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Ep. 8: How Do You Solve a Problem Like Harrison? · We Are More: Sisters Talk Faith & Feminism

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  Welcome to the We Are More podcast. My name is Alyssa.
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  And my name's Bri. We're two sisters passionate about all things faith and feminism.
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  We believe that Jesus trusted, respected, and encouraged women to teach and preach His
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  Word. And apparently that's controversial.
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  Get comfy.
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  Hello!
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  Hello!
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  Welcome to our very first ever special edition.
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  Special edition! Read all about it!
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  I feel like the newsies. Should I break out into song?
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  Please, please do. As is our tradition.
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  Do you know any songs from the newsies?
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  Yeah, I do! But I'll keep them to myself.
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  Till later.
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  Till later. I'll probably listen to it in the car later.
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  So we have decided to do something a little bit different. We wanted to start recording
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  weekly.
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  You're welcome.
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  But based on our work schedules, it's kind of hard to do a full episode every single
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  week.
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  Because believe it or not, this is not our full time job.
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  Yeah, though we do seem very professional.
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  I think my full time job is just surviving.
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  That sounds right.
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  So right now we're posting every other week. So you guys heard episode 7 last week, and
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  then episode 8 will be coming up next week. And on the in between weeks, we've decided
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  to do something a little bit different, a little shorter. Yeah. And do like a half hour
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  episode if we can shut ourselves up.
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  Let's not give a time limit.
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  Oh, who knows what it'll be.
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  In theory.
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  We're just gonna talk as long as we want.
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  And then eventually we'll shut up.
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  But we do have to go to mom's for dinner. So...
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  Hi, mom.
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  And dad.
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  And dad.
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  They share a house.
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  They do.
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  So, but we're going to try and keep this one to more of like current events, I guess.
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  Yeah, just like our thoughts, nothing like super heavy, I would say.
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  But we're gonna try and keep it because our other episodes we record a little ahead. So
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  you're not necessarily hearing them in real time. But we're gonna try and do these a little
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  bit more in real time so that we can talk about things that are happening right now
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  in the world.
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  And right now in the world.
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  Transition. Has anybody heard of Harrison Butker?
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  I think perhaps they have at this point.
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  I don't know if it's like as, you know, how your TikTok algorithm is specific to you.
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  But it's like, is everybody else hearing about this as much as I am? But I think they are.
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  I think they are. It's everywhere right now. And to be fair, it's doing the same thing
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  to me. All of my news articles are about this on Facebook. But it's because I click on them.
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  Right. Right. It's like the shoes.
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  Yeah. Oh, I finally caved in about the shoes, everybody.
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  Here's the thing. Did you talk about that in episode seven or eight? Because otherwise
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  you'll be confused.
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  I've been trying to buy these shoes for months.
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  I think it's been like a week and a half.
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  I've been like, I won't buy them. I won't buy them. I won't buy them. I don't need them.
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  I bought them.
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  Sounds like your process for everything.
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  Yeah.
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  And I say that like it's not my process.
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  If you advertise something to me enough, eventually I'll buy it.
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  Good. That's a great message. The little AI box are already listening.
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  Yeah. They're like, that's probably why you get so many spam calls. They're like, well,
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  if we call her enough, eventually she'll give us her social security number.
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  All right. And Bri's social security number is...
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  Anyway, back on topic.
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  On topic.
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  The Kansas City Chiefs.
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  Yes. Because we are now a football channel.
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  We are athletes ourselves.
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  Oh, so much.
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  Honestly, I could be the kicker.
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  I think you should.
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  I should.
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  I think it would go really well for you.
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  I did get an A in my Frisbee class.
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  Yes. But what did you get a C in, Brianna?
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  A C minus in, Alyssa? Was badminton.
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  You can barely say badminton.
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  Badminton. Badminton, badminton, badminton.
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  Still badminton.
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  No. I was an art major.
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  Anyway, this is going to be a spazzy one. We're only four minutes in though. We usually
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  are spazzy until like minute 10.
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  Yeah, we can cut some of this out.
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  Well, but why though? We won't.
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  No, this is a short, snappy episode.
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  So if you haven't heard what happened, is he the kicker for the Chiefs? Is that what
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  he is?
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  He is the kicker.
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  So he is the Chiefs gave a commencement speech at a Catholic college, correct?
