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The Week That Was (17 Sep 2021) · 360 with Katie Woolf

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  Speaker 1: Three sixties, the week that was the most listened to
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  Speaker 1: hour in Territory radio.
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  Speaker 2: The Territory Leaders break down this week's big issues.
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  Speaker 3: Well, good morning and welcome to the show. What a
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  Speaker 3: show we've got lined up for you this morning.
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  Speaker 1: Of course, it is the.
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  Speaker 3: Camp Quality Radio Auction back for twenty twenty one and
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  Speaker 3: we are raising money, hoping to raise up to fifty
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  Speaker 3: thousand dollars today with all these funds raised going towards
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  Speaker 3: Camp Quality, who give kids facing cancer the chance to.
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  Speaker 1: Be kids again.
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  Speaker 3: So this morning, throughout the show, obviously we've got the
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  Speaker 3: week that was happening, but we are still going to
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  Speaker 3: be raising money for Camp Quality, and in the studio
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  Speaker 3: with us this morning, we have got the Deputy Opposition Leader,
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  Speaker 3: Jared Mayley.
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  Speaker 4: Good morning, Good morning, Katie, Good morning listeners.
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  Speaker 3: We've got Kesier Puick, the independent member for Goider. Good
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  Speaker 3: morning to you, Kezier.
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  Speaker 1: Good morning, good morning to all the rural people listening.
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  Speaker 3: And we've got Natasha Files, the Minister for Health, Good
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  Speaker 3: morning to.
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  Speaker 1: You, Good morning.
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  Speaker 5: Keizier and I are sharing a microphone, so if I'm
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  Speaker 5: unusually quiet, good listeners, we.
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  Speaker 3: Do think that Matt Cunningham is is on his way,
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  Speaker 3: so he shouldn't be too far off.
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  Speaker 1: It's coffee in his micro waiting for him.
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  Speaker 3: But let's get into the issues of the week, because
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  Speaker 3: I tell you what, it's been an incredibly busy week
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  Speaker 3: and I want to kick off with the COVID plan. Obviously,
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  Speaker 3: we found out earlier in the week the Chief Minister
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  Speaker 3: Michael Gunner outlining this COVID plan and moving forward.
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  Speaker 1: The big critical part.
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  Speaker 3: Though, is making sure that we get to that eighty
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  Speaker 3: percent vaccination rate. There is still some gray areas for
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  Speaker 3: some people. What is going to define a lockdown and
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  Speaker 3: what is going to define a lockout?
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  Speaker 1: Filesy, are you able to sort of shed a bit
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  Speaker 1: of light.
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  Speaker 5: So, Katie, as we move through the pandemic and more
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  Speaker 5: Territorians get vaccinated, and I'd like to congratulate Territorians, they're
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  Speaker 5: doing a great job in getting vaccinated. I was out
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  Speaker 5: at one of our schools earlier this week. Our young
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  Speaker 5: people are embracing the vaccine. I was in Central Australia
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  Speaker 5: and you know, people are really trying to understand the
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  Speaker 5: importance of the vaccine. There is some hesitancy in pockets
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  Speaker 5: of the community, but we are seeing people come across
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  Speaker 5: and be vaccinated. So this plan provides as we go forward,
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  Speaker 5: a roadmap for us so that territories can understand what's
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  Speaker 5: at stake around those vaccination rates. In terms of a
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  Speaker 5: lockdown as opposed to a lockout, we'll continue to follow
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  Speaker 5: the clinical advice, Katie. A lockdown may be needed if
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  Speaker 5: we were to see a large number of cases and
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  Speaker 5: we had unknown transmission. You know, you may see a short,
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  Speaker 5: sharp lockdown in that type of situation. A lockout potentially
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  Speaker 5: would be if we've got individuals who won't get vaccinated,
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  Speaker 5: they may be locked out from certain activities, or we
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  Speaker 5: potentially could have situations where some of our small remote communities,
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  Speaker 5: potentially for their safety, they may choose to sort of
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  Speaker 5: lock down that community and not have people come or go.
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  Speaker 5: But there is risk with that because we have very
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  Speaker 5: porous borders. There's a lot of roads, you know, people
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  Speaker 5: do no backways. So the key messages right now, please
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  Speaker 5: just get vaccinated well.
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  Speaker 3: And one of the things that concerns some people, I
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  Speaker 3: think as well with the announcement earlier in the week,
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  Speaker 3: is the fact that they're worried that they are going
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  Speaker 3: to be locked out of some venues or not allowed
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  Speaker 3: to go to some locations if indeed they're not vaccinated. Now,
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  Speaker 3: I know that obviously the key here is that we
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  Speaker 3: want everybody to get vaccinated. But we also know that
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  Speaker 3: the Chief Minister will he sort of came out swinging
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  Speaker 3: I think you'd have to say and said that he doesn't.
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  Speaker 3: He said, I know, I'm supposed to say that I
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  Speaker 3: respect people's choices and reasons for not getting vaccinated, but
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  Speaker 3: I don't.
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  Speaker 1: I don't understand it. I don't respect it.
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  Speaker 3: You don't get to choose to burden our health system
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  Speaker 3: because you refuse to follow preventative health measures.
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  Speaker 5: So, Katie, the message is clear, please get vaccinated. So
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  Speaker 5: under a lockout, vaccinated people will not be locked down.
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  Speaker 5: They can continue to go to work, go shopping, participate
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  Speaker 5: in fairly regular life. They may need to wear a mask,
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  Speaker 5: they may be asked to wear a mask, but for
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  Speaker 5: people that aren't vaccinated, they will start to miss out.
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  Speaker 5: For me, right now, there's plenty of vaccination available, there's
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  Speaker 5: the workforce to deliver that vaccination, and it's really understanding
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  Speaker 5: why some people are hesitant. There's some people in our community,
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  Speaker 5: Katie that they just see it has something to say
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  Speaker 5: no to they don't want to conform. And those people,
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  Speaker 5: you know, that's they haven't based on in medical advice
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  Speaker 5: for other people. It is understanding that the vaccine is safe,
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  Speaker 5: it's effective. Some people are nervous about getting a needle themselves.
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  Speaker 5: Some people are nervous about the fact it's been developed
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  Speaker 5: very quickly, and so we will over the coming weeks
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  Speaker 5: be really focused on making sure the community's got the
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  Speaker 5: information it needs.
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  Speaker 4: Yes, okay, your in relation to my view on that. Look,
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  Speaker 4: the first thing I want to start and urge all
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  Speaker 4: territorianes for follow health advice. We need to get JABB
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  Speaker 4: there's no question about that. But what I'm more concerned
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  Speaker 4: about is the commitment of the government have made eighty
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  Speaker 4: percent of vaccination, So that's the first level before this
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  Speaker 4: all kicks in. So before we even start talking about
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  Speaker 4: mandated vaccines, we need to make sure that all territories,
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  Speaker 4: and I say all Territorians, not fly in, fly out, workers,
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  Speaker 4: not tourists. We need to make sure that Territorians are protected.
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  Speaker 4: So we need to do or the government need to do,
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  Speaker 4: or they can to make sure we reach out eighty
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  Speaker 4: percent off territorians right across the territory, no excuses, no exemptions.
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  Speaker 4: It just needs to make sure that we're vaccinated because
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  Speaker 4: that's the way out of this COVID. Unfortunately, I think
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  Speaker 4: we're going to live with COVID for the rest of
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  Speaker 4: our lives. Is going to be here. We learn to
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  Speaker 4: deal with it. We need to be able to travel,
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  Speaker 4: We need to be able to get back to everyday
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  Speaker 4: of life the best we can. And remember these lock
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  Speaker 4: ins and lockdowns and blockhouse effect the tourism industry. So
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  Speaker 4: we need to make sure that there's a broader picture
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  Speaker 4: here that needs to be dealt with. It's across all
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  Speaker 4: of Australia. We're all all Australians, but we need to
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  Speaker 4: get the eighty percent and to do that we need
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  Speaker 4: to follow the health advice.
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  Speaker 3: One of the concerns that's been raised with me throughout
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  Speaker 3: the week, and I know that Daniel Rochford as well
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  Speaker 3: from Tourism Central Australia had spoken about it a bit
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  Speaker 3: earlier in the week too. Like I do wonder where
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  Speaker 3: the status of our tourism is going to wind up,
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  Speaker 3: you know with our Green, Amber and Red zones. And
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  Speaker 3: I think we all understand that we've got to do
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  Speaker 3: our best to obviously keep the northern territory safe. But
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  Speaker 3: you know, even when we talk about those flights from
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  Speaker 3: Darwin to London direct, well it's going to be a
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  Speaker 3: lot more difficult to get any kind of tourism impact
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  Speaker 3: on those If people are still having to come here
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  Speaker 3: and do two weeks quarantine, even if they've been double vaxed.
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  Speaker 6: Well, it's I think that's one area that has to
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  Speaker 6: be cleared up and clarified, is if someone has already
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  Speaker 6: been in quarantine elsewhere, and also if they've been vaccinated
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  Speaker 6: and they come to the territory for whatever reason, and
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  Speaker 6: my view is they should be allowed to come in
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  Speaker 6: perhaps get a test along the way. But I think
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  Speaker 6: what in regards to the tourism industry, and we've seen
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  Speaker 6: it happen this year, is that we've had a surge,
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  Speaker 6: if not an incredible surge in the travelers and caravans
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  Speaker 6: and motor homes and things of that nature. And it
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  Speaker 6: may well be that part of our tourism industry now
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  Speaker 6: starts to take a different shape and a different look,
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  Speaker 6: but not just the whole look of the tourism industry.
