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Speaker 1: Peter Krandland live on Sky News Australia.
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Speaker 2: Good evening, Welcome to the program tonight and for the
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Speaker 2: rest of this week. I'm coming to live from London.
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Speaker 2: I'm here for the ARC Conference. It's a global conference.
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Speaker 2: The Britain's together some four thousand thinkers, writers, politicians and
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Speaker 2: advocates to challenge the dominance of the left and elites
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Speaker 2: on our governments, our economies, our big policy challenges like
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Speaker 2: immigration and energy, and most critically of all our cultures.
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Speaker 2: But as important as all that is, we have a
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Speaker 2: federal election, don't we Offing it's imminent, So joining me
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Speaker 2: a bit later in the show to keep us across
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Speaker 2: all the local headlines.
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Speaker 3: Sky News host Steve Price, So let's get into it is.
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Speaker 3: What's coming up tonight on Credline.
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Speaker 2: More bad news for labor they take a dive in
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Speaker 2: the polls, even Labor faithful losing their faith in the
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Speaker 2: Prime Minister. More analysis on what this means, what seats
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Speaker 2: from play and more and the likely rate cut. Let's
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Speaker 2: save their hides tomorrow. Shocking revelations a Jewish people in Wartorn, Israel,
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Speaker 2: according their relatives in Australia, fearing for their safety following
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Speaker 2: our rise in anti Semitism, the side of a business
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Speaker 2: founded by Holocaust survivors the latest target, I might add,
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Speaker 2: what's happening at home is making news all around the world.
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Speaker 3: And this is not what we were in Australia to
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Speaker 3: be known for, is it.
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Speaker 2: Plus huge news on nuclear power front here in the
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Speaker 2: UK the starmer labor government slashing red tape that was
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Speaker 2: holding back the construction a new small modular nuclear reactors.
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Speaker 2: It's getting more nuclear into the system in Britain, and
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Speaker 2: Fast responds trying to bury what's happening here. But Chris
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Speaker 2: Juelman will join me here in London and we'll discuss
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Speaker 2: this real boost to the Darton campaign. And I had
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Speaker 2: the pleasure of returning with Tony Abbott to his old
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Speaker 2: stomping ground of Oxford.
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Speaker 3: I'll show you a bit of that in a moment.
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Speaker 2: But we could also expect a fair bit at ARC
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Speaker 2: over the next few days and I'll take you through
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Speaker 2: that as well.
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Speaker 4: It's going to be I think, a wonderful opportunity to renew, refresh, rediscover.
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Speaker 4: I can remember last time I happened, the first time
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Speaker 4: I cappened here in London a year or so back.
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Speaker 3: It was like.
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Speaker 4: Going to a summer school, a full summer school. Over
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Speaker 4: just three days. You felt totally invigorated by the experience,
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Speaker 4: and I think you felt, I guess, encouraged to go
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Speaker 4: back home and do even better and stronger the things
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Speaker 4: that were necessary.
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Speaker 3: But first, it was bad enough.
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Speaker 2: Last week the two Australian Muslim nurses, one an Afghan
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Speaker 2: refugee now a citizen, the other an Australian born of
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Speaker 2: the Middle Eastern background, should be caught in an online
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Speaker 2: discussion about killing Jews. Well, what's immeasurably worse is that
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Speaker 2: numerous Muslim bodies here in Australia, including supposedly mainstream bodies
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Speaker 2: like the Australian Federation of His Life Councils of Victoria. Well,
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Speaker 2: they eve endorsed a statements saying the two nurses are
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Speaker 2: victims of quote weaponized anti Semitism and quote manufactured political outrage.
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Speaker 2: Our signatories included the group's Muslim Votes Matter and Muslim
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Speaker 2: Vote and they're both campaigning to unseat labor MPs in
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Speaker 2: Western Sydney, plus candidates backed by these groups. Now, as
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Speaker 2: you know, I'm here in Britain, where four MPs were
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Speaker 2: recently elected to Parliament last year, essentially as Gaza candidates
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Speaker 2: in seats with a.
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Speaker 3: Large Muslim population.
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Speaker 2: The problem in Britain, and increasingly in our country too,
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Speaker 2: is that some Muslims don't readily integrate. They certainly don't
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Speaker 2: readily assimilate Western values, especially on the separation of church
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Speaker 2: and state, a quality before the law, and the role
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Speaker 2: of women. The fact that these Muslim groups are now
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Speaker 2: supporting the two sacked nurses shows the scale of the problem,
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Speaker 2: claiming that their comments were and I quote.
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Speaker 3: Never meant to be taken literally.
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Speaker 2: Now, come on, what nurse makes a joke about killing
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Speaker 2: Jewish patients? But how could any Australian, regardless of religion
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Speaker 2: or background, think it perfectly natural to kill people for
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Speaker 2: their faith? After all, new citizens are supposed to pass
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Speaker 2: a citizenship test and to pledge, and I mean it,
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Speaker 2: allegiance to Australia and its people, his democratic beliefs, I share,
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Speaker 2: his rights and liberties I respect, and whose laws I
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Speaker 2: will uphold and obey.
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Speaker 3: That's the pledge.
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Speaker 2: And in what universe can that pledge be consistent with
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Speaker 2: killing any Jews, but especially with killing Jews who are
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Speaker 2: seeking medical attention. Of course, let me repeat, it's quite
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Speaker 2: wrong to discriminate in any way against people on the
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Speaker 2: basis of race or religion. But a country is perfectly
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Speaker 2: entitled to discriminate on the.
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Speaker 3: Basis of values. That's why prospective.
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Speaker 2: New citizens are told they must correctly answer all five
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Speaker 2: of the questions on our Australian values in the citizenship test.
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Speaker 2: Now these are absurdly easy. I put some of them
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Speaker 2: up there on the screen for you. But about a
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Speaker 2: third of our applicants reportedly still fail this test. Now, plainly,
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Speaker 2: this former Afghan refugee either didn't make the pledge in
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Speaker 2: good faith or has later succumbed to it. Death to
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Speaker 2: the Infidel's ideology. That's abhorrent. As I wrote in my
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Speaker 2: Sunday Telegraph column on the weekend, at the very least
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Speaker 2: we need to make Australia's citizenship test must stronger, and
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Speaker 2: to devise ways to probe what people really think. Without
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Speaker 2: a much more rigorous insistence on really joining Team Australia,
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Speaker 2: there can be no such thing as the multicultural harmony
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Speaker 2: that officials have insisted for so long.
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Speaker 3: Is the best thing about us.
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Speaker 2: Because if this is why multi culturalism right now, it's
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Speaker 2: not the best thing about us Now. I'm all in
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Speaker 2: favor of immigration, as I said, but it cannot be
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Speaker 2: immigration that imports foreign hatreds into Australia. Here in London,
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Speaker 2: I caught up with former Deputy Prime Minister John Anderson
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Speaker 2: yesterday and we discussed the whole tipping point about what
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Speaker 2: these nurses have exposed, and he said this.