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  Benedictine, I think is how you say it.
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  And you've watched the whole speech. I've watched snippets of it and read a lot of stuff
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  about it, but you watched the whole speech.
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  I listened to it while I was in the shower.
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  That's strange.
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  That's when I had time.
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  So kind of elaborate on, since you listened to the whole thing.
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  Now I did listen to it a while ago, so I'm going to have to reach back into the cobwebs
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  of my brain to remember it all.
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  But I encourage everybody to go and watch it. It's like 20 something minutes of your
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  time that you'll never get back.
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  Essentially he insults everybody he possibly can in the name of God.
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  Don't you love that?
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  But one of the key takeaways is the way that he speaks to women.
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  So one of the lines from his speech is like, now I know all of you women here are excited
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  about graduating and all the accomplishments that you'll have in your life and all the
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  promotions that you'll get.
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  But I think the biggest promotion or your biggest...
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  I bet you're all most excited for your greatest role, which is wife and mother.
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  According to a room full of women who have just received the exact same degree as a room
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  full of men.
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  Yep. And statistically with higher grades.
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  I believe he also said something about if you think that your higher calling is a career
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  or something you've been lied to.
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  So the quote that I think is the biggest summary of what he says, because it's all garbage,
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  but he says, I think it is you the women who have had the most diabolical lies told to
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  you.
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  Some of you may go on to lead successful careers in the world, but I would venture to guess
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  that the majority of you are most excited about your marriage and the children you will
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  bring into this world.
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  No.
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  I want to point out that he also talks about a lot of other things in this speech.
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  He insults everyone.
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  He goes on to talk about his wife and how she had dreams of her own.
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  But because her higher calling is to be a wife and mother, she did not get to achieve
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  those dreams.
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  And if you asked her, she would laugh in your face and say, ha ha ha.
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  No, this is good.
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  This is all I ever wanted.
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  Which okay, let me just point out.
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  If that is the path that you want to walk down, there's nothing wrong with that.
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  There's nothing wrong with it.
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  Like your dreams can change.
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  If you originally planned to have some big career and then you had kids and you realized
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  that you wanted to be a stay at home mom and take care of them, that's fine.
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  There's nothing wrong with that.
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  The issue is turning around and telling every other woman on the planet, because this worked
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  for me, because this is what I decided that I wanted, now it has to be what you want.
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  Not just because I say so, but because God says so.
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  I think what's so frustrating too is this is the message all the time to women is, well,
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  your highest calling is to be a wife and mother.
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  So because of that, when you get married, your dreams mean nothing.
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  Put your dreams aside, raise up your husband's dreams, support him fully, support your kids,
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  and you just, you mean less.
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  Well everybody else in that scenario gets to chase after their dreams.
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  The husband gets to do whatever it is that he wants to do.
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  And you just have to sit there and say, go ahead sweetie, I've got things at home.
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  Don't worry about it.
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  You do whatever feels fulfilling to you and I'll sit over here.
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  Right.
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  It's just, again for me, makes marriage not sound very fulfilling.
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  I mean really, I can't blame you in that because if that is really what Christian marriage
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  is, I mean I feel like we harp on this a lot.
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  But if that's really what Christian marriage is, forget it.
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  I want nothing to do with that either.
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  It's not a good time.
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  I mean I can't say that for sure.
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  I've never experienced it, but it doesn't sound like a great time.
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  So we'll talk about a few of the responses from some of the football players because
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  quite a few people have now responded to this speech because it was well publicized and
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  very controversial.
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  I want to first, so... butker.
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  First I want to make fun of his name.
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  It's not a great name guys.
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  Butker.
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  So he has now responded.
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  It took him a good bit to respond, but this is one of the things that he said.
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  As to be expected, the more I've talked about what I value most, which is my Catholic faith,
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  the more polarizing I've become.
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  That's a decision I've consciously made and one I do not regret at all.
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  Now I was thinking about this.
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  So it's Sunday, we were in church this morning and I was thinking about this in church.
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  I want to respond to that and say, because I believe he goes on to say, and I do what
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  I do to make Jesus proud of me, not to make the world proud of me.
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  And I want to sit here and say, well, Jesus isn't proud of you.
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  And there's, you know, I don't want to put words in God's mouth.
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  But at the same time, so in church today, the pastor was talking about having the power
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  and authority of Christ.