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  Speaker 6: But back to the vaccinations and what the chief Minister's comments.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, an anti.
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  Speaker 6: Vax person can have their view, and it's their right
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  Speaker 6: if they don't want to have a vaccination for anything,
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  Speaker 6: let alone COVID. You know, whether they don't want to
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  Speaker 6: have a flu shot or yellow fever. If they want
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  Speaker 6: to travel overseas when we can travel, that's their right.
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  Speaker 6: But it's also my right to say you can't come
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  Speaker 6: into my office unless you can show your vaccinated and
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  Speaker 6: it's the right of any business like this is going
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  Speaker 6: to become a way of the future. And I know
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  Speaker 6: legal firms and lawyers and all those kind of people
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  Speaker 6: are already. Unemployment agencies already looking at this because you're
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  Speaker 6: going to get a situation where I walk into say
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  Speaker 6: a hairdresser or some other place where I get personal treatment,
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  Speaker 6: not doctors. That's a bit different, and say, look, I
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  Speaker 6: want to ensure for my own sake whether all your
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  Speaker 6: staff have been vaccinated. So it's going to have that
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  Speaker 6: role on effect. And I know the League of Teams
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  Speaker 6: are already gearing up. Yeah, and good for them, that's
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  Speaker 6: what they do. But that's going to come to that's
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  Speaker 6: becoming an employment situation now. And the other thing about
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  Speaker 6: the territory specifically is a lot of people in Darwin
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  Speaker 6: and Pobiella Springs. Mostly they're doing a lot of work
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  Speaker 6: contract work like housing in particular in remote Aboriginal communities. Now,
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  Speaker 6: somehow in the contract I reckon from anti government and
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  Speaker 6: the Commonwealth and elsewhere for this housing, there's going to
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  Speaker 6: be clauses your staff. Not only will you have to
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  Speaker 6: have an OH and S policy and this and that
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  Speaker 6: and employ so many inditionals people, you will have to
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  Speaker 6: demonstrate that your employment are vaccinated before they go and
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  Speaker 6: work in I don't know, well, some big issues out there,
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  Speaker 6: so that's why we need to get people vaccinated.
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  Speaker 3: The Police Commissioner had touched on this as well throughout
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  Speaker 3: the week and said when we'd had him on the
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  Speaker 3: show yesterday he said that, yeah, he's looking at that
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  Speaker 3: legal advice at the moment to you know, to determine
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  Speaker 3: whether he's going to be able to make the vaccination
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  Speaker 3: mandatory within the police force. Now, Matt Cunningham from Sky
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  Speaker 3: News has just joined us as well. Good morning to you, Matt. Oh,
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  Speaker 3: we better turn your microphone on there you go, So
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  Speaker 3: there's no.
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  Speaker 1: Doubt I reckon.
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  Speaker 3: We're going to see businesses around you know, around Australia
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  Speaker 3: and indeed all around the world. We've seen it from
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  Speaker 3: some of those major corporations already. For example, that's right
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  Speaker 3: saying that that they expect their employees to be vaccinated.
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  Speaker 3: Now now we might sorry, come, I'll just I'll just quickly, Katie,
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  Speaker 3: it'll become a condition of employment. Many years ago in
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  Speaker 3: the mining industry, when they first brought in alcohol and
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  Speaker 3: drug testing, there's huge resistance for lots of reasons and
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  Speaker 3: obvious reasons. But what started to happen over the period
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  Speaker 3: of time when it got more sophisticated their systems, is
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  Speaker 3: that you wanted to work in the mining industry, here's
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  Speaker 3: the form.
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  Speaker 1: Fill it in.
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  Speaker 6: You agree to be subject to alcohol and drug testing
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  Speaker 6: at a random basis, and that's probably the way it's
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  Speaker 6: going to go in the future. You want to work
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  Speaker 6: in our firm, here's the form alcohol drug testing. Years plus,
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  Speaker 6: you'll also demonstrate you've got your right qualifications and you've
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  Speaker 6: got to be.
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  Speaker 2: I reckon, that's fair enough.
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  Speaker 7: I mean I think that you know, as an employe,
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  Speaker 7: should have the right to say that. And I was
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  Speaker 7: actually a bit surprised by the comments I read from
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  Speaker 7: the union in the anti news today having to go
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  Speaker 7: at the government over saying well, we need your workers
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  Speaker 7: to be vaccinated.
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  Speaker 2: Of course they need to be vaccinated.
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  Speaker 7: I mean, if they're going to be working face to face,
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  Speaker 7: they're going to be working closely with people in remote communities,
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  Speaker 7: et cetera, et cetera, they should be vaccinated. That is
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  Speaker 7: a's a that's an absolutely necessary health measure that they
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  Speaker 7: need to be.
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  Speaker 6: Takeing same as they I would presume a lot of
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  Speaker 6: those healthcare workers all across the territory have had an
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  Speaker 6: annual flute shot and I'm sure if they tread on
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  Speaker 6: a rusty nail they'd go in and get a teennas
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  Speaker 6: shot in a flash. So you know, I can't work
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  Speaker 6: out what they.
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  Speaker 4: We also need to make sure that the terror plan
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  Speaker 4: is in line with the federal plan, because we don't
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  Speaker 4: want to be able to have different plans or different
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  Speaker 4: rules for different areas in Australia. So we need to
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  Speaker 4: work with all that to make sure that you can
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  Speaker 4: show anywhere in Australia and it's all on the same way.
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  Speaker 3: We have apparently got quite a few callers getting in
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  Speaker 3: contact wondering what's going to happen with people who choose
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  Speaker 3: not to get a vaccine.
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  Speaker 4: I think it's pretty obvious, Katie.
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  Speaker 5: They're going to find as we move towards the end
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  Speaker 5: of the year that they will be restricted from certain activities.
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  Speaker 5: They might not be able to freely move about the community,
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  Speaker 5: and might not be able to play certain sports. They
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  Speaker 5: may find that their employer says to them, you need
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  Speaker 5: to be vaccinated. So we certainly have plenty of vaccine.
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  Speaker 5: The information is there that is safe and effective, and
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  Speaker 5: we urge people to get vaccinated.
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  Speaker 3: Well, you are listening to Mix one oh four point
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  Speaker 3: nine three sixty. It is the week that was and
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  Speaker 3: it is of course the camp Quality radio auction. Now,
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  Speaker 3: Matt Cunningham, you missed this just a couple of looks,
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  Speaker 3: but sheared Mayley has said that he is going to
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  Speaker 3: donate a half day pig hunt.
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  Speaker 8: So so.
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  Speaker 3: With a lawyer and a politician, so him and his brother,
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  Speaker 3: now my husband Patrick. I've bid for him two hundred bucks.
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  Speaker 3: Actually Matakarros has just messaged through. He said he'll go
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  Speaker 3: too fifty. Someone else has just called through and wanted
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  Speaker 3: to know exactly where this pig hunt is happening.
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  Speaker 4: I'll get it down at mckiller River Station, which is
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  Speaker 4: down the Arnham Highway. It's about an hour's drive from
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  Speaker 4: Howard Springs. The station's one hundred and twenty thousand acres
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  Speaker 4: and we get to cruise down the back. It'll be
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  Speaker 4: at four or four hours. We've got two side by
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  Speaker 4: side buggies, two four seaters with a you've got a roof,
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  Speaker 4: you got a seat belt, you've got a bucket seat,
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  Speaker 4: you've got a helmet, a helmet. There'll be some food
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  Speaker 4: and some drink supplied.
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  Speaker 1: Stunning, stunning to so this so it also not only
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  Speaker 1: a pickup.
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  Speaker 4: It'll be a and I've been I've been doing it
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  Speaker 4: for a long time. I know the area pretty well.
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  Speaker 4: So we'll be ab We'll see some wild buffalo, we'll
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  Speaker 4: see some wild cow. We'll see a few creeks. You
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  Speaker 4: might probably see a crocodiles in Cunningham. You want to
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  Speaker 4: have any wild goats?
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  Speaker 5: Interesting in that, Matt Keasy is I put a trailer
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  Speaker 5: load of Jasman?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, like for your gut. It's great for lemon trees.
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  Speaker 1: So Ksier has.
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  Speaker 6: Got a what is it a ute load, which is
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  Speaker 6: roughly one or half a cubic meter, probably half a
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  Speaker 6: cubic meter for those who know that language, and it's
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  Speaker 6: very light, easy to shovel, and and you're a bonus
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  Speaker 6: because I know some people.
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  Speaker 3: More too.
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  Speaker 1: But if they come out.
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  Speaker 9: And might need those knights for soon, if.
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  Speaker 6: They come to the property, I'll even let them help
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  Speaker 6: shovel it themselves.
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  Speaker 1: And it sounds like got a job. No.
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  Speaker 6: But also, but weren't this more if it's a family
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  Speaker 6: that's got young children.
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  Speaker 1: You've got young children.
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  Speaker 6: The sheep are dropping their lambs at the moment, and
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  Speaker 6: there's some really pretty little lambs to cuddle, have been
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  Speaker 6: bottle fed.
