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Peter Edition · Deprogrammed Music Podcast

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So this episode, you know, without without getting into the
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sad reality of it, you know, Randy put it a good way when he
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kind of was memorializing them in the the discord chat, like
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hang his jersey in the rafters. And I know, you know, sports
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ball. What's a sports ball, But I feel
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like this is kind of what we're doing here.
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We lost a deprogrammed great. And I mean, it's obviously more
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than the pod, but he was a huge part of our community and the
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community kind of was like a lot of the people that are are here
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today are here through the pod and knew Peter through the pod.
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And and really music was really just a central part of of
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Peter's life. And if, if you knew Peter,
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whether we were doing the pot or not, it was music conversations
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like we would just we'd be, we'd be dragging dead bodies from the
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chain train, right, Jenny and just be talking about whatever
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fucking music we're listening to that week.
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Like it was just, it was just such a central part to to Peter.
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Yeah, I think a lot of what I knew about him was about like
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his music and movies and TV preferences and that sort of
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thing. I don't know how many playlists
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we used to make together. We used to have a like a
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Facebook group where we'd come up with a theme and then just
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add a bunch of songs to it. And for whatever reason, I went
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and cleaned a bunch of those out.
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And so as soon, as soon as I found out he passed, I like
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panicked and went through like dug a bunch of those up and like
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made sure I took screenshots, you know, to, to kind of
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preserve all that because it was such a huge part of, of all the
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things that we would talk about. And, you know, we've made like
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fantasy playlist for TV shows and movies and stuff like, oh,
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this could have been part of the soundtrack.
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This could have been part of the soundtrack, you know, So it's, I
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don't know, It's, it's crazy. Yeah.
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I'm still in denial, I think. Yeah, just a little bit.
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For sure. I mean, it's not because it's
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not easy to get that phone call. And I mean, if I'm being honest,
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it's not easy to make that phone call either after getting the
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phone call, but like. Trust me, I know.
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Yeah, right. Like you had to make one as
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well. And it's just it's not something
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you ever think you're going to have to do.
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I mean, it, it does. It brings up a lot of questions,
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but like, I don't know, man. Like it it this is this is the
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thing that I've been wrestling with a lot since finding out is
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knowing Peter the way I did. Like he would have been upset.
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The fact that we took three days to record the next pod because
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because he passed like, you know, like I, I mean, I couldn't
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have done it that Friday. Like that was a no brainer.
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Like that's not happening. But like, he would have wanted
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us to just continue and he would want us to be fucking around
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like, exactly like he would want us like, you know, tying it to
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like playing video games with him like he was Leroy Jenkins.
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Like it would always be that like, he would just go balls
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deep in and they'd be like, OK, well, I guess that's the that's
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the route. That's what we're doing.
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And, you know, just fucking do it.
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Pussies. Like get up, stopping.
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That the Shia LaBeouf. Shia LaBeouf just.
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Do it Yes, exactly that yes, just do it.
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And you know, in that regard, he still is continuing to bring
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light into this world because here we are, you know, getting
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to talk about our friend in a glowing manner because he, he
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brought, he did, he brought so much light to, to this
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community. And I, I wanted to pass it to
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John here real quick because like John has been on God knows
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how many episodes of deprogrammed and you, you did
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the math and you went and looked over and it was only like 8
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episodes, you said. Yeah, 88 proper episodes plus
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the championship editions, which count for, you know, I've each
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probably. But you know what you were
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saying? It's like, yeah, like he's gone,
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which is still hard to say, like so young, but there's hundreds
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of hours of him talking about this thing that he loves on this
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podcast. And that's like, that's a really
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like, not to be fired, but that's like a beautiful special
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thing. And like, people can go back and
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listen and you can hear how like passionate he was about these
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songs and these bands. And yeah, I mean, like, I was, I
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was surprised that it was was only 8 plus the other two,
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because I would have thought it would have been a lot more like
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he was on the the very first episode of Deprogram that I
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listened to the Pearl Jam episode to it that you guys did
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back all of, you know, 10 years ago.
