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The Late Debate | 8 September · The Late Debate

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  Speaker 1: Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to The Light Debate.
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  Speaker 2: Welcome to the show. I'm Danica DiGiorgio, joined by Kayla
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  Speaker 2: Bond and former New South Wales Police Minister David Elliott. David,
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  Speaker 2: welcome to the show. Thank you.
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  Speaker 3: Thank you for having me.
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  Speaker 2: Well, it's good to have you back. We've seen you once,
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  Speaker 2: I think, on the show.
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  Speaker 4: Just once, yes.
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  Speaker 3: I'm not a debutante anymore.
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  Speaker 1: Well, there you go.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, we didn't scare you off, at least. Thank goodness. Well,
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  Speaker 2: you've worked in politics. I don't think anything would scare.
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  Speaker 1: You at this point, would it? Oh, look, we can
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  Speaker 1: give it a red hot go, though.
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  Speaker 2: We'll try our very best to fire up David tonight.
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  Speaker 1: It's not called a late debate for nothing, right?
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  Speaker 2: No, that's exactly right. We're going to do our very
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  Speaker 2: best to get you fired up tonight, David. Alright, coming up,
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  Speaker 2: One Nation's Victorian frontman Warren Pickering holds an extraordinary press
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  Speaker 2: conference detailing his past drug use and even his sexual history.
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  Speaker 2: What should our pollies be forgiven for? Now, I know
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  Speaker 2: that David is very keen to get into this one.
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  Speaker 2: A Tasmanian council spent over $ 50, 000 of taxpayers' money on
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  Speaker 2: random blue wave markings in the name of road safety. Well,
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  Speaker 2: I'm still confused as to what they are actually there for.
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  Speaker 2: And Harry and Meghan claim they were caught off guard
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  Speaker 2: after the King issued a public letter reminding them that
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  Speaker 2: they are private citizens. But first tonight, Australia's oldest woman
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  Speaker 2: has died at the age of 112. Lorna Henstridge passed
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  Speaker 2: away in South Australia, marking the end of a life
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  Speaker 2: that has lasted through both world wars, the Spanish flu
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  Speaker 2: and COVID pandemics, multiple monarchs and more than 20 Australian
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  Speaker 2: prime ministers. Born in Adelaide in 1914, the super centenarians, apologies,
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  Speaker 2: was a great-grandmother to nine children, grandmother to seven and
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  Speaker 2: mother to three. Miss Henstridge spoke about the secret to
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  Speaker 2: longevity only two years ago.
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  Speaker 5: I think the main thing is to keep moving all
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  Speaker 5: the time and even physically and in your thoughts, you know,
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  Speaker 5: you can't let Old-fashioned ideas take over your life. You
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  Speaker 5: must do this or you must do that. You've got
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  Speaker 5: to live today by today's standard and keep going with
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  Speaker 5: it and be happy with it.
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  Speaker 2: What a good sentiment that is. I just think that's
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  Speaker 2: absolutely fantastic. Now, the question, Caleb, tonight, would you want
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  Speaker 2: to live that long?
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  Speaker 1: I don't think so.
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  Speaker 6: And it's one of the great philosophical questions that I
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  Speaker 6: often think about and I've written about a number of
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  Speaker 6: times because there's a lot of people who I think
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  Speaker 6: really are.
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  Speaker 1: Afraid of death. I suppose we're all afraid of.
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  Speaker 6: Death to some degree because, I mean, none of us,
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  Speaker 6: I think, really want to go tomorrow. We've still got
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  Speaker 6: things we want to do and people in our lives
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  Speaker 6: who we love and family and whatever that we owe
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  Speaker 6: something to, et cetera. So no-one really wants to die.
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  Speaker 6: But there are also people who take it to an extreme.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, and there's that... What's that chap, Brian Johnson?
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  Speaker 6: Who is quite famous, you look him up on social media,
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  Speaker 6: you know, he's coming up with this regimen so he
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  Speaker 6: can basically live forever.
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  Speaker 1: And he wants to be this superhuman.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, the biohacker.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, biohacker fella, right?
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  Speaker 6: And he's on 100 pills a day and he monitors
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  Speaker 6: absolutely everything about himself. He's made it his goal in
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  Speaker 6: life basically to live forever. And to be quite frank,
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  Speaker 6: I don't want to live like that. Because to me, look,
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  Speaker 6: if I make it to 112 and all of me
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  Speaker 6: is in good condition.
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  Speaker 1: Well, that's great.
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  Speaker 6: But the reality is that for most people, if they
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  Speaker 6: make it to 112, they're not going to be in
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  Speaker 6: good condition. I mean, you're lucky to make it to
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  Speaker 6: 85 and be in good condition, right? And so my
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  Speaker 6: attitude is life is for living. And I'm not going
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  Speaker 6: to live like a saint in order to maybe add
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  Speaker 6: a few extra years to my life. You know, it's
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  Speaker 6: no secret I like a drink. I like a little
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  Speaker 6: too much blue cheese when I go home after the
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  Speaker 6: show at night. and I wash it down with red wine.
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  Speaker 1: And you know what?
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  Speaker 6: That might take a little bit of longevity off of me,
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  Speaker 6: but I don't particularly care because I enjoy it while
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  Speaker 6: I'm here and that's the life I want to live.
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  Speaker 6: I'm not really concerned with making it as far as
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  Speaker 6: I can possibly go because imagine taking everything out of
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  Speaker 6: your life and being fastidious about it and then getting
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  Speaker 6: to the very end and you're decrepit or demented or
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  Speaker 6: whatever it is anyway.
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  Speaker 7: Well, I mean, as a lover of history, she was
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  Speaker 7: born within months of Archduke Franz Ferdinand being assassinated and
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  Speaker 7: in the Balkans starting the First World War. So by
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  Speaker 7: my calculations, she talked about living for the day, you know,
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  Speaker 7: carpe diem. She had about 40,880 days to live for.
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  Speaker 7: And I think it's a remarkable story of longevity. But
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  Speaker 7: I'm like, Caleb, you know, the damage is done as
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  Speaker 7: far as I'm concerned. I don't think Mrs Elliot's had
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  Speaker 7: to worry about burying me at 120.
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  Speaker 2: But how do you feel? Would you want to live
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  Speaker 2: to that age?
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  Speaker 7: No, I don't think I would because all your friends
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  Speaker 7: would be dead. And, you know, it is quality, not quantity.
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  Speaker 7: And I think that there would have been just way
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  Speaker 7: too much change. I loved her attitude that, you know,
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  Speaker 7: you've got to live for the day and move with
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  Speaker 7: the times. But You know, there's going to be a
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  Speaker 7: time in my life, if I haven't already reached it
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  Speaker 7: at 56, I'm only half her age, that... I'll probably
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  Speaker 7: think that I've had enough change and that'll do me.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, well, see, I disagree with both of you. And
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  Speaker 2: maybe I feel like it's also in your own personality.
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  Speaker 3: Look at you, look.
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  Speaker 2: At us. That is not true. That's not true. I
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  Speaker 2: feel like it's the form between the roses tonight. But
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  Speaker 2: I would say, and again, I feel like I'm a
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  Speaker 2: very happy-go-lucky kind of a person. I have a very
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  Speaker 2: positive attitude. though Caleb doesn't think that at all. But
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  Speaker 2: I would say... Depends on the night. Depends on the night.
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  Speaker 2: I would say that I would want to live until
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  Speaker 2: that age because I would want to be around to
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  Speaker 2: see my children's children's children thrive. I would want to
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  Speaker 2: meet every single person within my family and And I
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  Speaker 2: feel like it is such a rare honour to be
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  Speaker 2: able to live to that age. Now, obviously, if you
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  Speaker 2: are a vegetable or you are unwell, then you have
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  Speaker 2: no quality of life. But if you have that quality
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  Speaker 2: of life, I would want to see it through. And
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  Speaker 2: I feel it is such a... a rare status to have.
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  Speaker 1: So what are you willing to do to make that happen?
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  Speaker 1: Because you gave up drinking a couple of years ago, right?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, but I didn't do that to improve longevity.
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  Speaker 1: No, but I'm sure it's probably helped your health in
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  Speaker 1: some way.
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  Speaker 6: What are you willing to do? What are you willing
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  Speaker 6: to give up in order to live to 112 years old?
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  Speaker 1: Because this is my thing. I haven't really thought about it.
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  Speaker 2: That's a hard question.
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  Speaker 6: There's nothing in my life that I would really say
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  Speaker 6: I'm happy to give that up in order to live longer.
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  Speaker 6: So what would you, like if the doctor said to you, oh, well,
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  Speaker 6: you know, you've got to cut out bread or, you know,
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  Speaker 6: what sort.
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  Speaker 1: Of stuff would you be willing to get rid of?
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  Speaker 2: Well, I already don't eat bread.
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  Speaker 1: I don't eat bread. Oh, my gosh.
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  Speaker 3: No bread, no alcohol.
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  Speaker 2: To be fair, I have food allergies so that I can't.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, fair enough.
