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The Most HORRIFIC Case of Fr. Carlos Martins and the ATTACK That Followed · Adrian Milag Podcast

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SPEAKER_01: You were once an atheist father.
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SPEAKER_02: I had made the Lord an offer.
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SPEAKER_02: I said, If if you reveal yourself to me, give me the faith they have, I'll give you my life.
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SPEAKER_02: Amen.
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SPEAKER_01: And God said your babisimo fire.
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SPEAKER_01: Her case was the first case I had where I saw a level.
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SPEAKER_02: I don't want to get you in trouble again, but about aliens.
0:23
SPEAKER_02: I just want to point something out.
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SPEAKER_02: The phenomenon of seeing aliens, all of that stuff started when we reached the space.
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SPEAKER_01: What is the common entry point you see for demon influence among the youth right now?
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SPEAKER_01: Dabbling in the occult and such.
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SPEAKER_02: You know, if you're going to set out to do anything good, then you need to be ready to be a father after you release this book.
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SPEAKER_02: Right.
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SPEAKER_02: It happened, it happened the day after the book shipped.
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SPEAKER_02: Oh wow.
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SPEAKER_02: It happened the day after.
0:58
SPEAKER_02: Oh so this, and even my book agent uh was attacked the same day.
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SPEAKER_02: Um, it would have all the character of that.
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SPEAKER_02: It would have all the character of that, and that's that's what I believe.
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SPEAKER_02: Less speaking to you.
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SPEAKER_02: I'm more blessed.
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SPEAKER_02: I can't believe I'm in the presence of the world famous Adrian Milan.
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SPEAKER_01: Hello to Historian Catholic, Father Carlos Martin CC.
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SPEAKER_01: So what a great honor to have you, Father.
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SPEAKER_01: Great honor to be here, thank you.
1:29
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, so happy to see you personally since I interviewed you last two years, I think.
1:35
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, or three years ago.
1:36
SPEAKER_01: Three years ago, yeah.
1:38
SPEAKER_01: I think so.
1:38
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
1:39
SPEAKER_01: If it if it hasn't been three, it's very close.
1:41
SPEAKER_01: Right, right.
1:42
SPEAKER_01: It's been uh surreal having you uh face-to-face, um talking to you right now.
1:48
SPEAKER_01: Praise God.
1:48
SPEAKER_01: Good.
1:49
SPEAKER_01: So how's your experience in the Philippines, Father?
1:51
SPEAKER_01: Wonderful.
1:52
SPEAKER_02: Uh it's been it's been great.
1:54
SPEAKER_02: You know, I expected it to be much hotter than what it is, but uh it's quite pleasant.
1:59
SPEAKER_02: Thanks Bitoka because it's raining.
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SPEAKER_02: Yeah, yeah.
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SPEAKER_02: So it's it's been uh it's been overcast and raining, uh raining at least a little bit most days, but it makes for a very pleasant walking weather and um uh it's been delightful.
2:12
SPEAKER_01: Here, The Exorcist Pass, you know, this is your popular book.
2:15
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, praise God.
2:16
SPEAKER_01: Uh best-selling book.
2:17
SPEAKER_02: It's a best-selling book through uh Publishers Weekly, which is the arm of the US publishing industry.
2:26
SPEAKER_02: So I see I don't know where what where it was in the rankings of individuals, uh, but I received notice that it was uh it was a bestseller by the publishers association.
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SPEAKER_01: So uh later I want I want you to sign my book.
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SPEAKER_01: Sure.
2:39
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_01: And Father, I want to give you uh this first uh before we start.
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SPEAKER_01: Okay.
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SPEAKER_01: A handmade rosary.
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SPEAKER_01: Uh could you open it?
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SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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SPEAKER_01: Matter day rosary.
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SPEAKER_01: Uh it was created by Matter Day Rosary.
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SPEAKER_02: Okay.
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SPEAKER_02: Wow, beautiful.
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SPEAKER_02: This is great.
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SPEAKER_01: Handmade rosary, Father.
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SPEAKER_02: My goodness.
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SPEAKER_02: Thank you very much.
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SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_02: That is beautiful and feels really strong.
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SPEAKER_01: And it was already blessed.
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SPEAKER_02: This is a man's rosary.
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SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_01: That's great.
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SPEAKER_01: And the creator of that rosary wants uh your shout out.
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SPEAKER_02: Sure.
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SPEAKER_02: This is a shout-out to Nico of Matter Day Rosary for sponsoring this beautiful handcrafted rosary.
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SPEAKER_02: You can follow them on Facebook and Instagram for more of their beautiful work.
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SPEAKER_03: Thank you, Father.
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SPEAKER_03: You got it.
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SPEAKER_01: And welcome again, Father Carlos Martin.
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SPEAKER_01: You're welcome.
3:38
SPEAKER_01: And uh I just watched your interview with Laila Rose, and we're so thankful that you you're back now in ministry, Father.
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SPEAKER_02: Yeah, praise God.
3:47
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, me too.
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SPEAKER_01: Could you briefly introduce yourself to our audience right now?
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SPEAKER_02: Yeah, sure.
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SPEAKER_02: So my name is Father Carlos Martins.
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SPEAKER_02: I'm a Catholic priest stationed in the United States.
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SPEAKER_02: I am uh head of a ministry called Treasures of the Church, which brings relics of the saints to churches, schools, and prisons throughout the world.
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SPEAKER_02: And I also am the host of the Exorcist Files, uh, which is um consists of podcasts that are reenactments of the exorcism cases that I've had.
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SPEAKER_01: You shared this many times, but I want to ask you again because you were once an atheist father.
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SPEAKER_01: Yes.
4:24
SPEAKER_01: Could you tell us more about it?
4:26
SPEAKER_01: Sure.
4:26
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
4:27
SPEAKER_02: So I I um I remember as a very young child uh believing in God, and I even have some of my old school notebooks where I refer to God within them.
4:38
SPEAKER_02: But at a certain point, uh, somewhere, you know, approaching adulthood in high school and for sure in university, uh, I didn't believe in God.
4:48
SPEAKER_02: And I didn't believe in God because of the way that I saw the universe functioning and the way it was constructed.
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SPEAKER_02: Uh, that it just seemed to me there wasn't adequate evidence of God's presence, particularly when you looked at evil, the sheer amount of evil that's there, and just the contradiction among different groups that believe in God.
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SPEAKER_02: You know, each religion contradicts the next.
5:12
SPEAKER_02: Right.
5:13
SPEAKER_02: Uh, but the the problem of um, well, if God exists, uh, why doesn't he just reveal himself?
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SPEAKER_02: Why do we have to take his existence on faith?
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SPEAKER_02: That for me was the biggest one.
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SPEAKER_02: And and of course, uh, I I was proved wrong in the sense that uh I that that conclusion was shown to be incorrect because he did reveal himself.
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SPEAKER_02: And he did it absolutely convincingly to me in an experience in front of the Blessed Sacrament in the Eucharist.
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SPEAKER_02: And that experience changed my life uh to say the least.
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SPEAKER_02: And it is funny because of all of my friends, I was the most anti-religious.
5:56
SPEAKER_02: Oh.
5:56
SPEAKER_02: And when I converted, they knew something had happened because this was the guy that made fun of us for going to church on Sunday.
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SPEAKER_02: And if he's going to church now, and of course, I eventually became a seminarian and then was ordained a priest, they they knew God himself had done something because the change was not a natural change.
6:17
SPEAKER_02: Wow.
6:17
SPEAKER_02: Uh, did do you heard God's spoke to your heart during the sun?
6:23
SPEAKER_02: I got invited to a Eucharistic adoration retreat.
6:28
SPEAKER_02: And the invite came from a small group of students that were in university with me, they were undergraduates, and they were they were significant in that I I was in class with them, so I could see they weren't stupid.
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SPEAKER_02: They they were intelligent people.
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SPEAKER_02: Yet at the same time, they believed in God.
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SPEAKER_02: And so that for me was a dichotomy because I thought, how could anybody rational believe in God?
6:56
SPEAKER_02: But they were so different in their persons, they were different from everybody else.
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SPEAKER_02: They exuded a piece that was powerfully attractive.
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SPEAKER_02: And that piece I didn't see in anybody else.
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SPEAKER_02: And the guy, the, the, the story that I like to tell, the anecdote that I like to tell to describe that was one morning, uh, one of them and I, we were sitting having a coffee at a coffee shop together at a small table, just like this.
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SPEAKER_02: And someone came in and told him, so this was about 11 in the morning, someone came in and told him your car was stolen out of the parking lot.
7:32
SPEAKER_02: Oh, and it was slammed into a tree, somebody's front lawn.
7:37
SPEAKER_02: Okay.
7:38
SPEAKER_02: Your car is garbage.
7:39
SPEAKER_02: And so he hears this news and he turns and he faces me again.
7:44
SPEAKER_02: And he said, Well, I guess it just wasn't God's will for me to have a car right now.
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SPEAKER_02: And he could still enjoy the cup of coffee in front of him.
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SPEAKER_02: So that kind of peace, you know, I didn't nobody else had.
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SPEAKER_02: So there was something in him that was different.
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SPEAKER_02: And and in, in fact, in this whole group.
8:02
SPEAKER_02: And so what happened was they invited me to this Eucharistic adoration retreat.
8:08
SPEAKER_02: I had no idea what that was.
8:10
SPEAKER_02: And in fact, I thought it was just a holiday, a vacation when I heard the word retreat.
8:14
SPEAKER_02: Uh, but I went and I learned there what it consisted of.
8:20
SPEAKER_02: It was going to be four hours a day for each man of adoration of the of the Lord in the Blessed Sacrament.
8:27
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
8:27
SPEAKER_02: And, you know, I I I had the first shift.
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SPEAKER_02: I I was the one to begin it all.
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SPEAKER_02: And I I just felt out of place, foolish, uh, because I didn't have the faith.
8:37
SPEAKER_02: So I I'm I'm I'm sitting in a chapel in front of what looks to me like a cracker.
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SPEAKER_02: And I just plotted my escape.
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SPEAKER_02: I thought, what can I do to get out of here?
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SPEAKER_02: Right.
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SPEAKER_02: So, but you know, the thing was, I was, I mean, the easy excuse would have been to say, hey, I feel ill, but I had too much respect for them to lie to them because of their character.
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SPEAKER_02: Their character was so big, their character had so much goodness.
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SPEAKER_02: I couldn't bring myself to state a lie.
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SPEAKER_02: And so, what do I do?
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SPEAKER_02: Well, if I don't want to lie, then that means I have to stay.
9:16
SPEAKER_02: And so I'm I sat for a while measuring that out.