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That was he was one of the first voices I I heard on this
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podcast. So I always, you know,
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associated him with, and I listened to a lot of his
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episodes back when I was first listening and, you know, it was
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he always like struck me as someone like who he would, he
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could talk about anything, like he would do any band.
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Like if someone put up something, he'd be like, yeah,
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I'll do that. You know, he, he was, he had
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like such an open mind and such like a curious mind towards
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music and like, that's something I always like admired about him.
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Also hanging out in the chat. Anderson, you just came aboard
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to the show last year. I see you're muted.
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There you go. But your short time with the
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show was mostly with Peter, if I if I recall correctly.
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I mean, probably half of your episodes were with him.
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Surprisingly, I only had one and it was my first one.
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OK. Yeah, I.
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Think correctly. Yeah, he did sponge with me.
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We're going to do Everett Clear and he had to back out last day,
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and that's OK. Yeah, I wanted to hop in, being
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that I'm still fairly new to all of this.
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Yeah, I can talk more of as a fan of the show than someone
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who's been my friend for a lot of years because I didn't know
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him all that well, but I've listened to him for hours upon
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hours since then. It was on the first episode I
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listened to as well. And yeah, it was Peter and Jenny
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and some guy Jenny knows Got or something.
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And I remember listening to it and like, the whole thing was
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just hot take after hot take. You guys were doing one of my
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favorite bands and I was getting really upset about it because
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you kept missing, like song after song that I loved.
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And like, you got to the end. And there was one in particular
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that was missing. And Peter was the last to go and
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it was his last dump out. He was just.
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Oh yeah. And Big Dipper.
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It was the Cracker episode and, you know, just that throw away
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#20 pick is the reason why I watched another episode.
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Whatever. Fantastic.
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Yeah. So yeah.
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And it, it goes to the show that.
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Yeah, it's not always the big sounds.
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It's the little things that I'll really draw a person in.
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Peter was a master of that. He was on so many of so many
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bands I love, so many bands that I wouldn't associate with bands
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I love. This guy was he did Ozzy, he did
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Miley Cyrus, he did Dre. Yep.
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And I mean, he would have done them all on the same week.
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Yeah, Yeah, yeah. That's what John's, you know, to
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to tack on to that. Yeah, he was always.
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And I think this is a good time to bring it up since we're there
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hilariously and and probably a deprogrammed once and only time.
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We did Edwin Collins. It was Jenny, Peter and myself.
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And we're all like, yeah, that that one song is pretty good.
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And we went and listened to it and we all three of us, it was a
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discovery for all three of us. And we all came away with, well,
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yeah, that one song is pretty good.
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Oh God, we're all trying so hard to just fucking be nice.
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Just not shit on this guy completely.
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But because it wasn't, it wasn't terrible, it just wasn't good.
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Yeah, I think in hindsight, like it just didn't hit any any of
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our, like it didn't scratch an itch for that.
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It's wild that it didn't scratch an itch for any of the three of
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us. Like you would think something
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would have found any of the three of us and we're all pretty
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open minded, but it didn't, it didn't do the trick at all.
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And again, like, none of it was bad.
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It just and I, I feel like we we kept hammering that point home.
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And you know, Peter's just like, yeah, this guy's, he's not bad.
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It's just just this one song is good. 46 and two indeed.
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OK, I'm going to stop right now. I'm going to stop.
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And for for the record, before we move on, A Girl Like You is
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the the name of the song, the Edwin Collins song that that
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coincides if you listen to the playlist.
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Yeah, yeah. So I think that's when we
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discovered that for discovery, somebody needs to have listened
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to more than just one song before we put it on the panel.
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And you know, it's never going to be me, especially not now.
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But yeah, it it. I mean, again, you discover
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things as as you go. And Peter was always willing to
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discover. And he was always like we did
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space hog at the, like drop of a hat.
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And I don't think he had heard anything but the one record.
