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The Kenny Report | 27 January · The Kenny Report

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  Speaker 1: Live from the Sky New Center. This is the Kenny Report.
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  Speaker 2: Great stuff, Ross just what we need. Hey, interest rates
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  Speaker 2: going up again. Thanks for joining me Tonight. A man
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  Speaker 2: faces hate speech laws for allegedly demonizing Jews, but the
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  Speaker 2: government bans another Israeli commentator from Australia. On Holocaust Remembrance Day,
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  Speaker 2: Israel retrieves the last of its hostages from Gaza. I'll
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  Speaker 2: speak with an Australian author whose mother survived OUs which.
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  Speaker 1: Should burning the flag be a crime?
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  Speaker 2: Will take up the debate in the wake of Australia
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  Speaker 2: Day chaos and killings on the streets of Minnesota. I'll
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  Speaker 2: cross to Kristen Tate in the US. Plus the liberal
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  Speaker 2: leadership Shenanigans continue heat waves, electricity shambles, and plenty more
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  Speaker 2: with Tim Blair, Stephen Senna, Tiempo and Suzi O'Brien.
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  Speaker 1: Let's get cracking.
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  Speaker 2: Today is Holocaust Remembrance Day. It is commemorated on this
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  Speaker 2: date because this is the day eighty one years ago
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  Speaker 2: that Soviet troops liberated OUs Witch Birkenau, the notorious concentration camps,
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  Speaker 2: industrial scale killing facilities in southern Poland that forever now
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  Speaker 2: remind us and warn us about the potential hatred and
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  Speaker 2: depravity of humankind.
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  Speaker 1: As I told you last week.
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  Speaker 2: I visited our switch Berkenu with my family just a
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  Speaker 2: few weeks ago, and it's difficult to comprehend and process anyway.
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  Speaker 2: Given its Holocaust remembrance day, the timing was appropriate in
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  Speaker 2: many ways for the news that Israel has recovered the
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  Speaker 2: remains of the final hostage from October seventh, twenty twenty three.
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  Speaker 2: Military policeman Ran Gevili was twenty four years old when
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  Speaker 2: he was killed by Humas terrorists during those atrocities. His
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  Speaker 2: body then stolen away into Gaza to be held as
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  Speaker 2: a bar argoning chip for more than two years. When
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  Speaker 2: Israeli soldiers secured his remains yesterday, they sang songs of unity,
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  Speaker 2: defiance and remembrance. Yeah, they're very moving scenes, aren't they.
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  Speaker 2: Gavini was killed defending civilians from the terrorists. The IDEF
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  Speaker 2: have worked assidually assiduously to recover Gavilli's remains, with a
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  Speaker 2: terrorist group Islamic g had believed to have moved them
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  Speaker 2: several times. It means so much to the family and
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  Speaker 2: the Israeli nation to have their citizens' remains returned home
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  Speaker 2: for a proper burial. Today, Holocaust Remembrance Day twenty twenty
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  Speaker 2: six is the first day in more than ten years
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  Speaker 2: that no Israeli hostage, a live or dead, has been
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  Speaker 2: held in Gaza. Yep, there were hostages long before October seventh.
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  Speaker 2: This clears the way for more progress on the peace
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  Speaker 2: process in Gaza, with Israel opening the Rafa crossing between
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  Speaker 2: Gaza and Egypt under strict supervision, and this marks a
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  Speaker 2: crucial point of closure for so many Israelis and Jews
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  Speaker 2: right around the world. The Israeli President Isaac Herzog led
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  Speaker 2: the way by unpinning his yellow ribbon, the ribbon for
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  Speaker 2: the hostages, marking this critical moment when every one of
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  Speaker 2: the two hundred and fifty one hostages has been recovered
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  Speaker 2: and returned to Israel. Eighty four of them were killed,
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  Speaker 2: with only their remains returned. Yeah, the hostage holding is
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  Speaker 2: over after eight hundred and forty three days. It is
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  Speaker 2: astonishing that all hostages are accounted for, even though eighty
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  Speaker 2: four were killed, they are all home. It's a tragedy,
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  Speaker 2: but this resolution to bring them home is also a
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  Speaker 2: testament to the determination and resilience of the Israeli nation.
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  Speaker 1: Just on due hatred anti Semitism.
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  Speaker 2: This is an ugly prejudice that tends to unite the
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  Speaker 2: hard left and the hard right. So while extreme leftist
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  Speaker 2: protesters were chanting for inter fada on the streets of
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  Speaker 2: our cities yesterday, other extreme right protesters were allegedly telling
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  Speaker 2: people that.
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  Speaker 1: Jews are the enemy of our nation.
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  Speaker 2: There was a follow up in court today from that
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  Speaker 2: rant that I mentioned on the program here. Last night,
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  Speaker 2: a thirty one year old man, Brandon Koshell, was charged
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  Speaker 2: under race hate laws.
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  Speaker 1: Police opposed bail.
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  Speaker 2: He will now remain in custody until his next court appearance.
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  Speaker 1: On February third.
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  Speaker 2: This is all to the good, of course, but it's
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  Speaker 2: more than two years. In fact, it's eight hundred and
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  Speaker 2: forty two days since we saw terrible anti semitism on
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  Speaker 2: our streets in Australia. On October the eighth, twenty twenty three,
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  Speaker 2: we saw gatherings celebrate the slaughter of more than twelve
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  Speaker 2: hundred innocent Israelis, describing this as a day of triumph
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  Speaker 2: and elation.
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  Speaker 1: And the following night, of course, we heard chance of
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  Speaker 1: f the Jews and where's the Jews?
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  Speaker 2: And to some ears gas the Jews, and in both
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  Speaker 2: these cases no one was charged.
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  Speaker 1: New South Wales hate speech laws.
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  Speaker 2: Were changed in August last year, so the threshold is
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  Speaker 2: now inciting hatred, not only violence, so that legal change
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  Speaker 2: perhaps helps, But my argument remains that law enforcement agencies
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  Speaker 2: and politicians remain culpable for not at least trying to
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  Speaker 2: prosecute people years ago under the existing hate speech laws.
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  Speaker 2: It remains the case, of course, that our authorities have
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  Speaker 2: not tackled Islam's extremism incitement against Jews, and that is
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  Speaker 2: the main.
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  Speaker 1: Threat we're grappling with.
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  Speaker 2: By way of comparison, watch German police stopping people from
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  Speaker 2: chanting from the river to the sea, which is a slogan,
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  Speaker 2: of course, calling for the elimination of Israel. Say the
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  Speaker 2: river sentence, don't say it.
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  Speaker 1: You said that two times, please stop it. Other ways
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  Speaker 1: we have to arrest you again.
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  Speaker 3: Look here, stop it, not this sentence.
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  Speaker 1: Don't see this. It's forbidden, is forbidden. Don't see it again. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: john't want to do.
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  Speaker 4: It, but forbidden in Germany and they have to arrest you.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Banning speech is a difficult and a major step, but
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  Speaker 2: if there's anything there should be banned. Surely it's people
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  Speaker 2: openly celebrating the murder as well as calling for the
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  Speaker 2: murder and even extermination of an entire race or religion.
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  Speaker 2: Hate begets more hate, and hate begets violence. We've seen that,
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  Speaker 2: and our law enforcement agencies and politicians need to show
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  Speaker 2: more strength and certitude on this. But compounding the weakness
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  Speaker 2: that's seen hate preachers escape charges here in Australia, we've
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  Speaker 2: seen the government, the federal government that is banned mainstream
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  Speaker 2: Israeli politicians and commentators, denying them visas to visit our country.
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  Speaker 2: This is just more of this Albanezi government demonizing Israel.