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  Speaker 2: I got the first fifty bucks on keysy.
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  Speaker 3: As fifty all right, excellent, wh you and cuddling land.
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  Speaker 1: Sure your wife's going to be really pleased.
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  Speaker 2: To make sure that I'll be taking the kids on
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  Speaker 2: my own.
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  Speaker 3: A second bit for the pig hunt is at five
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  Speaker 3: hundred dollars and it's all going to kids for Camp
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  Speaker 3: Quality eight nine four one one O four nine is
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  Speaker 3: the number if you'd like to call through. We're going
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  Speaker 3: to take a very short break. You are listening to
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  Speaker 3: mix one OW four point nine is three sixty.
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  Speaker 1: That's right.
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  Speaker 3: It is the Camp Quality Radio auction and Jared Mayley's
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  Speaker 3: pig hunt is currently sitting at five hundred dollars. The
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  Speaker 3: ute load full of goat manure is at fifty dollars
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  Speaker 3: with Matt Cunningham. So I don't know who actually bid
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  Speaker 3: five hundred dollars on the pig hunt, but I'll see
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  Speaker 3: what I can find out. I'm sure the team will
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  Speaker 3: let me know. And if you do want to call
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  Speaker 3: through in place a bit eight nine one o four nine.
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  Speaker 3: No word yet, keasier on the medallions and stuff that
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  Speaker 3: you'd donated.
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  Speaker 1: I'm not sure whether we've had a donation yet on the.
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  Speaker 3: Is that on the live one or just on the
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  Speaker 3: bes Not one hundred percent sure, but we're going to
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  Speaker 3: you in after ten o'clock to find out more. Now,
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  Speaker 3: I do want to talk about a very serious topic
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  Speaker 3: that obviously we've been discussing right throughout the week, and
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  Speaker 3: that is the territory's health system. We were joined earlier
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  Speaker 3: in the week by Cath Hatcher, who is the head
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  Speaker 3: of the Nursing and Midwiff re Union here in the
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  Speaker 3: Northern Territory, speaking about the pressure on the health system,
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  Speaker 3: and this followed on from a couple of reports actually
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  Speaker 3: from you, Matt Cunningham, about firstly about the situation out
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  Speaker 3: at the Palmerston Regional Hospital where there had apparently been
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  Speaker 3: some high level talks about whether the emergency ward out
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  Speaker 3: at Palmerston Regional Hospital needs to be scaled back due
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  Speaker 3: to staffing shortages.
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  Speaker 1: It didn't end there.
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  Speaker 3: It'd also broken a story on the Royal Darwin Hospital
• 14:42
  Speaker 3: and surgical ward, part of a surgical ward having to
• 14:45
  Speaker 3: be used obviously for mental health patients.
• 14:48
  Speaker 2: Yeah, there's a fair bit going on there, Wolfe.
• 14:50
  Speaker 7: And I think it's also fair to say that there's
• 14:54
  Speaker 7: plenty of staff working within the hospital system who are
• 14:57
  Speaker 7: really doing it tough at the moment and.
• 15:01
  Speaker 2: Close to breaking points. So there was that meeting earlier
• 15:04
  Speaker 2: this month.
• 15:04
  Speaker 7: I know the Health Department's doing a review of services,
• 15:08
  Speaker 7: but there are serious concerns about how far doctors and
• 15:12
  Speaker 7: nurses in particular are stretched at the moment across those
• 15:16
  Speaker 7: two hospitals. And we know that the Parmesan Hospital opened
• 15:19
  Speaker 7: in August twenty eighteen, but I think that has and
• 15:23
  Speaker 7: you know you've even had Diddya Palmer, who's the head
• 15:25
  Speaker 7: of emergency at RDH and Palmerston, say that it's actually
• 15:30
  Speaker 7: made things worse, not better.
• 15:32
  Speaker 2: So there are serious concerns there. I mean my information is.
• 15:34
  Speaker 7: And I'm sure Tash will be able to give us
• 15:37
  Speaker 7: a better idea, but they've sort of decided to try
• 15:40
  Speaker 7: and work it out by the end of this month
• 15:42
  Speaker 7: and come up with a better plan. Tash has come
• 15:45
  Speaker 7: out and said the Parmesan ed won't close. I think
• 15:51
  Speaker 7: there's certainly a plan to scale things back quite a bit.
• 15:53
  Speaker 7: One of those plans that I've been told is that
• 15:55
  Speaker 7: they just have a handful of beds there at the
• 15:56
  Speaker 7: Parmesan d for walk ins and the ambulances.
• 15:58
  Speaker 2: It all goes straight to Ardi eight.
• 16:00
  Speaker 5: So, Katie, the Palmeston Hospital site is part of RODZO
• 16:03
  Speaker 5: and it's an important asset. It provides additional beds and capacity.
• 16:06
  Speaker 5: But we acknowledge across the system we have had challenges
• 16:09
  Speaker 5: with staffing and what we're doing is working to make
• 16:12
  Speaker 5: sure that we've got a sustainable model going forward. There
• 16:15
  Speaker 5: has been a number of operational meetings. We're working with
• 16:17
  Speaker 5: some experts in this space so that we have wonderful clinicians.
• 16:21
  Speaker 5: We have challenges with getting clinicians, but we certainly have
• 16:26
  Speaker 5: significant staff already and how can we support them? And
• 16:29
  Speaker 5: I do acknowledge Matt's comments. They have found the last
• 16:32
  Speaker 5: eighteen months to two years a very tough period. There's
• 16:36
  Speaker 5: a number of factors within the health system, mental health
• 16:39
  Speaker 5: and I've spoken to you about the significant plans in
• 16:41
  Speaker 5: that space. But we did see that code yellow last
• 16:44
  Speaker 5: week and it was based we had thirty patients waiting
• 16:47
  Speaker 5: for beds. It wasn't any particular reason, but we're working
• 16:50
  Speaker 5: to make sure that we support our clinicians and provide
• 16:53
  Speaker 5: that high quality care. So is that Palmeston Hospital emergency
• 16:56
  Speaker 5: ward going to be scaled right that? No, Katie. The
• 16:59
  Speaker 5: adviceateest advice I've had is that we do have adequate staffing,
• 17:03
  Speaker 5: but we need to make sure that we provide a
• 17:05
  Speaker 5: resource that supports people in the rural area and Palmerston
• 17:08
  Speaker 5: but works in with the Royal Dalen Hospital and that
• 17:11
  Speaker 5: we're not stretching our clinical resources so that we do
• 17:15
  Speaker 5: end up providing not adequate services because of that. So
• 17:19
  Speaker 5: it's complicated and we've had experts come in to work
• 17:22
  Speaker 5: with us. Might just play a small bit of audio
• 17:24
  Speaker 5: from Cas Hatcher from the Nurses Union a little bit
• 17:27
  Speaker 5: earlier in the week, just to give us a bit
• 17:29
  Speaker 5: of an idea as to how the Nurses Union and
• 17:32
  Speaker 5: some of our health staff are feeling at this point terrible.
• 17:37
  Speaker 8: The whole of the NT is in crisis, not just
• 17:40
  Speaker 8: World Daring or Palmerston Hospital, and not so much the
• 17:46
  Speaker 8: other public health systems, but the remote and rule and
• 17:51
  Speaker 8: remote areas of the NT. Everyone's in crisis. No one
• 17:55
  Speaker 8: can get staff to work, and it's putting more of
• 17:58
  Speaker 8: an impact on Royal Darwin from the top end, with
• 18:03
  Speaker 8: services being in the remote areas in crisis too.
• 18:08
  Speaker 1: Now.
• 18:08
  Speaker 3: I did also catch up with Sandy who's on AHA
• 18:11
  Speaker 3: and Alice Springs this morning and he had said that, yeah,
• 18:14
  Speaker 3: that he's been told by some of the nurses at
• 18:16
  Speaker 3: the hospital there that they're run off their feet. It
• 18:18
  Speaker 3: does seem as though we've got a real issue at
• 18:20
  Speaker 3: the moment in various areas. From what I can gather,
• 18:23
  Speaker 3: it's obviously mental health beds, it's aged care beds, but
• 18:28
  Speaker 3: it's also that staffing issue. We're staffing the Howard Springs
• 18:32
  Speaker 3: quarantine facility, We're obviously then staffing all of our major
• 18:36
  Speaker 3: health facilities like the hospitals, but then we're also needing
• 18:39
  Speaker 3: staff out in those remote clinics. And it does seem
• 18:42
  Speaker 3: as though we're struggling to find those staffs.
• 18:44
  Speaker 4: OK. It seems our health system is in crisis, and
• 18:47
  Speaker 4: it's not just in the top endge right across the
• 18:49
  Speaker 4: Northern territory. The Chief Minister coming on this station and
• 18:52
  Speaker 4: said that there was an outbreak, we wouldn't better handle it.
• 18:54
  Speaker 4: And remember when COVID first hit that all these reasons
• 18:57
  Speaker 4: about the lockdowns were to be able to get the
• 18:59
  Speaker 4: health systems up and running at the hospital is ready
• 19:00
  Speaker 4: to go. Now we're almost two years into this and
• 19:03
  Speaker 4: the Chief ministers come out and said we couldn't handle it.
