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Credlin | 6 May · Credlin

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Speaker 1: Peter Krandland live on Sky News Australia.
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Speaker 2: Good evening, Great to have your company. Here's what's coming
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Speaker 2: up on the show tonight. Well, she might have claimed
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Speaker 2: victory on Saturday night, but Zoe Daniel has become the
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Speaker 2: first Till MP this afternoon to lose her seat. Now
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Speaker 2: is this a sign that voters are starting to see
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Speaker 2: through these gucci Greens? John Roskin joins me shortly, growing
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Speaker 2: calls too for quotas within the Liberal Party and he
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Speaker 2: claims the Coalition's got a problem with female voters. I'll
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Speaker 2: get you my take on this in a moment, so too,
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Speaker 2: we'll just end it dam for jimper Price.
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Speaker 3: I'll also ask.
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Speaker 2: Her too about her future ambitions nuclear power, the Coalition's
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Speaker 2: plan the future proof Australia's energy needs.
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Speaker 3: Now? Is that all over? What happens now too?
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Speaker 2: With Labour's pushed for eighty two percent renewables in just
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Speaker 2: five years time Energy expert Aid Morrison joins me and
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Speaker 2: later ways in on the coalition's campaign blame game as
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Speaker 2: it all ramps up. The Liberal Party does not represent
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Speaker 2: middle Australia. We see that in the seat results in
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Speaker 2: the suburbs and cities of this country. But first, as
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Speaker 2: the election wash up continues, the jostling for positions took
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Speaker 2: center stage today. For the Liberals, it was again this
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Speaker 2: nonsense being pedled that if we had more women candidates,
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Speaker 2: we would have won, and if we had more female
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Speaker 2: leaders we would have done better. Outgoing WA Liberals Senator
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Speaker 2: Linda Reynolds is arguing that Susan Lee should be the
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Speaker 2: next leader to overcome the party's so called female problem.
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Speaker 2: Others argue that the entire leadership team, both the leader
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Speaker 2: and the deputy, must be women, regardless really of who
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Speaker 2: those women are and their ability to lead. Now, the
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Speaker 2: whole female push might be sold as doing better with women.
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Speaker 2: I'll explain in a moment where that falls flat. But
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Speaker 2: right now, in the midst of a leadership battle, the
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Speaker 2: whole debate about gender is just a smoke screen for
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Speaker 2: what really is a factional fight between the right on
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Speaker 2: one hand, who are supporting Anchus Taylor, and the party's
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Speaker 2: left flank, who wants Susan Lee to get the job.
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Speaker 2: The left think that if you make it all about
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Speaker 2: Lee's gender, then somehow you will force the hand.
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Speaker 3: Of the party room.
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Speaker 2: Well, here's some facts that might jolt some reality into
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Speaker 2: this debate. Fact the Liberals had a female in their
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Speaker 2: leadership team. That was Susan Lee, the Liberal deputy leader. Labor,
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Speaker 2: on the other hand, well they had a male leader
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Speaker 2: and a male deputy.
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Speaker 3: Guess what.
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Speaker 2: The Libs were smashed. Having a woman in the second
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Speaker 2: most powerful position in the Liberal Party. Well, that didn't
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Speaker 2: save them on the weekend, and Susan Lee's influence didn't
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Speaker 2: make the policies on offer any more appealing to female voters. Now,
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Speaker 2: don't get me wrong, I want the Libs to have
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Speaker 2: more women in Parliament. I want them to do better
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Speaker 2: with female voters and I'd love us one day to
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Speaker 2: have a female leader who wins government from oppers position,
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Speaker 2: not someone just installed in the job, as Labour's done
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Speaker 2: with so many of its female leaders just sit to
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Speaker 2: Alan be just one example in Victoria.
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Speaker 3: I want a woman who gets there from opposition.
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Speaker 2: As a woman on the right are long for the
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Speaker 2: day when we see a Margaret Thatcher sort of woman
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Speaker 2: get to the top a sheet in in nineteen seventy nine.
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Speaker 2: That's forty six years ago and not a quota in sight.
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Speaker 2: As Liberals, talent and hard work is what should matter
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Speaker 2: it's the great leveler. It's what decides positions in the party,
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Speaker 2: because that means then that every job is open to all,
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Speaker 2: if it's about merit, if it's about hard work.
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Speaker 3: That's the liberal way, or it used to be and
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Speaker 3: should be now. In terms of.
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Speaker 2: Candidates on the weekend, it's been a long time since
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Speaker 2: the Libs have had such an impressive list of female candidates,
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Speaker 2: and yet many of them, indeed most of them, they
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Speaker 2: did not win, even when running against a male incumbent.
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Speaker 2: Just being a female candidate was not enough because, as
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Speaker 2: I have said here repeatedly, women just don't vote for
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Speaker 2: a woman because of her chromosomes. Like male voters, We've
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Speaker 2: got brains in our head too. We base our decisions
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Speaker 2: and all the same factors that they do. What's the
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Speaker 2: background of the candidate, what's the party offering me, what
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Speaker 2: does it stand for? What sort of policies do they
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Speaker 2: have on offer? This idea that a female face on
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Speaker 2: a core flute and perhaps a policy about contraception on
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Speaker 2: the PBS is enough to win over female voters, that
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Speaker 2: is insulting. We care about the economy as much as education,
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Speaker 2: We care about national security as well as many care Now,
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Speaker 2: these things are not mutually exclusive. It's not an either
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Speaker 2: or proposition. Where the Libs went wrong is that was
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Speaker 2: a failure of policy across the board and where gender
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Speaker 2: was relevant. It was more about how they shaped and
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Speaker 2: sold policies to women, rather than say, dressing up health
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Speaker 2: and anouncements into a women's package and thinking that alone
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Speaker 2: would do their job. As I've said before, if you
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Speaker 2: think slapping a pick cover on the front of a
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Speaker 2: policy is enough to win women over, you are kidding yourself.
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Speaker 3: Now I'll give you an example. Housing. Now, I know
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Speaker 3: a lot of.
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Speaker 2: Pro women advocates would not nominate housing as a key
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Speaker 2: women's policy area, but I would. In a majority of cases,
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Speaker 2: it's women who choose the home. Men might help stump
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Speaker 2: up for the mortgage, but it's women who have a
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Speaker 2: big say in house A over house B or the
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Speaker 2: suburbs where a family might put down roots. It's still
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Speaker 2: largely women who turn a house into a home who
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Speaker 2: worry when the mortgage or the rent goes up, how
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Speaker 2: the money left is going to stretch across all the
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Speaker 2: things that have to be paid for grocery bills, power bill,
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Speaker 2: school uniforms.
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Speaker 3: It's women who worry.
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Speaker 2: At least as much as men about how their kids
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Speaker 2: are going to get a foot on the property ladder
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Speaker 2: and how their girls in particular are going to be
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Speaker 2: financially independent. And key in all of this, of course,
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Speaker 2: is housing. It's women who, as they age, are often
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Speaker 2: the most housing insecure, as they don't have the same
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Speaker 2: superbalances as men. It's women too who worry about their
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Speaker 2: elderly parents because it's mostly women who have to juggle
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Speaker 2: the caring role that we all assume as our parents' age.
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Speaker 2: So there's a very significant emotional involvement of women in
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Speaker 2: the housing policy area. And yet the liberals policy response
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Speaker 2: here it was poor.
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Speaker 3: It was disjointed.
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Speaker 2: It had some good elements like access to super for
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Speaker 2: a home deposit, but there wasn't enough in the package overall,
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Speaker 2: and what was there was badly sold. Childcare well, that's
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Speaker 2: another example the Labour talk about childcare being a really
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Speaker 2: big benefit for women. We as taxpayer spend some sixteen
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Speaker 2: billion a year paying for childcare, but that's really about
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Speaker 2: labor using it to grow their union base, because it's
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Speaker 2: only unionized childcare centers that get that money. If it
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Speaker 2: was me, if I was back writing Liberal Party policy,
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Speaker 2: I would argue we paid the money direct to parents,
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Speaker 2: not unionized childcare centers. Give parents the choice about whether
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Speaker 2: they want to put their kid into a childcare center
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Speaker 2: or use the money to help pay for help in
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Speaker 2: the home, or let mum or dad stay home longer
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Speaker 2: to look after the child, because choice is always the
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Speaker 2: Liberal way. My point is that good policy always wins.
