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Man and girlfriend file teeth to a point, worship Satan, DEAD bodies in the backyard. · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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  Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. This cute little girl in
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  Speaker 1: high school that suddenly shaves off her eyebrows, files her
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  Speaker 1: teeth down to a point, and talks about drinking blood.
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  Speaker 1: What happened Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. She made it
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  Speaker 1: so exciting, and hey, I'm gonna come pick you up.
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  Speaker 1: We're gonna come up here, and I want you to
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  Speaker 1: meet Puzzuzu. I want your opinion on him. So okay,
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  Speaker 1: well that's cool. We'll get up there. And everything was
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  Speaker 1: fine until I walked on to the front porch. The
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  Speaker 1: stench just it was like a smack to the face.
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  Speaker 1: It was so strong. First thing I ever said to
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  Speaker 1: Pazuzu when I at him was dude, your house smells
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  Speaker 1: like death, and he kind of laughed, Oh yeah, it's
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  Speaker 1: just the bodies and the base man. Okay, I can
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  Speaker 1: imagine that laugh. You know, once you smell a dead body,
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  Speaker 1: a human body, you never forget it, and nobody really
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  Speaker 1: has to tell you what it is. I mean it,
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  Speaker 1: see Grace, this is Crime Stories. Thank you for being
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  Speaker 1: with us. You were just hearing our friends at the Devil,
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  Speaker 1: you know on Viceland. Wow, could they not have described
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  Speaker 1: it any better? What happened, What happened in Clement's, North Carolina.
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  Speaker 1: Kendall Crown's joining us Patholi Deputy Medical Examina in Travis County, Texas.
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  Speaker 1: That's in Austin. Doctor, thank you so much for being
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  Speaker 1: with us. I'm sure you perform more autopsies than you
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  Speaker 1: can even remember, but nobody has to tell you when
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  Speaker 1: you smell a dead body. Oh, yes, that's very true.
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  Speaker 1: It has a very distinct odor. You know, you can
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  Speaker 1: be driving down the road and smell a horrible smell
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  Speaker 1: and know that an animal has been run over. You know,
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  Speaker 1: it's interesting to doctor Karen Starts Psychologists joining me from Manhattan.
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  Speaker 1: Karen on TV, it's also slick and airbrushed and edited
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  Speaker 1: when you see these crime stories on TV. It's not
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  Speaker 1: like that at all in real life. It's amazing to
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  Speaker 1: me sometimes that people are so fascinated with a murder.
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  Speaker 1: I guess it's because they're not seeing the real thing,
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  Speaker 1: because it's something you probably never want to see again.
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  Speaker 1: You never want to be exposed to it. Nancy and
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  Speaker 1: I think that watching it on TV sometimes it's coats
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  Speaker 1: over the fact that it's as horrific as it really is,
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  Speaker 1: because you don't smell it, and you're not there to
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  Speaker 1: get the details that you're described, Leavi Page. Who wasn't
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  Speaker 1: that walked up to this front porch so unknowingly and
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  Speaker 1: smelled the smell of death? Who was that, Nancy? It
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  Speaker 1: was neighbors and people that had been there. He had
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  Speaker 1: a lot of parties, and some of his friends had
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  Speaker 1: also smelled the smell of death, and while they were there, Nancy,
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  Speaker 1: this guy bragged about killing people. But he was so
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  Speaker 1: bizarre that people brushed it off and just thought that
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  Speaker 1: he was kind of crazy. You know, how often is
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  Speaker 1: that true? Joining me, Steve Lampley, Detective Steve Lampley. People
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  Speaker 1: joke about bodies in the basement. I mean at Halloween,
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  Speaker 1: I put an arm on the back of the minivan
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  Speaker 1: and we decorate the house. Most people wouldn't think anything
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  Speaker 1: of it when someone says, I was just the dead
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  Speaker 1: bodies in the basement, But for a detective like yourself,
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  Speaker 1: that's a real giveaway. Well, Nancy, everything's taken seriously, of course,
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  Speaker 1: But people do people do joke with police officer, you
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  Speaker 1: know the world, don't I did this and that? But
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  Speaker 1: oftentimes is in this case, it's not a joke and
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  Speaker 1: it has to be taken seriously a new especially if
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  Speaker 1: you're talking about somebody comes up to you and says
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  Speaker 1: any needs to be looked into. You heard speaking a
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  Speaker 1: woman named Katie Wagner Davis, and she is a friend
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  Speaker 1: of a woman named Amber. She wanted Katie to come
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  Speaker 1: to Pazuzu's parties. Let's just clear up the record here.