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  Speaker 2: This surely only fans the flames of hatred. The latest
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  Speaker 2: ban happened yesterday with Israeli commentator Sammy Yrhood having his
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  Speaker 2: visa canceled while he was in the United Arab Emirates
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  Speaker 2: en route to Australia. The Israeli influencer has called for
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  Speaker 2: Islam to be banned and declared that the religion cannot
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  Speaker 2: be trusted to simply coexist. The Home Affairs Minister Tony
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  Speaker 2: Burke says people need to apply for the right visa
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  Speaker 2: for the right reasons. Spreading hatred is not a good
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  Speaker 2: reason to come, Burke says. The minister has now banned
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  Speaker 2: four prominent Israelis from coming to Australia, all at the
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  Speaker 2: last minute, after they'd been booked to speak to Australian audiences.
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  Speaker 2: This is the same minister who has welcomed up to
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  Speaker 2: three thousand people from the terrorist bad land of Gaza
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  Speaker 2: with what could only have been cursory security checks.
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  Speaker 1: He even turned up at the airport to greet some
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  Speaker 1: of them personally.
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  Speaker 2: This is the problem with h speech laws, and these
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  Speaker 2: are canceling laws. We rely on governments and authorities to
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  Speaker 2: apply them fairly and consistently, and sometimes may they don't.
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  Speaker 2: There are no guarantees. Let's stay on hatred and focus
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  Speaker 2: on hatred of our country. Yeah, hatred of Australia. As
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  Speaker 2: you know, thousands of people took to the streets yesterday
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  Speaker 2: not to celebrate Australia Day, but to attack Australia. A
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  Speaker 2: more ignorant, idiotic and antagonistic cause you could never conceive,
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  Speaker 2: but there they were, and some even burned the flag.
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  Speaker 2: Now this has sparked a heated debate about whether this
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  Speaker 2: flag burning should be a criminal offense. It should be
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  Speaker 2: a criminal offense to burn the national flag.
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  Speaker 5: It's about as disgraceful as you get. It's a symbol
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  Speaker 5: of who we are as a nation. We should be
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  Speaker 5: proud of that. If in the nation's capital decided that
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  Speaker 5: that was an offense, we'd certainly support it and we'd
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  Speaker 5: certainly police that.
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  Speaker 2: This again is not a straightforward question. Would police prosecute someone,
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  Speaker 2: perhaps an indigenous person, for burning the Australian flag. Could
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  Speaker 2: that person then be imprisoned? Would that turn them into
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  Speaker 2: a mart and trigger wider protests? The other option is
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  Speaker 2: to accept that anyone burning the flag expressing disdain for
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  Speaker 2: this great country completely undermines the argument of whatever caused
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  Speaker 2: they're backing.
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  Speaker 6: I think most Australians when they saw that yesterday on
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  Speaker 6: the Telly, would have just been shaking their head and thought,
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  Speaker 6: this is not me. You know. We look up to
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  Speaker 6: the flag when it goes up the flag pole at
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  Speaker 6: the Olympic Games.
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  Speaker 1: We stop and admire it. We don't burn it.
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  Speaker 7: We shouldn't be burning the Australian flag, nor should we
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  Speaker 7: be tolerating people burning the Australian flag. But the Labor
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  Speaker 7: Party voted against a change in law to stop the
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  Speaker 7: burning of the flag. So he can say, Jason Cleare
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  Speaker 7: can say, as much as you want, how much he
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  Speaker 7: doesn't like it, he voted to allow people to keep
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  Speaker 7: doing it.
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  Speaker 5: Now.
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  Speaker 2: This comes as the Northern Territory government has made it
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  Speaker 2: compulsory for school students to learn and sing our national anthem.
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  Speaker 2: Most of us probably thought they already did. But just maybe,
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  Speaker 2: with all this Australia hating going on, many people are
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  Speaker 2: waking up and standing up for our nation and its values.
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  Speaker 1: Of course, let's hope. So just on protests.
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  Speaker 2: We all saw the blanket media coverage of yesterday's protests,
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  Speaker 2: and we've all seen the endless coverage of the relentless
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  Speaker 2: pro Palestinian and anti Israeli protests over the past two
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  Speaker 2: years and more. But what about this protest in Sydney
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  Speaker 2: on Sunday?
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  Speaker 1: Did you hear much about this one? Have a look
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  Speaker 1: at them all.
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  Speaker 2: Perhaps ten thousand people chanting against the Iranian regime, protesting
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  Speaker 2: in support of the Iranian people who have bravely, bravely
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  Speaker 2: risen up against their Islamist extremist government.
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  Speaker 1: Thousands have been killed.
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  Speaker 2: Some estimates say more than fifty thousand Iranians have been killed.
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  Speaker 2: But this peaceful protest in Sydney seems to have been
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  Speaker 2: ignored by most media.
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  Speaker 1: I couldn't find any mention of it on the ABC.
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  Speaker 2: To be fair, Channel seven covered a protest at the
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  Speaker 2: US Consulate a couple of days earlier, so that's a
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  Speaker 2: good thing. But seriously, it seems the Iranian regime is
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  Speaker 2: killed more innocent citizens than were killed in Gaza during
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  Speaker 2: two years of war. Most of those killed in Gaza were,
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  Speaker 2: of course Hamas terrists or operatives, Yet the protests here
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  Speaker 2: get next to no coverage. The innocent lives of Iranians
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  Speaker 2: don't a mention. One of the few organizations to cover
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  Speaker 2: the protests on Sunday was the Australian Jewish News. Now,
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  Speaker 2: this Iranian theocratic regime is the same Islamist regime that
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  Speaker 2: funded Hamas, that controls Hezbalah, and that is committed to
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  Speaker 2: the destruction of Israel. But the media doesn't seem to
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  Speaker 2: care so much when this regime kills tens of thousands
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  Speaker 2: of its own citizens, especially women who want to break
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  Speaker 2: the shackles of a shockingly brutal and sexist regime. Seriously,
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  Speaker 2: the anti Israel mob, the hard left, and the Islamist
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  Speaker 2: hardliners really need to get hold of a moral compass,
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  Speaker 2: don't they. Let's catch up with the Shadow Attorney General,
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  Speaker 2: Andrew wallaceho joins us from the Sunshine Coast.
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  Speaker 1: Good to talk to you. Andrew.
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  Speaker 2: First, up your thoughts on whether it should be against
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  Speaker 2: the Lord to burn the Australian flag. Could that create
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  Speaker 2: more strife than it resolves?
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  Speaker 8: Well, Chris, the Labor Party had an opportunity to vote
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  Speaker 8: with the opposition just last week when Phil Thompson tried
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  Speaker 8: to introduce an amendment to the bill that we were
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  Speaker 8: debating and the Labor Party voted it down.
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  Speaker 1: We were all ready to go.
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  Speaker 8: We think that one hundred and three thousand, one hundred
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  Speaker 8: and three thousand Australians have died with that flag on
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  Speaker 8: their left shoulder, and we think that it deserves a
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  Speaker 8: great amount of respect and to see all manner of
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  Speaker 8: people disrespecting the flag is an absolute disgrace and.
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  Speaker 1: There should be consequences.
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  Speaker 8: I would look actually looked into some of the penalties
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  Speaker 8: around the world for desecrating other countries flags and it's
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  Speaker 8: anywhere between no penalty and twelve years imprisonment. So the
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  Speaker 8: penalty that we put in in Phil Thompson's amendment was
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  Speaker 8: two years, which is consistent.
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  Speaker 1: With a number of other countries. But there needs to
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  Speaker 1: be consequences.
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  Speaker 8: For these people who are willing to desecrate our national flag.
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  Speaker 2: So it sounds like the coalitional press ahead with that.
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  Speaker 2: I know you obviously, as we showed at the top
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  Speaker 2: of the program, the premier there in Queensland is keen
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  Speaker 2: for that to happen and says his police force would
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  Speaker 2: be happy to enforce it. I want to bring you
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  Speaker 2: to another story in the wake of Bondai, a story
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  Speaker 2: broken on Sky and News this afternoon by Andrew clonel
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  Speaker 2: and it relates to a victim of the Bondai terror attack,
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  Speaker 2: Rosalie Shitburg, and she was treated in a Western Sydney hospital.