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  Speaker 2: Well, no, I live my life. I think I have
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  Speaker 2: a very good life. We've spoken about this before on
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  Speaker 2: this channel. We don't want to go down that path again,
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  Speaker 2: but I've travelled a lot around the world and I'm very,
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  Speaker 2: very pleased with how my life.
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  Speaker 1: Might be a bit of an in-jerk, that one, but anyway.
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  Speaker 2: But, you know, I think you just have to live
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  Speaker 2: your life to the fullest because I think you could
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  Speaker 2: be here today, gone tomorrow and... When we see what's
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  Speaker 2: going on in the world right now, we see, you know,
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  Speaker 2: people can die unexpectedly or bad things could happen at
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  Speaker 2: the drop of a hat, that it's a reminder to
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  Speaker 2: live life to its fullest. You could be here today,
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  Speaker 2: gone tomorrow. That's it. All right, now tell us, David,
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  Speaker 2: One Nation. It's been a big day, hasn't it?
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  Speaker 3: Well, it has.
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  Speaker 7: Warren Pickering, the One Nation leader in Victoria, has had
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  Speaker 7: it all thrown at him today because of his past. And,
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  Speaker 7: of course, now the criticisms of One Nation not doing
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  Speaker 7: anything the appropriate probity check as if this is a
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  Speaker 7: new thing.
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  Speaker 3: And it isn't a new thing.
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  Speaker 7: I remember when I went for pre-selection one, two, three,
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  Speaker 7: four times before I actually got into parliament, they went
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  Speaker 7: through me like a dose of salts. And I know
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  Speaker 7: the Labor Party has a similar process. And I think
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  Speaker 7: it's time for Australians to wake up to themselves and
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  Speaker 7: realise that if you want politicians that have had real
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  Speaker 7: life experiences, well, then guess what? Some of those experiences
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  Speaker 7: aren't going to be necessarily positive. Now, If they went
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  Speaker 7: through my background before I got elected to Parliament, they
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  Speaker 7: might maybe have had to have admitted to a few indiscretions.
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  Speaker 7: And of course, you know, Luke Foley, he jumped up
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  Speaker 7: and admitted that he'd lost his licence twice for DUI.
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  Speaker 3: George W.
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  Speaker 7: Bush had to admit that he was an alcoholic before
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  Speaker 7: he got elected. Dominic Perrottet had to admit that he'd
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  Speaker 7: worn a Nazi uniform to his 21st birthday party.
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  Speaker 3: So this isn't something that is necessarily new.
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  Speaker 7: Every election, every election campaign sees people voted into Parliament
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  Speaker 7: who haven't fully disclosed something in the past. Now, I'm
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  Speaker 7: not necessarily worried about what Warren had done 20 years ago.
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  Speaker 7: He had to pay back $ 13, 800, I think it was,
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  Speaker 7: in a first home grant. That worries me because that
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  Speaker 7: proves dishonesty and we're seeing some of that in the
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  Speaker 7: New South Wales ICAC at the moment with that inquiry.
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  Speaker 7: I'm very worried that, of course, he's used drugs and
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  Speaker 7: that there is a family out there that might be
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  Speaker 7: a little bit broken.
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  Speaker 3: Because of his behaviour.
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  Speaker 7: But if he's truly repented, if he has truly come clean,
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  Speaker 7: if he is truly now focusing on what is good
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  Speaker 7: for his party and his state, I'm prepared to.
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  Speaker 3: give him a bit of a break. Now, I'm surprised.
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  Speaker 7: I've surprised myself for saying that, because as a young bloke,
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  Speaker 7: what motivated me to get into politics was at the
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  Speaker 7: time in the 1980s, there was a Labor minister called
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  Speaker 7: Rex Jackson, and he was in the seat adjoining the
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  Speaker 7: seat that I grew up in in Bankstown. And he
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  Speaker 7: was a crook. And he went to jail. And I
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  Speaker 7: wanted purity in politics. But at 56, I've got to
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  Speaker 7: look back and think to myself, well, if I demanded that,
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  Speaker 7: I would never have got there.
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  Speaker 2: Well, I want to ask you a question about that.
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  Speaker 2: But this is what Mr Pickering said today about his
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  Speaker 2: drug use.
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  Speaker 1: I had utilised illegal drugs in my 20s.
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  Speaker 7: Speed, amphetamines.
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  Speaker 3: Ecstasy and marijuana. Sorry, guys, one question at a time, please.
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  Speaker 1: Ice is not on that list.
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  Speaker 2: So he's admitted there, David, to taking speed and amphetamines.
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  Speaker 2: You're a former politician yourself. You know the game very well.
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  Speaker 2: You know how it works. How does that stack up?
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  Speaker 7: His honesty will save you. Cleanse your soul and you
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  Speaker 7: shall be redeemed, I think. And that's probably what the
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  Speaker 7: people of Victoria are looking at at the moment. And,
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  Speaker 7: in fact, I'd be very, very careful if I was
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  Speaker 7: a left-wing knocker because if the ABC and The Age
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  Speaker 7: go after him because of this... first of all, they
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  Speaker 7: want to be very, very careful because there could be
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  Speaker 7: a few.
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  Speaker 3: Skeletons in their closets.
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  Speaker 7: And particularly, you know, why is it OK for the
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  Speaker 7: Greens to, you know, admit to the fact and in
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  Speaker 7: fact advocate for illegal drug use and for this guy
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  Speaker 7: to get crucified for it? So, I mean, I think
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  Speaker 7: where he would have been in trouble is if he'd
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  Speaker 7: kept it a secret and it had come out the
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  Speaker 7: day before the election or, God forbid, the day after
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  Speaker 7: the election. But I think he'll get through this in
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  Speaker 7: the next couple of months. There's lots of policies to
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  Speaker 7: be debated. There are a lot of water to come
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  Speaker 7: under the bridge. And I think you'll probably find the
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  Speaker 7: majority of Australians will either say, OK, well, you've fessed up,
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  Speaker 7: you've been honest with us, or they'll say, there by
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  Speaker 7: the grace of God, go I.
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  Speaker 6: And it's not just the left, of course, that are
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  Speaker 6: sort of going after Mr Pickering for this. Angus Taylor,
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  Speaker 6: the leader of the federal opposition, has joined in as well.
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  Speaker 8: There are serious questions for One Nation to answer on this.
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  Speaker 8: When did they receive the correspondence from the former partner
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  Speaker 8: of the leader of One Nation? How did they.
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  Speaker 2: Respond to it?
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  Speaker 8: And we call on them to publish that correspondence. I
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  Speaker 8: think Australians deserve to see, Victorians deserve to see.
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  Speaker 6: And, you know, I would warn the Liberal Party and
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  Speaker 6: the National Party, I'd warn every party in politics... to
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  Speaker 6: be very careful about going down this purity line because
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  Speaker 6: there are skeletons in basically every closet you can possibly find, right?
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  Speaker 6: And I think there's this expectation among some people, particularly
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  Speaker 6: the media, that politicians are somehow superhuman. You know, they've
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  Speaker 6: never committed any wrongdoing in their life. They've never made
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  Speaker 6: a mistake. They've never touched drugs. There's never been any infidelity, yada, yada, yada, right?
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  Speaker 1: People, humans, are imperfect.
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  Speaker 6: That doesn't mean that they can't be good leaders. I mean,
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  Speaker 6: Donald Trump, I think we could say in many ways,
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  Speaker 6: is a highly imperfect human being, but has on many
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  Speaker 6: fronts proven himself to be a very good leader.
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  Speaker 1: And so if you.
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  Speaker 6: Want people in politics who can sort of relate to
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  Speaker 6: people out in the real world, which so often we
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  Speaker 6: ask for, we go, oh, these politicians, they're all drones and.
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  Speaker 1: They don't know what's going on in the real world.
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  Speaker 6: And the minute we get someone who's done some stuff
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  Speaker 6: that actually happens in the real world, We go, oh,
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  Speaker 6: we couldn't possibly have that chap. You know, I just
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  Speaker 6: think we've all got to take a step back sometimes
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  Speaker 6: and say redemption is possible.
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  Speaker 1: And forgiveness, I think, is a great virtue.
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  Speaker 6: And if we're to say that everyone who's ever touched
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  Speaker 6: a drug or misappropriated a little bit of money, $ 13, 000,
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  Speaker 6: I think, was the figure in terms of the housing grant, right?
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  Speaker 6: If we're to say that everyone who's ever done some
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  Speaker 6: sort of small misdemeanor is somehow excluded from politics on
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  Speaker 6: the word of their ex-partner, particularly when he had today
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  Speaker 6: his children there with him at that press conference, who said, look,
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  Speaker 6: we back our dad in. We know he's not perfect,
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  Speaker 6: but we're not particularly fond of our mother. And we're
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  Speaker 6: going to take the word of our dad here. He
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  Speaker 6: raised us. You know, what more can you possibly do
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  Speaker 6: to say, well, come on, really?
