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Talks to Mark Rawlins & Luke Molloy about their choice of Listen · A Hamster With a Blunt Penknife - a Doctor Who Commentary podcast

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Tell me how my good man. So did we get to what a decent
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doctor now? How lovely?
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Fuck off. Okay, let's start in 5 4, 3 2, 1
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0, I come back to the blunt. Penknife Doctor, Who comment re
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podcast, are you taking the piss?
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I'll go get more and more. Elaborate nice.
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Like a Lon you've succeeded. This is the Doctor Who
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commentary podcast. My name is Mark and I'm joined
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by Luke Malloy. Say hello.
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Hello. How are you?
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I'm great, because we're going to be watching a really, really
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good episode of Doctor. Hey, you're not being sarcastic.
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No, no, no. Yeah, we can never be too sure.
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You know, that's true. It will quite like, listen,
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don't we? We all this.
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Yeah, I think this is yeah. We all agree on this one so
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that'll be interesting. I think this is in my Top 10 of
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moderns up there. He's certainly my favorite
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Capaldi episode. Yeah, I love them all.
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So yeah yeah. Wow I'll say I prefer things
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like what nothing time dr. Falls are prefer mummy on the
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Orient Express flattop. No I guess not mommy but this
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definitely ranks like it's Totally different from anything
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that's gone before in the new series.
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And that's what about intron of subvert expectations.
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Yeah, this is this is totally silver.
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So you got no idea where the pots gonna go.
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It's amazing. Yeah, I wish I could watch it
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again for the first time. I'm not entirely certain, there
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is a plot actually. You know, I said a series of set
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pieces and some ideas but I couldn't say that there's a
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pretty robust plan. In this one, what the plot is?
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The doctors chance of fun. This life-form, the he's
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theorized, if the always, if they evolved so much to be the
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perfect Hider, how would you find one?
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Which I think is one of the most ingenious ideas Doctor Who's
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ever had genuinely? What's an idea that is?
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Can I just ask? You know, what this is?
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That's what this was about. Yeah, I kind of got it
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explained. Yes.
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Because I didn't know that. Yeah, I know.
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Sort of make your mind up if there is something there or not.
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That's yeah, that's what I really like about it.
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It's like I can't think of any other story that has that where
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it's like you can sort of interpret it so much.
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Yeah, this to excuses for everything isn't the yeah it's a
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kid under the blanket. Or is it a Monster?
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Yeah, well the thing I love do is the thing that disappoints me
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so much about horror movies is there's often a lot of suspense
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in the build-up of what is the Menace of this movie.
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And then Huge fucking disappointment.
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When you get to the climax, I don't know, but I'm sure pull
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one out of a hat. It when it's that giant spider
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creature and you know, what is this now?
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And they're all the suspense is gone out the room, where is
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this? It never asks, does it never
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answers what's under or some top of the bed and never answers was
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banging on the door and that's scary.
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Yeah. As you think it's there's only
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one but I don't like about this towards the end.
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Good just the barn bit. Okay, with not, we'll get, we'll
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get there but that might be the only bit that I'm not so high.
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It's all part of Steven Moffat obsession with making Clara
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Oswald, the most important person in all of Doctor Who.
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But the thing about being scary, just go back a second is that
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it's an idea that genuinely could be real, and I don't think
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dogs a does that very often. They side this idea that like
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things evolved to be the perfect ending to the perfect thing.
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It so, why not the perfect hide? It's genuinely like a Sound
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scientific idea to the point where it could.
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It's not just fiction in a way it's like, yeah, they could they
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could be something under the bed.
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Also, do you think this this leans into Peter Capaldi's
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strengths as an actor because and I do think he'd get it
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eventually gets the Comedy Bang on you.
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And I were saying, well, we're from husband's of River Song and
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the return of doctor Mysterio. And then in this last season, I
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think the comedy really, really well.
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So be all good in his first two seasons.
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When he's fighting Robin Hood with a spoon of things like
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that, there is a specially, he just is a fails to get the
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balance quite a lot in Athens across like a knob.
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Well he's a moody fucker, is there is a and in this episode
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he gets to be brooding and menacing.
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It's like with semester McCoy when he gets to play that it
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absolutely brings the best out of him but it's Comedy Works in
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this episode. He has some zing in line.
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Why'd you are three movies funny, just turn your head, its
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body. In favorite line ever?
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Yeah, that image of him. Atop The Tardis from the
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beginning and then the camera sort of zoom in around that
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beautiful Tardis console candles about use.
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It, just sticks in the head, doesn't it?
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Well, yeah, we should. We should we start, we should
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lose not, we should decide this. Yeah, I should have stopped this
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whole episode with listen. Okay, I'll come down from 3. 3 2
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1 go. Yeah, this opening there, it's
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really good material for the equality.
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This is worth, like, in this series.
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This was the first episode where I really saw him as the doctor.
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And finally, it took me a bit of time because like deep breath
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into the Dalek, I wasn't a fan of robot of Sherwood, okay?
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And then this is where I really started to enjoy.
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Yeah, absolutely. Agree with you.
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Well, I think he's on a bit of a run after this, because I think
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he's super fun in time high. Heist and he's brilliant in,
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Kill the moon, he's brilliant in mummy, Flatline Darkness, I
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think of killed and then the steps out the
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Tardis and goes who fights the monsters.
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I was like yeah he is the doctor.
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Did you see that transition from sings there, where the fish came
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across the screen now when Douglas MacKinnon who directs
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this episode brilliantly directed, Good Omens, he was
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doing a lot of that. I think Doctor Who was he is
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testing ground because he started with sontaran stratagem
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and poison sky and those were very humble beginnings of all my
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say, by the time he gets here, he notice light it.
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He knows how to shoot it. Yeah, he is a director Doctor
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Who is basically been his his education.
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This is a beautifully directed episodes.
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Hmm. I think the lion does a lot of
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the work, you know. Yeah.
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I probably agree with you actually.
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And we've got our first sort of clue beer with the chalk.
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Moving on its own or doesn't what they just forget that get
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that was creepy, I did. He just forget that's all we
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three people out as they're watching this.
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What you do so good? No, I made that comment of the
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Davis, goes out to me, to write, good television, whereas Moffat,
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goes out to write good Doctor Who and This is were like Moffat
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10. It, it looks for me, it's better
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than Russell today. Is it his best right?
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Invest television, is my favorite and best doctor here
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because you're mad. No, no, because this is just
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pushing up to two new areas. It's so unique.