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Speaker 5: The elephant in the room is that we have a
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Speaker 5: problem with extremist Islamic belief with g Had. It's no
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Speaker 5: use saying it's just about an internal battle. It's not
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Speaker 5: g Had and those who believe in it are simply
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Speaker 5: not committed to the building of peaceful, cohesive societies and
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Speaker 5: we can't avoid it any longer.
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Speaker 2: Last week Peter Darton called for an investigation into how
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Speaker 2: the Afghan refugee managed to get his citizenship.
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Speaker 3: But with a raft of Muslim organizations.
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Speaker 2: Out today supporting the nurse, and recent vox pops showing
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Speaker 2: that at least some people in Western Sydney thought the
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Speaker 2: two health workers were justified, does anyone really think that
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Speaker 2: this is an isolated problem, John Anderson?
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Speaker 3: Again, people want it dealt with leaders politicians to dodge it.
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Speaker 5: John, No, they don't. In fact, I think some leaders
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Speaker 5: who lecture us on the need to not be Islamophobic
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Speaker 5: are displaying Islamophobia in their lack of courage in confronting
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Speaker 5: an issue.
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Speaker 2: More bad use today too for the Albanzi government. The
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Speaker 2: latest news pole shows that only thirty four percent of
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Speaker 2: voters think the alban Ezi government deserves to be re elected,
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Speaker 2: for the fifty three percent think it's time to give.
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Speaker 3: Someone else a go.
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Speaker 2: Remarkably, even twenty two percent of labor voters say they
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Speaker 2: don't think that Albanezi deserves second chance. Now, this is
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Speaker 2: what happens when you maymises you can't keep or you
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Speaker 2: don't keep, like the promise to cut power bills by
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Speaker 2: two hundred and seventy five dollars per household per year,
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Speaker 2: the promise to lift real wages, the promise to make
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Speaker 2: our mortgage payments easier. It's what happens when there's been
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Speaker 2: seven successive quarters of negative growth per person, so a
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Speaker 2: household recession, when productivity is declined to where it was
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Speaker 2: back five years ago, and when our living standards have
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Speaker 2: fallen by close to ten percent on today's figures, Though
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Speaker 2: the coalition's only ahead fifty one to forty nine and
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Speaker 2: two party preferred terms. So the likelihood of a hung
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Speaker 2: Parliament is real, but a Greens or Teal dominated minority
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Speaker 2: would be the sort of diabolical arrangement that we all
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Speaker 2: suffer through in the Gillard Rudd era. For our country's sake. Jeez,
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Speaker 2: we've got to resist that again.
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Speaker 3: Now.
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Speaker 2: Interestingly, analysis of recent election campaigns shows that the Coalition
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Speaker 2: tends to improve more strongly over the Camp pays six weeks,
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Speaker 2: much more than Labor does. Now I suspect there's even
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Speaker 2: a bigger gap when you take into account the Prime Minister.
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Speaker 2: There's a shocking campaigner, something that our labor contact of
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Speaker 2: mindsets remains for them a significant worry and an Achilles heel.
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Speaker 2: So on these numbers can doubt and do it, Yes
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Speaker 2: he can, but the trend has to continue this way
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Speaker 2: for him, and that gap has to keep widening. Now
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Speaker 2: that said would rather be the opposition leader now or
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Speaker 2: the Prime minister, I think that's very obvious. The Prime
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Speaker 2: Minister is indeed in deep trouble. The question is is
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Speaker 2: the alb and easy travel enough to bring down his party?
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Speaker 2: Now on that, my Labor insiders say, we've got some
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Speaker 2: hope but it's fast diminishing. All right, let's got a
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Speaker 2: camper now for the headlines, Skyny's political reporter at cam Reddin.
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Speaker 6: Good evening. The Reserve Bank will convene in Sydney tomorrow
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Speaker 6: for the most anticipated rates decision in years. You have
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Speaker 6: you for a cash rate cut tomorrow?
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Speaker 7: Yeah?
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Speaker 3: Really hoping for one?
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Speaker 5: I hope so?
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Speaker 2: Yeah?
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Speaker 6: Now would help with the cost of living a bit,
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Speaker 6: would It certainly would. On Tuesday, the Reserve Bank is
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Speaker 6: set to deliver its first cut since November twenty twenty,
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Speaker 6: when rates hit a record low of zero point one percent.
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Speaker 1: As an economist, I think they should cut. I do
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Speaker 1: think they will cut tomorrow.
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Speaker 6: The Treasurer managing expectations.
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Speaker 7: We take no outcome for granted this week.
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Speaker 8: I want to bring interest rates down as quickly as possible.
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Speaker 6: The Coalition is narrowly ahead in the latest News poll,
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Speaker 6: but Australia remains on track for a minority government.
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Speaker 9: My job is to focus on the numbers in the economy,
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Speaker 9: not the numbers in the polls.
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Speaker 6: The Coalition shedding one point of its primary vote but
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Speaker 6: still leading fifty one to forty nine on two party preferred,
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Speaker 6: it would likely need to lift that vote even higher
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Speaker 6: to govern in its own right.
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Speaker 10: There is no doubt that a minority government would be
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Speaker 10: the worst possible outcome.
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Speaker 4: Obviously, minority government just by its very nature can be chaotic.
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Speaker 3: I don't think he'll be chaos at all. I think
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Speaker 3: it's already boom chaos.
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Speaker 5: You've had the major parties running us for years and
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Speaker 5: this is where we're at.
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Speaker 6: Speaking to Sky News, the opposition leader has opened the
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Speaker 6: door to breaking up big insurance firms if premiums become unfair, as.
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Speaker 8: We've done with the supermarkets, Similarly in the insurance market,
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Speaker 8: we will intervene to make sure that consumers get a fair.
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Speaker 6: Go Cameron Reddin's Sky News Canberra.
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Speaker 2: Right now back to Melbourne, where Steve Price has more
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Speaker 2: on today's headlines.
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Speaker 11: Thanks Peter, so you soon well. As Peter reported at
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Speaker 11: the start of the program, another week and more anti semitism.
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Speaker 11: I mean the target overnight was disgracefully a Melbourne owned
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Speaker 11: building supplies store in Malvern East. It closed down last
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Speaker 11: year but was still up and running now. A warning
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Speaker 11: some viewers may find this distressing. Swastika's slogans including gas
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Speaker 11: the Jews sprayed on a large roller door. And what
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Speaker 11: makes it even worse, if that's possible, is the original
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Speaker 11: owners of that business were Holocaust survivors and according to
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Speaker 11: Jeremy Leiebler, a prominent Jewish activist in Melbourne, they arrived
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Speaker 11: in Australia with nothing and built that business up over
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Speaker 11: so many years. Please will be looking for cc TV footage,
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Speaker 11: but these cowards always put on masks. I mean, it's
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Speaker 11: just appalling and you can understand why. Today on the
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Speaker 11: Laura Jays program, there was a discussion about what's happening
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Speaker 11: with anti Semitism in Australia and one of the spokespeople
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Speaker 11: who used to be a spokesperson for the military, the
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Speaker 11: Israeli military, he said, his name's Jonathan Comicus. He said
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Speaker 11: that he never thought he'd see the day where Jewish
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Speaker 11: people in Israel were calling relatives in Australia to ask
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Speaker 11: if they were safe.
