at home.
30:19
Speaker 1: Brother, you talked about a very interesting episode. I made
30:22
Speaker 1: a bar, I created a bar in Guaianaz, where I
30:25
Speaker 1: was born and raised. A big hug to the guys
30:27
Speaker 1: from Guaianaz. Guaianaz, that's crazy. So I had set up
30:30
Speaker 1: a bar there. And in this bar came a guy
30:33
Speaker 1: who was a big fan of my work, a big
30:35
Speaker 1: fan of my ideas. And he was a friend of
30:38
Speaker 1: a guy who recorded the series with us, Leo Ferrugio.
30:43
Speaker 1: In the series it was Ferrugio Leonardo, from Morro Doce.
30:48
Speaker 1: Rafa Cortes' partner, the Brazilian National Team's hair-cutter, a great guy.
30:52
Speaker 1: He was on the show with us. And he had
30:53
Speaker 1: a friend who said, I'm a fan of this guy.
30:54
Speaker 1: He said, no, the guy recorded with me, let's go
30:56
Speaker 1: to his bar. This guy came. He entered my bar,
31:00
Speaker 1: because of my partner working with me. So there was that, no,
31:04
Speaker 1: he's with me, let's go. In this, he's with me,
31:07
Speaker 1: let's go, when he arrived in my dressing room, he
31:09
Speaker 1: was armed with a.
31:10
Speaker 5: 380.
31:10
Speaker 1: And he with his head, I call it a charrette noise,
31:15
Speaker 1: his judge is bad. Charrette noise. Charrette noise, bro. You
31:18
Speaker 1: can keep this one, the guy stays with his head,
31:20
Speaker 1: it's a shit, it's going to work, bro. And when
31:22
Speaker 1: I'm talking to him there, he starts talking about his traumas,
31:25
Speaker 1: he was in a state of deep depression. And armed,
31:27
Speaker 1: and several times he said, my dream was to talk
31:29
Speaker 1: to you, I've tried to kill myself, I've thought about
31:32
Speaker 1: killing myself, but for you, no. I said, then take
31:34
Speaker 1: this opportunity. He said, do you like me? I like it.
31:38
Speaker 1: Do you like the straight talk?
31:39
Speaker 5: I like it.
31:39
Speaker 1: You've already made a mistake of being armed here, man.
31:43
Speaker 1: But you don't need to go there and leave it
31:45
Speaker 1: with security or anything, stay with her there, calm down.
31:47
Speaker 1: Let's talk about it there. And then he said, in short,
31:51
Speaker 1: I told him to do the following, when you get home,
31:53
Speaker 1: you put a padlock in this gun and give the
31:54
Speaker 1: key to someone. Don't touch it, you're not prepared for that.
31:58
Speaker 1: And then he went on, I'm Kaka, I'm this and that.
32:01
Speaker 1: I have, I can take so many guns. Years later,
32:05
Speaker 1: years later, no, a few months later, actually, I have
32:09
Speaker 1: the news that this guy committed suicide. He hit his girlfriend,
32:13
Speaker 1: thought he had gone beyond the aggression, maybe caused the
32:18
Speaker 1: death of the girl. And in a state of deep depression,
32:21
Speaker 1: he goes home. With what did he kill himself? With
32:23
Speaker 1: the neighbor's gun?
32:24
Speaker 5: No, where is he?
32:25
Speaker 4: He's inside the house. Look, the myth knows. Obviously, I'm
32:29
Speaker 4: not going to say names, but we know some people
32:31
Speaker 4: who are cacos, who have guns. And we've seen these
32:33
Speaker 4: people inside their own intimacy, inside their car or.
32:36
Speaker 5: Inside their house.
32:41
Speaker 4: The weapon where it shouldn't be, the weapon under the leg,
32:43
Speaker 4: and I'm like, but why are you with the weapon
32:46
Speaker 4: under the leg? No, because if you come, but no,
32:49
Speaker 4: but why.
32:50
Speaker 1: Are you in this energy, bro? Why?
32:52
Speaker 4: Attracting. We're like, we're going to enjoy a thing, why
32:55
Speaker 4: are you with a revolver under your thigh, bro?
32:57
Speaker 1: A million.
32:57
Speaker 5: We're laughing here, you don't have to.
33:00
Speaker 4: So the person is already there, gives a unnecessary power
33:03
Speaker 4: to that person, and that person is not prepared to.
33:08
Speaker 4: A firearm. A firearm is not to mash potatoes, right?
33:12
Speaker 5: A firearm is to pierce another body.
33:15
Speaker 1: So I think.
33:16
Speaker 4: This is crazy, I think it's very harmful to people
33:20
Speaker 4: who come and defend the idea of having a gun. Ah,
33:23
Speaker 4: but what are you going to do? Brother, education, this
33:25
Speaker 4: has already been proven by the wrong right, which is
33:29
Speaker 4: education that saves. But Angelo, going back to the question,
33:32
Speaker 4: what was it that was closest to you, that you
33:35
Speaker 4: even mentioned, the song of Racionais, what was closer for
33:38
Speaker 4: you to get inspired there?
33:40
Speaker 5: What did you have until that moment of your adolescence?
33:42
Speaker 1: Man, to summarize, for the people to understand, I was
33:46
Speaker 1: born and raised in Guaraná, I'm a brother of more
33:48
Speaker 1: than five brothers, each one a son of a father,
33:51
Speaker 1: I'm the oldest son, my mother was 17 years old
33:54
Speaker 1: when she had me, and my father, when he got pregnant,
33:57
Speaker 1: my mother abandoned him. So I can't say that father
33:59
Speaker 1: was a relationship that she had, suddenly, casually with someone,
34:02
Speaker 1: a 17-year-old girl, that if today the girls are still
34:04
Speaker 1: lacking information, imagine back in my time. I was born
34:07
Speaker 1: in 1973. So, let's say that I was born in
34:09
Speaker 1: October of 1973. So, in the beginning of 1973, my
34:13
Speaker 1: mother got pregnant with me. And she was abandoned. Then,
34:18
Speaker 1: my mother has two more children in a relationship, in
34:20
Speaker 1: a marriage. My brother, who died of cancer at the
34:23
Speaker 1: age of 43, André. And Angela, who is also a
34:25
Speaker 1: police officer and lives in the United States. She is
34:27
Speaker 1: no longer a police officer, because I, with her procuration,
34:28
Speaker 1: went there and asked for her exoneration. Because she lives
34:31
Speaker 1: in the United States today with her family and changed
34:33
Speaker 1: her life. Then, I have my sister... I have my sister, Andrea,
34:39
Speaker 1: and then in a terrible condition of life, extreme misery
34:42
Speaker 1: that we lived, my mother was pregnant again, my sister
34:45
Speaker 1: was born in the hospital bed and was donated, because
34:49
Speaker 1: another lady, we did the good, I don't know if
34:52
Speaker 1: we did the bad for us at that moment, but
34:54
Speaker 1: even today this impacts us, but we understand that it
34:57
Speaker 1: was a gesture of love too, even from my aunt,
34:58
Speaker 1: although the daughter was not from my aunt, the daughter
35:01
Speaker 1: was from my mother, But in the face of all
35:03
Speaker 1: the misery that we talk about, people talk a lot.
35:06
Speaker 1: Everyone could condemn, but no one lived what we were living.
35:09
Speaker 5: Extreme misery.
35:10
Speaker 1: Extreme misery. Living on rent and not even having the
35:12
Speaker 1: conditions to pay the rent. Do you see your mother
35:16
Speaker 1: being beaten because she was very beautiful by the owner
35:20
Speaker 1: of the house? For you to understand that you will
35:23
Speaker 1: guarantee another month of life if my mother lies down
35:25
Speaker 1: with the guy? Is that a joke? She was a boy, man.
35:28
Speaker 1: I don't understand that. It's almost like a veiled prostitution, man.
35:34
Speaker 1: It was just giving you hate there. These things feed, man.
35:35
Speaker 1: So when the guy is going to change an idea,
35:37
Speaker 1: he will never understand my talk, man. He didn't live
35:39
Speaker 1: what I lived. Never. And I'm not even worried if
35:42
Speaker 1: he will understand. My information is not for him, it's
35:44
Speaker 1: for someone.
35:46
Speaker 4: Else.
35:46
Speaker 1: He will arrive at one time.
35:48
Speaker 5: Exactly.
35:48
Speaker 1: Exactly. Got it? So, after that, my sister was donated.
35:53
Speaker 1: Then another sister was born, Aline. She is a civil firefighter,
35:57
Speaker 1: my little chodó. Right? It's Juninho Clay, right? She's a
36:00
Speaker 1: thousand degrees, my sister. No, he's a cool little boy.
36:04
Speaker 1: If I were single, I would say that I lost
36:06
Speaker 1: it for her easily. She takes it easier than me.
36:08
Speaker 1: And she's the love of my life, my sister. And
36:10
Speaker 1: you see, a pregnancy before, we were miserable and had
36:13
Speaker 1: to give my daughter, my sister. And in the other pregnancy,
36:15
Speaker 1: she stayed with us, because a daughter gives more or less,
36:18
Speaker 1: a plate gives more or less, bro. But we were
36:24
Speaker 1: created in this context, separated. I lived with my grandmother,
36:27
Speaker 1: with my aunt, with a neighbor. Neighbors wanted to adopt
36:31
Speaker 1: me because I was a cool boy. But I'm adopted
36:34
Speaker 1: living on the street. I'm from Guaraná, I'm very popular
36:36
Speaker 1: because I lived in several villages in Guaraná. And when
36:40
Speaker 1: I got there, from 17 to 18 years old, I
36:41
Speaker 1: always liked to study. My grandmother always kept me in school.
36:45
Speaker 1: And my dream was to be a soccer player. I
36:47
Speaker 1: did Peneira in Portuguese, I passed it. But I didn't
36:50
Speaker 1: follow up in Portuguese because they reformed the train stations
36:53
Speaker 1: and there was no way to stop the station anymore.
36:55
Speaker 1: Stopping is jumping with the truck. Jumping with the truck. So,
36:58
Speaker 1: jump a wall and stuff. He's old, bro. He knows
37:01
Speaker 1: what stopping is, you know? Then, bro, the guys reformed
37:04
Speaker 1: the stations and I couldn't stop the station anymore. And
37:08
Speaker 1: then I start selling candy on the train. I make
37:10
Speaker 1: camelô to help in the balance inside the house. And
37:14
Speaker 1: I also know the urban violence. It was between us
37:17
Speaker 1: and the kids. It was the time of pivots. I
37:19
Speaker 1: didn't take pivots off. I was on the verge of
37:22
Speaker 1: taking pivots off, but I took them off with the
37:24
Speaker 1: kids to defend myself. To have space there. Yes, to
37:28
Speaker 1: have space. And I grew up in this context. But
37:30
Speaker 1: always studying. But you learned a lot.
37:32
Speaker 4: The people don't know how the street works. You're not
37:34
Speaker 4: even talking about banditry.
37:35
Speaker 1: No, that's the law of survival. There's a very old
37:38
Speaker 1: movie from the old days, which is Pichote, the law
37:41
Speaker 1: of the weakest. That's what I was going to say,
37:44
Speaker 1: there were things that you lived there that you learned,
37:46
Speaker 1: that you use until today. On the street, until today.
37:50
Speaker 1: That's the thing that you're going to understand, Mítico. When
37:53
Speaker 1: I'm there reaching the majority of 18 years old, I'm
37:56
Speaker 1: already in the eighth series, concluding the eighth series, the
38:01
Speaker 1: guy that I played for the Varza team in Quebrada,
38:03
Speaker 1: who didn't have a criminal organization at that time, a faction,
38:05
Speaker 1: but there was a guy who was the bravest guy
38:07
Speaker 1: that he sent from Guaraná to lose sight of. And
38:09
Speaker 1: he was the reference, he was the guy from Papo Reto.
38:12
Speaker 1: It was the guy that any guy who would run
38:13
Speaker 1: a race would consult him. He was an expert in
38:16
Speaker 1: the barata. And the guy, for fuck's sake. And he
38:18
Speaker 1: was from the traffic. And he was always the guy
38:21
Speaker 1: who directed me. Come here, boy. Proceed. Straight talk. Look
38:27
Speaker 1: in the eye. Those things that I needed to have
38:28
Speaker 1: a father to educate me inside the house, I learned
38:31
Speaker 1: on the street. And all the festive dates, commemorative, for example,
38:33
Speaker 1: my birthday, he gave me a change of clothes. Especially
38:37
Speaker 1: at the end of the year. I remember very well
38:41
Speaker 1: the last gift he gave me when I was a pivete.
38:43
Speaker 1: It was a Hangler pants. That black Commander boot. And
38:48
Speaker 1: a shirt, I don't remember there. But I stayed... That
38:49
Speaker 1: kit is only at the end of the week. Passed there, saved.
38:53
Speaker 1: To use that there. And to go to school sometimes when.
38:57
Speaker 5: And something that you wanted... It was a dream.
39:00
Speaker 1: It was a dream. It's a very simple thing today.
39:02
Speaker 1: So that fed me. When I reach more or less
39:05
Speaker 1: this majority, he comes to me and says like this, bro.
39:09
Speaker 1: I asked him if he was brave enough to go
39:11
Speaker 1: to the police. I looked at him and got scared.
39:13
Speaker 4: I asked him if he was brave.
39:15
Speaker 1: Enough to go to the police. He didn't answer me
39:18
Speaker 1: if he was brave enough or not. He put something
39:20
Speaker 1: inside my head that happens a lot to young people today.
39:22
Speaker 1: And the internet shows this to young people today indirectly.
39:25
Speaker 1: The same proposal that I received there, directly, today it
39:28
Speaker 1: happens indirectly on the internet. I'm going to make you rich.
39:33
Speaker 1: It's installed in my mind, man. What is making you rich?
39:36
Speaker 1: Fuck this path, I want to be rich. And then
39:40
Speaker 1: he says, you're going to do this and that. When
39:42
Speaker 1: I form myself, the first year, the first fundamental teaching,
39:44
Speaker 1: from the first to the eighth series, I apply for
39:48
Speaker 1: a public contest, he gives me the whole way, I applied,
39:49
Speaker 1: I apply for a public contest, I pass all the
39:51
Speaker 1: stages of the public process, but I am rejected in
39:55
Speaker 1: the septum deviation. I had to do a surgery. He
39:58
Speaker 1: was not so entrepreneurial, but he was entrepreneurial with the
40:01
Speaker 1: idea of being rich in my head. I enter
40:03
Speaker 1: a company, look, I knew the path of honesty, but
40:05
Speaker 1: I am seduced by that proposal of being rich. I
40:08
Speaker 1: enter a company to work at Dinsa Muxi to assist
40:11
Speaker 1: in shipping. I work to assist in shipping, four months
40:13
Speaker 1: later I have the right to use the health plan
40:16
Speaker 1: for the surgery. I do the septal deflection surgery. When
40:18
Speaker 1: I recover, I start to go to the company and
40:21
Speaker 1: apply for the public contest. I make the transition. When
40:24
Speaker 1: I pass the public contest, you see, the two times
40:27
Speaker 1: I applied, the two times I passed directly. When I
40:29
Speaker 1: did the exam, I already showed the doctor that I
40:30
Speaker 1: had septal deflection and I did the correction and it's done.
40:32
Speaker 1: He said, apt. I'll go to the police. I go there,
40:36
Speaker 1: I break my arm and show him, look, I entered.
40:37
Speaker 1: He said, what do you mean? I passed. He didn't
40:41
Speaker 1: say he was going to get rich. He said, man,
40:42
Speaker 1: this is foda. And then I said, February 24, 1993,
40:45
Speaker 1: I'm going to go to the police. Damn, you don't forget.
40:49
Speaker 1: I don't forget the date. I start the process. I
40:52
Speaker 1: do four months in Pirituba. And then, after four months,
40:55
Speaker 1: I went to the second shock battalion. My classification, my
40:57
Speaker 1: edict was second shock. I chose the second shock battalion
41:00
Speaker 1: because I loved football and I love football. So much
41:03
Speaker 1: so that I'm a football player. My dream was to
41:05
Speaker 1: be a football player. And when I enter the proposal
41:07
Speaker 1: to the police, which was another path, which was to
41:09
Speaker 1: the way of crime and to get rich, even so,
41:11
Speaker 1: I want to stay close to football. I chose the
41:13
Speaker 1: second shock battalion, which is the sports square. The squad
41:16
Speaker 1: of players, stadium and such, these things. And the CDC,
41:18
Speaker 1: which is the Civil Disturbance Control, which is one of
41:21
Speaker 1: the activities of the shock. The secondary activity of the
41:23
Speaker 1: shock is the sports square. But the primary activity is
41:26
Speaker 1: the control of urban civil distribution. Because the rural guerrilla
41:30
Speaker 1: is the second... Rural. The urban guerrilla is the third
41:35
Speaker 1: shock battalion. And the second shock battalion was the rural guerrilla.
41:38
Speaker 1: So much that we did reintegration of positions in the interior. Getulina, Bauru,
41:41
Speaker 1: all these things. Reintegration of positions here in São Paulo.
41:44
Speaker 1: I went to reintegration of positions. With a shield and
41:47
Speaker 1: throwing bombs. And it reminded me of when we were
41:50
Speaker 1: occupying a piece of land. From both sides. Living on
41:52
Speaker 1: both sides always.
41:54
Speaker 5: In my childhood, my memory as a policeman.
41:56
Speaker 1: Was me on the other side, a boy throwing stones
41:59
Speaker 1: at the shield. Look what a return life gives me.
42:00
Speaker 1: What was your feeling holding the shield? What am I
42:04
Speaker 1: doing here?
42:05
Speaker 5: And when I entered Osgoma? To go in search. What
42:16
Speaker 5: do you mean?
42:17
Speaker 1: A house like mine.
42:18
Speaker 5: 6 am, step on the door and get out.
42:20
Speaker 1: A house like mine, only water in the fridge. The
42:23
Speaker 1: bed with a wooden floor. Smell of moss. It was
42:28
Speaker 1: the same reality I lived. But my reality started to
42:30
Speaker 1: change and to be different from that one. Because it
42:33
Speaker 1: wasn't because of the police. It was because of the crime.
42:36
Speaker 1: Because in the crime, in the police I earned R
42:38
Speaker 1: $ 400 in salary. In the crime I earned R $ 5, 000
42:39
Speaker 1: in a day, in a race. How was the first
42:41
Speaker 1: race of the crime? Do you remember? I can't even remember.
42:45
Speaker 1: The first race. But one of the most remarkable, because
42:50
Speaker 1: I won 5, 10 to do some races there, São
42:51
Speaker 1: Paulo and such. But one of the most remarkable was
42:54
Speaker 1: when I took a legal quota to Baixada Santista, that
42:56
Speaker 1: I won, if I'm not mistaken, between 30 and 40
42:58
Speaker 1: thousand reais. On a trip?
42:59
Speaker 5: On a trip.
42:59
Speaker 1: And go back with the money. I went down with
43:02
Speaker 1: about 50 kilos of stuff. When the money fell, what
43:04
Speaker 1: did you do? The money didn't fall, the money came
43:05
Speaker 1: in the package, brother. A box of shoes. And what
43:08
Speaker 1: was the plan, for example? It's to buy a house, brother.
43:15
Speaker 1: To live, to have dignity. To buy clothes.
43:17
Speaker 3: To live.
43:18
Speaker 1: To live, bro. To go to the McDonald's. Things that
43:24
Speaker 1: kids dream, bro. Everything that these kids dream, I dreamed, bro.
43:26
Speaker 1: It just happened at a different time, bro.
43:28
Speaker 5: And how was the talk of.
43:30
Speaker 4: You're going to go to the police and you're... But
43:33
Speaker 4: how do I help you in there?
43:36
Speaker 1: Inside the police?
43:37
Speaker 3: Yeah.
43:38
Speaker 1: You go to the police. You're going to get rich.
43:41
Speaker 1: I go to the bank with the older guys. Look,
43:43
Speaker 1: we don't need to take a thing to such and
43:45
Speaker 1: such place. Who will take it safely and come back safely?