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It's so experimental, it just demands that you go back and
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re-watch it so much. You can get more out of every
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time you watch it. And it already this opening,
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it's an unusual book to Tori, just with that bit with the
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doctor on his own. This monologue, I don't disagree
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with what you're saying but I peek television is jacket
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arabiya. Menaced by a Christmas tree, it
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is in its own, right? Okay, so this is super fun with
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glass with the interminably boring, Danny pink?
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Or I say the extremely fuckable. Danny pink.
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Beautiful. Yeah, I was gonna say what does
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she see it in but you've just say really answer the question.
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He's got caramel skin and a lovely beard.
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I mean one more journalists and he's a soldier if you forgot
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Jesus Christ, he is a Dullard and he, but we're going to just
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sort of I met him in this series so far, so we don't really know
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where it's going. At this point, you don't really
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know where it's going to go. It's the rock.
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The Clara has to do the work in the date.
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That's what surprises me like the Clara.
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It looks gorgeous and is safe it and she's doing the work.
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He's wearing a pink shirt. That's a bit literal.
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When it is thing, isn't it? Is that the it's like the
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part-time companion. They want to have their lives
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and they want to travel in the Tardis so this sort of
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transition from Adventures in the Tardis to being on the day.
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After that was a trailer what it and I think it does the trailer
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when they showed her like in the midst of Adventures and then I
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know it's the caretaker at the beginning.
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Yeah, going in. I've represented, sorry, but
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this, this is done better than in Time of the Doctor with the
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Christmas turkey in and out the room and stuff, don't give, it's
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the same kind of thing, isn't it?
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But this is done. I think this is done quite well.
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Yeah, I do as well. It's a good sort of central
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location to just hang the episode around.
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She had these weird things, but keeps going back to the funny
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day. Now, let's say something pretty
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controversial now because I've not made it a secret that I find
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Clara Oswald to be one of the drivers.
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His companions as you think her Arc in series 8 that speak Laura
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like she really works and seriously as she's getting to
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know Capaldi and I've not so much the Danny pink, right?
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It's very weird. And the caretaker, when they're
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all squabbling and it becomes this crazy.
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Weird toxic. I hate, I hate the caretaker,
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but she's brilliant in this whole season.
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I feel like she's finally grasp hold of a character after
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serious 7B and she's running. With it.
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Yeah, well along, yeah. It did purposely didn't give him
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much of a character 7B because they had to do the mystery at
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the same time. I think all the best bits of
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Clara commentary date. Definitely, you get the argument
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of the end of Kill the moon, and you get the moments in here with
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the day in under the bed. She just has so many good Mo.
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You got the volcano scene, I think other volcanoes, these
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amazing our, the best scene is is that being the Tardis where
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after she's betrayed him, When he says, do you think I'll still
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wouldn't help you out even though you betrayed?
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Yeah. Oh that's a lie.
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This is comedy gold. What someone needs to explain,
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explain. Anything in this is he is
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suffering from PTSD, isn't it from being in the Army?
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So other people like, the car is always going on about his army
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Express. Well, I'll tell you what go and
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spend a bit of time in Afghanistan, and then, come back
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to me. All right.
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Yeah, I think it's just the fact of that is his character.
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There's nothing more to him than a him.
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Just saying, I love you. I was in the Army.
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Yeah, but then it picks the doctor.
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When it's like anti Soldier is really.
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Yeah, because you have the answers, I'll just drop it into
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the Dalek, don't ya? It's a bit.
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And then it's such a huge to link to this.
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Yeah. But where does that go?
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If I missed that, we are it's perfectly.
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So he has an issue with Danny pink.
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Yeah. But it's because he was a
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soldier in the time. I think that's the idea.
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Is he kind of hates himself? It's not really explicitly
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stated, I think. Yeah.
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I think I do. Yeah, I need that.
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I'm sorry, something's up. I like how he's just so
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ruthlessly ignorant to the fact Clarence, just fucked up a date,
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he just doesn't think I've got history, we need to go test it.
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The payoff is later when she tries to go the day together.
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The fucking spacesuit, won't ya pay my own Gods.
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But that's the point where you really have no idea what we're
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this. Episode's going.
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It's pretty, just its release wherever creepy in this
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orphanage. I mean, I always figured these
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places were a bit scary but yeah, I love the fact that's an
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old woman. That just the fact that this
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dream happens to everyone, a different tires and everyone is
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still scared of the monster under the bed.
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I think the very simple shooting in a minute of the thing on the
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bed, with the blanket, over his head and the light coming
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through the window. It's just so well crafted that
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direction, I remember seeing it in the trailer, thinking the
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Pyrrha files were back. That's such a, what the hell
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would you do if you got out of bed and someone grabbed your
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foot like that? I don't know.
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He's just screaming your some feel like I mean, I've never had
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think I love when I see it's a great thing to use as a basis
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for the story. What he looks like.
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Yeah yeah it'll do chateaus it will do statues.
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Yeah it'll do gas Mark children because we've all had nightmares
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about those apparently. Yeah.
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Like my forgets his thing about yeah he does things like you
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can't look at them. You can't think of them like
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that's his MO. And that's very jealous idea
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from, but Russell T Davies just does animals.
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It does cat. See those rhinos?
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You just pretend to me those people in waters of Mars without
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horrible, blistered mouths. Scared me for weeks.
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They are incredibly good. Yeah, so we got to Clara putting
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her fingers in the telegraphic thing.
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We needs. I'm glad Yeah.
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Yeah. The same alphabet but I'm glad
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we see what it does because it is always a bit in the Tardis.
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They thought. What's that foot was a no
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buttons that we do. You know what?
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This could sit episode could be a scary as it wants to be but
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nothing will be more chilling than won't pick up all these
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Smiles. I smile is so exciting.
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It's really creepy. You're not pitting under the
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lake. Is that the first part?
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Yeah I like that bit where he comes out at the end and he's
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like a skeleton. Come In out and see, I can tell
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the difference, but I think this is his Series.
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This is like his Heaven Senate this year, isn't it?
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Yeah. His piece of sort of our house
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experimental Doctor Who, and this is him, like I said to you,
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where you can just write a script is not starting the
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season is not ending a season, he should tell him.
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The story was quite as like a budget-friendly one as well as
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not. Yeah.
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Massive set pieces. Few characters it working out.
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It's really well. But they're like the best ones
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every time. I don't know, you know, you
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know, okay, yeah. I got a friend called Kate,
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right? Yeah.
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She never was doctor and her life.