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Speaker 2: Bad policy always hurts you, and every portfolio can be
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Speaker 2: developed to appeal to women as well as men, if
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Speaker 2: you craft it right, if you understand the demands on voters,
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Speaker 2: if you build it in concert with your values.
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Speaker 3: This is where the Liberal Party failed.
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Speaker 2: Liberals have always believed in self reliance and people being
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Speaker 2: able to work hard and get ahead, and getting people
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Speaker 2: into their own home is key to growing a.
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Speaker 3: Whole new generation of Liberal supporters.
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Speaker 2: I mean, housing should have been foundation policies on the weekend,
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Speaker 2: and it was it. Now, to those who think that
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Speaker 2: just winning over women with a policy that funds women's
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Speaker 2: health better, that's simplistic. It's embarrassingly simplistic, and you completely
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Speaker 2: misunderstand the dynamics of life in electorates across the country.
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Speaker 2: Back to one point about the leadership the Liberals had
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Speaker 2: a female deputy leader, and yet they clearly didn't help
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Speaker 2: them get these policies right.
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Speaker 3: Did it right? Now?
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Speaker 2: The Liberals need the best team they can put together.
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Speaker 2: It won't be perfect. It will be from whom ever's
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Speaker 2: managed to hold onto their seat to the Parliament. But
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Speaker 2: it must be based on merit, and on that score,
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Speaker 2: there are plenty of women to choose from with merit.
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Speaker 2: To send an Amber jiper Price, She's just but one example.
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Speaker 3: She makes the grade on talent alone.
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Speaker 2: If the Liberals were to go down the path of
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Speaker 2: denying anyone a job because they weren't of the right gender,
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Speaker 2: that the spot was somehow owed to a woman, then
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Speaker 2: we would debase the whole foundation of the Liberal party
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Speaker 2: movement that's always stood for the power of the individual
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Speaker 2: over the state. What next we have quotas based on race. Well,
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Speaker 2: that was the whole fight about the voice. That was
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Speaker 2: an anathema. Just look at Labor this week they will
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Speaker 2: be forced to dump a male from the cabinet to
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Speaker 2: make room for newly elected Tasmanian MP Rebecca White as
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Speaker 2: part of a gender factional deal. This first term Federal
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Speaker 2: Labor MP will go straight into cabinet, she'll be given
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Speaker 2: a portfolio by the Prime Minister, and she will then
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Speaker 2: be responsible for spending billions and billions of your money.
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Speaker 2: White is forty two years of age. She's been a
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Speaker 2: staffer and a professional state politician her.
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Speaker 3: Whole working life. She's never had another job.
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Speaker 2: She's never been a minister, never run a small business,
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Speaker 2: she's never run a portfolio, never had any government experience.
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Speaker 3: Yet because she is a war men, and she'll go now.
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Speaker 2: I'm of the school that says cabinet should be earned
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Speaker 2: by good performance on the backbench than any out of
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Speaker 2: ministry that served us well for generations, but not if
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Speaker 2: your gender becomes the biggest determinant of your advancement, not
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Speaker 2: your experience or your achievements. Today, former Liberal Senator Simon
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Speaker 2: Birmingham has demanded the party bring in quotas. Others too,
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Speaker 2: like former National Party staff are former Skynese reporter Charlotte Mortlocke.
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Speaker 4: It is absolutely paramount that we have quotas. I don't
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Speaker 4: even think it's negotiable at this point. And if we
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Speaker 4: say we do targets again, what for a third time,
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Speaker 4: We're going to fail at that.
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Speaker 2: I mean, she's well meaning but she doesn't get it.
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Speaker 2: The more the Liberal parties that comes to pressure for
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Speaker 2: things like quotas, the more it resembles a labor party,
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Speaker 2: and politics should be an intellectual contest between two different teams,
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Speaker 2: not a beauty contest between two teams that increasingly agree.
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Speaker 3: With each other.
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Speaker 2: A leader's job is not to give people what they want,
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Speaker 2: but give them what they need, and good political leaders
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Speaker 2: don't just follow focus groups. They bring the public with
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Speaker 2: them through the ability to create an argument and win
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Speaker 2: a contest. Now, obviously, the next leader of the Liberal
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Speaker 2: Party is up to the new party room to pick,
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Speaker 2: but it should be the person who's most capable of
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Speaker 2: carrying the arguments of rebuilding a party broken after last weekend,
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Speaker 2: a party though, that stays close to its values, not
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Speaker 2: the person who best ticks the identity boxes. If you
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Speaker 2: think we've got problems now liberals, let me tell you
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Speaker 2: making the party labor light will not fix them all
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Speaker 2: right headlines now with Reuben Spargo, the search.
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Speaker 5: For a new Liberal leader is intensifying, but the front
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Speaker 5: runners in the contest are keeping quiet. Sky News understands
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Speaker 5: Angus Taylor and Susan Lee are canvassing numbers to clinch
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Speaker 5: the position. Dantee and has previously been floated as a contender.
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Speaker 5: The field for Peter Dutton's replacement narrowed after Andrew Hasty.
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Speaker 6: Ruled himself out.
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Speaker 5: Vote counting is still under way, meaning the final makeup
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Speaker 5: of the party room remains unknown. Liberal figures are calling
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Speaker 5: for gender quotas in the party to demonstrate change. Simon Birmingham,
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Speaker 5: a former leading moderate, claims the concept may be a liberal,
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Speaker 5: but he's struggling to think of any alternatives to reflect
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Speaker 5: modern society. Not everyone agrees.
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Speaker 7: I am uncomfortable with quotas because fundamentally I believe that
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Speaker 7: the best person.
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Speaker 3: For the job should get the job.
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Speaker 5: The party currently has gender targets in place. Internal tension
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Speaker 5: within the Liberals is escalating as members seek to understand
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Speaker 5: what went wrong. Tasmanian Senator Jonathan Dunham claims there was
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Speaker 5: failures within campaign HQ.
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Speaker 6: We were let down by posters and strategy.
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Speaker 8: Just switch frankly gave us a bum steer of the
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Speaker 8: worst order.
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Speaker 5: The party's federal vice president is pointing to the coalition's
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Speaker 5: work from home policy.
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Speaker 4: One candidate in what was considered a tight seat, within
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Speaker 4: a couple of days of it being announced said there
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Speaker 4: was a cold shiver that just went through the electrotic
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Speaker 4: just turned off.
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Speaker 3: It possibly could have been pivoted earlier.
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Speaker 5: As the Liberal Party soul searchers, Labor and Peas will
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Speaker 5: meet on Friday in Parliament.
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Speaker 3: All right to night too.
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Speaker 2: There are a number of steats still in play, so
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Speaker 2: let's get a count and where we are at with
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Speaker 2: our chief election analyst, Tom Connell.
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Speaker 8: The seat of Goldstein in the southeast of Melbourne here
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Speaker 8: is going from Teal back to blue. We were able
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Speaker 8: to confirm that today with the amount of vote coming
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Speaker 8: in now. Yes, it's a very small margin at the
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Speaker 8: moment for Tim Wills and the order of three hundred
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Speaker 8: or so votes, but the postal games he's getting at
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Speaker 8: the moment will put him ahead by more than.
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Speaker 6: Two thousand conservatively.