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  Speaker 2: In the Liverpool Hospital, they changed her name on her
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  Speaker 2: records and on her medication and all the rest of
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  Speaker 2: it to an Anglo name, Karen Jones. They changed the
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  Speaker 2: name to without her permission. Now she worries that this
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  Speaker 2: was to protect her from staff at the hospital. We
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  Speaker 2: remember that horrible case still before the courts where some
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  Speaker 2: nurses were wishing death upon Jewish patients. Here's what the
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  Speaker 2: new South Wales Health Minister Ryan Parkers had to say.
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  Speaker 4: The reason why is because we were obviously at that
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  Speaker 4: time dealing with a heightened security threat in and around
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  Speaker 4: Sydney and there was the decision made at a local
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  Speaker 4: level that we would try and do that in order
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  Speaker 4: to protect her.
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  Speaker 9: It wasn't I want to.
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  Speaker 4: Be clear about this, It wasn't about protecting her from
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  Speaker 4: staff or staff from different ethnic backgrounds.
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  Speaker 1: That's not the case.
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  Speaker 4: This was a decision made locally. Could it have been
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  Speaker 4: handled better through better discussion and dialogue with Rosalia and Greg?
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  Speaker 1: Of course it could.
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  Speaker 2: Off here Rosalie Schick became Karen Jones. Do you buy
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  Speaker 2: the minister's argument here or do we need to know
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  Speaker 2: more about this? Well?
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  Speaker 8: Look, I certainly think there needs to be further investigations
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  Speaker 8: as to why this happened in the first instance, why
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  Speaker 8: they simply knew South Wales's Health made this decision on
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  Speaker 8: its own bat without even consulting the patient in the
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  Speaker 8: first instance. You know, a simple question, look, given the
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  Speaker 8: security circumstances, given that what's happened in BONDI, you know,
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  Speaker 8: would you like to go under an alias? It would
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  Speaker 8: seem to me to be a perfect question to ask,
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  Speaker 8: but unfortunately it wasn't and I saw the piece from
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  Speaker 8: Andrew Clenell and clearly Rosalie is very upset, and I
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  Speaker 8: think she's got good reason to be upset.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's an extraordinary thing to happen, especially without your consent.
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  Speaker 1: We'll see what the follow up is there.
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  Speaker 2: I want to get back to federal politics and the
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  Speaker 2: Liberal leadership.
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  Speaker 1: Do you support Susan Lee staying in the job? You
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  Speaker 1: bet your I do, Chris.
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  Speaker 8: I think Susan Lee has done an absolutely outstanding job.
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  Speaker 8: It's the most difficult job in Australian politics, particularly at
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  Speaker 8: the moment.
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  Speaker 1: And what I think is lost on a lot of
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  Speaker 1: people is.
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  Speaker 8: That the last News poll identified that Susan is the
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  Speaker 8: preferred prime minister in Victoria and Queensland, and amongst women,
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  Speaker 8: she's the preferred prime minister across the country.
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  Speaker 2: Because a lot of people have led the opposition in
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  Speaker 2: the past, but none of them have delivered a lower
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  Speaker 2: primary vote in the opinion polls.
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  Speaker 1: Surely that's an indictment on her. Well, it's been a very.
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  Speaker 8: Difficult time for everybody. I think that there is a
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  Speaker 8: you know, obviously there is a movement, there's an anger
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  Speaker 8: towards Anthony Albanesi and everything that he's done, whether it
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  Speaker 8: be he's response to Bondi or these mismanagement of the economy.
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  Speaker 8: And you know, I think that there's actually a lurch
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  Speaker 8: in Australia to the right. Look, there's a lot of
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  Speaker 8: heat and color and movement about one nation at the moment,
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  Speaker 8: but ultimately people know that one Nation is a protest party.
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  Speaker 8: They are not a party of government, never have been,
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  Speaker 8: never will be. Well, they only hold one seat in
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  Speaker 8: the House of Representatives and that's because Barnaby defected from
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  Speaker 8: the Nationals.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, but if there's a lurch to the right, then
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  Speaker 2: you'd think the coalition parties, the Liberal and the Nationals
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  Speaker 2: would be able to actually grab some of that lurch.
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  Speaker 1: But it is all going to one nation.
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  Speaker 2: Looks before we get back to parliament, before there can
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  Speaker 2: be a spill that none has been declared yet.
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  Speaker 1: Susan Lee probably needs to announce.
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  Speaker 2: Her new shadow cabinet, filling up those spaces from the
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  Speaker 2: three Nationals whose resignations she accepted. Should she bring just
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  Speaker 2: into Namba, jimper Price and Andrew Hasty back onto the
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  Speaker 2: back into the shadow cabinet.
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  Speaker 1: Well, ultimately that's a matter for Susan.
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  Speaker 8: Yes, but do you think she should have my views
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  Speaker 8: about Well, look, Chris, I'm not going to give you
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  Speaker 8: a blow by blow description of the conversations I've had
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  Speaker 8: with Susan. I've offered my gratuitous, unsolicited advice to Susan
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  Speaker 8: on that it's not just three members. But Chris, I
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  Speaker 8: think ultimately Susan's in a difficult spot here because once
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  Speaker 8: you go past that lexicon, once you pass that point
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  Speaker 8: of appointing a fully liberal front bench, once you've done that,
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  Speaker 8: it's very hard to take those positions, sure is, some
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  Speaker 8: of those people and return them to the Gnats.
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  Speaker 1: And that's what I think Susan's.
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  Speaker 8: Really grappling with at the moment, because we all want
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  Speaker 8: to get the Libs and the Gnats back together in
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  Speaker 8: a coalition, or at least on my side, we do.
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  Speaker 8: We're stronger together, we're better together. The country needs an
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  Speaker 8: effective opposition and that is best done through a liberal
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  Speaker 8: national coalition.
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  Speaker 2: And as you rightly point out, it wasn't just those
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  Speaker 2: three who resigned. Of course, those threes at resignations she
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  Speaker 2: accepted trigger the walkout of all in that so there's
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  Speaker 2: a stack.
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  Speaker 1: Of front bench positions up for grabs.
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  Speaker 2: You'd think she'd have to bring in Andrew Hasty and
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  Speaker 2: just said the Namagibbert price, but that would create all
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  Speaker 2: sorts of trauma as well.
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  Speaker 1: Thanks for joining us, Andrew, I appreciate it.
• 21:17
  Speaker 2: Andrew Wallace at the Shadow Attorney General in the Federal
• 21:21
  Speaker 2: Liberal Party. Much to unfolding coming days. In all of this,
• 21:24
  Speaker 2: let's go to the Davy Telegraph's Tim Blair and restore
• 21:29
  Speaker 2: some sanity to what's going on. If things aren't crazy
• 21:32
  Speaker 2: enough crazy enough in Australia at the moment. You've been
• 21:35
  Speaker 2: having a look at Davos, or as I like to
• 21:37
  Speaker 2: call it DeVos, as they meet every January in Switzerland,
• 21:41
  Speaker 2: and they all turn up in their private jets, but
• 21:44
  Speaker 2: you reckon they've actually they've come face to face with
• 21:47
  Speaker 2: reality when it comes to electricity and energy at Davos.
• 21:52
  Speaker 9: Yeah, over Davos joined. It used to be the case
• 21:55
  Speaker 9: that they're all they were very up for all sort
• 21:58
  Speaker 9: of climate change stuff, and you'd have these various zillionaires
• 22:01
  Speaker 9: and government chiefs and representatives of various NGOs and so
• 22:06
  Speaker 9: saying how much they needed climate action and was always
• 22:10
  Speaker 9: going to cost everyone a lot of money, especially in Australia.