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She just so happen to be come around on a Saturday when this
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episode was last, okay. I'm sorry.
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Well, I've been up. I've got washed up to at 7:00,
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what's this? Episode were met, right?
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Yeah, I'll give some context. She usually watches love Island.
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All right? Okay.
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All right. Okay, I love Of you if you
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listen to this. But that is, as intelligent as
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your television watching, gets what she wants this and that the
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ancient world a fuck was that one about the time where it was
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on a bit later on a Saturday. Yeah, series and later and later
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and we got later date but I'm more me on the always express
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came out. It was like 8:35.
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It went. Yeah, that was when I started
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not watching live as much and still catching up, maybe.
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You are the reason for coming down.
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I remember it because I just started using it.
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I started using the week time. I just went out and we went out
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on the Saturday night that caretaker cave.
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Oh, and I've got it at six in the morning, absolutely
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hammered. So I gotta watch the caretaker,
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oh my God, what I regret that was we had just gone to bed, you
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know, we're even though at the time, even I did like this, I'm
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Taco reviews. I gave this one.
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A I was still this first half of the season.
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I was still like I'm not okay. Hated 7B for the most and I was
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still sort of a bit on the fence.
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It wasn't until Flatline. I remember, watching Flatline
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and I declared a doctor who has been saved, you know, in a very
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dramatic way. I'd say the agree Flatline was
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the one with felt like, okay, but this doctor is good choice.
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We're gonna go back to good things.
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Also carrot. Now, I've lost track, oh,
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there's a great guy Gear with the coffee cup because this is
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talking about how people don't you don't keep an eye on your
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coffee, things might take and implying.
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It's going to be the hidden creature, and then in a second,
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you just see the doctor sipping from it.
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Joe? What you've caught a lot of
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details that I've missed we watch listen on your own solely
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focused and it's absolutely brilliant.
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You have been using the online randomizer recently, and
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unfortunately is a cruel Beast as I met you earlier, because
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you can get gems, like, listen. And then that's followed up with
19:48
stuff, like Time of the Doctor, to Greater the, so, it was the
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long game doctor's wife. Yeah.
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Oh yeah, the long game. Yeah, I do mind actually.
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Yeah, the thing underneath the blanket that we get to see, Have
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you looked up? I was reading earlier if you
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seen this flu, fiery afterwards. Never heard of it, though.
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Your story written, by Steven Moffat, in the 2007 story perk,
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where there's a creature, called a floof, which it sort of keeps
20:26
itself out of sight like this dangerous creature that you
20:28
can't see. So it's about this guy and it's
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site and there's a theory that this thing is a floof and it
20:36
looks like and Short of old man's of Roswell alien the old
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man thing. It's a really scary picture.
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I thought it that's it. It's a kids book as an
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illustration, but it's really scary picture.
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It sounds like the Dolby doctor. Yeah.
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Yeah. It's like yeah it's like that
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kind of thing. Okay.
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So the theory is that it could be smooth underneath that thing
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that you don't really see so maybe it makes sense.
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So, but that picture is freaky. Let's go find it now.
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But yeah, well I'll put this out when I put blinker that was a
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store in the storybook. Core annual or something.
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So, might be so recycling ideas. Well, I think Moffat like Rusty
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Davis is, well, aware of looking at the sort of spin-off stuff,
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like the lodger was a comic strip, was the blink was a Sally
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Sparrow was from the storybook, obviously, human nature.
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Family of blood was human agent, the book Jubilee became a
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garlic, Shakespeare code of comic strip.
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What's a ninth, dr. Patel's, human elements, Yeah.
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Anyway, so I have every podcast today.
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We preference the Shakespeare go.
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Yeah, obsessed. Well, the bloodtide, but I do
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finger. That's incredible World up.
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She's looking under the bed now. That doesn't sound crabber.
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Now, now it's on top of the bed. Yeah, it's this.
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This is so good. They get under it and then the
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bed just ever so slightly. I might do this now, you know,
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just Just wait on top of the page with the blanket.
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Over me. It, you floof.
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If you saw the first time, someone's called me that, you
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know, what you did, I think you, you really call it like that
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because I think in children's literature and things like that,
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I often say about dogs, who was his bit too scary for kids,
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Ashley. Some of those kids Tales Grimm's
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tales and Roald Dahl books. Yeah.
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My fucking chilling. I think they put doctor in the
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shade. Never mind.
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Share is Jack's trying to you know, right Perry.
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Have you read the tweets? I don't see the connection
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between the Danny pink child and Danny pink adult.
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They don't particularly feel like the same person I said well
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it's an implication in this the the the older Delhi.
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Pink layer is a descendant of Danny and Clark know that
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awesome pink. Yes.
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But this this kid is honey. This is supposed to be.
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Yeah. Younger Danny but I don't have
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kids. Yeah it doesn't really make
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sense that at all. Yeah well it's yeah.
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But this time time can be Rewritten that is dead.
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Less than its keep my way such a scary.
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Image Halloween, you are. You could just stand in the
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doorway with a blanket over your head and scare the life out of
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Kitty wigs Kenya. I've always terrifying.
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Yeah. It's and it's just how it's lit.
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As my God. Liz that shot.
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Yeah. That sure it's snakes up.
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Yeah. Oh no, these are written the
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story book. Can you find?
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Wally is fantastic. There is nowhere in this book.
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It seems, last time I went to Victoria Station, remark are
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said she will play. Where's Wally?
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I'll go down on to Concours and disguise myself amongst the
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people. You can up those stairs and try
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and find me. He didn't want to play weirdly
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even though it's a gag is the matter.
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The trying to find a hidden person.
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That's fine. Wally.
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Oh my God. Jeez.
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You're giving the most intelligent raging like this
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because it's quite dark or it feels dark.
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There's so many funny lines in it and most of them do come from
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Capaldi picking on Clara looking ugly, even though she looks so
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hot. You're talking to the wrong
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crowd. Are I know.
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I know. But I do think I do think this
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is moffatt's darkest season. Oh God.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. If it feels like he was in a bad
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place where he's right? Yeah, that's it.
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If you want, I love it for that though.
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I love bits of it. And that's the thing.
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It's so mismatched the bits that work, our amazing.
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And the bits that don't just, I roll it.
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Yeah, it was a bit of a weird judgment to have everyone climb
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out of their graves turned into sidemen and then all blow up at
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the end. I mean I was yeah decision and
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you know, kill the moon, might have a good argument the end but
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the doctor just pissing off. It's a really what he does.