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And like we, we turned it around in like 3 days or something and
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he was just, he jumped up and it's like, yeah man, I'll do
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that. And it was like, all right,
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cool, here we go, let's do Space Hog.
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And I mean, not dissimilar. No man, that's not right.
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Because that first record is really good.
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I don't remember much from the Chinese album, but but the first
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record is really good. Resident Alien.
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But no, he was just down. Is that I guess the best way to
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put it? I think the best example of that
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I think may have been his first ever episode on the pod back in
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like 2016. I was scheduled to be on with, I
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want to say Taylor Tyler, something like that on Faith No
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More. And he backed out.
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The other guy backed out like literally the last minute.
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This was back when you're recording in the studio
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clubhouse at Matt's place. Yeah.
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And, And you wanted everybody to be, like, in person as much as
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possible. You had the Skype machine.
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You got people in sometimes. But it was very like, you need
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to be here at 9:00 PM on the dot.
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We're going to record. There was no like scheduling
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conflicts or whatever, like, you know, like you have now.
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Yeah. It was just Thursdays at 9:00
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PM. And so the third person backed
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out at like, I want to say it was like 7:30 PM.
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And I messaged Brian and, you know, he's like, no, I got to
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work, whatever. And I, I texted Peter and I was
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like, hey, can you do this? And he's like, sure.
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So literally within like an hour and a half, he put together his
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20 songs and did the show just literally at the fucking drop of
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a hat. And I'm really glad he did
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because he was, you know, I, I was fairly new to the band and
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he had been with them for quite a number of years.
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And you were like really new. So, you know, we had a good
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spread of like, new to, you know, seasoned listeners.
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And I think he put on some songs that really needed to be there
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that our dumb asses would have missed you.
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Know he always he never had a problem fighting for the songs
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that needed to be. He didn't always win, especially
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like as I got stubborn and kind of started learning the game,
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but like he was never one to like again, referencing the
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playlist. One of the first songs I put on
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here was Soul meets Body by Death Cab for Cutie, And the
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reason I I put that on there is the exasperated sigh I got from
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him when I told him, no, I don't have that song.
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He was like, what? Are you kidding me?
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I was like, yeah, I don't have it.
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I mean, again, you know, I've, it's, it's funny, like the, the
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juxtaposition of like faith. No, more like you're talking
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about. It's, it's just my ignorance and
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not knowing. And then something like soul
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meets body is more like me trying to way over correct, like
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knowing too much. And, you know, now I'm more in
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the middle and I I could understand a song like that
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being part of the conversation, but when I when he could not, he
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was just in shock that that I did not bring soul meets body to
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the conversation at all. And I think I didn't concede on
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it. I don't think it made our list.
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I think. I think when we came back
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around, I was like, yeah, I think we can do without it, as
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I'm famous for. Doing wow yeah, I.
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Know very famous for that do you have do you have like a song
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choice story John like with with.
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Peter yeah, it's they're both from the championship editions,
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the Radiohead and R.E.M. that we did.
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And it's a little bit of the opposite where is like he and I
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were on a team fighting for these songs and we got shot down
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ultimately, but we were like the underdog team together.
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And like, you know, he's he's from Florida, I'm in Georgia.
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So we kind of have this geographical US against the
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world thing that we did and like the Radiohead one especially, I
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think he and I were the only like pod regulars on that one.
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That was the rest of them were from the from the Radiohead pod
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and pretty much new to the to the format.
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And it got to I don't remember if it was the finals.
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I think it was. And my favorite Radiohead song
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is let Down. And he was with me on this and
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we were fighting for it. And I remember when it got
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eventually, when it didn't make the the final list.
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I just remember like he and I just both going like, oh, come
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on. Like, and you know that that's
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been vindicated a little bit. I will say because it's that
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song has become like a TikTok hit, I guess.
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And like they, when they finally played some shows last year,
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they played it almost every night.
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But that's one that I remember. And then in the R.E.M.
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Championship edition, I think one of the albums that I was
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came out early that I was fighting for was New Adventures
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in hi-fi and he was with me on that.