• 22:13
  Speaker 9: But now they've turned right around. Chris there, they're all
• 22:18
  Speaker 9: they're all concerned about not having enough reliable electricity. And
• 22:21
  Speaker 9: that's because they're now, of course all investing in AI,
• 22:25
  Speaker 9: which requires gigantic amounts of power, and they're suddenly realizing that, hey,
• 22:29
  Speaker 9: there are limits to this solar and wind caper. We
• 22:31
  Speaker 9: really need nuclear and coal.
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 22:35
  Speaker 2: So they didn't mind the power being too expensive and
• 22:38
  Speaker 2: unreliable when it was just powering air conditioners and televisions
• 22:42
  Speaker 2: for humble people like us. But now that their AI
• 22:46
  Speaker 2: investments are on the line, they suddenly realized they need
• 22:49
  Speaker 2: stacks of.
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: Electricity and it needs to be reliable.
• 22:53
  Speaker 2: It's a good pickup mate to see how they've changed
• 22:56
  Speaker 2: their tune at Davos on that. I want to get
• 22:58
  Speaker 2: to electric vehicles as well, because there's some.
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: Conflicting information around.
• 23:02
  Speaker 2: Have a look at, for instance, our beloved Climate and
• 23:05
  Speaker 2: Energy Minister Chris Bowen.
• 23:09
  Speaker 8: We've got more than four hundred Australian today now buying
• 23:11
  Speaker 8: an EV or a hybrid.
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: We've got to keep up with a charging we're doing that.
• 23:16
  Speaker 9: This is a great partnership between the Albernezi Gunment and
• 23:18
  Speaker 9: amphole open for business.
• 23:20
  Speaker 2: Look, I've seen him also on Instagram very recently. Tim
• 23:24
  Speaker 2: say that EV or including ev and hybrid cars have
• 23:29
  Speaker 2: outstripped the sales of Petron diesel cars, that he's winning
• 23:33
  Speaker 2: this push for the vehicles electric vehicles in the country.
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: But it's not the case. Is that the stats show otherwise.
• 23:41
  Speaker 9: Well, the word hybrid in that calculation is doing a
• 23:45
  Speaker 9: lot of work. Yeah, if you're going to plump evs
• 23:48
  Speaker 9: and hybrids in the same category, well, we've had hybrids
• 23:51
  Speaker 9: around in Australia for a long time, since the early
• 23:53
  Speaker 9: two thousands. I think the Toyota was the pioneer with
• 23:56
  Speaker 9: hybrid technology. Hybrid just means you get an electric engine
• 23:59
  Speaker 9: going along for the ride. You don't necessarily have to
• 24:01
  Speaker 9: recharge a hybrid. With most of them you don't, and
• 24:04
  Speaker 9: you know they're primarily petrol with this little mate a
• 24:08
  Speaker 9: little electric pal to help you out. So if he's
• 24:11
  Speaker 9: adding that into it, I think I hate to say it,
• 24:15
  Speaker 9: but I think I think Minister Bowen might be just
• 24:17
  Speaker 9: filming a little bit.
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that explains it. Absolutely.
• 24:21
  Speaker 2: He ropes in the hybrids with the evs, there's a
• 24:23
  Speaker 2: bit of electro. He may as well chuck in the
• 24:25
  Speaker 2: petrol and diesel engines too, because they all have alternators,
• 24:28
  Speaker 2: they have batteries.
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: There's a bit of electricity in them as well, especially
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: with petrol. You need this spark.
• 24:35
  Speaker 2: I've got to pick up on this release today from
• 24:38
  Speaker 2: Monique Ryan, the mother teal of the Seed of Kewyong
• 24:43
  Speaker 2: in Melbourne. We name cyclones, she reckons, so we should
• 24:47
  Speaker 2: name killer heat waves. What do we say that, you know,
• 24:52
  Speaker 2: when it gets really wet in winter, we like to
• 24:53
  Speaker 2: say it's flattering down now.
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: So we've got three hot days in a row. It's
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: going to Monique next week.
• 25:00
  Speaker 9: Well, according to according to met Ryan, we need to
• 25:03
  Speaker 9: identify heat waves by names so we can shame, you know,
• 25:08
  Speaker 9: the people who cause it. Which it's going to be
• 25:10
  Speaker 9: a very boring kind of thing, because if, as she claims,
• 25:15
  Speaker 9: all all of all heat waves are generated by excessive
• 25:19
  Speaker 9: carbon dark side output, isn't every storm or every heat
• 25:23
  Speaker 9: wave going to be just named China? I mean, isn't
• 25:27
  Speaker 9: isn't every every extreme weather of victory named? We've got
• 25:30
  Speaker 9: a zjing ping again. This is terrible. I don't think
• 25:33
  Speaker 9: she's really thought this through, although like I am personally
• 25:36
  Speaker 9: like I'm up for having a heat wave named after me.
• 25:40
  Speaker 9: This might be my life's work. I'm seriously, I'm in
• 25:42
  Speaker 9: contact with I'll be in contact with Monique Ryan's office,
• 25:45
  Speaker 9: petitioning them. I want heat wave Blair by next year.
• 25:49
  Speaker 2: Come on the heat Wave Blair project. I've got some
• 25:52
  Speaker 2: other ideas for names. Let's have a look at the
• 25:55
  Speaker 2: Monique Ryan herself has given us some ideas for heat
• 25:57
  Speaker 2: wave names.
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: Have a look of this one.
• 26:00
  Speaker 9: Put your masks on, Put your masks on.
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: Put your masks on the mask mandate heat wave.
• 26:07
  Speaker 2: That would work. Or her husband, what about her husband.
• 26:10
  Speaker 2: Let's have a look at her husband during the last
• 26:12
  Speaker 2: federal election campaign. You know, the Placard Steeler heat wave.
• 26:21
  Speaker 9: Oh god, she's adorable. I hope I hope she runs
• 26:25
  Speaker 9: over us forever down and that crates a little part
• 26:26
  Speaker 9: of melwid. It would be sort of nice if all
• 26:32
  Speaker 9: the metaphors didn't really work. Again, I get back to
• 26:35
  Speaker 9: this point of not thinking it through. She's also saying,
• 26:38
  Speaker 9: you know, we used to shame cigarette brands and so on.
• 26:41
  Speaker 9: But isn't it like talking about free advertising, Like if
• 26:44
  Speaker 9: she's if she's going to put the names of multinational
• 26:47
  Speaker 9: you know, coal mining and electricity and oil firms all
• 26:50
  Speaker 9: over heat waves just bonus ads for everybody. Go for it,
• 26:54
  Speaker 9: go for it tales.
• 26:55
  Speaker 2: She also forgets the most important point is that, and
• 26:57
  Speaker 2: that is that we've always had heat waves other.
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: Land of drought and flooding rains.
• 27:01
  Speaker 2: And while our hearts are with so many people who
• 27:04
  Speaker 2: are battling searing heat and Victoria and South Australia at
• 27:07
  Speaker 2: the moment and bushfires, the fact is we've always had
• 27:10
  Speaker 2: him and we always will. Thanks for joining us, Tim
• 27:13
  Speaker 2: love your cut through common sense. Tim Blair there will
• 27:15
  Speaker 2: catch up with him Thursday as well that you read
• 27:17
  Speaker 2: him in the Daily Telegraph. We're going to take a
• 27:19
  Speaker 2: break on the other side of it. I'll get it
• 27:20
  Speaker 2: back into Holocaust Remembrance Day because I want to speak
• 27:23
  Speaker 2: with an Australian author whose mother survived Ouswitch. It is
• 27:32
  Speaker 2: an important day today to mention, to mark, to commemorate,
• 27:36
  Speaker 2: especially given what's been going on in the world and
• 27:39
  Speaker 2: on our own shores in the past two years and more.
• 27:41
  Speaker 2: It's International Holocaust Remembrance Day, marking the anniversary of the
• 27:46
  Speaker 2: liberation of the Ousewitch Burke and our concentration camps back
• 27:49
  Speaker 2: in nineteen forty five.