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It's not funny pig, then I kids. Yeah.
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It's, you know, people and often makes the point that Moffat has
25:44
this thing about the doctor meeting, young girls, like Amy
25:48
Pond, and Renee prepubescent stage, and then skips forward in
25:52
time to a point where he can appropriately have sex with
25:55
them. Well, what he's done here is the
25:58
reverse. Yeah, she's met.
26:02
Danny Pink as an adult where she can have sex with him and now
26:04
his has a child. Well, I don't want to watch
26:06
that. Thanks.
26:07
Very much. Sorry, I'll be the say shake, it
26:11
does a guy like his doctors to work well around children's
26:14
identity. You know what the scenes with
26:16
children? Usually very good about him
26:19
apart from the rest of the night.
26:21
Yeah, part from you and Angelina, isn't any more any
26:34
more children? This is great.
26:36
When the when it comes off and you just On make out what it is.
26:42
It's the flu. We have a structure of this
26:52
episode is so different, isn't it?
26:54
Because we is quite as such a long scene, but the tension, but
26:58
you don't like it. It's not a problem or it's just
27:02
like a really. It's like a ghost story, isn't
27:04
it? It's like a really Yeah, the
27:07
amount of times you sit down to watch Doctor Who and you know
27:10
exactly which structure you're going to follow, okay.
27:18
I'll keep trying. Sorry.
27:23
Yeah. Like I don't think I've ever
27:25
particularly watched anything like this where it just is just
27:29
going in One Direction but that's weird.
27:33
And strange just snakes its way there.
27:36
And just Clara doesn't realize, this is Danny yet.
27:39
Oh does she. She doesn't really 100% know
27:42
until then. So does she straight away?
27:47
Yeah. Because she recognized the wave
27:48
at the window. All right.
27:50
Okay. Even though it looked nothing,
27:52
like how deep it is the kids. Sorry, I've been put up a
28:03
picture of a cat this time. Google can be very literal
28:07
sometimes, you know, Oh, Jesus Christ.
28:12
I think it's story about that a couple D know.
28:17
That genuinely is what it looks like in that blood but in the
28:20
background, when the towel comes off the head, that's what it is.
28:23
Then yeah. I'll totally buy into everybody.
28:26
Google the floof now you got the flu.
28:29
In fact I'm going to do a Toby hey doke and anyone who's got an
28:32
Alexa, Alexa, the floof. Oh, no.
28:36
Wait. She's an oral thing and she, you
28:38
know, she can. I just make a point and say
28:55
about how absolutely gorgeous that Tardis console is of couple
28:59
weeks, look at it? The levels in this so use that
29:11
more than others. Don't they you actually see
29:14
better how big when it's two shot, right?
29:16
From the back there you know which one's my favorite a.
29:19
Yeah I dread to think on Matt Smith's first.
29:23
Well that is the hardest that is lounge Lounge.
29:35
Airport lounge. Now at the time the sort of
29:39
coral should seems really fresh and new but now it's just looks
29:43
awful, doesn't it a tale of that Tardis?
29:47
That was straight and there we go.
29:49
She's back on her. Yeah, it's done the head.
29:51
Smash this goes, is that is that what I look like from the back?
29:55
And then the Ducks just goes, it's fine.
29:59
Have any of you had a date or this was gone?
30:01
Spectacularly wrong. No, I'm not a prick like Daddy
30:05
Pig though. Oh I'm a total prick.
30:07
So I've had a few, not surprising brood.
30:14
Oh look a car and a she's dressed to kill.
30:17
Is this the bit with a Spaceman comes early?
30:19
I love this. When I first saw this, I thought
30:21
that was going to be the doctor. Yeah, that's what it was going
30:24
to be Clara. Is it Laura?
30:27
No. No.
30:27
Who is this? Awesome.
30:31
I don't because it's a cool image and it makes a good Mo.
30:33
Nobody is because it's funny. Yeah, the I'm going to try and
30:37
be intellectual now for a second now Doctor Who is the
30:39
juxtaposition of the extraordinary and the ordinary
30:43
100%? Yeah well this absolutely
30:46
encapsulates that doesn't it? Yeah.
30:49
Although right back through the kitchen nobody like else.
30:53
No, hello about. It'll that makes it fun.
30:56
I've never seen you on the back foot so much to ever like You
31:01
usually just know every intricate tiny detail this, you
31:05
just see a bit on the back foot about listen, well, I mean,
31:08
obviously you've examined in some depth so I shall give the
31:11
stage to, you know, it's just weird.
31:15
I don't know. I don't know too much about
31:16
this. What?
31:17
I mean I've watched it a few times but I haven't watched it
31:18
over and over. Yeah honest I could probably do
31:22
like flatliner. Mummy stories like that.
31:24
I've seen him Lowe's or times. This is a bit leash.
31:28
It's a bit like it's 10. The ones I'll go to when I'm in
31:31
the mood but when you're in the mood for labyrinthine I always
31:35
used to put this one on all the second.
31:37
I would go for this one more than.
31:40
Yeah, yeah I've enjoyed. I'm enjoying seeing all these
31:43
layers coming from your mouse in the pair of you, you get better?
31:54
Yeah. You know that space matter comes
31:57
in the restaurant. Yeah.
31:59
We're not talking about sets, your ankle moves in a
32:02
restaurant. Honest to God, right?
32:04
We're in this bar. Yeah, I haven't food and this
32:07
bloody robot ways are my God. Boomed out to deliver food to a
32:12
table? It was like a, it was like
32:14
that's so cool. Robot a little smiley face.
32:17
It had Burger and chips on this little plate thing and then just
32:21
some top, it all off a human brought out food to us.
32:23
I'll start excuse me. That's so cool.
32:27
It was too busy for the robots, get for everyone.
32:29
Yeah, timing. That's what we've got our own
32:31
episode of listen. You know.
32:35
Funny enough. Awesome pink jumped out of the
32:37
robot as well. Yeah.
32:39
So yeah. So the implication is that he's
32:42
a descendant. Like this is the most
32:46
unrealistic bit. Is that Danny?
32:48
Pink will be having a go at her on a first date.
32:52
I just any money in that situation just won't be doing
32:55
that. You just take any shit she'd be
32:58
saying. Yeah.
32:59
You dress like that you would I know sorry you make a really
33:04
good point about Orson Pig. He's a descendant.