• 19:06
  Speaker 4: So the government's had two years to go in and
• 19:08
  Speaker 4: fix the problem. They've admitted they can't. So what happens
• 19:11
  Speaker 4: if there was an outbreak right now or next week
• 19:13
  Speaker 4: or next month. It seems to be that our hospital
• 19:15
  Speaker 4: system would just would collapse, would fall under. So this
• 19:19
  Speaker 4: is a real concern. There's money available. There's two million
• 19:23
  Speaker 4: dollars to a grand stand and thirty five million dollars
• 19:25
  Speaker 4: to these youth detainees. If that money hadn't been paid
• 19:27
  Speaker 4: to those organizations and gone into our health system, would
• 19:30
  Speaker 4: we be in the same situation, I'd guess not so, Katie.
• 19:34
  Speaker 5: In terms of that there's a number of issues that
• 19:36
  Speaker 5: have been raised. So we do have the Palmerston and
• 19:40
  Speaker 5: Royal Darwin Hospital campus. We've also got in the top
• 19:42
  Speaker 5: end Catherine and the Hospital.
• 19:44
  Speaker 7: Now this is this this news speak.
• 19:48
  Speaker 2: No, No, it's hospitals.
• 19:49
  Speaker 1: Into it's two camps has been not two.
• 19:52
  Speaker 2: Campuses at the one hospital.
• 19:53
  Speaker 5: It's two hospitals, two campuses. But we do have Nolan
• 19:58
  Speaker 5: Boy Hospital and there is beds at Noulan Boy Hospital.
• 20:01
  Speaker 5: So how can we utilize those beds but make sure.
• 20:04
  Speaker 3: We sending people off to Nolan Boy if people a situation.
• 20:08
  Speaker 1: I'll come back to that point.
• 20:09
  Speaker 5: But what I was saying is that in terms of
• 20:11
  Speaker 5: our hospitals, we need to make sure that we do
• 20:14
  Speaker 5: provide for people to have cares close to home. There's
• 20:17
  Speaker 5: patients from eas Darnham that could perhaps it has to
• 20:19
  Speaker 5: be clinically safe, of course, but we're looking at a
• 20:21
  Speaker 5: number of options in terms of our hospital beds. Coming
• 20:23
  Speaker 5: to the point around age care, we know that age
• 20:26
  Speaker 5: care is the responsibility of the Commonwealth, but we do
• 20:29
  Speaker 5: see a.
• 20:29
  Speaker 3: Burden argibargie from Little Proud.
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: Agree.
• 20:35
  Speaker 5: So in terms of that, what we do is we
• 20:37
  Speaker 5: have the Commonwealth who provide beds for age care and
• 20:40
  Speaker 5: providers come in and bid for them, so you see
• 20:42
  Speaker 5: the non government and private sector they bid, they're provisionally
• 20:45
  Speaker 5: allocated and then they build those beds. We haven't seen
• 20:48
  Speaker 5: that flow through. So nt Health has bid and we've
• 20:51
  Speaker 5: been successful in sixty provisional beds for age care. So
• 20:54
  Speaker 5: there's going to be what sixty speak to us in
• 20:56
  Speaker 5: real person language, does that mean there's going to be
• 20:58
  Speaker 5: sixty extra age care air bed So we've been provisionally
• 21:01
  Speaker 5: allocated them, so we have to make it out it
• 21:04
  Speaker 5: is going to be a specialist dementia bed.
• 21:07
  Speaker 7: So when you say that could happen, how do you do?
• 21:10
  Speaker 7: You have to find the place to put them on
• 21:12
  Speaker 7: something correct.
• 21:12
  Speaker 5: So we would potentially partner with someone or we would
• 21:15
  Speaker 5: build it, but they're fund.
• 21:16
  Speaker 7: Their solution here exactly, turn the Parmaston Hospital into an
• 21:20
  Speaker 7: age care facility sixty beds there. You shut the emergency
• 21:23
  Speaker 7: department there, which.
• 21:25
  Speaker 2: Problems with that with the doubling out.
• 21:29
  Speaker 7: So if you're in an ambulance right and you're going
• 21:31
  Speaker 7: to Parmestan Hospital, it's another fifteen minutes to RDH. At
• 21:34
  Speaker 7: the moment, anyone who's got anything seriously wrong with them
• 21:37
  Speaker 7: is going to the Parmestan Hospital and then they're being
• 21:39
  Speaker 7: put in a care flight ambulance at a cost of
• 21:42
  Speaker 7: five million dollars over three years to then be transferred
• 21:45
  Speaker 7: to third to the Royal Darwin Hospital.
• 21:46
  Speaker 2: It's such a stupidly inefficient system. It's not funny.
• 21:49
  Speaker 7: And if we've got the money for the sixty beds,
• 21:51
  Speaker 7: put them at the Palmeston Hospital.
• 21:52
  Speaker 5: Yes, Palmeston Hospitals one hundred and sixteen bed facility. There's
• 21:56
  Speaker 5: about one hundred beds already left over, and so it
• 22:00
  Speaker 5: would be a new facility. But what it would do
• 22:02
  Speaker 5: because we've got about fifty to sixty age care and
• 22:06
  Speaker 5: disability patients within Rhodzowen and Palmeston Hospital at the moment,
• 22:09
  Speaker 5: and so it would allow us to have people in
• 22:13
  Speaker 5: age care facility providing them with the specialist support they needed.
• 22:18
  Speaker 4: But this is very complicated, like where have.
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: We got the capability to actually do that.
• 22:22
  Speaker 4: We're talking about people's lives here.
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: I don't the microphone keeps getting taken off me.
• 22:27
  Speaker 5: So Katie, we've just got the provisional funding for those
• 22:29
  Speaker 5: beds in the last few weeks. So when now health
• 22:32
  Speaker 5: is now working to look at we probably won't take
• 22:35
  Speaker 5: Matt's view of closing Palmerston Hospital and making an.
• 22:38
  Speaker 4: Age care facility.
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: What about we look at.
• 22:41
  Speaker 5: Those sixty beds and getting those online so that we
• 22:46
  Speaker 5: can free up hospital bed space. So it is complicated,
• 22:49
  Speaker 5: it's not straightforward, but there is options there that we're
• 22:53
  Speaker 5: working in ernest On.
• 22:54
  Speaker 4: They've had five years to fix this. They've been in
• 22:57
  Speaker 4: power last five beds, one hundred and forty percent capacity
• 23:04
  Speaker 4: in this space which we're talking about.
• 23:10
  Speaker 3: Joking, someone had asked whether on the text line someone's
• 23:14
  Speaker 3: asked whether some of those beds out at Howard Springs
• 23:16
  Speaker 3: could be converted to it's just going.
• 23:18
  Speaker 6: To say, so that's three and a half thousand I
• 23:21
  Speaker 6: think it was three and a half thousand facility as
• 23:23
  Speaker 6: the workers a village for the building of the Impects
• 23:25
  Speaker 6: gas plant. Now I know there's about I don't know,
• 23:28
  Speaker 6: fifteen hundred people in there at the moment. Give will
• 23:29
  Speaker 6: take whatever. So there's bound to be an area that
• 23:32
  Speaker 6: could be changed quarantine from the rest of it and
• 23:36
  Speaker 6: turned into agekit. Just because there's one main mentor entrance,
• 23:39
  Speaker 6: it doesn't mean there can't be another main entrance off
• 23:42
  Speaker 6: the Howard Springs Road or off what would road for
• 23:43
  Speaker 6: that matter.
• 23:44
  Speaker 5: So when the Northern Territory Government was looking at the
• 23:48
  Speaker 5: former Impects facility at that time, we did look at seniors,
• 23:53
  Speaker 5: but this is very specific age care and that facility
• 23:57
  Speaker 5: is not suitable. This is people that need full time
• 24:01
  Speaker 5: nursing care. It has to be a number of parameters
• 24:04
  Speaker 5: around that in terms of infrastructure and also the ability
• 24:07
  Speaker 5: to provide that.
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: So but what you.
• 24:08
  Speaker 3: Are telling our listeners this morning is that there is
• 24:11
  Speaker 3: going to be an additional sixty aged care bids. But
• 24:14
  Speaker 3: at this point in time, they're funded, but we don't
• 24:16
  Speaker 3: know where they're going to be yet or exactly how
• 24:19
  Speaker 3: that's going to be rolled out. So Katie, we just
• 24:22
  Speaker 3: got funded for those beds. So the Northern Territory Government,
• 24:25
  Speaker 3: which unusually normally as I said, ngngos and private providers
• 24:28
  Speaker 3: bid for those beds. We said, we're not seeing that
• 24:31
  Speaker 3: flow through and it's impacting our health system. So the
• 24:34
  Speaker 3: NTG has bid for those beds and we've been provisionally
• 24:38
  Speaker 3: allocated them. So we will now work on making that
• 24:40
  Speaker 3: a reality.
• 24:41
  Speaker 4: So I think didn't Little Proud say yesterday that the
• 24:43
  Speaker 4: federal government give the nt government money for age care
• 24:46
  Speaker 4: and then it's up to the NT government how they
• 24:47
  Speaker 4: spend it. And he was saying that he's view with
• 24:49
  Speaker 4: I've spent it unwisely and that's why we've got this
• 24:51
  Speaker 4: problem with the age care and the health system because
• 24:54
  Speaker 4: the government, the NT government, have spent the federal government
• 24:57
  Speaker 4: money unwisely.
