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Jaguars Reporters: Tuesday, August 20 · The Jacksonville Jaguars Official Podcast Network

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Speaker 1: Welcome into another edition of the Jaguars Reporters podcast. J P. Shadrick,
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Speaker 1: Brian Sexton, John Osier, Ashlan Sullivan is working away on
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Speaker 1: another another project. She'll be back with us another time.
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Speaker 1: Jags Dolphins coming up Thursday night. We just heard from
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Speaker 1: Doug Moron for the final time before that game, and hey,
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Speaker 1: it sounds like, um, everybody's gonna at least get a
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Speaker 1: go who's healthy. That includes Cam Robinson going at left
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Speaker 1: tackle for how long? We don't know, John, Yeah, and
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Speaker 1: I think that's the storylines. Everybody sort of knows that
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Speaker 1: folds uh for Nett, the guys who have been healthy,
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Speaker 1: you're gonna play. Uh. It sounds like right now, as
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Speaker 1: of Tuesday, there is a relatively good chance to starting
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Speaker 1: line will play together. Doug sort of couched it by saying, Hey,
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Speaker 1: we'll see. We're gonna decide tonight. I still sort of
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Speaker 1: wonder Brian if Cambell and Deep play. I think they're
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Speaker 1: gonna try to have him play. I think they're gonna
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Speaker 1: be smart. Uh. In talking to him in the locker room,
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Speaker 1: he used the phrase what we'll e Uh So I
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Speaker 1: think there's still a decision we made there. But regardless. However,
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Speaker 1: many starting offensive linemen, the more the better, and I
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Speaker 1: think that's gonna be the area to watch. As long
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Speaker 1: as you get three or four guys in there who
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Speaker 1: are starting together, I think you can gauge it. And
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Speaker 1: I think that's the biggest question going into the season.
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Speaker 1: So if this was a Friday practice and today being Tuesday,
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Speaker 1: with a Thursday game, it was their equivalent of a
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Speaker 1: Friday practice, then I would say Cam Robinson's playing based
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Speaker 1: on if it was very right. But because it's a
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Speaker 1: preseason game, who knows, they could just get there. Doug
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Speaker 1: could feel good about it tonight. You guys don't know
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Speaker 1: how Doug is. He could feel good about it tonight
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Speaker 1: and then on Thursday just say, you know what, I
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Speaker 1: don't feel good, don't like this. I'm letting the whole
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Speaker 1: thing go. You know It's funny. I went round and
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Speaker 1: round and round with Doug in a television production meeting
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Speaker 1: before the Eagles game about the value of the preseason,
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Speaker 1: because my contention, JP is there's no value to the
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Speaker 1: preseason anymore, at least as far as your starters are concerned,
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Speaker 1: if you're not playing them in Game one, three or four, Right,
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Speaker 1: I don't see it. If you're gonna protect, protect all
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Speaker 1: the way, don't leave a little shank where someone can
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Speaker 1: get the arrow under the armor. If that's the way
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Speaker 1: that you're gonna take it. And we went round and
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Speaker 1: round around, and finally he came back and said, hey, look,
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Speaker 1: even when we put the guys out there, we're not
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Speaker 1: putting them in any danger. We're not asking them to
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Speaker 1: hold their blocks so that Nick can send the ball deep.
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Speaker 1: We're not asking them to block in a certain way
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Speaker 1: that's gonna put them in danger, you know, in the pile.
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Speaker 1: We're trying to keep it simple. Just get their bodies
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Speaker 1: used to the hitting and let it go from there.
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Speaker 1: Which I thought was a really telling sign. Hit one
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Speaker 1: play starters. But he wants to play starters. But he
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Speaker 1: doesn't want to play starters. I mean, he's all in
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Speaker 1: on this protection thing. But the old school coaching him says,
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Speaker 1: they've got to get some reps so so you manage
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Speaker 1: the type. They're gonna be real simple. And he said,
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Speaker 1: I don't understand why people don't get that. That's the
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Speaker 1: way it's been around the NFL for years, because it's
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Speaker 1: hard to explain that because what you see as players playing,
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Speaker 1: and there's gonna be anytime these guys move around, there's
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Speaker 1: injury risk. So the narrative becomes, if one guy has
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Speaker 1: he why did you play the star? You know? And
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Speaker 1: they could have gotten hurt in practice just as easily,
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Speaker 1: but they doom enimized that violent flukey roll type of
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Speaker 1: injury that happens in regular seas. Okay, but Derwin James
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Speaker 1: breaks the fifth Martin metatarsal bone in his foot in
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Speaker 1: a preseason game. Now, it could have been cracked, it
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Speaker 1: could have been a long you know. That's the kind
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Speaker 1: of injury that you know, kind of like an a
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Speaker 1: c l it. It kind of builds over time because
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Speaker 1: of the stress on the foot. I mean, I get that.