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  Speaker 2: You can't. You know, I admit, before this press conference today,
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  Speaker 2: my initial thought on this was, is this a One
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  Speaker 2: Nation dud? I'm going to be honest. That was my
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  Speaker 2: first thought. I thought, oh, gosh, here we go. The
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  Speaker 2: vetting process strikes again. After watching that press conference, I
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  Speaker 2: ate my words, and I'll admit that. Now, he's admitted
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  Speaker 2: that he's not perfect. He's said it quite frankly, that
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  Speaker 2: I am no angel. He said it himself. But I
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  Speaker 2: actually think it makes him more relatable to the everyday
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  Speaker 2: voter because people make mistakes in their own lives. As
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  Speaker 2: you both mentioned, people have skeletons in their own closet,
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  Speaker 2: and this is why I think it makes One Nation
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  Speaker 2: quite unique. I think it was a very smart political
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  Speaker 2: play to come out on the front foot today and
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  Speaker 2: to hold a press conference and go through all of
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  Speaker 2: the drug history. You know, he even touched on his
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  Speaker 2: own sexual history to say that there was an open
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  Speaker 2: relationship and he was experimenting with his sexuality. That is
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  Speaker 2: an unprecedented statement to make. in public, but I think
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  Speaker 2: it's a very smart statement to make because it makes
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  Speaker 2: him relatable to the everyday person. And secondly, what are
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  Speaker 2: the left going to say about that? I mean, the
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  Speaker 2: left can't come out and criticise that.
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  Speaker 3: No, no.
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  Speaker 2: That just plays in for them. And the fact that
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  Speaker 2: he had his kids there and I think it was
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  Speaker 2: a stepson actually spoke very frankly and candidly, backed in
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  Speaker 2: his father. And he owned it. He owned it. You know,
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  Speaker 2: Mr Pickering owned his past mistakes. And I tell you what,
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  Speaker 2: we don't see that out of our politicians whatsoever.
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  Speaker 3: Well, that's right.
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  Speaker 7: And my heart sank when I saw Angus Taylor try
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  Speaker 7: to make political capital out of it for the simple
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  Speaker 7: reason there are two matters in New South Wales right
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  Speaker 7: now of people who are elected to Parliament, one is
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  Speaker 7: now no longer in Parliament but still facing the court,
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  Speaker 7: where the party was warned that there were issues in
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  Speaker 7: their past that needed to be addressed. And because the
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  Speaker 7: individuals in question denied the allegations by senior members of
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  Speaker 7: the party, and I hope I'm being obtuse here, the
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  Speaker 7: senior members of the party had been ignored and one
• 16:33
  Speaker 7: person had to resign and is before the court and
• 16:36
  Speaker 7: somebody else is being investigated at the moment. So, Angus,
• 16:39
  Speaker 7: my appeal to you, be very, very, very careful about
• 16:42
  Speaker 7: how many rocks you throw when you're living in a
• 16:45
  Speaker 7: glass house.
• 16:46
  Speaker 1: As should everyone.
• 16:47
  Speaker 6: And the sex life stuff as well. Is it any
• 16:51
  Speaker 6: of our business about a politician's sex life? Or, you know,
• 16:54
  Speaker 6: he engaged in sexual deviancy.
• 16:57
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 16:57
  Speaker 2: I mean... Well, he had to because of what was.
• 16:59
  Speaker 1: I know, I know.
• 17:00
  Speaker 6: But, I mean, you know, for an ex-partner to come
• 17:03
  Speaker 6: out and drag up, oh, well, you know, we had
• 17:05
  Speaker 6: an open relationship and he was trying.
• 17:07
  Speaker 1: It out with blokes... What does it matter?
• 17:09
  Speaker 2: No.
• 17:10
  Speaker 1: Seriously, what does it matter?
• 17:11
  Speaker 6: It has no bearing on your ability to serve as
• 17:14
  Speaker 6: a politician. And that stuff, there's been a general convention
• 17:18
  Speaker 6: in Australia that that stuff is left alone, and I
• 17:21
  Speaker 6: really hope we return to that. Now, down in South Australia,
• 17:25
  Speaker 6: we're very worried about the bird flu, right? This bird flu,
• 17:28
  Speaker 6: we've seen lots of it across the country. And so
• 17:31
  Speaker 6: there has been a suggestion from 21 environmental groups in
• 17:35
  Speaker 6: South Australia, they know how to solve the bird flu.
• 17:38
  Speaker 1: Lock up your cats.
• 17:39
  Speaker 6: Yes, they've sent a letter to the state government. They
• 17:42
  Speaker 6: say to help slow the spread of bird flu, we
• 17:45
  Speaker 6: call on the South Australian government to introduce statewide laws
• 17:48
  Speaker 6: requiring all pet cats to be confined to their owner's
• 17:52
  Speaker 6: properties at all times. So this would basically be not
• 17:57
  Speaker 6: just a curfew. I have no issue with a curfew,
• 17:59
  Speaker 6: by the way. Many of you would know that I
• 18:01
  Speaker 6: have two cats. I live in a flat, so they're
• 18:03
  Speaker 6: contained all the time. the lucky buggers get to look
• 18:06
  Speaker 6: off the balcony at the Harbour Bridge and the water
• 18:08
  Speaker 6: and all this stuff.
• 18:09
  Speaker 1: Cat mum?
• 18:10
  Speaker 2: Cat mum. What are you talking about? Cat mum? For
• 18:12
  Speaker 2: the crazy cat ladies.
• 18:14
  Speaker 1: I won't let you misgender me on air. Thank you
• 18:16
  Speaker 1: very much, Tanika. Cat dad, perhaps. Certainly not a mum.
• 18:21
  Speaker 2: Cat daddy.
• 18:22
  Speaker 1: Oh, dear, dear, dear. Anyway, they're confined all the time.
• 18:26
  Speaker 2: But.
• 18:27
  Speaker 1: I think it's a little.
• 18:28
  Speaker 6: Bit unfair to say that, you know, the cat can't
• 18:31
  Speaker 6: go and visit the neighbour. I mean, look, if there
• 18:34
  Speaker 6: are issues being caused in the neighbourhood, I think, you know,
• 18:36
  Speaker 6: neighbourhoods ought to be able to sort that out.
• 18:38
  Speaker 1: If you've got a cat that.
• 18:39
  Speaker 6: Keeps coming and whizzing on your front lawn and you
• 18:41
  Speaker 6: don't like it, you should go and knock on your
• 18:43
  Speaker 6: neighbour's door and say, mate, do you mind stopping your
• 18:45
  Speaker 6: cat from whizzing on my front lawn? I'm not sure
• 18:47
  Speaker 6: we necessarily need laws to deal with.
• 18:49
  Speaker 1: This kind of stuff.
• 18:50
  Speaker 6: And isn't it always a pleasant thing when you go
• 18:53
  Speaker 6: for a walk And you know, there's a random cat
• 18:55
  Speaker 6: on the footpath and you can give him a pat
• 18:57
  Speaker 6: I mean, we're not going to take these opportunities away
• 19:00
  Speaker 6: from people, are we?
• 19:01
  Speaker 2: I can honestly assure you I have never gone past
• 19:04
  Speaker 2: a cat on the street and gone, let me give
• 19:05
  Speaker 2: it a pat.
• 19:06
  Speaker 3: Oh, why not?
• 19:08
  Speaker 2: If it's a dog, I'll give it a pat. But
• 19:10
  Speaker 2: I personally am not a cat person. No, I'm sorry, Caleb,
• 19:12
  Speaker 2: but seriously, you know, we're talking, the point of this
• 19:15
  Speaker 2: story was about bird flu to begin with. Now, you
• 19:18
  Speaker 2: as an owner have a responsibility to lock up your
• 19:21
  Speaker 2: cat and prevent them from spreading any possible disease. So, no,
• 19:26
  Speaker 2: I'm sorry, confine them to the home. I don't see
• 19:28
  Speaker 2: what the big deal is.
• 19:29
  Speaker 1: Well, but I mean, anyone, you could have the bird flu.
• 19:32
  Speaker 1: Should we lock you up?
• 19:33
  Speaker 2: Well, you'd love that, wouldn't you?
• 19:35
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you wouldn't be able to cut. You would love that.
• 19:38
  Speaker 2: But that is a reasonable point to be making, is
• 19:40
  Speaker 2: that you should be, you as a responsible cat owner
• 19:44
  Speaker 2: should know better that right now, if there's a spread
• 19:46
  Speaker 2: of bird flu and people have been told, lock up
• 19:48
  Speaker 2: your cats inside, then you should be doing that. And
• 19:50
  Speaker 2: I'm all for it. I'm all for the curfew and
• 19:52
  Speaker 2: I'm all for the lock-up.
• 19:53
  Speaker 1: But who's to say that a dog doesn't have bird
• 19:55
  Speaker 1: flu as well?
• 19:56
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but there are different confinement rules for dogs and
• 19:58
  Speaker 2: for cats.
• 19:59
  Speaker 1: But you would.
• 19:59
  Speaker 6: People frequently take their dogs well outside the bounds of
• 20:02
  Speaker 6: their own home and interact with other animals. So surely
• 20:05
  Speaker 6: there's also a risk of spread potentially between dogs and
• 20:08
  Speaker 6: other dogs and... and other creatures that they encounter when
• 20:10
  Speaker 6: they go out for a walk.