9:19
SPEAKER_02: And then I thought, okay, well, I'm I'm staying.
9:21
SPEAKER_02: I got on my knees and I said, I did the most honest thing I ever did in my life.
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SPEAKER_02: I said to God, if you exist, please reveal yourself to me.
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SPEAKER_02: And if you do, on this retreat, if you can give me the faith I see in them, I'll give you my life.
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SPEAKER_02: So nothing dramatic happened, uh, but but there was it was a kind of a small sense of peace.
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SPEAKER_02: Not overwhelming, that's for sure.
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SPEAKER_02: But peace in the sense that I was surprised how quickly the rest of that hour went in the chapel.
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SPEAKER_02: So uh six hours later, six hours from when I began one shift is the beginning of another shift.
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SPEAKER_02: And again, nothing overwhelming happened.
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SPEAKER_02: I went in that chapel.
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SPEAKER_02: The sense of peace was a tiny little bit more okay.
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SPEAKER_02: I sat in there in silence.
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SPEAKER_02: By the third shift, now this was three in the morning when it began.
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SPEAKER_02: I went in that chapel as an atheist and I came out as a believer.
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SPEAKER_01: Amen.
10:14
SPEAKER_02: And what happened is the Lord just revealed himself.
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SPEAKER_02: I knew, I knew that I knew that I knew that that I was in front of Almighty God, who created me in love, and that he had been waiting for this moment.
10:29
SPEAKER_02: Uh, and so I had made the Lord an offer.
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SPEAKER_02: I said, If if you reveal yourself to me, yeah, give me the faith they have, I'll give you my life.
10:39
SPEAKER_02: Amen.
10:39
SPEAKER_02: And God said, steal.
10:44
SPEAKER_02: Because that that's exactly what happened.
10:46
SPEAKER_02: Uh, so I've never doubted ever since that point.
10:49
SPEAKER_02: And uh, in fact, he gave me more than just belief.
10:53
SPEAKER_02: He gave me a sense of faith that even in functioning as an exorcist, uh, I I have felt that.
11:01
SPEAKER_02: I've relied on that, on that gift of faith in the sense that I know the outcome already.
11:06
SPEAKER_02: Uh I I walk into a scenario knowing uh the devil's gonna be defeated.
11:11
SPEAKER_02: Uh it's a matter of when.
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SPEAKER_02: Right.
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SPEAKER_02: Uh that part I don't control, but the fact that I go in with an attitude where I know I'm talking to a loser.
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SPEAKER_02: He notices that, he feels that, and he does not appreciate that.
11:25
SPEAKER_02: That that is what consistently has been the reaction from the demon.
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SPEAKER_01: So, what led you to the ministry of exorcism, father?
11:34
SPEAKER_02: Nothing led me to it.
11:35
SPEAKER_02: If I I was assigned at a church where, as a deacon, as a transitional deacon, and um they had so many cases of possession and of severe oppression in people that when a lesser case came in, uh like a house infestation, uh, I started to be given all of those things as a way to take some of the burden off of the priests.
12:00
SPEAKER_02: And so from that point, I began doing minor exorcisms, deliverances, and then uh upon ordination of the priesthood, I I was uh placed into uh exorcism outright.
12:14
SPEAKER_02: Uh so I did that.
12:15
SPEAKER_02: Uh I've I've gone uh I've been asked by uh by the bishops of of different dioceses, their respective dioceses, to come in and do the ministry uh there in their location.
12:26
SPEAKER_02: And that most of my ministry now is with regard to that is traveling by invitation of the relevant bishop.
12:34
SPEAKER_02: But in the midst of doing what I do with with the relics of the saints, it's a it's a tough ministry to pull off.
12:40
SPEAKER_02: Right.
12:40
SPEAKER_02: So I do more actual ministry of that area in in in in a teaching aspect.
12:48
SPEAKER_02: So so I guess how I should say is more than actual exorcism ministry per se, uh I get invited now, like I am here in the Philippines to train the exorcists of the Bishop's Conference.
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SPEAKER_02: And in fact, uh there's a lot more exorcists here at the conference than just than just from the Philippine Bishops Conference.
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SPEAKER_02: It's it's from all Asia.
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SPEAKER_02: Um so there were over 300 participants at the conference.
13:13
SPEAKER_02: And so um uh this is is a way by investing a week's worth of time here, right, uh I can touch um many different areas of the church.
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SPEAKER_02: Right.
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SPEAKER_02: I mean the point of a conference is to share faith, share wisdom, share strategies.
13:33
SPEAKER_02: And so we do that with one another.
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SPEAKER_02: Or so that this year it was me, next year it'll be somebody else.
13:37
SPEAKER_02: In the midst of that, we we end up developing a core uh pocket of wisdom uh in each local church, and that benefits ultimately the people of God.
13:47
SPEAKER_02: Thanks be to God.
13:48
SPEAKER_01: And Father, uh, what is your baptism of fire uh in ministry, in exorcism deliverance ministry, father?
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SPEAKER_01: The first case?
13:57
SPEAKER_01: Yes, yes.
13:57
SPEAKER_01: Oh, god, so first exorcism?
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SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_01: Or deliverance?
14:02
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
14:02
SPEAKER_01: Or house infestation, or maybe um unforgettable um case that you handle.
14:09
SPEAKER_02: Well, one of my first cases was the case um called the disappearing eighth grader in the book.
14:15
SPEAKER_02: I hear, yeah.
14:17
SPEAKER_02: That's Lena who had um so the demon that possessed her caused it that her reflection would not show up on a mirror.
14:27
SPEAKER_02: Her image wouldn't show up on a video uh or or able to be photographed.
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SPEAKER_02: And the irony is this that if he hadn't done that, then we wouldn't know that there was a problem.
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SPEAKER_02: We would have had no idea.
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SPEAKER_02: But the fact that he did that exposed something free to natural.
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SPEAKER_02: And then that put her on a path uh to exorcism ministry.
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SPEAKER_02: Her case was the first case I had where I saw a levitation.
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SPEAKER_02: Uh so so the the levitation, um the the levitation was not kind of a floating in the air.
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SPEAKER_02: Uh in her case, what it was was her feet suddenly were glued to the floor as she was walking, and she her body began to tip.
15:09
SPEAKER_02: So she was at an angle where she was maybe only 35 degrees off the floor, which would be impossible.
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SPEAKER_02: You you couldn't sustain your body in that position.
15:19
SPEAKER_02: But and she was having uh uh a conversation in the sense of expressing stress, what's happening to me, what's happening to me.
15:26
SPEAKER_02: So the so the demon was playing with her.
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SPEAKER_02: And uh her case was uh was really tragic in the sense that the exorcism began with a psychological wound uh due to her father abandoning her.
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SPEAKER_02: And so the the wound plus the demon exacerbating the wound caused her to turn into fantasy and uh and and basically um look forward to stepping out of reality and into a fantasy that was so visceral that she then didn't know the the difference, had trouble distinguishing imagined reality from bona fide reality.
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SPEAKER_01: And Father Carlos, many people today casually call every problem a spiritual attack.
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SPEAKER_01: How do we know uh genuine demonic?
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SPEAKER_02: Well, the vast majority of the time it's not a spiritual attack because frankly, you know, the the devil has better things to do, more important things to do than to just cause a little minor attack.
16:24
SPEAKER_02: Okay.
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SPEAKER_02: You know, like the devils aren't stupid.
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SPEAKER_02: And even they have finite energy.
16:30
SPEAKER_02: They don't have infinite energy.
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SPEAKER_02: So they have to make a decision where they're going to invest their time and their effort.
16:35
SPEAKER_02: Um, all uh all to say that um, you know, bad things happen uh to people.
16:41
SPEAKER_02: Many people are also just incompetent when they do something.
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SPEAKER_02: They, you know, they they take their own incompetence or the or poor skill set at doing so or executing something poorly.
16:52
SPEAKER_02: Right.
16:52
SPEAKER_02: And I think, well, that has to be the devil one.
16:54
SPEAKER_02: Maybe not.
16:55
SPEAKER_02: Maybe it's just you just didn't do it well, you know, that kind of thing.
16:59
SPEAKER_02: Um, but I do think that people jump to conclusions.
17:02
SPEAKER_02: In particular, I've seen it where people they blame the devil for communication problems within an organization.
17:09
SPEAKER_02: Okay.
17:09
SPEAKER_02: Well, it's has nothing to do with the devil.
17:12
SPEAKER_02: You're just communicating poorly with one another.
17:14
SPEAKER_02: All right.
17:14
SPEAKER_02: So because there's a conflict or something embarrassing or something doesn't work well, doesn't mean the devil's involved.
17:20
SPEAKER_02: You're giving him way too much credit.
17:22
SPEAKER_01: So how do we know if that's genuine of other patterns.
17:27
SPEAKER_01: If it keeps happening.
17:28
SPEAKER_02: Okay.
17:28
SPEAKER_02: Uh if it if if there's a regularity that is unnatural that keeps revealing itself in a pattern happening over and over and over again.
17:39
SPEAKER_02: Uh so if you came to me, uh when if people come to me expressing, or to any exorcist for that matter, expressing, hey, you know, the I I had through, you know, this bad experience, but this bad experience, you know, is not a major one.
17:52
SPEAKER_02: It's, you know, it where I was in a situation where I it just felt like all of a sudden that there's a different entity in the room, and people with whom I'm friends or co-workers that I get along with, they're now, you know, we're we're yelling at each other.
18:04
SPEAKER_02: We're, okay, fine, all right.
18:06
SPEAKER_02: So you expend uh experience some distress.
18:09
SPEAKER_02: That happens one time.
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SPEAKER_02: Nothing.
18:10
SPEAKER_02: Who cares?
18:11
SPEAKER_02: Um, if there's a pattern and it keeps happening, what that shows is that there's a jurisdiction that the enemy has.
18:18
SPEAKER_02: The enemy has gained some rights to keep doing this over and over again.
18:22
SPEAKER_02: Because ordinarily he doesn't have those rights.
18:23
SPEAKER_02: He doesn't have that.
18:24
SPEAKER_02: He could do a vexation if the Lord permits.
18:27
SPEAKER_02: Right.
18:27
SPEAKER_02: Uh, you know, he can take a punch once or or deliver a punch once, maybe twice, but he can't keep doing that with regularity because he doesn't have jurisdiction.
18:36
SPEAKER_02: But if he does, now that's different.
18:38
SPEAKER_02: Now this gets more interesting, right?
18:40
SPEAKER_02: And that's where, okay, um, yeah, you you you need more help.
18:45
SPEAKER_02: You need help.