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  Speaker 1: Amber is a woman around twenty eight twenty nine years old,
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  Speaker 1: and that is Pazuzu's girlfriend. And isn't it odd to
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  Speaker 1: Ken Belkin joining us today, renown criminal defense attorney in
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  Speaker 1: the New York jurisdiction, Ken, why is it? You may
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  Speaker 1: give me a different answer from what I'm thinking? But
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  Speaker 1: women are so blind to what's wrong with their mate.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, and nearly every child molestation I have ever prosecuted,
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  Speaker 1: and this is a sorry story, the women side with
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  Speaker 1: the man, even in a face of overwhelming evidence of
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  Speaker 1: molestation of their own biological children. It's very hard for
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  Speaker 1: women when they have this picture in their mind of
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  Speaker 1: the perfect relationship, to see what's wrong with the guy?
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  Speaker 1: Hello has how smells like a dead body? There's something wrong?
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  Speaker 1: But here she is saying, Hey, I got a guy,
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  Speaker 1: I want you to meet. It's my boyfriend, Puzuzu Algarad.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, have you ever say, have you ever had
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  Speaker 1: a client Kim Malkin that was blinded by love? Well, look,
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  Speaker 1: everyone's capacity for selflulusion is limited when it comes to
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  Speaker 1: the significant number that they love the most. Take my
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  Speaker 1: golfriend for example, she has to overlook the fact that
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  Speaker 1: I have a cat. Now that's not you know, it
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  Speaker 1: doesn't relate to the situation here. But you know, people
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  Speaker 1: will overlook these things. They will delude themselves. They will
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  Speaker 1: tell lives for themselves, and the longer they tell these
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  Speaker 1: lives to themselves, they will believe them. Well, it wasn't
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  Speaker 1: just the girlfriend that was looking through rose ten glasses.
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  Speaker 1: Take a listen to our friends at w XII twelve,
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  Speaker 1: This is News reporter Talita Vickers I spoke with a
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  Speaker 1: resident who passes this home every single day on his
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  Speaker 1: morning walk. He says that both suspects really kept to
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  Speaker 1: themselves and finding out about the buried bodies in his
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  Speaker 1: neighborhood is alarming to the school bus here every day
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  Speaker 1: and all that type of goods. Now, the precise County
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  Speaker 1: Sheriff's office, it did receive a search warrant to not
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  Speaker 1: only search the backyard but also the inside of this
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  Speaker 1: home here, and they tell us that they are continuing
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  Speaker 1: to piece together evidence that they found inside and outside
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  Speaker 1: of the home, again not releasing what led them here.
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  Speaker 1: You know, it's bad when you've got cops digging through
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  Speaker 1: your trash in your backyard. When you look at your
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  Speaker 1: kitchen window and you see the cops back there, something
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  Speaker 1: is very, very wrong. It's not like when you pull
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  Speaker 1: up Ken Belkin, the or criminal defense attorney to a
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  Speaker 1: red lie and you see a cop over in the
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  Speaker 1: corner arresting somebody for speeding or didn't put on their blanker.
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  Speaker 1: When you see a cop picking through your backyard, you
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  Speaker 1: better get on the phone and call Ken Belkin. You
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  Speaker 1: know that's absolutely correct, and more freasonally than not a
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  Speaker 1: lot of people will call me, because if you're at
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  Speaker 1: that stage of an investigation where cops are in your
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  Speaker 1: backyard going through your trash, more than likely an arrest.
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  Speaker 1: A search warrant was ordered by a judge. So I
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  Speaker 1: mean detectives had to go in front of a judge
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  Speaker 1: with a prosecutor, lay out the probable cause for the
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  Speaker 1: search warrant and get a judge to sign off crime
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  Speaker 1: stories with and see Grace. My name is Katie Wagner Davis,
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  Speaker 1: and I met Amber in high school. We were the
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  Speaker 1: best friends. In no time, I saw my best friend
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  Speaker 1: do a complete total one eighty. One day she's star bubbles.
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  Speaker 1: The next day she's not showering, shaving all of her
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  Speaker 1: eyebrows off, and filing her teeth down to point so
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  Speaker 1: that she could bite into these animals. And it's just no.
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  Speaker 1: Whenever I first really started hearing about Pazuzu, we got
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  Speaker 1: a few phone calls from her telling me that, you know,
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  Speaker 1: she really likes this guy. He's really cool. He's a statanist.
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  Speaker 1: She would talk about these rituals. I guess Pazuzu would
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  Speaker 1: kill an animal and drink the blood. I know that
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  Speaker 1: they would cut each other open and drink each other's blood. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: if I even heard that, I would turn and run
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  Speaker 1: for the hills, as if I had seen a monster.