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: My next guest is a journalist and author who's.
• 27:54
  Speaker 2: Written a book about her mum's life enduring four concentration
• 27:58
  Speaker 2: camps before coming to Australia. It's called A Brilliant Life,
• 28:02
  Speaker 2: My Mother's Inspiring Story of Surviving the Holocaust. It's written
• 28:06
  Speaker 2: by Rachel Unraich. She joins me from Melbourne. Good to
• 28:10
  Speaker 2: talk to you again, RACHELA. I read your book last
• 28:13
  Speaker 2: year because.
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: We shared.
• 28:16
  Speaker 2: A speaking engagement where you were going to interview me,
• 28:19
  Speaker 2: and I thought I'd better read your book. It's a
• 28:22
  Speaker 2: remarkable book, an incredible story about how you have benefited
• 28:26
  Speaker 2: from your mother's resilience.
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: Tell us a little bit about I suppose the drive
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: to share this story with the world.
• 28:38
  Speaker 10: Thanks so much, Chris. I'm so glad to see you again.
• 28:41
  Speaker 10: I really wanted to one capture my mother's story because
• 28:45
  Speaker 10: it was such an important legacy. Unlike so many other
• 28:48
  Speaker 10: Holocaust survivors, she was happy to talk about her story
• 28:52
  Speaker 10: and she remembered it in remarkable detail, all the camps
• 28:56
  Speaker 10: that she was in at the age of seventeen. But
• 28:59
  Speaker 10: I guess I wrote it in COVID and at the
• 29:01
  Speaker 10: time I thought there were real lessons to learn. Their
• 29:04
  Speaker 10: lessons of overcoming trauma. I didn't realize that when it
• 29:08
  Speaker 10: would come out two years ago there would be other
• 29:10
  Speaker 10: lessons to learn as well, and that were the lessons
• 29:13
  Speaker 10: about both recognizing anti Semitism and learning how to fight it.
• 29:19
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and being constantly vigilant. A lot of people would
• 29:22
  Speaker 2: have thought the fight had.
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: Been won and lost.
• 29:25
  Speaker 2: But now I've spoken to so many people in the
• 29:28
  Speaker 2: Jewish community so traumatized, even Holocaust survivors, who cannot believe they.
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: Have to fight this again.
• 29:34
  Speaker 2: But the other lesson I get from reading about your
• 29:38
  Speaker 2: mother too is given the unspeakable trauma she witnessed and
• 29:44
  Speaker 2: endured herself, the positivity, the positivity to celebrate life and
• 29:50
  Speaker 2: build such a happy and prosperous life in Australia.
• 29:55
  Speaker 10: You know, I didn't really understand that either when I
• 29:58
  Speaker 10: was growing up, because she was so positive, and it
• 30:01
  Speaker 10: really struck me when I listened to her testimony. She
• 30:04
  Speaker 10: did a testimony with the Melbourne Holocaust Museum. We watched
• 30:08
  Speaker 10: it as a family, and the interviewer said to her
• 30:11
  Speaker 10: at the end of several hours of her giving her testimony,
• 30:15
  Speaker 10: recounting how both her parents were killed, her brother, her sister,
• 30:19
  Speaker 10: four camps, a death march, and the interviewer said to her,
• 30:23
  Speaker 10: is there anything that you want to add, anything you learned?
• 30:27
  Speaker 10: And she didn't even skip a beat when she said,
• 30:29
  Speaker 10: in the Holocaust, I learned about the goodness of people.
• 30:33
  Speaker 10: And I guess one of the reasons I wanted to
• 30:35
  Speaker 10: write the book was it was based on me interviewing her,
• 30:39
  Speaker 10: my mother mirror in the last six months of her life,
• 30:42
  Speaker 10: and in that interview I wanted to get to the
• 30:44
  Speaker 10: core of that. How could you see the worst of
• 30:47
  Speaker 10: man's cruelty, the absolute barbaric behavior that was the Holocaust,
• 30:53
  Speaker 10: and then emerged from it, not just surviving, but actually,
• 30:57
  Speaker 10: you know, she was not just resilient, but we lived joyfully.
• 31:02
  Speaker 2: Now you've been back to her home area, the towns
• 31:06
  Speaker 2: in Slovakia that she hailed from. You've been to the
• 31:09
  Speaker 2: concentration camps too, and you've spoken on this day, the
• 31:13
  Speaker 2: commemoration day of what transpired.
• 31:16
  Speaker 1: Here's some of what you had to say.
• 31:18
  Speaker 10: Between usaw there is much space. Our families come here
• 31:21
  Speaker 10: from Australia, America and Israel, but your recognition of the
• 31:25
  Speaker 10: past helps us close that gap and those together some
• 31:28
  Speaker 10: of the space that lives in our hearts.
• 31:31
  Speaker 2: It must be amazing to go back and revisit those
• 31:34
  Speaker 2: places and relive the trauma.
• 31:36
  Speaker 1: How did your mother survive?
• 31:38
  Speaker 2: She saw so many others put to death, so many
• 31:41
  Speaker 2: of your family members.
• 31:42
  Speaker 1: How did she survive?
• 31:46
  Speaker 10: I mean there was number one. You had to have luck,
• 31:49
  Speaker 10: you absolutely did. There were so many turns at which
• 31:52
  Speaker 10: she could have been killed, and the only way people
• 31:55
  Speaker 10: survived was luck. I guess you had to be physically
• 31:58
  Speaker 10: able to survive. She was seventeen when she went into camp,
• 32:02
  Speaker 10: so she had that somewhat on her side, and perhaps
• 32:06
  Speaker 10: there was a mental resilience that she had as well,
• 32:09
  Speaker 10: where she was absolutely determined to get to the other side.
• 32:13
  Speaker 10: Although towards the end of camp she nearly did lose
• 32:17
  Speaker 10: her life. She was so frail and so emaciated. So
• 32:21
  Speaker 10: it was just really a series of lucky events, if
• 32:24
  Speaker 10: you can call yourself lucky, and actually she did.
• 32:28
  Speaker 1: She did.
• 32:28
  Speaker 10: That amazing thing about her was she called herself a
• 32:31
  Speaker 10: lucky person. And I guess part of it is afterwards
• 32:35
  Speaker 10: surviving at mentally you have to have a certain perspective
• 32:38
  Speaker 10: to do that as well. You have to be able
• 32:40
  Speaker 10: to be forward thinking, to reconcile the past, and to
• 32:45
  Speaker 10: have your eye on the prize in away, and her
• 32:47
  Speaker 10: eye on the prize was she was so determined to
• 32:51
  Speaker 10: live a Jewish life and to live a fulfilling life,
• 32:54
  Speaker 10: and to not let the Nazis take that away from
• 32:57
  Speaker 10: her when they had taken everything else away from her.
• 33:00
  Speaker 2: Rachelle, thanks so much for joining us on this day,
• 33:02
  Speaker 2: and congratulations on everything you've written and said about this
• 33:06
  Speaker 2: Rachelle unrech there, I just want to.
• 33:08
  Speaker 1: Mention her book again.
• 33:09
  Speaker 2: It's called A Brilliant Life, my mother's inspiring story of
• 33:13
  Speaker 2: surviving the Holocaust.
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: Pick it up.
• 33:15
  Speaker 2: You will not be disappointed. Just a harrowing story, but
• 33:19
  Speaker 2: one of great hope in the end, one of great
• 33:21
  Speaker 2: hope and optimism in the end, and a great life
• 33:25
  Speaker 2: that the Mirror and her family built here in Australia.
• 33:28
  Speaker 2: After the break, chaos and killings on the streets of Minnesota,
• 33:32
  Speaker 2: I'll cross to Christian Tate in the US. I'll cross
• 33:40
  Speaker 2: to Christen Tate in the moment. But first protests are
• 33:43
  Speaker 2: continuing in Minnesota after ice agents shot and killed a
• 33:47
  Speaker 2: second protester.