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  And that Jesus gives you those things to go against what's in the world that God doesn't
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  want to be there.
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  And I sincerely believe that this, this speech, this attitude, this whole male domination
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  and stupidness is not what God wants in the world.
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  So God has given us as Christians the power and authority to speak against that.
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  So I'm going to say with the power and authority of God, that he's full of crap.
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  I think too, the Bible says the greatest commandment is to love one another and show God's love.
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  God is not showing God's love in no small way.
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  You're belittling over 50% of his creation and lying to the other 50%.
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  Well, I guess lying to everybody, but it's polarizing and rude.
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  And I think it, they say all publicity is good publicity or whatever, but this is not
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  good publicity for your faith or for God.
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  That's just another reason why people don't want to be Christians because they see us
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  as the traditional 1950s, like patriarchal society and the rest of the world is moving.
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  They're growing.
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  They're learning that we should respect everybody.
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  We're stuck in the past.
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  Well, and yeah, if you were not someone of faith, if you were someone that had intentionally
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  left the church and you hear this speech, the first thing I, in my opinion, that would
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  come to my mind would be, well, that's exactly why I'm not there anymore.
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  That's exactly why I don't follow God anymore or why I will never follow God.
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  Because if that's what you think of God, run away.
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  I mean, that sounds terrible.
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  And also I want to point out, maybe this is a little not on topic, but think of all the
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  historical women out there who have made incredible contributions to society.
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  We were just talking about Marie Curie and Barbara Streisand.
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  There are countless women through history telling them that, yeah, what you did is fine,
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  but that's not your greatest calling.
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  That's insulting.
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  And let's again, and like I said, we've made this point before, but the women of the Bible,
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  you don't hear, no one in the Bible is saying women, your greatest calling is to be a wife
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  and mother.
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  Well, what about women who can't be mothers?
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  Right.
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  Are you telling them that they have no great calling?
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  I mean, he is, yes.
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  He absolutely is saying that.
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  Not only if you don't, if you physically can't have kids, but like what if you don't want
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  to too?
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  Well, then you, according to him, you're doing something wrong.
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  You are not fulfilling God's calling on your life.
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  And that's the issue here is like, I mean, again, you get to have the opinions that you
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  want to have.
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  I'm not going to approve of them, but you stick God's name in it and it becomes something
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  really terrible.
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  And I think you can, I mean, you see that throughout history, right?
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  Like anytime you have religious authorities ruling a country, things like that, and they'll
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  stick God's name on what they want to have happen.
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  Like well, I want you to do this.
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  So I'm going to say God told me I am ordained.
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  Right.
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  And it becomes extremely manipulative because you call someone's eternity into question.
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  You call someone's relationship with their creator into question.
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  Like if I don't believe that my greatest calling is to be a wife and mother, then I'm going
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  against God and the natural order of things and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
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  We would argue to say you are more.
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  And again, like if you want to be a wife and mother, and that is all you've ever wanted
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  to be, all the more power to you.
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  Oh, absolutely.
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  Follow your bliss.
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  Yeah.
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  But saying all women's greatest callings by God is to be a wife and mother, that's, it's
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  just not true.
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  Right.
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  And so we have a really wonderful cousin and she gave a speech.
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  We do have a lot of great cousins.
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  We have a really, we have a my big fat Greek wedding style family and we're all super close,
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  but one of our cousins, she is an incredible speaker and she's, I believe she gave this
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  speech last weekend and she had us read over it.
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  And one of the points that she made that I thought was so impactful was that even if
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  you decide to be a stay at home mom and that is what you want out of life, your greatest
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  calling still is not to be a wife and mother, it is to share God's love with the world,
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  to go and make disciples of the world.
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  That is your greatest calling.
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  That's everybody's greatest calling.
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  Exactly.
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  Not that your spouse and children are not important if you choose to have a spouse and
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  child, but that even within that, they are not your greatest calling.
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  God called you to more.
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  And you can see that throughout the Bible as God calls his apostles to go take his word
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  further as Deborah spreads God's love and God's, well, I don't know that she spread
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  God love.
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  She spread it.
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  She spread it.
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  She spread it.
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  Deborah didn't.
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  I don't know if love is what I would describe Deborah's.
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  She spread the rage.
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  I mean, yeah, a little bit.