18:46
SPEAKER_02: You need some assistance from the church at this point.
18:49
SPEAKER_02: It's one occasion, who cares?
18:51
SPEAKER_02: You know, or or I've I've had situations where, you know, somebody comes and says, Father, you know, my cat gets sick every February.
18:59
SPEAKER_02: I know it's the devil.
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SPEAKER_02: You know, fix it.
19:04
SPEAKER_02: I have a hard time with cats.
19:06
SPEAKER_02: When I was a little kid, cats ate my birds.
19:08
SPEAKER_02: So I I um uh but anyway, I mean, the the the the point with the situation is that we don't need to look to the devil for an explanation of things that regularly happen in human life.
19:21
SPEAKER_02: We live in a fallen, broken world.
19:23
SPEAKER_02: Right.
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SPEAKER_02: We ourselves are broken, every other human being we meet is broken.
19:28
SPEAKER_02: Uh and there's you know, it's it's not unusual that that things don't work well at times, that relationships end in a sour way, that projects that somebody underperforms, and and I'm not I'm not excusing it, I'm just saying it it's it's not a satanic thing for something to go wrong just because it went wrong.
19:52
SPEAKER_02: So the what is satanic has to have the character of discernment.
19:57
SPEAKER_02: And and uh that discernment ultimately is ratified by what was the effect of prayer?
20:04
SPEAKER_02: Did prayer end something that was there?
20:06
SPEAKER_02: And if the answer is yes, well, now you have your theory, um, is probably a good one, that it was the devil.
20:13
SPEAKER_02: But if prayer doesn't do anything, then that's an indicator that that the devil is simply not involved, that it it it's just some other problem.
20:21
SPEAKER_02: You know, that maybe the partner that you have is maybe not the best partner to be doing business with.
20:27
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, makes sense, Father.
20:29
SPEAKER_01: How about in mental health problem?
20:31
SPEAKER_01: The devil could manipulate people with mental health problems.
20:34
SPEAKER_02: Because someone has a mental health problem, it doesn't mean they cannot be targeted by the devil.
20:41
SPEAKER_02: At the same time, we have to be careful that what somebody believes is being caused by the devil isn't being caused by some emotional illness or a cognitive illness, right?
20:51
SPEAKER_02: A mental illness.
20:53
SPEAKER_02: Uh so in attributing too much to it.
20:56
SPEAKER_02: So if it is a mental illness or an emotional illness, and you attribute that to the devil, you could be causing extraordinary damage onto somebody.
21:06
SPEAKER_02: Right?
21:06
SPEAKER_02: And I and I've seen that happen where someone renders it's usually thankfully a non-specialist, a non-exorcist, non-priest, uh, but someone offers his or her opinion and it's just foolish.
21:20
SPEAKER_02: It's just rooted in ignorance.
21:22
SPEAKER_02: Oh, yeah, yeah.
21:23
SPEAKER_02: You have a demon.
21:23
SPEAKER_02: You probably have two demons, and and you might even have three.
21:26
SPEAKER_02: And uh, here's what their names probably are.
21:29
SPEAKER_02: So I mean, there's all kinds of people that make pronouncements like that, yes, and they're just simply foolish.
21:35
SPEAKER_02: Uh and they're not helpful.
21:37
SPEAKER_02: What you need to render a proper diagnosis is to listen to the individual.
21:42
SPEAKER_02: What is it that's afflicting you?
21:44
SPEAKER_02: And what is it that if you could have changed that your life now, you you you would be much happier, much more content, much more at peace than what you are.
21:55
SPEAKER_02: Tell me the what exactly you would like removed from your current situation.
22:00
SPEAKER_02: Situation.
22:00
SPEAKER_02: And I let that be the guide to how I begin a diagnosis.
22:05
SPEAKER_02: I see.
22:06
SPEAKER_02: So what that means is then right from the start, we have a meeting of the minds.
22:11
SPEAKER_02: So I can I can experience reality as that person is experiencing.
22:15
SPEAKER_02: Okay, so this is the thing.
22:17
SPEAKER_02: You know, so I would like to be able to sleep in peace, not hear demonic voices or see demonic imagery in my sleep.
22:24
SPEAKER_02: I want the pictures and frames hanging on my wall to stop falling every single night.
22:30
SPEAKER_02: I I want uh to walk into my kitchen and things are as I left them last night and not completely overturned.
22:38
SPEAKER_02: So if that's happening, then that's something extra mental, right?
22:42
SPEAKER_02: It's it's not happening inside the purpose.
22:44
SPEAKER_02: Like it's in other words, if they're correct, then there's going to be external evidence outside the mind that things are wrong.
22:52
SPEAKER_02: Uh so we have a basis to work with there.
22:54
SPEAKER_02: But mental illness can often present itself as something demonic.
22:59
SPEAKER_04: Okay.
22:59
SPEAKER_02: And vice versa.
23:01
SPEAKER_02: Because the devil loves that.
23:02
SPEAKER_02: That the devil will love to couch his manifestations in something that looks like mental illness so that you send the person off to a doctor and they never get any help from the church because everyone believes it's just a medical issue.
23:17
SPEAKER_01: Father, I want to ask this again, and I don't want to get you in trouble again, but about aliens.
23:23
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
23:23
SPEAKER_02: So look, the question about aliens, I I just want to point something out.
23:27
SPEAKER_02: The phenomena of seeing aliens, seeing spacecraft, seeing UFOs, of claims of alien figures appearing to people and alien abductions occurring.
23:41
SPEAKER_02: All of that stuff started when we reached the space age.
23:46
SPEAKER_02: Oh.
23:47
SPEAKER_02: And prior to that, there were zero claims of that.
23:50
SPEAKER_02: I see.
23:52
SPEAKER_02: So there was the beginning of a new age and the close of a different age when we entered the space age.
24:00
SPEAKER_02: Right.
24:01
SPEAKER_02: So what ended was the claims of seeing fairies, leprechauns, uh, pixies, that kind of thing.
24:11
SPEAKER_02: That ended.
24:13
SPEAKER_02: And during that age, it was seeing little people and seeing elves and seeing that kind of stuff.
24:20
SPEAKER_02: It was never seeing spaceships or things flying through the air.
24:23
SPEAKER_02: This man started to develop rockets and send them into outer space.
24:28
SPEAKER_02: Boom, we entered a new way.
24:30
SPEAKER_02: This stuff ended and that stuff began.
24:33
SPEAKER_02: So that's one thing.
24:35
SPEAKER_02: Second thing is when you hear people who claim they've been abducted by aliens, their symptoms are always the same.
24:45
SPEAKER_02: Right.
24:46
SPEAKER_02: So they were approached unexpectedly when they were alone.
24:50
SPEAKER_01: Okay.
24:51
SPEAKER_02: They were their body was manipulated, especially privately, it was manipulated.
24:57
SPEAKER_02: They have gaps in their memory.
24:59
SPEAKER_02: They were rendered unconscious for part of it.
25:03
SPEAKER_02: And they're often re-obducted at some later date.
25:08
SPEAKER_02: These are exactly the symptoms of somebody who's demonically possessed.
25:11
SPEAKER_02: They're identical.
25:12
SPEAKER_01: Okay.
25:13
SPEAKER_01: So you're a Glenbeen's father.
25:15
SPEAKER_02: I I don't see any evidence of alien life.
25:19
SPEAKER_02: When you show me the videos of alleged UFO things, I have no idea what I'm looking at.
25:24
SPEAKER_02: I'm looking at a dot spinning up in the sky.
25:27
SPEAKER_02: And when that's presented on TD, it's always by some expert.
25:32
SPEAKER_02: And I have to take his word for it that this is unnatural and that this violates the laws of physics.
25:38
SPEAKER_02: I have to take it.
25:40
SPEAKER_02: So so in other words, I have to accept him as a prophet.
25:44
SPEAKER_02: I have to put my faith in him so that the video they show is never enough.
25:49
SPEAKER_02: We don't have any evidence.
25:50
SPEAKER_02: We have no bodies of an alien.
25:51
SPEAKER_02: We always hear uh these claims, oh, that they exist, and this one scientist has seen them, this other one has seen photographs.
26:00
SPEAKER_02: Show me the money.
26:01
SPEAKER_02: Where is it?
26:02
SPEAKER_02: You're asking me to believe in something that is a fairy tale.
26:07
SPEAKER_02: There's no evidence.
26:10
SPEAKER_02: Now, why is there no evidence?
26:13
SPEAKER_02: The nearest star closest to our sun is 4,000 light years away.
26:20
SPEAKER_02: The nearest.
26:21
SPEAKER_02: So if extraterrestrials wanted to travel to us, you know, they're going to be coming from someplace else.
26:30
SPEAKER_02: And if that's the nearest star, who is going to invest 4,000 years to make that journey?
26:38
SPEAKER_02: How are they ever going to accelerate their spacecraft enough to travel anywhere near the speed of light?
26:46
SPEAKER_02: So you have to build acceleration.
26:48
SPEAKER_02: Right, right.
26:49
SPEAKER_02: You need fuel to do that.
26:51
SPEAKER_02: What size of fuel tank are you going to need to make that journey?
26:55
SPEAKER_02: Not just to traverse the distance, but to get your acceleration.
26:59
SPEAKER_02: You need a lot.
27:00
SPEAKER_02: Guess what?
27:01
SPEAKER_02: The more fuel you have, the harder it is to accelerate.
27:04
SPEAKER_02: The whole notion is absurd.
27:06
SPEAKER_02: I just see no evidence of it.
27:08
SPEAKER_02: Do I believe there's aliens?
27:09
SPEAKER_02: No.
27:10
SPEAKER_02: Do I think they will ever be found?
27:11
SPEAKER_02: No.
27:12
SPEAKER_02: I have no reason to believe that they exist.
27:14
SPEAKER_02: Now, why would the devil want to do this?
27:16
SPEAKER_02: Why would he want to present the fact that extraterrestrial life may exist to cast doubt on the truth of revelation?
27:26
SPEAKER_02: Because revelation doesn't talk about any life apart from Earth.
27:30
SPEAKER_02: Right.
27:30
SPEAKER_02: So if there is some life apart from Earth, many people will think, well, that proves the Bible is wrong.
27:37
SPEAKER_02: And I have a friend, a friend of mine with whom I grew up with, a long-term friend.
27:43
SPEAKER_02: He's a convert to the faith.
27:45
SPEAKER_02: And he was baptized into the faith into his 20s.
27:48
SPEAKER_02: When he was in his late teens, he was walking in my hometown with a friend of his.
27:53
SPEAKER_02: So two guys walking together along this trail that the trail would end in a public park in the middle of the city.