• 33:48
  Speaker 1: Here's the latest from sky News UK.
• 33:51
  Speaker 11: On this street in suburban Minneapolis. Everyone is on alert
• 33:56
  Speaker 11: they believe this car has ICE immigration agents in so
• 34:00
  Speaker 11: they're doing what they can to disrupt.
• 34:03
  Speaker 1: They fight a man.
• 34:08
  Speaker 11: This video shows the aftermath of the killing of Alex Pretty.
• 34:12
  Speaker 11: Pretty was initially cast by the Trump administration as a
• 34:15
  Speaker 11: domestic terrorist intent on a massacre, despite there being no
• 34:19
  Speaker 11: evidence of that.
• 34:22
  Speaker 2: President Donald Trump has now sent his borders Tom Homan
• 34:26
  Speaker 2: two Minnesota to settle things down.
• 34:28
  Speaker 1: I asked Kristen tight whether she.
• 34:30
  Speaker 2: Expects the administration is going to wind back their operations.
• 34:34
  Speaker 12: That's what reports are saying, not that they'll stop operations,
• 34:38
  Speaker 12: but that it's seeming like they may wind them down.
• 34:42
  Speaker 12: But I'm not sure that that's the right thing to do, Chris.
• 34:44
  Speaker 12: I mean the investigation into the shooting of that anti
• 34:47
  Speaker 12: ICE protester, Alex Predy, that hasn't been concluded, and I
• 34:51
  Speaker 12: think it's important to point out that the shooting of
• 34:54
  Speaker 12: Pretty is not the same as the shooting of Renee Good,
• 34:57
  Speaker 12: that other protester. That was clearly a justifiable shot, as
• 35:00
  Speaker 12: she was trying to run over an ICE agent with
• 35:03
  Speaker 12: her vehicle or she was clearly willing to do so.
• 35:06
  Speaker 12: But here's what I think is important and is getting
• 35:08
  Speaker 12: lost in a lot of the media coverage. The goal
• 35:10
  Speaker 12: of the left wing media and of cowardly Republicans and
• 35:13
  Speaker 12: of course the Democrats, is to take our eyes off
• 35:16
  Speaker 12: of the big picture in hopes of someone dying will
• 35:20
  Speaker 12: mean that illegal immigrants can just magically remain in this country. Sorry,
• 35:24
  Speaker 12: but they've got to go, especially the hardened criminals. This
• 35:27
  Speaker 12: is what Trump ran on and won on, and the
• 35:30
  Speaker 12: leftists to are rioting right now in Minneapolis. They're obstructing
• 35:34
  Speaker 12: police from arresting hardened criminals. In no moral world. Are
• 35:38
  Speaker 12: you a hero for protecting murderers, child rapists, drug dealers,
• 35:43
  Speaker 12: and game dangers? And that is exactly what's happening.
• 35:47
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 35:47
  Speaker 2: Look, it's obviously a tragedy that this nurse this protest
• 35:51
  Speaker 2: was shot did, but a lot of the coverage seems
• 35:55
  Speaker 2: to make it sound like some sort of unprovoked murder.
• 35:58
  Speaker 2: He was a bloke who was deliberately trying to disrupt
• 36:01
  Speaker 2: ice agents going about their.
• 36:02
  Speaker 1: Business, and he did this while he was carrying.
• 36:06
  Speaker 2: A concealed pistol, a concealed weapon legally, but he was
• 36:10
  Speaker 2: carrying it, and then he resisted arrest. Obviously, So this
• 36:15
  Speaker 2: is the protesters putting themselves in this situation, are really
• 36:20
  Speaker 2: creating a dangerous situation.
• 36:23
  Speaker 12: And I'm not sure he was actually carrying legally because
• 36:26
  Speaker 12: he didn't have his ID on him. So I think
• 36:28
  Speaker 12: in Minnesota you're actually supposed to have your idea on
• 36:31
  Speaker 12: you while you're carrying. But you're absolutely right. In no
• 36:34
  Speaker 12: sane world should you carry a firearm if you're going
• 36:38
  Speaker 12: to intentionally obstruct police and then to resist arrest while
• 36:42
  Speaker 12: you're carrying. It's just crazy. And I just want to
• 36:46
  Speaker 12: highlight again what has been going on that has led
• 36:49
  Speaker 12: up to this. I mean, these riots. We have had
• 36:52
  Speaker 12: a protester bite off the finger of an ICE agent.
• 36:56
  Speaker 12: We've had many of them crashing their vehicles intentionally into
• 36:59
  Speaker 12: ice vehicles. It's just complete chaos on the ground and
• 37:04
  Speaker 12: it's got to be put down. The Trump administration, I think,
• 37:08
  Speaker 12: needs to stand strong here and do the right thing,
• 37:10
  Speaker 12: continue the mission and these rioters. I mean, of course,
• 37:14
  Speaker 12: peaceful protesting is fine, but violent rioting needs to be stopped.
• 37:18
  Speaker 12: And it doesn't help, by the way, when you have
• 37:20
  Speaker 12: leaders in Minnesota, including Governor Tim Wilts, remember Tamala Harris's
• 37:25
  Speaker 12: running mate in her failed presidential campaign, telling the protesters
• 37:29
  Speaker 12: that ice agents are basically Nazis. That does nothing but
• 37:33
  Speaker 12: add fuel to the fire, and he is not helping.
• 37:36
  Speaker 12: He's actually encouraging this craziness.
• 37:38
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I'll come to that in a moment. I agree
• 37:40
  Speaker 1: with you.
• 37:40
  Speaker 2: It's a dangerous situation and politicians on both sides need
• 37:43
  Speaker 2: to be more restrained. He is what the Trump administration
• 37:47
  Speaker 2: is saying. He's Caroline living at the White House.
• 37:50
  Speaker 12: President Trump does not want any Americans to lose their
• 37:53
  Speaker 12: lives in the streets of America.
• 37:55
  Speaker 11: He believes what happened on Saturday is a tragedy.
• 37:59
  Speaker 1: So there's Caroline. It on behalf of the president.
• 38:01
  Speaker 2: But going back to Tim Waltz, the governor in Minnesota,
• 38:04
  Speaker 2: have a look at what he had to say.
• 38:06
  Speaker 13: We have got children in Minnesota hiding in their houses,
• 38:11
  Speaker 13: afraid to go outside. Many of us grew up reading
• 38:14
  Speaker 13: that story of Anne Frank. Somebody's going to write that
• 38:18
  Speaker 13: children's story about Minnesota. And there's one person who can
• 38:23
  Speaker 13: end this now, I mean Kristin.
• 38:27
  Speaker 1: This pluck is over the top.
• 38:28
  Speaker 2: As you say, He's been encouraging or demonizing the ICE agents,
• 38:32
  Speaker 2: so therefore encouraging protesters and.
• 38:35
  Speaker 1: Now he's comparing and Frank.
• 38:37
  Speaker 2: He's invoking the Holocaust to trying to dissuade people from
• 38:43
  Speaker 2: abiding the Lord.
• 38:44
  Speaker 1: It's terrible leadership.
• 38:47
  Speaker 12: Absolutely sickening to Liken protesters protecting again child rapists, murderers,
• 38:54
  Speaker 12: and drug dealers, to people who are trying to protect
• 38:58
  Speaker 12: Jewish people. Bring World War two, it is a sickening
• 39:02
  Speaker 12: comparison and it absolutely makes this problem much worse. And
• 39:06
  Speaker 12: that's why you have a situation now where the leftist
• 39:08
  Speaker 12: riders have these huge signal chats going on where they
• 39:12
  Speaker 12: are telling each other license plates of vehicles that they
• 39:15
  Speaker 12: believe to be ICE in many cases they're not even
• 39:17
  Speaker 12: ICE vehicles, and hordes of these riders will just follow
• 39:22
  Speaker 12: and stalk these vehicles, intimidate normal people that they believe
• 39:27
  Speaker 12: are ICE agents or sometimes real ICE agents who are
• 39:29
  Speaker 12: just trying to do their job. It is complete leftist
• 39:33
  Speaker 12: violent lawlessness and it needs to be put down.