43:47
Speaker 1: A policeman. That was the plan. But then, between the transport,
43:52
Speaker 1: actions start to appear. The guys call a guy and say, man,
43:56
Speaker 1: we're going to get a bank there and we need
43:58
Speaker 1: to have a policeman to take the weapons to you,
44:00
Speaker 1: to bring the money and bring the weapons back. And
44:02
Speaker 1: then I have to sit with the guys to exchange
44:04
Speaker 1: an idea. When I sit to exchange an idea with
44:06
Speaker 1: the guys, I say, man, will you give me freedom,
44:08
Speaker 1: my man? He says, okay, say, how is it going
44:09
Speaker 1: to be? Let's do it like this, which is better.
44:12
Speaker 1: I'll put the radio here, monitor from here, we go
44:14
Speaker 1: out here, we go out there and that's it. I
44:16
Speaker 1: go to the bank, I'm going to study before, I
44:18
Speaker 1: went to the bank, looked at everything right and said, no,
44:20
Speaker 1: we're going to get different. The plant was chewed, when
44:22
Speaker 1: we were leaving, there was robbery in progress and we
44:24
Speaker 1: were already far away.
44:26
Speaker 5: You were there for 20.
44:26
Speaker 4: Years, right?
44:27
Speaker 1: Because we applied the police techniques, the police intelligence on
44:29
Speaker 1: the bad side.
44:30
Speaker 5: You with 20 years there, did you know the risk
44:32
Speaker 5: you were running?
44:33
Speaker 1: Total.
44:33
Speaker 4: Did you know?
44:34
Speaker 5: The leather is the same, man.
44:35
Speaker 1: My leather is the same as yours. Because it's very crazy, right?
44:40
Speaker 4: You were inside the corporation and.
44:42
Speaker 1: If you're a cop and you don't know if you're
44:44
Speaker 1: going back home, imagine being both of them. Wow.
44:45
Speaker 5: You're all over the place, huh?
44:49
Speaker 1: In risk, bro. Wow, bro. In the presence of a
44:51
Speaker 1: partner of yours, if I find you and kill you,
44:53
Speaker 1: do you think that everyone who is in the mausoleum there,
44:58
Speaker 1: in Ibirapuera, were real occurrences of death followed by resistance,
45:02
Speaker 1: in a shootout and died? Several brothers there are on
45:05
Speaker 1: file burn. File burn because they were in the presence
45:08
Speaker 1: of denouncing a squadron of death, Archive burning because he
45:12
Speaker 1: was in a hurry to report the guys he was hitting.
45:14
Speaker 1: Archive burning because suddenly the guy was dating the other woman.
45:18
Speaker 1: It's crazy, man. Not everything that lights up is gold.
45:21
Speaker 1: But how long did you stay there? Four and a
45:22
Speaker 1: half years in the police. Dude, a lot of things happened.
45:26
Speaker 1: I entered in 1997 and was expelled in... I entered
45:28
Speaker 1: in 93 and was expelled in 97. You were expelled
45:33
Speaker 1: for what reason? For extortion through kidnapping. tráfico de drogas,
45:40
Speaker 1: guerra do tráfico. Eu fico preso sete meses no Romão Gomes,
45:44
Speaker 1: o processo não prospera porque era todo mundo do mesmo bolo,
45:47
Speaker 1: e aí eu sou absolvido porque só teve audiência The
45:52
Speaker 1: primary hearing, the first hearing in the police station, then
45:55
Speaker 1: the instruction hearing, and no one else showed up.
45:56
Speaker 3: That first time you were arrested, when you were arrested,
45:59
Speaker 3: how did you get there? Did you already expect that?
46:01
Speaker 3: Did you say, that's it, let's go?
46:03
Speaker 1: I fall in a flagrant, man, at any moment, any
46:05
Speaker 1: shit you were doing, but I never imagined that I
46:07
Speaker 1: would fall in that B.O., at that moment. Because it
46:10
Speaker 1: was a traffic war, the guys had stolen our plane,
46:12
Speaker 1: stolen our drugs, and we started to discover, we started
46:14
Speaker 1: to go after, and we took the guys, the family
46:16
Speaker 1: of the guys. When we start to negotiate to return
46:19
Speaker 1: our stuff, I fall into the hands of the police,
46:21
Speaker 1: but I fall into the hands as if I were
46:23
Speaker 1: kidnapping family members of traffickers to be able to demand value,
46:27
Speaker 1: to get something. But in fact, the guy had stolen
46:28
Speaker 1: our plane when it landed, our drug when it landed. Man,
46:31
Speaker 1: what a mess. And then in São Paulo, everyone knows everyone,
46:33
Speaker 1: we started to turn around. At that time there was
46:35
Speaker 1: no organized crime. It was the respect of breaking. And
46:38
Speaker 1: then we had to go to the mustache, we had
46:39
Speaker 1: to go to the burst. And then you were caught.
46:42
Speaker 1: Then I was caught in flagrant with the guy's family
46:44
Speaker 1: in hand. How was that experience of being arrested?
46:47
Speaker 3: People were saying you weren't a police officer.
46:51
Speaker 1: I went to the prison of Romão Gomes. I spent
46:53
Speaker 1: 7 months in the prison of Romão Gomes. Which is
46:55
Speaker 1: a police prison. I was released in January 1998. I
46:56
Speaker 1: was arrested on the 11th of June 1997, at dawn.
47:00
Speaker 1: And I was released only after I was released from
47:03
Speaker 1: this process, which was a war between us, there was
47:06
Speaker 1: no more evidence. But six months later, in August of 1998,
47:15
Speaker 1: the Public Prosecutor's Office turned to me and sentenced me
47:17
Speaker 1: to 8 and a half years in prison. I put
47:20
Speaker 1: my foot down and ran away. I'm looking for someone,
47:23
Speaker 1: I'm not going to knock on the door of the
47:26
Speaker 1: jail to get in. Because it's hard to deal with freedom,
47:29
Speaker 1: freedom is a very expensive price, freedom is very good,
47:31
Speaker 1: so it's hard for you to give yourself up, I'm
47:33
Speaker 1: giving myself up, it's a very difficult decision. And when
47:37
Speaker 1: I get to the bachada to run, I leave my
47:39
Speaker 1: family in São Paulo. I go to my home, because
47:41
Speaker 1: I have to bring my wife to my side, my
47:43
Speaker 1: daughter to my side. Regardless of whether I have a
47:45
Speaker 1: crazy life or not, I have a responsibility, I have
47:46
Speaker 1: a wife, I have a son, I have to take
47:47
Speaker 1: care of him. And when I structure myself at the bachada,
47:50
Speaker 1: I take my family. But my wife is always armed
47:52
Speaker 1: with everything. My daughter is in a good school, my
47:54
Speaker 1: wife is the housewife, and I have a crazy life
47:57
Speaker 1: on the street. And only in 2001, February 18, 2001,
47:59
Speaker 1: I am recaptured. But in this interim, from 1998 to 2001,
48:03
Speaker 1: I was already in charge of a good part of
48:06
Speaker 1: the bachada, because what is commanding? I already had a
48:09
Speaker 1: very large relationship with several hands and I had good business. So,
48:13
Speaker 1: doing good business, you end up assuming almost a leadership position.
48:19
Speaker 1: But the capital gives you a lot of strength.
48:21
Speaker 4: Man, you told me something that came to me as
48:23
Speaker 4: a question. At that moment when you were in charge
48:26
Speaker 4: of a good part of the coast of São Paulo,
48:30
Speaker 4: you're kind of with a giant X on your back,
48:33
Speaker 4: being able to die at any moment, but it's not
48:36
Speaker 4: necessarily you who commands drug trafficking in that region.
48:42
Speaker 1: There I am a supplier and there is a guy
48:44
Speaker 1: who commands only broken, another commands loose, another commands.
48:47
Speaker 4: The one who really commands is not there, right?
48:49
Speaker 1: Brother, in fact, this matter of commanding, I can even
48:52
Speaker 1: tell you that it is a kind of abstract thing,
48:53
Speaker 1: because the power is ours. If I send it from here,
48:57
Speaker 1: you send it from there, and something wrong happens, we
48:59
Speaker 1: will unite to fix this mess or put the leather
49:01
Speaker 1: to eat. But I send it to my piece, you
49:04
Speaker 1: send it to yours. It's like the states, each one
49:06
Speaker 1: has its own states. But if the thing is good
49:09
Speaker 1: or bad and is hitting all of us, we will
49:11
Speaker 1: sit down to find the best way. That's when I
49:13
Speaker 1: say that in São Paulo crime was organized because of that.
49:17
Speaker 1: Oppression on the streets, oppression inside the jail, the war
49:20
Speaker 1: was between the prisoners, the war was between the men
49:22
Speaker 1: on the streets, the crazy men, the command comes from
49:25
Speaker 1: inside the prison, when it comes from inside the prison
49:26
Speaker 1: it establishes a statute, a statute is kind of distorted
49:28
Speaker 1: in the beginning, then comes a second leadership that brings equality, peace, justice, freedom,
49:33
Speaker 1: equality and union. These pillars, which are practically constitutional pillars
49:40
Speaker 1: of some countries, adapted to crime, made São Paulo have
49:43
Speaker 1: one of the lowest rates of homicide, because you are
49:49
Speaker 1: not my enemy, brother. For example, Praia Grande had one
49:53
Speaker 1: of the highest rates of homicide. It was inside Dakar.
49:59
Speaker 1: But it fell on the account of that municipality. The
50:02
Speaker 1: city was not violent. The violence was inside the prison.
50:05
Speaker 1: But the number of dead people in that area was
50:08
Speaker 1: the same as in that city.
50:09
Speaker 4: I remember in 2006, 2007, when I was 10 years old,
50:13
Speaker 4: a kid, you knew who was the one who filmed
50:17
Speaker 4: the marijuana behind the school, who stole the motorcycle, who
50:20
Speaker 4: does this, who does that.
50:21
Speaker 5: So we always lived in alert. My mother, don't stay
50:23
Speaker 5: close to.
50:23
Speaker 4: Those boys who steal the motorcycle, don't stay there, who
50:26
Speaker 4: are smoking marijuana. She was always very clear with me,
50:28
Speaker 4: because things happened and she knew that I wouldn't be
50:31
Speaker 4: under her protection.
50:32
Speaker 1: And you had the least amount of information so that
50:35
Speaker 1: it wasn't a good path. Imagine that he doesn't have
50:37
Speaker 1: any kind of information.
50:38
Speaker 5: Exactly.
50:38
Speaker 4: And I remember that in the beginning of the 2000s,
50:43
Speaker 4: there was a calm down of theft.
50:47
Speaker 5: At least there in Quebrada, where I was.
50:49
Speaker 4: And I remember asking, not asking, but hearing that it
50:51
Speaker 4: was the PCC that had done not to have theft.
50:56
Speaker 5: I'm not saying it's my opinion. I'm talking about something
50:59
Speaker 5: I've seen and experienced. I've seen that a lot. You know?
51:02
Speaker 4: When I was a kid. But no, where were the
51:05
Speaker 4: boys who did that? The drug trafficking that was going
51:07
Speaker 4: on here.
51:07
Speaker 1: It's changed. It's changed.
51:08
Speaker 5: You can't do it anymore.
51:09
Speaker 1: It's changed. You don't see the armed guy anymore.
51:11
Speaker 4: It's broken.
51:12
Speaker 1: You take a pivete today. Of 10, 13, 14, 15 years.
51:14
Speaker 1: When you say you're pinning the pipe, you go and
51:16
Speaker 1: take the line and the pipe of the boy and
51:18
Speaker 1: give him a peck. Which was very common in our time.
51:20
Speaker 1: The boy will not react to you. You also attacked me, bro.
51:23
Speaker 1: Tomorrow you're in the ideas. He knows where to go
51:26
Speaker 1: and knows who to turn to. He doesn't go to 190.
51:28
Speaker 1: Sometimes he doesn't even go to his parents, because maybe
51:31
Speaker 1: he doesn't even have the strength. But he goes there
51:33
Speaker 1: and says to the guy in the corner, he says, Truta,
51:36
Speaker 1: the guy there assaulted me. I'm feeling hurt. He goes
51:40
Speaker 1: to sit down and talk to a 15, 10-year-old boy,
51:42
Speaker 1: and says, the guy has an idea, he's an old man.
51:45
Speaker 3: Because it's equality. What are these ideas? I've had to
51:48
Speaker 3: change two of these ideas, it was scary.
51:50
Speaker 1: But I wanted you to talk to people. What are
51:52
Speaker 1: the ideas? It's interesting that in my conception... in the
51:56
Speaker 1: creation of my speech and my reflections on this, that
51:59
Speaker 1: I understand myself today as, in a way, a scholar
52:02
Speaker 1: about causes and effects, and I have as a background
52:05
Speaker 1: my experience, and my experience was street, was police, was crime,
52:09
Speaker 1: so that's why I talk about it. Why do you
52:10
Speaker 1: talk so much? I could talk all day about football.
52:13
Speaker 1: It's an expertise I have, it's my profession. But football
52:16
Speaker 1: doesn't need as much of my expertise as the street,
52:18
Speaker 1: as this communication vehicle here, which is to take the
52:20
Speaker 1: message to the kid there. So, when I tell you
52:24
Speaker 1: what are some ideas... I even asked this guy who
52:27
Speaker 1: was in an interview with me. He's a crime student, police,
52:32
Speaker 1: and I asked him. I said, what is the PCC?
52:37
Speaker 1: Taking as a reference our state, São Paulo. He got lost.
52:41
Speaker 1: I said, if the PCC is something abstract, it is intangible.
52:47
Speaker 1: It's an idea. It's an idea. Nothing is stronger than
52:51
Speaker 1: an idea. He said, really, what is it? Is it
52:53
Speaker 1: an industry? Is it a company? Does the CNPJ have
52:56
Speaker 1: a owner? No, the PCC has no owner. Marcola is
53:00
Speaker 1: not the owner of the PCC, Seus Escalões is not
53:02
Speaker 1: the owner of the PCC. Because, as you said, one
53:05
Speaker 1: dies among the other. It is an idea. Does this
53:10
Speaker 1: idea have economic power today? It has economic power. Who
53:12
Speaker 1: is this money from? It's from an idea. Let's say
53:17
Speaker 1: that you are factioned and it's in the responsibility of money,
53:21
Speaker 1: of anything.
53:22
Speaker 3: You....
53:24
Speaker 1: You will save this money. If you want to multiply,
53:27
Speaker 1: you can even multiply.
53:30
Speaker 5: But you can't spend.
53:31
Speaker 1: You can't spend and you can't lose. Because if you lose,
53:34
Speaker 1: who will charge you?
53:36
Speaker 5: It's the idea.
53:38
Speaker 1: It's the idea that will charge you. Because suddenly I'm
53:42
Speaker 1: in responsibility and I say, oh, Igão. Oh, Mítio, I
53:45
Speaker 1: left the responsibility with you. You disappeared with the money.
53:47
Speaker 1: You are some cool guys, bro. But above me, someone
53:50
Speaker 1: will say, bro, where's the money? The account is not closing.
53:51
Speaker 1: I left it in the responsibility of the two there.
53:54
Speaker 1: But the guy will look at me in such a
53:57
Speaker 1: way that I see that idea charging me the weight
53:59
Speaker 1: of responsibility. I'll be telling you, where's the responsibility? Will
54:04
Speaker 1: it come? They say, I can't pay. So let's go
54:07
Speaker 1: to the idea. I'll take mine from the line, because
54:09
Speaker 1: if we take everything in the same bowl, all factioned,
54:12
Speaker 1: you will answer. Because in the logistics order, and look there,
54:15
Speaker 1: if I wasn't responsible, because I didn't have authorization to
54:17
Speaker 1: leave it with.
54:20
Speaker 5: You.
54:20
Speaker 1: Have you come up with a lot of ideas? Many.
54:24
Speaker 1: It's tough, isn't it? You've been through that, it seems.
54:27
Speaker 4: Thank God I never went to the countryside, I never
54:32
Speaker 4: went to a house.
54:33
Speaker 1: The boy with the mustache. That's what I'm talking about, brother.
54:36
Speaker 1: But it was fair, I thought it was fair. I thought, like,
54:38
Speaker 1: that's it. You know? Because you had a voice space.
54:42
Speaker 1: Imagine in the past that you couldn't even speak. I'll
54:45
Speaker 1: tell you, I got in the jail. Police officer, second
54:48
Speaker 1: battalion of shock. It's fast. The ideas I can say,
54:52
Speaker 1: what I remember was that... Let the kid talk. Do
54:57
Speaker 1: you understand? It's different. In the cage, for example, I
55:00
Speaker 1: was right. A pilantra that pilantra with me was inside
55:04
Speaker 1: the cage. Years taking out the cage. He already made
55:07
Speaker 1: his bed, he has knowledge, but no one knows about
55:09
Speaker 1: our story, mine and his. But I arrive at inclusion
55:11
Speaker 1: to enter the cage. There he is knowing that I arrived,
55:14
Speaker 1: but he says, the guy is right in the ideas, bro.
55:16
Speaker 1: And I'm wrong. He builds my bed. He says, a
55:19
Speaker 1: pilantra is coming there. I entered the cage, I barely spoke,
55:23
Speaker 1: I took a lot of stabs and died. And he died,
55:24
Speaker 1: he was still alive with the truth, which was a lie.
55:27
Speaker 1: I was the right guy. Or he arrived in the
55:30
Speaker 1: cage and said, man, there's a guy coming. The guy
55:33
Speaker 1: is a pilant, this, that, the other. The tune will
55:34
Speaker 1: go down there, the fax will go down there. Hey, man,
55:36
Speaker 1: do you know this guy? I don't know him, he's
55:38
Speaker 1: in the cage. He's saying you're in a fight with
55:40
Speaker 1: him there. Are you going to go down? I'm going
55:41
Speaker 1: to go down, man, I'm right. Go to Zidane, I'm going.
55:44
Speaker 1: I'm going down. He's going to get in there and say, man,
55:46
Speaker 1: go down. In that first moment, if the guy is wrong,
55:49
Speaker 1: he will throw the ball and hit the basket and
55:51
Speaker 1: run away. But if he is right and has a
55:53
Speaker 1: good idea, everyone will come down and exchange ideas. And
55:56
Speaker 1: then it will depend, because it only depends on one
55:58
Speaker 1: and the other to say, I will give an opportunity
55:59
Speaker 1: of life or I will not give an opportunity of life.
56:02
Speaker 1: I've been in a situation where the guy tried against
56:04
Speaker 1: my life, I write this in my book Leste da
56:06
Speaker 1: Campo na Ótica do Cárcere, in a chapter that I
56:08
Speaker 1: call the body's tongue. The guy tried against my life,
56:11
Speaker 1: but he had no idea what the structure of the
56:13
Speaker 1: business was. He tried against my life on Friday, On
56:17
Speaker 1: Monday we came up with the ideas, which were already
56:19
Speaker 1: summarized at the end of the week, because I was
56:21
Speaker 1: involved with the guys, and what came to me came
56:23
Speaker 1: to everyone, and I distributed it to everyone. So the
56:26
Speaker 1: thing had its origin. What is the idea, in short?
56:28
Speaker 1: He said that my drug had no origin, because I
56:30
Speaker 1: was a policeman, and most likely my drug was a
56:32
Speaker 1: drug deviated from the search and apprehension. And I sold it.
56:38
Speaker 1: And he went to run with his partner, who put
56:39
Speaker 1: sebo in the canals, abandoned the chain, because he rammed
56:42
Speaker 1: with us. And when I get there in the other
56:44
Speaker 1: transferred chain, he came to pull the good saying, you
56:47
Speaker 1: will know the origin of this bastard there. I prove
56:49
Speaker 1: that my stuff had origin, had origin. On Monday, it's
56:52
Speaker 1: just one person, either me or him. My God. When
56:55
Speaker 1: it comes to ideas, I have to decide for him.
56:58
Speaker 1: And I told him, I said, bro, you're not going
57:00
Speaker 1: to make me more man or less man, see you
57:03
Speaker 1: get beaten, see you die. You're saying that I wasn't
57:05
Speaker 1: a bastard because I burned half a stage, I wore
57:07
Speaker 1: a suit, right, bro? If you were a real bastard,
57:08
Speaker 1: you wouldn't do the scandal you did in the chain.