27:59
SPEAKER_02: They looked up in the sky and they saw an enormous spacecraft, both of them together.
28:06
SPEAKER_02: This spacecraft was the size of six football fields.
28:10
SPEAKER_02: It was enormous.
28:12
SPEAKER_02: It was just hovering perfectly still, according to him, had lights coming off it, chutes, doors, and so forth.
28:18
SPEAKER_02: Wow.
28:18
SPEAKER_02: This massive object.
28:20
SPEAKER_02: Wow.
28:21
SPEAKER_02: And then he said they looked at one another and they looked back up at the sky.
28:25
SPEAKER_02: In other words, both were looking at the same thing.
28:28
SPEAKER_02: And then the ship went and shot with a speed like instant bullet.
28:33
SPEAKER_02: Like it didn't build up any acceleration.
28:36
SPEAKER_02: It just shot through the sky, instantly disappeared.
28:38
SPEAKER_02: He himself was the one who said, no, I didn't know him at that time.
28:44
SPEAKER_02: He told me the story after.
28:45
SPEAKER_02: But he said when he told me the story, what I believe 100% was the case was the devil did this to get me to doubt the truth of the Christian faith.
28:57
SPEAKER_02: It didn't work.
28:57
SPEAKER_02: He became a Christian and then was baptized.
28:59
SPEAKER_02: That's what he thought the intention was.
29:02
SPEAKER_02: Okay.
29:03
SPEAKER_02: And so that I think the devil is operating in that realm, attempting to cause the same result in all of these accounts.
29:11
SPEAKER_02: I mean, to me, it's folklore.
29:13
SPEAKER_02: It's there, there's nothing scientific undergirding any of these claims.
29:18
SPEAKER_02: Right.
29:19
SPEAKER_02: And if there was, I would be the first to acknowledge it.
29:22
SPEAKER_02: But but it's at the end of the day, it's absurd.
29:24
SPEAKER_02: And you're asking me, I'm a man of the Holy Spirit, I'm a man of faith, but but you're asking me to put faith in something that is absolutely nonsensical.
29:32
SPEAKER_02: And I can't do it.
29:33
SPEAKER_02: Wow.
29:34
SPEAKER_01: Thank you, Father Carlos.
29:37
SPEAKER_00: If you're aiming that stellar a psychings are strictly digging me, I watch a couple of documentaries.
29:46
SPEAKER_02: They may not be strictly demonic.
29:48
SPEAKER_02: They they might, I mean, some may be mistaken identification of something else.
29:53
SPEAKER_02: I know instances of that, where uh they they thought there was an object in the sky that had to be an alien spacecraft and it was actually a military aircraft detesting.
30:03
SPEAKER_02: So it doesn't have to be that they were all demonic.
30:06
SPEAKER_02: It just there's a non-extraterrestrial explanation for it.
30:10
SPEAKER_02: So and the devil being one of them.
30:16
SPEAKER_00: Why do you think it they chose to some of them if they are probably spiritual?
30:24
SPEAKER_00: What is your opinion?
30:26
SPEAKER_00: Why do they they chose to show up in a very highly advanced and very technological aspect?
30:36
SPEAKER_02: Like why the devil would present himself in that point?
30:38
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
30:40
SPEAKER_02: In order to cast doubt on revelation.
30:44
SPEAKER_02: Because if he can present himself as a as a species of being that is not accounted for in God's word, right, then he can cast disrepute on God's word.
30:55
SPEAKER_02: Right?
30:56
SPEAKER_02: He can he can cause a universal doubt on revelation.
31:00
SPEAKER_02: So for the devil, that's a big win.
31:03
SPEAKER_02: If you can start disbelieving in the word of God, that's a big win.
31:08
SPEAKER_02: It's a big win.
31:09
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
31:10
SPEAKER_02: So the defoder.
31:11
SPEAKER_02: Or maybe it it was a drone.
31:12
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
31:13
SPEAKER_02: Yep.
31:13
SPEAKER_02: Or a weather balloon or what have you.
31:16
SPEAKER_02: But you know, especially when when you have these theos that are put out of these flying spacecraft and and whatnot.
31:23
SPEAKER_02: And and look, even more so, we live in the age of AI today.
31:26
SPEAKER_02: You can generate a video to do anything you want.
31:28
SPEAKER_02: That's right.
31:28
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, yeah.
31:29
SPEAKER_02: So I'm too much of a man of reason to entertain something that has no evidence as possibly existing.
31:38
SPEAKER_02: And all the proofs that are offered are just absurd, grossly, grossly insufficient.
31:44
SPEAKER_01: Right.
31:44
SPEAKER_01: But what's troublesome is your president preaching that it is true.
31:49
SPEAKER_02: And, you know, uh, God bless him, uh, what has been released has not impressed me in terms of evidence.
31:55
SPEAKER_02: So uh certainly if he believes in extraterrestrial life, I don't share that belief.
32:01
SPEAKER_02: Okay.
32:01
SPEAKER_02: I simply I haven't been convinced of the evidence.
32:05
SPEAKER_02: Uh now, if it were to happen uh tomorrow that there was some indisputable evidence, well then I'll take that as it comes.
32:12
SPEAKER_02: But what you're asking me to do is equivalent in my mind to saying, what if we found a leprechaun tomorrow?
32:21
SPEAKER_02: What if we found one?
32:22
SPEAKER_02: We had it, we could examine it.
32:24
SPEAKER_02: I'd like, okay, if you did, then I guess I believe in leprechauns now.
32:29
SPEAKER_02: But until that happens, it's just as absurd to me.
32:32
SPEAKER_02: It's just as absurd.
32:34
SPEAKER_02: Because when you're talking about travel through space, you're talking about something.
32:40
SPEAKER_02: Space is so vast and the technology needed.
32:44
SPEAKER_02: So, so even if so, I mentioned the problem of traveling at the speed of light and reaching that velocity.
32:49
SPEAKER_02: Okay.
32:50
SPEAKER_02: Let's say you did somehow.
32:52
SPEAKER_02: Let's say you did.
32:54
SPEAKER_02: You start traveling at the speed of light, less than two seconds, your aircraft is going to be blown apart because of the amount of space debris that you're going to hit when you're traveling like that.
33:06
SPEAKER_02: So you can't make it anyway.
33:08
SPEAKER_02: If you can't make it in 4,000 years to Earth from wherever you are, and that's a that's a quick route, right?
33:14
SPEAKER_02: Like, I mean, that's the nearest star.
33:16
SPEAKER_02: We're just talking about absurdities now.
33:19
SPEAKER_02: We're talking about pure fantasy.
33:22
SPEAKER_02: That that's my view.
33:24
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
33:24
SPEAKER_01: And Father, what is the common entry point you see for demon influence among the youth right now?
33:29
SPEAKER_02: The the two most common ways that I see that people acquire demons, dabbling in the occult and sexual sin.
33:36
SPEAKER_02: So dabbling in the occult, why?
33:38
SPEAKER_02: People who dabble in the occult are doing so for typically one of two reasons.
33:43
SPEAKER_02: You doubt God's goodness, you doubt that he's going to be able to provide for you, right, sufficiently.
33:50
SPEAKER_02: Right.
33:50
SPEAKER_02: So you got to take matters in your own hands.
33:53
SPEAKER_02: Or you are attempting to usurp a natural limit that God has placed.
33:59
SPEAKER_02: Right.
33:59
SPEAKER_02: Right.
34:00
SPEAKER_02: So, for example, let's say I like Sally and I want Sally to be in love with me, and I don't accept the fact that she doesn't want to be in love with me.
34:10
SPEAKER_02: Well, so I'm I may go hire somebody to do a spell or a potion or that kind of thing.
34:14
SPEAKER_02: I'm trying to usurp immorally a natural limit that God has placed.
34:20
SPEAKER_02: And so, in doing these things, what you're doing, doubting God's goodness and unjustly usurping his limits, you are replicating the rebellion of Satan because those are the two things that he did at his rebellion.
34:36
SPEAKER_04: Yes.
34:36
SPEAKER_02: So it only makes sense.
34:38
SPEAKER_02: I'm Satan, you're doing the exact same thing I did.
34:41
SPEAKER_02: Well, now, welcome aboard, friend.
34:43
SPEAKER_02: Thanks for the relationship.
34:45
SPEAKER_02: The other most common sin is sexual sin and why?
34:48
SPEAKER_02: Well, our sexuality is the way by which we most resemble God.
34:54
SPEAKER_02: We participate with him in his creation, creating a new life.
35:00
SPEAKER_02: Uh, so your love between you and your wife on certain occasions has been so strong that nine months later you had to give that love a name.
35:09
SPEAKER_02: Right?
35:10
SPEAKER_02: Right.
35:11
SPEAKER_02: The devil wants to cast doubt on it, ugliness, to ridicule it.
35:17
SPEAKER_02: And the the drive that we have within ourselves, the sexual drive, is so powerful that it is by far our most powerful drive.
35:26
SPEAKER_02: People will give up food for to fulfill to try to fulfill that.
35:30
SPEAKER_02: Right.
35:30
SPEAKER_02: Uh, they'll give up money, et cetera, et cetera.
35:33
SPEAKER_02: So it's an easily manipulable thing.
35:36
SPEAKER_02: It's a favored target of the enemy.
35:39
SPEAKER_02: And because of that, it's one of the most common doorways.
35:43
SPEAKER_02: So those two things are by far the most common.
35:46
SPEAKER_02: If we were to uh to eliminate those, we would not need even 10% of the exorcists that we have.
35:52
SPEAKER_02: Like our lives would be so much easier if we were to get rid of those two.
35:56
SPEAKER_04: Wow.
35:57
SPEAKER_02: So what I want for Christmas is for those two sins to end.
36:02
SPEAKER_01: If you can get me that, I'll be so grateful.
36:04
SPEAKER_01: Yes.
36:05
SPEAKER_01: And Father Carlos, you've you have faced public accusation and legal challenges related to your ministry.
36:12
SPEAKER_01: So what is your spiritual uh reflection about this, Father?
36:16
SPEAKER_02: You know, if you're gonna set out to do anything good, then you need to be ready to be opposed.
36:24
SPEAKER_02: You need to be ready to be challenged, you need to be ready to be fought against, to be accused, and so forth.
36:30
SPEAKER_02: So many in ministry have faced that unjustly.
36:34
SPEAKER_02: Uh, some have faced it justly, but the one whom I follow was the greatest man ever in history.
36:41
SPEAKER_02: Now he was a man who was also God, but he was the greatest human being who ever lived.
36:47
SPEAKER_02: And they put him on a cross.