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  Speaker 2: Let me just share with you and the viewers these
• 39:40
  Speaker 2: comments from an ICE agent which remind the media and
• 39:44
  Speaker 2: the protests.
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  Speaker 1: Of who the ICE agents are actually trying to arrest.
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  Speaker 14: Where if you're to arrest a child self offender and
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  Speaker 14: you guys out here, hont you.
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  Speaker 1: Oh no, we're pressing now.
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  Speaker 14: All right, there is honky and impeeding our investigations. Well,
• 40:03
  Speaker 14: we're trying to arrest a child sex offender. That's who
• 40:06
  Speaker 14: you guys are protecting. Insane.
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  Speaker 2: It is insane, indeed, and Christian will see what the
• 40:14
  Speaker 2: President does, whether there's any change in the operations there.
• 40:17
  Speaker 2: Before we let you go, though, I'm going to get
• 40:19
  Speaker 2: your update on the weather. These are winter storms and
• 40:22
  Speaker 2: ice storms, especially in the northeast of the US, have
• 40:25
  Speaker 2: been a real problem. Twenty five lives lost. I know
• 40:28
  Speaker 2: you're snowed in ed Joheim and Boston at the moment.
• 40:31
  Speaker 1: Just how bad is the situation.
• 40:33
  Speaker 12: Well, it's great for those of us who love snow
• 40:36
  Speaker 12: and living areas that can accommodate a lot of snow,
• 40:39
  Speaker 12: like up here in Boston. Yes, we've had well over
• 40:42
  Speaker 12: two feet, maybe even three feet. I don't know anymore.
• 40:45
  Speaker 12: Of the snow is still coming down. I can't even
• 40:47
  Speaker 12: leave my property right now because of the snow. But
• 40:50
  Speaker 12: snow lovers like me, we love this. But in other
• 40:53
  Speaker 12: parts of the country, like the mid Atlantic region where
• 40:56
  Speaker 12: they've gotten hit hard too, Yeah, they're not well equipped
• 40:59
  Speaker 12: to deal with this kind of thing. So you have
• 41:01
  Speaker 12: a lot of catastrophes where people are freezing in their homes,
• 41:04
  Speaker 12: people are dying, so of course that's tragic. But I
• 41:07
  Speaker 12: just want to say, Chris, I've been hearing for the
• 41:09
  Speaker 12: last ten years from different people, including Al Gore and
• 41:12
  Speaker 12: John Kerry and AOC that the world was going to
• 41:15
  Speaker 12: burn and be over. You know, he told me this
• 41:18
  Speaker 12: a decade ago, that within ten years the world would
• 41:21
  Speaker 12: be completely on fire, and you know, global warming was
• 41:24
  Speaker 12: going to end everything. Well, now we're sitting under three
• 41:27
  Speaker 12: feet of snow, so it looks like global warming hasn't
• 41:30
  Speaker 12: come for us yet.
• 41:31
  Speaker 1: Yeah, hate wives here in Australia.
• 41:33
  Speaker 2: Snowstorms in the US, same as it ever was at
• 41:35
  Speaker 2: this time of the year. I guess thanks for joining.
• 41:37
  Speaker 1: Us, Kristen, Thank you, Chris.
• 41:41
  Speaker 2: Yeah, we go to get to a break On the
• 41:42
  Speaker 2: other side, Steven Sama Tiampo and Susio Brian. The Northern
• 41:45
  Speaker 2: Territory mandates the national anthem for school assemblies. Let's get
• 41:55
  Speaker 2: into a Tuesday panel now with new Schools National Education
• 41:58
  Speaker 2: Editssuzio Broun joining us from Melbour and from the nation's
• 42:01
  Speaker 2: capital Radio two Double see Breakfast O Steven Senna Tiempo.
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  Speaker 1: I'll start with you, Steven, tell us what's happening with
• 42:07
  Speaker 1: the liberal leadership?
• 42:11
  Speaker 3: Well, your guess is as good as mine. LOOKU, I
• 42:12
  Speaker 3: would say that Susan Lee is gone. From what I'm hearing,
• 42:17
  Speaker 3: the numbers seem to be evenly split between Hasty and Taylor.
• 42:21
  Speaker 3: I think Angus Taylor is the only real option here.
• 42:23
  Speaker 3: I don't think Andrew Hasty is the right option. But
• 42:26
  Speaker 3: Angus needs to do a lot of work. If he's
• 42:27
  Speaker 3: going to actually make some success, he needs to get
• 42:30
  Speaker 3: the right people around him. My criticism of him has
• 42:32
  Speaker 3: always been that he's good on policy and he's a
• 42:34
  Speaker 3: smart bloke, but he doesn't really get politics. So he
• 42:37
  Speaker 3: needs to Although the fact that he's kept his power
• 42:39
  Speaker 3: to dry might meet that he's learned something since his
• 42:41
  Speaker 3: last leadership till but if he's surrounded himself with the
• 42:43
  Speaker 3: right people, he might be able to make some in
• 42:45
  Speaker 3: rows if he does indeed take the leadership on the
• 42:47
  Speaker 3: third of February.
• 42:48
  Speaker 2: If there's going to be a successful coup, they need
• 42:50
  Speaker 2: to get a conservative ticket that's unified. You can't have
• 42:53
  Speaker 2: both Angus Taylor and Andrew Hasty putting up their hands.
• 42:57
  Speaker 2: They need to come to some sort of accommodation. There's
• 42:59
  Speaker 2: no doubt about Susie. What intrigues me is in the meantime,
• 43:03
  Speaker 2: Susan Lee has got like a third of her front bench.
• 43:07
  Speaker 1: She's missing all the Nats have gone.
• 43:09
  Speaker 2: Does she have a cabinet reshuffle and just keep the
• 43:12
  Speaker 2: numbers the same and share around the portfolios, or does
• 43:15
  Speaker 2: she bring new people in which kind of precludes getting
• 43:18
  Speaker 2: the Nats back anytime soon. And if she's going to
• 43:21
  Speaker 2: bring anyone in, surely she has to bring in Andrew
• 43:24
  Speaker 2: Hasty and just said to naberjibber Price, it's.
• 43:30
  Speaker 15: A complete dog's breakfast. I mean they're just moving the
• 43:32
  Speaker 15: you know, the deck chairs on the Titanic. And not
• 43:35
  Speaker 15: only that, you know they can all fit into an elevator.
• 43:37
  Speaker 15: I mean there's so few of them and so little
• 43:40
  Speaker 15: talent on that front bench. I mean the loss of
• 43:42
  Speaker 15: those National Senators is, you know, is a massive loss
• 43:46
  Speaker 15: for that pool of talent. I mean they should not
• 43:50
  Speaker 15: be just looking at what they're going to do in
• 43:51
  Speaker 15: terms of their own people and their own front bench.
• 43:54
  Speaker 15: They have to look about what they're going to do
• 43:57
  Speaker 15: to get that coalition back together. It's a separate they're
• 44:00
  Speaker 15: absolutely worthless.
• 44:02
  Speaker 1: So they should be.
• 44:03
  Speaker 15: Looking at replacing Susan Lee. Maybe it seems like almost
• 44:07
  Speaker 15: some people are saying hasty is it is a is
• 44:10
  Speaker 15: a front runner. It'd be interesting to see what happens there.
• 44:13
  Speaker 15: But they have to look at menting that coalition. I mean,
• 44:16
  Speaker 15: without it, they're nothing, what are shambles?