57:10
Speaker 1: You would have called me in the ball to exchange
57:12
Speaker 1: some ideas. He said the following, then the police, then
57:14
Speaker 1: you and me. And we exchanged a knife, we were
57:16
Speaker 1: standing alone. But you made a scandal, thinking you were
57:21
Speaker 1: going to intimidate me, thinking you were going to put
57:23
Speaker 1: me in the wrong place. Today I proved that I'm right.
57:26
Speaker 1: So take a shit, just kidding. Any guy with a
57:30
Speaker 1: soft judge, let's say, would take this providence. But you
57:33
Speaker 1: have to live with him. But what makes us great
57:36
Speaker 1: is not that no one fears us, it's respecting us.
57:43
Speaker 1: It's much more delicious for you to get to a
57:45
Speaker 1: place and know that people respect you than they fear you.
57:47
Speaker 1: Fearing someone can kill you only out of fear. But
57:49
Speaker 1: respecting them won't kill you. And I said to him,
57:52
Speaker 1: I said, Malandro, if we mess up on the street,
57:55
Speaker 1: or we take a beer and we destroy ourselves. So
57:56
Speaker 1: I'm proving to you who the crime is. Here, if
57:59
Speaker 1: anything happens to you, you'll only delay us, bro. There
58:00
Speaker 1: on the street, we don't mess up, got it? Relax,
58:03
Speaker 1: the guys looked at me like that and said, that's it.
58:04
Speaker 1: There was already a guy in a gaiada there, in
58:06
Speaker 1: a burra. Spitz, rope to kill himself and guiteride to drink.
58:10
Speaker 1: I was going to decide about his life. Give a
58:13
Speaker 1: Gatorade to this guy. What is Gatorade? It's a can
58:15
Speaker 1: of Gatorade with 100 grams of powder and water. Drink.
58:18
Speaker 1: The guy hits the boots in five minutes. String, put
58:21
Speaker 1: it on the window and pull.
58:21
Speaker 4: Spit.
58:22
Speaker 1: Someone is going to kill. But it wasn't me who
58:23
Speaker 1: was going to hold. Someone was going to hold. Someone
58:26
Speaker 1: from the organization was going to hold. Because a partner
58:28
Speaker 1: inside a command chain can't take someone's life. If in
58:30
Speaker 1: a trial it was decided by the death of the guy,
58:32
Speaker 1: who does this is the commander. Because, precisely because there
58:36
Speaker 1: is a commander there. So the guy won't let his
58:41
Speaker 1: partner solve it, because whoever charged the right for the
58:44
Speaker 1: right was the commander. I would put, it would cause
58:47
Speaker 1: a tragedy in the chain, the madman who was going
58:48
Speaker 1: to die, his family who was going to miss him,
58:50
Speaker 1: who didn't know the stupidity, the ignorance that he was
58:53
Speaker 1: committing with the commander, someone would have to hold this corpse,
58:57
Speaker 1: the chain would be closed for 30 days, we would
58:58
Speaker 1: take a boat and just delay the progress of the chain.
59:01
Speaker 1: So with an action to give the guy a chance,
59:03
Speaker 1: how many problems did we avoid? Imagine implementing this in society.
59:07
Speaker 1: Very cool. Things don't start to change? Yes. But you
59:11
Speaker 1: entered the world of crime that you didn't have. Why
59:13
Speaker 1: did you... Taking a hook here, otherwise the imbeciles from
59:17
Speaker 1: plantão will make a cut saying that we were... I'm
59:18
Speaker 1: talking about political and social decisions. Causes and effects. If
59:24
Speaker 1: we think more and give more opportunities to create paths
59:27
Speaker 1: for people to defend themselves, for people to grow and
59:30
Speaker 1: change their opinion, we will have a better society.
59:33
Speaker 5: For sure.
59:35
Speaker 4: But what you experienced within the chain, do you believe
59:38
Speaker 4: that there is a place to resocialize?
59:40
Speaker 1: No. I'm an exception.
59:43
Speaker 3: What did you see in the chain, so you can
59:44
Speaker 3: share with our audience too? For those who don't understand
59:47
Speaker 3: what a chain is. How is it to live a routine?
59:50
Speaker 3: How is it to live a routine?
59:52
Speaker 1: I'm going to make a narrative of a routine. Good.
59:57
Speaker 1: Meet Grigão. Fuck.
59:59
Speaker 5: Don't put us in this.
1:00:00
Speaker 1: I'm not going to put you in the video, you
1:00:03
Speaker 1: don't go to the ideas. I'm going to do the following, brother.
1:00:05
Speaker 1: Let's do the following, right Dennis? Let's do the following, go.
1:00:08
Speaker 1: You are very happy, very happy, a celebration, a sensational day,
1:00:11
Speaker 1: a great deal of a contract. You ended up taking
1:00:14
Speaker 1: one more and said, let's go to my car, bro, here, right?
1:00:19
Speaker 1: drink a little more, then it happens a tragedy, you
1:00:22
Speaker 1: lose control, something went off, hit, killed two people. Wow. Homicide, bro.
1:00:29
Speaker 1: The car was used as a tool, as a weapon.
1:00:31
Speaker 1: The repercussion for being you two will hit up there.
1:00:35
Speaker 1: In the same way that there will be people who
1:00:37
Speaker 1: will say, man, but the guys drink, the guys are awesome,
1:00:39
Speaker 1: the guys from the internet, the guys do a 1000
1:00:41
Speaker 1: degree tramp, there will be people who will say like this,
1:00:43
Speaker 1: they are an example, because the bigger the size, the
1:00:45
Speaker 1: bigger the fall. Then you will stop in the chair.
1:00:49
Speaker 1: When we arrived at the cage, we were sitting there.
1:00:50
Speaker 1: At the end of the afternoon, the guys were locked
1:00:53
Speaker 1: up and only the sector was free. Then the head
1:00:56
Speaker 1: of the platoon came there and opened the cage like
1:00:58
Speaker 1: this and the two of them went inside. You're going
1:01:00
Speaker 1: to come in, you're going to come and exchange ideas
1:01:02
Speaker 1: with the guys. The guys are going to say, what's up, bro?
1:01:04
Speaker 1: I'm not a criminal, I'm not a bandit, I'm the
1:01:06
Speaker 1: guy like that. You don't remember me, the guys are there,
1:01:07
Speaker 1: they don't even know that the internet is sometimes out
1:01:09
Speaker 1: of the air. I don't know who it is, but
1:01:11
Speaker 1: give the chat, bro. What was it? We left a
1:01:13
Speaker 1: party celebrating that we closed a contract, that we are artists, bro.
1:01:15
Speaker 1: You're going to hit the thesis that you're an artist
1:01:16
Speaker 1: so the guy doesn't charge you anything. He said, I
1:01:19
Speaker 1: ended up running over there, bro, it's a homicide, but
1:01:20
Speaker 1: the lawyer will come there. And then you start to
1:01:22
Speaker 1: believe that you're going to leave the next day. Then
1:01:24
Speaker 1: you arrived and said, I'm not a bandit, I had
1:01:27
Speaker 1: a car accident and killed two people. There is no
1:01:29
Speaker 1: selection of chains for those who have had a car accident.
1:01:33
Speaker 1: You're not a bandit, really, but you're going to be
1:01:35
Speaker 1: put there with everyone.
1:01:36
Speaker 3: Wow.
1:01:36
Speaker 1: There won't be only Jack there, because today there is
1:01:40
Speaker 1: a chain of sexual crimes, but there will be everything. Stereo, homicide, molestation, robber,
1:01:46
Speaker 1: there will be everything there. You will have to convince
1:01:49
Speaker 1: these guys. And there are many of these guys who
1:01:51
Speaker 1: will look at you and say, man, these guys are boys,
1:01:55
Speaker 1: these guys have money. I've heard it. A newspaper came in,
1:02:00
Speaker 1: the guy saw it. This damn guy will want to
1:02:02
Speaker 1: take any advantage. But there is a structure there that
1:02:05
Speaker 1: will arrive and say, hey, man, you will arrive and say, man,
1:02:06
Speaker 1: it's not bad, but I already gave so much money
1:02:08
Speaker 1: to this guy. Or a tennis arrived, the guy took
1:02:10
Speaker 1: my tennis, the tennis that I was going to take
1:02:11
Speaker 1: a visit, the guy is using my tennis to take
1:02:12
Speaker 1: a visit, the guy said, hey, man, come here. What
1:02:14
Speaker 1: are you doing with Malan's tennis? Because you don't have knowledge.
1:02:16
Speaker 1: The guy entered your mind, you froze, you were afraid,
1:02:18
Speaker 1: the guy was going to do something. The guy starts
1:02:20
Speaker 1: to suggest you inside the barracks. The guy is going
1:02:23
Speaker 1: to say, this is the right thing, Malan, what are
1:02:24
Speaker 1: you doing? He returns the boy's tennis. Then you start
1:02:27
Speaker 1: to understand what this structure is. This structure is not
1:02:30
Speaker 1: of power, it is an organization structure. We are not
1:02:32
Speaker 1: enemies of each other, prisoners. Our enemy, in theory, is
1:02:37
Speaker 1: an inert state that does not treat the prisoner properly
1:02:42
Speaker 1: as it has to be treated. Ah, you want a hand,
1:02:45
Speaker 1: I don't want a hand, I want the law, justice.
1:02:48
Speaker 1: If the law is for Collor, who is in domestic prison,
1:02:52
Speaker 1: if the law is to answer in freedom as Cariano
1:02:55
Speaker 1: is answering, why is the law different for Buzeira, who
1:02:58
Speaker 1: is not answering in freedom, is answering in prison? Because
1:03:01
Speaker 1: Buzeira looks more like Zubi do Palmares. And Cariano, speaking
1:03:05
Speaker 1: of two influences, I have nothing against Cariano, I don't
1:03:06
Speaker 1: even want Cariano to go in prison. I want Cariano
1:03:09
Speaker 1: to answer as he is answering, because Cariano is being
1:03:12
Speaker 1: exercised with Cariano, It's the rule, which is freedom. And
1:03:16
Speaker 1: as Buzeira is being exercised, it's an exception. I'm not
1:03:18
Speaker 1: against the police or what they're doing. I'm just doing
1:03:20
Speaker 1: an analysis as a society. Why is Buzeira arrested in
1:03:24
Speaker 1: a crime, let's say, with the least offensive potential to
1:03:27
Speaker 1: this day, of what was said, which is the laundering
1:03:29
Speaker 1: of money? And why is another being investigated for issues
1:03:32
Speaker 1: that involve drug trafficking, mixing and such? He responds, freedom.
1:03:36
Speaker 1: It's not wrong for the Cariano to respond, freedom. He
1:03:40
Speaker 1: is being exercised the rule. And Albuzeira is being exercised
1:03:44
Speaker 1: as an exception. Why is he arrested? He has a
1:03:48
Speaker 1: fixed residence, he has several properties, he has a company,
1:03:51
Speaker 1: he has good lawyers, good antecedents. Why wasn't he given
1:03:55
Speaker 1: the rule? Why is he being applied as an exception?
1:03:58
Speaker 1: And it doesn't take me to another thought, if you
1:04:01
Speaker 1: don't look at the characteristics and say, Cariana walks with
1:04:05
Speaker 1: white people, similar to the real family, Dom Pedro, verbalizes well,
1:04:09
Speaker 1: walks with people... with totally different profiles than what Buzeira walks. Buzeira,
1:04:15
Speaker 1: even in his jokes, says, oh, we are the Rataiada.
1:04:17
Speaker 1: Walks in a shirt, Havana flip-flops, and Porsche, Ferrari. Lives
1:04:21
Speaker 1: in a mansion. Hey, does this bother the state? The
1:04:25
Speaker 1: way Ultron is treating it, it seems that it bothers.
1:04:28
Speaker 1: Or show the letters truly in what reason it convinces
1:04:30
Speaker 1: that he deserves to be arrested. But us analyzing here,
1:04:34
Speaker 1: in a magnifying glass, you see one, you see another,
1:04:36
Speaker 1: and say, damn it. As I said, I even have
1:04:39
Speaker 1: a cut that I made thinking about this reflection. I'm
1:04:43
Speaker 1: not even going to take politics as a reference because
1:04:45
Speaker 1: you lose the base of reference, because there are many.
1:04:49
Speaker 1: But two specific cases you can.
1:04:51
Speaker 4: Of.
1:04:54
Speaker 1: Course.
1:04:54
Speaker 5: The beautiful and the ugly.
1:04:57
Speaker 1: Beautiful crime and ugly crime. You can't understand what society
1:05:00
Speaker 1: we live in.
1:05:00
Speaker 4: Nothing was proven about Pose do Rodo. And everyone saw
1:05:04
Speaker 4: how he was trampled in his house, how he was treated.
1:05:08
Speaker 1: He had to explain how he recovered his car, being
1:05:11
Speaker 1: that he is a favela, he is broken, he has contacts.
1:05:13
Speaker 1: In your political media, you don't have contacts?
1:05:15
Speaker 4: There is a singer who has almost 50 years on
1:05:17
Speaker 4: his back, he attacked, I don't know, the five women
1:05:20
Speaker 4: he had, and nothing happened.
1:05:23
Speaker 5: And aggression against women is a crime. From what I know,
1:05:25
Speaker 5: it is.
1:05:26
Speaker 1: The most precious thing on earth is women, right? For sure.
1:05:29
Speaker 1: Very precious. Calm down.
1:05:31
Speaker 4: It's what I saw a Valencia Sui say that yes.
1:05:34
Speaker 4: I think.
1:05:35
Speaker 5: No, but that's.
1:05:36
Speaker 4: What I want, this is very cool you exemplify, because
1:05:40
Speaker 4: we sometimes hit this key and the people pretend that
1:05:43
Speaker 4: they don't understand what we're talking about, you know? Because
1:05:48
Speaker 4: it's very clear why things happen, because if I ask
1:05:50
Speaker 4: you what was the color of the people who were
1:05:53
Speaker 4: inside the chain when you were arrested, In the jail,
1:06:01
Speaker 4: without being a jail for policemen, what was the color?
1:06:05
Speaker 1: Brother, in the common jail, 90% of the population is black.
1:06:09
Speaker 1: Poor and slum. After I went to the special prison,
1:06:13
Speaker 1: 80% to 90% of the population is white. And from
1:06:14
Speaker 1: abandoned families.
1:06:16
Speaker 5: And is there a difference in treatment in one jail
1:06:20
Speaker 5: to the other?
1:06:20
Speaker 4: A lot.
1:06:20
Speaker 1: I'll give you an example. The judge João Carlos da
1:06:25
Speaker 1: Rocha Matos, deceased. You get to the jail, the guy
1:06:29
Speaker 1: rips your hair. Who put his hand on the ex-judge's hair?
1:06:33
Speaker 1: No one. And it wasn't because he was the ex-judge.
1:06:36
Speaker 1: Because he knew how to interpret the law and demand
1:06:38
Speaker 1: the law. Hair is the extension of your body. Body injury.
1:06:41
Speaker 5: Body injury, I had no idea.
1:06:46
Speaker 1: I had a friend, my policeman, in a rocan, who
1:06:52
Speaker 1: took the dagons da real and took a guy with
1:06:55
Speaker 1: a lot of hair. Look at the absurdity he did.
1:06:57
Speaker 1: When he did it, I looked to one side and said,
1:06:59
Speaker 1: my God, it's going to be shit. He took the
1:07:01
Speaker 1: knife out of his boot and cut his hair. Look
1:07:03
Speaker 1: at the horse's tail. Wow! He responded to this pique
1:07:07
Speaker 1: for a long time. It's a bodily injury, brother. If
1:07:10
Speaker 1: I cut your hair, shave your hair here, it's a
1:07:11
Speaker 1: bodily injury. It makes the extension of your body. It's
1:07:13
Speaker 1: not that you're going to feel pain, but it's your vanity,
1:07:16
Speaker 1: your crown.
1:07:17
Speaker 5: Angelo, you lived on both sides, right?
1:07:18
Speaker 4: And I don't want this to seem obvious, because I
1:07:23
Speaker 4: think we have criticisms. to talk about both sides, but
1:07:28
Speaker 4: I wanted to ask you if you don't see the
1:07:31
Speaker 4: policeman as a mass maneuver of the state, you know?
1:07:35
Speaker 5: As a victim too.
1:07:36
Speaker 4: Because the policeman's salary is low, he has a gun
1:07:40
Speaker 4: on his waist, and he's riding.
1:07:43
Speaker 5: A motorcycle, man.
1:07:44
Speaker 4: You know? A million, crossing the city, up and down,
1:07:47
Speaker 4: exchanging shots with his little son at home. I know
1:07:51
Speaker 4: countless policemen, And all of them are to support the family,
1:07:55
Speaker 4: to take a support to the inside of the house.
1:07:59
Speaker 4: And you exchange ideas with the guy and say, bro,
1:08:01
Speaker 4: you're in this madness. Because you know you're freezing.
1:08:04
Speaker 5: The ice, right?
1:08:04
Speaker 4: In the intimate, we talk about these things. And then
1:08:06
Speaker 4: all of them assume that yes, bro.
1:08:08
Speaker 1: So I'm going to say, you take a soldier's school today,
1:08:09
Speaker 1: that is going to be formed. He learned the card right, including...
1:08:14
Speaker 1: That every mistake he makes, he will be arrested. He
1:08:17
Speaker 1: will understand the law and knows if you make a mistake.
1:08:19
Speaker 1: But when you get on a 30-year-old, 20-year-old, 25-year-old, 15-year-old
1:08:21
Speaker 1: street racer, when the recruiter arrives, the first thing is
1:08:24
Speaker 1: that you are salty. What is salty? It's the same
1:08:26
Speaker 1: as a university trot. You take a shit to see
1:08:28
Speaker 1: if you hold on. If you make a mistake... And shock.
1:08:31
Speaker 1: If you make a mistake, you take a shock. If
1:08:34
Speaker 1: you make a mistake, you take a shock. You must
1:08:37
Speaker 1: have safety. Safety tells you stories. So, go through it.
1:08:42
Speaker 1: E quando o cara entra num pelotão mais velho, vamos
1:08:44
Speaker 1: dizer assim, que ele foi aprovado, que ele passou o estágio,
1:08:46
Speaker 1: os caras falam pra ele, seu recruta, esquece tudo que
1:08:49
Speaker 1: você aprendeu, que aqui é rua, malandro. O que é rua?
1:08:52
Speaker 1: Ele estará totalmente contaminado do que é aquilo que ele aprendeu.
1:08:55
Speaker 1: Então você vai estar sempre enxugando gelo, porque é trazendo
1:08:59
Speaker 1: bons policiais, What is street? He will be totally contaminated
1:08:53
Speaker 1: with what he learned. So you will always be chewing ice,
1:08:58
Speaker 1: because it is bringing good policemen formed that will be
1:09:01
Speaker 1: contaminated by old policemen who no longer believe in the institution,
1:09:04
Speaker 1: who live in extreme misery, who are already drugging themselves,
1:09:07
Speaker 1: who are already drinking, who are already losing their families
1:09:09
Speaker 1: because they are sick. Some evil of nature and some
1:09:13
Speaker 1: who absorb and learn to be evil. within the profession itself,
1:09:17
Speaker 1: contaminated by other policemen. I'm going to do the reverse
1:09:20
Speaker 1: logistics of this. Why do I think that the biggest
1:09:23
Speaker 1: problem of crime today is recidivism? Because the recidivism came
1:09:26
Speaker 1: in the famous break for hell. Man, he was arrested
1:09:28
Speaker 1: for a few days, look at the ideas he exchanges,
1:09:30
Speaker 1: the new kid gets abysmated. And then the kid says,
1:09:33
Speaker 1: I have a business there, I need to earn some money,
1:09:35
Speaker 1: let's go, let's go with me, let's go again. Then
1:09:37
Speaker 1: this one suddenly doesn't survive. He can die because he
1:09:41
Speaker 1: has no experience. The resident goes back to the cell
1:09:44
Speaker 1: or both go back to the cell. The resident brings
1:09:45
Speaker 1: a new one. The police evil forms a new police
1:09:49
Speaker 1: evil that just left the academy. In both universes, you understand? Yes.