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  Speaker 1: Why did she stick with him? That's my big question.
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  Speaker 1: Right now, you are hearing our friends over advice on
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  Speaker 1: the Devil, you know, describing this cute little girl in
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  Speaker 1: high school that suddenly shaves off her eyebrows, files her
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  Speaker 1: teeth down to a point and talks about drinking blood. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: right at the quit showering. She had my attention right there.
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  Speaker 1: You know, as much as I love you, Doctor Crown
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  Speaker 1: and Ken Belkin, Steve Lampley leave page, doctor Karen start,
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  Speaker 1: I need a shrink, and I need it fast. How
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  Speaker 1: does somebody go from just such an extreme from zero
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  Speaker 1: to one eighty mph seemingly overnight? Nancy, there's something that
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  Speaker 1: happened when you meet somebody who's exciting, even if it's
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  Speaker 1: horriffic to us and we don't understand it, he's appealing
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  Speaker 1: to a young girl. It's very cold. Like think about Manson, right.
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  Speaker 1: She sees him as being powerful, shiding extraordinary the kanis
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  Speaker 1: and for whatever is going on in her life. We
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  Speaker 1: don't know her background, but there's something about him that
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  Speaker 1: draws her to him. Stop right there, Karen, Karen, Karen,
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  Speaker 1: wait a minute now. Now, if I were to see
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  Speaker 1: something dangerous, I'd say, you know what, see you and
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  Speaker 1: be gone. But I guess at a certain age in
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  Speaker 1: your life you're more drawn to excitement. But biting the
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  Speaker 1: head off an animal and drinking the blood, I don't
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  Speaker 1: know that I would call that excitement. I would call
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  Speaker 1: that gruesome. I mean even a fifteen or sixteen year
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  Speaker 1: old girls should know that not necessarily, not when somebody's
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  Speaker 1: won you over. This is really it's come light. So
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  Speaker 1: it's blind attraction. It's just whatever this guy is telling her,
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  Speaker 1: whatever is supposed to be happening. As a result of
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  Speaker 1: drinking the blood, it becomes a part of something that
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  Speaker 1: she sees as fine, not holoristic anymore as excited shaving
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  Speaker 1: the eyebrows, they're filing the teeth to points the drinking
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  Speaker 1: animal blood. I mean, Ken Belkin, New York criminal defense attorney,
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  Speaker 1: isn't killing an animal and drinking it's blood Isn't there
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  Speaker 1: a crime? Isn't that there a law? Is that? Oh yeah,
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  Speaker 1: you could definitely be prosecuted for cruel being the animals?
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  Speaker 1: And believe me, I know you would think it's not
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  Speaker 1: as common as it is. It does get prosecuted. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: listen to this. She wasn't the only one that witnesses
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  Speaker 1: his peculiarities. Because we learn about this quote. Bled that
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  Speaker 1: is defense talk, defense talk. Troubled that means doing wild, crazy,
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  Speaker 1: usually illegal things. That's what troubled means. Troubled. High school
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  Speaker 1: dropout who changes his name to Pazzuzu, from John to Puzzuzu,
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  Speaker 1: making his middle name Algarad his surname, and adopting as
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  Speaker 1: his first name. That the main demon in The Exorcist.
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  Speaker 1: In case you're wondering, who's Puzzuzu then brought Satanism to
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  Speaker 1: the suburbs. Yeah, that's who this guy is. Now Jackie
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  Speaker 1: Howard is wildly waiving a note to me. She's concerned
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  Speaker 1: that he had three girlfriends. Now, Jackie, I don't know,
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  Speaker 1: but you may be projecting something that's happened in your past.
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  Speaker 1: I'm not sure about that, but you seem to think
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  Speaker 1: that's much worse then file your teeth to points, shaving
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  Speaker 1: off your eyebrows, and drinking animal blood. She's like, but
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  Speaker 1: he's got three girlfriends and he's calling them all his
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  Speaker 1: fiance all right. You know what that says to me?
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  Speaker 1: That says a cult because you have multiple people following
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  Speaker 1: along with you, basically like a Charles Manson of Clemens.
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  Speaker 1: Sylvia le Beau. I'm related to the situation just by
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  Speaker 1: being at the wrong place at the wrong time. He
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  Speaker 1: had this thing called fiances. He had several women followers.
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  Speaker 1: Dixie crystal amber, and he called them his fiances. That
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  Speaker 1: term is always stuck with me, fiances. He had the
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  Speaker 1: sense of power. You know what. Shaving your eyebrows and
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  Speaker 1: filing your teeth to a point is not against the law.