33:08
Yeah. So she so the implication is
33:10
that they get together. And if it doesn't happen, does
33:15
it know it's late but it clever way of using the actor again,
33:18
you know? Yeah, it's never specifically
33:22
it's not certainly says. I think they keep it vague
33:25
enough. But yeah, I wouldn't know how it
33:28
is. He's fucking Mafia this, right?
33:32
So we're absolutely convinced. Yes.
33:34
A doctor because the doctor that off.
33:38
Yeah. What a surprise looks like Danny
33:41
again. Yeah.
33:41
And it. This episode has consistently
33:43
wrong foot in. You don't know where it's going.
33:45
You don't know what it's about but it's so entertaining.
33:48
This is the Danny has pink of all the episodes.
33:52
Yeah, this is his best episode by a million miles because at
33:57
least he's playing sufferable, I think he's very good in dark
34:00
water as well. Oh, that whole thing about her,
34:04
taking the making the phone call and he dies on the phone call.
34:08
I mean that's true. Yeah that's the best.
34:10
Be well he's not well if he'd only pink isn't in this that
34:16
much is awesome. Do you remember in last
34:19
Christmas when he's wearing that Santa costume is He's got
34:22
nothing on under the guise. Is best appearance.
34:25
I think I actually I think yeah. Last Christmas is his best
34:30
performance but I don't like it. No, not fun of that one.
34:33
So good, so good. Mark Leslie.
34:37
Well reconvene for that one and I'll tell you why you're wrong
34:40
because every Christmas is last Christmas Lana.
34:47
And that the fucking nervy, as at the end of that, where she's
34:50
written down all the films. The influence that the episode.
34:54
You got some bloody nerve Mafia other.
34:56
Yeah, that's a nice touch. Now, this is midnight As Told in
35:00
five minutes. It's me.
35:03
Yeah, pretty much they're knocking on the door.
35:05
Yeah. Have you heard Captain Jack
35:10
volume 3 with river and Captain Jack?
35:15
No, it's called orangey a and I'm not a huge fan of it and it
35:21
goes jumps about all over the place.
35:23
But there's one scene where referring Captain Jack a pissing
35:25
about on a planet at the end of time and knock on the door to
35:29
mess about with the person who lives in there and it's it's
35:32
implied that it's this. Oh no.
35:39
Who the hell wrote that script? Come on.
35:45
It's all. It's all tongue-in-cheek and it
35:47
ties into those different Doctor Who slows.
35:49
Oh, do today. Employees are lots of different
35:52
things. Yeah.
35:53
And it implies that well, actually know, the whole story
35:56
is the fact they're like River and Captain jacket actually in
35:58
love and not river with the dog, which is just not opening the
36:04
universe. There was no camera big enough
36:06
for those who he goes to be in it at the same time.
36:08
No, that's true. But yeah, so that's always there
36:12
in the background that I watch this.
36:13
This and this is pissing around the outside.
36:17
I think it's worth noting that so far this season, we've had
36:22
what deep breath, which was obviously the big hot
36:24
introductory story. Then we had a bit of a almost
36:28
like a psychological Thriller with it.
36:30
Into the Dalek going, the Lou, there's a lot of discussion
36:33
about hey, and then you had a very light comedy.
36:38
Then you have this, which is weird as a Beard.
36:41
Then you get time highest which is like hustle in space.
36:44
They're really going all. Oh I love this about Doctor Who
36:47
I love it when it's like the genres are all over the place so
36:51
really hitting the variation at the more variation.
36:53
The better Doctor Who is generally unfortunately there is
36:56
a variation in the quality of the episode indeed which is a
37:00
change. But I think it's even more of a
37:04
problem in no idea because I think nine feels a bit samey.
37:09
Yeah, well, it's a bit, of course, the two parties that
37:12
kill nine. Really, it's just people that
37:15
absolutely love it, you know, declare knowing one of the best
37:19
seats. I think, I think it really
37:24
suffers a lull between the woman who lived face the raven, like
37:28
them for five episodes. Back to the bar, the zygon
37:31
two-parter in the seat. No.
37:33
More in formerly lived at they just all not great.
37:36
Yeah, I definitely wasn't watching live then by that
37:39
point, definitely not well. Oh, well, you've you having a
37:49
life that's just like I was like, oh it'll be it'll be on
37:53
iPlayer for you really should know what's here.
37:55
I wasn't like, I have to watch on the nie.
37:58
It definitely Style with a new series coming out.
38:00
No, then I went back to it. I don't know.
38:02
It just It's just around that time.
38:04
I was like super, a lot of people did this tonight, I
38:07
missed a few. Yeah, I don't know.
38:10
I'm purpose just missed a few. I couldn't get self-loathing
38:14
phase even though I didn't like it, I'll still watched it live.
38:17
That's had so much bills of about having sent before have a
38:20
set went out and couldn't watch it.
38:22
Cause Rachel's sister was up in Leeds.
38:24
So we didn't get around to watch this about 2:30 in the morning
38:28
and it was one of the best fucking experiences like been
38:32
waiting. Ignore my phone all night
38:34
watching it sat in bed, all on my own just write our Michael.
38:37
What an experience that one. It's a weird one because I'll
38:41
acknowledge that Heaven Sent is one of the best written and made
38:45
Doctor. Who stories ever?
38:46
I never re-watch it. Oh, I know.
38:48
What's that one up quite a bit? I watch it all the time.
38:51
Absolutely. Have to be absolutely be in the
38:53
mood for that one. Now watch it all the time.
38:59
Whereas, you know, love and monsters, and the rings of
39:02
akhaten a time, I watch them all the time.
39:23
You know, what would be the most agonizing experience for Mark?
39:27
The power of us right now, sign the long song, right?
39:42
Okay. Clara It took me awhile to warm
39:48
to her. I sort of accepted her as a
39:51
companion, maybe Dave, the doctor.
39:53
Well that's five rain in like those questions but yeah, I
39:57
don't know. I just took a bit of time
39:59
because of the difference of characters that you saw her at
40:05
the beginning and then yeah I think by series 9 I think she
40:11
should have gone in last Christmas.
40:13
And then we should have, she should have moved on, she
40:17
outstayed our welcome, but this point she's great.
40:21
They didn't like nany Poppins Clara, I thought it just took me
40:28
a while to, I just didn't you just didn't even know who she
40:31
was, especially in bells of Saint.
40:32
John's, especially very boring. I was just like, I like you're a
40:36
bit more in time, really? I think it's tight as since
40:39
she's left. I've liked a bit more and it's
40:42
probably because I was so scared of her fucking up the cannon at
40:44
the time, because it really masses, and she concedes get
40:48
filled up. So, without dude, some food to
40:50
the cathode. Yeah, she was just too.