1:09:53
Speaker 1: We did the DNA of the crime. I did consulting
1:09:56
Speaker 1: on both sides. Of course, I did consulting much more
1:09:58
Speaker 1: on the side of the ghost squad, right? But I
1:10:01
Speaker 1: helped in consulting on the side of the police that
1:10:03
Speaker 1: was done by real policemen, right? the consultancy with Maeve
1:10:07
Speaker 1: and with Romulo. But many times I talked to Maeve
1:10:10
Speaker 1: bringing the reality to her. When she sees Daniel Blanco,
1:10:14
Speaker 1: who was Gabriel in our squad, dead at the foot
1:10:16
Speaker 1: of the helicopter, and then we get up from the
1:10:17
Speaker 1: helicopter running away, in the hotel we were talking, I said, Maeve,
1:10:21
Speaker 1: recording that scene, because the scene goes almost in a
1:10:24
Speaker 1: sequence plan, that she shoots his toe, man, then in
1:10:28
Speaker 1: the coffee she says, if you shoot you in what?
1:10:31
Speaker 1: She threw it in a pipe, but when I saw
1:10:33
Speaker 1: the face of the handsome boy, that moved me. She
1:10:35
Speaker 1: cried at the table, drinking coffee. In the hotel. That's
1:10:40
Speaker 1: because we're making art, man. But the thing between you,
1:10:43
Speaker 1: imagine in real.
1:10:46
Speaker 4: Life.
1:10:47
Speaker 1: In the series, when Romulo, with Tomás Aquino, who is Benício,
1:10:54
Speaker 1: and the one without a soul, he dies, he takes
1:10:57
Speaker 1: a stab and dies there at that moment, after Romulo
1:11:01
Speaker 1: is with Maeve there, ambulance, ending that scene, she asks him,
1:11:05
Speaker 1: what's up? He said, it was empty, I had a
1:11:08
Speaker 1: desire to chase this guy. And he died, my grace
1:11:11
Speaker 1: ended in the police. He went to the border with
1:11:14
Speaker 1: a dog to smell. It's an obsession that shows the
1:11:17
Speaker 1: police's illness, the psychopathic, that desire for revenge. He stops
1:11:21
Speaker 1: being a police officer to be a justice officer.
1:11:24
Speaker 4: Doesn't that show a society that is sick, that is deluded,
1:11:28
Speaker 4: that is without education, that doesn't value science anymore?
1:11:32
Speaker 1: That's why, brother, these exchange of ideas here in these
1:11:35
Speaker 1: communication vehicles is very important, because it makes you expand
1:11:37
Speaker 1: your thinking more. Raul Seixas used to sing, I prefer
1:11:41
Speaker 1: to be this metamorphosis rather than having that old opinion
1:11:44
Speaker 1: formed about everything. We are in constant evolution, brother. Suddenly
1:11:48
Speaker 1: what we are talking about here, things start to change
1:11:50
Speaker 1: and we take another, we start to have a different
1:11:53
Speaker 1: view on things.
1:11:54
Speaker 5: And it's not a shame to change.
1:11:55
Speaker 1: It's not a shame, it's great. I'm evolving.
1:11:57
Speaker 3: I'm watching these videos, great friends making videos of the
1:12:02
Speaker 3: situation in Rio de Janeiro. And man, sometimes I open
1:12:06
Speaker 3: the comment tab and it makes me sad.
1:12:08
Speaker 1: It's like, oh, governor, that's it, kill everyone. Killing is little,
1:12:11
Speaker 1: I don't know what.
1:12:13
Speaker 3: I said, people, nobody is talking about the.
1:12:17
Speaker 1: Traffickers, we are talking about the population, the favela, the people.
1:12:20
Speaker 1: I talked about mourning in a post I made. I said,
1:12:24
Speaker 1: if you mourn for the life of the policeman and
1:12:26
Speaker 1: not for the life of the people who died, regardless
1:12:28
Speaker 1: of the side they chose, this is not mourning. And
1:12:32
Speaker 1: if you mourn for the side of the men who
1:12:34
Speaker 1: died and you don't mourn for the side of the policeman,
1:12:37
Speaker 1: this is not mourning. You have to do it. You
1:12:40
Speaker 1: know why? Because they are lives that have gone. Then
1:12:43
Speaker 1: the other one said, man, don't compare Jesus with a thief.
1:12:46
Speaker 1: I said, damn, man, by chance, when Jesus was crucified,
1:12:50
Speaker 1: with him who ascended to the kingdom of heaven, the
1:12:52
Speaker 1: first to be on the right side of God, was
1:12:54
Speaker 1: he a rich man, was he any person, or was
1:12:56
Speaker 1: he a bandit who regretted in the last minute? He
1:12:59
Speaker 1: was a bandit. the Bible teaches and the guys ignore it,
1:13:02
Speaker 1: but at night he will pray and ask God for
1:13:03
Speaker 1: protection for his family, put his knee on the floor
1:13:05
Speaker 1: and fuck it.
1:13:06
Speaker 4: And he says that his attitudes are based on the Bible.
1:13:09
Speaker 1: But he preaches killing, he preaches hatred, he has to
1:13:12
Speaker 1: die anyway. What we are trying to discuss here is
1:13:16
Speaker 1: to solve the problem at the root.
1:13:17
Speaker 4: Because the reflection I brought is that almost 200 people
1:13:20
Speaker 4: died and It didn't move the drug trafficking, it didn't
1:13:34
Speaker 4: move the organized crime.
1:13:36
Speaker 5: Rio de Janeiro is worse.
1:13:36
Speaker 1: And I'm going to enter a table where people beat
1:13:38
Speaker 1: a lot. They say, but these guys oppress the population,
1:13:41
Speaker 1: do this, that and the other. It's all right. There
1:13:43
Speaker 1: is this oppressive side. There is a good side, there
1:13:46
Speaker 1: is a bad side, everything has. We have a state
1:13:49
Speaker 1: that receives high investment, that are very expensive taxes and
1:13:54
Speaker 1: that have very expensive receipts. that have resources left over
1:13:59
Speaker 1: to do smart operations, to find out and search. Why
1:14:03
Speaker 1: did the Federal get the guys? Look at the Carbon Operation,
1:14:07
Speaker 1: a great operation, with people with a lot of potential,
1:14:10
Speaker 1: let's say, to revive much bigger. But they were caught sleeping,
1:14:14
Speaker 1: the operation weakened the pocket, they got there and gave
1:14:18
Speaker 1: the right to defend themselves. There, who had the right
1:14:21
Speaker 1: to defend themselves? Between a guy who came out with
1:14:24
Speaker 1: a hole, the other gave up the hole. a mother
1:14:28
Speaker 1: still has it seems that there is a case that
1:14:30
Speaker 1: the mother negotiates for the boy and such and is
1:14:32
Speaker 1: here so he goes there he comes back dead man
1:14:34
Speaker 1: just a body and if.
1:14:35
Speaker 4: He wanted I think that right if he wanted to
1:14:40
Speaker 4: solve something a little more with a little more depth
1:14:44
Speaker 4: a guy like that in hand is much more valuable
1:14:46
Speaker 4: right he who pays the rent, where the gun comes from,
1:14:50
Speaker 4: he has information.
1:14:52
Speaker 1: Since he really wants to do justice, let him do justice.
1:14:55
Speaker 1: We don't pay our taxes to create justices. We pay
1:15:01
Speaker 1: taxes to have justice. Between a justicer and justice is
1:15:05
Speaker 1: a very big distance. The justicer is the militiaman, the
1:15:08
Speaker 1: justice is the policeman, who, even through the sacrifice of
1:15:11
Speaker 1: his own life, goes there and does the right job.
1:15:14
Speaker 1: The guy surrendered, he surrendered, he's here. The guy resisted,
1:15:18
Speaker 1: the cameras are in context, the images are in context,
1:15:20
Speaker 1: he opted for it.
1:15:22
Speaker 4: Pô, pô, houses on fire, bro, children outside the school,
1:15:27
Speaker 4: you know? Like, how many years have we seen that
1:15:30
Speaker 4: Rio de Janeiro's education stops because of that, you know?
1:15:33
Speaker 5: How many children have been harmed in study, bro, in teaching?
1:15:36
Speaker 3: It seems that this is also done to delay the
1:15:38
Speaker 3: guys there, right? Because there are many people who have
1:15:41
Speaker 3: no idea that Lá parece outro universo, outro mundo, mano.
1:15:45
Speaker 3: Lá tem a galera lá e eu fiquei olhando hoje triste,
1:15:48
Speaker 3: tipo assim, vendo os postes pegando fogo. Situações que não
1:15:54
Speaker 3: só o tiro, a bala, a morte. Situações que vai
1:15:57
Speaker 3: continuar ali durante anos. Como que eles vão recuperar aquelas.
1:16:00
Speaker 5: Coisas, sabe?
1:16:01
Speaker 1: O que que é uma coisa muito penosa pra vocês?
1:16:04
Speaker 1: Uma coisa assim que é de onda, que você fala, caralho,
1:16:06
Speaker 1: não tem condições. Estupro. Estupro. Latrocínio. All of this is horrible.
1:16:15
Speaker 1: I'm going to tell you that there's something worse than that.
1:16:22
Speaker 1: It's inhumanity. It's inhumanity. I'm going to prove it to you.
1:16:28
Speaker 1: I'm not defending Jack, the rapist. But let's talk about it.
1:16:30
Speaker 1: If you're thirsty for revenge, you just saw the guy
1:16:35
Speaker 1: there doing that.
1:16:36
Speaker 4: Jack.
1:16:40
Speaker 1: If you go there and kill the guy, you will
1:16:43
Speaker 1: be caught. Obviously, society will say he is a hero.
1:16:45
Speaker 1: He is a hero. But in essence, you went down
1:16:52
Speaker 1: to the same level as him, you committed a crime,
1:16:55
Speaker 1: you took a life, you don't have that right. This
1:16:58
Speaker 1: is f * * * ing hard to say.
1:16:59
Speaker 5: It's hard to say.
1:17:00
Speaker 1: I think the most f * * * ing hard.
1:17:01
Speaker 5: To say is that, I understand.
1:17:02
Speaker 4: But you were inhuman.
1:17:03
Speaker 1: You became a primate at that time. I understand, I
1:17:06
Speaker 1: would be maybe on the side of the.
1:17:08
Speaker 4: People who said like this, you're a hero, but let's
1:17:10
Speaker 4: bring the reality. I have no idea how it is,
1:17:12
Speaker 4: but you murder a person, I think it's a trauma
1:17:15
Speaker 4: that never forgets. This nightmare will accompany you for a lifetime.
1:17:25
Speaker 1: Exactly. Talking about this, closing the conversation. The guy says, man,
1:17:31
Speaker 1: you're talking a lot of bullshit. Jack has to die.
1:17:33
Speaker 1: I had this thought too. Jack has to die. I'll
1:17:36
Speaker 1: prove it to you. You have no idea how many
1:17:39
Speaker 1: guys are trapped in the cage that arrived in a
1:17:42
Speaker 1: simple assault at 5 and 4, but he killed a Jack.
1:17:46
Speaker 1: Many were really Jacks. And many were not Jacks. This
1:17:52
Speaker 1: account of killing Jack inside the cage Essa conta é
1:17:56
Speaker 1: do preso, do apenado, ou essa conta era do Estado?
1:18:00
Speaker 1: Em ressocializar, ou punir, ou até legislar para uma pena
1:18:03
Speaker 1: de morte para crime de estupro. Nós não temos essa legislação.
1:18:07
Speaker 1: Mas o Estado também não pode fazer. Sabe o que
1:18:08
Speaker 1: o Estado fazia? Coloca lá entre os mais bravos.
1:18:11
Speaker 4: E sabe o que vai acontecer?
1:18:12
Speaker 1: Vai morrer, ele já volta. Por isso hoje tem cadeia
1:18:14
Speaker 1: de crimes sexuais. Porque o crime não tolera isso. But
1:18:18
Speaker 1: leaving the state of ignorance and bringing it to the
1:18:21
Speaker 1: real state, that account is not from the prisoner, it
1:18:23
Speaker 1: was never from the prisoner. That account is not yours,
1:18:24
Speaker 1: which is the neighbor who saw the guy doing bullshit.
1:18:26
Speaker 1: You're going to call the police, you're going to take
1:18:29
Speaker 1: care of it. Although very incolored. Then I'm going to
1:18:33
Speaker 1: answer what people must be thinking. Hey, Angelo, do you
1:18:35
Speaker 1: know what's going to happen? Hey, bro, remember that guy there? Worker,
1:18:39
Speaker 1: really good people, the guy from the radio, who killed Jack,
1:18:42
Speaker 1: his neighbor, who was raping a child there? He's been
1:18:45
Speaker 1: arrested for 30 years. Your account is not yours, Igão. Caramba,
1:18:40
Speaker 1: o Igão lá da rádio, que matou o Jack lá,
1:18:42
Speaker 1: vizinho dele, que tava estuprando uma criança lá, tá preso
1:18:45
Speaker 1: faz 30 anos. Essa conta não é sua, Igão.
1:18:49
Speaker 4: Acabou com uma vida.
1:18:50
Speaker 1: Acabou com uma vida, se destruiu a sua família também, mano.
1:18:53
Speaker 1: Sabe aquelas coisas que a mulher, puxa, amor, pelo amor
1:18:55
Speaker 1: de Deus, isso aqui não é só confusão lá no baile?
1:18:57
Speaker 1: Aí você vai lá no baile, não, mano, deixa disso
1:18:58
Speaker 1: e tal, mó covardinho o cara tá fazendo, e você
1:19:00
Speaker 1: toma uma facada ou toma um tiro, dentro da balada,
1:19:02
Speaker 1: aí sua mulher fala, mano, lá no caixão ela fala
1:19:04
Speaker 1: pras pessoas, olha, eu avisei ele, ele não tinha nada
1:19:06
Speaker 1: a ver com isso, mas ele foi lá só pra separar.
1:19:10
Speaker 1: A conta não é sua, irmão. Tá cheio de gente
1:19:12
Speaker 1: pagando conta que não é sua. E que vai só
1:19:14
Speaker 1: multiplicando as tragédias na vida das pessoas, mano. Nossa, isso
1:19:18
Speaker 1: é uma reflexão muito foda.
1:19:19
Speaker 3: A conta não é sua, mas é difícil quando você vê,
1:19:21
Speaker 3: sei lá, o seu parente, uma filha.
1:19:22
Speaker 1: Mas nós temos que ser reflexivos e racionais. Quando eu
1:19:25
Speaker 1: não fui racionais, eu só me fudi, mano. Quando eu
1:19:29
Speaker 1: passei a ser racional, onde ele me trouxe? A racionalidade.
1:19:32
Speaker 3: But it's because maybe in a case like this, for
1:19:34
Speaker 3: you to be rational with something you've never seen and
1:19:38
Speaker 3: it's your daughter.
1:19:38
Speaker 1: If you're not prepared for this, get out of here, brother.
1:19:40
Speaker 1: Protect your family better. No one is free of a tragedy,
1:19:44
Speaker 1: but protect. Take care, zeal. Don't abandon your son. Don't
1:19:48
Speaker 1: let anyone enter your house. Don't be vulnerable. It's a
1:19:55
Speaker 1: light-hearted life, bro. No one is free of a tragedy.
1:20:00
Speaker 1: But if you're always vigilant there, protect yours, bro. Where
1:20:04
Speaker 1: there's smoke and fire, if you see a sign of something,
1:20:05
Speaker 1: avoid it.
1:20:07
Speaker 4: Hey, Angelo, how did you meet Dexter?
1:20:10
Speaker 1: I met Dexter, bro. I've always been a fan of Dexter, bro.
1:20:14
Speaker 4: Partner, bro.
1:20:15
Speaker 1: As I said, to sit in a chair like this
1:20:17
Speaker 1: is a great response. A lot of guys from Mil
1:20:19
Speaker 1: Graus sat here. Djonga, Dexter, this guy is heavy, bro. So,
1:20:24
Speaker 1: Dexter is like this. I've always been a big fan
1:20:26
Speaker 1: of the 509E at that time. And I was looking
1:20:28
Speaker 1: for it at the church. I went to live at
1:20:29
Speaker 1: the church in 1998. I was at the fair, by
1:20:32
Speaker 1: the way. Even an ambulance scares you, brother. Ambulance would
1:20:36
Speaker 1: give you nausea.
1:20:38
Speaker 5: Did you use other clothes?
1:20:39
Speaker 1: Did you cut your hair? Nothing, man. I discharacterized a little,
1:20:43
Speaker 1: but it didn't improve anything. The interesting thing was to
1:20:47
Speaker 1: try to look beautiful. My last name is Fusca because
1:20:49
Speaker 1: I had open ears. And then I did a surgery
1:20:51
Speaker 1: to close the ear. And I made a correction because
1:20:58
Speaker 1: my nasal cavity was too big, so I had that
1:20:59
Speaker 1: nose kind of snagged, you know? My wife is 35
1:21:02
Speaker 1: years old with me and she is crazy to have
1:21:04
Speaker 1: married me. She bet on it for real.
1:21:06
Speaker 5: Bet on the base, bro.
1:21:07
Speaker 1: Yeah, on the base. That's it, bro. It was on
1:21:10
Speaker 1: the base. She was like, this guy is going to
1:21:12
Speaker 1: be in the Champions League. And I'm in the Champions
1:21:16
Speaker 1: League today, bro. I'm seeing Ju Canaria's dick there, look.
1:21:18
Speaker 1: What an asshole. This is Pilantro. This is one of
1:21:22
Speaker 1: the biggest. And then, brother... Dexter. Dexter. We had a
1:21:30
Speaker 1: team in Baixada, right? We used to put the leather
1:21:33
Speaker 1: to eat. And then we would make the balls in
1:21:35
Speaker 1: Baixada and if they fell in the gutter, we would
1:21:38
Speaker 1: rescue them easily. We would rescue them in Dakar, in
1:21:39
Speaker 1: the Guarujá district. We would rescue them in Moeda.
1:21:42
Speaker 5: Does that stick a lot?
1:21:44
Speaker 1: A lot. It stuck a lot. In my time, it
1:21:45
Speaker 1: stuck a lot. Sometimes we would even do the rescue scene.
1:21:50
Speaker 1: It was a mess, but nobody was shooting anyone. You
1:21:51
Speaker 1: had to do the circus, but it was already paid
1:21:53
Speaker 1: to shoot. So you did.
1:21:57
Speaker 4: The circus for Datena to document?
1:21:59
Speaker 1: Exactly. It's there telling the news that we already know
1:22:01
Speaker 1: who wrote the script, it was us. The script was
1:22:05
Speaker 1: written in 100 marks, bro. You know what I mean?
1:22:08
Speaker 1: It looks like there was no shooting exchange. And then,
1:22:10
Speaker 1: as our team was rescuable, there was a B.O. that
1:22:14
Speaker 1: we put down there, that went bad. The guys were
1:22:20
Speaker 1: arrested and quickly transferred to detention. I was left behind,
1:22:24
Speaker 1: but other guys were left behind. And then one day
1:22:26
Speaker 1: I was at the fair, at that time it was
1:22:28
Speaker 1: Tese and BCP, the telephone. Cell phone telephony started with
1:22:31
Speaker 1: Tese and BCP. I think at the school it was
1:22:33
Speaker 1: Tese and in São Paulo it was BCP. And then
1:22:36
Speaker 1: I got a call, I have the phone there. What's up, brother?
1:22:38
Speaker 1: What's up, Truta, how are you? This and that, Belteno,
1:22:41
Speaker 1: the guys are all in detention calling me. Man, we're
1:22:43
Speaker 1: with a guy here who's not even called. Who? Are
1:22:46
Speaker 1: you a fan of him? Who, brother? I'm with Dexter,
1:22:48
Speaker 1: he's crazy, he's.
1:22:48
Speaker 5: Kidding, brother.
1:22:49
Speaker 1: Then he said, hey Negão, how are you? He knew
1:22:51
Speaker 1: I was Negão, so he said, man, I'm Fusco. Then
1:22:54
Speaker 1: we made a friendship on the phone. It seems to
1:22:58
Speaker 1: be the law of attraction, right? That was around 98, 99.