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Speaker 12: Asrael as at war and we are surrounded and we
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Speaker 12: were fighting on six or seven fronts, and Israel are
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Speaker 12: calling Australians asking if they're okay because they see what's
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Speaker 12: really been allowed to happen on Australian streets.
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Speaker 11: He's absolutely right, it's appalling stuff. Let's bring in our
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Speaker 11: penelfice panel for tonight's goo On News reporter Karen Marcus
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Speaker 11: and Daily Telegraph journalist James Willis. Caroline, you've done some
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Speaker 11: extraordinary work on this whole disgusting anti semitism. It just
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Speaker 11: seems another week, another day, more slogans, more Jewish people, frightened.
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Speaker 11: The comment there from the ex military spokesman, He's quite right.
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Speaker 11: Who would have thought Israeli's would be ringing Australia saying
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Speaker 11: are you safe?
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Speaker 10: Not only that, Steve, but there are Australians who are
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Speaker 10: actually relocating, Australian Jews who are relocating to Israel. They'd
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Speaker 10: rather live in Israel right now than in Australia because
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Speaker 10: they feel more safe over there. When it comes to
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Speaker 10: the scourge of anti Semitism, obviously that's not a huge issue, well,
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Speaker 10: of course, excluding the rockets that are being fired from
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Speaker 10: her Maas and the violence that they're facing on their
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Speaker 10: borders over there, But within Israel it's not as big
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Speaker 10: an issue as it is here in our own country.
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Speaker 10: And this isn't the Australia that we know and we love.
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Speaker 10: What we're seeing right now, this escalating crisis, especially in
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Speaker 10: Sydney and in Melbourne, with synagogues being torched and daycare
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Speaker 10: centers and schools being attacked.
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Speaker 3: It's atrocious.
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Speaker 10: And then to see today how the Islamic community has responded.
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Speaker 10: Leaders have responded to the exposure of these two nurses
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Speaker 10: who threatened to kill Israelis and said that they had
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Speaker 10: already killed Israeli patients who had come to the hospital
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Speaker 10: in Bankstown in Sydney. The response was that they are
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Speaker 10: somehow the victims, these two of some kind of manufactured antisemitism.
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Speaker 10: So until we see the Islamic community really confront these
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Speaker 10: issues of anti Semitism where a lot of it seems
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Speaker 10: to be coming from, and unequivocally condemn it without having
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Speaker 10: to somehow reverse victim the situation and make themselves the
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Speaker 10: victim or bring up Islamophobia, which has no equivalence whatsoever
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Speaker 10: to the current anti Semitism crisis. And I think the
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Speaker 10: situation is only going to get worse.
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Speaker 11: James, I mean, what puzzles me in a lot of this,
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Speaker 11: and you've got good police contacts, particularly in New South Wales,
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Speaker 11: there doesn't seem to be any action going forward on
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Speaker 11: finding out who these people are. I mean, how come
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Speaker 11: they're getting away with what they did last night to
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Speaker 11: that rollerdor in Melbourne, or you can go to the
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Speaker 11: childcare center in Sydney, the synagogue bombing in Melbourne. I
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Speaker 11: mean the police commissioner who's just quit down here, Shane
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Speaker 11: Patten said, Look, there are developments, but we haven't found
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Speaker 11: out what they are. We've had very few arrests, have.
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Speaker 8: We Well, that's right aside from I mean, there have
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Speaker 8: been some arrests, Steve. But the wider issue, and particularly
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Speaker 8: in regards to the caravan that was discovered with explosives
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Speaker 8: in Northwest Sydney a dural, there are a number of
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Speaker 8: questions that are still up in the air, and to
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Speaker 8: be honest, one of the issues we've got is that
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Speaker 8: it is abundantly clear that state police forces do not
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Speaker 8: often work hand in hand with the Australian Federal Police.
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Speaker 8: There's been a fierce rivalry there. There's been issues with
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Speaker 8: communicating and understanding who's in charge of what sort of investigation.
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Speaker 8: I know there's been suggestions in the last couple of
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Speaker 8: weeks that it could be foreign actors that are effectively
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Speaker 8: bribing people and effectively paying people or forcing people to
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Speaker 8: commit some of these appalling acts that we've seen.
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Speaker 3: But the whole issue.
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Speaker 8: You're right, the police response so far has left a
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Speaker 8: lot to be desired. And as I say, one of
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Speaker 8: the key issues we've got is state and federal level.
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Speaker 7: They're not always on the.
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Speaker 8: Same page and they're not always communicating. We hear this
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Speaker 8: with border Force all the time. Things come into the
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Speaker 8: country through Border Force. Are they talking to the local
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Speaker 8: state authorities? So there's a lot to be left there.
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Speaker 8: But there are certainly a range of questions on this
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Speaker 8: appalling rise in antisemitism that are let yet to be answered,
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Speaker 8: and people are certainly waiting to hear where these things land.
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Speaker 11: Caroline Mira not far away from a federal election obviously,
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Speaker 11: I see Labor has done this deal with Nahru. Now
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Speaker 11: they're going to take some three criminals, one of them
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Speaker 11: a murderer. You just wonder this is in a prisoner
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Speaker 11: exceptions by NARU. They say, okay, we're going to take them.
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Speaker 11: Why the hell would NAROU want to take people like that,
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Speaker 11: particularly a murderer. I just don't understand that. Tony Burke says, oh, well,
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Speaker 11: the deal could pay the way for other nations to
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Speaker 11: settle some of the cohort. There's over two hundred and
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Speaker 11: eighty of them out there in the community somewhere. Why
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Speaker 11: would Naharu say, okay, we're happy to take you on.
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Speaker 10: Word pricey money And the government isn't revealing how much
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Speaker 10: they're paying in financial compensation. But Nharu and I've been
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Speaker 10: to Naru. I was with the first camera crew, the
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Speaker 10: first television reporter to go to Naru when it had
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Speaker 10: the immigration detention centers where it was sending asylum seekers
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Speaker 10: back in twenty sixteen, when I was with the Current Affair.
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Speaker 10: And that's a country that's seriously concerned about its financial
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Speaker 10: future because it's running out of natural resources. The best
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Speaker 10: it can manage is to come up with these deals
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Speaker 10: with the Australian government. So it's accepted these three foreign criminals,
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Speaker 10: and they're violent foreign criminals. One of them includes a murderer. Now, okay,
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Speaker 10: that's all well and good, but what happens to the
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Speaker 10: two hundred and seventy seven or so other foreign criminals
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Speaker 10: that the government hasn't placed yet. Nauru might take a
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Speaker 10: few more.
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Speaker 7: We don't know.
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Speaker 10: This might just be the initial intake, but so far
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Speaker 10: that's three out of some two hundred and eight. So
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Speaker 10: it's got a long way to go, this deal. But
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Speaker 10: look it's a very small population, it's a very small island.
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Speaker 3: You can get around the whole island very quickly.
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Speaker 10: They've already got infrastructure there that they set up for
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Speaker 10: you know, immigration detainees, the asylum seekers when people were
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Speaker 10: arriving by boat. So they've got the infrastructure already in
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Speaker 10: place that Australia has set up. It seems pretty straight.