• 44:18
  Speaker 2: Do you think this country, Susie should criminalize the burning
• 44:23
  Speaker 2: of the Australian flag.
• 44:27
  Speaker 15: I don't think people should be burning the Australian flag.
• 44:30
  Speaker 15: They should be raising it and celebrating it. But I
• 44:32
  Speaker 15: also don't think that it should be criminalized because it
• 44:35
  Speaker 15: is a legitimate part of protest and as long as
• 44:39
  Speaker 15: people aren't inciting other people to go and set fire
• 44:41
  Speaker 15: to flags all around the country or you know, set
• 44:44
  Speaker 15: fighter buildings. It's not a pleasant part of protest, but
• 44:48
  Speaker 15: I do see it as a legitimate part of protest.
• 44:50
  Speaker 1: What do you reckon, Stephen Bennett?
• 44:54
  Speaker 3: There's no no call, no justifiable excuse to burn the flag.
• 44:58
  Speaker 3: If it's illegal to deface currents, you should be illegal
• 45:00
  Speaker 3: to face the flag.
• 45:02
  Speaker 1: All right, Let's get to the anthem.
• 45:04
  Speaker 2: In the Northern Territory, they're making it compulsory for kids
• 45:07
  Speaker 2: to learn and sing the national anthem, Susie, isn't that
• 45:10
  Speaker 2: pretty much standard in most schools around the country already?
• 45:15
  Speaker 15: I hope so, Or you would like to think so,
• 45:18
  Speaker 15: you would like to think so you look at America,
• 45:21
  Speaker 15: they have compulsory American history and compulsory American politics over
• 45:26
  Speaker 15: years nine and ten, every single high school student.
• 45:29
  Speaker 1: We don't do that.
• 45:32
  Speaker 15: Like a third of our year tens don't even know
• 45:34
  Speaker 15: how a bill gets made into law, let alone. I
• 45:36
  Speaker 15: bet they can't sing to versions of the verses of
• 45:42
  Speaker 15: the of the national Anthem. I can't think of the
• 45:44
  Speaker 15: word versus of the national anthem. Of course it should
• 45:48
  Speaker 15: be mandatory and we should be sung with pride in
• 45:51
  Speaker 15: the original wording, no modern makeovers.
• 45:55
  Speaker 2: Yeah, we should sing it. They should be proud to
• 45:58
  Speaker 2: sing it. They should know it's Stephen. I fear that
• 46:01
  Speaker 2: many of them are missing out on it. But what
• 46:02
  Speaker 2: they are being told is some shameful version of Australian history.
• 46:08
  Speaker 3: Well that's right, we're told they're being proud of your
• 46:10
  Speaker 3: country is jingoistic, whereas in the United States, patriotism is
• 46:15
  Speaker 3: inherent in every school. When I was at school, we
• 46:18
  Speaker 3: had an assembly every morning and we sang the national
• 46:20
  Speaker 3: anthem every morning. Now, I'm not suggesting schools should go
• 46:23
  Speaker 3: back to doing it every day, because there's probably not
• 46:26
  Speaker 3: any call for an assembly every day. But I just
• 46:28
  Speaker 3: think it's a no brainer that we get our kids
• 46:30
  Speaker 3: to learn how to sing the national anthem. Sing it
• 46:32
  Speaker 3: with pride, be proud of our flag, be proud of
• 46:35
  Speaker 3: the nation they live in. And more importantly, as Susie says,
• 46:38
  Speaker 3: we need to get back to civic classes where kids
• 46:41
  Speaker 3: know how a bill's made, how this building operates, what
• 46:43
  Speaker 3: the people in this building do. Not that the people
• 46:45
  Speaker 3: in this building know what they do, but at least
• 46:47
  Speaker 3: our kids should know what they're supposed to do.
• 46:50
  Speaker 2: At the risk of making the argument even more intense,
• 46:53
  Speaker 2: is part of the problem here that people don't really
• 46:55
  Speaker 2: like the anthem, and what they really want is this
• 46:58
  Speaker 2: song for the anthem. Okay, for the seekers anthem Susie
• 47:17
  Speaker 2: and everyone will sing it everywhere.
• 47:21
  Speaker 15: I love that song. I only found out recently that
• 47:23
  Speaker 15: it was actually sung by the Seekers originally, and I
• 47:26
  Speaker 15: couldn't believe that I didn't even know that. How embarrassing
• 47:30
  Speaker 15: that isn't It is an amazing song, But can you
• 47:33
  Speaker 15: imagine getting through something where we're talking about singing all
• 47:36
  Speaker 15: in one voice that would never be.
• 47:38
  Speaker 2: Except in your defense, In your defense. I think they
• 47:41
  Speaker 2: wrote it after the Seekers broke up, and a couple
• 47:44
  Speaker 2: of the members of the Seekers wrote that is a
• 47:47
  Speaker 2: great song. I feel stirring patriotism just having heard that
• 47:51
  Speaker 2: little burst of it. Now, I tell you, when just
• 47:53
  Speaker 2: one thing I should mention to both of you and
• 47:56
  Speaker 2: our viewers when we're talking about this pessimistic view of
• 47:59
  Speaker 2: Australian history. I just note today that Tony Abbott's History
• 48:03
  Speaker 2: of Australia, the fantastic book he launched last year. Sixty
• 48:07
  Speaker 2: five thousand copies have been sold. It's a runaway success,
• 48:10
  Speaker 2: so people want to hear it. He doesn't skirt over
• 48:13
  Speaker 2: the shameful parts of our history.
• 48:14
  Speaker 1: He's very fair about that.
• 48:16
  Speaker 2: But he also tells us about the positive things. And
• 48:18
  Speaker 2: it's a runaway bestseller, which is fantastic news.
• 48:21
  Speaker 1: People want to hear about it. Now.
• 48:23
  Speaker 2: I never feel patriotic when I'm watching the Australian Broadcasting Corporation. Stephen,
• 48:30
  Speaker 2: what about this story today broken by Sky News that
• 48:33
  Speaker 2: there's been the hackers have got onto the ABC Facebook
• 48:37
  Speaker 2: page and they've filled it up with porn stars.
• 48:39
  Speaker 1: What's going on here.
• 48:42
  Speaker 3: A billion dollars of our money and they can't stop
• 48:45
  Speaker 3: this kind of hack. I mean, this is just absolutely frightening.
• 48:47
  Speaker 1: Now.
• 48:48
  Speaker 3: Look, I know that hackers are getting smarter and smarter,
• 48:51
  Speaker 3: but you'd think a billion dollars would pay for something,
• 48:53
  Speaker 3: wouldn't you. But look, it's probably better content than what
• 48:56
  Speaker 3: we normally get from the ABC anyway.
• 48:59
  Speaker 1: It's probably about relevant.
• 49:01
  Speaker 2: Thanks so much for joining us as Susie and Stephen.
• 49:03
  Speaker 2: We will catch you next week and watch out when
• 49:06
  Speaker 2: you go to the ABC Facebook page.
• 49:08
  Speaker 1: You'll be surprised what you see.
• 49:09
  Speaker 2: Apparently just time for some of your feedback from what
• 49:12
  Speaker 2: I had to say last night about the Australia Day protests,
• 49:14
  Speaker 2: and Eiler says, if you can't support the country you
• 49:17
  Speaker 2: live in, then live in the country you do support.
• 49:20
  Speaker 2: Another viewer says these people just can't be happy they
• 49:23
  Speaker 2: take for granted our wonderful country, while Gary says change
• 49:27
  Speaker 2: the hate, not the date. That's a good slogan Gary,
• 49:30
  Speaker 2: and Mark says, great work, Chris, you are the voice
• 49:32
  Speaker 2: of so many Australians. Well, I hope so I do
• 49:35
  Speaker 2: listen to you, and I hope we share some values
• 49:39
  Speaker 2: through the airwaves. Thanks for watching. Peter Credlin's Up Next,