• 20:11
  Speaker 2: And cats have more roaming rights than what dogs do. Exactly.
• 20:13
  Speaker 7: And I grew up with a cat and my wife
• 20:16
  Speaker 7: converted me to a dog.
• 20:17
  Speaker 3: So we're now a dog family. I grew up in
• 20:19
  Speaker 3: a cat family. And you're quite right.
• 20:21
  Speaker 7: You know, name me another animal, domesticated or farm animal,
• 20:26
  Speaker 7: that has the right to travel around society and your
• 20:30
  Speaker 7: community more than a cat does. Cats have no boundaries.
• 20:33
  Speaker 7: Whereas if you let your dog out, you've got to
• 20:35
  Speaker 7: either have... You can't go to the park without a leash.
• 20:38
  Speaker 7: If you'll let your dog out in the streets, the
• 20:40
  Speaker 7: council's going to come and lock it up. And, of course,
• 20:44
  Speaker 7: cats just seem to think that they own the joint.
• 20:45
  Speaker 7: And you know that, Caleb, because you've got two of them.
• 20:48
  Speaker 7: And I haven't had one. I know what you're going through.
• 20:50
  Speaker 3: They own the joint.
• 20:51
  Speaker 7: My mother used to make me sit on the ground
• 20:53
  Speaker 7: to watch television because the cat might.
• 20:55
  Speaker 3: Have been in the chair. No way. I'm glad I
• 21:00
  Speaker 3: got to that sort of lifestyle. away from that lifestyle.
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: Wow.
• 21:05
  Speaker 3: Talk about neglect. But I think if this.
• 21:10
  Speaker 7: Is a genuine bird flu issue, well, then maybe we
• 21:13
  Speaker 7: do have to make sure that people keep them inside
• 21:16
  Speaker 7: their houses. I don't know how you're going to keep
• 21:18
  Speaker 7: them inside your property because you're going to have to
• 21:21
  Speaker 7: patrol the fence.
• 21:22
  Speaker 1: I know.
• 21:22
  Speaker 7: And you're going to have to make sure they don't
• 21:24
  Speaker 7: jump over there. I'm pretty sure in this state, in
• 21:26
  Speaker 7: New South Wales, under the Griner government, We were chipping cats.
• 21:29
  Speaker 7: I don't know if they're still doing it. So maybe
• 21:31
  Speaker 7: RoboCat needs to come back.
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: Have you got a chipped cat? Yeah, your cats have
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: to be microchipped. So maybe we.
• 21:37
  Speaker 7: Put a little thing in there so that when they leave,
• 21:39
  Speaker 7: you know... 10 metres from buzzers and.
• 21:43
  Speaker 3: They have to run back.
• 21:43
  Speaker 2: What, they get a zap or something?
• 21:44
  Speaker 9: Yeah, yeah.
• 21:45
  Speaker 3: They get a little zap. I mean, I'm going to
• 21:46
  Speaker 3: have the Cat Society up me now.
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: You can do that with goats.
• 21:50
  Speaker 3: Yeah, well, that's right.
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: It's like a virtual fence, basically. You can go outside
• 21:54
  Speaker 1: of a mat.
• 21:54
  Speaker 7: Gary gives them a little zap. I'm not a fan
• 21:57
  Speaker 7: of this whole letting... I mean, as I said, there
• 22:00
  Speaker 7: is no other animal in... domestic society or in a
• 22:04
  Speaker 7: farm that gets the right to roam as much as
• 22:08
  Speaker 7: a cat does.
• 22:09
  Speaker 1: Very cute.
• 22:10
  Speaker 3: I agree.
• 22:10
  Speaker 2: But I think we need to safeguard neighbourhood ecosystems and
• 22:15
  Speaker 2: we need to, I think it's important for disease protection.
• 22:19
  Speaker 9: Okay.
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: Well, look, I've yet to see.
• 22:21
  Speaker 3: You're blinded, Caleb. You're blinded by the lights.
• 22:24
  Speaker 6: I've yet to see a recorded case of the H5N1
• 22:28
  Speaker 6: being transmitted by a cat.
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: But anyway.
• 22:32
  Speaker 2: Well, you know what? We've got to do all we
• 22:34
  Speaker 2: can right now. We've got bird flu.
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: I'm doing mine a bit. Mine are locked up. Don't
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: worry about that. Yeah, good. Bloody oath.
• 22:39
  Speaker 2: I'll tell you what. Otherwise, we're going to set the
• 22:41
  Speaker 2: RSPCA on.
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: Oh, come on.
• 22:43
  Speaker 2: We're going to do it. We're going to do it.
• 22:45
  Speaker 2: All right, let's move on now. Aboriginal land claims appear
• 22:49
  Speaker 2: to have exploded in New South Wales. It seems that
• 22:52
  Speaker 2: traditional owners are seeking to take control of virtually everything
• 22:55
  Speaker 2: right now, particularly in Sydney's eastern suburbs. Now, they are
• 22:59
  Speaker 2: looking at Iconic bolos, RSLs and even golf courses, for example. Oh,
• 23:05
  Speaker 2: and another one, the iconic Bondi icebergs, as in the
• 23:09
  Speaker 2: very big tourist site in the middle of Bondi. Yep,
• 23:13
  Speaker 2: they're launching a claim against that. There it is on screen.
• 23:16
  Speaker 2: 44,000 claims over Crown land. have been lodged against the
• 23:21
  Speaker 2: state at the moment. Now, this is a problem, right?
• 23:26
  Speaker 2: There is a loophole currently within the legislation. So I'm
• 23:29
  Speaker 2: just going to read this out from my notes. So
• 23:30
  Speaker 2: under New South Wales legislation, Aboriginal land councils can lodge
• 23:34
  Speaker 2: claims for the return of crown land that can be
• 23:37
  Speaker 2: lawfully sold or leased, not be fully occupied, not needed
• 23:41
  Speaker 2: for essential public purpose and not subject to native title claims. Now,
• 23:46
  Speaker 2: the Minns government has made efforts to water down some
• 23:48
  Speaker 2: of the laws, but there are some technicalities whereby there
• 23:53
  Speaker 2: are loopholes, as Chris Minns explained.
• 23:57
  Speaker 4: If these plots of land are handed over, we can't
• 24:01
  Speaker 4: ever get them back. We can't replicate our surf lifesaving
• 24:04
  Speaker 4: clubs or our tennis infrastructure or our bowling clubs. So, look,
• 24:07
  Speaker 4: I was hopeful of a landing. I suspect we're not
• 24:10
  Speaker 4: going to get there. We'd still have to pursue the legislation.
• 24:14
  Speaker 2: The Minns government is looking at further legislation, but as
• 24:16
  Speaker 2: you can imagine, people are angry.
• 24:19
  Speaker 9: State government, I think federal as well, I think Tennis Australia,
• 24:23
  Speaker 9: Tennis New South Wales, I think we all need to
• 24:26
  Speaker 9: get behind it because it is a magnificent community asset and.
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: It shouldn't be lost.
• 24:31
  Speaker 2: And that was an interview that Julia Bradley, one of
• 24:33
  Speaker 2: our reporters here at News 24, did today at a
• 24:36
  Speaker 2: local tennis club. Now, look, are we seriously suggesting that
• 24:39
  Speaker 2: there's going to be some sort of a rainbow serpent
• 24:41
  Speaker 2: that's going to pop up in the middle of Bondi
• 24:43
  Speaker 2: icebergs and surprise everybody? Is this the route that we're
• 24:47
  Speaker 2: going down now? First point I'd make, This is the
• 24:50
  Speaker 2: sort of division that 60% of us voted no to
• 24:52
  Speaker 2: during the voice referendum. We're saying enough of this nonsense.
• 24:55
  Speaker 2: Stop dividing us. Stop saying that you own this, you
• 24:57
  Speaker 2: own that. No, we're all equal. We're all Australian. This
• 25:00
  Speaker 2: is all land that belongs to this country. Secondly, I'm
• 25:04
  Speaker 2: not sure how much of this we can trust with
• 25:07
  Speaker 2: these claims because you both remember the Blaney goldmine decision
• 25:11
  Speaker 2: in regional New South Wales. whereby the Aboriginal Land Council there,
• 25:15
  Speaker 2: the local one, they said, yep, the Blaney gold mine
• 25:17
  Speaker 2: can go ahead, but it was a very, very... Another
• 25:20
  Speaker 2: Aboriginal group with only about 18 people that overruled that
• 25:23
  Speaker 2: decision and said, no, there's a blue-banded bee there, you
• 25:27
  Speaker 2: can't build your gold mine there. So... how can we
• 25:31
  Speaker 2: trust these land claims when they have already been disputed
• 25:35
  Speaker 2: by Aboriginals? And the third point I would make is,
• 25:38
  Speaker 2: what is this going to do to improve the lives
• 25:40
  Speaker 2: of Indigenous Australians? Is this going to help them with
• 25:42
  Speaker 2: their educational outcomes? Is this going to improve the way
• 25:45
  Speaker 2: that they live? I would argue that it's not. And
• 25:49
  Speaker 2: the fact that there are 44,000 claims, including local areas, David,
• 25:54
  Speaker 2: this is just ridiculous. What does it say about our legislation?