40:53
Yeah, she just had too much either, but they're not by like,
40:57
At lines, I love employee. Will you laughter?
40:58
Hi Wade and in hide. Yeah, yeah but it just took a
41:03
bit of time but I love the way that I think neither one of you
41:07
is going to agree with me on that.
41:09
I think the best Capaldi Coleman episode in terms of their
41:13
chemistry, is the first a shorter episode.
41:19
Just I know there you go watch them in there, so that's fun,
41:23
funny bits, but it's not is on point.
41:29
That's I just sex agree. What a surprise.
41:48
Good. It is.
41:50
So if I do, the worst moment is awesome.
41:53
Here in death in heaven, where she goes.
41:55
I'm the doctor and I was like, please no, no, don't tell me.
41:58
We're going here and they had a face in the credits.
42:01
I was like, oh my God, just a very weird bit of doctor.
42:05
Hey, that isn't it really? When you think back to it very
42:08
straight, what was weird is that cyber brick?
42:13
Yeah, I do sort of agree, like, it would have been really good
42:18
for us to the even last Christmas but that he loved that
42:21
joyous end until after Christmas.
42:23
Were they getting a second chance to get the universe good?
42:26
And you wouldn't get entirely, you wouldn't get the heaven-sent
42:31
without car, either you don't get it.
42:33
But I think her exes are the law of diminishing returns because I
42:38
think calm face the Raven we were Have to wait ten agonizing
42:43
minutes of her standing around waiting to die.
42:46
I will you just get on with it already.
42:47
This is worse than end of time. Yeah, I think face Raven would
42:51
have been a good. I don't think it was a been a
42:53
good way to end, but I don't think they should have done it
42:56
in the first place. Going off, having a lesbian
43:00
affair with her shoulder and that Dino probably I'd say
43:02
twice. As though, people think it's
43:04
smoking that week. The thing that ruins Face Unlock
43:07
poster over what ruins is knowing that Clara doesn't die.
43:11
Face the Raven. You are wishing no, because it's
43:14
that moment where she's built up throughout.
43:16
She's like acting like the doctor, she's getting more and
43:19
more confident. She's right up there and she's
43:20
like, right, well, we can fix it and then suddenly she can't.
43:23
And that's a damn. Well, I just don't like it.
43:25
I think a character as big as close as she get killed by a
43:28
crow and anything that I think he cuts that point and then
43:34
she's not and she's I don't think companions should die.
43:38
Well, it's like Bill Gates have that massive old blow dinner.
43:41
The most likeable this is so good.
43:52
Do as you are told, was that your Scottish accent?
43:56
Oh, it's me attempt. Yeah, you don't know what you
43:59
see, is there something there or not?
44:04
That whole sequence, I with the banging.
44:06
It's I think it's so unsettling. That's it.
44:09
Because it's all silence. Isn't a apart from the Yeah, it
44:12
seems like usik is there a creature out there or is it just
44:16
the pipes? And there's always that second
44:18
answer? Yeah.
44:20
So I think, I think so. Now, I've got the real.
44:23
It's the flu. It's everybody.
44:27
Go Google the tenth episode of the Storyteller, the soldier and
44:36
death. Mmm.
44:37
Yeah, that beta with a massive eyes.
44:39
Yes. Terrifying.
44:43
But there are some things in the depths of people's minds that
44:48
why they have to make it onto the TV.
44:50
That's so I don't worry about to get them out, but because when
44:55
series 8 just before it went out, the first five episodes got
44:57
leaked in the online, all of this chamber, this, oh, yeah,
45:02
the first five full episodes got leaked in, like, black-and-white
45:06
online. So people could watch the.
45:08
And I remember people talking about the On scene.
45:12
I didn't know what it was. I just knew the barn scene was a
45:15
big thing as so when they landed in a barn I was really excited
45:21
and I do really like to see although interestingly enough
45:24
this is Capaldi's third multi doctor story in Five Guys
45:29
because if I'd say the doctor deep breath and I people would
45:32
say that don't quite trust him as the doctor and if you count
45:36
fires of Pompeii, it's just for thin 6.
45:42
I don't know if they needed to have the barn.
45:43
See I don't know if they needed to go there as I said it's so
45:47
it's so weird and so twisty don't know where it's going.
45:51
It makes sense to do something, just weird and it needs to end
45:54
in a sort of a grandiose way but do something totally weird.
45:59
Don't want to come back and see the doc scenario?
46:01
That's what. Yeah, that's what I have.
46:03
Brought you a really nice to have.
46:07
Someone say all fear makes Companions of all of us which is
46:10
exactly. He says in an unearthly child.
46:13
So it's an early child has been influenced by Clara of yes.
46:17
This is where it's just too much.
46:19
No, it's absolutely. It's a beautiful responsible for
46:22
picking out the tarbush. He's rushed for saving all those
46:25
different. It's just too much.
46:27
It's a beautiful and sequence. When she's when she's telling
46:32
him that that and the whole thing was that he was he was
46:35
going after like what's hidden out there and what the hidden
46:38
creatures. And it's like it doesn't matter
46:41
as long. Long as you're scared of it and,
46:42
you know, it's okay to be scared that that is like the theme of
46:46
the episode and it's just done within this beautiful little n
46:50
sequence its, but maybe on its own, but there's so much of this
46:58
with Clara and given her pivotal moments in the doctors, like and
47:01
it's like, my feet. Just can't leave it alone, you
47:03
might as well. I'm gonna make this companion.
47:06
The most important companion. Well, you you do that.
47:09
Well done, she's still fucking boring.
47:11
Yeah, but if you think even soul, if you take the other
47:14
stories out of it because at the end of the day, when you sit
47:16
down to watch, listen you're not.
47:18
I'm not particularly thinking of all the other effects that Clara
47:21
is hard and I think that's why at the time, it felt really
47:23
annoying because you're like, oh my God, she's so influential.
47:27
If I sit down to watch listen and not think you will see also
47:29
out doing the time warranty also up to do this.
47:32
So, she's just need this thing about Clara Reyes is Jenna
47:36
Coleman is a brilliant actress and I've seen, you know, go on.
47:40
Yeah, she's amazing. We were well, what happened
47:42
here? She's brilliant accident up to
47:45
her, it's no use. But I mean, she's written as a
47:48
different character every other week that's not a fault.
47:51
I think she always gives a really good performance.