• 24:58
  Speaker 5: So in terms of both a care and hospital funding, Katie,
• 25:02
  Speaker 5: there is funding provided from the Commonwealth. It's very specific
• 25:05
  Speaker 5: in terms of age care. Those beds are funded and
• 25:09
  Speaker 5: that then flows through individuals who are eligible that given
• 25:14
  Speaker 5: can be placed in those beds. It's not as simple
• 25:17
  Speaker 5: as what Jared's explaining.
• 25:18
  Speaker 3: I've got to tell you this discussion throughout the week
• 25:21
  Speaker 3: about the health system being in Cathatcher's words, in crisis
• 25:25
  Speaker 3: is something that opened an absolute can of worms.
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: On the show.
• 25:28
  Speaker 3: We have people getting in contact with us in those
• 25:31
  Speaker 3: very situations where they've got elderly parents who've been on
• 25:34
  Speaker 3: waiting lists for two years and still don't have a
• 25:36
  Speaker 3: bed for them now when it's reached that acute situation
• 25:40
  Speaker 3: where they need to find one where they've been stuck.
• 25:43
  Speaker 3: One of the examples is an elderly woman who is
• 25:46
  Speaker 3: still out in the Palmeston Regional Hospital who really needs
• 25:49
  Speaker 3: a long term bed obviously in a facility, but it
• 25:53
  Speaker 3: also raised this conversation with a lot of Territorians contacting
• 25:57
  Speaker 3: us about an inability to act actually gets specialist to
• 26:01
  Speaker 3: be able to see a specialist for various different reasons. Now,
• 26:05
  Speaker 3: I want to take you to what was pretty a
• 26:07
  Speaker 3: pretty heart breaking call. I've got to tell you from Rachel,
• 26:10
  Speaker 3: one of our listeners, a little bit earlier in the week.
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: If you missed it, take a listen to what she
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: had to say.
• 26:15
  Speaker 9: So, I've been a nurse in the territory for eleven
• 26:17
  Speaker 9: years and i don't work in our own health anymore,
• 26:21
  Speaker 9: but I'm a little bit shocked at the time frame
• 26:24
  Speaker 9: that's allowed for an urgent referral. So essentially, the referral
• 26:30
  Speaker 9: goes in and I'm sure that they get hundreds and
• 26:33
  Speaker 9: hundreds of referrals per day, so someone actually has to
• 26:36
  Speaker 9: slight that referral first, and they've told me it takes
• 26:39
  Speaker 9: ten business days for that to actually happen, and then
• 26:41
  Speaker 9: a nurse needs to go and and treat them, and
• 26:44
  Speaker 9: then that needs to go to a doctor for them
• 26:45
  Speaker 9: to have a look at the referral. And see how
• 26:47
  Speaker 9: urgent it is, and then that needs to go to
• 26:49
  Speaker 9: someone else to book me an appointments. Essentially, at the moment,
• 26:53
  Speaker 9: I've got a chicking time bomb in my chest and
• 26:55
  Speaker 9: I can't get anyone to look at it. And I'm
• 26:57
  Speaker 9: giving a bit emotional because I do have two children,
• 27:01
  Speaker 9: and I'm very young, and I just said I know
• 27:04
  Speaker 9: what to do with myself. A whole month is a
• 27:05
  Speaker 9: long time, and I just want to make sure that
• 27:08
  Speaker 9: you know, and if it wasn't something so urgent, you know,
• 27:10
  Speaker 9: there's markers there that is saying that it's very vicious
• 27:13
  Speaker 9: and I am young, so yeah, it's very, very worrying
• 27:17
  Speaker 9: at the moment.
• 27:18
  Speaker 3: I mean, it goes without saying that. You can hear
• 27:20
  Speaker 3: in Rachel's voice how distraught she is and how worried
• 27:23
  Speaker 3: she is, a young, young mum with two small children,
• 27:27
  Speaker 3: obviously waiting for that urgent referral for a mass in
• 27:31
  Speaker 3: her breast. You know, it wasn't the only phone call
• 27:35
  Speaker 3: that we took. It wasn't the only message we talk
• 27:37
  Speaker 3: I had another gentleman get in contact with me and
• 27:40
  Speaker 3: tell me that his brother in law has been diagnosed
• 27:42
  Speaker 3: with prostate cancer. It was a seven week wait for
• 27:46
  Speaker 3: him to be able to get the urgent surgery that
• 27:50
  Speaker 3: he required. So he's gone into state to get that surgery.
• 27:53
  Speaker 3: But then you know, even that in itself is a
• 27:55
  Speaker 3: difficult situation where he's having to go to a hot
• 27:57
  Speaker 3: spot and then having to try and get back.
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: I mean, what is the go here?
• 28:01
  Speaker 3: Do we not have like do we not have enough
• 28:03
  Speaker 3: specialists or what's the situation with people trying to you know,
• 28:07
  Speaker 3: to get those get a diagnosis.
• 28:09
  Speaker 4: I know another story where a person needed an ICU
• 28:12
  Speaker 4: bed and for an emergency and then the time that
• 28:15
  Speaker 4: there was no beds available in the Northern Territory and
• 28:17
  Speaker 4: they had to fly. They were going to fly them
• 28:19
  Speaker 4: to Wa or to Queensland, but that person passed away.
• 28:22
  Speaker 4: So now that there's a long term Territori and who
• 28:24
  Speaker 4: died because they couldn't get an ICU bed, and now
• 28:27
  Speaker 4: the whole family is in grieving about that. So there's
• 28:29
  Speaker 4: some tragic stories about here because the health system is
• 28:32
  Speaker 4: in crisis.
• 28:33
  Speaker 5: So Katie, in terms of and I won't point to
• 28:35
  Speaker 5: those specific cases and respect the privacy of patients. In
• 28:38
  Speaker 5: terms of the case that Jared just raised, there is
• 28:41
  Speaker 5: the health complaints commissioner. So if people feel that the
• 28:43
  Speaker 5: process hasn't supported them, that I always encourage, and that
• 28:46
  Speaker 5: looks that systemic change.
• 28:47
  Speaker 4: See, someone's not going to complain when they've just lost
• 28:49
  Speaker 4: a family member, they're in grief.
• 28:51
  Speaker 5: I you know, my deeper sympathy goes to that family.
• 28:54
  Speaker 5: But what I'm saying is that there is processes within
• 28:57
  Speaker 5: the system. There's patient advocate, there's a health Complaints commissioner,
• 28:59
  Speaker 5: But in terms of Rachel, that's not good enough. And
• 29:02
  Speaker 5: so it is daunting enough having to face an interface
• 29:05
  Speaker 5: with the health system and people not understanding and it
• 29:08
  Speaker 5: is a convoluted process from you know, appointments when you
• 29:12
  Speaker 5: go to a GP and then an interface with specialists
• 29:15
  Speaker 5: and trying to navigate that system. And we do try
• 29:17
  Speaker 5: and make it as easy as possible. There is coordination
• 29:20
  Speaker 5: nurses there, but the system does fail at times and
• 29:24
  Speaker 5: it's not acceptable. And I've asked for Rachel's situation to
• 29:27
  Speaker 5: be reviewed so that but in terms of the situation
• 29:30
  Speaker 5: that Jared raised, I had wasn't aware of that, but
• 29:32
  Speaker 5: of course that is very concerning, but it is it's
• 29:35
  Speaker 5: difficult in terms of the health system, the interface for
• 29:38
  Speaker 5: people when they perhaps go for some routine checkups or
• 29:41
  Speaker 5: they have a scan, there should be a pathway that,
• 29:44
  Speaker 5: particularly when they're facing quite daunting news and they're scared,
• 29:47
  Speaker 5: and even if you know a situation is not you
• 29:51
  Speaker 5: know that they've just got We all know ourselves if
• 29:54
  Speaker 5: we have a scan or we have a test and
• 29:56
  Speaker 5: the results don't come back clear, we become incredibly nervous
• 29:58
  Speaker 5: and incredibly anxious.
• 30:00
  Speaker 3: So issue like, is it something that you are prepared
• 30:03
  Speaker 3: to focus on to try to see you know where
• 30:05
  Speaker 3: this is breaking down? If we've got people who are
• 30:07
  Speaker 3: facing a cancer diagnosis or they're you know, they're waiting.
• 30:11
  Speaker 3: We had another man get in contact with us. He's
• 30:13
  Speaker 3: got skin cancer. He had further melanoma indicators come back
• 30:17
  Speaker 3: this week.
• 30:18
  Speaker 1: He's facing a seven week wait.
• 30:20
  Speaker 3: Seven week wait is what he was told then to
• 30:23
  Speaker 3: be able to get in to see the specialists.
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: Like to you, I mean, does that sound good enough?
• 30:27
  Speaker 5: So it is in terms of the system, people their
• 30:30
  Speaker 5: GP would make a referral and people's condition can change,
• 30:34
  Speaker 5: so they should go back to their GP so their
• 30:36
  Speaker 5: GP can then escalate that higher. And there is within
• 30:41
  Speaker 5: the system, as I said, the patient advocate. If people
• 30:43
  Speaker 5: don't believe that the pathway they've given is acceptable. They
• 30:46
  Speaker 5: can ask for that second opinion, asked for.