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  Speaker 1: Can deface yourself pretty much anyway you want to. But
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  Speaker 1: this is where I have a problem. The Pscyth County
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  Speaker 1: Medical Examiner's Office has identified this skeletil remains that were
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  Speaker 1: found buried at this Clement's home on knob Hill Drive.
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  Speaker 1: The first victim has been identified as Tommy Dean Welch
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  Speaker 1: born in nineteen seventy eight. The second victim has been
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  Speaker 1: identified as Joshua Frederick Wetsler. Wetsler was reported missing by
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  Speaker 1: his son's mother. Stacy Carter says she had known Wessler
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  Speaker 1: for a decade before his disappearance. They had met in
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  Speaker 1: Washington and moved to North Carolina planning to open a
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  Speaker 1: horse business. Their son was born in two thousand and four.
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  Speaker 1: Carter and Wessler eventually broke up. She tells me the
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  Speaker 1: last time she saw josh was in July two thousand
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  Speaker 1: and nine, and that he was a very loving, caring father.
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  Speaker 1: So when he stopped calling his son, she knew something
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  Speaker 1: was up, but it did how unusual, and he didn't
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  Speaker 1: call his mother on his birthday, and he didn't contact
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  Speaker 1: his son because he is a very loving father and
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  Speaker 1: they put family first and on his son first. The
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  Speaker 1: two people who actually live at this home are suspected
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  Speaker 1: of burying the bodies in the shallow graves were approaching
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  Speaker 1: the twenty four hour market. Crime scene tape is up
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  Speaker 1: and investigators remain on the scene, but thirty five year
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  Speaker 1: old Bazoozu Algarade and twenty four year old Amber Birch
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  Speaker 1: are now locked up facing charges in connection to the
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  Speaker 1: human remains. Both suspects, as I mentioned, live at twenty
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  Speaker 1: seven forty nine knob Hill Drive in Clements where the
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  Speaker 1: skeletal remains were found in shallow graves at the back
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  Speaker 1: of this home. No word yet what led investigators to
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  Speaker 1: search the property yesterday, but the recipe County Sheriff's Office
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  Speaker 1: alone with the State or of Investigation could be seen
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  Speaker 1: throughout the night securing the scene and collecting evidence. You
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  Speaker 1: were hearing from our friends at w XII twelve News
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  Speaker 1: that was Talita Vickers on the scene. Why you know,
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  Speaker 1: the state never has to prove motive to a jury.
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  Speaker 1: But why did these two guys go missing and are
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  Speaker 1: they in fact in this guy Pazuzu Algard aka John
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  Speaker 1: Algard Lawson's backyard? And also why did the girlfriend as
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  Speaker 1: a matter of fact, not one, two, but three girlfriends
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  Speaker 1: stand by? Did they know what was happening? Take a
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  Speaker 1: listen to our friend Talitha at wx H twelve. When
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  Speaker 1: I spoke with investigators with a Psithe County a Sheriff's office,
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  Speaker 1: they told me that they could not release yet what
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  Speaker 1: led them to this home. However, they are confident that
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  Speaker 1: they have the people involved with murdering and burying the
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  Speaker 1: two victims here at this home well the residence. Thirty
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  Speaker 1: five year old Pazuzu al Gerard and twenty four year
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  Speaker 1: old Amber Bert remain locked up this morning, charge with
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  Speaker 1: one counts of murder and one counts of accessory after
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  Speaker 1: the fact to murder. Theaters believe the two are responsible
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  Speaker 1: for killing and bearing two victims in shallow graves behind
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  Speaker 1: the whole where they live. Investigators dug up the graves
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  Speaker 1: Sunday and transporting the remains to wait for his Baptist
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  Speaker 1: Medical Center for positive identification. You can see photos of
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  Speaker 1: this guy Pazuzu la Algord born John Lawson at crime
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  Speaker 1: online dot com. And when you see the dramatic transformation
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  Speaker 1: in his appearance. Have you guys ever seen those ads
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  Speaker 1: on TV about what happens to you when you use
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  Speaker 1: meth about your methamphetamine, how your face totally changes you
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  Speaker 1: suddenly look. It can be nineteen years old and you
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  Speaker 1: look like your fifty five and you've been run over.
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  Speaker 1: That's the transformation you see. As a matter of fact.