47:54
Maybe she's eating well, but the core of nightmare in silver is
47:58
not the color of listen. Yeah, that's that's not her
48:02
fault. No, no.
48:03
I know that but but also you can just you can explain it either.
48:07
I think like the one the cloth at the doctor brought out the
48:10
time stream at the end of the day of the doctor was just
48:13
slightly different to the one he'd been traveling with which
48:15
is why she suddenly a teacher. I do think she's a little
48:19
generic but she's meant to be generic in that series servant
48:24
but they succeeded. Well done.
48:26
Yeah it's she was perfectly meant to be today.
48:29
Are this bit? Says he's never going to make
48:31
it. So I'm Lord God, it's the chills
48:34
I got the time because you smash me young William, Hartnell ones,
48:36
need to complain Kitt. Yes.
48:38
Yeah. You know what happened after
48:39
they don't be anyone thought. Oh, fuck those.
48:42
Have you ever heard of the BBC past doctor Adventures divided
48:45
loyalties and that as written. By Gary Russell featuring The
48:49
Fabulous sequence, Gallifrey 90210, the doctor in the academy
48:54
with brucer and the Rani and the master and the Monk and they're
48:59
all hanging out as teenagers. I think that happened just after
49:01
this bit, okay, what's this, A could of just wrapped it all up?
49:06
The doctor goes out, finds the floof calls it, Susan and on
49:10
Earth. People Who series starting again
49:14
mad about flu shoe and yeah, you know, this bit, which makes
49:17
Clara the monster under the bed. Now, nice, clever long.
49:22
And it's quite a leap to, like, believe in the fact that she was
49:27
actually grab the foot. But for some reason, you just
49:29
believe that she would do that. Well, you know, she's obviously
49:36
got a thing about boys, but shit.
49:42
Cheering Danny Pink as a child. You know what if that were me
49:45
though, I think I just get straight back in the bed.
49:48
Duh, interesting. If you were 14,
50:02
what are you doing? Listen, child.
50:17
I was watching this with Chris because he thought clothes
50:23
underneath everyone's Birds. It's got big spiders and cracki,
50:56
moon egg. okay, off against desperately underwriter that
51:03
episode And they reconvene to do that one, then.
51:09
All right. We have no II think in agree.
51:15
Agree, disagree, or agree. No, that's not what I meant.
51:17
We can disagree, agreeably. Oh, guess this.
51:21
I think this ends in this speech is gorgeous in.
51:23
The whole sequence is done so well again, look at the lighting
51:27
that's shown so. Well, isn't it?
51:28
Yeah, it's one memorable image after another story.
51:32
Yeah. I do like the fact that it's all
51:37
just also ambiguous all of it. Yeah, find out the odd.
51:41
But there is there is there is a point to it.
51:43
Is that it's all right to be afraid that was the message so
51:46
it's not like, it's just empty. Thank God.
51:49
I've been living my last. All right, then I'm terrified
51:52
every time I walk out the door. Why do you seem bring these
51:54
days? The trains.
51:56
Don't run no longer put the heating on, it's terrifying as
51:59
that. Let's see there.
52:00
We've got our little naughty doctor story Oscar No, John her.
52:07
I do like that. They're I like how it links to
52:09
the bomb. I mean I'll just happy to see
52:11
John her whenever but then Center I need to put that in
52:14
saying that you know, casual viewer and that.
52:17
Yeah. Like, what?
52:18
Yes. Yeah.
52:18
But they'll doctor the doctor was quite recently it's not a
52:22
weirdly old called but I do like the fact that I could probably
52:26
do like a hug because I'll test the tenets of Matt Smith for
52:29
all. Like, oh well I'm not fucking
52:31
scene at the end of deaf deafened, which is the best
52:33
beer. Oh, yeah.
52:35
And he says it's just another way to hide your face.
52:37
I cried my eyes out when the first Watch that I was pleased
52:41
to have seen was in it because I hope climax in the graveyard.
52:44
Just left me very cold. I love you.
52:52
I such a lovely ending. Again, I like to go learn about
52:57
the lighting below. Basically, they're basically lit
52:59
up so you can see as they're always there.
53:01
It's beautiful. You forget how short period
53:04
cloudy and his hair at the beginning.
53:06
Yeah, even if it's basically balls, well, may I say in the
53:11
words of Terrance dicks, are you, you gonna say this, you
53:13
could always tell where you are, Peter Capaldi, theorem my by the
53:19
length of this before, I think, Danny and Florrie For our work
53:26
here, in a way that they don't really were made like ever
53:29
again. Yeah, yeah, totally agree.
53:31
The, you feel like you're on a winner now.
53:33
You're like my God, the show might be back on track.
53:38
Look, unless the soldier without the gun in the bath.
53:41
I just it's brilliant right? Mmm.
53:47
It just it really shows what he can do when he's unhampered by
53:51
Ox it that you know you're talking about it being a
53:55
reaction to what he's done before.
53:56
That is a reaction to the fact that he hasn't been able to do
53:59
anything weird for years and he's finally just being able to
54:02
go mental. And again I think again he gave
54:06
himself heaven-sent, didn't lie to ya.
54:08
Just going to write a great bit of Science Fiction and
54:11
extremists is the same. Like I know it's like you've got
54:15
the main story about the Ation Theory, but it flips between
54:21
that in the Missy thing. Not I want to say that, well,
54:25
but it's structurally weird as well.
54:27
In the same way that these two are you really happy?
54:30
We're not all reaches out and his hand vanishes.
54:34
Yeah, I was there simulations man.
54:36
I'm Anna tells the whole story on his head.
54:38
Oh, Jesus Christ. The caretaker Stark witness to
54:41
0. How is Tommy Wiseau Q, Garnet
54:47
with the thing on his head? I'm sorry, yeah, sorry.
54:52
Oh sorry. Yeah, so yeah.
55:03
Well look, we've reached the end of this unusual.
55:07
Absolutely asked us all now to name three things a piece, we've
55:11
got nine things to get through and we're going to start with
55:15
mr. My Roland's three things.
55:18
No no just one. 10. And then me one and then Loop
55:24
one. Okay.
55:25
I'm going to say, well, I wrote a few things down like to
55:28
describe it and I put it as like a, it's a thoughtful episode is
55:34
and you can make a bit what you, what you will.
55:38
If there's something there, if there's not an I like that.
55:41
He goes ambiguous is the word. I'm going to say that.