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Speaker 3: You want to me why they'd accept.
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Speaker 11: Them, James, Just before we go briefly, can't you fixture
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Speaker 11: the Sydney train network? What the kill's going on with
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Speaker 11: all these people just walking off the job.
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Speaker 8: Well, I can tell you who can fix it, Steve,
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Speaker 8: and that is the Federal Industrial Relations Minister Murray. What
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Speaker 8: he can intervene with a stroke of a pen and
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Speaker 8: call off what has been chaos in Sydney for months now.
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Speaker 3: Is the rail union.
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Speaker 8: Demands a eight eight eight percent eight percent increase the
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Speaker 8: next four years. They've also asked for a four five
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Speaker 8: hundred dollars sign on bonus and as a result, because
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Speaker 8: the government isn't agreeing to that because they simply can't
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Speaker 8: afford it, the rail union workers on Monday. So today
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Speaker 8: and also on Friday a lot of them texted each
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Speaker 8: other and said have a sick day today. Hundreds of
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Speaker 8: drivers called in sick at the last minute. The service
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Speaker 8: was chaos on Friday and it was again today. But
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Speaker 8: as I say, as the Fair Work Commission stuff goes
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Speaker 8: back and forth in New South Wales, my understanding is
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Speaker 8: Murray wat could be doing a lot more to intervene
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Speaker 8: and the silence from him is deafening at the moment.
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Speaker 8: So that is an interesting one heading into the election.
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Speaker 8: I wonder why Murray Watt is not intervening on this
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Speaker 8: one involving a rail union.
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Speaker 11: Yeah, just feel sorry for the commuters. It's extraordinary, Caroline James,
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Speaker 11: thank you very much for that. Coming up after the break,
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Speaker 11: Peter Kredlin will be back. She's talking to Tony Abbott.
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Speaker 11: They've gone back to his old stomping ground at Oxford
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Speaker 11: College to meet some very impressive students, giving hope that
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Speaker 11: maybe our institutions aren't completely.
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Speaker 7: Lost to the left.
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Speaker 11: Plus she'll check in on how the UK's nuclear program
21:05
Speaker 11: is going even under a labor government.
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Speaker 3: Welcome back to London.
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Speaker 2: We'll still ahead, We'll take a closer look at that
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Speaker 2: polling I brought to you at the top of the
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Speaker 2: show that continues to expose Labour's decline the trends real?
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Speaker 3: Is it terminal?
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Speaker 2: Steve will have a bit more of that with our panel.
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Speaker 2: I don't think it is, but they're in trouble. But first,
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Speaker 2: the other day, have the pleasure of returning to Oxford
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Speaker 2: University with Tony Abbott to meet a number of current
21:33
Speaker 2: Oxford based scholars. These are Ramsey scholars, the young Australians
21:38
Speaker 2: awarded a Ramsey scholarship to study at Oxford to quote
21:41
Speaker 2: defend Western civilization. It was a wonderful trip down memory
21:46
Speaker 2: lane from my old boss and a welcome reminder that
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Speaker 2: there are still bright and open minded conservative I have
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Speaker 2: to say, students willing to defend freedom of thought and
21:56
Speaker 2: our Western values.
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Speaker 4: Hello, well, what a surprise, Goda, how's a game. Wonderful
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Speaker 4: to be here, I must say. The first few weeks
22:21
Speaker 4: I was here, I basically walked around the city, marveling.
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Speaker 7: At all of the.
22:28
Speaker 4: Footsteps in which I was following, and it was quite
22:34
Speaker 4: a quite an inspiring thing.
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Speaker 3: We're in your hands, justin let's let's go, yeah.
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Speaker 13: Shop, So thank you very much for coming to borial
22:57
Speaker 13: college here.
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Speaker 11: It's a very great on for us opposed to you.
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Speaker 13: I'm interested in your understanding of how the experience here
23:05
Speaker 13: at Oxford really formed in more detailed ways, the strength
23:10
Speaker 13: of character that takes you on into public life, and
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Speaker 13: how all of us might be intellectual leaders in our field.
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Speaker 4: I decided very early on that I was never going
23:21
Speaker 4: to just regurgitate something else. Whatever it was I gave
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Speaker 4: back was going to be me, not the expert on
23:30
Speaker 4: this or the expert on that. So I think that
23:32
Speaker 4: was very important academically. I was determined as a student
23:38
Speaker 4: not to simply be a cipher for anyone else, and
23:43
Speaker 4: as a person I was more than happy to speak
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Speaker 4: my mind. I would urge upon all of you, don't
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Speaker 4: be shrinking violence, don't be wallflowers, anything else, comments, questions, observations.
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Speaker 14: A question about the power of changing one mind and
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Speaker 14: how an education from Oxford or any other institution in
24:04
Speaker 14: Australia or abroad might facilitate a kind of disputation or
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Speaker 14: kind of conversation where people feel flexible to be able
24:14
Speaker 14: to change their minds.
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Speaker 4: Look very very important point. We should be prepared to
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Speaker 4: change our mind, but we shouldn't do so for personal
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Speaker 4: convenience or for the benefit of conforming.
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Speaker 7: It seems to.
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Speaker 15: Us, well, it seems to me anyway. In the current climate,
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Speaker 15: a lot of the leadership happening at university seems to
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Speaker 15: be surrounding protests at university. So I was wondering what
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Speaker 15: your thoughts were on the role of protest in the
24:42
Speaker 15: role of university generally.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, Obviously, I think people have a right to protest,
24:50
Speaker 4: and if the cause is great enough, I think you
24:53
Speaker 4: have a duty to protest.
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Speaker 3: I don't think you.
24:55
Speaker 4: Should be passive in the face of oppression, but I
24:59
Speaker 4: also think it's important not to protest in ways which
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Speaker 4: cause unnecessary disruption to other people who may not have
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Speaker 4: the same passion.
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Speaker 14: I think that there should always be space on campus
25:15
Speaker 14: specifically for that act, whether that be in front of
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Speaker 14: the radcam or whether that be in your own room,
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Speaker 14: and I think that seeing that around town is a
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Speaker 14: crucial part of the university experience.
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Speaker 4: Look, I don't disagree with that at all. I think
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Speaker 4: one of the problems with the modern world is that
25:35
Speaker 4: we have sometimes lost the art of respectfully disagreeing. So
25:41
Speaker 4: if you and I disagree, it's not just that we
25:45
Speaker 4: have an honest disagreement on a difficult and contentious topic.
25:49
Speaker 4: It's that you know, you're a good person and I'm
25:52
Speaker 4: a bad person, or vice versa. So I think we
25:55
Speaker 4: these days have a tendency to over moralize these things,
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Speaker 4: when in most cases the disagreement is not about fundamental
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Speaker 4: human values. It's a difference of judgment about how those
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Speaker 4: fundamental human values might be applied to particular circumstances.
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Speaker 13: Thanks very much again, it's been great to have you here,
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Speaker 13: so thank you very much.
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Speaker 4: Thank you justin a pleasure and thank you everyone.