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  But like, and Phoebe and, you know, all of these women of the Bible, that was their greatest
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  calling.
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  Some of them were wives and mothers also, also a large calling for them from God, but
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  not their greatest calling.
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  Who was Anna?
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  Anna, Anna, it might've been Anna who was widowed and then just spent her days in the
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  church.
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  Yeah.
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  That was her whole calling is to live in the church.
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  She spent her life dedicated to Christ.
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  Yeah, exactly.
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  Speaking of spending your life dedicated to Christ, the Benedictine monks, not monks,
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  I'm sorry, nuns, thank you.
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  They have made a statement about this.
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  I love a nun.
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  Okay, so they have kind of denounced his speech, which I think is funny because this was a
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  Benedictine college.
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  Yeah.
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  So the nuns are pissed at him.
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  Saying pissed does not mean I have to mark this as explicit.
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  Piss, piss, piss.
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  There's like a little button when I post like, is this explicit?
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  And the one time we said boobs like 12 times, I was like, maybe?
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  I don't think boobs is explicit.
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  Anyway, this might be.
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  So they said, instead of promoting unity in our church, our nation, and the world, his
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  comments seem to have fostered division.
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  That's good, nuns.
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  Nice work.
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  So they were not happy because, and I believe they, I'm gonna try and find it, they go on
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  to say that they, as a group, do not have a calling as wives and mothers.
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  Yeah.
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  They have dedicated their lives to God.
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  And are you really going to walk into a group of nuns and tell them you're doing something
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  wrong in God's eyes here as you've dedicated your entire life to God?
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  They're either going to beat you up or they're going to sing to you.
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  There's no in between.
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  I think we've watched them too many times.
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  We've got to remember that.
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  We'll save it as that.
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  So the nuns are pissed.
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  But I want to talk about what you said about Travis Kelsey's response.
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  So Travi, if you don't know him, Taylor Swift's boy.
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  That feels reductive.
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  Also is on the Kansas City Chiefs and he responded to Harrison's speech.
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  Speech.
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  Whatever.
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  Garbage.
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  Also, Harrison quoted Taylor Swift in his speech.
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  Yes.
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  Taylor Swift, who's brought so much money and fame to the Kansas City Chiefs and you're
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  telling her that her grade is going.
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  If you could just give up everything you're doing right now, Taylor, and go be a wife
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  and mom, give up all of your dreams and let him have his dreams, I think that would be
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  good.
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  I know that you're probably excited doing what you're doing, but.
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  But that's not what God wanted for you.
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  So just quit now.
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  That's enough bedazzles.
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  And she is such a strong feminist.
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  So to use her words in that, I'm a little surprised we haven't heard more from her.
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  Or she just doesn't want to give him the time of day.
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  That's very possible.
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  He has gotten a lot of press out of this.
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  And frankly, so this is a slight side note as we get to 23 minutes.
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  I think all of this was very planned out on his part because you look at his quote from
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  Taylor Swift, like why would you do that?
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  What a choice.
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  This girl goes to all of your games.
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  Is that really the enemy you want to make?
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  He in my mind wanted as much press as humanly possible because Travis Kelsey has gotten
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  all of the attention for the last season.
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  I mean, for goodness sake, in my house, we've actually turned on a football game or two
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  because my daughter wants to see Taylor Swift at the football game.
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  Your nine year old daughter is like, let's turn on football.
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  And every time she hears Travis Kelsey mentioned, it's like, Taylor Swift, why?
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  For Halloween, she wants to dress up as Taylor Swift and she wants her two year old brother
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  to dress up as Travis Kelsey.
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  I'm not even kidding.
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  But he's gotten all the attention this season, right?
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  From people that don't watch football at all.
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  I mean, I know the names of these people.
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  I know.
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  Who am I?
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  I know.
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  What on earth?
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  I might know this is totally a theory, totally in Alyssa's own head.
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  But my thought is that he did this intentionally.
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  The man's 27 years old, okay?
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  He's a baby.
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  He's a baby.
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  His brain hasn't even fully developed.
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  He does not.
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  He's a baby.
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  He doesn't know what he's talking about in this realm.
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  It's not like he's sitting there researching this.
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  He didn't go to seminary.
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  Don't give me this crap.
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  He could go to the Catholic college.
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  He could.
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  I don't know.