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Speaker 8: That's not the sort of margin that Zoe Daniel can
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Speaker 8: win back from absent votes that are going to come in,
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Speaker 8: so he will win that seat. What about some of
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Speaker 8: the other contests as well, in terms of Teal versus
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Speaker 8: the Liberal Party. Let's go in and have a look
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Speaker 8: at the seat of Couyong, hotly contested here and you
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Speaker 8: can see this stage it is still a lead form
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Speaker 8: Anique Ryan. Again, the problem for her is going to
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Speaker 8: be postal votes. So she's in the lead by just
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Speaker 8: under a thousand votes. When we go to these postals though,
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Speaker 8: and how they're flowing right now, you can see it's
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Speaker 8: a very strong rate at the moment for Amelia Hamer.
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Speaker 6: So on these eleven thousand.
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Speaker 8: Or nearly twelve thousand that have been counted so far,
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Speaker 8: she's actually got the lead within postal votes on too,
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Speaker 8: by two thy five hundred votes. What's the flow and
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Speaker 8: Hammony left, we're predicting she'll get about five hundred ahead
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Speaker 8: if it keeps going this way. What happens from there
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Speaker 8: absent votes could bring back things back from Anique Ryan.
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Speaker 8: So that's going to be really close, too hard to
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Speaker 8: call right now until we see some of those absent votes.
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Speaker 8: It's a similar situation in Bradfield, even closer when we
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Speaker 8: look at the potential lead. So if we go straight
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Speaker 8: to the two party preferred here, you can see the
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Speaker 8: Liberal Party just in the lead by forty four votes.
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Speaker 8: And again postal votes are going very well, but there
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Speaker 8: are not very many in Bradfield compared to the other seats.
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Speaker 8: We're predicting current projections get the Liberal Party ahead by
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Speaker 8: in the order of two or three hundred.
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Speaker 6: That's going to be difficult to defend.
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Speaker 8: It's possible once we see the absent votes likely to
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Speaker 8: trend towards Neglect Buller, but no guarantee, so just too
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Speaker 8: tight to call until we see some of those more
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Speaker 8: votes come in. The other focus, of course, in Victoria
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Speaker 8: and Melbourne is the seat of Melbourne itself. Will Adam
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Speaker 8: Bant hold on to it? So at the moment it's
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Speaker 8: a four percent two party preferred lead. But have a
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Speaker 8: look here, only fifteen percent's being counted. Most of that
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Speaker 8: is postal, so this was always going to favor the
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Speaker 8: Labor Party on the current preference split, this is going
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Speaker 8: to be very close. Let's go back to the primary
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Speaker 8: and look at the key figure here, sixty seven percent's
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Speaker 8: being counted, so we want more of that two candidate
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Speaker 8: preferred to know what happens. But the key element is
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Speaker 8: Adam Bant. Will he go above forty one percent? If
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Speaker 8: he does, he likely wins a seat below He's in trouble.
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Speaker 8: He does have vote that will help him. He'll get
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Speaker 8: absent vote. There'll be twelve eleven thousand also counted that
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Speaker 8: will likely boost his tally. There will be some more
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Speaker 8: postals that help Labor So this is very close to
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Speaker 8: this seat. There's clearly going to be a big swing
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Speaker 8: against Adam Bant. His margin is five point six percent,
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Speaker 8: so that one is going to go right down to
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Speaker 8: the wire. When we look at the overall state of
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Speaker 8: the House right now, remembering when we came from Labour
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Speaker 8: seventy eight the Coalition fifty six.
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Speaker 6: So what are the losses looking like right now for
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Speaker 6: the Coalition?
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Speaker 8: They're down by sixteen at the moment, but there are
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Speaker 8: more seats to count. Are there some opportunities for them
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Speaker 8: to win some more? There are There are ahead in
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Speaker 8: fact in Bullwinkle, Bradfield and Longman as well. We spoke
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Speaker 8: about their chances in Couyong. We can see there are
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Speaker 8: genuine chants in Flinders because that will have a three
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Speaker 8: candidate preferred, they probably get the head in and then
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Speaker 8: final page as well.
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Speaker 6: There are very good chance in Monash depending on how
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Speaker 6: that vote splits out. It's just a bit too complicated
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Speaker 6: right now.
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Speaker 8: What it means in terms of the losses of the
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Speaker 8: Coalition is right now, with some seats to go and
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Speaker 8: various projections to make what are their losses going to
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Speaker 8: end up well in the order of at least thirteen
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Speaker 8: right now? Yes, they've made up one, but where are
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Speaker 8: they coming from?
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Speaker 6: The Liberal Party?
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Speaker 8: You can see one National here the LNP logo of
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Speaker 8: course is the merged party. But all the l andps
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Speaker 8: you see on here are in fact Liberal Party members.
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Speaker 8: So for one, they're all five here from the Liberal Party,
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Speaker 8: including these three l ANDP members. They're all in the
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Speaker 8: southeast of Queensland or Leichhart is in cans so the
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Speaker 8: city center and the final.
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Speaker 6: Page as well more Liberal members. What does that all mean?
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Speaker 8: The Liberal Party is going to lose about thirty percent
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Speaker 8: of its seats.
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Speaker 6: If it ends up on the projected tally.
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Speaker 8: We get them too on about thirty The Nationals are
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Speaker 8: lucky to stay about the same, losing Calaire and gaining
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Speaker 8: possibly Bendigo.
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Speaker 6: So the losses really have been on the Liberal side.
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Speaker 3: The Nationals there are interesting.
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Speaker 2: I'll talk to former Deputy Prime Minister National leader John
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Speaker 2: Anderson on why they have survived indeed thrived.
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Speaker 3: Where Liberals have not.
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Speaker 2: I also want to make a point to their Goldstein
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Speaker 2: and Couyong those postals are falling heavily. The Liberal Party's
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Speaker 2: weigh sixty five to seventy percent because a lot of
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Speaker 2: the Orthodox Jews will not vote on Saturday, will have
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Speaker 2: postal voted.
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Speaker 3: So just fact that that in.
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Speaker 2: That's why, of course Goldstein has gone a liberal way,
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Speaker 2: and I think Cuyong is certainly looking like it might.
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Speaker 2: We're not there yet. We'll come back to that in
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Speaker 2: a moment. Let's bring in now our political letter to
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Speaker 2: Andrew Clanell. I will get to a whole lot of things. Andrew,
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Speaker 2: there's a grab bag of things you've got your teeth
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Speaker 2: to get into. But let's start with what we know
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Speaker 2: in terms of the government. We understand that we are
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Speaker 2: meeting on Friday, caucus meeting. Will that be to finalize
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Speaker 2: the ministry? Do we know we we'll get those sorts
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Speaker 2: of announcements.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, so my information is the caucus will be on Friday,
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Speaker 1: that will finalize the personnel for the ministry or perhaps
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Speaker 1: the spots, and then the Prime Minister goes away and
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Speaker 1: divis our portfolios and rings. People. I imagine Saturday night
18:59
Speaker 1: and you can see the announcement and the Monday swearing in,
19:01
Speaker 1: couldn't you so that's perhaps what we're looking at.
19:07
Speaker 2: Talk to me about this claim today that the New
19:09
Speaker 2: South Wales Right will have to dump a male to
19:13
Speaker 2: make way for Rebecca White.
19:15
Speaker 3: Is that right? Will the Right agree to this.
19:18
Speaker 1: Even well, that'd be in yes, Minister parlance, very courageous
19:23
Speaker 1: of the Prime Minister, even with his majority, Peter, you know,
19:27
Speaker 1: he's relied on some New South Wales Right support people
19:30
Speaker 1: like Tony Sheldon, and I don't think they'll do that,
19:36
Speaker 1: to be frank My information is that they are able
19:39
Speaker 1: to say the government whip is a Victorian position, it
19:43
Speaker 1: should be New South Wales. The speakers from Queensland will
19:48
Speaker 1: keep our ministries, thank you very much. So I'm told
19:51
Speaker 1: things will land essentially the same. But look, I can't
19:55
Speaker 1: confirm this Rebecca White speculation. If it is true, as you,
20:04
Speaker 1: I think you would agree, it's probably part of a
20:07
Speaker 1: deal for it to run. And I think they have
20:10
Speaker 1: to find it. So I think they have to find
20:12
Speaker 1: it somewhere else in the niche of I's right, frankly, yeah.