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We both were kind of fighting for those songs.
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And be Mine was one that I remember too, that we I think we
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both had it. We might have even been the only
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ones that had it in the finals, but that was one.
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I remember him saying that that one hurt a lot and it it did as
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well. It was it's always, I remember
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specifically with the Radiohead one, like the after comic,
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because we didn't record like an after the fact or anything, but
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like we're trying to set up, you know, Hey, when's the next one?
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You know, what are we going to do next?
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And like, I was trying to gauge whether I could hook, you know,
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the Radiohead pod into coming to do the show.
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But I I remember like it's funny, like Peter was never
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afraid to like, you know, fight for his songs, but he was pretty
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reserved. Like it would he would really
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only speak up like if he really, you know, had something to add.
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But like when we were done, like I think he goes, I cannot
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believe let down. Like he you, you could like he
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went straight for that. And like, we're all just kind of
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laughing about it afterwards and you know, like, that is a big
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part. Of well, you were laughing.
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I was not laughing. Oh yeah, I laugh at all of those
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championship editions because I'm not involved.
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So it's. It's just wait, you're going to
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get your chance. It's.
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Pretty great not being involved in those.
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But like, yeah, like it just I, you know, to that point, though,
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like those that after the facts, like after the pods, like so
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again, sometimes he would be so reserved on the episode and
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you'd you'd really have to kind of like reach out and really
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like make sure you're engaging Peter to to keep him involved
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unless he had something to say. But like the second we'd hop
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over to the after the fact. Nah, man, like he was, he'd hop
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right in and he'd have things to say and we'd have these
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interesting conversations about I mean, let's be real Green Day
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Weezer. Like those are the repeating
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conversations that we have. I know you only did the one with
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him, Anderson, but was there like I don't recall there being?
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I feel like it was pretty easy going on that episode, wasn't
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it? Yeah, it wasn't bad.
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Peter was so reassuring at the end because that was the one
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where we put our dog to sleep about an hour before we
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recorded. That's right.
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And I was increasingly drunk as it went along.
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And when we wrapped the episode, Peter's like, no, you did great.
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You, you seem like you belong here.
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And I'm like, that's a very nice lie.
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You told me that. I've forgotten about that.
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And I mean, to be fair to us, like I, you insisted because you
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felt like you you needed it. But like, yeah, again, Peter.
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Was yeah, well, yeah, I identify with a guy and, you know, we got
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a show to do. Let's do the show.
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Yeah, Yeah. I think if he was in that spot
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he probably would have recorded too.
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Yeah, Speaking of Peter not speaking up, or so I also put on
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the list Guns N' Roses Paradise City, which is infamous, is
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infamous and pod lore history again, Peter was it was there
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for a lot of history on this pod.
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And this is an instance we talked about ad nauseam.
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It's I don't know that it's ever necessarily come up on the pod.
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It's come up on many after the fact.
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Some people were introduced to the pod through that episode and
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stayed aboard because of that episode.
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A lot of people say that's their favorite one.
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But I'll I'll say this again because this is going to go to
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the main feed. I felt bad for Peter that
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episode because it was myself, Alfredo Torres and Bob France in
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one room for the first time in like 4 or five years.
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And anybody who knows the history there knows that we did
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radio together. And so like, it's the three of
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us getting right back to making radio on the pod like
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immediately. And poor Peter is on the Skype
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machine across the room from us. And so like, we're just going at
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it and like, you know, every again, that's one of those ones
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where like, I would have to be like, look at the guys and be
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like, OK, we need to stop. Let's get Peter involved.
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And then like, you know, if there was no stopping, there's
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no stopping Bob Fresh and Fredo when when they get going.
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But like. 3 minutes later you would say let's stop and get
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Peter involved. Yeah, exactly.
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And then and then the the episode is closing.
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I'm literally wrapping it up and Peter unfortunately has to sit
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there for another 45 minutes while Bob is going to bat for
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Paradise City, which had gone into the bin.