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  Speaker 1: Steve Lampley, detective joining us. You know people when you're
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  Speaker 1: walking down the street, you just see them and some
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  Speaker 1: type of instinct takes over and you go to the
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  Speaker 1: other side of the street. That's this guy. If you
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  Speaker 1: take a look at him, that's him, Jackie. Have you
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  Speaker 1: seen his picture? I mean you would totally. I would
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  Speaker 1: pull the twins away and go, okay, getting the car
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  Speaker 1: lot the door, getting the car lot the door. Yeah, Nancy, Well,
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  Speaker 1: that's what he wanted, apparently from from the articles and
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  Speaker 1: information that I have, he wanted to create that environment,
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  Speaker 1: he wanted to create create that alarm, and he wanted
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  Speaker 1: to bring Satanism to that small community. So that was
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  Speaker 1: right down his alley for people to do that he
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  Speaker 1: wanted the shock factor. From what I understand crime stories
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  Speaker 1: with Nancy Grace to doctor Karon Start, a psychologist, I
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  Speaker 1: always refer to conscious and gut feelings, and I do
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  Speaker 1: not think that they are taken seriously enough because I'm
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  Speaker 1: that hunches are born over thousands of years of evolution.
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  Speaker 1: I think your body is like a giant computer, beyond
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  Speaker 1: any AI yet created, where you smell something, you sense something,
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  Speaker 1: you hear something, you feel a shift in the wind.
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  Speaker 1: Your body as beyond any radar or sonar yet created.
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  Speaker 1: And when you have a hunch, you should follow it
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  Speaker 1: because your body, your mind, your senses that you can't
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  Speaker 1: even identify, are telling you something. Your instincts are correct, Nancy,
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  Speaker 1: that's what a hunches. A hunches about an instinct of
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  Speaker 1: feeling that something is wrong. And we're picking up on
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  Speaker 1: all kinds of information in front of our brains that
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  Speaker 1: we're not aware of, and you should pay attention. And
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  Speaker 1: what's fascinating is there were no hunches when it came
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  Speaker 1: to these fiances because they found him intriguing. This was
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  Speaker 1: a cult, so they were able to be under his spell.
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  Speaker 1: But what's a thing that set people around him were
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  Speaker 1: ignoring what was happening despite their hunches. Guys, the one
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  Speaker 1: thing Pazuzu feared was going to jail because he was
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  Speaker 1: afraid he couldn't do his blood rituals every month on
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  Speaker 1: the Dark Moon. Talk about cruel and unusual punishment to
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  Speaker 1: doctor Kindall Crowns joining US deputy and me and Travis County, Texas.
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  Speaker 1: He is a pathologist, doctor Crowns, how do you determine
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  Speaker 1: cause of death? When a body has been buried, time
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  Speaker 1: has gone by, the body has decomposed, how do you
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  Speaker 1: manage to ferret out the truth? So depending on how
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  Speaker 1: much decomposition has occurred, if you still have organs left,
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  Speaker 1: you can still even though they've decomposed quite a bit,
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  Speaker 1: you can still find the injuries in the organs that
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  Speaker 1: can help you determine cause of death and even natural
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  Speaker 1: disease processes. Now, if they've decomposed so much that they've
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  Speaker 1: become skeletons and there's no tissue left whatsoever, we can
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  Speaker 1: still look at the bones and find injuries on the bones,
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  Speaker 1: fractures and traumatic injuries like stab wounds and gunshot wounds,
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  Speaker 1: things of that nature, where we can still make the
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  Speaker 1: determination that this person did indeed die of trauma. And
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  Speaker 1: of course with a bullet wound, you look for entry.
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  Speaker 1: If there's not an exit, you may very well find
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  Speaker 1: the bullet in the body. Doctor Browns, have you ever
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  Speaker 1: had to work on a body that had already begun
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  Speaker 1: to decompose. Yes, I've had to do autopsies on decomposed
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  Speaker 1: cases thousands of times, and skeleton cases for that matter. Now,
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: when you say skeleton cases, what do you mean by that,
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: Doctor Crowns. I could listen to you talk about medical
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: examination all day long. Now you've got me interested about
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: how you perform an autopsy on a skeletonized body. How
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: do you do that? So when the remains are brought in,
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: what we'll do is we'll do an X ray or
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: a CT scan where we'll look for any lead or
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  Speaker 1: anything like that from a bullet or a knife that's
• 21:54
  Speaker 1: still in the bony remains. Then we'll take the remains
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  Speaker 1: out of the bag and we'll sort through them and
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  Speaker 1: will arrange them anatomically and determine how many bones we have,
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  Speaker 1: if there's any missing, etc. And then wait a minute,
• 22:09
  Speaker 1: doctor Crown's question, can you, and don't be modest, can
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  Speaker 1: you look at a bone and just looking at it
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  Speaker 1: and know where it goes on the body. Oh, yes,
• 22:16
  Speaker 1: there's certain there's certain marks on the bones that you
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: can determine if it's right or left. And okay, we're
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: all extremely impressed here in the studio. This may be
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: child's play to you, But the thought that you could
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: look at a bone and know exactly where it goes
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: on the human body, I've always been really curious. I
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: was thinking about I can't remember what case it was.