20:16
Speaker 2: And I made the point last night, of course, and
20:18
Speaker 2: you know this well. The ministry is capped by an
20:20
Speaker 2: Act of Parliament under legislation it's capped at thirty MPs.
20:24
Speaker 2: That's why it gets so contested in terms of who
20:26
Speaker 2: gets what. Talk to me about the lips. Talk to
20:29
Speaker 2: me about the lips. We've got Angus Taylor and Susan Lee.
20:32
Speaker 2: They haven't confirmed they're running, but of course haven't denied
20:35
Speaker 2: it either. Andrew Haste do we know, has said don't
20:39
Speaker 2: consider me. I don't want to run for leader at
20:41
Speaker 2: this stage. They're both canvas in numbers. Is there any
20:44
Speaker 2: other names here? What can you tell us?
20:47
Speaker 1: Well, it's only a question of whether Angus was to
20:49
Speaker 1: decide not to run, then Dante and I think would
20:52
Speaker 1: and sort of be the rights candidate, And you talk
20:54
Speaker 1: about right versus left. It's very much like that. And
20:57
Speaker 1: then it comes down to some of these seats, does
20:59
Speaker 1: Gsell capteriory.
21:00
Speaker 9: And get up?
21:01
Speaker 1: We know Tim Wilson's got up, really, I mean the
21:04
Speaker 1: last hour or two we've established that. So those votes
21:07
Speaker 1: are pretty critical to it all them being moderates. There's
21:10
Speaker 1: more moderates in there now because conservatives have lost their seats.
21:15
Speaker 1: I think it's touch and go. I think it's pretty tight,
21:18
Speaker 1: and they're both definitely making calls, but neither as you've
21:21
Speaker 1: identified have publicly said they're running, but they're acting as
21:25
Speaker 1: if they're running, and their advocates are texting me enough
21:28
Speaker 1: to suggest that they're running. When I run stories on it,
21:31
Speaker 1: I think it's going to be a really tight contest.
21:33
Speaker 1: What is interesting to me, Peter is a lot of
21:38
Speaker 1: liberals kind of outside that party room who's contacted me
21:44
Speaker 1: about it, really like the idea of Andrew Hasty. So
21:49
Speaker 1: whether that's something down the track, and what we have
21:52
Speaker 1: here is a leader for a year or two and
21:54
Speaker 1: see how they go, and maybe that's a possibility down
21:56
Speaker 1: the track. I wouldn't discount that, And maybe you get
22:00
Speaker 1: Hasty Zoe's deputy, something like that. It's a more sort
22:03
Speaker 1: of telegenic team, not that it should be all about that,
22:07
Speaker 1: but it has some aspect than Angus Taylor and Susan Lee,
22:12
Speaker 1: who frankly own a bit of this defeat, especially Angus.
22:16
Speaker 1: Unfortunately for him, I don't think I think I heard
22:20
Speaker 1: your editorial. I think what's against him more than the
22:23
Speaker 1: women man thing is is the fact he was near
22:27
Speaker 1: some of these total gaps in the campaign, like allowing
22:30
Speaker 1: labor to run, saying you're increasing you're running with a
22:35
Speaker 1: tax increases because they didn't support the tax cuts. Now
22:38
Speaker 1: I reported that people saying Wang Angus was in the
22:41
Speaker 1: lock up decided that we Dutton. It was quickly pointed
22:44
Speaker 1: out to me by Taylor supporter Susan Lee was also
22:46
Speaker 1: in the lockup, which was interesting. Then there's the work
22:50
Speaker 1: from home debacle and Angus Taylor supporters telling me very
22:55
Speaker 1: clearly this was Jane Hume in consultation with the leader's
22:58
Speaker 1: office and the first he heard of about it was
23:01
Speaker 1: when he was about to drop it to the fin review.
23:03
Speaker 1: So he's distancing himself from that. But then you know,
23:07
Speaker 1: a Lee supporter said to me, well, he had twelve
23:09
Speaker 1: interest rate rises. He didn't even come up with a
23:11
Speaker 1: real economic plan that cut through. So that's what's hurting
23:15
Speaker 1: Angus a bit. That will hurt him in question time.
23:18
Speaker 1: We know that if he gets the job otherwise, I
23:21
Speaker 1: think he'd be a firm favorite, to be honest, because
23:25
Speaker 1: he's got more experience in those economic portfolios. He's been
23:28
Speaker 1: Energy minister. But as Susan Lee, he's had a couple
23:32
Speaker 1: of interviews where she's stuffed up to be frank. So
23:36
Speaker 1: those are the sort of considerations that are emerging at
23:39
Speaker 1: the moment, it is actually the first, if it happens,
23:43
Speaker 1: the first leadership vote for an opposition letter since twenty
23:46
Speaker 1: thirteen Alberanzi and shortened, which was that kind of three
23:49
Speaker 1: month process. I just figured that out today because you know,
23:53
Speaker 1: last time Dutton didn't have a Fredenburg to go against
23:56
Speaker 1: short And stepped aside, so Alberanizi got it. So that's
23:59
Speaker 1: very interesting, after we had to spill every five minutes
24:02
Speaker 1: that we haven't had one of these for an opposition
24:04
Speaker 1: later for twelve years.
24:08
Speaker 2: We will watch it all closely, and of course that
24:10
Speaker 2: you're a right to point out, it depends on who
24:12
Speaker 2: wins the seats coming forward now that a number of
24:15
Speaker 2: them are moderates who are fighting for their lives. But
24:17
Speaker 2: if they make it they get into the party room,
24:19
Speaker 2: that changes the complexion very much.
24:22
Speaker 3: Thank you, Andrew. Great tep here analysis.
24:24
Speaker 2: As I highlighted last night, Labor pedaled a whole lot
24:26
Speaker 2: of lies during the campaign, but I think the key
24:29
Speaker 2: lie was the coalition's nuclear lie, the lie that the
24:32
Speaker 2: plan from Peter Dutton would cost some six hundred billion dollars.
24:36
Speaker 2: Now that wasn't really out there until I put it
24:39
Speaker 2: up in Lights in the Australian and on this show.
24:41
Speaker 3: Then the libool started to push back.
24:43
Speaker 2: It was a figure drepped up of course by the
24:44
Speaker 2: Smart Energy Council, the so called charity, but in fact
24:48
Speaker 2: the renewables lobby group linked to Simon Holmes. The Court
24:51
Speaker 2: and full of a whole lot of ex Labor staffers
24:54
Speaker 2: joined me out to discuss the impact of these lies
24:57
Speaker 2: and where to now for nuclear policy in a director
25:01
Speaker 2: of Energy research at the Center for Independent Studies, Aiden Morrison, Well,
25:05
Speaker 2: laden you say that there were six key energy lives
25:08
Speaker 2: from labor, so take us through them. How damaging were
25:11
Speaker 2: they and how do you think the coalition should have
25:14
Speaker 2: tackled them?
25:17
Speaker 10: Indeed, Yeah, the first one is that the experts back
25:20
Speaker 10: our plan, and Chris Bowen relied on this heavily during
25:23
Speaker 10: the campaign, in fact, right to the very last day
25:25
Speaker 10: in front of a polling booth, he said the experts
25:27
Speaker 10: back our plan. In actual fact, this is a total lie.