36:49
SPEAKER_02: And so if if they did that to him, then what can I expect?
36:54
SPEAKER_02: Right.
36:55
SPEAKER_02: And that puts things in perspective.
36:57
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
36:58
SPEAKER_01: So actually it it it happened, Father, after you released this book.
37:02
SPEAKER_01: Right.
37:03
SPEAKER_02: Uh it happened, it happened the day after the book shipped.
37:06
SPEAKER_02: Oh wow.
37:07
SPEAKER_02: It happened the day after.
37:08
SPEAKER_02: Oh.
37:09
SPEAKER_02: So so this and even even my book agent uh was attacked the same week in his own home uh in terms of uh uh there was just uh a crazy unexplained flooding that happened.
37:23
SPEAKER_02: His home was destroyed.
37:24
SPEAKER_02: It wasn't just damaged, it it was it was destroyed.
37:27
SPEAKER_02: The home had to be rebuilt after um so he he was out almost a year uh out of his home.
37:33
SPEAKER_02: And so uh that uh the the the devil uh what what he communicated in no uncertain terms is that he really didn't appreciate this book.
37:44
SPEAKER_02: It was a retaliation, Father?
37:46
SPEAKER_02: Um it would have all the character of that.
37:48
SPEAKER_02: It would have all the character of that, and that's that's what I believe it is.
37:51
SPEAKER_01: But what is the worst retaliation you experience?
37:54
SPEAKER_02: I I would say this is this is up there.
37:58
SPEAKER_02: This is up there.
37:59
SPEAKER_02: I mean, certainly, I mean I've encountered, I've been attacked in an exorcism numerous times.
38:04
SPEAKER_02: Um there was only one time where I was seriously hurt, uh where I needed surgery following.
38:12
SPEAKER_02: Um but it's never been the the all others have just been flesh wounds, you know, bruises and relatively minor cuts and a couple bites.
38:23
SPEAKER_02: Uh but that's about it.
38:24
SPEAKER_01: You troubled the word with first class relics.
38:26
SPEAKER_01: So have you personally witnessed a moment where relics produced a dramatic spiritual effect that no amount of preaching or counseling could achieve?
38:35
SPEAKER_01: Oh, sure.
38:36
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
38:36
SPEAKER_02: So so the the ministry with relics is a he is a healing ministry, relics healed.
38:42
SPEAKER_02: So so scripture is replete with references to that, right?
38:45
SPEAKER_02: Handkerchiefs that that Paul touched, they were placed on the sick, they were healed.
38:49
SPEAKER_02: Uh, people who touched the the fringe of Christ's garment, they were healed, and so forth.
38:54
SPEAKER_02: So what but but the the ministry, as a healing ministry, many times that healing is a spiritual healing they've received, and there's a physiological effect that goes with it.
39:06
SPEAKER_02: In other words, it was caused by evil.
39:08
SPEAKER_02: Oh now, there is such a thing of physical disease, biological illness, biological disease.
39:15
SPEAKER_02: I am not attributing every illness and sickness to the devil, not at all.
39:19
SPEAKER_02: But sometimes you have a liberation that somebody undergoes, and and it often happens in the presence of relics.
39:27
SPEAKER_02: The church fathers are very clear about this, that I, you know, that that you know, that that relics cause the demons to howl.
39:34
SPEAKER_02: You know, see St.
39:36
SPEAKER_02: Ambrose uh attributed not just uh as evidence of the of the truth of of of uh devotion to relics, that they cause demons to to howl and scream, but the fact that they brought about their expulsion from the victim, right?
39:50
SPEAKER_02: They they accomplished a work in and of themselves.
39:54
SPEAKER_02: So I'm not denying any of that.
39:57
SPEAKER_02: Uh I'm not denying the fact that that relics have this exorcistic effect, but sometimes our illnesses are rooted in conjunction with that demonic relationship that is there.
40:11
SPEAKER_02: I've never had it myself, but I have colleagues, um, exorcist colleagues who uh have have brought about an exorcism from someone, brought about a complete liberation.
40:21
SPEAKER_02: And in one of them, uh, she had a tumor in her brain.
40:25
SPEAKER_02: The tumor was gone at the end of that.
40:27
SPEAKER_02: So, in other words, that was an expression of the presence of the devil, but it tested in every way as a known type of cancer.
40:38
SPEAKER_02: So she was receiving treatment for it, and that treatment was not having an effect on it when she went for exorcism ministry, which was completely unrelated to that.
40:48
SPEAKER_02: In other words, they we only knew that that was caused by the demonic when there was a complete, total, and lasting healing when the demon left her.
41:00
SPEAKER_02: Uh so what I see at expositions uh is people experiencing physical healings, but also experiencing physical, um spiritual healings.
41:10
SPEAKER_02: And what you know, one of the common ways with which that comes up that in which I see that is with children.
41:17
SPEAKER_02: So I lay out relics on tables.
41:20
SPEAKER_02: Yes.
41:21
SPEAKER_02: I bring tablecloths, I cover the tables, the the church or the venue provides the tables.
41:26
SPEAKER_02: I I bring tablecloths, they get laid out, the nice gold reliquares get put on top.
41:32
SPEAKER_02: I always have extra tablecloths.
41:33
SPEAKER_02: Why?
41:34
SPEAKER_02: You'll have a family come in and one of their little kids, and this happens often enough that I pack these extra tablecloths.
41:42
SPEAKER_02: They'll approach the first table with relics and they'll vomit all over the table.
41:46
SPEAKER_02: Oh.
41:48
SPEAKER_02: So at first, uh, you know, I just thought, oh gosh, little kid was sick.
41:53
SPEAKER_02: When it started happening regularly, I started to think.
41:56
SPEAKER_02: And then, you know, I began talking with some of the families.
42:00
SPEAKER_02: And and when this happens now, what I say to mom and dad is, oh, you know, don't worry about the tablecloth.
42:07
SPEAKER_02: I got extras, we'll put it on.
42:08
SPEAKER_02: I've said this happens.
42:09
SPEAKER_02: And so, but I turned to them privately and I say, Whatever you have going on in your life, that's not good.
42:14
SPEAKER_02: Get rid of it.
42:15
SPEAKER_02: Because what you're doing is causing that evil to cling to your kids.
42:19
SPEAKER_02: All right.
42:19
SPEAKER_02: So that kid of yours just got a deliverance, and that's what it was.
42:24
SPEAKER_02: So you need to do your business with God.
42:27
SPEAKER_02: Wow.
42:27
SPEAKER_02: Thank you for sharing the father.
42:29
SPEAKER_02: Wow.
42:29
SPEAKER_02: And I've seen people manifest.
42:32
SPEAKER_02: Uh so and and I've seen the building manifest.
42:36
SPEAKER_02: Oh.
42:36
SPEAKER_02: Where where with the presence of the relic, there's an invisible battle happening.
42:40
SPEAKER_02: So the demon itself is occupying the building.
42:44
SPEAKER_04: Uh-huh.
42:44
SPEAKER_02: And and such that there's a manifestation.
42:48
SPEAKER_02: I remember one church, a closet door was shaking the next morning.
42:51
SPEAKER_02: So the relic stayed in the building all night.
42:53
SPEAKER_02: You know, we all went to bed in the rectory.
42:55
SPEAKER_02: So we had the exposition.
42:57
SPEAKER_02: We went to bed, the relic stayed all night, and then the next morning, I'm going to drive off to the next location.
43:02
SPEAKER_02: Well, the pastor calls me, uh, there's a door of violently shaking, and there's nothing inside that that closet.
43:08
SPEAKER_02: Uh there, I mean, it's it, it was, it was a uh an expression of distress.
43:14
SPEAKER_02: And it was a distress that the demon was revealing its presence, not because he wanted, but because he's been damaged.
43:23
SPEAKER_02: And this is now an expression of his wounding.
43:28
SPEAKER_02: So he just now needs to be dispatched.
43:30
SPEAKER_02: So they called in the diocesan exorcist, and he exercised the building, and it was gone.
43:34
SPEAKER_02: And the last thing, as he was completing the prayer, there was a loud clap against a window, and that was it.
43:40
SPEAKER_02: Wow.
43:40
SPEAKER_02: All the manifestations stopped after.
43:42
SPEAKER_02: Wow.
43:43
SPEAKER_02: So so here we were.
43:45
SPEAKER_02: The pastor and I, I mean, he he was in his room sleeping.
43:48
SPEAKER_02: I was in the guest room sleeping, and none of us knew that there was an incredible battle happening in the in the building next door.
43:54
SPEAKER_02: That the relics were laid out in their school, and that was happening.
43:58
SPEAKER_02: So in the morning, all we had to do was Just do a minor cleanup because the demon's back, so to speak, was already broken.
44:05
SPEAKER_01: And you co-host the exorcist files with a protestant.
44:08
SPEAKER_01: Yes.
44:08
SPEAKER_01: So what has the collab collaboration taught you about spiritual warfare?
44:14
SPEAKER_02: So Ryan Bethea is my co-host.
44:17
SPEAKER_02: Uh he's a delight to work with.
44:19
SPEAKER_02: Uh, Ryan is a really sincere Christian.
44:22
SPEAKER_02: Uh, he has a profound love for God.
44:25
SPEAKER_02: Uh, the the idea for the show was his.
44:28
SPEAKER_02: Uh the the uh I mean, I have to hand it to him uh for that creative end.
44:32
SPEAKER_02: And he's the one that knew how to execute it, put it on.
44:36
SPEAKER_02: I mean, my job is is to provide my stories and to provide some theological analysis uh of those cases and maybe other cases if we have a guest exorcist on sharing one of his stories.
44:48
SPEAKER_02: So so the show really is it's not about me.
44:52
SPEAKER_02: It doesn't need to be about me.
44:54
SPEAKER_02: It the the point of the podcast is to educate people about the truth of our faith.
45:00
SPEAKER_02: Right.
45:00
SPEAKER_02: And the way today that I thought is is it's how to reach people, in particular young people, because that that was really my target audience, uh, was to put on a good production of a podcast.
45:14
SPEAKER_02: You know, everybody today listens to podcasts, but especially young people, right, uh to give a to have a really high-quality production that talks about this reality.
45:25
SPEAKER_02: And if I were to just give lectures, most of them wouldn't tune in to me.
45:30
SPEAKER_02: But because there is some production value to it, there's some uh it's it's uh, I mean, if you can speak this way, it's entertaining.
45:38
SPEAKER_02: And it's not uh it's it's not boring to listen to, is the way I put it.
45:43
SPEAKER_02: They they tune in and it's had a profound effect.