• 25:58
  Speaker 7: Well, on your last point, I'm a bit of a
• 26:00
  Speaker 7: soft touch when it comes to Indigenous affairs. I just
• 26:02
  Speaker 7: want one simple thing. I want the kids to be protected.
• 26:06
  Speaker 7: I want them educated. I want them having three square
• 26:09
  Speaker 7: meals a day. I want them to get stable employment
• 26:11
  Speaker 7: and I want people to stop sexually harassing them and
• 26:13
  Speaker 7: sexually abusing them. That's all I ask for when it
• 26:15
  Speaker 7: comes to Indigenous affairs in this country. I would defer
• 26:19
  Speaker 7: to some Indigenous leaders to have a discussion on this.
• 26:22
  Speaker 3: But guess what?
• 26:23
  Speaker 7: We haven't seen many of them stand up about it.
• 26:25
  Speaker 7: Nobody's jumping up and down about this because I'd like
• 26:28
  Speaker 7: to think that the Indigenous leader in 2026 is actually
• 26:32
  Speaker 7: thinking about health and lifestyle and bridging the gap and
• 26:38
  Speaker 7: making sure that we have a practical approach to Indigenous
• 26:43
  Speaker 7: affairs and to rehabilitating those families that have been, have
• 26:47
  Speaker 7: fallen through the gap. So, I mean, but where does
• 26:50
  Speaker 7: it stop? I mean, this is why One Nation are
• 26:53
  Speaker 7: where they are. And this is why people are suspicious about,
• 26:57
  Speaker 7: were suspicious about the voice because nobody could get a
• 27:01
  Speaker 7: thorough understanding of what it meant. Where does it stop? What, okay,
• 27:06
  Speaker 7: today it's going to be my tennis club. Is tomorrow
• 27:08
  Speaker 7: my front yard? Is the next day going to be
• 27:11
  Speaker 7: the church? Is the day after that going to be
• 27:13
  Speaker 7: the war memorial? I mean, where does it stop? And
• 27:16
  Speaker 7: I think that people have a right to ask and
• 27:18
  Speaker 7: dig deep into these questions. And I think Chris Minns
• 27:21
  Speaker 7: has read the room. He's six months away from an election.
• 27:24
  Speaker 7: He's probably in Western Sydney, I can tell you, Labor are,
• 27:28
  Speaker 7: and so they should be scared of One Nation. And
• 27:30
  Speaker 7: these are the issues that are going to drive people
• 27:32
  Speaker 7: away from Labor if Chris Minns doesn't manage them well enough.
• 27:35
  Speaker 6: One bloke I think who has spoken is Roy R.C.,
• 27:37
  Speaker 6: who has headed up an Aboriginal Land Council previously and
• 27:41
  Speaker 6: he's been.
• 27:42
  Speaker 2: He was part of the Blaney Mind.
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 27:44
  Speaker 6: He was one of the ones who said, go ahead
• 27:46
  Speaker 6: and was overruled. And he's been quite sensible on saying, look,
• 27:50
  Speaker 6: we need to do this in good faith, right?
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: Now, the law sets out, as you.
• 27:55
  Speaker 6: Said, Danika, that if there is Crown land that is unused,
• 27:59
  Speaker 6: is not needed for an essential public purpose and is
• 28:02
  Speaker 6: not subject to native title, that Aboriginal Land Councils have
• 28:07
  Speaker 6: a right to make a claim that can then be determined...
• 28:10
  Speaker 6: And if they win that claim, they're given that land
• 28:12
  Speaker 6: as freehold, which is something that they can then use
• 28:15
  Speaker 6: for economic prosperity and potentially to lift people up out
• 28:18
  Speaker 6: of poverty.
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: And do good things for them. But surely the issue.
• 28:23
  Speaker 6: Here is that this land is meant to be unused
• 28:25
  Speaker 6: and not available for an essential public service. And they
• 28:29
  Speaker 6: are deliberately putting claims on pieces of Crown land that
• 28:33
  Speaker 6: are being used.
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: That is a spurious claim. And so I think there.
• 28:37
  Speaker 6: Needs to be some kind of penalty... for land claims
• 28:41
  Speaker 6: that are clearly just ambit claims, they must know that
• 28:44
  Speaker 6: they're never going to get them up. I mean, they're
• 28:45
  Speaker 6: not going to be handing out these tennis clubs and
• 28:47
  Speaker 6: Club Rose Bay and Bondi Icebergs, because they're in use.
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: They don't fit the rules.
• 28:53
  Speaker 6: But they're making these claims anyway, basically just to clog
• 28:56
  Speaker 6: the joint up and see what they could potentially get
• 28:59
  Speaker 6: over the line. There should be financial penalties for that stuff,
• 29:02
  Speaker 6: as far as I'm concerned.
• 29:03
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I think you're probably right.
• 29:04
  Speaker 7: I mean, in most other parts of the law, if
• 29:07
  Speaker 7: you make a vexatious claim, there's a penalty for it.
• 29:11
  Speaker 7: So if that's what they're doing, well, then they need
• 29:14
  Speaker 7: to answer for themselves because they're certainly burning state resources
• 29:18
  Speaker 7: by making us go through the application process. But, I mean,
• 29:22
  Speaker 7: as I said, one thing that I learnt in 12
• 29:25
  Speaker 7: years in Parliament, even before then working with Aboriginal groups
• 29:29
  Speaker 7: in the military and in community, you know, if There
• 29:34
  Speaker 7: are a variety of opinions. And you talk to anybody
• 29:37
  Speaker 7: that's been a minister for Aboriginal Affairs, and I haven't
• 29:39
  Speaker 7: been I would have loved to have been a minister
• 29:41
  Speaker 7: for Aboriginal Affairs, but if you talk to them, it
• 29:43
  Speaker 7: is the most political portfolio in the cabinet because, you know,
• 29:48
  Speaker 7: you get four land councils together and you'll get five opinions.
• 29:53
  Speaker 7: and that creates a great deal of anxiety amongst the
• 29:56
  Speaker 7: community in itself, and it's another reason why a lot
• 29:59
  Speaker 7: of people just won't step up and take leadership roles.
• 30:01
  Speaker 2: No, no, that's it. But, I mean, the fact that
• 30:03
  Speaker 2: they're just dishing them out willy-nilly now, I mean, give
• 30:07
  Speaker 2: us a break, because it actually makes it a big joke.
• 30:09
  Speaker 2: It really, really does. David, one of your favourite topics
• 30:13
  Speaker 2: is road safety and potholes, isn't it? What's going on there?
• 30:16
  Speaker 7: Well, I mean, this Tasmanian council, which has spent $ 52, 000 painting.
• 30:23
  Speaker 7: The bitumen, the road to a blue wave. I mean,
• 30:29
  Speaker 7: it's road safety. Now, I've been the police minister. I've
• 30:32
  Speaker 7: been involved in road safety. I've been a local member.
• 30:35
  Speaker 7: I work for engineers in my current role. And I
• 30:41
  Speaker 7: can't for the life of me see how this has
• 30:44
  Speaker 7: anything to do with road safety. I think this is
• 30:47
  Speaker 7: a vanity project par excellence. Now, if they've got the money,
• 30:51
  Speaker 7: Tasmanian Council, By all means, blow it. But I know
• 30:56
  Speaker 7: the mayor down there is probably going to be talking
• 30:58
  Speaker 7: to the premier and then we'll go to Canberra and
• 31:00
  Speaker 7: talk to the prime minister and say we have no resources,
• 31:03
  Speaker 7: we're short of funding. So what we need to do
• 31:07
  Speaker 7: is be very, very serious about the way that local
• 31:10
  Speaker 7: councils pay for this sort of infrastructure, this beautification. My
• 31:15
  Speaker 7: other concern is, of course, how it affects the pothole
• 31:21
  Speaker 7: revenues that need to be spent because with the rollout
• 31:25
  Speaker 7: of electric vehicles right now, these vehicles are a lot heavier.
• 31:30
  Speaker 7: And so we're talking about the burden of potholes. And
• 31:33
  Speaker 7: let me tell you, if you ask a local member
• 31:35
  Speaker 7: or a local councillor to list the top three issues
• 31:38
  Speaker 7: that are affecting their community, I can bet you London
• 31:42
  Speaker 7: to a brick that potholes are in the top three.
• 31:45
  Speaker 3: So if you've got money, $ 52, 000 to blow on blue waves.
• 31:50
  Speaker 7: And you've got potholes par excellence, it's only going to
• 31:54
  Speaker 7: get worse.
• 31:55
  Speaker 2: Well, let's just have a look here. So this is
• 31:57
  Speaker 2: a Kingsborough Council candidate. This is the blue wave marking story.
• 32:02
  Speaker 2: Will Perry, he is explaining where the $ 52, 000 of taxpayer
• 32:09
  Speaker 2: money has gone to. G'day, I'm Will Perry.