25:30
Speaker 10: The experts repeat back labor policy to them because it
25:34
Speaker 10: is policy, and they carefully avoid comparing it to any
25:36
Speaker 10: other policy. So society of the experts are all behind
25:39
Speaker 10: them is just not the case, and so I think
25:40
Speaker 10: that really should have been called out very early, especially
25:43
Speaker 10: since Daniel Westerman, the CEO of the Market Operator, actually
25:47
Speaker 10: said before Parliament that the Integrated System Plan, which is
25:50
Speaker 10: the main expert document, is not a tool to evaluate
25:53
Speaker 10: government policy. So it should have been absolutely front of
25:56
Speaker 10: the lips of every coalition candidate to say that no,
25:59
Speaker 10: the experts don't back the plan, they repeat back the plan.
26:03
Speaker 10: And that's a very very important distinction. The second and
26:06
Speaker 10: third ones, of course, of the six hundred billion dollar
26:09
Speaker 10: number that you've quoted again from the Smart Energy Council,
26:12
Speaker 10: that came from nowhere. It's double the highest costs from
26:15
Speaker 10: and building in the United Kingdom. It's about five times
26:17
Speaker 10: what the CSIRO said it might cost, so came from nowhere.
26:21
Speaker 10: But number three is the four percent of the grid,
26:24
Speaker 10: that all that money would only buy you four percent
26:26
Speaker 10: of our energy, and that relies on a transparent nonsense,
26:29
Speaker 10: the idea that rooftop solar, which only operates at about
26:33
Speaker 10: fifteen percent of its capacity, provides the same amount of
26:35
Speaker 10: energy as a nuclear plant which operates it over ninety percent,
26:38
Speaker 10: and that even storage, which provides no energy at all,
26:41
Speaker 10: also provides the same amount of energy as a nuclear
26:44
Speaker 10: power plan which operates at ninety percent of the output.
26:46
Speaker 6: So that was transparent nonsense.
26:48
Speaker 10: Simon Holmes, a court I think, was a director of
26:50
Speaker 10: the Smart Energy Council at the time that stistic was produced.
26:53
Speaker 10: No challenge, no pushback to an energy geeker like him,
26:56
Speaker 10: who prides himself on being very serious that energy facts
26:58
Speaker 10: to establish that was absolutely transparently incorrect. And the next ones,
27:04
Speaker 10: of course from there, number three and four, sorry, number
27:07
Speaker 10: four and five are firstly rooftop solar. The idea that
27:11
Speaker 10: nuclear is going to force everyone to have their solar
27:13
Speaker 10: panels switched off. Now, this was only possible to be
27:16
Speaker 10: run because basically the market operator quashed a story about
27:20
Speaker 10: how they need to turn off everyone's solar panels this year,
27:24
Speaker 10: actually in the third quarter of twenty twenty five, we're
27:27
Speaker 10: going to have to start switching off solar panels because
27:30
Speaker 10: of the glut of a new solar that's being built.
27:32
Speaker 10: It's not actually a nuclear that solar's worst enemy. It's
27:35
Speaker 10: more solar because it produces it exactly the same time.
27:38
Speaker 10: And that of course was not engaged with, also came
27:41
Speaker 10: from the Smart Energy Council, was.
27:42
Speaker 6: Repeated again and again.
27:44
Speaker 10: Bowen campaigned on it directly after the Frontier report, extremely
27:48
Speaker 10: heavily likewise aluminium, the absurd idea that reliable base load
27:53
Speaker 10: power will somehow stop us having an aluminium industry another
27:57
Speaker 10: heavy industry. Again, this came from not calling out the
28:00
Speaker 10: market operator who had actually substituted in they've done this
28:03
Speaker 10: transplant of an earlier scenario, that model called slow change,
28:08
Speaker 10: which did have a drop industrial output. The transplanted that
28:12
Speaker 10: to progressive change, which was actually repeated and faithfully replicated
28:15
Speaker 10: by Frontier. No distinction about that being a emo's call
28:19
Speaker 10: to include that whatsoever, So no engagement on that, unfortunately.
28:23
Speaker 10: And the final one, of course is the two billion
28:25
Speaker 10: ton carbon bomb produced by the Climate Change Authority, and
28:29
Speaker 10: again unfortunately, we are producing all that carbon at the moment.
28:33
Speaker 10: It won't be the introduction of nuclear power that releases
28:36
Speaker 10: more carbon. It is simply the assumption that we can
28:39
Speaker 10: somehow hit the absolutely crazy eighty two percent target by
28:43
Speaker 10: twenty thirty that rests that holds up this idea that
28:47
Speaker 10: we could in our current plans reduce that amount of
28:50
Speaker 10: carbon out of the atmosphere. And of course nobody serious
28:53
Speaker 10: who's not basically part of the renewables cheer squad seriously
28:56
Speaker 10: believe that's target's approachable. So again nothing to stand on there.
29:00
Speaker 10: The baseline should have been challenged and sadly it just wasn't.
29:06
Speaker 2: Six lives and you've knocked them all out, Aidan Morrison.
29:09
Speaker 2: I have to say, you know there's going to be
29:10
Speaker 2: a debate that goes on inside the Liberal party room,
29:13
Speaker 2: in particular. I don't think the Nats will have this debate.
29:15
Speaker 2: The Liberals will, you know, we lost because of the
29:18
Speaker 2: nuclear policy. They'll want it junk. Certainly some elements will,
29:22
Speaker 2: So I think it's really important you put that on
29:24
Speaker 2: the record tonight.
29:25
Speaker 3: Thank you for your time.
29:26
Speaker 2: All right after the break, we're going to get into
29:30
Speaker 2: what went wrong for the Libs, why the National Party
29:33
Speaker 2: tend to survive and indeed thrive, we form a deputy
29:35
Speaker 2: prime minister, form a National Party leader John Anderson last years,
29:39
Speaker 2: into the average of the price on, the growing push
29:41
Speaker 2: for quotas within the coalition and her future plans.
29:50
Speaker 3: Welcome back the brick in the wall at till seat
29:52
Speaker 3: has fallen. How did they do that?
29:55
Speaker 2: We'll get to that a moment with John Roskin, the
29:56
Speaker 2: one man who knows how to campaign on principle and
29:59
Speaker 2: value is former Deputy Prime Minister, former Nationals leader John Anderson.
30:03
Speaker 3: He joins me.
30:03
Speaker 2: Now, John, I thought it was really important that I
30:06
Speaker 2: talked to you, in part because I want your take
30:09
Speaker 2: on why the Coalition lost as it did on the weekend,
30:12
Speaker 2: but critically, and we've seen this now for a number
30:14
Speaker 2: of elections. How does the National Party brand survive indeed
30:20
Speaker 2: thrive where it's coalition partner does not.
30:27
Speaker 11: I think we need to first establish that at Christmas
30:31
Speaker 11: time there was a clear path to government and in
30:34
Speaker 11: the pursuit of many of the trivialities that we're seeing
30:37
Speaker 11: about why we lost and why we did so badly
30:39
Speaker 11: at the moment, we demean ourselves by focusing on the trivialities,
30:43
Speaker 11: not the real issues. The real issues in this campaign
30:47
Speaker 11: failure was that there was no leadership in the critical
30:51
Speaker 11: areas that now threaten our very futures of prosperous and
30:55
Speaker 11: free society internally and externally, and the Australian people knew that.
31:01
Speaker 11: I don't think there was a policy issue or indeed
31:04
Speaker 11: a day during the campaign when the Coalition plainly won.
31:09
Speaker 11: Now in the context of the arguments about whether we
31:11
Speaker 11: should continue with nuclear or whether we should be more
31:14
Speaker 11: woke or less worke or whatever. Come to the National
31:17
Speaker 11: Party and remember this. It led, i think courageously and
31:21
Speaker 11: correctly on rejecting categorization of groupings of the Australian people
31:26
Speaker 11: in the Constitution, the Voice and it got real about
31:31
Speaker 11: the need to ensure that we have reliable and affordable power,
31:37
Speaker 11: that is to say nuclear and that is to their
31:41
Speaker 11: great credit, and it evidences that, particularly in the productive
31:44
Speaker 11: regions of Australia so important for the living standards we've
31:48
Speaker 11: taken for granted, that people actually are connected with reality.