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Speaker 1: I don't hear a lot of human cry, you know,
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Speaker 1: out in Los Angeles about Derwin He's gonna miss the season, right,
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Speaker 1: it happens. It was a fluke. Don't you think they
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Speaker 1: tried to protect him? Of course they did, He's an
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Speaker 1: All Pro safety. But those things do happen. So you
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Speaker 1: could get a guy that gets he's just setting up
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Speaker 1: a little block and someone rolls into his leg and
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Speaker 1: all of a sudden there's a high ankle sprain. And
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Speaker 1: then he's out for six weeks. And that's what the
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Speaker 1: preseason is about football. No matter how you do, it
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Speaker 1: is still a dangerous game. Guys can get hurt. We
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Speaker 1: had a conversation on Monday night Jaguars Happier, Tony Boselli,
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Speaker 1: Pete Prisco, you might have heard of those guys um
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Speaker 1: about the tied end position. They both called it a
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Speaker 1: train wreck right now because the front line guys are down.
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Speaker 1: That's the phrase they use. They got O'Shaughnessy, and they
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Speaker 1: got Koyak and some guys they've signed in the last
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Speaker 1: week and a half. It's not an ideal situation. I'll
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Speaker 1: say that, how concerning is that position for you guys
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Speaker 1: right now? For me, it is a little bit for
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Speaker 1: me too. It's concerning. Um. If they don't get either
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Speaker 1: Swam or Oliver back by week one, it's a huge concern.
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Speaker 1: I'd say, there's no doubt it's going to be weaker
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Speaker 1: than you would like, because it doesn't sound like those
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Speaker 1: guys are going to get any more regular or any
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Speaker 1: more preseason reps. Um. I guess I always sort of
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Speaker 1: keep it in perspective of if you haven't lost guys
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Speaker 1: for the season, during the preseason, then you least have
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Speaker 1: the chance to get it back at some point. You
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Speaker 1: gotta stay afloat um. What I wonder is, I know
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Speaker 1: tight ends important to folds in De Filipo, but the
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Speaker 1: fact that the receivers have looked so good, you wonder
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Speaker 1: if in the past those guys haven't You know the
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Speaker 1: book is that, well, it's very in this offense. What's
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Speaker 1: very important you have zach Ertz. Sure, so if you
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Speaker 1: don't have zach Ertz, but you have really good play
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Speaker 1: out of Keelan Cole or out of D. D. Westbrook
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Speaker 1: or out of whoever is playing receiver, can it be
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Speaker 1: adapted or if you or if you're getting great production
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Speaker 1: out of Leonard Fournete, which I think is a real possibility.
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Speaker 1: So concerned, would you like to have these guys back
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Speaker 1: and be better? Yes? Is it jump off a bridge? Concern?
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Speaker 1: Not unless they miss extended period of the regular season.
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Speaker 1: Here's how important the tight end is in the offense.
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Speaker 1: If they hadn't had josh Alan fall into their lab,
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Speaker 1: they were taking t. J. Hockinson the tight end from Iowa,
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Speaker 1: so they wanted to address it. However, talking to people
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Speaker 1: in Philadelphia and talking to people around here. They think
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Speaker 1: they can get by and scheme to get guys open.
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Speaker 1: Now you lose the dependable hands, and obviously they don't
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Speaker 1: have zach Ertz on the roster, and they liked what
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Speaker 1: they were getting from Josh Oliver before he did go down.
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Speaker 1: But it's nothing that's gonna cripple this offense long term.
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Speaker 1: These are guys swaying with the foot, Oliver with hamstring.
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Speaker 1: They expect to have back before they get into October.
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Speaker 1: So there's no real reason for concern right now. You know,
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Speaker 1: the biggest reason that the tight end disappeared from the
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Speaker 1: offense last year and a s J getting hurt hurt,
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Speaker 1: But early on they were using the tight end a
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Speaker 1: lot when they were running effectively. When you can get
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Speaker 1: the running game and you can draw in people and
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Speaker 1: get going and then get the tight end off to
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Speaker 1: the side, off in the flat, in the passing game,
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Speaker 1: off of play action. When that went away, all of
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Speaker 1: a sudden, the tight end went away. So yes, if
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Speaker 1: other parts of your offense are going well, you can
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Speaker 1: scheme the tight end into it. But I don't think
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Speaker 1: even with the guys that we're talking about being injured
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Speaker 1: that they yet have a tight end where it's, oh,
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Speaker 1: my goodness, this is what we're gonna use. This is
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Speaker 1: our go to in every situation. And you don't have
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Speaker 1: a tight end of the running game right now anyway.
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Speaker 1: S j was two seventy right, Mercedes was to seventy
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Speaker 1: swains to fifty Josh Olivers, undrafted rookie guys, not like
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Speaker 1: you can go, oh, he was going to do this
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Speaker 1: this for us. There, They've got a plan to do
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Speaker 1: other things until the tight ends come back in. And
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Speaker 1: by the way, I think that's why Terrell Prior makes
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Speaker 1: this team. He's that big body, dependable handed guy who
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Speaker 1: can get to third and seven and pull the ball in.