• 32:13
  Speaker 10: I'm back here at Kingston Beach and I'm out the
• 32:15
  Speaker 10: front of the childcare centre on Beach Road. My very
• 32:18
  Speaker 10: first campaign video was about the notorious blue waves here
• 32:22
  Speaker 10: and further along the road too. I couldn't believe that
• 32:25
  Speaker 10: more than $ 50, 000 of public money had been absolutely squandered
• 32:29
  Speaker 10: on this project that was meant to improve pedestrian safety.
• 32:32
  Speaker 2: You know, I've been racking my brain all night to
• 32:34
  Speaker 2: try and figure out how that amounts to road safety.
• 32:37
  Speaker 2: What is a car supposed to do when they look
• 32:39
  Speaker 2: at those blue waves and go, oh, this is going
• 32:41
  Speaker 2: to make me a more safer driver? To me, I
• 32:43
  Speaker 2: wouldn't even, if I saw that on the roads, I'd
• 32:45
  Speaker 2: be like, oh, just a bit of decorative road painting.
• 32:48
  Speaker 2: It wouldn't occur to me that they're there specifically for
• 32:50
  Speaker 2: road safety.
• 32:51
  Speaker 1: I would have thought it would make things more unsafe.
• 32:53
  Speaker 1: I mean, you go, what the hell is all this
• 32:54
  Speaker 1: gear on the road?
• 32:56
  Speaker 6: And I don't know, if you've got a few, you know, problems,
• 32:59
  Speaker 6: you might look at it and your vision goes all
• 33:01
  Speaker 6: wonky and you go, whoa, you're going through.
• 33:03
  Speaker 1: Some psychedelic trip here. Like, what the hell?
• 33:06
  Speaker 6: I'd think some Martians come down and done... What on
• 33:10
  Speaker 6: earth is happening? I must be off my tree. I
• 33:12
  Speaker 6: cannot possibly understand what on earth that is meant to be.
• 33:18
  Speaker 2: Well, they said it was for pedestrian safety.
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: But how?
• 33:21
  Speaker 6: Like, it doesn't look like a crossing or anything.
• 33:24
  Speaker 3: To Will's point, to Will's point... People won't understand what
• 33:27
  Speaker 3: it is.
• 33:28
  Speaker 7: So if you're a kid, you might look at that
• 33:30
  Speaker 7: and think it's a new dangled zebra crossing. And so
• 33:34
  Speaker 7: you run across it or you ride across it in
• 33:36
  Speaker 7: your bike and you're going to get wiped out. So
• 33:38
  Speaker 7: I actually think it is an anti-road safety program because
• 33:42
  Speaker 7: I worry about what happens if the elderly walk across
• 33:45
  Speaker 7: it and they think that the cars have to stop
• 33:48
  Speaker 7: because there's a wavy blue line bit of artwork there that,
• 33:52
  Speaker 7: as Caleb said, could have been done by somebody who'd
• 33:55
  Speaker 7: been smoking the.
• 33:56
  Speaker 3: Stuff that the Greens legalised. The hippie stuff. I'm off it.
• 34:01
  Speaker 3: I'm voting for Will. I'm with Will on that.
• 34:03
  Speaker 6: We could ask Warren Pickering if he's smoked any dope
• 34:06
  Speaker 6: and then maybe he could go and own up to it. Now,
• 34:10
  Speaker 6: speaking of smoking dope, someone must have been when they
• 34:12
  Speaker 6: came up with this idea. Did you know that we
• 34:14
  Speaker 6: had a youth climate champion?
• 34:17
  Speaker 2: No idea.
• 34:19
  Speaker 1: I didn't know until this morning. I opened up the newspaper.
• 34:21
  Speaker 1: What the hell is this?
• 34:23
  Speaker 6: Apparently we've got this youth climate champion, which is all
• 34:25
  Speaker 6: part of our, you know, we didn't get COP, so
• 34:27
  Speaker 6: we're having the COP that's not the COP in Fiji,
• 34:30
  Speaker 6: which of course is a COP out. But we are,
• 34:33
  Speaker 6: as part of that, we have appointed a youth climate
• 34:36
  Speaker 6: champion who has been flying around the world apparently, going
• 34:40
  Speaker 6: to conferences and advocating. I don't know. They won't tell
• 34:44
  Speaker 6: us how much they've spent. on this young lady travelling
• 34:48
  Speaker 6: around the world, Sally Higgins.
• 34:51
  Speaker 1: What the hell is a youth climate champion to begin with?
• 34:53
  Speaker 7: Well, I've been looking at the travel itinerary that this
• 34:57
  Speaker 7: young lady has been able to enjoy and I've got
• 35:00
  Speaker 7: a confession. Tomorrow morning I'm going to wake up and
• 35:03
  Speaker 7: identify as a youth climate champion.
• 35:07
  Speaker 1: That fits you very well, David.
• 35:09
  Speaker 7: I want to be a youth climate champion so that
• 35:10
  Speaker 7: I can fly around the world on somebody else's coin.
• 35:13
  Speaker 1: I can see it all over you, David.
• 35:14
  Speaker 3: Oh, it's... You just want us to call you champ.
• 35:17
  Speaker 2: You just want to be called champ.
• 35:18
  Speaker 1: From now on.
• 35:19
  Speaker 3: Well, it's been a while. It's been a while.
• 35:24
  Speaker 7: I just think that this is fantastic and I don't
• 35:25
  Speaker 7: want you to watch the job until I can apply
• 35:27
  Speaker 7: for it.
• 35:27
  Speaker 2: No, well, look, absolutely fair enough. No, I'd never heard
• 35:30
  Speaker 2: of this position, but my first thought was it's going
• 35:31
  Speaker 2: to be another Chris Bowen invention. It has to be.
• 35:34
  Speaker 2: That's a name that Chris Bowen has trotted out there
• 35:37
  Speaker 2: and he's invented this role. This has got Bowen written
• 35:40
  Speaker 2: all over it. It's got his filthy paws on it.
• 35:42
  Speaker 2: It's a dunner.
• 35:43
  Speaker 6: I wish I'd known that the applications had opened at
• 35:45
  Speaker 6: some point. Because, you know, sub-30, surely I could qualify
• 35:48
  Speaker 6: as a youth.
• 35:49
  Speaker 2: You two just want to be champs.
• 35:50
  Speaker 6: So I could be youth climate champion and travel around
• 35:54
  Speaker 6: the world, couldn't I?
• 35:55
  Speaker 1: Wouldn't it be wonderful? We'll need you on the later, mate.
• 35:57
  Speaker 6: Burn up those beautiful fossil fuels in the name of
• 35:59
  Speaker 6: climate change.
• 36:00
  Speaker 2: You know what? You're both champions in my eyes. Good
• 36:02
  Speaker 2: on you, champs. Good stuff, champs. Now, on that note,
• 36:05
  Speaker 2: we're going to take a quick break. Coming up, Aussie
• 36:08
  Speaker 2: school students are among the worst behaved in the world.
• 36:11
  Speaker 2: That's next. Welcome back to the show. Let's take a
• 36:22
  Speaker 2: look at the front pages. A massive scoop on the
• 36:25
  Speaker 2: Herald Sun, Caleb.
• 36:26
  Speaker 1: Certainly is. Exclusive racism scandal. Shock.
• 36:30
  Speaker 6: Hawks secret tapes bombshell explosive tapes and documents from the
• 36:34
  Speaker 6: afl's hawthorne racism probe hidden until today have exposed how
• 36:38
  Speaker 6: the shocking case against coaching greats alistair clarkson and chris
• 36:41
  Speaker 6: fagan collapsed and the stars who spoke out in their
• 36:45
  Speaker 6: defense now you might remember this story uh some years
• 36:48
  Speaker 6: ago 2022 i think it was uh this uh report
• 36:51
  Speaker 6: on alleged racism at hawthorne that had been released at
• 36:55
  Speaker 6: Then later it turned out that the chap who'd authored
• 36:56
  Speaker 6: it had committed fraud in a completely separate case. But
• 37:01
  Speaker 6: a number of players, Indigenous players, including Sean Burgoyne, it
• 37:05
  Speaker 6: turns out, in these new documents, came out in defence
• 37:10
  Speaker 6: of Faggs and Clarko. The whole thing, I think, was
• 37:14
  Speaker 6: an absolute joke. You know, nothing ever came of it.
• 37:18
  Speaker 6: The allegations were... were frankly sensational to the point that
• 37:23
  Speaker 6: they were just unbelievable. The fact it was given the
• 37:26
  Speaker 6: credence it was at the time was a disgrace.
• 37:29
  Speaker 1: It severely affected Alistair Clarkson.
• 37:32
  Speaker 6: He had to take time off at North Melbourne where
• 37:35
  Speaker 6: he'd just been appointed coach. Chris Fagan, thank God, has
• 37:38
  Speaker 6: gone on to enjoy success as a premiership coach. But,
• 37:41
  Speaker 6: you know, they were put through the ringer for a
• 37:44
  Speaker 6: load of garbage when, as we now learn, they had
• 37:47
  Speaker 6: Indigenous players at the team who were defending them for
• 37:50
  Speaker 6: what they had done, which clearly was not racist.