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Speaker 3: What's like to be back at Oxford? Do do you
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Speaker 3: feel nostalgic?
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Speaker 4: Wonderful? Absolutely wonderful. To be in a place of such
26:38
Speaker 4: treasure memories is very invigorating and the years fall away
26:43
Speaker 4: and you're twenty one, twenty two, twenty three again.
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Speaker 3: It's magnificent.
26:47
Speaker 2: You know a little bit of happenstance that you are
26:49
Speaker 2: a Rhodes scholar. This is Oriel College, this is the
26:54
Speaker 2: home of Cecil Rhodes, and it was only a couple
26:57
Speaker 2: of years ago a center of controversy when there.
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Speaker 3: Was the roads must form it.
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Speaker 2: Correct, the movement to topple statues, and this college resisted
27:06
Speaker 2: and said, we own our history, we own our past.
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Speaker 3: All the very best of our past. But we recognized
27:12
Speaker 3: where we had sort of trouble.
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Speaker 4: I think the university bent, but it did not break.
27:19
Speaker 4: I think there was a lot of pressure internal as
27:22
Speaker 4: well as external to bow down before that protest movement.
27:29
Speaker 4: But in the end their best sense prevailed and the
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Speaker 4: statue stays.
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Speaker 2: And some of those young Australians that Ramsey scholars that
27:42
Speaker 2: you know Togger impressive.
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Speaker 4: Really impressive people. And it's wonderful to think that Paul's
27:48
Speaker 4: bequest is adding so much to their lives and hopefully
27:53
Speaker 4: through them continuing to add so much to Australia, we can.
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Speaker 3: Get down on the young generation.
27:58
Speaker 2: Sometimes, can't be that we think Australia's best years are
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Speaker 2: behind it, not ahead of it.
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Speaker 3: But not when you see a group like that.
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Speaker 4: Look you see pol data, you read the headlines, and yes,
28:09
Speaker 4: it is tempting to despair. And yet invariably when you
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Speaker 4: talk to young Australians, the mood lifts and you think,
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Speaker 4: look these are terrific people.
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Speaker 2: There you go and I can tell you it is
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Speaker 2: very cold here in Britain. It was freezing there that day.
28:28
Speaker 2: In Oxford, but more important news here in the UK
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Speaker 2: British Prime Minister Kirstarma announcing the end of archaic planning
28:35
Speaker 2: rules across England and Wales.
28:37
Speaker 3: And this is all designed to drive.
28:39
Speaker 2: The approval of more small, modular nuclear reactors. It's a
28:43
Speaker 2: stunning change from a labor government that will see the
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Speaker 2: first new nuclear POWERstation built here since nineteen ninety five.
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Speaker 2: Joining me someone who knows a fair bit about energy
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Speaker 2: Scotti is contributor Chris Yielman. Great to see you now.
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Speaker 2: This is a huge announcement. It's making headlines here in
28:58
Speaker 2: the UK. Unsurprisingly, Chris Bowen doesn't want to talk about
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Speaker 2: it at home. What do you make of it, Well,
29:05
Speaker 2: it's all.
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Speaker 1: Part of Kierstarmer's designed to build, baby build, as he
29:09
Speaker 1: channels his inner Donald Trump is also making changes to
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Speaker 1: councils because one of the big problems that they've had
29:14
Speaker 1: here is that they can't get things through all of
29:16
Speaker 1: the layers of regulations that they've got, So this is
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Speaker 1: something that's very positive that's being done. I think it's
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Speaker 1: also a recognition of the fact that the pathway that
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Speaker 1: the UK is on on its energy pathway, is a
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Speaker 1: road to ruin as it is in the rest of Europe.
29:30
Speaker 1: So what we're seeing is the highest power prices essentially
29:33
Speaker 1: across the EU are in places like the UK and
29:36
Speaker 1: in Germany, where they've got wind and solar as really
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Speaker 1: one of the bases of their power generation and an
29:42
Speaker 1: ever increasing part of it. And as they've turned off
29:45
Speaker 1: the coal fired power plants, the price of electricity have skyrocketed,
29:48
Speaker 1: so they have to do something otherwise they're going to
29:51
Speaker 1: deppower and de industrialize. Kostarma recognizes that, and so it's
29:55
Speaker 1: a belated recognition, but a good one.
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Speaker 2: And just like it is in Australia. Yeah, the Labor
30:00
Speaker 2: Party is further to the left than the old Labor Party.
30:04
Speaker 2: So for the fact that the modern version of a
30:08
Speaker 2: left wing Labor Party can do this, there's no reason
30:12
Speaker 2: why we can't in Australia under Labor change.
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Speaker 1: Course, the UK has been mugged by reality. Anyone who
30:18
Speaker 1: is paying attention to what's going on recognizes that you
30:21
Speaker 1: cannot build a grid, a stable, reliable, twenty four to
30:24
Speaker 1: seven electricity grid around wind and solar energy. But if
30:28
Speaker 1: you do, then it will be ridiculously expensive and unreliable.
30:33
Speaker 1: So look, nuclear is going to be expensive as well.
30:36
Speaker 1: One of the big expenses in the Western world has
30:38
Speaker 1: been the regulatory burden. In the UK, it's taken twenty
30:41
Speaker 1: years to get some of these things to power on.
30:45
Speaker 1: A large part of the costs is the planet is
30:47
Speaker 1: in the red tape. So that's what he's trying to address. Now,
30:50
Speaker 1: it's no easy path. That's a long path. That would
30:52
Speaker 1: be the same in Australia. But if you are determined,
30:55
Speaker 1: because I think in fact nations are increasingly less likely
30:58
Speaker 1: to be, but to get to net ze zero, there
31:00
Speaker 1: is no pathway that doesn't include nuclear energy.
31:04
Speaker 2: So that shock and all sort of announcement that's happened
31:07
Speaker 2: here sits very much, I think in a context, and
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Speaker 2: that advanced speech Vice President Jade Evance speaking as it
31:15
Speaker 2: did to the Munich Security Council really with a shot
31:18
Speaker 2: across Europe's bow and the United Kingdom's bow, saying.
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Speaker 3: You guys have got to change.
31:24
Speaker 2: The West is in decline, or you need to arrest
31:28
Speaker 2: the decline is you need to stop being so scared
31:31
Speaker 2: of your citizens, and you need to open up and
31:35
Speaker 2: speak honestly and openly about the challenges facing your countries.
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Speaker 1: I think it's a really interesting intervention and one which
31:42
Speaker 1: I think we've discussed in the past two is the
31:44
Speaker 1: real threat to Western society is for external is it
31:48
Speaker 1: putin and choosing ping. Do we have to worry about
31:50
Speaker 1: a defense in the sense that we might have to
31:51
Speaker 1: fight a war? I think certainly we do have to
31:53
Speaker 1: consider that and the kind of world that they want
31:56
Speaker 1: to build. But the other thing that we have to
31:57
Speaker 1: consider is what's happening internally? Are we eating ourselves alive internally?
32:02
Speaker 1: And I think what jd. Vance has put his finger
32:04
Speaker 1: on is something that's absolutely true in the European unit,
32:07
Speaker 1: which is, to a large extent, it's anti democratic. The
32:09
Speaker 1: European Commission runs an enormous amount of what happens in Europe.