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Speaker 1: He's a guy that they can count on to do
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Speaker 1: that job, which normally would be for a tight end.
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Speaker 1: He's a flip of a coin last weekend. But we'll
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Speaker 1: say he hasn't played the game yet for this team,
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Speaker 1: so we're gonna see him before we remember he has.
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Speaker 1: He's well known to the offensive coordinator, who is if
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Speaker 1: you don't know this already, very comfortable with him. Very
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Speaker 1: third stop um with Filippo as a quarterback and receiver
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Speaker 1: now as a receiver, very comfortable with him Jaguars Reporters
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Speaker 1: podcast continues. I talk to Miles Jack in the locker
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Speaker 1: room the other day and asked him, Hey, you know what,
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Speaker 1: what's an ideal night for this starting defense on Thursdays?
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Speaker 1: Like a couple of drives and then get out of there.
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Speaker 1: And that's really was kind of his tone on that
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Speaker 1: they want to get sometime. It feels like the stars
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Speaker 1: of this defense. Uh. And I asked Claris Campbell, how
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Speaker 1: much time do you need? He's like, well, I don't
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Speaker 1: need any time. I would want sometime. They'll do some
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Speaker 1: certain things, but how long you will see these It's
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Speaker 1: interesting that you say that, because when Kevin Hardy came
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Speaker 1: to the broadcast booth with Leon and I on Thursday
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Speaker 1: against the Eagles, he said, absolutely the defensive guys have
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Speaker 1: got to have time to get their shoulders loosened up
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Speaker 1: to get used to the contact. He firmly believed that
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Speaker 1: they needed three or four series for that. They don't
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Speaker 1: need sacks, they don't need interceptions or tip balls or
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Speaker 1: any of that. I just need to hit just a
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Speaker 1: little contact to get used to it, because, let's be honest,
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Speaker 1: contact in this camp has been very sparse. They did
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Speaker 1: a little bit in the game in the practices against
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Speaker 1: the Ravens, but those were not the front liners. Front
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Speaker 1: line guys, according to Kevin, Pro Bowl linebacker need to
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Speaker 1: have a couple of series just to loosen up. Yeah, serry,
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Speaker 1: the game has changed. After you walked away from Miles
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Speaker 1: the other day, I was there JP and talked to
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Speaker 1: him a little more about it, and he sort of admitted, goes,
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Speaker 1: if I had my way, wouldn't play at all. He'd
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Speaker 1: be fine with it. Um uh so, But ideally what
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Speaker 1: they would like is to have a couple of three
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Speaker 1: and outs get going feel good about it coming off.
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Speaker 1: I get what Kevin saying. I think in this day
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Speaker 1: and age, you almost have to accept that because you're
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Speaker 1: not gonna have enough contact anymore in the preseason and
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Speaker 1: put guys at risk. You almost have to accept that
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Speaker 1: for the first couple of weeks of the season you're
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Speaker 1: gonna have some tackling issues because they haven't done it yet.
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Speaker 1: And that's almost part of the game. In this salary
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Speaker 1: cap air, it's too bad, that's how it is. You're
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Speaker 1: making my case for not having preseason games, right. If
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Speaker 1: you're gonna accept that in the regular season, the first
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Speaker 1: three games are going to be lighter than than normal
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Speaker 1: games would that you've been used to and only worries
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Speaker 1: me about no preseason is I think sixteen regular season
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Speaker 1: games is it is plenty. I don't want to see
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Speaker 1: more because I think the attrition at the end of
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Speaker 1: the season already turns of the games, you know, past
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Speaker 1: two weeks into attrition bowl. I think it gets worse.
10:03
Speaker 1: I'm not saying mutual exclusive. I'm not saying you have
10:05
Speaker 1: to have eighteen if you don't have any. I'm saying
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Speaker 1: it's hard to place revenue. Well, right, I get it.
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Speaker 1: There are other ways around it. There's other ways to
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Speaker 1: find it, with streaming rights that the Amazon and things
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Speaker 1: that are coming in and online that we haven't even considered.
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Speaker 1: I'm just saying that if you if you say you
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Speaker 1: have to accept the first couple of regular season games
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Speaker 1: aren't is good, arn't is fundamentally sound, then that is
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Speaker 1: the absolute reason. If we're going to accept that, then
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Speaker 1: let's not even expose a single starter to injure well
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Speaker 1: like it or not, there's a preseason game Thursday night
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Speaker 1: the Jaguars and the Dolphins. It's an eight fifteen official
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Speaker 1: kickoff time listed as eight o'clock is the national television.
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Speaker 1: What time are we gonna get home. It's been a
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Speaker 1: long night tonight. Just get it done, guys, Thanks a lot,
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Speaker 1: appreciate J John, Brian Sexton, I'm JP Shatterck. We'll see
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Speaker 1: you next time on Jaguars Reporter. I don't know, no