31:53
Speaker 11: But this was a massive policy failure on several fronts,
31:57
Speaker 11: on defense, on economics, on cost of living, on immigration,
32:02
Speaker 11: on education, all areas where if the coalition is to
32:10
Speaker 11: pull itself together quickly and serve the country properly, they
32:14
Speaker 11: need to recognize it's focusing on those issues that we
32:18
Speaker 11: all know are at crisis level in terms of the
32:21
Speaker 11: need to address them properly.
32:25
Speaker 2: Trump's a populist, as you know, I'm a conservative, You're
32:28
Speaker 2: a conservative.
32:29
Speaker 3: If some say the coalition was.
32:31
Speaker 2: Too Trumpian, others are saying they weren't Trumpian enough. You know,
32:36
Speaker 2: give me your sense of how much he played into
32:38
Speaker 2: the campaign.
32:42
Speaker 11: Look, I think it was a good excuse for some
32:44
Speaker 11: people who wanted to hate, but I do want to
32:46
Speaker 11: make this really important point. The only response to an
32:49
Speaker 11: unstable world, a world where we're seeing the re emergence
32:54
Speaker 11: now of big power competition eerially reminiscent of the billed
33:00
Speaker 11: up to the First World War, is to ensure, like
33:03
Speaker 11: our forefathers did in this country, when we're only five
33:05
Speaker 11: and a half million people, that we do everything in
33:08
Speaker 11: our power to stand on our two feet, to run
33:11
Speaker 11: a strong economy, to engage our citizenry and the debates
33:14
Speaker 11: of the day, and to run a proper defense strategy,
33:17
Speaker 11: which now means supply chain security, it means cybersecurity, and
33:21
Speaker 11: it frankly means a lot more focus on defense. And
33:26
Speaker 11: you won't have a country to argue about whether we
33:28
Speaker 11: should be more vocal, more of Trump or less Trump
33:32
Speaker 11: if we don't get real as a mid sized, prosperous
33:36
Speaker 11: country with a lot of resources. And I still believe
33:40
Speaker 11: an outstanding populace about standing on our own two feet
33:44
Speaker 11: and behaving in a vastly more mature way than we
33:47
Speaker 11: have been. And that requires not just political leadership to
33:50
Speaker 11: be frank all of us as Australians need to say
33:54
Speaker 11: we stand on the shoulders of giants. It's about time
33:56
Speaker 11: we stepped up so that our children can say the
33:58
Speaker 11: same about us.
34:02
Speaker 2: I'm going to have you back next week to talk
34:03
Speaker 2: about how we message our values conservative values to young people,
34:07
Speaker 2: because I know you do a huge amount of work
34:09
Speaker 2: in that area.
34:10
Speaker 3: But I'll leave it there for tonight. Thank you, John Anderson.
34:12
Speaker 2: All right, let's return to the issue of quotas in
34:14
Speaker 2: the future for the coalition.
34:15
Speaker 3: Joining me in our.
34:16
Speaker 2: Shadow Minister for Indigenous Australians just into Nampijip Price, Senator,
34:20
Speaker 2: welcome to the program.
34:21
Speaker 3: What's your view?
34:22
Speaker 2: You're a woman, you're in the coalition, what's your view
34:25
Speaker 2: on this push for quotas.
34:29
Speaker 12: Yeah, look, I think it's a knee jerk reaction to
34:32
Speaker 12: the outcome of the election. Certainly, I think we just
34:37
Speaker 12: have to make sure that we are reaching women for
34:41
Speaker 12: their support and putting forth an argument to demonstrate to
34:45
Speaker 12: them what we're going to do to improve their lives
34:48
Speaker 12: and a future for their children. But I don't believe
34:51
Speaker 12: that we need to introduce quotas. You know, I would
34:55
Speaker 12: hate to think that I ever got to my position
34:58
Speaker 12: on the fact that I'm a woman, or anything else
35:01
Speaker 12: for that matter. But what I think we will, what
35:04
Speaker 12: we do need to do is ensure that we're obviously
35:07
Speaker 12: pre selecting people with the values that lead with very
35:11
Speaker 12: strong values that we need to now get out there
35:15
Speaker 12: and push harder and stronger and make sure we get
35:19
Speaker 12: those messages out to the Australian people.
35:24
Speaker 3: Look, I couldn't agree more.
35:25
Speaker 2: I mean, I think the moment you give ground on
35:27
Speaker 2: this gender based quota, you're legitimizing quotas across the board.
35:32
Speaker 2: I mean, we're going to have quotas for Indigenous people,
35:34
Speaker 2: we have quotas for regional members of Parliament.
35:37
Speaker 3: Where will the quotas end?
35:40
Speaker 2: It should always be about merit, because merit is the
35:42
Speaker 2: one thing we all can compete on equally.
35:48
Speaker 12: Yeah, exactly. I mean merit is what is important. Merit
35:52
Speaker 12: is what provides outcomes. Ultimately, Merit is what you need,
35:58
Speaker 12: certainly to be able to fight our fight that we
36:01
Speaker 12: need to fight, as opposed to just putting somebody in
36:05
Speaker 12: a position, you know, based on their gender. And Look,
36:10
Speaker 12: I think we have some really strong women in the coalition.
36:13
Speaker 12: I mean, there's nothing wrong with the strong women within
36:16
Speaker 12: the coalition. And perhaps it's time we promote them more.
36:21
Speaker 12: Maybe it's about promoting our strong women more, you know,
36:24
Speaker 12: those women in shadow cabinet as well, allowing them to
36:28
Speaker 12: get out there and be fierce and be more front
36:33
Speaker 12: and center. I don't believe that we need to as well.
36:36
Speaker 3: Yeah.
36:38
Speaker 2: No, And you're a case in the point because the
36:40
Speaker 2: case in point because I'd argue you're putting the freezing
36:42
Speaker 2: during the campaign. If we had more of just enterprise,
36:45
Speaker 2: we don't have to quote her to get her in there.
36:47
Speaker 2: She's in there anyway. More of just enterprise during the campaign,
36:50
Speaker 2: I suspect we would have done better. Yet, someone who
36:53
Speaker 2: you thrashed in the Voice debate, Marsha Langton. She's come
36:56
Speaker 2: out today and said the Prime Minister needs to seize
36:58
Speaker 2: the moment. I presume she means here about his majority
37:02
Speaker 2: win and be courageous and indigenous policy.
37:05
Speaker 3: What the heck does that mean?
37:08
Speaker 12: Oh, she doesn't mean courageous, She means more radical. That
37:13
Speaker 12: is what Marcia Langdon seeks to push. And you know
37:17
Speaker 12: she's been quiet up until this point, and now she
37:19
Speaker 12: thinks that her seat at the table is going to
37:22
Speaker 12: be given back to her along with those who have
37:25
Speaker 12: pushed the separatist agenda for quite some time and attacked
37:30
Speaker 12: individuals quite nastily, but really not fail to achieve much
37:37
Speaker 12: in order to close the gap in the first place.
37:39
Speaker 12: And my concern with Indigenous affairs is it's not going
37:42
Speaker 12: to go anywhere under labor. They didn't have a plan
37:45
Speaker 12: in the first instance, except to create another bureaucracy. They
37:49
Speaker 12: are infatuated with bureaucracies. They listen to the heads of organizations,
37:54
Speaker 12: they don't listen to the little people on the ground,
37:57
Speaker 12: and so we're going to see things go backward in
38:01
Speaker 12: terms of our indigenous policy.
38:03
Speaker 3: But all those labor supporting.
38:05
Speaker 12: Organizations, no doubt at all, they will get all the
38:08
Speaker 12: funding measures that they wanted, but it won't equate to
38:12
Speaker 12: better outcomes, and no will continue. What we wanted to
38:16
Speaker 12: push was about transparency.