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: It to be reviewed, but it is. It is difficult,
• 30:52
  Speaker 1: and of course.
• 30:52
  Speaker 5: We take lessons learned and try and make sure that
• 30:56
  Speaker 5: the system works to support people when they're feeling most vulnerable.
• 30:59
  Speaker 1: Absolutely, I think it's so important.
• 31:01
  Speaker 7: I think we're seeing play out now a chronic issue
• 31:04
  Speaker 7: with underfunding and misplaced funding in our hospital system over
• 31:08
  Speaker 7: a long period of time. At the beginning of last year,
• 31:11
  Speaker 7: the head of the AMA wrote to Greg Hunt and said,
• 31:14
  Speaker 7: we have got a serious situation that is about to
• 31:16
  Speaker 7: eventuate here and we need a hell of a lot
• 31:19
  Speaker 7: more money or we're going to be in a major crisis.
• 31:21
  Speaker 2: And well look where we are now. We're in a
• 31:23
  Speaker 2: major crisis.
• 31:24
  Speaker 5: Now.
• 31:24
  Speaker 2: I know money doesn't.
• 31:25
  Speaker 7: Grow on trees, but I do think the federal government
• 31:27
  Speaker 7: needs to make more of an investment. At the same time,
• 31:30
  Speaker 7: I think the territory government needs to be smarter about
• 31:33
  Speaker 7: how it spends that money.
• 31:34
  Speaker 8: Now.
• 31:35
  Speaker 7: I know that you will laugh at me about this
• 31:36
  Speaker 7: Palmeston Hospital thing, but that is a clear case where
• 31:39
  Speaker 7: politics trumped good policy when it came to where a
• 31:43
  Speaker 7: facility was going to be built. And we're seeing the
• 31:45
  Speaker 7: consequences of that play out now. Now, you know, I
• 31:50
  Speaker 7: know you say that, I'm like, you know, on some
• 31:53
  Speaker 7: crazy tangent, but this is not my view. This is
• 31:56
  Speaker 7: the view of the people who work in the hospital system.
• 31:58
  Speaker 7: I talked to them, Tashed, took them. You talk to them. Ye,
• 32:01
  Speaker 7: you know that this is what they are saying. They
• 32:03
  Speaker 7: are saying them their job is being made more difficult
• 32:06
  Speaker 7: because of that decision. It costs two hundred and fifty
• 32:08
  Speaker 7: million dollars to build that hospital, and it has made
• 32:11
  Speaker 7: their jobs harder. And that's why they are the ones
• 32:13
  Speaker 7: who are saying, we need to fix something here.
• 32:16
  Speaker 2: And so I think two things need to happen.
• 32:18
  Speaker 7: We definitely need more funding in our system, but we
• 32:20
  Speaker 7: also need to be smarter about how we spend that.
• 32:22
  Speaker 4: So, man, I think money seeds to grow on grain
• 32:24
  Speaker 4: seas in lordn Jarify day.
• 32:26
  Speaker 3: Well, you know, we have a few people get in
• 32:28
  Speaker 3: contact with us about that, and I think the optics
• 32:30
  Speaker 3: of it were terrible at the time, and they continue
• 32:32
  Speaker 3: to be like whenever then we talk about this type
• 32:34
  Speaker 3: of thing, it is the you know, it's the lynch
• 32:36
  Speaker 3: pin that people go back to.
• 32:37
  Speaker 6: Well, it may well be the case, but I think
• 32:39
  Speaker 6: there comes a time that the turf club getting the
• 32:42
  Speaker 6: grant and how it was managed by the government and
• 32:44
  Speaker 6: the cabinet and who signed off that sort of stuff.
• 32:46
  Speaker 6: That's for another story in another time, and the Opposition
• 32:48
  Speaker 6: can take that up in Parliament next week and I'm
• 32:50
  Speaker 6: sure they will, but I think we need to look
• 32:52
  Speaker 6: carefully at I'm presuming that all these issues relate to
• 32:55
  Speaker 6: the public system. You know that the overcrowding in the
• 32:57
  Speaker 6: hospitals plus the access to the specialists think we need,
• 33:00
  Speaker 6: and I'm sure the government does it through you know,
• 33:02
  Speaker 6: the Health Department and those experts to look at the
• 33:04
  Speaker 6: critical areas and address them almost not simultaneously, but.
• 33:10
  Speaker 1: They've got to be looked at.
• 33:11
  Speaker 6: Clearly, there's an issue with access to specialists and referrals
• 33:14
  Speaker 6: and I know what Natasha is saying about you go
• 33:16
  Speaker 6: back to your GP, but a lot of people don't
• 33:17
  Speaker 6: know that kind of information and it's good that we
• 33:19
  Speaker 6: can tell it here. But there's an issue with the hospital.
• 33:22
  Speaker 6: There's clearly an issue with the Parmesan Hospital and the
• 33:24
  Speaker 6: age care patients in there as well as that.
• 33:26
  Speaker 1: So there's three key issues here.
• 33:28
  Speaker 6: The agecare people the overcreating like I think it was
• 33:31
  Speaker 6: on this show or another show where a lot of
• 33:33
  Speaker 6: people are coming from the bush to get their trip
• 33:35
  Speaker 6: in the hospital because there's not the health workers out
• 33:37
  Speaker 6: in the bush for whatever reason, not nurses, you know.
• 33:40
  Speaker 6: So we know there's some places where it's unsafe and
• 33:42
  Speaker 6: the nurses leave, et cetera. So there's quite a few
• 33:45
  Speaker 6: issues here and they need to be all identified and
• 33:47
  Speaker 6: whether they all relate back to some key failing or
• 33:51
  Speaker 6: some limitation, whether it be lack of funding. I mean,
• 33:53
  Speaker 6: it's one thing to get more money, but we need
• 33:55
  Speaker 6: more people, you know, we need more nurses, we need
• 33:57
  Speaker 6: I mean, it's not just in this health it's in
• 33:59
  Speaker 6: the public to a system as well.
• 34:01
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's just hospitals now, Like there's clearly.
• 34:04
  Speaker 7: It becomes a sort of snowball effect because the people
• 34:08
  Speaker 7: who we get to come here and work, and you know,
• 34:11
  Speaker 7: in the past, people come here for three months and
• 34:13
  Speaker 7: as you know, they stay for thirty years. But we
• 34:14
  Speaker 7: get people who come here for three months to work
• 34:16
  Speaker 7: in our hospital system and they go, oh my god,
• 34:19
  Speaker 7: I've never had to work so hard in my life.
• 34:20
  Speaker 2: I'm stressed out in my brain.
• 34:21
  Speaker 7: I am leaving and I'm never coming back, you know,
• 34:23
  Speaker 7: And that's that's all the wrong.
• 34:25
  Speaker 1: We are going to have to take a very short break.
• 34:27
  Speaker 3: You are listening to Mix one oh four point nine's
• 34:29
  Speaker 3: three sixty and also broadcasting on APHA. Well, it is
• 34:32
  Speaker 3: the week that was, but this morning a heavy focus
• 34:36
  Speaker 3: obviously on the camp quality radio auction, and I'm very
• 34:39
  Speaker 3: pleased to say that the half day pig Hunt is
• 34:42
  Speaker 3: now sitting five hundred and twenty five dollars from Philip.
• 34:46
  Speaker 3: Philip is now in the lead, so five hundred and
• 34:49
  Speaker 3: twenty five dollars.
• 34:51
  Speaker 4: Going to add to that. There's something extra on that
• 34:53
  Speaker 4: pig hunt. Katie Wolf can come and a husband for free,
• 34:56
  Speaker 4: so she'll be there with us on the NF and
• 35:02
  Speaker 4: her husband get.
• 35:03
  Speaker 1: A country pat will go. I'm sure, but you don't
• 35:07
  Speaker 1: need me there. I'm a proper girl, a city girl.
• 35:11
  Speaker 4: You can check your wall off.
• 35:12
  Speaker 1: Well, I don't know if I'm.
• 35:13
  Speaker 3: Real city because I grew up in Madison, so you
• 35:15
  Speaker 3: can't be very much A yeah.
• 35:18
  Speaker 1: That's right.
• 35:19
  Speaker 5: Now.
• 35:19
  Speaker 3: There is so much to cover off on this morning,
• 35:21
  Speaker 3: and I'm courtious that we're running out of time, but
• 35:24
  Speaker 3: we might even if someone wants to bid on it.
• 35:25
  Speaker 3: Maybe I could even drop the news for the hour
• 35:27
  Speaker 3: and just go with the.
• 35:28
  Speaker 1: Show for a bit longer.
• 35:30
  Speaker 3: But the Daily by election was obviously had last weekend,
• 35:34
  Speaker 3: and we know that Territory Labor won the Daily by
• 35:36
  Speaker 3: election with candidate Duran Young were winning that seat off
• 35:40
  Speaker 3: the Country Liberal Party opposition. The Northern Territory Chief Minister
• 35:44
  Speaker 3: Michael Gunna took to social media to declare that victory
• 35:47
  Speaker 3: and Well had said tonight's historic victory and Daily the
• 35:50
  Speaker 3: first time ever that a government's won a seat off
• 35:53
  Speaker 3: the opposition in a by election is incredibly humbling, is.
• 35:57
  Speaker 1: What he wrote. Nothing to do with the chief minister seat.