• 37:53
  Speaker 2: Well, they were clearly made scapegoats. The club was looking
• 37:55
  Speaker 2: for a scapegoat and they found it in these two
• 37:58
  Speaker 2: great men. which is such a shame. You know, the
• 38:01
  Speaker 2: AFL has been through its fair share of scandals, but
• 38:03
  Speaker 2: this is up there with one of the absolute worst.
• 38:06
  Speaker 2: But it has destroyed... It's destroyed careers. It's destroyed Clarkson's career.
• 38:10
  Speaker 2: There's no doubt about it.
• 38:11
  Speaker 1: Well, I wouldn't go so far as to say it's
• 38:13
  Speaker 1: destroyed his career. I think it has.
• 38:14
  Speaker 6: Well, I think he's been sacked from North for different reasons.
• 38:18
  Speaker 2: But it tarnished it.
• 38:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Look, I think he and Fagan.
• 38:22
  Speaker 6: have been able to move beyond it, thank God, but
• 38:26
  Speaker 6: it's the fact that it happened in the first place.
• 38:28
  Speaker 1: But they should never have been dragged through the mud.
• 38:30
  Speaker 7: Yeah, I mean, why do we do this to our
• 38:32
  Speaker 7: professional athletes? So this is the tall poppy syndrome on steroids.
• 38:35
  Speaker 7: And the only time I've ever criticised Jason Clear, who
• 38:38
  Speaker 7: I have a great deal of respect for, was that
• 38:41
  Speaker 7: whole dodgy investigation into sports betting when he was the
• 38:45
  Speaker 7: sports minister in the Rudd government.
• 38:47
  Speaker 3: And this is more of the same. We look at excuses.
• 38:50
  Speaker 7: We find excuses to bring people down. It's mostly fabricated.
• 38:53
  Speaker 7: And when does it happen? The month before finals.
• 38:57
  Speaker 2: Good point.
• 38:57
  Speaker 7: To create maximum amount of anxiety amongst people that, quite frankly,
• 39:03
  Speaker 7: need less anxiety.
• 39:04
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a very, very fair point. Let's take a
• 39:07
  Speaker 2: look now at the Australian exclusive secret birth tax, another
• 39:11
  Speaker 2: budget burp. Here we go. Labor's proposed exemption on a
• 39:15
  Speaker 2: new $ 45 billion tax hike has created a tax on
• 39:19
  Speaker 2: newborns added to trusts after 2028, sparking claims from business
• 39:24
  Speaker 2: that Jim Chalmers' attempts to tweak his controversial budget have
• 39:28
  Speaker 2: descended into a game of whack-a-mole. The Treasurer introduced a
• 39:31
  Speaker 2: minimum 30% tax on trusts in May that pushes people
• 39:34
  Speaker 2: to restructure into companies. which pay lower rates but also
• 39:38
  Speaker 2: triggering a stamp duty cost almost four months after the
• 39:41
  Speaker 2: budget and in an attempt to prevent people from restructuring
• 39:44
  Speaker 2: Dr Chalmers' promise last week in draft legislation and exemption
• 39:48
  Speaker 2: from the 30% tax if trusts fix their distributions to
• 39:52
  Speaker 2: beneficiaries instead of leaving them discretionary. And now on Tuesday,
• 39:56
  Speaker 2: tax experts discovered that adding a newborn child into the
• 40:00
  Speaker 2: trust after the cut-off date of July 28th would revoke
• 40:03
  Speaker 2: the exemption and leave the entire first year's trust income
• 40:07
  Speaker 2: taxed at 47%. Look, it just gets worse. Every day
• 40:12
  Speaker 2: we find new little stories, new angles coming out of it,
• 40:17
  Speaker 2: and what has been an absolute deadbeat budget from day one.
• 40:21
  Speaker 2: Everyone's being influenced, everyone, even newborns.
• 40:24
  Speaker 3: It's so sad.
• 40:24
  Speaker 7: I mean, remember when Peter Costello's made childbirth a profitable activity?
• 40:28
  Speaker 6: Yes.
• 40:29
  Speaker 7: And now these guys haven't met a period of one's
• 40:33
  Speaker 7: life that isn't worth taxing. And, you know, childbirth and
• 40:37
  Speaker 7: preparing for the rearing of children is an expensive and
• 40:41
  Speaker 7: anxious exercise. I remember, you know, I was actually so
• 40:46
  Speaker 7: happy when our boys left childcare to go into infant
• 40:51
  Speaker 7: school because the local Catholic school was about.
• 40:54
  Speaker 3: Half the price of the childcare. And you have to
• 40:57
  Speaker 3: prepare for it.
• 40:58
  Speaker 7: And, you know, I think the day that the Stork
• 41:00
  Speaker 7: announced that he was coming to our place, I started
• 41:02
  Speaker 7: financially preparing.
• 41:03
  Speaker 3: Of course.
• 41:04
  Speaker 2: for the inevitable. That's it.
• 41:06
  Speaker 7: And I can't believe that a Labor government that prepares.
• 41:10
  Speaker 3: pretends to.
• 41:12
  Speaker 7: Be out there for the little bloke, to be out
• 41:15
  Speaker 7: there to make it easier on families at a cost
• 41:17
  Speaker 7: of living crisis, would start to make this sort of
• 41:20
  Speaker 7: amendment to... to what has been a legitimate and worthwhile
• 41:26
  Speaker 7: exercise for families when they were trying to prepare for
• 41:29
  Speaker 7: a trial. Because remember, you know, often is the case
• 41:31
  Speaker 7: that mum has to leave work or mum has to
• 41:33
  Speaker 7: leave full-time work in those early years, and this sort
• 41:36
  Speaker 7: of thing is a way, these sort of set-ups are
• 41:39
  Speaker 7: a way for them to prepare for that. So very,
• 41:42
  Speaker 7: very sad, and I think it's going to be one
• 41:47
  Speaker 7: that they will probably have to bring back.
• 41:49
  Speaker 2: You're absolutely spot on. Now, David, you have got the
• 41:52
  Speaker 2: Daily Telegraph. What is on the front page there tomorrow?
• 41:57
  Speaker 7: Well, the Journal of Record today or tomorrow is talking
• 42:01
  Speaker 7: about how we now have a situation where the teen
• 42:06
  Speaker 7: grades are two years behind their parents' generation, which is
• 42:11
  Speaker 7: a very, very sad state of affairs. So they're saying
• 42:14
  Speaker 7: the New South Wales students are now more than two
• 42:15
  Speaker 7: years behind their parents' generation and In maths and reading,
• 42:18
  Speaker 7: by the age of 15, your research shows with standards
• 42:21
  Speaker 7: dropping to their lowest levels on record. And, I mean,
• 42:25
  Speaker 7: I remember my father's advice to me or his reflection
• 42:31
  Speaker 7: on fatherhood was that the best thing that you can
• 42:34
  Speaker 7: give your children is a better opportunity.
• 42:36
  Speaker 3: Than you had.
• 42:37
  Speaker 7: And how do you do that, particularly in a country
• 42:39
  Speaker 7: like Australia? You make sure that their education standards are
• 42:42
  Speaker 7: higher than yours. And what we're seeing here right now,
• 42:46
  Speaker 7: is a state of fail. And I think it's kind
• 42:51
  Speaker 7: of a reflection of broader society when what we're handing
• 42:54
  Speaker 7: over to our children. Our children are getting less economic opportunity.
• 42:58
  Speaker 7: They're getting a much more unstable world. They're inheriting a
• 43:05
  Speaker 7: much more unstable world. And now we're seeing on the
• 43:07
  Speaker 7: front page of the Daily Telegraph that their education standards
• 43:09
  Speaker 7: are less than what we were offering, what we were
• 43:13
  Speaker 7: inheriting from our parents. So I think, I mean, I'm
• 43:16
  Speaker 7: good on.
• 43:17
  Speaker 3: The state, the Daily Telegraph to write this.
• 43:19
  Speaker 7: It is always a very risky place to go for
• 43:23
  Speaker 7: a newspaper to highlight the fact that there's failings in society.
• 43:26
  Speaker 7: But it's particularly a newspaper that is always focuses on
• 43:32
  Speaker 7: the positive in society at some stage of their edition.
• 43:34
  Speaker 2: So. Well, you know, that generation's meant to be the
• 43:37
  Speaker 2: lucky generation, right? They're meant to have all of the
• 43:39
  Speaker 2: opportunities available to them to learn, to grow, have access
• 43:43
  Speaker 2: to resources. And I actually think social media is playing
• 43:46
  Speaker 2: a very big part in it as well.
• 43:47
  Speaker 6: Well, you know, we keep throwing more and more money
• 43:49
  Speaker 6: at education because we're told that we'll fix it, and
• 43:51
  Speaker 6: then we find out that nothing has changed.
• 43:53
  Speaker 1: In fact, it gets worse. You throw more and more money.