38:21
Speaker 2: Hey, you got to follow up when my colleague Chris
38:23
Speaker 2: Kenny went last night with you. Remind me of the
38:25
Speaker 2: rules in relation to the CLP. You're a CLP member
38:28
Speaker 2: from the nt AS I understand it. You can sit
38:30
Speaker 2: with either the Nats or the Libs when you get
38:33
Speaker 2: to camera now is that your call alone to make.
38:36
Speaker 3: And have you made up your mind?
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Speaker 2: Will you go and sit with the Nats this time round,
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Speaker 2: or will you sit with the Libs.
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Speaker 9: Sure.
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Speaker 12: So the convention that sits in place in the Country
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Speaker 12: Liberal Party is that the first Senate ticket, according to
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Speaker 12: the convention, is to sit with the National's party Room,
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Speaker 12: the second center ticket with the Libs Party Room Lingiari
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Speaker 12: is to sit with the Nationals, and Solomon with the Libs.
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Speaker 3: So that is how through.
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Speaker 12: The Country Liberal Party, you know that those agreements sit
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Speaker 12: in place.
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Speaker 2: And you're not going to challenge that. I mean, this
39:14
Speaker 2: is just second time around. I know it's not your
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Speaker 2: second term, you're still within your term, but I mean
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Speaker 2: you're not going to challenge that you will sit with
39:21
Speaker 2: the National Party.
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Speaker 3: Yeah.
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Speaker 12: Look, that is what is expected of me from the
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Speaker 12: Country Liberal Party and obviously from the Nationals as well,
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Speaker 12: and there is we're still waiting for the dust to
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Speaker 12: settle with a lot of the issues that we're confronted with.
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Speaker 3: We're still reeling from the.
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Speaker 12: Outcome obviously that's occurred, and we need to understand much
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Speaker 12: better how as a coalition we can come back stronger
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Speaker 12: and learn from those lessons.
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Speaker 3: And you know, I want to.
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Speaker 12: Make sure, as I said to Chris last night. I'm
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Speaker 12: a fighter and as part of the comition, I want
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Speaker 12: to make sure that we can fight back and come
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Speaker 12: back stronger.
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Speaker 2: Hey hey, hey, hey, there is a vacancy obviously soon
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Speaker 2: to be a vacancy in the party room in your party,
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Speaker 2: in the National Party party room for the deputy leader
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Speaker 2: Peren Davies won't hold her set and set it seat
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Speaker 2: for much longer. Will you put your hand up for
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Speaker 2: leadership in the National Party.
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Speaker 12: Again, I'm not speculating on anything. There's a lot of
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Speaker 12: stuff going on at the moment and a lot of
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Speaker 12: decisions to be made within the party room, within the
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Speaker 12: National room, and we will see what happens in where.
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Speaker 3: We will leave it there.
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Speaker 9: There all right.
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Speaker 2: I can hear my audience screaming down on television, just enterprise,
40:45
Speaker 2: They want you there, all right, We'll leave it there.
40:47
Speaker 2: After the break the Tials losing a seat, the Liberals
40:51
Speaker 2: have also fought them off elsewhere. Don't believe the line
40:53
Speaker 2: the Liberals are dead to the Teals. There's a lot
40:55
Speaker 2: of work to be done, sure, but those Teals are
40:57
Speaker 2: not invincible despite all the climate millions. We'll see what
41:01
Speaker 2: was the turning point there? Plus quotas We'll go back
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Speaker 2: to that issue a.
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Speaker 3: Whole lot more. All right, let's go back to quotas.
41:12
Speaker 2: It's a silver bullet, some say to winning seats and
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Speaker 2: winning government format. NAT's staff a Charlotte Morlock says Libs
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Speaker 2: would be quote morons if they elect two men into
41:20
Speaker 2: leadership and anything less than two women. She wants a
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Speaker 2: female leader and a female deputy, and gender quotas, she says,
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Speaker 2: would be insulting. Oh, I don't necessarily agree with that, Honora,
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Speaker 2: to suspect us. My next guest, Senior Fellow at the
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Speaker 2: Institute of Public Affairs, John Roscomb explained to viewers why
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Speaker 2: quotas based on gender would be an anathema in the
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Speaker 2: Liberal Party.
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Speaker 7: Well, I think, Peter, that most Australians would be absolutely
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Speaker 7: shocked by those comments. No Australian should have a position
41:52
Speaker 7: denied to them because of their gender, because of their religion, because.
41:57
Speaker 9: Of their race. Are toxic and divisive.
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Speaker 7: They're based on basically a Marxist philosophical position, which is
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Speaker 7: that we aren't to be judged by our character or
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Speaker 7: our abilities, but simply by our gender, race, or background.
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Speaker 7: They are completely illiberal and one of the things that
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Speaker 7: I find really interesting, Peter about this discussion is that
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Speaker 7: so many of these women pushing quotas for women don't
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Speaker 7: support women.
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Speaker 9: They support left wing women.
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Speaker 7: As just Cinder Price, who you are just chatting to,
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Speaker 7: displayed the strength of character of a conservative woman. These
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Speaker 7: liberal women were not behind Nicole Flint, a great Liberal.
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Speaker 9: Who was ostracized.
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Speaker 7: They don't support conservative women like Claire Chandler. They want
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Speaker 7: a particular sort of women. And I think quotas cut
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Speaker 7: across everything, not just that the Liberal Party should believe in,
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Speaker 7: but that any Australian should believe in.
42:57
Speaker 2: Talk to me about the tears seats, because what's very
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Speaker 2: interesting tonight. We've obviously seen Tim Wilson not just win Goldstein,
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Speaker 2: but he's won and back. Everyone said he wouldn't be
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Speaker 2: able to win it back. You wouldn't get it back
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Speaker 2: from a female teal because you'd been so repudiated. He
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Speaker 2: took the Mini one pro selection obviously, and he's one.
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Speaker 2: Why has that worked well?
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Speaker 7: I think the victory of Tim Wilson, and of course
43:22
Speaker 7: a Dan tee in holding off the Teals in one
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Speaker 7: and potential other defeats of teals, reveals a few things.
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Speaker 7: Maybe Peter Dutton wasn't quite as toxic as we thought
43:34
Speaker 7: on Saturday Night because Tim Wilson has won Goldstein. But
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Speaker 7: what Tim Wilson did was around Goldstein. And I know
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Speaker 7: Tim well and I worked with him at the IPA.
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Speaker 7: He didn't veer to the left. He wasn't talking about
43:45
Speaker 7: climate change, he didn't deviate from his values.
43:48
Speaker 3: So it didn't become sort of Teal No.
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Speaker 7: No, he absolutely repudiated this argument that the Liberal Party
43:53
Speaker 7: needs to be left wing.
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Speaker 9: I'll tell you what he did. He worked hard.
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Speaker 7: He demonstrated that uncontrolled immigration is a housing in the area.
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Speaker 7: He ran a very strong economics agenda, and he did
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Speaker 7: what not enough Liberals did, which was point out that
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Speaker 7: the Teals and Zoe Daniel was supporting a terrible, dangerous
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Speaker 7: government that was destroying Australia economically. And he demonstrated that
44:17
Speaker 7: if you have the conviction of belief, you don't have
44:20
Speaker 7: to veer left, you don't have to veer right. You
44:23
Speaker 7: have to stand by your conviction. And he's overturned all
44:28
Speaker 7: of those left wing orthodoxies that we've heard from Saturday
44:32
Speaker 7: night from left wingers who of course say the party,
44:34
Speaker 7: the Liberal Party, should be more left wing.
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Speaker 9: Of course, they would say that.
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Speaker 7: So I think Tim Wilson's demonstrated a model for Liberals
44:42
Speaker 7: going forward.
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Speaker 3: Chris Joelman said something last night that really struck me.