• 36:00
  Speaker 1: It was more to do with how things happened on.
• 36:03
  Speaker 2: The ground, and.
• 36:05
  Speaker 6: We all know that how Labor operates in the bush
• 36:08
  Speaker 6: in these bush remote seats.
• 36:11
  Speaker 1: I'll just clarify Natasha doesn't have a microphone just so
• 36:15
  Speaker 1: she can have mine, I mean, and it will where's Leah.
• 36:19
  Speaker 4: She's gone into hiding week.
• 36:21
  Speaker 1: Every day this week she has been in here to
• 36:24
  Speaker 1: clear alone.
• 36:26
  Speaker 5: She put herself all over that campaign and she's saying
• 36:29
  Speaker 5: it's a success to lose a seat. So I'd hate
• 36:31
  Speaker 5: to see that if it was a disaster what that
• 36:33
  Speaker 5: would have been.
• 36:34
  Speaker 1: He listen, Labor did exactly what they do in all
• 36:36
  Speaker 1: their campaigns. They flooded. They flooded the area and the
• 36:38
  Speaker 1: booths with all the hot shots.
• 36:40
  Speaker 6: Marrion Scrimjeels out there and Warren s Nutt and all
• 36:42
  Speaker 6: his stuff, and Natasha Files was out there.
• 36:45
  Speaker 1: All the current ministers. Don't ask me what they were saying.
• 36:47
  Speaker 6: To the local people to get them to hop onto
• 36:49
  Speaker 6: the bus and be carted to the polling booth. But
• 36:52
  Speaker 6: I'm sure there might have been the occasional enticement and
• 36:55
  Speaker 6: a smile from the Health minister.
• 36:56
  Speaker 1: That's a serious allegation.
• 36:58
  Speaker 5: Easier you might, but in the rural area football talk
• 37:05
  Speaker 5: about cop have got a lot of questions to answer.
• 37:08
  Speaker 5: It's a Shameley is not here to answer them this morning.
• 37:10
  Speaker 5: But she's probably trying to hang onto her leadership.
• 37:13
  Speaker 4: But this was never ever a test of leader, never
• 37:16
  Speaker 4: ever tested the leadership. She's got a hundred percent backing
• 37:19
  Speaker 4: from us, so the whole party and the wind. It's
• 37:22
  Speaker 4: not about you know. This is about what we do,
• 37:24
  Speaker 4: how we come back, and how we get there. For
• 37:26
  Speaker 4: the most, we've got three years to come back. Unlike
• 37:28
  Speaker 4: the Labor's nine point one billion dollar debt is going
• 37:30
  Speaker 4: to be there forever and the only cost amy measure
• 37:32
  Speaker 4: they even spoke about has now been thrown in the bin.
• 37:35
  Speaker 4: So talking about her historic issues, let's talk about about
• 37:40
  Speaker 4: billion dollars worth of debt with no name.
• 37:46
  Speaker 6: Let me go, this is an important ISSI it's an
• 37:48
  Speaker 6: important issue. I'm going to keep referring it until this
• 37:51
  Speaker 6: government addresses it and tells us the truth. Now it's
• 37:54
  Speaker 6: to do with the school based constables. Now I know
• 37:56
  Speaker 6: the chairman of to ME. We put a note up
• 37:57
  Speaker 6: and she's actually just the mess and it's replied. I
• 38:00
  Speaker 6: think Chris sebat Is replied, we didn't get one. Replied
• 38:04
  Speaker 6: that I was tracking that site. Didn't get one reply
• 38:06
  Speaker 6: out of labor. We do not have school based constables.
• 38:09
  Speaker 6: And I use the word constable, not auxiliaries. At T
• 38:12
  Speaker 6: mid min it's we're going into term four. We're in
• 38:15
  Speaker 6: week week term three, week nine, we're going to term
• 38:18
  Speaker 6: four and we still don't know what are going to
• 38:21
  Speaker 6: be the arrangements for to MIM with two school based consobles.
• 38:24
  Speaker 6: Don't tell me they're going to be auxiliaries, because I
• 38:26
  Speaker 6: don't that's a they're trying to pull a shifty, Katie.
• 38:28
  Speaker 6: The police Minister and the Commissioner of Police are pulling
• 38:31
  Speaker 6: a shifty taking the constables out.
• 38:36
  Speaker 2: Take a shifty.
• 38:38
  Speaker 6: It's a shifty now that mister Young did not comment,
• 38:42
  Speaker 6: and that's a critical issue to me, Minu. It's got
• 38:44
  Speaker 6: twelve hundred to thirteen hundred students and we don't have
• 38:47
  Speaker 6: And I know there's an issue with.
• 38:48
  Speaker 1: Sanderson Middle or High school as well.
• 38:50
  Speaker 6: They've been told that they're not necessarily going to get
• 38:52
  Speaker 6: school based constables. And when the school based constable is there,
• 38:55
  Speaker 6: they can't even address a particular unfortunate incident in the school.
• 38:59
  Speaker 6: They have to call police and they are a police officer.
• 39:01
  Speaker 6: So the whole system's bloody just gone stupid.
• 39:04
  Speaker 1: It's got shifted.
• 39:05
  Speaker 6: I'll watch some direct honest answers, and this Durren Younghow
• 39:08
  Speaker 6: actually didn't even have the courtesy to reply to the
• 39:11
  Speaker 6: comment I have to.
• 39:11
  Speaker 5: Run is a wonderful person and I will make sure
• 39:15
  Speaker 5: that after this he goes back and listens to the audio.
• 39:18
  Speaker 5: And I think that he's really excited to get out there.
• 39:20
  Speaker 5: He has lived in what I and schools, as we know,
• 39:23
  Speaker 5: as local members are important part of our community, so
• 39:25
  Speaker 5: I'll certainly make sure he's.
• 39:26
  Speaker 4: Aware of it.
• 39:27
  Speaker 3: And whatever you're about to read, we have got a
• 39:30
  Speaker 3: message here. It says, good morning, Katie. Following on from
• 39:32
  Speaker 3: KEESI epirics talk on Wednesday on the chairperson of a
• 39:35
  Speaker 3: school council, the teacher representative of my counsel always makes
• 39:38
  Speaker 3: our counsel aware of the goings on with the police
• 39:41
  Speaker 3: base constables. The latest is a watered down version of
• 39:44
  Speaker 3: the valuable program with the following reclassification of the position
• 39:49
  Speaker 3: from officers to auxiliaries, new guidelines which has not been released,
• 39:54
  Speaker 3: the curriculum developed that auxiliaries will deliver, and this person says,
• 39:58
  Speaker 3: my view is that the Education Department gives three million
• 40:01
  Speaker 3: dollars in funding to the police for the police based
• 40:04
  Speaker 3: constable's program, and yet we have no say in what
• 40:07
  Speaker 3: the program will deliver. So that is from the well,
• 40:10
  Speaker 3: that is from the one of the chair people from
• 40:13
  Speaker 3: a school council, and I think that message sort of
• 40:15
  Speaker 3: has cut.
• 40:15
  Speaker 1: Off at the end. So I'm not sure which school,
• 40:17
  Speaker 1: but it's clearly an issue out there.
• 40:18
  Speaker 4: Seems like another failure on behalf of labor. I know
• 40:21
  Speaker 4: that commendment. There was an incident where there was an
• 40:22
  Speaker 4: assaults out there, the assaults out on the road that
• 40:25
  Speaker 4: were reported to the police, reported to the school and
• 40:28
  Speaker 4: essentially the student got banfi and back again. So there
• 40:32
  Speaker 4: the police officer there on the spot. It might better fixate.
• 40:35
  Speaker 4: Can I go back to.
• 40:36
  Speaker 2: Give you my two bob's worth.
• 40:37
  Speaker 3: On thespital listening, I'm dropping the news.
• 40:43
  Speaker 1: Shifty business going on in I just.
• 40:46
  Speaker 7: Think it was just a spectacular internal failure by the CLP, right,
• 40:50
  Speaker 7: and it's one that and it's one that that sort
• 40:53
  Speaker 7: of transpired over a period of time. You go back
• 40:56
  Speaker 7: to even before the twenty sixteen election where the literally
• 40:59
  Speaker 7: Field branch of the c LP tried to get rid
• 41:02
  Speaker 7: of Gary Higgins. He had to go to Central Council
• 41:04
  Speaker 7: to get pre selected, made to do that.
• 41:07
  Speaker 2: Gary Lichfield branch was going to boot him out.
• 41:10
  Speaker 8: Part of.
• 41:14
  Speaker 4: You know, you've got that wrong. I can say that absolutely.
• 41:19
  Speaker 2: Did the Lichfield branch not pre selection.
• 41:23
  Speaker 4: You've got a choice where to go, and Gary chose
• 41:26
  Speaker 4: to do that.
• 41:26
  Speaker 7: They got that one wrong, right, and and they didn't
• 41:31
  Speaker 7: support him the whole way through, right, and and he
• 41:33
  Speaker 7: is the first person they should have gone to at
• 41:35
  Speaker 7: the beginning of this campaign and they should have said, Gary,
• 41:38
  Speaker 7: help us out, because he is the reason that they
• 41:40
  Speaker 7: won that seat, not just the two times that he
• 41:43
  Speaker 7: won it, but when he and Slowan wanted it as well,
• 41:45
  Speaker 7: because he was backing and Slowan in what air where
• 41:48
  Speaker 7: people know him, where people like him, and where people.