1:23:01
Speaker 1: Maximum 2000, I don't remember well. But in 2001 I
1:23:04
Speaker 1: was arrested. In 2001 I was arrested. Then it starts
1:23:07
Speaker 1: to get ready in jail. In 2003 I went to
1:23:09
Speaker 1: the isolation regime. In Avaré. In Avaré, in the isolation regime,
1:23:13
Speaker 1: the whip breaks. It was when the judge Machado died there.
1:23:15
Speaker 1: So you can imagine what happened within these isolation regimes, right?
1:23:19
Speaker 1: The revision in reason of what happened to him. And then,
1:23:22
Speaker 1: in theory, when you leave a place like this, you
1:23:26
Speaker 1: leave with the noise of the toilet in your head,
1:23:28
Speaker 1: you leave a little disturbed, because the isolation leaves you
1:23:30
Speaker 1: kind of crazy. How long did you stay in isolation?
1:23:33
Speaker 1: In that period I stayed 8 months. 8 months? What
1:23:34
Speaker 1: is this isolation? It's a cell, alone, individual, you have
1:23:37
Speaker 1: a sunbathe maybe once a week, because the right thing
1:23:40
Speaker 1: is to have an hour of sunbathing per day. But
1:23:45
Speaker 1: due to the number of prisoners, it wasn't possible. So
1:23:47
Speaker 1: there were four arenas in the morning and four in
1:23:50
Speaker 1: the afternoon. Four sunbaths. When there was a problem in
1:23:53
Speaker 1: the chair, there was no sunbath. In the cell, how many?
1:23:56
Speaker 1: One prisoner. Alone.
1:23:58
Speaker 3: Alone.
1:23:58
Speaker 1: Without television, without anything, without radio. At most, you could
1:24:01
Speaker 1: get a book to read. When the library employee was
1:24:04
Speaker 1: on leave, you didn't even have a book. And I
1:24:06
Speaker 1: kept asking, for God's sake, give me a bucket of medicine,
1:24:08
Speaker 1: anything for me to read, so I don't get crazy.
1:24:10
Speaker 3: How does the head stay, brother? If I stay half
1:24:11
Speaker 3: an hour without reading, without doing anything.
1:24:13
Speaker 1: Lock yourself in the bathroom of your house so you
1:24:15
Speaker 1: can see what you want. I'll stay here in the
1:24:17
Speaker 1: bathroom for a week, just pay me the boy here. Coffee,
1:24:18
Speaker 1: lunch and dinner. No, if I get scared. Open the door,
1:24:20
Speaker 1: play here like this and close. Just for you to
1:24:22
Speaker 1: make an experience. There wasn't a moment when you thought
1:24:26
Speaker 1: you were... Can you stay at your house for a
1:24:27
Speaker 1: month without going out to the street? No, I can't
1:24:29
Speaker 1: stay for three days. And suppose you live in a
1:24:31
Speaker 1: good comfort, in all that you want.
1:24:32
Speaker 3: Sometimes I say, people, I have to stay more at
1:24:34
Speaker 3: my house, it's so cool, I go out a lot.
1:24:36
Speaker 1: You see the difference? And it's easy. So I talk
1:24:43
Speaker 1: to him and stuff, I stay two and a half years,
1:24:44
Speaker 1: I go to the isolation regime. When I leave the isolation,
1:24:47
Speaker 1: I went to Franco da Rocha, it's another story. When
1:24:50
Speaker 1: I get to Franco da Rocha, I go to the sea,
1:24:51
Speaker 1: the guys say, bro, you left and stuff. Then the
1:24:53
Speaker 1: guys call me, with Dexter from São Vicente. He said, man,
1:24:57
Speaker 1: I left, I said, hey, Negronfo, man, it's great, it's
1:24:59
Speaker 1: a satisfaction, how are you? Everyone worried about how your
1:25:01
Speaker 1: head is. Are you okay, man? How's your family? Is
1:25:03
Speaker 1: it cool? Are you firm? I'm firm. The guy realizes
1:25:06
Speaker 1: that you have a cool head. He said, oh, say
1:25:08
Speaker 1: hi to the sister-in-law there, to hear the 105, I'm
1:25:10
Speaker 1: going to say hi to Fábio Rogério now, I'm going
1:25:12
Speaker 1: to send a song to you. A greeting.
1:25:14
Speaker 5: For this light, man.
1:25:15
Speaker 1: Then I called my wife at the time, I said, Preta,
1:25:17
Speaker 1: go to the 105, Dexter is going to send a greeting.
1:25:20
Speaker 1: I didn't know Dexter personally, I knew him by voice,
1:25:22
Speaker 1: I knew him from the draft of... from his tv cd,
1:25:24
Speaker 1: from everything we've seen. Especially the emblematic debate with Conti Lopes,
1:25:29
Speaker 1: who was marked as a revolutionary.
1:25:31
Speaker 5: How crazy was that on tv.
1:25:32
Speaker 1: And there, his freedom of expression was stolen and he
1:25:35
Speaker 1: was arrested and never came out again. After a little
1:25:37
Speaker 1: more than 160 exits, he never came out again. And
1:25:41
Speaker 1: then when he sends this song, man, the chain bounces. Damn,
1:25:44
Speaker 1: Dexter sent it. Because on the chain, 105 is the
1:25:46
Speaker 1: radio of the night. It's where you get a message
1:25:49
Speaker 1: from a visitor who can't visit you. There are visits
1:25:52
Speaker 1: on the radio. Everything is fine, your process, you won.
1:25:55
Speaker 1: You won the Abyss Corps, you didn't win, you go
1:25:57
Speaker 1: to the semi-open. Between one song and another, there are
1:26:00
Speaker 1: several saves.
1:26:02
Speaker 5: Which song did he dedicate to you?
1:26:03
Speaker 1: Oitavo Anjo. That's right. They found it.
1:26:05
Speaker 4: This is marked in me to this day.
1:26:08
Speaker 1: Did it give you strength? It gave me a lot
1:26:10
Speaker 1: of strength. Then, as time goes by, I'm in the RDO,
1:26:13
Speaker 1: one of the coolest regimes of the time, which was Iaras.
1:26:20
Speaker 1: maximum security in the interior, which was also a very
1:26:23
Speaker 1: large core of leadership. And we were there at the
1:26:26
Speaker 1: maximum in 10, 15, and the rest of the team
1:26:28
Speaker 1: was all brothers. And then Dexter arrives. When Dexter arrives,
1:26:32
Speaker 1: because he's on the grid there, we sing this piece
1:26:34
Speaker 1: in the song, I become a rapper in this era,
1:26:36
Speaker 1: there's just a part that I say, he's on the
1:26:39
Speaker 1: grid there, I'm seeing, I know who he is, he
1:26:40
Speaker 1: doesn't know who I am. Then I talk to him
1:26:43
Speaker 1: like this, he's there and I say like this, hey,
1:26:45
Speaker 1: black man. And he's there with It's like a radar,
1:26:49
Speaker 1: you have to look at the chain, who is it?
1:26:51
Speaker 1: It was just us loose there, because we were from
1:26:52
Speaker 1: the sector. Then Dexter comes in. When Dexter comes in,
1:26:57
Speaker 1: he greets one, comments the other on the walk that
1:27:00
Speaker 1: he knows. I said, hey, Negrão, firmness? He said, who
1:27:02
Speaker 1: are you? I'm Fusca. He, damn, jumped on my arm,
1:27:05
Speaker 1: hugged me. Damn, Negrão, how cool. And you, bro, firm?
1:27:07
Speaker 1: In the song, Destino do Réu, I take it and
1:27:11
Speaker 1: tell him, hey, Negrão, who would say you're here? Because
1:27:13
Speaker 1: I said that to him on the grid, right? On
1:27:14
Speaker 1: the other side of the grid, I said, hey, Negrão,
1:27:16
Speaker 1: who would say you're here? He said, yeah, João.
1:27:18
Speaker 4: It was crazy.
1:27:19
Speaker 1: When I came to stop, it was like I was
1:27:21
Speaker 1: going to the streets. He sings in the Destino do
1:27:23
Speaker 1: Réu that he was in São Vicente, studying, working, and
1:27:27
Speaker 1: suddenly the guys put a bomb in his hand and
1:27:29
Speaker 1: sent it. He started to pedal in the system. He
1:27:31
Speaker 1: went to the Monster Park where we were.
1:27:32
Speaker 4: He told us here that he went down the stairs
1:27:34
Speaker 4: with his knee.
1:27:35
Speaker 1: Knee, humiliated. Those humiliations. And then, when we hang out
1:27:38
Speaker 1: and hug, we become a big partner. And then we
1:27:41
Speaker 1: start pedaling together in the cage, exchanging ideas, talking about it.
1:27:44
Speaker 1: At the weekend, he was at home. I said, dude,
1:27:46
Speaker 1: how many years ago did we talk about all this
1:27:48
Speaker 1: that we are living today? Was it worth it or
1:27:50
Speaker 1: not to persevere?
1:27:52
Speaker 4: I love hearing Dexter, because he is a guy who
1:27:54
Speaker 4: has resocialized himself, you know?
1:27:56
Speaker 5: And he resocialized himself.
1:27:59
Speaker 1: Self-resocialization.
1:28:00
Speaker 5: With art, that. Alone, right, man? Because if you depend.
1:28:05
Speaker 4: I think he has people who helped him, he talks
1:28:06
Speaker 4: a lot about a woman who opened the project for
1:28:09
Speaker 4: him to end up being in the singing career. But
1:28:11
Speaker 4: if you wait for the state to improve, it ends
1:28:14
Speaker 4: up that this does not happen. And I wanted to
1:28:18
Speaker 4: talk about him because I really like him, Dexter is
1:28:20
Speaker 4: a brother that we created here via Podpah, and I
1:28:23
Speaker 4: know that you are his godfather. People call you god
1:28:25
Speaker 4: damn godfather because of him.
1:28:26
Speaker 1: This affectionate nickname has been distorted.
1:28:30
Speaker 4: Really?
1:28:30
Speaker 1: It's a kind of parenthesis that I created with Dexter.
1:28:33
Speaker 1: That becomes a nickname because he's in the middle of
1:28:35
Speaker 1: the artists' football. Dexter called me godfather, people called me
1:28:38
Speaker 1: godfather godfather, and I became godfather. But after I left
1:28:41
Speaker 1: prison and started working in football, resuming my professional life,
1:28:46
Speaker 1: the cowardice of certain agencies began to pay for the
1:28:49
Speaker 1: guys who put the godfather of drug trafficking. the powerful boss,
1:28:53
Speaker 1: making allusions. For example, I work today at Elenco Esportes,
1:28:56
Speaker 1: one of the largest sports management companies in the country.
1:28:59
Speaker 1: Because they have hugged me, helped me in this process
1:29:02
Speaker 1: of socialization, transformed my life, and being an agent today
1:29:05
Speaker 1: of football, a lot of companies, when they go to
1:29:08
Speaker 1: make a capture, or above all, try to take our player,
1:29:09
Speaker 1: go there and cowardly tell these families that there on
1:29:13
Speaker 1: the cast is closed with the PCC, that there is
1:29:16
Speaker 1: a guy who is from the PCC who is me. Then, suddenly,
1:29:20
Speaker 1: they can take something, some material of mine that I'm
1:29:22
Speaker 1: exposed on the internet and send it to this family
1:29:25
Speaker 1: to shield. To be able to open this access and say, no, really,
1:29:29
Speaker 1: the guys are involved.
1:29:30
Speaker 4: No.
1:29:30
Speaker 1: The cast does a job that few companies have the
1:29:33
Speaker 1: courage to do and did. Helped in my transformation process.
1:29:37
Speaker 1: Believed in me. Because, even when we started to take
1:29:40
Speaker 1: a step, I told Guilherme Miranda and Garcia, Mr. Garcia,
1:29:42
Speaker 1: I said, look, I'm not going to the company anymore because...
1:29:45
Speaker 1: They're using my life to throw stones at your roof.
1:29:47
Speaker 1: You know what they told me? You're doing something wrong.
1:29:49
Speaker 1: I said, no, you're not going to do it. So
1:29:51
Speaker 1: fuck it, let them talk. Come work. And I've been
1:29:54
Speaker 1: in the cast since I left prison in August 2018.
1:29:56
Speaker 1: How did you get involved with football, my brother? I've
1:29:58
Speaker 1: always been in love with football. Police, remember? Second baton
1:30:02
Speaker 1: of shock.
1:30:02
Speaker 5: Yes.
1:30:02
Speaker 1: I tried to be a player. I tried to be
1:30:07
Speaker 1: a player. And I set up, from the semi-open, a
1:30:10
Speaker 1: logistics company. I start delivering orders in Quebrada, employing only
1:30:13
Speaker 1: the former prison officer. revolutionize logistics in the risk area,
1:30:17
Speaker 1: create a fantastic giant business and start investing in it.
1:30:20
Speaker 1: I do postgraduate studies. In prison, I did business administration college,
1:30:24
Speaker 1: bachelor of administration, four years.
1:30:26
Speaker 5: And that helped to lower your penalty, I imagine.
1:30:27
Speaker 1: It helped a lot, a lot. Study, everything helped. Courses,
1:30:30
Speaker 1: it was helping. Reading, including, doing reviews of the reading, right?
1:30:34
Speaker 1: This reduces the penalty. So I was working for it.
1:30:37
Speaker 1: And I set up this logistics, from this logistics I
1:30:40
Speaker 1: start to earn good figures, I set up a football office,
1:30:43
Speaker 1: first I get involved with a pilantra, then a second
1:30:46
Speaker 1: more pilantra still, that go to the guys and say,
1:30:48
Speaker 1: I say, Malandro, give me back my money, uncle, because
1:30:51
Speaker 1: I still had the noise of a charrette in my head.
1:30:53
Speaker 1: I said, Malandro, give me my money, what were the
1:30:57
Speaker 1: pilantras the guys did? Asking money for the family to
1:31:00
Speaker 1: do tests, penises, lies. asking for money, the player was
1:31:05
Speaker 1: going to have a certain contract, he asked for money
1:31:07
Speaker 1: to be able to close the player, twisting the families,
1:31:10
Speaker 1: get out. And I even said a statement that is
1:31:12
Speaker 1: quite brutal and kind of ignorant, it's the following, if
1:31:14
Speaker 1: I have to do something wrong, I'm going to put
1:31:17
Speaker 1: the iron in again, Truta, but I'm not going to
1:31:18
Speaker 1: steal you, I'm not going to steal a player, the
1:31:21
Speaker 1: guy is an agent of mine, I have shame on
1:31:22
Speaker 1: my face, this is lack of humbleness, I work there
1:31:25
Speaker 1: in an honest way, if I see something wrong, I
1:31:27
Speaker 1: will correct it, and if I can't correct it, I'm
1:31:30
Speaker 1: going out, I don't get involved in wrong things, My
1:31:33
Speaker 1: life is different. If I have to do something wrong,
1:31:34
Speaker 1: I go to a strong car, which is Mil Grau,
1:31:36
Speaker 1: which has adrenaline, has tension, but it's already wrong. It's bad. So,
1:31:40
Speaker 1: with you, I won't betray you, I won't betray you,
1:31:43
Speaker 1: I'll do a Mil Grau job. That's what I like
1:31:44
Speaker 1: to do. It's to take care of people. Then I
1:31:46
Speaker 1: started to invest in football and I was lucky. My
1:31:50
Speaker 1: first player that I reveal, who was a kid, still
1:31:51
Speaker 1: in Corinthians, was Luciano. I've been Luciano's businessman since always.
1:31:55
Speaker 1: And then, I develop Luciano, Negueba worked with me, Leandro Amaro,
1:31:59
Speaker 1: only player Mil Grau at the time. But I was
1:32:02
Speaker 1: arrested in 2014. When I was arrested in 2014, in
1:32:04
Speaker 1: a mega operation of international trafficking, I write a book
1:32:08
Speaker 1: in the chain that I say, bro, this is not
1:32:10
Speaker 1: life for me. Because I had involvement, but I had stopped.
1:32:13
Speaker 4: Were you in the B.O.? I was in the B.O.
1:32:15
Speaker 1: But, bro, one hour the bill arrives. The Federal Police
1:32:20
Speaker 1: was and indicated me in everything I was. And I
1:32:22
Speaker 1: took four and a half years to prove a certain innocence. So,
1:32:26
Speaker 1: what I was innocent, I really proved. What I was
1:32:28
Speaker 1: not innocent, the bill arrived and I paid and I
1:32:29
Speaker 1: was four and a half years arrested. And then until
1:32:32
Speaker 1: I recover my wallet. But then I come back, I
1:32:34
Speaker 1: come back with an extra book, because I was sure
1:32:37
Speaker 1: that education, the book, the literature would free me. And
1:32:40
Speaker 1: then when I publish my book, I start going to
1:32:42
Speaker 1: the academic campuses. PUC, Methodist, Federal University of São Carlos.
1:32:47
Speaker 1: I revolutionize the culture.
1:32:48
Speaker 3: How did you convince to be listened to, to go
1:32:51
Speaker 3: to these places, to talk, to look at my book?
1:32:53
Speaker 1: The power of literature is very great. There are people
1:32:55
Speaker 1: who ignore it. But it was in the hands of
1:32:57
Speaker 1: intellectuals who started and said, how did this guy survive this?
1:33:01
Speaker 1: I want to meet this guy. So I went to
1:33:03
Speaker 1: the academic campuses. I met a professor, Wagner Marques, who,
1:33:06
Speaker 1: when I gave him my book, my manuscript, he spent
1:33:08
Speaker 1: a night drinking wine and he went crazy. And I said,
1:33:13
Speaker 1: I want to publish this book. He helped me publish
1:33:15
Speaker 1: this book. And he took this book in the hands
1:33:17
Speaker 1: of the right people. He said, look at the story
1:33:20
Speaker 1: of this guy. That's where I went to stop. It
1:33:22
Speaker 1: was the Law Week at PUC, Dom Paulo e Valerio Soares.
1:33:24
Speaker 1: It was at Metodistas de Porto Alegre, which was a
1:33:27
Speaker 1: very crazy thing. The guys said, how is it that
1:33:29
Speaker 1: the rector has a PCC here? And everyone says it's PCC,
1:33:32
Speaker 1: and I've never been to PCC. Everywhere I go, people say, PCC, bro,
1:33:35
Speaker 1: you don't understand the relationship. I was a partner. If
1:33:38
Speaker 1: you don't get in the chain like I told you,
1:33:39
Speaker 1: you'll end up as a partner. Where were you? In
1:33:40
Speaker 1: the chain of command. Are you a brother?
1:33:42
Speaker 4: No.
1:33:42
Speaker 1: What are you? A partner. Because I'm in the company
1:33:45
Speaker 1: of the guys. So there's a totally different relationship. You
1:33:49
Speaker 1: have an obligation to be in position as a prisoner,
1:33:52
Speaker 1: but the regulation, according to the statute, is pertinent to PCC, bro.
1:33:57
Speaker 1: It's not you who goes there to discuss, it's the
1:33:59
Speaker 1: PCC who goes there to demand that food is on
1:34:02
Speaker 1: the table, demand the right of the prisoner to discuss,
1:34:04
Speaker 1: to take a beating, to fuck himself in the hands
1:34:06
Speaker 1: of justice. This is part of the guys, because who
1:34:09
Speaker 1: created this? Who created it was the absence of the State.
1:34:12
Speaker 1: It's not the current government, nor the previous government, nor anything.
1:34:15
Speaker 1: It's years of stories of abandonment that transformed this. The
1:34:19
Speaker 1: Red Command, when it emerged in Rio de Janeiro, and
1:34:22
Speaker 1: there's a movie called 400 against 1, it was there
1:34:25
Speaker 1: in the prison of Ilha Grande, subversive to the politics
1:34:28
Speaker 1: of the time of the military dictatorship, with robbers who
1:34:31
Speaker 1: got together and created the Red Flag. Then it was
1:34:33
Speaker 1: broken and each one turned, the subversives continued to go there,
1:34:37
Speaker 1: and here, in Escadinha, intellectuality entered the heads of the guys.
1:34:43
Speaker 5: It's the state's abhorrence, right?
1:34:44
Speaker 1: So, it's a, it's causes and effects. So, for you
1:34:47
Speaker 1: to change this reality today, É a longo prazo, irmão.
1:34:51
Speaker 1: Não é desse jeito. E é na raiz. E sabe como?
1:34:54
Speaker 5: Não no fruto.