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: It may have been Kelly Anthony top Mom's daughter where
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: the cops and the medical examiner or investigators were out
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: late into the night trying to find all of her
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  Speaker 1: over two hundred bones so the medical examiner could put
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: them together. I guess to you, it's like you know
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: a lot of people baking a cake. You put in
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: the flower, you put in the show, or a blah blah.
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: Then you have a cake. You can look at a
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  Speaker 1: bone and tell where it goes in a body. Another question,
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: Doctor Kendall Crowns, And believe it or not, after all
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: the years I've prosecuted homicide and covered them, I've never
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: asked this, doctor Crowns. When you have a case where
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: the body has begun to decompose, and like the visitor said,
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: the stinch was unbearable. How do you perform the autopsy
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: with the smell of decomposition? How do you do that? Exally?
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: What we always tell people is you breathe through your mouth,
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: not your nose, and you don't smell the smell as much,
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: and then if you don't leave the room, you come
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: basically nose blind to it over time. For myself in particular,
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: my older brother knocked me around a few times that
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: I've had head trauma, and I have never really been
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: able to smell all that well. So I was uniquely
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: suited for this line of work because of that. Okay,
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: I'm totally stealing your life for my next murder mystery novel,
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: because Jackie, please right this down. I've never heard of
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: that before. A perfect job for you. I was just
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: wondering if medical examiners use some type of a head
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: covering or a mask or something so the d COMP
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: doesn't just overwhelm them. I've seen cops and I actually
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: am writing about this in my next fiction book, where
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: a rookie cop goes to a crime scene there's d
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: COMP and he actually just starts vomiting because the smell
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: is so overwhelming. You know who's getting lost in the
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: sauce right now, and it's my fault. Joshua Retzler and
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: Tommy welch Amber Birch's involvement in the murders and the
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: proper burials of two men at this clemen's home began
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: in July of two thousand and nine. Detectives say the
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: first victim was Joshua Wetzler. He'd been living in the
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: home of Devil Worshiper pursues you Algarad until algarade Shine
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: killed him and hit his body in the basement. Algard
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: called Birch his girlfriend and she came up from South Carolina.
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: At the hell Bury Wetsler when josh and Tommy were
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: discovered the dam with the families, and they told us
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: they were going to fill us in everything that's going
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: to happen at the trial. And it's been two and
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: a half years since they found josh and all this time,
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: you know, we kept asking when is there going to
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: be an intatment, when is there going to be a trial,
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: and we never were contacted with any information. Finally, two
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: years after the bodies are found in the backyard and Namhill.
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: Amber Burch takes a plea deal and finally appears in
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: court to answer for what she's done. You're hearing our
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: friends at Viceland and the Devil, you know, and they
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: are talking about a guy whose lifelong goal it wasn't
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: to win the Olympics. It wasn't to be president of
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: the bank. It was to be a demon. And he
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: named himself after a demon in the Exorcist, Pezuzu Algarod
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: born John Lawson charged in the murders of Joshua Wretzler
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: and Tommy Welch. But what about Amanda Birch and Crystal Mattlocke.
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: Are they both his quote fiances to leave a page
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: Crime online dot Com investigative reporter. Who are these women,
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: Amanda Birch and Crystal Matlock And what if anything, did
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: they have to do with the murders. Amber Birch was
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: his girlfriend, Nancy, and this guy wanted to emulate Charles Manson,
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: so he collected women to join this cult and that's
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: what they did, and they were his accessories. His other
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: fiance that he called her, twenty eight year old Crystal Matlock,
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: she was accused of helping him in Birch bury the bodies,
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: and she was charged as an accessory after the fact. Wow,
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: you know you would think that there were plenty of
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: red flags with a guy who's apparently lifelong dream is
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: to be a demon. Well, guess what there were. Al
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: Gerard was arrested in two ten and charged with accessory
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: after the fact in the murder of Joseph Chandler, a
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: legally blind man from Clemens, whose body was found at
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: Dona Park in Yakin County June seven, twenty ten. Four
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: years later, al Gerard here is apparently back behind bars
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: along with Birch at the First Sithe County Detention Center.