55:48
Danny Pink's bomb. Looks very nice and I was the
55:51
fastest I've you I honestly think it's one of the best ideas
55:58
I've seen Doctor Who do a pretty good journey TV show do.
56:01
It's just I don't even know how you think of it.
56:05
I think of that the idea of a creature that's evolved if
56:09
creature evolved to do that and to do this, then why it's not
56:12
one evolved to be hidden. It's just so good and it makes
56:16
it all really It'll just a fascinating idea to watch
56:22
unfold, which ties into the ambiguity bit a bit as well and
56:26
the whole episode is just spooky and fascinating.
56:29
Yeah, you could take out if you took out like the Doctor Who
56:31
element it would make its own ghost stories like by story.
56:35
Yeah. Indefinite you could probably
56:37
build on that and maybe a whole day's that creepy thing.
56:40
Yeah. Yeah.
56:42
Menacing all the kids. What are some other thing is
56:45
that shot of the thing on the bed?
56:48
So about out of focus, what is it?
56:51
Is it the fish another chop? I don't think it's another
56:55
child. That's playing a drink.
56:59
It's quite a stretch to say it's the case.
57:02
It was a very creepy pigs so just skulk away.
57:06
Okay, that's very strange thing for kids to do as well.
57:10
Yeah, I got you something now. Yeah, I'm gonna say Douglas
57:16
MacKinnon this direction. Which I know that's quite a
57:19
quite easy pick, but I want you to remember his first Doctor,
57:22
Who what's the sontaran stratagem and the poison Sky?
57:25
Hey was using those disturbing purple when yellow Jill's
57:29
throughout the entire thing to create a bit of atmosphere and
57:32
failing dismally. And we've got to this point here
57:35
where every single scene is shot and lit with such care like his
57:41
apprenticeship and boy, goes on to do incredible work after
57:45
this. So yeah, the direction Don't
57:48
really remember his name life. He said he was a doctor, he
57:50
director wouldn't have limbo eat a day.
57:53
It is because for most, oh yeah, he's a cold war.
58:01
No, I just haven't remembered is not, I'm not big on husband's by
58:05
think it's directed really well and that sequence worthy the
58:09
flick through the from the spaceship to build the
58:13
restaurant to go to the hospital is is really good.
58:17
It makes It very seamless. Well, I'm sorry doing everything
58:22
from yes, I know it's not the end sequence which beautifully
58:28
ties this story, which looks like it hasn't.
58:32
It's gone. Nowhere or it's just purposely
58:34
empty an ambiguous into a lovely thematic talent.
58:38
And if fear fear bringing people together, fear bringing the best
58:41
out of people and how it doesn't matter to be scared of something
58:46
is really good and I love leap. Of the really experimental
58:50
episode. I'll see you again.
58:54
Three-stall the material, Peter Capaldi is given like that
58:57
opening monologue. All of those moments.
59:01
This is where he really is the doctor preserve.
59:05
I'll say, well then I'm going to say, I wouldn't believe you.
59:10
If you told me that midnight could be condensed down into
59:12
five minutes and that it could be as suspenseful but that whole
59:16
sequence and the Future and weird enough is done with one
59:21
sound effect, the banging, but apart from that apart, from this
59:23
music, and I don't think there's any sound effects at all, and
59:26
it's just done with the acting and that banging.
59:30
It's so creepy that bit and I think it's very easy.
59:35
I said it's a no commentary the other day, it's very easy to
59:37
create atmosphere in the past. I think it's pretty easy to
59:40
create atmosphere in the prison where doctors who often falls
59:44
down is where it starts to create atmosphere again.
59:47
Sure, You can convey visible anyway, you know, and it just
59:51
bums, but boy, a boy, when they get it, right?
59:54
They get it right. And they get this right, mmm,
59:57
Luke, I'll finish with the comma Z.
59:59
Then I think it's not something you instantly think, is it if it
1:00:03
listens not on your instinct is full of Comedy.
1:00:06
But it's I mean we didn't even touch on the when the way it
1:00:09
comes over and says water for the table and Clark, I still
1:00:11
probably dig for it. That's a great Capaldi's.
1:00:16
Got lonely rely on. And it's just great, even the
1:00:27
worst, Wally Bear, That Knocking the kid out to go to see it's
1:00:31
full of really, really funny bits.
1:00:34
And yet, it's such a like, a, quite a serious, and a spooky
1:00:38
story, which is perfect doctor. Isn't it, though, I like to
1:00:41
combine them into something. That is really works.
1:00:45
Together is beautiful Doctor Who Confidant, of course I think so
1:00:51
much because I think come Series 7 of the new series.
1:00:57
You might think, you know what? They've kind of done everything
1:01:01
that everything's variation on The Invasion story of the
1:01:05
history story. You know, the Contemporary story
1:01:08
with the family and and all of that there and this I think is
1:01:11
the shot in the arm that the show needed to show the actually
1:01:15
could still experiment. And Prize you and those who
1:01:19
needs to not mind or about things like that, he needs to do
1:01:22
that Warriors gay every now and again and he's a shot in the arm
1:01:26
of creativity and I think it hits again with flat line this
1:01:30
season. Yeah, I'd say I take the agree
1:01:34
that it's not something I've actually thought about, but that
1:01:37
was probably the reason I lost it so much when it went out
1:01:40
because I've been watching Doctor Who for years, and this
1:01:42
was the first thing that felt so different.
1:01:45
So fresh that for so long. How refreshing after an entire
1:01:49
evening of disagreeing with me - hi.
1:01:53
Well, yeah, more or less. Unless, caretaker the scoldings
1:01:58
Blitzer, their most terrifying force in the Galaxy.
1:02:03
What was? I Robot Ivan?
1:02:05
I thought, I don't deal with Michael.
1:02:06
And so, on, may I ask you before you go, we got a long record and
1:02:13
style will be started at 7:00, is nearly 11:00 Well, we go
1:02:18
next. Oh, I mean that has yet to be
1:02:23
determined so just coming. Well I'll tell you what, choose
1:02:31
a Christmas special. I will choose.
1:02:40
This is great book. Also.
1:02:41
Nice. The Runaway Bride.
1:02:43
Yeah, no was done that. You like it, though.
1:02:46
I'll save it for the podcast. Oh, you bitch.
1:02:51
Well gentlemen, thank you very much.
1:02:53
It's 11:00, it's time for bed. Let's hope there's nothing on
1:02:56
top of it. Hmm, underneath your underneath
1:02:59
or on top, unless it's quiet. That's your personal say.
1:03:03
All right.