• 43:55
  Speaker 6: At a problem that doesn't work, you just get a
• 43:57
  Speaker 6: more expensive problem. On the front of the advertiser tomorrow,
• 44:01
  Speaker 6: a story that may well feed into this one, Aussie kids...
• 44:04
  Speaker 6: Among the naughtiest, Australian students are among the worst behaved
• 44:07
  Speaker 6: in the world with bullying and classroom disruption as bad
• 44:11
  Speaker 6: as Turkey, Lebanon and Poland.
• 44:13
  Speaker 1: A new global snapshot. What's going on in Poland?
• 44:15
  Speaker 6: Just nine of the 91 countries reported less bullying than
• 44:19
  Speaker 6: Australian students with higher levels of bullying reported in 2025
• 44:23
  Speaker 6: than 2022. The latest program for international student assessment results
• 44:28
  Speaker 6: also showed more than half of SA teenagers are struggling
• 44:31
  Speaker 6: with maths, a decrease on the almost two-thirds of 15-year-old
• 44:34
  Speaker 6: students who attained national standards in 2009.
• 44:37
  Speaker 1: So there you go. Our kids are some of the
• 44:40
  Speaker 1: worst in the world.
• 44:42
  Speaker 2: How did we get here? How did we get here?
• 44:44
  Speaker 2: What is it? Is it a parental... Ranking competence.
• 44:48
  Speaker 6: Maybe.
• 44:50
  Speaker 3: Less on woke and more on manners.
• 44:51
  Speaker 2: Good point. Less on woke, more on manners. How simple
• 44:54
  Speaker 2: is that? All right, coming up after the break, Harry
• 44:55
  Speaker 2: and Meghan said that they were taken back by the
• 44:58
  Speaker 2: King's public statement, reminding them that they are private citizens.
• 45:02
  Speaker 2: All the irony. That's next. Welcome back. Gee, Donald Trump's
• 45:09
  Speaker 2: having a ball of a time with AI, isn't he?
• 45:12
  Speaker 6: It's a bit like, you know, when a kid discovers
• 45:14
  Speaker 6: a new toy and they become obsessed with it.
• 45:16
  Speaker 1: They don't want to use any other toy.
• 45:18
  Speaker 6: I think Donald Trump's having a bit of a moment
• 45:21
  Speaker 6: with AI. After dying, he's here a little darker, which
• 45:24
  Speaker 6: we talked about last night.
• 45:25
  Speaker 1: He's decided over the Labor.
• 45:27
  Speaker 6: Day long weekend over in the US to have a
• 45:30
  Speaker 6: go with the AI, and he's generated some absolute corkers.
• 45:34
  Speaker 6: for you to have a look at here. He's been
• 45:36
  Speaker 6: putting stuff up on social media. As you can see there,
• 45:39
  Speaker 6: who's the greatest president of them all? He's going to
• 45:42
  Speaker 6: conquer the moon again, of course. We know what happened
• 45:46
  Speaker 6: in the Cold War, 69. They want to do all
• 45:48
  Speaker 6: sorts of stuff. They want to take over Canada.
• 45:51
  Speaker 1: They want to... Oh, that's great. That's brilliant. I mean, seriously.
• 45:58
  Speaker 1: I don't know.
• 45:59
  Speaker 6: You expect this stuff of Donald Trump to some degree.
• 46:02
  Speaker 6: But it's like, is the guy sitting there at night
• 46:04
  Speaker 6: fiddling around on AI?
• 46:06
  Speaker 1: Isn't he?
• 46:06
  Speaker 3: Like, is he on chat? I'm going to post it
• 46:09
  Speaker 3: on social media.
• 46:10
  Speaker 2: Is he on chat GPT doing these up himself?
• 46:13
  Speaker 1: I wouldn't be surprised.
• 46:14
  Speaker 7: If that was me, my wife would have blocked the
• 46:17
  Speaker 7: liquor cabinet.
• 46:18
  Speaker 3: She'd have said, right, David. That doesn't stop.
• 46:21
  Speaker 2: There's something very wrong.
• 46:22
  Speaker 3: Have a drink, Donald. You might get a little bit
• 46:24
  Speaker 3: more sober.
• 46:25
  Speaker 1: Slip some bourbon into that dark.
• 46:27
  Speaker 2: Well, that's about it. Yeah, no, exactly.
• 46:29
  Speaker 7: I can't understand how he gets... I mean, I get
• 46:32
  Speaker 7: why he wants Canada, but why does he want Mexico?
• 46:34
  Speaker 2: He wants to rule the world, David.
• 46:36
  Speaker 3: I don't even like fish tacos. I don't know why.
• 46:38
  Speaker 2: Oh, well, well, that's it. Now, Harry and Meghan claim
• 46:41
  Speaker 2: that they were caught off guard after... The King issued
• 46:44
  Speaker 2: them with a letter saying, reminding them that they are
• 46:47
  Speaker 2: indeed private citizens. The King made this letter today since
• 46:50
  Speaker 2: they have moved back to the UK and basically said, yep,
• 46:53
  Speaker 2: you might be the Duke and Duchess, but you are
• 46:56
  Speaker 2: still a private citizen. Well, here is what the Sussexes said.
• 47:00
  Speaker 2: We were a little surprised not to have been told
• 47:03
  Speaker 2: about this in advance, is what the statement read, with
• 47:06
  Speaker 2: the representative adding that the publication of the letter had
• 47:08
  Speaker 2: caught Harry and Meghan off guard. Wow, the irony is
• 47:12
  Speaker 2: just absolutely astonishing. You know what would have caught people
• 47:14
  Speaker 2: off guard was when Harry wrote Spare, when Harry and
• 47:17
  Speaker 2: Meghan did their documentary, the interviews, the Oprah interview, and
• 47:21
  Speaker 2: all of the palaver that has followed. I would say
• 47:23
  Speaker 2: that if anyone's going to be caught off guard, it
• 47:25
  Speaker 2: was the monarchy. Oh, and by the way, Harry's been...
• 47:27
  Speaker 2: Caught in the wild, actually, since they moved to the UK.
• 47:31
  Speaker 2: We've seen him in public for the first time, if
• 47:33
  Speaker 2: we can bring up those photos. There he is at
• 47:36
  Speaker 2: Tower Bridge Studios. I'm shocked he doesn't have a microphone
• 47:39
  Speaker 2: strapped to him ready for another documentary. Was there a
• 47:42
  Speaker 2: camera crew in the background? Can anyone see some lights,
• 47:44
  Speaker 2: camera action there?
• 47:45
  Speaker 7: Well, I mean, as the nation's number one monarchist, I
• 47:48
  Speaker 7: can only say to Harry, jog on, mate.
• 47:51
  Speaker 3: Jog on.
• 47:52
  Speaker 7: You've made a decision. we're not interested, you came to Australia,
• 47:58
  Speaker 7: nobody wanted to see you.
• 47:59
  Speaker 6: And seriously, I mean, oh, we were blindsided by it.
• 48:03
  Speaker 6: I suspect the royal family might have been blindsided by
• 48:05
  Speaker 6: the fact that they moved back to the UK.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, well, exactly.
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  Speaker 1: Clearly they thought they were going to get more. And
• 48:11
  Speaker 1: it's not happening.
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  Speaker 2: Well, they didn't.
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  Speaker 1: And they're mightily upset about it.
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  Speaker 2: They didn't tell the King exactly. Now, David, tell us
• 48:16
  Speaker 2: about ghost towns.
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  Speaker 7: Oh, this one's very exciting for me because I spent
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  Speaker 7: the winter watching John Wayne Westerns on a Saturday afternoon
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  Speaker 7: the way that my father and I used to in
• 48:25
  Speaker 7: the 1980s. So Brent Underwood, who's 39, he bought a
• 48:30
  Speaker 7: 1965 silver mining settlement.
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  Speaker 3: And we can see.
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  Speaker 7: These pictures here that he's decided to be the sole, well,
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  Speaker 7: the sole earthly owner. resident of um of uh of
• 48:42
  Speaker 7: this ghost town and i looked at this and it
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  Speaker 7: conjured up images of john wayne you know i i
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  Speaker 7: want to go and visit him and say you know
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  Speaker 7: something like you know i'm not gonna hit you i'm
• 48:52
  Speaker 7: not gonna hit you to hell i mean i i
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  Speaker 7: think this is the coolest thing i've seen for quite
• 48:57
  Speaker 7: some time i visited a ghost town when i was
• 48:59
  Speaker 7: backpacking through the united states as a as a young man,
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  Speaker 7: and I reckon that it's boys' own stuff.
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  Speaker 3: It has to be, right? If he wants a second resident,
• 49:09
  Speaker 3: here we go.
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  Speaker 5: He's ready.
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  Speaker 3: I'll be sending Nicole.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, jeez. He likes ghosts.
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  Speaker 3: She lives with a ghost.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, she lives with the ghost of David. God help
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  Speaker 2: us all. All right, that's all we've got time for.
• 49:21
  Speaker 2: Thanks for your company. The Rita Patahee Show is next.
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  Speaker 2: Good night.