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: Both are charged with one count of murder and one
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: count of accessory after the fact to murder. They're also
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: being held without bond. The skeletal remains have been taken
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: to Wakeforce Baptist Medical Center for a positive identification and
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: further examination. You're hearing our friend again, Talita Vickers there
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: at w XII to kid Melcon New York criminal defense
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: attorney Kent. What is accessory after the fact. The accessory
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: after the fact is when you take part in the
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: cover up in the crime, usually or you know you
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: undertake some sort of efforts to assist in the person
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: who committed the crime, sort of evading detection, avating consequences
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: crime stories with Nancy Grace. It was curious to me
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: Steve Wampley, detective joining us today that no motive has
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: ever been revealed. And again, as ken Belkolin will back
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: me up on this, the state's never required to prove
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: motive in any case, but for practical reasons, the jury
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: wants to hear why they want to make it all
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: fit together, Levi Page, was there any motive that we
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: could discern? There was no motive Nancy, other than this
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: guy was just dark. That's the best way that I
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: can describe him. That's the most polite way. I guess
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: it would be for the same reason that he killed
• 28:39
  Speaker 1: animals and drink their blood. Why. I guess the answer
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: to that is why? Ask why to Levi Page, investigative reporter.
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: I'm just very curious as to with all of these
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: red flags, including being connected to a prior death of
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: a blind man, how is a self proclaimed demon worshipper
• 29:01
  Speaker 1: Pazuzu Algaret able to get away with all of these
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: crimes for so long? And were there tips to police
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: about the bodies or anything else. Well, this is what happened, Nancy.
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: He was arrested in twenty ten. He was charged with
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: accessory after the fact for the shooting death of Joseph Chandler,
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: that blind person. He let the killer of that man
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: stay in his home where these wild, disgusting parties were
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: going on, and he played guilty and was sentenced to probation,
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: and he went back to the home. And in twenty
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: ten his home was actually searched and they discovered this
• 29:37
  Speaker 1: huge mess, you know, animal defecation, human defecation. People would
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: relieve themselves all over the place. It was trashed, and
• 29:46
  Speaker 1: they never found those bodies in the backyard until people
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: that partied with him complained to the police and said,
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: this guy has bragged about killing people. It smells of
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: death in the home. And then police went back and
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: then they dug up the bodies of those missing young
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: men in their early thirties. But my question is all
• 30:07
  Speaker 1: that is accurate, But how did he get away for
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: so long with this type of behavior. I think because
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: he was so crazy, Nancy, that people didn't take him seriously.
• 30:18
  Speaker 1: If that makes sense. There's rantings about killing people. I mean,
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: this guy has even while in jail, he has said
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: that he killed sex workers, prostitutes, that he's killed more
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: people than has been attributed to him that he had
• 30:33
  Speaker 1: been charged with. And I think people chalked it up
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: to this is just the rantings of a madman and
• 30:39
  Speaker 1: did not take it seriously. And then when they did
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: come to search the home, they found nothing. Yes, and
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: I think that that can be chocked up because they
• 30:47
  Speaker 1: didn't do a thorough job of searching the home. How
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: do you miss two dead bodies in the backyard. Cadaver
• 30:52
  Speaker 1: dogs would have found that. You know what, You're right,
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: But at the time twenty ten, did they have reason
• 30:58
  Speaker 1: to bring cadaver dogs. I think that if your home
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: is like this and there's people saying this guy has
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: bragged about killing people, his home smells like death, that
• 31:08
  Speaker 1: could have been probable cause it a brain well, I agree,
• 31:10
  Speaker 1: I agree, But in two ten, I don't know that
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: people were saying it smells like death because when were
• 31:16
  Speaker 1: the two victims, Joshua Wrestler and Tommy Welch murdered? What date?
• 31:20
  Speaker 1: And two thousand and nine is when they went missing.
• 31:22
  Speaker 1: They were reported missing in two thousand and nine and
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: they were apparently killed inside of his home according to
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: his co conspirators. Well, you know what, then you might
• 31:30
  Speaker 1: be right that cadaver dogs would have found that, and
• 31:34
  Speaker 1: that the stench of death was already there to Karen Stark,
• 31:38
  Speaker 1: psychologists joining us out of Manhattan, Karen, why do you
• 31:42
  Speaker 1: believe that this guy, a self professed damon pazuzu alcaad
• 31:47
  Speaker 1: got away with his crimes for so long? So I
• 31:50
  Speaker 1: think that what we're talking about is that the police
• 31:54
  Speaker 1: did not do a thorough enough job. Nancy, I don't know.
• 31:58
  Speaker 1: Was it that he was so bizarre that they thought
• 32:01
  Speaker 1: that it must be a joke. It doesn't It doesn't
• 32:04
  Speaker 1: make a lot of sense. There's something that was missing
• 32:08
  Speaker 1: because if other people were smelling death and the police
• 32:10
  Speaker 1: show up there, and why didn't they bring the dogs?