32:13
Speaker 1: There's a democratic deficit, there's a huge gap between people
32:16
Speaker 1: and the authorities that govern them. And what they're trying
32:19
Speaker 1: to do as well is to lock out of the
32:21
Speaker 1: conversation anyone that they label as extreme right, as we're
32:25
Speaker 1: seeing in Germany they won't even accept the votes of
32:28
Speaker 1: the AfD. So that's what he's pointing to. Is is
32:31
Speaker 1: it the rock within that is more of a worry
32:35
Speaker 1: than the threat from without?
32:37
Speaker 3: What did you make of the comments too.
32:38
Speaker 2: Back to kiss Dharma, he wrote a piece for the Telegraph,
32:41
Speaker 2: the newspaper here in Britain. It says this is in
32:43
Speaker 2: relation to Ukraine helping to guarantee Ukraine's security, is helping
32:47
Speaker 2: to guarantee the security of our country and our continent,
32:52
Speaker 2: revealing had been willing to British troops on the ground
32:55
Speaker 2: if it came to that.
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Speaker 1: That is a massive thing. Of course he's talking about
32:59
Speaker 1: it if there is a peace deal, to make sure
33:01
Speaker 1: that he can help to ensure that there is an
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Speaker 1: enduring peace, because I've been in Ukraine, I've spoken to
33:07
Speaker 1: President Lensky. The fear is, of course that what will
33:10
Speaker 1: happen is that putin will pause your rearm and then
33:13
Speaker 1: you'll come again. So you need to put something in
33:15
Speaker 1: place that's durable. Starmer is willing to be part of that,
33:18
Speaker 1: putting British troops on the ground there essentially as peacekeepers,
33:21
Speaker 1: and I guessing on the border.
33:23
Speaker 2: Which is not just similar to Berlin after the Second
33:25
Speaker 2: World War. I mean Germany didn't hold the peace without
33:28
Speaker 2: there being a presence of Allied troops on the ground too.
33:31
Speaker 1: Yeah, And the reason is that if they decide to
33:33
Speaker 1: come again they're going to have to kill some British
33:36
Speaker 1: troops to do it, and that brings Britain into the fray.
33:39
Speaker 1: Starmer's also those said that they need the United States.
33:43
Speaker 1: Now he's going to Europe, He's going to say to
33:45
Speaker 1: the European leaders that Trump's right and saying they have
33:47
Speaker 1: to spend more on their own defense and to step
33:49
Speaker 1: up to that. But they also still do need the
33:51
Speaker 1: United States. So I thought it was a really interesting
33:53
Speaker 1: essay from him today. Obviously, he has some terrible problems
33:57
Speaker 1: at home. He's one of the least loved prime ministers
33:59
Speaker 1: that they have ever had, so that the loveless selection
34:03
Speaker 1: that he has now is falling into a loveless marriage.
34:06
Speaker 1: But some of the stuff that he's done I think
34:07
Speaker 1: is interesting. What he's doing on councils, what he's doing
34:09
Speaker 1: on regulation, and certainly this intervention on Ukraine I think
34:12
Speaker 1: is a very interesting one.
34:13
Speaker 2: And the dear old tour is on't helping themselves, they
34:15
Speaker 2: know what I be saying, giving him a free pass.
34:17
Speaker 2: And of course we're seeing in the rise of Nigel Farash.
34:19
Speaker 1: Indeed, Reform now I think is leading all three parties
34:22
Speaker 1: in the polls. So you know there's going to be
34:24
Speaker 1: a settlement on the right of politics here and a
34:26
Speaker 1: lesson I think to the Conservatives, which is they had
34:30
Speaker 1: an enormous amount of time to do something and they
34:32
Speaker 1: were a disaster.
34:33
Speaker 2: The story of absolute disaster conservative governs around the world.
34:35
Speaker 3: Chris, thank you.
34:36
Speaker 2: Brought to your contribution at ARC or a quick break
34:39
Speaker 2: the work few rules after the break dictating how sports
34:42
Speaker 2: and community groups can spend government funding. Last that new
34:45
Speaker 2: poll Australian don't think Labor deserves a second chance.
34:53
Speaker 11: Welcome back, Peter, back with you shortly with a sneak
34:55
Speaker 11: peak of what you can expect on the program over
34:58
Speaker 11: the next few programs at the ARK conference over there
35:00
Speaker 11: in the UK. Well, we've got another election update for
35:04
Speaker 11: your news poll out today in the Australian newspaper. The
35:07
Speaker 11: PM's popularity is in the toilet, as we know, but
35:11
Speaker 11: this news poll said that the Coalition on these numbers
35:13
Speaker 11: would only pick up eight or nine seats, which would
35:16
Speaker 11: not be enough and that would probably see a minority
35:19
Speaker 11: Labor government. Can you imagine what going back to that,
35:22
Speaker 11: Remember the nightmares with Julia Gillard and Oakshott and Tony
35:25
Speaker 11: Windsor and Bob Catter it was just a circus. Joining
35:29
Speaker 11: me now LMP Queensland Senator James McGrath and contributor for
35:33
Speaker 11: The Spectator Terry Barnes. Great to have you both with us. James,
35:37
Speaker 11: do you think that that news poll is an accurate
35:40
Speaker 11: reflection of what you're hearing out there in the community.
35:45
Speaker 7: I was certainly here in Queensland.
35:47
Speaker 16: I was at the Chinchilla Watermelon Festival on the weekend
35:49
Speaker 16: and also at the Paul of Singapore service yesterday. Here
35:52
Speaker 16: in Brisbane, people don't want Albo, they don't want Labor.
35:56
Speaker 16: They're looking at Peter Dartner and looking at the coalition
35:59
Speaker 16: to make sure that we have got the right plan
36:02
Speaker 16: to get Australia back on track. The simple fact is
36:05
Speaker 16: if you vote Labor, you're going to get Albo's Prime minister.
36:07
Speaker 16: If you're going to vote for the tills, you might
36:09
Speaker 16: as well vote for the Greens and you go to
36:10
Speaker 16: Albo's Prime minister.
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Speaker 7: The only choice is to put.
36:13
Speaker 16: Those buggers last and vote one for the LMP, because
36:17
Speaker 16: Australia has got a choice. It is a minority Labor
36:20
Speaker 16: Green government or getting Peter Dutton in, and we need
36:22
Speaker 16: people to support us and it's not going to happen
36:25
Speaker 16: by wishful thinking. It's a lot of hard work for
36:27
Speaker 16: my party over the coming weeks.
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Speaker 11: And months, certainly hard work. It's a big mountain to climb. Terry,
36:33
Speaker 11: I had to look at the bookies' odds. They often
36:35
Speaker 11: are the ones that get the real picture with the money,
36:38
Speaker 11: where the money's going. Coalition. They've got coalition at a
36:41
Speaker 11: dollar fifty three to labor at two dollars fifty. Incredibly,
36:45
Speaker 11: a labor majority is the longest odds at fifteen dollars,
36:49
Speaker 11: with a labor minority government the shortest at two sixty three.