1:34:54
Speaker 1: Sabe como?
1:34:55
Speaker 4: Como?
1:34:56
Speaker 1: O crime tem que deixar de ser interessante. Como que
1:35:00
Speaker 1: faz isso?
1:35:00
Speaker 4: O crime é palanque, né?
1:35:01
Speaker 1: Como faz isso? Deixar de ser interessante? Porque ele é interessantíssimo. Primeiro,
1:35:06
Speaker 1: ele rende muito pro Estado. O Estado corrupto. Porque necessitam
1:35:14
Speaker 1: de verbas e verbas e verbas, mas essas verbas não
1:35:16
Speaker 1: são aplicadas lá. And revolution is not done with weapons.
1:35:20
Speaker 1: Revolution is done with education. It's done with literature, it's
1:35:23
Speaker 1: done with culture. I brought you here a painting, a
1:35:25
Speaker 1: cap and everything. What a painting! Of people who invest
1:35:29
Speaker 1: in culture there. And there is no state there, investing
1:35:31
Speaker 1: in these guys. They are investing in culture. They are
1:35:34
Speaker 1: fans of you and I brought the gift for you.
1:35:36
Speaker 1: Look at the sensational art that.
1:35:37
Speaker 5: The guys did. What is the name of the graffiti guys?
1:35:39
Speaker 1: It's Dumen, from Itaim Paulista. And the project is....
1:35:44
Speaker 5: Then bring the picture.
1:35:45
Speaker 1: Bring it here for people to see, because it's sensational. So, man,
1:35:48
Speaker 1: you see, there are people working there at the base,
1:35:51
Speaker 1: saving lives through culture, through education, sarau, music, funk. The
1:35:56
Speaker 1: guys are criminalizing. What's the point of wanting to criminalize funk? Oh,
1:36:00
Speaker 1: the guy sings, he sings what he lived. It's the same,
1:36:01
Speaker 1: I'm saying what I lived. I'm not apologizing to crime,
1:36:04
Speaker 1: it's written on my skin, man. I didn't take any literature.
1:36:07
Speaker 1: If I talk about literature, I'll talk about Dom Casmurro,
1:36:10
Speaker 1: I'll talk about Captain Jare, I'll talk about 48 Laws
1:36:14
Speaker 1: of Power. I'll talk about these things. But these things
1:36:17
Speaker 1: are not written in me, brother. It's written in the
1:36:19
Speaker 1: skin of another person, another character.
1:36:20
Speaker 3: But when people say, you telling this, sharing this experience,
1:36:23
Speaker 3: doesn't it arouse a desire in a young man who
1:36:25
Speaker 3: has nothing to lose, to commit a crime, to want
1:36:26
Speaker 3: to live these crazy things too?
1:36:28
Speaker 1: You have to know how to understand the information. We
1:36:32
Speaker 1: have a great lack of interpretation. Enem has low grades,
1:36:36
Speaker 1: until a while ago they had low grades, precisely because
1:36:39
Speaker 1: of the inability to interpret texts. And I say several
1:36:43
Speaker 1: times on the internet, if you are not able to understand,
1:36:45
Speaker 1: to interpret my speech, imagine if it were written.
1:36:49
Speaker 3: Wow.
1:36:49
Speaker 1: So the idea that I bring, brother, I tell everything
1:36:52
Speaker 1: that happened for the person to understand that it's not
1:36:54
Speaker 1: a joke that shit there, for the guy to situate himself,
1:36:58
Speaker 1: as we said, bro, situate yourself. This is not the
1:36:59
Speaker 1: place for you.
1:37:01
Speaker 4: No, and for the kids, bro, if you're thinking from
1:37:03
Speaker 4: the heart, even... and get into this because it's hard
1:37:07
Speaker 4: to get something, you want to buy a tennis, you
1:37:10
Speaker 4: want to buy a motorcycle, it's an illusion, guys.
1:37:12
Speaker 5: It's a life.
1:37:13
Speaker 4: Without a future, really, it's a chain of death. They're
1:37:15
Speaker 4: planting an idea in your.
1:37:16
Speaker 1: Head that it's not true, bro. It's not true, bro,
1:37:18
Speaker 1: get out of here.
1:37:19
Speaker 4: Let you have an idea, this painting, look.
1:37:20
Speaker 1: Thank you, what is it? Graffiti House, there in the
1:37:22
Speaker 1: East Zone. Look at this painting, bro, it's absurd. On
1:37:26
Speaker 1: the 13th, 13th now that comes, I'm going to give
1:37:29
Speaker 1: a lecture to the guys there, from this house of culture.
1:37:32
Speaker 1: And you can be sure that... Strengthen precisely this movement,
1:37:35
Speaker 1: which is culture, art, football, sports. If we invest in sports,
1:37:41
Speaker 1: especially Olympic sports, as China invests, many of these soldiers
1:37:46
Speaker 1: who died there would not be there. Many of these soldiers,
1:37:50
Speaker 1: because the hand of work, who has, holds the bullet
1:37:52
Speaker 1: to hire this hand of work, will be without hand
1:37:54
Speaker 1: of work, because it is not more interesting. If you
1:37:56
Speaker 1: take the complex there and set up a serious, true
1:37:59
Speaker 1: Olympic center, A professional training center for ex-sentenciados and resocialization.
1:38:05
Speaker 1: It's not just the guy who went to jail. He
1:38:07
Speaker 1: left there directed to have a new opportunity in life.
1:38:10
Speaker 1: The guy leaves, no, no. Looking for a job, no, no, no.
1:38:15
Speaker 1: Only discredited. Only that he has a son crying, or
1:38:17
Speaker 1: he has his own needs. And he looks at everyone,
1:38:19
Speaker 1: everyone discrediting, talking bad about him. What will he do?
1:38:21
Speaker 1: I'm going to discount the bunch of motherfuckers.
1:38:25
Speaker 5: That's it.
1:38:27
Speaker 1: And then the new guy who is angry says, I'm
1:38:30
Speaker 1: with you, my closure. Let's go. The residency, it makes
1:38:35
Speaker 1: a capture, like in football, it makes a capture of
1:38:37
Speaker 1: the new guy. Let's play a ball there, because the
1:38:39
Speaker 1: guy plays a lot, I want to play with him.
1:38:40
Speaker 1: Then I discovered a new talent. Boy, you play for
1:38:42
Speaker 1: fuck's sake. It's like a boy who went there, got
1:38:45
Speaker 1: the first B. He already thinks he's big. Man, let's go,
1:38:46
Speaker 1: you saw? Damn, how much I got, I've never seen
1:38:48
Speaker 1: all this money. He entered the way of the kid.
1:38:51
Speaker 1: He already contaminated.
1:38:54
Speaker 4: Ângelo, you met a guy who is very important here
1:38:58
Speaker 4: for us. He is the most seen episode of this podcast.
1:39:02
Speaker 4: He is a guy who, even after having left, continues
1:39:06
Speaker 4: to inspire many people. And he is a guy who lived, unfortunately,
1:39:10
Speaker 4: because of misery and is in a low place of society.
1:39:14
Speaker 4: He was a smuggler for a while.
1:39:16
Speaker 5: He sang that. He saved himself.
1:39:20
Speaker 4: In art.
1:39:21
Speaker 5: Unfortunately, he passed away. How did you meet MC Kevin,
1:39:26
Speaker 5: my brother?
1:39:27
Speaker 1: I met Kevin through the sports cast. I was working there.
1:39:31
Speaker 5: And you played a lot, huh?
1:39:32
Speaker 4: I played.
1:39:33
Speaker 1: Look how crazy that is. Two times that I remember Kevin.
1:39:35
Speaker 4: I wanted to talk about him because I feel like
1:39:38
Speaker 4: he's a guy who's kind of angelic.
1:39:41
Speaker 1: Today, at first, Navan coming here, it moves me a lot.
1:39:46
Speaker 1: Gratitude is something you have to have. I sent a
1:39:49
Speaker 1: message to Dona Val.
1:39:50
Speaker 5: She sent a message to us, to me.
1:39:51
Speaker 1: I said, Val, the recognition of my work, he started
1:39:56
Speaker 1: there with your son. And I'm grateful for where I'm
1:39:59
Speaker 1: going now, and where I am now, and where I'm
1:40:01
Speaker 1: going to get to your son too. He contributed to that.
1:40:04
Speaker 1: Because in reason of this tragedy, I didn't write this
1:40:06
Speaker 1: part for her, I thanked her in this way, but
1:40:07
Speaker 1: in my thought, damn, I'm coming here, but behind this
1:40:11
Speaker 1: story there's also a tragedy. That I lost a sensational boy.
1:40:16
Speaker 1: For me it was a loss, it was like my patient,
1:40:17
Speaker 1: I lost a patient.
1:40:18
Speaker 4: We lost, brother.
1:40:19
Speaker 1: Because until then I hadn't worked with an artist of music.
1:40:22
Speaker 1: I worked in soccer, my job was just ball, doing
1:40:25
Speaker 1: sports management, enjoy here, don't go there. It was that way.
1:40:28
Speaker 1: I meet Kevin in a game of the Sports cast, 2019,
1:40:31
Speaker 1: middle of the year, and we went to a tatuapé,
1:40:35
Speaker 1: playing barbecue, paella. I'm a little scared to play, but
1:40:39
Speaker 1: I'm old. I went to the locker room to play. First,
1:40:42
Speaker 1: I took a kick from Gabriel Magalhães, and he hit
1:40:44
Speaker 1: me hard. I hit him like this.
1:40:47
Speaker 5: You're like Dexter. Brau said Dexter was like that too.
1:40:49
Speaker 1: Dexter is just confusion. When we got confused at the
1:40:53
Speaker 1: locker room, we didn't even have to go to the field.
1:40:56
Speaker 1: We were already on him.
1:40:58
Speaker 4: You were always there.
1:40:59
Speaker 1: We were on him. We didn't even have to call him.
1:41:01
Speaker 1: He was already here. Now, this is the time. You
1:41:04
Speaker 1: have to come together. We're going to have a lot
1:41:06
Speaker 1: of laughter. And then I met Kevin there, and I
1:41:10
Speaker 1: saw the kid running like hell. Malko, for God's sake, right?
1:41:13
Speaker 1: Above average, Guilherme Arana, the guys eating the ball. It's
1:41:16
Speaker 1: all our agency. Rodrigo Varanda, crazy, but also playing a lot.
1:41:20
Speaker 1: And then I see Dexter, Kevin, man, playing like hell.
1:41:24
Speaker 1: I said, what the hell is this kid? I didn't
1:41:26
Speaker 1: know him, I thought he was an MC. And I
1:41:28
Speaker 1: was stuck, bro, in a period when funk blew up.
1:41:30
Speaker 4: 14 there.
1:41:31
Speaker 1: And then I remember him when a photo arrives. I
1:41:34
Speaker 1: was always in the cage because I didn't have a phone,
1:41:38
Speaker 1: and my wife was printing pictures, and I was seeing pictures. Then,
1:41:41
Speaker 1: with a boy who was my nephew, who played soccer,
1:41:44
Speaker 1: they went to Cafu's house for a party game. Then
1:41:47
Speaker 1: Kevin also went to Cafu's house. Then there's a picture,
1:41:49
Speaker 1: and I asked my wife, who is this boy here?
1:41:52
Speaker 1: She said, this is Kevin, he's an MC, a boy
1:41:53
Speaker 1: from music. I said, okay. When I saw him play,
1:41:56
Speaker 1: I remembered, the photo of this boy who arrived in
1:41:58
Speaker 1: the cage. Look how crazy he is. And I made
1:42:02
Speaker 1: friends with him, we played together a little bit. From there,
1:42:05
Speaker 1: we went to a quiet place. In the quiet place,
1:42:09
Speaker 1: he was very spontaneous. He was like, come here, come here.
1:42:14
Speaker 1: Kevin was like an avassalador. He was like, come here,
1:42:17
Speaker 1: come here. I was like, I'm slow, I just came
1:42:19
Speaker 1: to hang out with you. And then I made friends
1:42:22
Speaker 1: with him. I already lived in a condominium in Mogi
1:42:26
Speaker 1: das Cruzes. He moved to the Eco Park, where I
1:42:30
Speaker 1: live today. I lived in the other one. He moved
1:42:31
Speaker 1: to the Eco Park and the guys called me and said, look,
1:42:33
Speaker 1: Kev is living there next to your house. There's going
1:42:35
Speaker 1: to be a barbecue there. Do you want to touch it?
1:42:38
Speaker 1: I said, I'm on the side here, I'll go, okay?
1:42:40
Speaker 1: Then the guys said, he's going to call you. Then
1:42:41
Speaker 1: he sends a message. Hey, dude, come here to my house.
1:42:43
Speaker 1: I'm living here. I'm your neighbor now.
1:42:44
Speaker 5: All happy, right, bro?
1:42:45
Speaker 1: It was a conquest. Then I went to Kev's house.
1:42:47
Speaker 1: So we started to exchange ideas, and Kevin is very popular.
1:42:50
Speaker 1: So in Kevin's house, there are.
1:42:53
Speaker 5: People from everywhere.
1:42:54
Speaker 4: And he is also a guy with such a good
1:42:56
Speaker 4: heart that he's like.
1:42:57
Speaker 1: Kevin, you can come. No, you can come, just come.
1:43:00
Speaker 1: There's no such thing. Wow, I'd make her crazy. His
1:43:02
Speaker 1: house looked like a SESC.
1:43:03
Speaker 5: Yes, that's true.
1:43:04
Speaker 1: What a crazy cinema.
1:43:06
Speaker 4: It's true.
1:43:07
Speaker 1: It's always been like that. Then I get to his
1:43:09
Speaker 1: house and we start to exchange ideas. We were still
1:43:12
Speaker 1: kind of in that posture and stuff, right? And talking
1:43:16
Speaker 1: to each other, I knocked a guy in his house,
1:43:17
Speaker 1: who also took some days off. Then the guy came
1:43:20
Speaker 1: to me and said, man, are you Fusco? I said,
1:43:22
Speaker 1: it's me, man. He was at Rai 2 in Aras?
1:43:23
Speaker 1: I said, it's me. I'm Fulano, but I also took
1:43:26
Speaker 1: some days off. He was there at 4 and such. Oh, satisfaction, man.
1:43:28
Speaker 1: You're a thousand degrees and such. You're the ex-police there,
1:43:30
Speaker 1: from the resgates? I said, it's me. Oh, the satisfaction
1:43:33
Speaker 1: is great. Then the Kevin stuck.
1:43:34
Speaker 5: Oh, do you know him?
1:43:35
Speaker 1: He said, no. He took it there and then he
1:43:37
Speaker 1: saw how the conversation was like. We were in the
1:43:39
Speaker 1: same place, I started talking to the guys who were there,
1:43:41
Speaker 1: the references, the ideas were hitting. I said, I'm an entrepreneur,
1:43:44
Speaker 1: I wrote a book. He said, you wrote a book?
1:43:46
Speaker 5: I said, yes.
1:43:47
Speaker 1: I said, how come? You wrote a book in prison?
1:43:50
Speaker 1: He said, yes. Look at his mind. I wrote a
1:43:53
Speaker 1: book in prison. It's not possible for you to write
1:43:56
Speaker 1: a book in prison. I said, I'll give you one.
1:43:57
Speaker 1: He said, I have one in my car.
1:43:59
Speaker 5: I got out of there.
1:43:59
Speaker 1: When I gave him the book, I brought another one
1:44:01
Speaker 1: for Mano too. He was amazed. He started walking and said, mom.
1:44:06
Speaker 1: He wrote a book, but who is he? Look, who
1:44:07
Speaker 1: is he, Kev? No, man, he got arrested. Adora Naval
1:44:10
Speaker 1: said in my face, Kev, you only walk with a bandit.
1:44:12
Speaker 1: It's not possible and such. We talk a lot about it, right?
1:44:15
Speaker 1: It's not possible, all your friends are bandits. It's spontaneous.
1:44:20
Speaker 1: Then I was in mine, I said, mom, mom, sacred,
1:44:23
Speaker 1: you have to respect. I said, she's right, right, man?
1:44:25
Speaker 5: There you go, quiet.
1:44:29
Speaker 1: Then I started to go to his house, and he
1:44:32
Speaker 1: started to read my books.
1:44:33
Speaker 5: Then Mrs.
1:44:34
Speaker 1: Val called me one day and I went to his
1:44:37
Speaker 1: house to talk to her. She asked me what my
1:44:40
Speaker 1: job was. I said I was a football player, I
1:44:42
Speaker 1: do mentoring. I explained to her what I was doing.
1:44:44
Speaker 1: I explained to her that Kev didn't listen to me,
1:44:48
Speaker 1: that he thinks I was rich, that we were friends, etc.
1:44:51
Speaker 1: Then I started to talk to her. She said if
1:44:53
Speaker 1: I didn't want to do it, I said I would
1:44:55
Speaker 1: do an experiment, if she liked it, we would do
1:44:57
Speaker 1: a job together. But I wanted to do it, so
1:44:59
Speaker 1: I started to take care of Kevin. Any problem he had,
1:45:02
Speaker 1: I would take care of it. And I changed his mind.
1:45:05
Speaker 1: It was very hard at the beginning. Kevin was very hardworking.
1:45:09
Speaker 1: Kevin was declared three times. Three times. He lived a lot.
1:45:13
Speaker 1: He went to Rio to record. It has nothing to
1:45:16
Speaker 1: do with it. Music is music. There are some ignorant
1:45:19
Speaker 1: guys who say you can't do it like that. There
1:45:22
Speaker 1: are some intolerant guys. That doesn't exist. They are artists.
1:45:27
Speaker 1: There was a B.O. that was there, that Kev took
1:45:30
Speaker 1: and took a picture like this in Rio. I was like, bro.
1:45:34
Speaker 1: The guys see me with Kev on the internet. The
1:45:37
Speaker 1: guys called me and said, bro, this MC there that
1:45:40
Speaker 1: you thought was an entrepreneur, that you're an entrepreneur there
1:45:42
Speaker 1: doing everything, two, there in Rio. But who called me
1:45:44
Speaker 1: was a new kid. The youngest guy taking on the position,
1:45:47
Speaker 1: but I didn't even know how it worked. The guys
1:45:49
Speaker 1: were like, bro, it's not even for that. He was
1:45:52
Speaker 1: doing everything, two. I said, no, bro. Where is it?
1:45:54
Speaker 1: The guy sent the print. I said, it has nothing
1:45:55
Speaker 1: to do, bro. The guy is taking a picture, he
1:45:58
Speaker 1: holds the glass and does it. But the problem was
1:46:02
Speaker 1: that Kevin talked. And instead of thinking, Kevin said, I
1:46:06
Speaker 1: want you to fuck off, I'm an artist and such.
1:46:11
Speaker 1: I'm here, I have a friend, a bandit, a drug dealer.
1:46:13
Speaker 1: Fuck the police, fuck it. I don't owe anything to
1:46:17
Speaker 1: the crime, I don't have anything to do with the crime.
1:46:20
Speaker 1: And the guys say, what is he talking about? Then
1:46:22
Speaker 1: the guys start to remember the threats that Kevin had
1:46:24
Speaker 1: and kills. He was an artist, a new, spontaneous kid.
1:46:27
Speaker 1: He had kicked the face of someone who was involved.
1:46:28
Speaker 1: He had kicked the face of someone else. And the
1:46:31
Speaker 1: guys were like, no, Kev, fight with someone else. You know? So,
1:46:34
Speaker 1: the guys came and I started to talk to them.
1:46:38
Speaker 1: I said, Kev, don't come back to São Paulo, it's bad. Then,
1:46:41
Speaker 1: I said, you can come back. What was meant to
1:46:43
Speaker 1: die has become a shit. What has become a shit
1:46:45
Speaker 1: has fallen into a retraction. And he did a retraction
1:46:48
Speaker 1: and everything is fine because the kid was an artist.