45:46
SPEAKER_02: Like one of the, gosh, one of one of my the best pieces of of mail that I've received uh was from a female police officer in Germany.
45:56
SPEAKER_02: So she wrote to me and she said, I am the exact opposite of what you are ideologically.
46:03
SPEAKER_02: She said, I am an atheist lesbian who lives with her partner.
46:08
SPEAKER_02: Wow.
46:09
SPEAKER_02: And your podcast has given me the categories and the wherewithal to be able to interpret what I see in a coherent way.
46:22
SPEAKER_02: She said, then, I don't know what I believe anymore.
46:27
SPEAKER_02: But please keep doing what you're doing.
46:30
SPEAKER_02: And so there it is, right?
46:32
SPEAKER_02: She so all I did was I just presented the truth.
46:35
SPEAKER_02: And, you know, the truth, as they say, is like a lion.
46:38
SPEAKER_02: Uh you don't have to defend it, turn it loose, it will defend itself.
46:42
SPEAKER_02: Uh, and so people then um encounter these bona fide um actual cases, and they either have to, uh, you know, they they they are confronted with the fact.
46:54
SPEAKER_02: And and uh I'm not a liar.
46:56
SPEAKER_02: Uh now uh people who tune in, they for the first time, they may not know anything about me.
47:01
SPEAKER_02: Uh, but I am a Catholic priest, I have a public profile, uh, I am an exorcist, I have been invited into dioceses.
47:09
SPEAKER_02: And uh, if if if I'm lying, then I'm pulling off one heck of a big production in this.
47:16
SPEAKER_02: Uh, but there are others with whom I've worked that also vouch, that are also on the show.
47:21
SPEAKER_02: And at a certain point, it starts to become uncanny that could all of these people be exercising a great big joke on people?
47:30
SPEAKER_02: And and you have to answer that.
47:32
SPEAKER_02: At a certain point, the probability of that becomes um, well, a miracle in and of itself.
47:39
SPEAKER_02: If if it's if it's if uh the the the preponderance of it demands so much credulity that um anyway, a lot of them were pre-recorded.
47:49
SPEAKER_02: Uh uh, so you know, we we have to exhaust the bank.
47:52
SPEAKER_02: And then by the time all of the ordeal ended, uh we were already able to go back into production.
47:59
SPEAKER_02: But people have been extraordinarily supportive.
48:02
SPEAKER_02: Uh people it, you know, I I I never imagined it would be this popular.
48:07
SPEAKER_02: I mean, I knew it wouldn't be ignored, but I never imagined it would have this level of popularity with, you know, I don't, I think we're around 60 million downloads uh for the wow uh for the case files.
48:21
SPEAKER_02: Wow, wow, wow.
48:22
SPEAKER_02: Who would have thought?
48:23
SPEAKER_02: Wow.
48:24
SPEAKER_02: Not me.
48:24
SPEAKER_01: 60 million sold.
48:26
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, it's it's um and and people, you know, all over the world, uh the feedback comes in from everywhere.
48:34
SPEAKER_02: And I mean, there was one young lady in Iran.
48:38
SPEAKER_02: You're right.
48:39
SPEAKER_02: So she says, like, I I'm I'm a Christian now, and uh this is one of the only resources that I'm able to get because she's not able uh to you know freely access stuff on the internet.
48:51
SPEAKER_02: Well, you know, right, they they struggle with internet access right now, but she can get these episodes.
48:56
SPEAKER_02: I don't I don't know how she can, but she was able to.
48:58
SPEAKER_02: Well, and uh even I think the way that she communicated uh was via a friend who was in a different country and who had access and typed the message.
49:10
SPEAKER_02: But so for her, this was a way, and it was the only way for her to be in communion with others in the church.
49:17
SPEAKER_02: She it within her community, she had no one.
49:19
SPEAKER_01: And Father, we have some question from uh our viewers here.
49:23
SPEAKER_01: Father Martins, many of your listeners appreciate that you focus not only in possession itself, but on the demonic mind and how demons patiently lay the groundwork for months or even years.
49:34
SPEAKER_01: Can you explain this gradual process more deeply?
49:38
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
49:39
SPEAKER_02: So so the devil the demons have different personalities.
49:43
SPEAKER_02: Uh, some of them are more patient than others, absolutely.
49:47
SPEAKER_02: Uh, but there are demons with extraordinary patience.
49:51
SPEAKER_02: And you have to remember that demons live outside of space and time.
49:55
SPEAKER_02: You and I, we experience time.
49:58
SPEAKER_02: They don't.
49:59
SPEAKER_02: Okay.
50:00
SPEAKER_02: And we don't have, we we can't even imagine that because we're hardwired to experience reality through time.
50:08
SPEAKER_02: We to experience temporal endurance.
50:12
SPEAKER_02: They don't have that.
50:14
SPEAKER_02: So uh nevertheless, their natures are broken.
50:18
SPEAKER_02: So why aren't all of them patient?
50:20
SPEAKER_02: Because their own demonic natures prevent them.
50:22
SPEAKER_02: But some of them are not as broken as others in that area.
50:26
SPEAKER_02: Okay.
50:26
SPEAKER_02: So they are prepared to invest consummate patience and to for the sake of securing a solid hold, being very, very slow, very determined, even though sometimes, if they're too slow, they lose the gains they've had.
50:44
SPEAKER_02: Because, well, you encounter the Lord, or you're all of a sudden come to a compunction about having sin on your soul, and you go deal with it and you renew your discipleship with the Lord, or you become a disciple for the first time, boom, that demon has just lost all his investment in you.
51:00
SPEAKER_02: Right.
51:01
SPEAKER_02: But if they can make it, go slowly, patiently crafting a plan in such a way that you are slowly losing your freedom, but you're not perceiving that you are.
51:13
SPEAKER_02: And then so all of a sudden, uh one day you find yourself not free where others are free.
51:19
SPEAKER_02: And so now they begin to exercise a demonic ministry in you that that will ultimately lead to a clash at the very least between you and the demon, where you realize that I am, I am now not who I was.
51:35
SPEAKER_02: I don't have the freedom that other people have and that I used to have in the past.
51:39
SPEAKER_02: And and then you have to make a decision what to do about that.
51:43
SPEAKER_02: And for some of us, we would know exactly what to do.
51:46
SPEAKER_02: You know, we we go to the church.
51:48
SPEAKER_02: That's what the church is there for.
51:50
SPEAKER_02: But many people in the world, most people in the world, they don't know what to do about it.
51:54
SPEAKER_04: Right.
51:54
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
51:55
SPEAKER_02: And that's where it gets that's where it gets scary.
51:58
SPEAKER_01: And you often say one sincere, heartfelt, and serious confession is worth more than a thousand exorcism session.
52:06
SPEAKER_01: Absolutely.
52:07
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
52:07
SPEAKER_02: So so the the sacraments, the seven sacraments, are these seven ways Jesus Christ left to heal the world.
52:15
SPEAKER_02: So the church can dispense no bigger grace than to dispense a sacrament.
52:20
SPEAKER_02: And everything else, like our exorcism ministry is done only for the sake of getting the individual to the sacraments.
52:29
SPEAKER_02: Because the sacraments are that lived dynamism between a human and the God that has adopted him as his son or daughter.
52:38
SPEAKER_02: Uh, so that gives us the very life, the sacraments give us the very life of God.
52:45
SPEAKER_04: Right?
52:45
SPEAKER_02: So that that to me is is is my favorite definition of grace.
52:49
SPEAKER_02: What is grace?
52:50
SPEAKER_02: The life of God.
52:51
SPEAKER_01: Amen.
52:52
SPEAKER_02: Right.
52:52
SPEAKER_02: So he dispenses that through the sacraments, and in so doing, he that that eats up, tears up, burns up all these other false relationships that you have because the presence of God Himself is in you now.
53:07
SPEAKER_02: And he's doing work within you.
53:10
SPEAKER_02: Uh so, so yeah, exorcism is uh is is a great and needed ministry.
53:16
SPEAKER_02: But most people that come for exorcism ministry, what they really need is a good confession and and and turn away from sin.
53:25
SPEAKER_02: And if they did that, if they would experience the healing power of the sacrament, it's not just the notion of forgiving sins, the presence of Jesus Christ comes into you.
53:38
SPEAKER_02: That has such a value, such a salvific value, such such an experiential value that if they were, if they were to just ex taste that, it would be life-changing for me.
53:50
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
53:51
SPEAKER_02: Aside from the fact that their that their afflictions would end.
53:54
SPEAKER_02: Right.
53:55
SPEAKER_02: But the just the taste of grace, the taste of love that comes through a sacrament.
54:00
SPEAKER_01: Right.
54:00
SPEAKER_01: Uh, it will lessen your workload if people realize it, Father.
54:04
SPEAKER_01: Oh, absolutely.
54:05
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, just one good confession.
54:07
SPEAKER_01: Absolutely.
54:08
SPEAKER_01: Everything will be all okay.
54:09
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
54:09
SPEAKER_02: And many people that come for the ministry think that what we do as exorcists is we practice some kind of Christian magic on them.
54:17
SPEAKER_02: So we we in Filipino albulario, like that.
54:21
SPEAKER_02: Right.
54:21
SPEAKER_02: Albulario, exactly.
54:22
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
54:22
SPEAKER_02: Or curandero in Mexico.
54:24
SPEAKER_02: There's this notion that we practice some kind of Christian magic that is able to overpower the bad stuff.
54:32
SPEAKER_02: Right.
54:32
SPEAKER_02: We don't practice magic.
54:34
SPEAKER_02: Our skill set is forging a relationship with Christ and cutting off a relationship with something that you should have no relationship.
54:42
SPEAKER_02: That's it.
54:43
SPEAKER_02: For you to get healing, you have to undergo that process with us of making this happen.
54:48
SPEAKER_02: And it's a two-part.
54:49
SPEAKER_02: If you don't engage in it, there's nothing we can do to help you.
54:53
SPEAKER_02: Right?
54:53
SPEAKER_02: There's no magic that we can reach for and speak it over you, pour it over you.
54:59
SPEAKER_02: That that is gonna set you free.
55:01
SPEAKER_01: Right.
55:02
SPEAKER_01: Yes.
55:04
SPEAKER_01: And Father, there are many pages and individuals asking for donation in exchange for relics, and some attached relics to rosary for a price.
55:13
SPEAKER_01: What is the church's positions on this practice?
55:16
SPEAKER_01: And what advice do you give to Catholics who want authentic relics?
55:20
SPEAKER_01: Right.
55:20
SPEAKER_02: So look, uh canon 1170 is very clear.
55:24
SPEAKER_02: It says it's absolutely forbidden to sell sacred relics.