36:54
Speaker 11: Money talks, we're headed for. It would seem a minority
36:58
Speaker 11: labor government, which, as the Senator tells us, would be
37:01
Speaker 11: the worst of all possible results.
37:05
Speaker 9: Well, certainly, Steve, when I was doing federal campaigns and
37:09
Speaker 9: campaign headquarters, we relied on Cender Bett and sports Bet,
37:13
Speaker 9: perhaps more than Newspolls. So look, I believe what the
37:16
Speaker 9: bookies are saying, But certainly I think what we're seeing
37:21
Speaker 9: at the moment is I think Newspoll is telling us
37:24
Speaker 9: that people want to chuck out labor government, but what
37:26
Speaker 9: they need is a coalition alternative to see all the deal,
37:30
Speaker 9: and I think what the numbers are saying at the
37:32
Speaker 9: moment is that a good, strong coalition campaign is essential
37:36
Speaker 9: here and it has to be a strong policy based
37:38
Speaker 9: campaign because we don't want, as James was saying, a
37:41
Speaker 9: government that's depending on the Greens or the Teals, because
37:45
Speaker 9: those people in minority, I mean, the bad power with
37:48
Speaker 9: our responsibility the prerogative of the harlot through the ages.
37:51
Speaker 9: We don't want those political harlots taking basically dominating Australian
37:56
Speaker 9: politics the next three years.
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Speaker 11: No way, James. As Peter said earlier in the program,
38:03
Speaker 11: Anthony Alberze's track record in when his campaigning is not
38:07
Speaker 11: great and Peter Dunton seems to be at the moment
38:10
Speaker 11: right on his game. Are you hopeful that you can
38:13
Speaker 11: obviously out campaign labor when the gun actually gets fired
38:18
Speaker 11: on a date.
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Speaker 16: All that Australian people see of Albow, they less they
38:26
Speaker 16: like him, and they more they see of Peter Dutton,
38:28
Speaker 16: they more they like him. You look at what Peter's
38:30
Speaker 16: done over the weekend. You was an Ingham on Saturday,
38:33
Speaker 16: there's a Northern Territory yesterday and he's just walked into
38:37
Speaker 16: the function that I'm now with Maggie Forrest, who's our
38:40
Speaker 16: candidate for Ryan. This guy has got more energy than
38:44
Speaker 16: the energizer Bunny.
38:45
Speaker 7: He's getting out there. He's coming into his own now.
38:48
Speaker 16: So I think Peter will out campaign Albanesi comfortably and
38:53
Speaker 16: alban easy.
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Speaker 7: Look what is the worth of this guy? I mean,
38:57
Speaker 7: what has he done for Australia in the last two
38:58
Speaker 7: and a half.
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Speaker 16: Years better off than they were three years ago?
39:02
Speaker 7: No, they're not.
39:03
Speaker 16: It's time he calls the election and let's just put
39:06
Speaker 16: everyone out of their misery.
39:07
Speaker 7: Put Peter Dutton into the lodge.
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Speaker 11: Yeah, well he might well do that if he gets
39:12
Speaker 11: an interest rate cut tomorrow, Terry. I mean, one of
39:15
Speaker 11: the things that the Coalition's got to do is get
39:17
Speaker 11: rid of all of this woke nonsense that goes on
39:19
Speaker 11: the latest singers, community sport. Previously, if you wanted to
39:24
Speaker 11: get a government grant you had to install air conditioning,
39:28
Speaker 11: new sports equipment, upgrade your kitchen. Under these new round
39:32
Speaker 11: of grants, guess what eligible activities include? Construction of First
39:36
Speaker 11: Nations cultural spaces, gender neutral facilities which means toilets, websites
39:42
Speaker 11: to support newly arrived migrants who are not citizens. I mean,
39:46
Speaker 11: if you ever wanted an example of what's going wrong
39:49
Speaker 11: in this country, there it is for you, right.
39:53
Speaker 9: Oh, absolutely, I think a go worke, go broke. I
39:56
Speaker 9: mean that's the way the government seems to be going
39:58
Speaker 9: about things now and basically trying to impose a woke
40:01
Speaker 9: agenda on community and sporting groups.
40:03
Speaker 3: It's just absolutely ridiculous.
40:04
Speaker 9: I mean, if you really want to actually focus on
40:07
Speaker 9: what the community wants, you actually give them grants to
40:10
Speaker 9: provide those basic community services, and to give those sporting
40:14
Speaker 9: and community clubs the opportunity to do what they do best,
40:18
Speaker 9: not not to play a woke game, not to look
40:20
Speaker 9: after woke agendas, but actually focus on making sure that
40:25
Speaker 9: we have a community that is happy and healthy.
40:30
Speaker 11: The RBA decision is going to be out tomorrow, Senator.
40:34
Speaker 11: I mean, obviously Australians are desperate for an interest rate cut.
40:38
Speaker 11: Do you get any sense that that's going to happen.
40:43
Speaker 16: It seems that most commentators think there will be an
40:45
Speaker 16: interest rate cut, but there have been twelve interest rate
40:48
Speaker 16: rises under later we're in the cost of living crisis.
40:51
Speaker 16: For labor politicians to take any credit for the cut
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Speaker 16: would be outrageous. For Jim Chalmers to try and take
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Speaker 16: the credit would be doubly outrageous.
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Speaker 7: We need to look at the long run.
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Speaker 16: Twelve interest rate rises, one cut strains are still going
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Speaker 16: to be worse off because they've got a labor government.
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Speaker 11: Yeah, everybody needs more than one cut. Just what I
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Speaker 11: got you there sent at a Climbate two hundred. They're
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Speaker 11: going to back thirty five campaignsmen now told at the
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Speaker 11: upcoming election, including four in labor seats. That's a big
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Speaker 11: increase on the number of candidates they back last time.
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Speaker 11: I think in twenty twenty two it was twenty three candidates.
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Speaker 11: This is again going to split the vote, isn't it.
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Speaker 11: We saw that in Werribe and Victoria at that by
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Speaker 11: election the weekend before last, where it just splintered the
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Speaker 11: vote all over the shop.
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Speaker 16: But remember the Tills and Climbate two hundred are the
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Speaker 16: political wing of the renewables movements that they've got big
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Speaker 16: donors of putting money in there because they want their
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Speaker 16: candidates and the MPs to push their interests. So it
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Speaker 16: just shows big money and it just shows that.
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Speaker 7: The left side of politics will stop.
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Speaker 16: At nothing to stop Peter Dutton and David Little Prowd
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Speaker 16: getting into the Lodge.
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Speaker 7: I think we'll get there. It's going to be a long,
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Speaker 7: tough fight.
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Speaker 16: We've got a big mountain to climb. They're throwing everything
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Speaker 16: at us. But guess what, we've got the better arguments,
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Speaker 16: the better messages, the better policies and the better candidates
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Speaker 16: like Maggie Forres, Trevor Evans here and Queens and then
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Speaker 16: Duringman you're up and likehar Leon Ravello down the Gold Coast.
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Speaker 7: We will win because we have to for Australia's sake.