1:46:50
Speaker 1: Look how beautiful it is. Days later, I got a
1:46:54
Speaker 1: call from this same guy. I said, tell me, my friend,
1:46:57
Speaker 1: how are you? He said, man, that guy there, that
1:46:58
Speaker 1: MC there, I don't even know what these things are, man. Oh,
1:47:01
Speaker 1: my son is a big fan of his, there's no
1:47:04
Speaker 1: way you can call him there. I said, wait a minute,
1:47:06
Speaker 1: I'm going to call. I turned it off, I said, Kev,
1:47:07
Speaker 1: I'm going to put you on video there. Remember that
1:47:10
Speaker 1: guy there? His son is your fan as hell. Do
1:47:11
Speaker 1: the good, do the good. Then I called, then the
1:47:13
Speaker 1: boy cried seeing Kev like that. The guy said everything,
1:47:16
Speaker 1: he just said it. Then the guy passed by, I said,
1:47:18
Speaker 1: are you coming there? Look who you're going to kill.
1:47:21
Speaker 1: The idol of your son, man. Look what a thing,
1:47:24
Speaker 1: I said, damn, Fusca, it's true, right, bro? I said,
1:47:26
Speaker 1: it's another universe, bro. From malandro, you demand malandrage. A
1:47:31
Speaker 1: musician is an artist, bro. You will demand from a
1:47:34
Speaker 1: guy who doesn't know the rules, who doesn't know anything, bro.
1:47:38
Speaker 1: This is something that fits me, for you who live
1:47:39
Speaker 1: in this universe, but for the population, for the other guys,
1:47:43
Speaker 1: it doesn't fit, bro.
1:47:43
Speaker 5: Look at the tragedy, I said, damn, man, it's awesome.
1:47:45
Speaker 1: You created a lot of intimacy, right? A lot. And
1:47:47
Speaker 1: we were growing in that. It was growing until... and
1:47:50
Speaker 1: many other things. Then I introduce him to literature, the
1:47:53
Speaker 1: book The 41 Laws of Power, I start walking with him,
1:47:56
Speaker 1: talking in the car, and he writes, go old man,
1:47:58
Speaker 1: stay calm. That's it, an assault on you, stay calm.
1:48:01
Speaker 1: I told him the following, Kevin, one of the most
1:48:03
Speaker 1: difficult moments in our lives is when we have to
1:48:04
Speaker 1: be patient. And I tell him the first and only
1:48:07
Speaker 1: time I was assaulted. When I was assaulted, I didn't
1:48:10
Speaker 1: have my foot on the ground, there was a tiguan,
1:48:12
Speaker 1: a boy came in here, another one came in here, pulling,
1:48:14
Speaker 1: I said, I'm going to put the boot on this piece.
1:48:16
Speaker 1: The skinny guy has the ability, the training. But when
1:48:19
Speaker 1: I looked at the beans, I said, if it doesn't work.
1:48:22
Speaker 5: But in a fraction of a second.
1:48:24
Speaker 1: The guy, when.
1:48:26
Speaker 4: He turned like that.
1:48:27
Speaker 1: You've seen the beans there. I said, wow, none of
1:48:29
Speaker 1: these is mine. I don't want it. Then I thought twice.
1:48:33
Speaker 1: Then the guy is pulling me out. Look at the
1:48:34
Speaker 1: experience of the boy. I said, Truta, I'm stuck on
1:48:35
Speaker 1: the belt here, man. Let me press the belt here.
1:48:40
Speaker 1: Then when I press the button, he starts to pull
1:48:41
Speaker 1: this alliance here. I said to him, you're a bandit,
1:48:44
Speaker 1: you're a bandit, man. You're going to snitch on me,
1:48:46
Speaker 1: take my alliance, man? And today there's a bunch of
1:48:48
Speaker 1: assholes stealing the alliance, snitching.
1:48:50
Speaker 4: And he says, this is the crime.
1:48:51
Speaker 1: This is the crime where? Stealing the cell phone is
1:48:53
Speaker 1: the crime where? Stealing the alliance.
1:48:56
Speaker 5: Is the crime where?
1:48:57
Speaker 1: I changed the idea with the kid in the chair.
1:48:59
Speaker 1: I said, Mr.
1:48:59
Speaker 4: Truta.
1:49:02
Speaker 1: I came to... I came to... I was robbed. They
1:49:04
Speaker 1: robbed my alliance, man. She won't believe it. You're going
1:49:06
Speaker 1: to take a shit at home and.
1:49:08
Speaker 5: You'll be robbed. You took it twice. Twice.
1:49:11
Speaker 1: Don't rob an alliance, man. No, but you have to... Ah,
1:49:13
Speaker 1: I already thought. Look how cool. When the guy is
1:49:15
Speaker 1: going to rob you, I'll say, Truta, don't rob me
1:49:17
Speaker 1: because you're going to have a problem at home. My
1:49:18
Speaker 1: mother is braver than you. Take the motorcycle, for the
1:49:21
Speaker 1: love of God. Take everything, but don't take the alliance.
1:49:23
Speaker 1: Because I want to get home and be calm. Because
1:49:24
Speaker 1: the woman is worse than you. You don't even know
1:49:26
Speaker 1: what to be bad. So, brother. I've always changed an
1:49:29
Speaker 1: idea with the girl talking about this, for the girl.
1:49:31
Speaker 1: I said, bro, I'm with you here. International traffic, money, car, mansion.
1:49:37
Speaker 1: All the shit. I sleep on the same stone as you,
1:49:40
Speaker 1: eat the same boia azeda, I miss you just like you.
1:49:42
Speaker 1: And I also cry just like you, bro. Crime is
1:49:47
Speaker 1: not shit, it's an illusion.
1:49:48
Speaker 5: Then you told Kev this story?
1:49:50
Speaker 1: Then I told him that I was robbed and that
1:49:52
Speaker 1: I had to be patient because Kev had had a
1:49:54
Speaker 1: confusion with one of his girlfriends. He had left the
1:49:57
Speaker 1: two of them, which was terrible. Dona Val calls me,
1:50:00
Speaker 1: I go there. When I got there, there was blood,
1:50:04
Speaker 1: because he threw a longneck in the closet, it burst
1:50:10
Speaker 1: and flew a piece of glass and it slipped. When
1:50:12
Speaker 1: the person looked in the mirror, she did it like that.
1:50:15
Speaker 1: And then when Dona Val saw it, she thought she
1:50:16
Speaker 1: had broken the face of the person. And when I
1:50:18
Speaker 1: left to go out with him and change my mind,
1:50:20
Speaker 1: I said, I'll do a shock treatment process. He's driving,
1:50:25
Speaker 1: I said, Kev, she's blind. She's blind, she's blind, she's blind.
1:50:27
Speaker 1: He said, no, no, she's not blind. I said, thank God,
1:50:29
Speaker 1: she's not blind. Imagine if this woman is blind now.
1:50:34
Speaker 1: You don't have to explain that you blinded the person.
1:50:37
Speaker 1: What will happen to you? I said, Kevin, at the
1:50:41
Speaker 1: moment of greatest difficulty in our lives, we have to
1:50:44
Speaker 1: be patient. Then I told him that I was assaulted
1:50:46
Speaker 1: and that because of this patience, I left alive, everything
1:50:49
Speaker 1: was fine. In this part that I tell him at night,
1:50:52
Speaker 1: coming back from this narrative of the robbery, he was
1:50:56
Speaker 1: calling one and with the phone writing letters. Then he
1:50:59
Speaker 1: looks at me and says, Evan, you have to be calm.
1:51:02
Speaker 1: Then he said, go old man, stay calm. This is
1:51:06
Speaker 1: an assault, you stay calm. Bolsonaro, governor of the militia,
1:51:10
Speaker 1: all these ideas that I exchanged with him. What is Bolsonaroism, Negão?
1:51:14
Speaker 1: Bolsonaroism is this. Lula is this, it's a government that
1:51:17
Speaker 1: It's more for the people. The other is a government
1:51:19
Speaker 1: that is more on the side of the military, more
1:51:22
Speaker 1: for the rich. I was putting the parameters for him
1:51:24
Speaker 1: to understand. I wasn't planting politics in his head. He
1:51:26
Speaker 1: had his own conclusions.
1:51:27
Speaker 5: His last album, for me, is temporal.
1:51:29
Speaker 1: And then, this album, precisely, that he writes, when I
1:51:32
Speaker 1: tell him, if you're going to leave the company, from GR6,
1:51:36
Speaker 1: you have to understand that you're going to be your boss.
1:51:39
Speaker 1: CLT and everything. You have no guilt to blame anyone.
1:51:42
Speaker 1: I said things to him, I said the paths. I said,
1:51:44
Speaker 1: go this way. If you go this way, the consequences
1:51:45
Speaker 1: are this way.
1:51:46
Speaker 3: I said.
1:51:47
Speaker 1: If you stay in the company, that's it. He frees
1:51:49
Speaker 1: himself from having a contract, makes the rescission, sets up
1:51:53
Speaker 1: his own company, and on the first show he dies.
1:51:56
Speaker 1: And this album was planned precisely to be released in
1:51:58
Speaker 1: your solo career. It's his biggest album, the most exploded,
1:52:03
Speaker 1: but he didn't live it. Did you see all this
1:52:06
Speaker 1: process of this album? What did he comment, bro? Because
1:52:07
Speaker 1: this album of his seemed to be a farewell, he
1:52:09
Speaker 1: knew he was leaving. No, how many times I was
1:52:11
Speaker 1: in his bed there, recording, because he set up his
1:52:14
Speaker 1: little studio there in his bed, dying of sleep. When
1:52:17
Speaker 1: I didn't, I would go out with him to a show,
1:52:19
Speaker 1: or in the car, I would be crazier than him
1:52:22
Speaker 1: because I don't use anything. I was like, oh my God.
1:52:24
Speaker 1: It would burn my throat. It would burn. Then I
1:52:27
Speaker 1: started to understand what was the essence of that kid
1:52:29
Speaker 1: and what was the essence of the kids of funk.
1:52:32
Speaker 1: They discovered an amazing economic source and that starts to
1:52:38
Speaker 1: change the lives of a lot of people around you too,
1:52:41
Speaker 1: that one became a producer, the other became a DJ.
1:52:44
Speaker 5: The other became.
1:52:46
Speaker 4: If you don't get along with art, you come to
1:52:49
Speaker 4: the van, producer.
1:52:50
Speaker 1: It's a huge industry. Because of an MC of this size,
1:52:53
Speaker 1: which was Kevin, and so many others that came, how
1:52:55
Speaker 1: many guys work indirectly?
1:52:57
Speaker 5: Funk is a great socializer. How many friends do I
1:53:01
Speaker 5: know that.
1:53:03
Speaker 4: They left the wrong life and today they work with Funk.
1:53:06
Speaker 1: You know something that was cool in my career in music?
1:53:10
Speaker 1: When we made a joint with Portuga Records, there was
1:53:14
Speaker 1: Zero Onze. Do you remember the podcast Zero Onze? I do.
1:53:18
Speaker 1: And you imagine me there and the guys having to
1:53:23
Speaker 1: interview Sérgio Moro and I having to be in the
1:53:25
Speaker 1: company as a representative of the Music cast and Portuga Records.
1:53:30
Speaker 1: And then the Portuguese said, you have to be here.
1:53:33
Speaker 1: I said, but I'm going to have to take a
1:53:37
Speaker 1: picture with Moro. Look at the thought I have, totally opposite.
1:53:39
Speaker 1: I still had a little noise in my head. I
1:53:41
Speaker 1: was evolving. And then when Moro comes, we start to
1:53:44
Speaker 1: go down the stairs like this. I start to say, doctor,
1:53:48
Speaker 1: are you seeing this here? Kevin, 3 billion views. I
1:53:52
Speaker 1: don't know how many millions of views, this, that and
1:53:55
Speaker 1: the other. I said, this is all products that people
1:53:58
Speaker 1: don't believe. This here generates millions. International companies are now
1:54:04
Speaker 1: looking at our funk product, at the favela kids. Where
1:54:08
Speaker 1: justice looks with discrimination. And looks like they're bandits. Look
1:54:14
Speaker 1: how many numbers... These visualizations, how much they give in monetization.
1:54:18
Speaker 1: This generates a very large economic industry and saves a
1:54:20
Speaker 1: lot of lives. He looked kind of like this, but
1:54:24
Speaker 1: I had to send a message to him. Then I
1:54:26
Speaker 1: took a photo with him doing this. A photo there.
1:54:29
Speaker 1: because a person of his authority, of his size at
1:54:33
Speaker 1: the time, as a judge, if he lent himself to
1:54:36
Speaker 1: what he did to claim a political position, he could
1:54:38
Speaker 1: have gone the other way, not using the means he used,
1:54:42
Speaker 1: which lost all credibility for me as an authority. I
1:54:45
Speaker 1: have great admiration for the authorities of the right, but
1:54:49
Speaker 1: this for me, in reason of this, of this oratory of...
1:54:54
Speaker 1: of all this trajectory and tried to politics for me
1:54:56
Speaker 1: lost all the prestige he had as an authority.
1:54:58
Speaker 4: And Angela there about Kevin still and you followed a
1:55:03
Speaker 4: process that just before he died he was in I
1:55:08
Speaker 4: think in a better phase of his life taking care
1:55:11
Speaker 4: of his body remember us commenting.
1:55:12
Speaker 3: On this time I saw him man he's so handsome
1:55:15
Speaker 3: he's strong bro.
1:55:16
Speaker 1: This process that I told him to do I asked
1:55:18
Speaker 1: him how he was doing. He said he was training
1:55:20
Speaker 1: in the gym because he didn't want to look good.
1:55:22
Speaker 1: He had to go out in the yard, look at
1:55:24
Speaker 1: you and say, man, I'm not going to move. You
1:55:27
Speaker 1: can't face that. The guy was a police officer, he
1:55:29
Speaker 1: was trained. The guy is strong, which is intimidation. I said,
1:55:31
Speaker 1: and you as an artist, if you train, mind, body, read,
1:55:34
Speaker 1: you will look better, you will sell more, the woman
1:55:38
Speaker 1: will consume more of your product. And it will be
1:55:41
Speaker 1: healthy for you.
1:55:41
Speaker 5: And then it started.
1:55:42
Speaker 1: All this.
1:55:42
Speaker 5: The same process that I applied to him.
1:55:44
Speaker 4: I was the same company that operated the Cayblack.
1:55:47
Speaker 1: The Cayblack also did the same process. He was very fat.
1:55:56
Speaker 1: I have videos with him training when we lived in
1:55:58
Speaker 1: the same condominium.
1:55:59
Speaker 5: Mano, Kai Black now is... He's the Jackie Chan of
1:56:03
Speaker 5: all fights.
1:56:03
Speaker 1: Another physical form. But he was fat, obese and had
1:56:06
Speaker 1: a skull on his shoulder.
1:56:08
Speaker 4: No, I look at Kai Black's story and I say,
1:56:09
Speaker 4: he's wearing a boxing glove. Then the next one is
1:56:11
Speaker 4: in a kimono.
1:56:12
Speaker 1: I say, okay.
1:56:13
Speaker 4: Then he's in a Krav Maga. He's doing all the
1:56:15
Speaker 4: martial arts.
1:56:15
Speaker 1: It was a whole process that started that conversation. We
1:56:18
Speaker 1: don't work together anymore. We don't even talk anymore. Life
1:56:21
Speaker 1: goes on. But this transformation process... To show the importance
1:56:26
Speaker 1: of a healthy mind and body. I started with Kevin
1:56:30
Speaker 1: and went through Kai Black. I tried to do it
1:56:33
Speaker 1: with FK, but I don't like to train him. But
1:56:35
Speaker 1: he's training now.
1:56:36
Speaker 4: He's doing a little fight.
1:56:37
Speaker 5: I hope he goes. I hope for the success of
1:56:38
Speaker 5: all of them.
1:56:39
Speaker 1: Most of these guys are starting to move. And start
1:56:41
Speaker 1: to understand that this is important, that this is healthy.
1:56:44
Speaker 1: Production accelerated me. Thank you. I brought you here, my brothers,
1:56:47
Speaker 1: a gift. Thank you very much.
1:56:53
Speaker 4: Extra camp, Nautica do Cárcere, Angelo Canuta.
1:56:56
Speaker 1: There are 32 reflections that refer to this reality of
1:56:59
Speaker 1: young people.
1:57:01
Speaker 4: Thank you very much.
1:57:02
Speaker 1: The cover dedication at the bottom is from Dexter. You
1:57:05
Speaker 1: can read it, Dexter. At the bottom, on the cover,
1:57:08
Speaker 1: this one at the bottom here.
1:57:10
Speaker 5: Here?
1:57:10
Speaker 1: On the last cover, turn it, there. No, no, you
1:57:13
Speaker 1: can turn it like that.
1:57:14
Speaker 4: Angelo Marcos Canuta is a fighter, leader, kindness, anger and resistance.
1:57:18
Speaker 5: Your steps should be followed.
1:57:20
Speaker 1: Wow!
1:57:49
Speaker 4: Because we exchanged books. Difficult for someone in prison to
1:57:52
Speaker 4: offer you life. Thank you for the affection you always give,
1:57:55
Speaker 4: my brother. For me to talk about Angelo Marcos Canuta
1:57:57
Speaker 4: is very easy. As long as I talk about fraternal love.
1:58:01
Speaker 4: No more. Marcos Fernandes de Omena. The one from Dexter.
1:58:07
Speaker 1: History lived together, man.
1:58:08
Speaker 5: Did you get emotional, nigga?
1:58:00
Speaker 4: .
1:58:07
Speaker 1: I
1:58:25
Speaker 1: would have stayed on the street 27 years ago. That's
1:58:27
Speaker 1: the statistic. A phrase that.
1:58:29
Speaker 3: Caught my attention was, it's hard for someone in prison
1:58:32
Speaker 3: to offer you life. That must have been very remarkable
1:58:35
Speaker 3: for him. You must have been one of the only
1:58:36
Speaker 3: people who offered him life.
1:58:38
Speaker 1: I had no idea that I was doing good, which
1:58:41
Speaker 1: is what I do today. I always conceptualize an idea,
1:58:46
Speaker 1: a speech through a literature I had, especially mine. So
1:58:50
Speaker 1: I understand that offering books is life, because my book
1:58:52
Speaker 1: rescued me, brought me life. Respect. It gave me character again.
1:58:58
Speaker 1: It polished my reputation.
1:59:02
Speaker 4: It gave you back your dignity.
1:59:03
Speaker 1: It gave me back my dignity. The book. And I
1:59:05
Speaker 1: have a second book that I publish next year. It's
1:59:07
Speaker 1: called Das Antigas, Minha Caminhada Pela Guerra. Which is another thing.
1:59:12
Speaker 5: I have.
1:59:12
Speaker 1: It's a great honor to bring it here for you.
1:59:14
Speaker 1: And I have two more books ready in my mind. Done,
1:59:18
Speaker 1: two books ready in my head.
1:59:20
Speaker 5: Amen, my brother, that you don't stop writing. This is
1:59:22
Speaker 5: my gift.
1:59:23
Speaker 1: And one thing that I'm going to.
1:59:24
Speaker 4: Make a question of talking, just like I made a
1:59:25
Speaker 4: question of talking to Dona Val too, continuing talking about Kevin,
1:59:29
Speaker 4: as we talked a lot about ideas, ideas, ideas, Kevin
1:59:32
Speaker 4: was a guy who left ideas.
1:59:34
Speaker 1: Ideas.
1:59:35
Speaker 4: He left some ideas and a lot of people won't understand,
1:59:38
Speaker 4: but who is your relative who understood and today sows
1:59:41
Speaker 4: these fruits? Everyone that Kevin brought close, burst and it
1:59:45
Speaker 4: was not little. Everyone he looked at and believed in
1:59:48
Speaker 4: was very far away. Everything he ended up saying and
1:59:52
Speaker 4: showing that it was possible to do, encouraged countless others
1:59:55
Speaker 4: to do after him. He was very....
2:00:00
Speaker 5: By emotion, right? Did he really do it?
2:00:02
Speaker 4: But he was proving by A plus B that he
2:00:05
Speaker 4: could still do it. He had a charisma out of
2:00:08
Speaker 4: the ordinary. I don't understand... Even today I stop to think...
2:00:13
Speaker 4: what happened and it's very crazy, I just get very
2:00:17
Speaker 4: sad and I don't know, I think we are privileged
2:00:19
Speaker 4: that three months before he passes here and leaves a
2:00:23
Speaker 4: very beautiful record and very inspiring for many young people
2:00:26
Speaker 4: because turn and move I enter that podcast just to
2:00:28
Speaker 4: read some comments and then the guys saying my God
2:00:30
Speaker 4: I come here just to kill the longing for this
2:00:33
Speaker 4: boy who inspires me and he he was only I
2:00:35
Speaker 4: think 23 years old a child a.