• 41:50
  Speaker 2: Respect him, and then family out there exactly.
• 41:53
  Speaker 7: And then when you pre select a guy, and Chris
• 41:55
  Speaker 7: Sibtrees is a lovely bloke and I think one day
• 41:57
  Speaker 7: you'll make a good politician, but no one in what
• 42:00
  Speaker 7: had a clue who he was, and.
• 42:02
  Speaker 2: So they weren't going to vote for him.
• 42:03
  Speaker 7: So you can sort of claim that there were funny
• 42:05
  Speaker 7: buggers going on and this, and that the reason the
• 42:07
  Speaker 7: COLP lost the Daily by election is because they didn't
• 42:11
  Speaker 7: bring Gary Higgins into the tent and they didn't get
• 42:13
  Speaker 7: him to help them.
• 42:14
  Speaker 2: And if they hadn't done that, they would have won.
• 42:17
  Speaker 4: There you go.
• 42:17
  Speaker 3: Hey, we're gonna have to take a very short break.
• 42:19
  Speaker 3: I've still dropped the news, my boss. If you're listening,
• 42:21
  Speaker 3: I'm happy to make a donation to Camp Quality if
• 42:23
  Speaker 3: I'm not to. But look, well we have just had
• 42:29
  Speaker 3: a so we're currently sitting at five hundred and twenty
• 42:32
  Speaker 3: five dollars from Philip for the pig hunt. We're sitting
• 42:35
  Speaker 3: at fifty dollars from Matt Cunningham for the go to
• 42:37
  Speaker 3: Manu and were sitting.
• 42:39
  Speaker 1: On the lambs and they're cuddling the lambs.
• 42:41
  Speaker 3: And we've also got four hundred dollars bid for the
• 42:44
  Speaker 3: loan Pine Medals so far this morning.
• 42:46
  Speaker 1: Thank you to wov's been for the Lone Pine meek.
• 42:48
  Speaker 3: So Nick has bid four hundred dollars for the loan
• 42:51
  Speaker 3: Pine Medals. We're going to take a very short break
• 42:52
  Speaker 3: because I'm very mindful that you all.
• 42:54
  Speaker 5: Do studio today held being health stands.
• 43:00
  Speaker 1: Are going to take a very short break. You are
• 43:02
  Speaker 1: listening to Mix one oh four point nine.
• 43:03
  Speaker 3: It is the week that well, you are listening to
• 43:05
  Speaker 3: Mix one oh four point nine also broadcasting on eight
• 43:08
  Speaker 3: AJ and Well, before we wrap up this morning, let's
• 43:11
  Speaker 3: talk briefly about this public service wage freeze.
• 43:14
  Speaker 1: We do know that it's got.
• 43:16
  Speaker 3: Plenty of well, plenty of business people, I think, or
• 43:19
  Speaker 3: you know, lots of no, not so much business people,
• 43:21
  Speaker 3: but people who are employed in the private sector not
• 43:25
  Speaker 3: so happy about our public servants really overwhelmingly rejecting a
• 43:30
  Speaker 3: pay and conditions offer from the Commissioner for Public Employment
• 43:33
  Speaker 3: that would see their wages frozen for four years. Plenty
• 43:36
  Speaker 3: of people in the community saying live and had a
• 43:38
  Speaker 3: pay increase for some time. I've had to take my
• 43:42
  Speaker 3: job being cut back as a result of COVID and
• 43:44
  Speaker 3: various other things. But nonetheless this wage freeze, it's going
• 43:48
  Speaker 3: to only see a one thousand dollars annual bonus. There's
• 43:52
  Speaker 3: always two sides to an argument. I know that the
• 43:54
  Speaker 3: union was on earlier in the week and said, you know, Katie,
• 43:56
  Speaker 3: we're talking about public servants who spend their money out
• 43:59
  Speaker 3: in the community at those private businesses.
• 44:02
  Speaker 1: What's everyone on the panel think.
• 44:04
  Speaker 4: I'd start with this, let's take one step back, let's
• 44:06
  Speaker 4: talk about it that this this will all come about,
• 44:09
  Speaker 4: this all came about.
• 44:10
  Speaker 1: I get to say my piece. I feel this all.
• 44:13
  Speaker 4: This all came about because the massive overspend of the government,
• 44:17
  Speaker 4: and this is going to be their one cost saving mesum.
• 44:20
  Speaker 1: Remember wasted the money in the minister you.
• 44:23
  Speaker 4: Spend the money the Minister to the unit of ripping
• 44:28
  Speaker 4: up the budget is.
• 44:31
  Speaker 7: Two hundred million that were that infrastructure fund you guys
• 44:34
  Speaker 7: then pulled from the sale to you guys.
• 44:37
  Speaker 6: Talk about spend it and wasted ten million on a
• 44:40
  Speaker 6: water boating plant.
• 44:41
  Speaker 4: This why this was the only cast saving measure that
• 44:45
  Speaker 4: the government had put in their budget and now look
• 44:48
  Speaker 4: at it, it's in the bin.
• 44:48
  Speaker 6: Look why should the public servants or public officials call
• 44:52
  Speaker 6: them what you want, just normal ordinary territories across the territory.
• 44:56
  Speaker 6: Why should they have to take a four year wage
• 44:59
  Speaker 6: freeze or with one thousand dollars bonus at end of
• 45:01
  Speaker 6: the year, like woohoo? What is the Public Service Commission
• 45:04
  Speaker 6: monitor sand clause? But I mean a lot of those people,
• 45:09
  Speaker 6: probably fair chunk of them work very hard and diligently,
• 45:11
  Speaker 6: So why should they have to take a pay cup
• 45:13
  Speaker 6: because of the government's failing.
• 45:15
  Speaker 2: The reason they.
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  Speaker 7: Should is because if you look in the Langolant report itself,
• 45:20
  Speaker 7: the growth in public sector wages over the past ten,
• 45:24
  Speaker 7: fifteen to twenty years has far outstripped the growth in
• 45:28
  Speaker 7: private sector wages, and Langoland even says it's got to
• 45:31
  Speaker 7: a point where it's making it really difficult for private
• 45:34
  Speaker 7: businesses to attract staff because the pay and conditions in
• 45:38
  Speaker 7: the public service are so much more generous. There's nine
• 45:41
  Speaker 7: hundred and seventy different leave entitlements nine hundred and seventy
• 45:45
  Speaker 7: three after this new agreement that offers gender reassignment leave,
• 45:50
  Speaker 7: naydoc week leave, and something else you know that are
• 45:54
  Speaker 7: available to public servants across the Northern Territory. In the
• 45:57
  Speaker 7: private sector, their wages have been flatlining for a lot
• 45:59
  Speaker 7: of time. In the public sector they keep going up,
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  Speaker 7: and now that has just created this inequality that not
• 46:06
  Speaker 7: only means that public servants are better paid, but it
• 46:08
  Speaker 7: also makes it really difficult for private businesses to attract workers.
• 46:12
  Speaker 6: I make the point it's just common on what Matt said,
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  Speaker 6: I take your point about that. I'll call them technical
• 46:17
  Speaker 6: and professional kind of people. Now, I was talking to
• 46:21
  Speaker 6: a business or a business person the other day, and
• 46:23
  Speaker 6: there's very few qualified technical and professional people within DIPPLE,
• 46:28
  Speaker 6: the infrastructure department, whether they be engineers or surveyors or
• 46:32
  Speaker 6: people of that kind of discipline. I know within the
• 46:35
  Speaker 6: Mines department last year there was not a mining engineer.
• 46:38
  Speaker 6: I don't know if they've recruited one since then, but
• 46:41
  Speaker 6: we're talking about a mining department that has to address
• 46:44
  Speaker 6: all the issues across the mining sector. They don't have
• 46:46
  Speaker 6: a mining engineer. They used to have electrical engineers and
• 46:49
  Speaker 6: other engineers. So I agree with Matt on that point.
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  Speaker 6: They're not attracting the technical and professional people that we
• 46:54
  Speaker 6: need within government, and then we can't then blame government
• 46:57
  Speaker 6: for poor service in regards to technical areas because they're
• 47:00
  Speaker 6: not competing with the product sector they get that bit
• 47:03
  Speaker 6: of money in.
• 47:04
  Speaker 2: We are.
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  Speaker 3: We are going to have to wrap up, Fozy. I'll
• 47:07
  Speaker 3: let you have one last comment there on that one.
• 47:09
  Speaker 5: We know what the CPE do, the cut the public service.
• 47:14
  Speaker 3: We are going to have to wrap up. That is
• 47:17
  Speaker 3: the week that was. Thank you all so very much
• 47:19
  Speaker 3: for your time. We are going to keep those those
• 47:22
  Speaker 3: bids coming in. We know that Nick has been four
• 47:24
  Speaker 3: hundred dollars for the Lone Pine Medals. The pig Hunt
• 47:27
  Speaker 3: is sitting with Philip at five hundred and twenty five.
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  Speaker 4: I'm not going.
• 47:32
  Speaker 1: I'm not going that is. So that's it for us
• 47:35
  Speaker 1: for the week there was.
• 47:36
  Speaker 3: But we are going to continue on with the Camp
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• 47:43
  Speaker 3: so very much for your time this morning.