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  I'm not talking about Christian college.
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  I'm talking about seminary, where you study the Bible.
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  And I think he brought Taylor Swift into it.
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  He brought all of these things into it, knowing full well that he's not going to get fired
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  because the NFL has a track record of backing people, whether they're abusive or not, whether
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  they're saying garbage or not.
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  Because it's all about the game.
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  Right.
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  I mean, the NFL has done this countless times.
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  So he knows he's not going to get fired, but he also knows he's going to get all kinds
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  of attention for this.
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  So that's my theory.
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  Little offshoot there.
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  Yeah.
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  But circling back.
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  Circling back.
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  Travis essentially said, I don't really agree with him, but he can have the opinions he
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  wants to have.
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  And he's a really nice guy.
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  I'm sure.
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  To you.
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  Yeah.
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  Sure.
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  Because you're a man.
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  So I had said, I think a while back, I want to change it up because sexism gets a lot
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  of excuses.
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  Well, it's just his beliefs and I don't want to disregard what he believes and blah, blah,
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  blah.
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  You can think what you want to think and I can think what I want to think.
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  Exactly.
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  But let's put this in a different context for a minute.
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  Now he put down a lot of other groups, but let's change this particular statement where
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  he talks about women and pretend it's instead of sexist, racist.
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  Let's say he's speaking to people of a different race.
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  And he says, essentially, stay where I've put you.
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  Follow the rules that I say you should follow.
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  Your highest calling is what I tell you it is and no higher.
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  Don't dream bigger than this.
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  And I'm saying this because I believe God wants that for you too.
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  This is on behalf of the creator.
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  You as someone of a different race than me needs to stay under my authority, under my
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  thumb, do as I tell you, your highest calling is what I tell you it is because God said
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  so.
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  And then someone's like, well, you're allowed to have your opinions.
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  If he had done that, that wouldn't be the conversation.
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  No, it would be all over the news.
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  He is a racist.
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  He is awful.
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  If you kick him off of the NFL, no one can ever speak his name again.
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  Throw him in the trash.
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  But because it's against women, we make all kinds of excuses for it.
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  Well, it's just his religion.
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  It's just his faith.
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  And I can't tell someone what to believe.
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  We need diversity.
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  We do need diversity, but we don't need diversity that puts down other people.
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  That's not the kind of diversity we need.
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  We need diversity of people, different races, different genders, different all kinds of things.
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  It really upsets me that the response to this has been, well, you know, it's his faith.
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  It's his religion.
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  He's a, I promise he's a really good guy.
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  This doesn't sound like a good guy to me.
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  And the thing is, if someone is kind to you, is nice to you, that doesn't mean that behind
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  closed doors they are that way.
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  Because to me, this speech says, I keep my wife under my thumb.
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  She does what I tell her to do.
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  She follows me wherever I want to go because I have big dreams.
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  And look at me go.
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  Right.
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  I'm barely even gonna say her name because she's not important in this conversation.
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  The only reason he brought her up at all was to tell women where they should go.
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  Well, because it seems to add some credibility.
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  If you can say, well, there is actually a woman that loves this.
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  Now it'd be a totally different story if she got up there.
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  I wouldn't agree with her either.
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  But if she got up there and was like, yes, your greatest calling is to be a wife and
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  mother, I know this because that's my life.
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  But instead, he's telling all of the women where they should go, what they should do,
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  what they should dream about.
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  Well, and let's pull it completely out of women versus men kind of thing and just say,
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  nowhere in the Bible does God tell us as Christ followers to tell other Christ followers what
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  he's telling them to do.
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  Right.
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  Because I am not your intermediary.
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  You can talk to God and figure out what God wants from you.
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  And you should think if you think that I am a good Christian, you should assume that I
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  can also talk to God and figure out what he wants me to do.
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  Not that you need to tell me what God, like that's, that's just clunky.
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  I also think, I don't know if this is a fully formed thought or not, but in a church service
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  one time they were talking about if you really believe that something like another Christ
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  follower is doing is wrong, you're not just supposed to walk up to them and say what you're
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  doing is wrong in the name of God.
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  You're supposed to create a bond and a relationship with that person.
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  And then when God tells you that it's right, then you might be able to gently bring it
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  up to that person.
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  But you're not just supposed to walk up to them, slap them in the face and say, see you
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  by what you're doing is wrong.