2:00:37
Speaker 1: Child 52 years old I say 23 years old and
2:00:39
Speaker 1: a child and lived a lot Kevin saw I used
2:00:44
Speaker 1: to say to Kevin all the time Reduce the speed,
2:00:47
Speaker 1: man You made the turn and turned over again, which
2:00:50
Speaker 1: was the problem he had Turned over again There was
2:00:53
Speaker 1: even an episode of Rosinho, a friend of ours who
2:00:56
Speaker 1: passed away A turning over in a car, running away
2:00:59
Speaker 1: from the police And the problem was not even his,
2:01:01
Speaker 1: it was the guy who was with him The car
2:01:02
Speaker 1: was like, play, play, play, play, ended up turning over
2:01:05
Speaker 1: the car and died He went to my house early, crying,
2:01:07
Speaker 1: what happened? Rosinho, Rosinho, I didn't remember it was Rosinho
2:01:09
Speaker 1: Then there was Rosinha, the guy died, the guy, for
2:01:12
Speaker 1: God's sake. He was his partner. Then he made a
2:01:15
Speaker 1: song there in my house, in the café. Peto, Peto,
2:01:19
Speaker 1: he wrote it there with me.
2:01:20
Speaker 5: This song?
2:01:20
Speaker 1: He wrote it in my house, in the morning, together
2:01:22
Speaker 1: with him, telling there. He said, I'm going to leave the...
2:01:24
Speaker 1: To remember.
2:01:26
Speaker 5: I'm.
2:01:26
Speaker 1: Going to leave the digital of this song, all of
2:01:28
Speaker 1: this song here for his family, for his children, which
2:01:30
Speaker 1: was his contribution, his concern. Then I said to him,
2:01:33
Speaker 1: do you remember when I told you about the speed
2:01:34
Speaker 1: of life, Kevin? I said, stop thinking. Let's talk about women, right?
2:01:39
Speaker 1: How many women have you had in your life? The
2:01:42
Speaker 1: most sensational women you've ever had access to. At night, car, house.
2:01:50
Speaker 1: Now remember the guy there, from your same time, worker.
2:01:54
Speaker 1: I remembered. This guy has the ability to live all
2:01:57
Speaker 1: that you live. If he buys a car, if he
2:02:00
Speaker 1: buys a Celta, he will pay at the end of
2:02:01
Speaker 1: his life. When he just paid, the car is over.
2:02:06
Speaker 1: He has access to another woman in the broken house.
2:02:08
Speaker 1: He's always dressed like an old man. Worker, suffered a lot.
2:02:11
Speaker 1: How long have you lived after this guy? That's the
2:02:17
Speaker 1: speed of life, brother. Reduce that speed. Because at some
2:02:22
Speaker 1: point you can't go back.
2:02:24
Speaker 5: Damn, you said that to him.
2:02:26
Speaker 1: There was an episode where he had a relationship. In
2:02:29
Speaker 1: the confusion he had, I was with the two of
2:02:31
Speaker 1: them and I said... Who am I going to bury first?
2:02:36
Speaker 1: Or both. And that came true. We destroyed Kevin. It
2:02:43
Speaker 1: seems that I was already predicting everything that was happening
2:02:46
Speaker 1: in his life. And this, my work of mentoring, brother,
2:02:51
Speaker 1: it's not science of the book, it's science of the experience, brother.
2:02:53
Speaker 1: It's all I would like to tell my son, if
2:02:55
Speaker 1: I had a son, a man. It's all I tell
2:02:57
Speaker 1: my daughter, who is there, I'm 30 years old. I
2:02:59
Speaker 1: also have my injuries with my daughter. But I live guiding,
2:03:04
Speaker 1: I don't give up. I cut some of the regalia early,
2:03:07
Speaker 1: the fact is that I'm working and taking care of
2:03:10
Speaker 1: the love I have for her. So what I nourish
2:03:12
Speaker 1: for Kev and what I nourish for the young people
2:03:16
Speaker 1: I work with is love, it's a feeling. I do
2:03:18
Speaker 1: for the player, for the artist, for the guy I'm mentoring,
2:03:21
Speaker 1: what I would like him to do with my son.
2:03:24
Speaker 1: Give the best advice possible. I did a mentoring for
2:03:28
Speaker 1: a millionaire's son, who told me that his son, his
2:03:32
Speaker 1: life had no importance. When I sit with this young man,
2:03:35
Speaker 1: I say, man, this is your life. My life doesn't
2:03:38
Speaker 1: make sense. I have everything, I never liked anything. I
2:03:39
Speaker 1: was totally depressed. I said, what a mission to change
2:03:44
Speaker 1: the head of this guy. Then, in one of the exchanges,
2:03:47
Speaker 1: I said to him, come here, what are you going
2:03:49
Speaker 1: to do with all this money? Four, five generations ahead,
2:03:52
Speaker 1: this money will exist. I said, do you want to
2:03:56
Speaker 1: give importance to your life? Start changing the life of
2:03:59
Speaker 1: the other. I don't want you to go down this basic.
2:04:05
Speaker 1: I want you to promote change in the person's life.
2:04:09
Speaker 1: In an institution, put someone to study, a course, change
2:04:12
Speaker 1: the life of that person, visit that person. He created
2:04:15
Speaker 1: a nucleus of follow-up, of transformation, of a certain number
2:04:21
Speaker 1: of young people, and that he goes there, he is
2:04:24
Speaker 1: seen and loved by who he is, not by the
2:04:27
Speaker 1: money he has. People will say, you are changing my life.
2:04:30
Speaker 1: I love you, you are important to me. It's not money.
2:04:34
Speaker 5: Things he never heard. And you know what he does today?
2:04:36
Speaker 1: He goes back to his father and says, how are you?
2:04:39
Speaker 1: I love you, dad. You're going to travel with your father.
2:04:42
Speaker 1: Through helping lives, he re-signified his life and his relationship
2:04:47
Speaker 1: with his father. Very cool. Thank you for that.
2:04:50
Speaker 4: I just wanted to make it clear that Kevin's art,
2:04:53
Speaker 4: how much he was an inspiring kid, good as hell
2:04:55
Speaker 4: at what he was willing to do. And Here at
2:05:04
Speaker 4: PodPay I always want to keep his memory alive, but
2:05:07
Speaker 4: in a good way. Not for clicks or any sensationalism
2:05:13
Speaker 4: on his death, unfortunately. I want to talk about his art.
2:05:18
Speaker 4: I'm sure the year will end, that retrospective of Spotify
2:05:22
Speaker 4: will come out and he will again be my most
2:05:23
Speaker 4: heard artist. He was awesome, really. We came in the van,
2:05:25
Speaker 4: now my daughter worked a lot, helped a lot, had.
2:05:27
Speaker 1: Several tours with Kevin. She said, dad, there's no way
2:05:33
Speaker 1: to get into a van and not play a Kevin song.
2:05:37
Speaker 3: Me and Igão, there's no way we can do anything
2:05:39
Speaker 3: and not play a Kevin song.
2:05:41
Speaker 1: In a pandemic, a therapy.
2:05:43
Speaker 4: He's part of our story and mine too. I was
2:05:45
Speaker 4: a kid, starting on YouTube, 18 years old, he was
2:05:46
Speaker 4: younger than me.
2:05:48
Speaker 5: And I was shy in the place.
2:05:49
Speaker 4: Hey, you're Igão, man.
2:05:50
Speaker 5: You know, he put things on me, he put me
2:05:51
Speaker 5: next to people. And he wasn't even there, man.
2:06:03
Speaker 3: I remember that when he moved to the Eco Park,
2:06:07
Speaker 3: I was from Aruan too.
2:06:08
Speaker 1: And then.
2:06:10
Speaker 3: I didn't have much intimacy with him yet, but the neighbors,
2:06:15
Speaker 3: everyone said, Man, Kevin was there, Kevin was there. And
2:06:19
Speaker 3: then my neighbor came and said, Man, Kevin is an
2:06:21
Speaker 3: MC there. He entered your garage, screamed, jumped, ran away
2:06:26
Speaker 3: with his dogs to bite him, and then I sent a.
2:06:28
Speaker 1: Message, Kevin, man, did you see?
2:06:30
Speaker 3: No, I was on the court, they said you lived
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Speaker 3: on the street of the court, I went there to
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Speaker 3: visit you, to call you to play ball with us.
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Speaker 3: I didn't even have that contact yet, at the time
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Speaker 3: I said, wow, I love this guy. Next time you
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Speaker 3: can come here, I'll play ball with you.
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Speaker 4: Once, at 7 am, he came back from the show,
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Speaker 4: he saw me online on Instagram, he said, I did
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Speaker 4: a show here in Osasco, I'll pass by your house,
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Speaker 4: you'll sleep.
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Speaker 5: There at home.
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Speaker 1: I said, no, I'm at home.
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Speaker 5: No, you go there, Val will make a feijoada, tomorrow
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Speaker 5: it's all ours, you don't even sleep.
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Speaker 4: I said, no, man. This is very crazy.
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Speaker 3: Since always I have received respect from him, and this
2:07:01
Speaker 3: has been for a long time too, but he came
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Speaker 3: to me and said, look, I don't know who you are,
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Speaker 3: but I know you're from YouTube.
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Speaker 1: He said, man, you already won with.
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Speaker 3: Me, because my sister likes you a lot, so that's it.
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Speaker 3: And then he hugged me, he was crazy, at the
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Speaker 3: end of the party, me and him, crazy.
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Speaker 1: And then I, man, that's cool, man, so that's it.
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Speaker 1: My sister likes you, it must be because you're cool,
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Speaker 1: and that's it. Then after that, then.
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Speaker 3: Kevin was Marlon Way's brother's partner, bro.
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Speaker 5: The guy didn't even speak English. The guy that Brazil
2:07:34
Speaker 5: pays a lot.
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Speaker 1: I can't imagine these guys exchanging ideas.
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Speaker 4: He came to Brazil and.
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Speaker 1: He fell in love with Kevin, bro.
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Speaker 5: Just by the way he is.
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Speaker 1: This guy... The essence of him is very cool. He
2:07:44
Speaker 1: was unique. The guy was unique, right, bro?
2:07:46
Speaker 4: Angelo, for real, the chat we had here was very cool.
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Speaker 4: I really want you to come back.
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Speaker 1: It was a great honor for me. When is the
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Speaker 1: next book you're going to release? Next year, in the
2:07:56
Speaker 1: middle of... I'm thinking about releasing the music video. going
2:08:00
Speaker 1: to see the dates right. I'm equalizing it well. Let's
2:08:04
Speaker 1: talk about this book. Let's talk about it, yes, for sure.
2:08:06
Speaker 5: You're the man of literature, right?
2:08:07
Speaker 4: Talking about releasing books, this is foda pra caralho, very foda, brother. Really,
2:08:11
Speaker 4: I wanted to know if you liked to exchange this
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Speaker 4: idea with us today, brother.
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Speaker 1: Awesome. When is the next time?
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Speaker 5: When you want to come, Dexter. I think you and Dexter...
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Speaker 5: I have.
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Speaker 1: An idea with Dexter, with these guys, to bring this
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Speaker 1: information to the young people, in this experience of... It's
2:08:23
Speaker 1: not the prison experience, bro. It's the life experience. I
2:08:26
Speaker 1: think we need to, more and more, my brother, show
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Speaker 1: that we need.
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Speaker 5: To believe in the human being. It's the transformation, bro.
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Speaker 5: I really believe in that. Human beings are.
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Speaker 4: They are.
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Speaker 5: People who have to live in society.
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Speaker 4: You can't live in isolation.
2:08:49
Speaker 1: You know? And.
2:08:51
Speaker 4: It's okay. You get arrested, you get paid for your crime,
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Speaker 4: you answer, it's all right. But I think you have
2:08:58
Speaker 4: to give the person a chance to re-signify.
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Speaker 1: And.
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Speaker 4: When Dexter came here, I saw it.
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Speaker 5: In my face. In his ideas. I trust him.
2:09:08
Speaker 4: Like a brother. I'm getting to know you a little
2:09:11
Speaker 4: better today and we're going to get to know each
2:09:13
Speaker 4: other and get more intimacy, for sure. So, listening to
2:09:16
Speaker 4: your story is something very beautiful because we need to
2:09:19
Speaker 4: continue believing in people and their resocialization. Because if not,
2:09:23
Speaker 4: what's going to.
2:09:25
Speaker 5: Turn into this, you know?
2:09:26
Speaker 4: So, I'm very happy to open the microphone for you
2:09:29
Speaker 4: to talk. One of your witnesses, almost. And you'll be
2:09:33
Speaker 4: back here as soon as you want. With Dexter or
2:09:36
Speaker 4: without Dexter. Do it here, it'll be awesome. Call me
2:09:39
Speaker 4: to play a ball too. Let's go.
2:09:41
Speaker 5: Let's go.
2:09:41
Speaker 1: Speaking of balls, on December 20th, I do a charity
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Speaker 1: football there in Santo André, at the Bruno José Daniel Stadium.
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Speaker 1: In benefit of an institution that I went to meet. Coincidence,
2:09:53
Speaker 1: the planet is aligning. It's from Santo André too. Inca,
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Speaker 1: Instituto Nacional de Crianças Carentes Autistas.
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Speaker 5: Holy shit, what a beautiful cause, man.
2:10:01
Speaker 1: You have an autistic child inside a home that has
2:10:03
Speaker 1: all the structure, it's a tremendous difficulty to prepare the
2:10:06
Speaker 1: future of that child. Can you imagine being a child
2:10:09
Speaker 1: in need?
2:10:10
Speaker 5: From the periphery.
2:10:11
Speaker 1: From the periphery and some who were in extreme misery.
2:10:13
Speaker 1: I'll just tell you a quick.
2:10:15
Speaker 5: Episode of a news. No, no, no.
2:10:16
Speaker 1: When I went there and met one of the organizers,
2:10:20
Speaker 1: one of the organizers told me a story of a
2:10:22
Speaker 1: 14-year-old boy, more or less, black, like this, from the favela,
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Speaker 1: who has autism. He was on the street, in the favela.
2:10:30
Speaker 1: When he saw the car, he ran. It's autism, that's it.
2:10:33
Speaker 1: He has some spontaneous reactions. The police caught him. They
2:10:37
Speaker 1: were beating the boy, and the boy didn't verbalize well,
2:10:40
Speaker 1: thinking the boy was drugged. Even the mother explained that
2:10:43
Speaker 1: he was.
2:10:45
Speaker 4: Autistic.
2:10:45
Speaker 5: Wow.
2:10:45
Speaker 1: How many young people should we have lost because people don't.
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Speaker 5: Even understand that he's autistic?
2:10:51
Speaker 1: Many.
2:10:52
Speaker 4: Many.
2:10:52
Speaker 1: How many families have autists at home and don't know
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Speaker 1: that he's autistic?
2:10:56
Speaker 5: How many have we mistreated?
2:10:59
Speaker 1: Without knowing. I was at a football match in São Paulo.
2:11:03
Speaker 1: My father was registered there and a boy stayed there
2:11:05
Speaker 1: to be registered. I was waiting for him to be registered.
2:11:08
Speaker 1: The guy, in a brutal way, right? The boy didn't talk.
2:11:11
Speaker 1: I saw his necklace. When I saw it at the time,
2:11:13
Speaker 1: I said, he's autistic. The guy didn't know. The guy
2:11:16
Speaker 1: who was making the port, because the policeman is back
2:11:17
Speaker 1: there now, right? The guy there, the third party doing it,
2:11:20
Speaker 1: he didn't know. I said, he's autistic. He doesn't understand
2:11:22
Speaker 1: what you're talking about. You have to wait for his
2:11:23
Speaker 1: father to come here to talk to him. He said, okay,
2:11:25
Speaker 1: I got it, I got it, I got it. the
2:11:28
Speaker 1: security that makes the Porsche ignorant, he doesn't know what
2:11:31
Speaker 1: autism is.
2:11:31
Speaker 4: He didn't know how to.
2:11:33
Speaker 1: Identify the cord that the boy uses as an autistic.
2:11:38
Speaker 1: And then I defend this cause today too. And we're
2:11:42
Speaker 1: going to do a beneficial game on the 20th, for
2:11:45
Speaker 1: the sake of this institution. Friends of Angelo Canuto, with
2:11:49
Speaker 1: friends of Daniel Ribeiro, who is an expert in car sales.
2:11:52
Speaker 1: I'm having talks with him now. A sensational guy gave
2:11:54
Speaker 1: me a lot of space. We're talking together. I take
2:11:57
Speaker 1: my story to your
2:12:10
Speaker 1: .
2:12:11
Speaker 5: We're connected.
2:12:25
Speaker 1: Every step we take to bring positive messages to young people,
2:12:28
Speaker 1: especially us, because today I can say that I'm a
2:12:30
Speaker 1: guy from the internet, and I'm very concerned about bringing
2:12:33
Speaker 1: positive information, because it's a lot of rain of disinformation.
2:12:37
Speaker 5: And strategic disinformation. Strategic.
2:12:39
Speaker 1: Which is the process of alienation. The more alienated, the
2:12:44
Speaker 1: more I show my power. That's it. A totally wrong thought.
2:12:50
Speaker 4: Angelo, my congratulations, literally, because today is your birthday.
2:12:53
Speaker 1: Literally.
2:12:53
Speaker 3: Really.
2:12:54
Speaker 1: Libera o homem pra ele viver um pouquinho esse aniversário.
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Speaker 5: Exatamente, que aí deve.
2:12:56
Speaker 4: Estar querendo curtir um pouco. Deixe seu like, se inscreva
2:12:59
Speaker 4: no canal, siga o Angelo Canuto e todas as redes
2:13:01
Speaker 4: sociais vão estar aí na descrição. E manda uma mensagem
2:13:04
Speaker 4: de parabéns aí, você que assistiu, curtiu o papo.
2:13:07
Speaker 5: E é nóis, gente.
2:13:08
Speaker 4: Espero que você tenha gostado. Boa semana para todos os
2:13:10
Speaker 4: Míticos Jovens.
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Speaker 1: Bom final de semana.
2:13:12
Speaker 4: Ficamos por aqui, certo?
2:13:13
Speaker 1: Ficamos por aqui. That way, okay?
2:13:15
Speaker 3: Check out the whole PodPah agenda. There's been a break
2:13:18
Speaker 3: in the UFC.
2:13:19
Speaker 4: Today, after the game between Palmeiras and LDU.
2:13:22
Speaker 1: Is Palmeiras going to win?
2:13:23
Speaker 5: He's going to win, he's going to win, he's going
2:13:25
Speaker 5: to win.
2:13:26
Speaker 1: I want Palmeiras to win today to see Ju Canalha
2:13:28
Speaker 1: without a beard.
2:13:29
Speaker 5: I want to see the guys bald, the guys are
2:13:32
Speaker 5: going to hurt today.
2:13:32
Speaker 4: If Palmeiras qualifies, Ju Canalha said he'd take his beard off,
2:13:35
Speaker 4: Corpo de Pai said he'd take his beard off and.
2:13:39
Speaker 5: And the hair.
2:13:40
Speaker 1: And Marcelinho Carioca goes to Itacoa.
2:13:42
Speaker 4: And Marcelinho Carioca. And Sousa said he's going to do
2:13:46
Speaker 4: the green borricano.
2:13:47
Speaker 5: Give us the ideas of Itacoa, Marcelinho. Marcelinho will have
2:13:49
Speaker 5: to deliver the entrance there in the afternoon.
2:13:50
Speaker 4: That's it.
2:13:51
Speaker 5: Leave your like, subscribe to the channel. Let's go, LDU.
2:13:55
Speaker 5: For the love of God.
2:13:56
Speaker 1: Man, if Palmeiras wins, I don't believe it. Dignity already.
2:14:12
Speaker 4: Thank you.
2:14:48
Speaker 2: Get there, my consecrated.
2:15:04
Speaker 3: Every day can be a super day.
2:15:07
Speaker 5: Download the app Superbad.
2:15:10
Speaker 4: Be super.