44:47
Speaker 2: We talked that the Teals were created basically to keep
44:49
Speaker 2: the Libs out of power, but he made the point
44:52
Speaker 2: the Teals are to the Liberal Party what the DLP
44:55
Speaker 2: was to Labor and there was a reckoning there that
44:59
Speaker 2: took what to day or more. The difference here with
45:03
Speaker 2: the Teals, of course, is they are getting millions of
45:05
Speaker 2: millions of dollars from people who want their own private.
45:10
Speaker 3: Investments in renewables to get ahead.
45:12
Speaker 2: So they are financially motivated to keep renewables in the
45:16
Speaker 2: system about the best energy mixed for Australia.
45:18
Speaker 3: But they have a pecuniary win out of this.
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Speaker 7: And isn't that the great irony the tills, the irony
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Speaker 7: of the Teals talking about transparency, talking about the evils
45:30
Speaker 7: of lobbyists when they have taken such an advantage of
45:35
Speaker 7: the system. And one of my criticisms of Peter Dutton
45:38
Speaker 7: is that on the first day he became leader, he
45:41
Speaker 7: should have said it's the end of net zero. The
45:44
Speaker 7: Liberal Party, the coalition will prioritize security, affordability and reliability
45:49
Speaker 7: of energy, and he would have cut the ground out
45:52
Speaker 7: from so much of that renewable energy and sustainable.
45:56
Speaker 3: And that's where Tony Blair's gone now exactly.
45:59
Speaker 7: So I think there's so many lessons that we are
46:02
Speaker 7: now learning as the results are coming in from from Saturday.
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Speaker 7: And it also reveals that sometimes things take a little
46:11
Speaker 7: while to unwind.
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Speaker 3: So it's not as good as it seems, if it's
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Speaker 3: not ever.
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Speaker 9: As bad as as you said last night, Peter.
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Speaker 3: There we go, John Roskin, thank you.
46:21
Speaker 2: All right, upter the rate, we'll get into a whole
46:22
Speaker 2: lot of issues to Trump, not Trump enough, all of
46:25
Speaker 2: that with my panel coming up.
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Speaker 3: Oh, I've got a nine o'clock let's get straight to it.
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Speaker 2: The chief economist and senior fellow at the IPA and
46:36
Speaker 2: of Crichton joins me out, and the wonderful columnist spectator
46:39
Speaker 2: Terry Barnes Ginz. Let's start with you at and put
46:42
Speaker 2: your economist tat on. Petecostala says there was no economic strategy,
46:46
Speaker 2: that's why they lost.
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Speaker 3: What do you think?
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Speaker 13: Yeah, look, I think the criticisms are very valid. I mean,
46:49
Speaker 13: the two core policies that the Liberals had for the
46:51
Speaker 13: cost of living crisis. Were these temporary measures. There was
46:53
Speaker 13: the twelve hundred dollars rebate for twelve months, and there
46:55
Speaker 13: was the cutting fuel excise for twelve months. And I
46:58
Speaker 13: think voters rightly saw that it's a permanent problem. Woman
47:00
Speaker 13: needs permanent it needs permanent solutions, and so these were
47:03
Speaker 13: just gimmicks really, and so I don't think the policies
47:06
Speaker 13: of the party were anywhere near the values of the
47:09
Speaker 13: Liberal Party. Is certainly not the IPA, the furthest apart
47:11
Speaker 13: I've seen in my lifetime, I think, and it's.
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Speaker 2: Hard to model though, as you know Terry from opposition,
47:16
Speaker 2: that's the challenge.
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Speaker 9: I guess, well, that's right.
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Speaker 14: I mean, basically, when you've got a situation like that,
47:21
Speaker 14: you need to actually have done your homework.
47:22
Speaker 6: Three years ago.
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Speaker 9: Where have they been Peter, where have they been.
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Speaker 3: Told to me about the Greens?
47:27
Speaker 2: Because you know we could see that Adam bantlews is
47:29
Speaker 2: you see there's been losses right across the board. What
47:33
Speaker 2: do you attribute to this great collapse in the Green vote?
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Speaker 2: And is it permanent?
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Speaker 9: I hope, I hope it is.
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Speaker 14: I think the Greens are the carbuncle on the bottom
47:40
Speaker 14: of the Australian body politic. But certainly I think this
47:44
Speaker 14: Australian's common sense. It's not necessarily anyw campaigns who have
47:48
Speaker 14: been run against them. I think Australians have seen through
47:51
Speaker 14: the Greens. They've seen through their economic flim plan, they've
47:54
Speaker 14: seen through their environmental con game, but they're especially seen
47:59
Speaker 14: through their enabling anti semitism. I think they have made
48:03
Speaker 14: Australia ugly. The people who have been are still in
48:06
Speaker 14: the center, including people who re elected on Saturday Night.
48:09
Speaker 14: I just think are an absolute disgrace and the Australians
48:12
Speaker 14: have finally woken up to it.
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Speaker 2: A lot of people say, you know, not trumping and
48:16
Speaker 2: enough or too trumpy. And the media in the US
48:19
Speaker 2: is saying that Trump played a big role in the
48:21
Speaker 2: Australian election. I don't think he did, but pleasingly, you know,
48:26
Speaker 2: Clive Palmer tries to spend one hundred million dollars to
48:29
Speaker 2: buy an outcome and didn't get anything.
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Speaker 3: That alone says were different than the US.
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Speaker 9: Yeah, certainly that's true.
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Speaker 13: I mean the US politics is all about money, as
48:35
Speaker 13: we know, but we've just seen that money here doesn't
48:37
Speaker 13: buy vote. Seemingly, what did you spend one hundred million
48:39
Speaker 13: dollars and got a tiny little primary vote. So that
48:42
Speaker 13: is a good sign about a party. Just just broadly
48:44
Speaker 13: on the narrative of the election is that we've moved
48:47
Speaker 13: to the left, but actually the far left of the
48:49
Speaker 13: Greens they completely collapsed, So that's a good thing. And
48:51
Speaker 13: also Labour's primary vote, Labor's primary vote was actually lower
48:55
Speaker 13: than what Julie Gillard got in twenty ten when he
48:58
Speaker 13: just scraped in. So it really wasn't a huge endorsement
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Speaker 13: of the Labor Party. It was certainly a rejection of
49:02
Speaker 13: the coalition, there's no doubt about that. It was very emphatic,
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Speaker 13: but it really wasn't a move to the left. And
49:07
Speaker 13: I think it's all about preferences now they matter more
49:09
Speaker 13: than ever. And the one thing that annoys me so
49:10
Speaker 13: much about the election is all this chatter in the
49:13
Speaker 13: Lower House, at least as it relates to Lower House voting,
49:15
Speaker 13: is who's giving their preferences to whom? But you do
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Speaker 13: your own preferences. Would people just do their own preferences,
49:20
Speaker 13: don't take their het of it. Card do your own preferences.
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Speaker 9: That's what I do. You know, people, don't you know
49:24
Speaker 9: they don't direct them around.
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Speaker 3: You designed your preferences.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, this is such a good point because I made
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Speaker 2: the remark last night that the primary vote in sixteen
49:31
Speaker 2: when short and loss, was about the same as a
49:33
Speaker 2: primary vote on Saturday night for labor, and obviously one
49:36
Speaker 2: was a win outcome, one was a landslide, one was
49:38
Speaker 2: a lost.
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Speaker 3: One was a landslide win.
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Speaker 2: The preference flows help Labor because they run all of
49:43
Speaker 2: these entities to drag the preferences across.
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Speaker 14: I think that's right, but I think there's also a
49:50
Speaker 14: fairly sizeable green sorry, a left wing.
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Speaker 9: Majority in the Electric down.
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Speaker 14: I think the axis has tilted left, but as we've
49:56
Speaker 14: seen with the low primary votes, they can shift back
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Speaker 14: the other way.
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Speaker 9: So we'll see what has Thanks.
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Speaker 3: Don't leave it there, Thank you, gentlemen. That's it for me.
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Speaker 3: See tomorrow night's Andrew