• 32:14
  Speaker 1: Why didn't they smell that? How come they didn't do
• 32:17
  Speaker 1: a thorough enough search? Something went wrong with the justice
• 32:21
  Speaker 1: in this case. I'm thinking to you, Ken Malcolm, new
• 32:24
  Speaker 1: York criminal defense attorney, about one of the three fiances,
• 32:28
  Speaker 1: Amber Birch. She was sentenced to forty years up to
• 32:33
  Speaker 1: forty years for shooting Joshua Wetzler. Do you see similarities
• 32:38
  Speaker 1: between her case and the Manson murders. I do see similarities.
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: You know, this is a young woman who was taken
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: in by a characteristic psychopa and influenced arguably to do
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: but I've never done otherwise. I couldn't draw a closer
• 32:53
  Speaker 1: line to it than that, except for the fact that,
• 32:55
  Speaker 1: you know, Manson looked slightly more normal than this guy. Yeah,
• 32:59
  Speaker 1: you know, you're right to leave a page. Who do
• 33:02
  Speaker 1: they believe actually pulled the trigger? So he is the
• 33:06
  Speaker 1: one that pulled the triggers. They were actually inside of
• 33:09
  Speaker 1: his home when these murders happened. They were regulars in
• 33:13
  Speaker 1: his home. They partied with him, and he is the
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: one that shot him. And then his girlfriends actually came
• 33:19
  Speaker 1: in after the fact and helped him bury in dispose
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: of these bodies. But here's the thing, Nancy. Law enforcement
• 33:25
  Speaker 1: has said that these bodies were inside of his home
• 33:29
  Speaker 1: for weeks before they actually buried them in the backyard.
• 33:33
  Speaker 1: So he was living inside of this house with dead
• 33:37
  Speaker 1: bodies in there for weeks. That's how demented that he is.
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: You know what, there's actually no telling what he did
• 33:43
  Speaker 1: to those bodies. To doctor Kendall Crowns, joining US Pathologist
• 33:48
  Speaker 1: Deputy Medical Examiner Travis County, Texas doctor Crowns would even
• 33:51
  Speaker 1: if a body has been decomposing, would you be able
• 33:55
  Speaker 1: to determine if, for instance, satanic rituals were done on
• 33:58
  Speaker 1: the bodies, or sometimes when you get mutilation of the
• 34:02
  Speaker 1: body for rituals or for whatever, you can still tell
• 34:06
  Speaker 1: even with decompositions. Occasionally the maggots will come in and
• 34:10
  Speaker 1: they'll they'll eat away at the wounds, but you'll still
• 34:13
  Speaker 1: be able to tell that it's traumatic in nature. Question
• 34:18
  Speaker 1: to you leave my page and mist get a reporter,
• 34:21
  Speaker 1: what do authorities believe was the motive behind the killings?
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: They actually don't know the motive behind the killings. This
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: guy apparently was so demented, Nancy, and was so attracted
• 34:34
  Speaker 1: to the dark side. I mean, if you've looked at
• 34:36
  Speaker 1: his home, there's trash everywhere. He allowed people to defecate
• 34:42
  Speaker 1: in urinae inside the home and made his dogs clean
• 34:46
  Speaker 1: it up. This home was in such a mess, Nancy,
• 34:50
  Speaker 1: and it had to be demolished. Nobody could live in
• 34:53
  Speaker 1: that home after he and his girlfriends were arrested. They
• 34:56
  Speaker 1: think that this is just someone that was just absolutely
• 35:00
  Speaker 1: demented for no reason at all. He was just attracted
• 35:04
  Speaker 1: to the dark side. You know, I'm wondering if he
• 35:07
  Speaker 1: believed that in order to truly become a demon he
• 35:10
  Speaker 1: had to commit a murderer. Well, you may be if
• 35:15
  Speaker 1: not happy, relieved to know that he was so disturbed
• 35:19
  Speaker 1: about not being able to perform his blood rituals behind
• 35:24
  Speaker 1: bars on the quote dark moon each month he committed suicide.
• 35:29
  Speaker 1: He had always promised that he would bite his finger
• 35:34
  Speaker 1: to the bone and then puncture and artery. He actually
• 35:40
  Speaker 1: did bleed out behind bars, we think from a self
• 35:44
  Speaker 1: inflicted wound. Well, Pazuzu Algorod aka John Lawson. I don't
• 35:50
  Speaker 1: think you're going to be missed Nancy Gray's crime Stories
• 35:54
  Speaker 1: signing off and ps, I think I know where you are.
• 35:57
  Speaker 1: You wanted to be a demon, Well, right now you're
• 36:00
  Speaker 1: having dinner with demons. Goodbye, friends,