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Speaker 11: James Terry, thank you very much for joining us. And
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Speaker 11: of course Sky'll have live coverage tomorrow with that interest
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Speaker 11: rate decision at around two thirty pm Australian Eastern Standard time,
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Speaker 11: so that will be live.
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Speaker 7: We'll have an.
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Speaker 11: Assessment about what exactly the bank decides with Ross Greenwood
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Speaker 11: on the program tomorrow night after the break, a sneak
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Speaker 11: peek what you can expect over the coming days at
42:52
Speaker 11: the Art conference in London with Peter.
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Speaker 2: Well, as you know, it's early morning here in London,
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Speaker 2: so in a couple of hours we will kick off
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Speaker 2: day one of the conference. Are we there plenty to
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Speaker 2: show you two over the next few days. But earlier
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Speaker 2: I was able to sit down with John Anderson. He's
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Speaker 2: a founder of ARC and he'll give us a taste
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Speaker 2: of what we can expect. Well, John Anderson, thank you
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Speaker 2: for joining me. You know, we are here literally as
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Speaker 2: they're setting up for ARC. It's an extraordinary conference. This here,
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Speaker 2: four thousand people. It's come a long way since a
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Speaker 2: nub of an idea not so long ago.
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Speaker 5: August twenty two was the nub of the idea, and
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Speaker 5: there was a tremendous energy and enthusiasm to try and
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Speaker 5: pull together all of sort of the good thinking and
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Speaker 5: the good ideas that are sort of out there but
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Speaker 5: not coordinating, and to give voice to I would think
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Speaker 5: citizens who are really worried in the West about where
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Speaker 5: their countries are going because there's not going well.
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Speaker 2: And you've got people from all over the world here
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Speaker 2: four thousand people, as I said, but I mean lots
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Speaker 2: and lots of countries, not just Australians.
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Speaker 5: No, there are over three hundred Australians. So we are
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Speaker 5: certainly engaged in a very big way, which is delightful
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Speaker 5: for me and relieving because I love Australia and I
44:17
Speaker 5: don't think we're doing very well and we need to
44:19
Speaker 5: unpack more of the band thinking that's producing some mu's
44:21
Speaker 5: bad policy point to better thinking in a way. You know,
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Speaker 5: Australia's moving on social media for under sixteens. That was
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Speaker 5: first highlighted in a major way at ARC.
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Speaker 3: Some of the topics that I thought in previous arcs
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Speaker 3: were just so universal. The challenge of migration.
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Speaker 2: We're a long way away from where the UN Convention
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Speaker 2: was with the movement of people. It's now an economic argument,
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Speaker 2: particularly in countries like Britain where we are now. It's
44:53
Speaker 2: been a huge political issue. Something Australia is dealing with,
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Speaker 2: something the United States has been dealing with. This is
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Speaker 2: generating debate on those topics. But what art tends to
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Speaker 2: give you that I think no other conference really does
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Speaker 2: is solutions.
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Speaker 3: And that's what we're desperate for, isn't it the hope?
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Speaker 3: The hope?
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Speaker 5: Well, I think that is right. People need hope because
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Speaker 5: they're despairing. This is the age of disengagement by ordinary citizens.
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Speaker 5: That's why we call it ARK the Alliance of Responsible Citizens.
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Speaker 5: We want to re engage citizens and the matter of
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Speaker 5: immigration does raise there's no way of putting it. The
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Speaker 5: way in which shall we say the noble objective of
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Speaker 5: multiconforalism has been bastardized because we've so weakened the underpinning
45:39
Speaker 5: foundations of our own culture, the very things that have
45:42
Speaker 5: attracted people from other parts of the world to countries
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Speaker 5: like Britain and Australia, which I don't spent.
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Speaker 2: A big debate in the last couple of days in
45:48
Speaker 2: Australia once that imagery of the two nurses hit the mainstream,
45:54
Speaker 2: I mean, once that was uncovered, once there is a
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Speaker 2: a debate then about how new you are a citizen.
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Speaker 2: One of the people involved was that's really started a
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Speaker 2: debate at home about what do you do when people
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Speaker 2: come to your country and are not prepared to live
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Speaker 2: by your values.
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Speaker 5: We have to have that debate otherwise the very things
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Speaker 5: that made us attractive for those people to come to
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Speaker 5: in the first place will be lost. When that's lost.
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Speaker 5: When it's fair game to actually say, well, I hope
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Speaker 5: you die in pain because of your race, you've got
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Speaker 5: a very serious problem.
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Speaker 3: This is not just a conservative conference.
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Speaker 2: I mean, that's not why people are here, and it's
46:38
Speaker 2: not all participants on the center right either. I Mean,
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Speaker 2: what I love about art is the civil disagreement. We've
46:45
Speaker 2: sort of lost that art of civil disagreement and debate.
46:48
Speaker 2: But broadly around the world there was a real shift
46:53
Speaker 2: in incumbent governments and a movement we've seen obviously with
46:56
Speaker 2: President Trump and elsewhere to end woke really, and this
47:03
Speaker 2: is coming at a time when we're riding that wave.
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Speaker 5: One of the great features of work is, of course
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Speaker 5: it's silence descent. Its silence is descent. The woke people
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Speaker 5: want it dealt with.
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Speaker 3: Politicians to dodge it.
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Speaker 5: John, No, they don't. In fact, I think some leaders
47:21
Speaker 5: who are lecture us on the need to not be
47:23
Speaker 5: Islamophobic are displaying Islamophobia in their lack of courage in
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Speaker 5: confronting an issue. And the elephant in the room is
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Speaker 5: that we have a problem with extremist Islamic belief with
47:37
Speaker 5: g HAD. It's no use saying it's just about an
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Speaker 5: internal battle. It's not g HAD and those who believe
47:43
Speaker 5: in it are simply not committed to the building of peaceful,
47:50
Speaker 5: cohesive societies, and we can't avoid it any longer.
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Speaker 2: To set up give us a snake peak of what
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Speaker 2: will be an amazing week. Thank you for your time,
47:59
Speaker 2: Thank you.
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Speaker 4: Well.
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Speaker 2: You can see it's going to be good coming to
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Speaker 2: you and much needed. Some of the other names there
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Speaker 2: obviously Jordan Peterson, Dave Ruben. Who else have I got
48:09
Speaker 2: my list? Neil Ferguson, you know him well. Nigel Faraj.
48:13
Speaker 2: I'm going to sit down and have quite a long
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Speaker 2: chat with Nigel Faraj. He really has overtaken the Conservative
48:18
Speaker 2: Party in Britain. He is shaking things up. It's quite
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Speaker 2: amazing and he's got all the right people scared, which
48:25
Speaker 2: is exactly where you want to be in politics. Thank
48:28
Speaker 2: you for your company. Great to be with you tonight,
48:31
Speaker 2: even though I am far away in London, we're across
48:33
Speaker 2: all the issues going into the Australian election campaign. Look
48:36
Speaker 2: forward to your company again.
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Speaker 3: Thank you.
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Speaker 2: Steve Price too, look forward to your company tomorrow night
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Speaker 2: at six.
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Speaker 3: He's Andrew