55:28
SPEAKER_02: And the verb it uses is nefas.
55:32
SPEAKER_02: It is nefarious.
55:33
SPEAKER_02: Oh it is never permitted for any reason.
55:37
SPEAKER_02: That verb uh is not only used in the code, I believe it it's used two other times, and both in relation to the dignity of the sacraments.
55:46
SPEAKER_02: The it's it is naifas to break the seal of the confessional and to desecrate the Eucharist.
55:54
SPEAKER_02: What the code is saying is that this is such a gravely sinful thing, you should you must never even think about it.
56:02
SPEAKER_02: When a seller is attaching a relic onto something.
56:07
SPEAKER_02: So, first of all, I don't believe it's an authentic relic anyway.
56:11
SPEAKER_02: Okay.
56:11
SPEAKER_02: I think it's a manipulation.
56:13
SPEAKER_02: Okay.
56:13
SPEAKER_02: The very fact that this is what you're advertising is already gravely sinful because you're misleading people.
56:19
SPEAKER_02: But if it is a relic, it is gravely sinful because you're violating Canon 1190.
56:25
SPEAKER_02: There's going to be a price to pay for that.
56:28
SPEAKER_02: Right?
56:28
SPEAKER_02: And and whatever you get in terms of your your monetary gain, is it really worth the price of your soul?
56:34
SPEAKER_02: You know, our Lord said, you know, what does it matter if a man gain the whole world but lose his soul?
56:41
SPEAKER_02: Right.
56:42
SPEAKER_02: But the money for selling a rosary with a relic attached to them, it's even less.
56:48
SPEAKER_01: Another question.
56:49
SPEAKER_01: Can he or she still be freed from generational curses through assurance for years?
56:54
SPEAKER_02: You may not know your family background.
56:57
SPEAKER_02: God knows it.
56:58
SPEAKER_02: He knows exactly where the healing is needed.
57:01
SPEAKER_02: Right?
57:01
SPEAKER_02: So that's the petition you make.
57:03
SPEAKER_02: Lord, wherever it's needed, I give you permission, I ask you, keep doing that.
57:08
SPEAKER_02: I keep wherever, wherever that grace is needed.
57:11
SPEAKER_02: I forgive all my ancestors going all the way back to my first parents, Adam and Eve, for whatever wounds may be present in my family line.
57:18
SPEAKER_02: I ask you, Lord, in your goodness now, take your finger, touch each and every wound.
57:22
SPEAKER_02: Right?
57:23
SPEAKER_02: I I thank you for my mother, I thank you for my father.
57:26
SPEAKER_02: I may not know who they are, but you know who they are.
57:29
SPEAKER_02: And they cooperated with you in bringing me about.
57:32
SPEAKER_02: No matter what those circumstances are, I ask you to bless them, Lord, pour out your life upon them, pour out your grace upon them.
57:40
SPEAKER_02: And Lord, bring about a healing of my family life.
57:44
SPEAKER_02: Uh, for not because I deserve it, but because out of your goodness, out of graciousness.
57:50
SPEAKER_02: And there's a great prayer that you can keep doing.
57:53
SPEAKER_02: And at a certain point, undertake that same prayer, but for someone else.
57:58
SPEAKER_02: Maybe someone you don't even know.
58:00
SPEAKER_02: Just say, Lord, whoever the whoever needs this out here, I'm I'm undergoing a bit of sacrificial prayer for someone.
58:07
SPEAKER_02: You apply it right now to whoever needs it.
58:09
SPEAKER_02: Wow.
58:10
SPEAKER_02: Now that's a great Christian act to do.
58:12
SPEAKER_02: That's a great generous act to do.
58:15
SPEAKER_02: Wow.
58:15
SPEAKER_02: And the Lord likes that type of prayer.
58:19
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
58:19
SPEAKER_02: He likes that that thinking of, gosh, we we belong to a family.
58:25
SPEAKER_02: We belong to a to a human family where everybody needs the grace of God.
58:31
SPEAKER_02: And some people have no one to teach them to get it.
58:34
SPEAKER_02: So, Lord, I'm undertaking this right now to somebody.
58:37
SPEAKER_02: Apply it mystically, apply the benefits to that person.
58:40
SPEAKER_02: Wow.
58:41
SPEAKER_01: Thank you for sharing that, Father.
58:43
SPEAKER_01: And can you recommend prayers to renown unholy soul ties from premarital sex?
58:48
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
58:49
SPEAKER_02: So so again, assuming that there has been a sacramental confession, so that the guilt has been removed and that the grace of God is present, then you using your own words.
59:01
SPEAKER_02: What is the reality that you want to happen?
59:03
SPEAKER_02: You want those soul ties to be broken?
59:04
SPEAKER_02: Lord, I want those soul ties to be broken.
59:07
SPEAKER_02: So uh this person who whom I had an illicit relationship with, I bless them now in your name, Lord, in the sense I ask you to pour out your grace upon each and every person.
59:18
SPEAKER_02: I repent of my sins with each and every one of them.
59:22
SPEAKER_02: And Lord, I in your name sever any bonds, ties, links that I still have to any of them.
59:30
SPEAKER_02: So I give each and every one of them back what I took from them, and I claim back from them everything I surrendered.
59:37
SPEAKER_02: I ask you, Lord, to do to bring forth a greater good.
59:42
SPEAKER_02: And allow my prayer now to be a benefit not only to me, but to each and every one of them.
59:49
SPEAKER_02: Bring it about that one day we are all in your kingdom together.
59:53
SPEAKER_04: Amen.
59:53
SPEAKER_01: Amen.
59:55
SPEAKER_01: And is it possible to conduct an exorcism or deliverance for an entire city?
1:00:00
SPEAKER_01: So you can totally do that.
1:00:01
SPEAKER_02: I mean, uh, in the sense of if the local bishop grants that permission and authority, uh, you know, look, as the church, you know, the the entire universe is our jurisdiction.
1:00:12
SPEAKER_02: Right.
1:00:13
SPEAKER_02: That was what was given to Peter.
1:00:14
SPEAKER_02: Whatever you bind, I will replicate that in heaven.
1:00:17
SPEAKER_02: Uh and so that authority is dispensed by the will of the church to its bishops.
1:00:23
SPEAKER_02: Uh, and the bishops can delegate that authority uh to an individual, or the bishop uh may exercise that authority himself.
1:00:31
SPEAKER_02: But uh, but I think it's a great thing to do.
1:00:34
SPEAKER_02: And I've been with bishops when they've done that.
1:00:36
SPEAKER_02: And I've been with bishops when they've used a relic, an extraordinary relic.
1:00:40
SPEAKER_02: Uh, when I was on the tour with St.
1:00:41
SPEAKER_02: Jude, for example, uh, more than one bishop said, I'm I'm blessing my whole diocese here.
1:00:46
SPEAKER_02: And I I'm I'm asking the Lord to conduct a deliverance here in a special way through the visit uh of this holy apostle, the remains of Saint Jude, first cousin of Jesus Christ.
1:00:58
SPEAKER_02: Uh, I ask for any and all evil to be eradicated from this diocese now.
1:01:03
SPEAKER_02: And he went to the door of his cathedral facing the outside and just invoked that exorcism and blessing.
1:01:11
SPEAKER_02: It's beautiful to see.
1:01:12
SPEAKER_01: Wow.
1:01:13
SPEAKER_01: Are there demons associated with micromanagement or excessive control?
1:01:18
SPEAKER_02: There can be demons associated with any and every dysfunction.
1:01:21
SPEAKER_02: So we don't have, the church has never catalogued demons based on specific demonic ministry that they do or specific demonic uh characters that that they would exhibit.
1:01:37
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
1:01:37
SPEAKER_02: Why?
1:01:38
SPEAKER_02: Because a demon is very plex reality in his personality.
1:01:44
SPEAKER_04: Okay.
1:01:44
SPEAKER_02: He's whatever we think, the amount of knowledge we can accumulate about a demon, it's never going to reach the end.
1:01:52
SPEAKER_02: And they can change their personalities and do change.
1:01:55
SPEAKER_02: So so I was asked a question today, for example, that's yes, all of them.
1:02:00
SPEAKER_02: It's not the case that you discover one demon who says his name is X, and then you you can assemble a catalog.
1:02:07
SPEAKER_02: Okay, anytime you hear the name Axe, this is a demon associated with homosexuality and with making crops rot in the fields and with making the basement of your home flood.
1:02:18
SPEAKER_02: It just doesn't work like that.
1:02:19
SPEAKER_02: Okay.
1:02:20
SPEAKER_02: Or it just it it and if it did, we would have that after 2,000 years in the church.
1:02:25
SPEAKER_02: But demons have such a radical ability to change their personality and such that even if you come up with a situation, I've been in this way before, in the in this situation, you come in and you encounter a demon with the same name as one that you've encountered previously.
1:02:41
SPEAKER_02: And he says, I was the one in there, Mrs.
1:02:44
SPEAKER_02: Shephaps.
1:02:46
SPEAKER_02: Remember, we met two years ago in June?
1:02:48
SPEAKER_02: I that goes in one ear of mine and out the other.
1:02:52
SPEAKER_02: If he gets me to believe that, and that's only for his advantage.
1:02:57
SPEAKER_02: It's not for mine.
1:02:58
SPEAKER_02: He he's not telling me that because he thinks it's going to help me.
1:03:02
SPEAKER_02: I pay no regard and I treat each and every demon as a specific isolated entity.
1:03:08
SPEAKER_02: Uh, and so I begin with square one.
1:03:11
SPEAKER_02: Uh, and and in that way, you you avoid falling into any pit and getting into any trouble based on uh errant belief that you've accepted.
1:03:22
SPEAKER_01: And what books would you recommend for your young adults who want to understand the reality of spiritual battle?
1:03:28
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, that one right there.
1:03:30
SPEAKER_02: I've heard so much about it.
1:03:31
SPEAKER_02: I I think it's a great book.
1:03:33
unknown: Yeah.
1:03:33
SPEAKER_02: The author is also great.
1:03:35
SPEAKER_02: The reason why I wrote this book is because the existing books on spiritual warfare out there, Exorcism, Deliverance, The Devil, so forth, I didn't find any of them really satisfying in the in the sense that I I thought, um, well, there were there were essentially three problems.
1:03:54
SPEAKER_02: Um, one was many books are out there being marketed about all of the above, spiritual warfare, exorcism, and so forth, but they're written by people that have no experience, zero.
1:04:07
SPEAKER_02: Lay folks, and there's a tremendous amount of them now writing about experiences that are not their own.
1:04:13
SPEAKER_02: So they've picked content up on the internet or they're regurgitating old stories.