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  Or get up on a stage and tell a whole bunch of people that you think what they're doing
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  is wrong.
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  Because that is not spreading the love of Jesus.
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  Well that's simply spreading judgment.
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  Divide.
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  Right.
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  Well, exactly what the nuns said.
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  It's creating division.
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  Because now the response from the Christian community has been interesting because you
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  have the people that are like, oh yeah, he's championing traditional whatever, you know,
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  a traditional livelihood.
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  And then you have the people like us sitting here saying, no, he's being super sexist and
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  terrible and we have no support for anything that he's saying.
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  And so now you've got division in the church.
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  Not division that wasn't there at all, but you're simply highlighting it is what's happening.
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  You're taking something that could have been a discussion between friends and turning it
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  into a fight.
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  Right.
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  And yeah, to some degree on this podcast, like we're starting a little bit of a fight.
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  But we're doing it, I hope, in such a way that's opening up conversations in families,
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  for women, in churches, wherever we happen to reach you.
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  I hope that it can start a conversation.
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  And I hope that we're providing some of the resources to in a very educated way start
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  that conversation.
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  You're slightly more educated than me.
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  I don't think so.
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  You're right, I'm brilliant.
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  But we're both learning as we go.
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  And I think we said that in the first episode.
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  We are learning all of this with you.
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  And the reason that we do it is because things like this have started a fire in us.
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  All week, Brianna has been talking about like, we need to talk about Harrison Becker.
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  So finally here we are after church recording about it.
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  But I think that's why we're here.
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  That's why we're doing this, because this all has made us super passionate about something.
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  And I believe that today, right now, sharing this with all of you and talking about this
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  with all of you is my greatest calling.
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  Because I think that God has asked this of me.
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  God has asked me to stop sexism from being a part of the churches that we're in.
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  And I don't think I can do that 100%.
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  I don't think Bri can do that 100%.
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  I can.
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  We do this together because we hope that it can affect just a couple of people.
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  Like the song that we sang in church today, Who Am I To Deny What The Lord Can Do?
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  Because what was the other song that we sang?
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  I can see that it was very impactful to you.
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  It was good!
• 30:45
  They were all good.
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  So next week, because now we only have a week between episodes, hopefully we can stick with
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  this and make sure that we get some mini episodes up for you guys.
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  So next week is going to be part two of our submission series.
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  The biggest.
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  The big-est.
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  I was like when you were like, dot dot dot, it's submission.
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  I just wanted to be clear.
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  Before people thought we were cussing online.
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  So you will hear about another article.
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  So the last week we talked about a lot of the main points that get made to say that
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  submission was before the fall, so before sin entered the world and that it was God's
• 31:28
  perfect plan for humanity.
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  And I hope you listened to that one.
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  If you didn't, definitely bounce back and listen to it.
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  It was great.
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  We had a lot of fun.
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  We had a lot of rage.
• 31:38
  We had a lot of rage.
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  We need to work on that.
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  It's fine.
• 31:41
  It's female rage.
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  The musical.
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  Right!
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  We're going to have to stop saying that once she copyrights it.
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  I feel like that is definitely, if you've ever driven in a car with me, that is female
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  rage the musical.
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  Because not only am I raging, but also the music's on.
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  And sometimes it's Taylor Swift.
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  Yeah.
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  A lot of the times.
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  So next week we're going to talk about another article and she goes into the passage in Ephesians
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  that talks about submission.
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  And she breaks it down and talks about... she doesn't sing.
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  She breaks it down.
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  No, she doesn't.
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  And talks about what it really means.
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  She breaks the Greek words out and things like that.
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  So we'll talk through that.
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  And that one's also really fun.
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  I'm super excited for that one.
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  Shout out to all the really educated, wonderful women out there who are...
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  I think they're making waves in this space.
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  Yeah.
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  And maybe that's us too.
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  Good for us.
• 32:41
  Yeah, yes.
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  So definitely tune in next week.
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  If you haven't, follow us on our social media.
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  We're on Instagram, Facebook, TikTok, YouTube, all the places.
• 32:53
  I think Bree has been filming some TikToks as I've been doing this, but I'm not sure.
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  I did.
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  Okay, good.
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  I have a pretty nice picture of myself.
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  I look good today.
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  Okay, guys.
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  We'll see you next week.