1:04:18
SPEAKER_02: That's one type.
1:04:19
SPEAKER_02: Another type is somebody is writing a book on the demonic within scripture, and that's lovely, like it's great, but it it's that's not a book on exorcist.
1:04:30
SPEAKER_02: That's a book that that's scriptural exegesis, right?
1:04:34
SPEAKER_02: And that and that that's a lovely thing, but it's not forming on exorcism.
1:04:39
SPEAKER_02: Then the third type was books written by actual exorcists about actual exorcism.
1:04:46
SPEAKER_02: So I'm you know, Father Amorth and and company, but even with Father Amorth, I read the books and none of them formed me as an exorcist.
1:04:58
SPEAKER_02: None of them taught me to think exorcistically.
1:05:02
SPEAKER_02: They were all divided into topics like curses, witchcraft, and so forth.
1:05:08
SPEAKER_02: But what I wanted is look, I want to educate people on how to identify what the demonic is.
1:05:14
SPEAKER_02: I I want to write a book that will help people not get into relationships that are going to harm them.
1:05:22
SPEAKER_02: So the way I thought to do this was, well, I'll share some of my case studies.
1:05:27
SPEAKER_02: So each chapter, the first half of each chapter is a case study.
1:05:32
SPEAKER_02: So you're with me from the time that I first receive a phone call from somebody alerting me that there's a problem as I discern whether this is a bona fide problem or not at a spiritual level.
1:05:44
SPEAKER_02: You're with me as I begin to catechize the person.
1:05:48
SPEAKER_02: You're with me as I begin to pray with the person.
1:05:51
SPEAKER_02: You're with me as I confront the demon, such that by the end of the story, you've received the full account from start to finish.
1:06:00
SPEAKER_02: The second half of the chapter, I explain what happened theologically.
1:06:05
SPEAKER_02: Why did I do this instead of that?
1:06:07
SPEAKER_02: Such that by the end of the 11th chapter, you've heard 11 different cases.
1:06:12
SPEAKER_02: So you've got to be an exorcist shoulder to shoulder with me.
1:06:16
SPEAKER_02: So that I think to me, this is a more effective way to teach about the devil and the demonic because it's incarnate within an actual case.
1:06:25
SPEAKER_01: Thank you, Father.
1:06:26
SPEAKER_01: And why you love being Catholic?
1:06:28
SPEAKER_01: Because it's the truth.
1:06:30
SPEAKER_01: It's a way for me to love Jesus back.
1:06:32
SPEAKER_01: Oh.
1:06:33
SPEAKER_01: Thank you, Father.
1:06:34
SPEAKER_01: And how can our viewers follow the the your work, The Exorcist Files, or support the treasures of the church?
1:06:41
SPEAKER_01: Sure.
1:06:42
SPEAKER_02: Well, The Exorcist Files is available free wherever you get your podcasts.
1:06:46
SPEAKER_02: The production, the show, is catechetical in nature and it's meant to form people.
1:06:52
SPEAKER_02: So yeah, I would encourage people to do that.
1:06:54
SPEAKER_02: You want to learn more about the nuts and bolts, uh, I would encourage you to buy the book and learn about the craft.
1:07:01
SPEAKER_02: And then if you've decided to do that, pass the book on to others.
1:07:06
SPEAKER_02: Or tell your friends, let's all get a copy.
1:07:10
SPEAKER_02: Let's read this together and talk about it.
1:07:13
SPEAKER_02: And that takes everything I've written and it raises up its effectiveness because then we can learn from one another.
1:07:22
SPEAKER_02: Um, and I think you'll find everything that much more edifying.
1:07:27
SPEAKER_02: I think you'll find the experience that much more formative.
1:07:30
SPEAKER_02: And if you choose to buy the book, good gosh, leave a review of it because uh that's the algorithms and it it puts the book uh out there.
1:07:40
SPEAKER_02: And and you know, that the my favorite feedback is from people who have no faith whatsoever.
1:07:45
SPEAKER_02: And they saw this on their Amazon account being advertised, or they saw this somewhere, they bought it, and then they, you know, they write me and they say, This really affected my faith.
1:07:54
SPEAKER_02: I mean, one person uh wrote to me after reading the book the following year, he entered the church at Easter, and then the year after, his entire family did.
1:08:03
SPEAKER_02: So his wife, his children, and his mother and father.
1:08:07
SPEAKER_02: Praise God.
1:08:07
SPEAKER_02: Uh so what more could you ask for?
1:08:10
SPEAKER_01: So so spread the word.
1:08:12
SPEAKER_01: One one more soul at a time.
1:08:14
SPEAKER_01: Amen.
1:08:15
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
1:08:15
SPEAKER_01: Uh there's a a nice question here, Father.
1:08:18
SPEAKER_01: Father, here in the Philippines, young people are getting involved of collecting relics, lying just to get relics, and forging letters signed by priests.
1:08:27
SPEAKER_01: You have a big problem here in the Philippines, abusing relics, even sex trade.
1:08:32
SPEAKER_01: What is your message to this kind of people?
1:08:35
SPEAKER_01: Even people who are doing everything, even donating a lot of money to postulators and monasteries just to have relics.
1:08:43
SPEAKER_01: They disguise us we are we were saving relics.
1:08:46
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
1:08:47
SPEAKER_02: So authentic sacred relics are a treasure.
1:08:51
SPEAKER_02: They're the church's treasure.
1:08:54
SPEAKER_02: And they have a value just in virtue of being connected to a saint.
1:09:01
SPEAKER_02: That's objective.
1:09:02
SPEAKER_02: Is objective will call us to being judged.
1:09:05
SPEAKER_02: Our actions, the way we choose to get these things, the the line, everything you mentioned, using manipulation in order to acquire them.
1:09:13
SPEAKER_02: What you're saying is you don't deserve a relic because you're viewing this as something that it is never meant to be.
1:09:21
SPEAKER_02: You have a superstitious attitude by which you're approaching this.
1:09:26
SPEAKER_02: The relics aren't going to avail you at all.
1:09:29
SPEAKER_02: So start with a relationship with Christ and pursue that.
1:09:33
SPEAKER_02: Pursue your holiness.
1:09:34
SPEAKER_02: We can be either through our human brokenness or actually through the demonic.
1:09:38
SPEAKER_02: Be convinced that more is better when we start accumulating spiritual goods.
1:09:44
SPEAKER_02: This is why the church forbids priests, unless there's a pastoral necessity from celebrating more than one Mass a day.
1:09:52
SPEAKER_02: All right.
1:09:52
SPEAKER_02: So so when I'm alone, I'm on vacation, I celebrate Mass every single day.
1:09:56
SPEAKER_02: Uh I celebrate Mass every day of my life, but uh I don't celebrate two.
1:10:01
SPEAKER_02: I don't celebrate three.
1:10:03
SPEAKER_02: The church says one is enough.
1:10:06
SPEAKER_02: Otherwise, we start approaching grace with this attitude of emulation, which is simply an expression of greed.
1:10:15
SPEAKER_02: Right?
1:10:15
SPEAKER_02: We think we're better more is better.
1:10:17
SPEAKER_02: More is not necessarily better when it comes to the spiritual obedience to the church, obedience to Christ.
1:10:24
SPEAKER_02: That's what good is.
1:10:26
SPEAKER_01: That's what we need to do.
1:10:28
SPEAKER_01: Thank you, Father.
1:10:29
SPEAKER_01: And what can we pray for you regarding your ministry?
1:10:32
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, just uh my goodness, uh, I'd be so grateful if you would pray uh that I continue to be able to do God's will, whatever that will is.
1:10:40
SPEAKER_02: But I'll give you a special intention.
1:10:43
SPEAKER_02: My godson Henry has stage four cancer, and he's just been rushed to the hospital.
1:10:50
SPEAKER_02: Um, his colon is perforated.
1:10:53
SPEAKER_02: He's going through a really, really rough time.
1:10:56
SPEAKER_02: His name is Henry.
1:10:57
SPEAKER_02: I would be so grateful if he would pray for.
1:11:01
SPEAKER_02: Of course for a father.
1:11:02
SPEAKER_02: He has two very, very young children.
1:11:04
SPEAKER_02: Uh, it's just heartbreaking.
1:11:06
SPEAKER_02: Uh, I'm praying for him constantly.
1:11:09
SPEAKER_02: Henry is 35 years old.
1:11:12
SPEAKER_02: Uh, his children are all quite young.
1:11:14
SPEAKER_02: I would just be grateful if you'd lift him up and pray.
1:11:17
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
1:11:18
SPEAKER_01: Be with Father.
1:11:19
SPEAKER_01: Thank you.
1:11:19
SPEAKER_01: Thank you, Father.
1:11:21
SPEAKER_01: And what a pleasure, honor to have you, Father Carlos Martin Sisi.
1:11:25
SPEAKER_01: And uh I'm blessed speaking to you.
1:11:28
SPEAKER_01: Well, I'm I'm I'm more blessed.
1:11:30
SPEAKER_02: I can't believe I'm in the presence of the world famous Adrian Millet.
1:11:35
SPEAKER_02: No.
1:11:35
SPEAKER_02: Yes.
1:11:36
SPEAKER_02: You're the world famous Carlos Martin Father.
1:11:39
SPEAKER_02: I can't, I can't believe I'm in the presence of this famous podcaster.
1:11:43
SPEAKER_02: So you do great work, I affirm it.
1:11:45
SPEAKER_02: Keep doing it.
1:11:46
SPEAKER_02: It's uh this is exactly the kind of thing that people with your level of talent should be doing.
1:11:53
SPEAKER_02: Uh, this is a way in which we can connect as church worldwide.
1:11:57
SPEAKER_02: This is a way in which people can find out about the church uh worldwide, wherever they are.
1:12:01
SPEAKER_02: So I commend you for what you do.
1:12:03
SPEAKER_01: Thank you, Father.
1:12:04
SPEAKER_01: And please do always pray for me in my family.
1:12:07
SPEAKER_01: You got it.
1:12:08
SPEAKER_01: And Father, could you give us a posting prayer and a blessing?
1:12:11
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
1:12:11
SPEAKER_02: So Almighty God, I ask you to pour out your grace upon Adrian and his family and all of the listeners and viewers worldwide, upon their families, upon their friends, and all those whom they love.
1:12:22
SPEAKER_02: Uh Lord, I ask you to be with us, send your angels and saints to protect us and keep the enemy far away from us.
1:12:28
SPEAKER_02: The Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit.
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SPEAKER_04: Amen.
1:12:32
SPEAKER_01: Thank you so much, Father Carlos Martin and thank you, Father.