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It's like, I can't believe this is happening.
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And he's like, I can't believe that Paradise City isn't on this
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list. And again, it's one of those
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ones where, like, yeah, I would probably do it differently now.
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But like, at the time, I was just trying to play by the rules
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and and move on to the next thing.
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Poor Peter. I know, right?
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Oh yeah, there's Big Dipper. So Otto put on Will Woods, the
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main character, and I wanted to point that out because again,
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you talk about Peter just being Will, you know, willing to just
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jump on anything. But he put that one out and like
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he go like he put it into the chat.
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I feel like we turn it around in like a week and a half and he
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goes, this is the kind of music it is.
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And like I went to listen to a song and we were both like,
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yeah, this is auto. Like this is auto all over.
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And like it, it's of course, like a 1000% in auto.
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He's an auto performer. Like it it if you know Chris
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Auto at all, imagine what Chris Otto listens to and you will get
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what will what is because it's right on point.
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But yeah, it like he was always bringing stuff like that to the
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table. Just I, I got to explore so many
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different bands because either Peter was willing to put it up
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and like again, Anderson mentioned Doctor Dre.
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We we covered Doctor Dre because Peter was like, you want to do
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this? I was like, yeah, sure, let's do
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it. And he also now this was a John
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band that Peter actually knew discount, right?
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Is that the one? Yeah, it was one of the ones
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that I think it, it might have even been the first big list
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that I sent you when I first started doing the show.
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I sent you like a list of 150 bands, like I want to do all
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these. And Discount was on that list.
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And like, if people don't know they're not, they're not a a
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famous band by any means. But Discount is Allison from The
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Kills, her high school band, basically punk band that you
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started. She started.
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And they're from Vero Beach in Florida, which is close to where
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Peter was. And so he sees a listen.
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He's like, oh, dude, I, I, I know the guitar player.
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I could probably get him on the show.
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And I was like, what? OK, cool.
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Like, I, I love that band. We have this like, we, we
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realized that we had this like common history of like these
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like DIY kind of punk bands, me and Georgia, him in Florida.
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So we a lot of this, we saw a lot of the same bands and we
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knew a lot of the same people. So yeah, that was awesome
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getting like getting to do Discount and then he got Ryan
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from Discount, the guitar player to come on in and talk to us and
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now remember that forever. It was so cool.
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Yeah, that was, again, I hesitate to sell anybody on the
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dollar for after the fact in the Patreon, but like that's where
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those conversations happen. And he we got to talk to him
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about the 10. Like we we bounced our list off
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it, which I mean we've only done like 4 * 5 times at this point.
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It's just cool that that just out of nowhere, Peter's like, Oh
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yeah, I know that guy. It's like, oh, cool.
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I guess, I guess we. Think they'd gone to high school
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together or something? Yeah.
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Crazy, yeah. I'd be remiss if we didn't talk
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about Sparks Jenny again, talk about talk about a band that you
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know Peter was just willing to jump in on.
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And I don't know who put it's this town ain't big enough for
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both of us on here. Featuring Faith No More
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apartment choice. Yeah, I, I put that up because
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it was such an odd choice. And, and I think it goes to like
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how persuasive Peter could be sometimes in the final round
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when you're picking the songs for the 10.
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And, you know, I, I really wanted to put this talent big
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enough for the both of the original 1.
27:23
And then he was like, no, I think if you've heard a spark
27:26
song, you've heard this, you've heard the original 1 and it kind
27:29
of works better as a duo, like as or like as a duet.
27:33
So let's put that one instead. And I was like, OK, sure, that
27:36
makes sense. And I'm like, we didn't put like
27:39
their, I mean, it's kind of arguable because like a lot of
27:43
people don't even know who the band is, but they didn't put
27:47
like their their big hit, you know?
27:51
And it just kind of crazy that we, we end up going with like
27:54
this alternate version, which the album in general, like a lot
27:58
of people don't really like because they were covering
28:00
themselves. And it was kind of a it was not
28:05
a very well liked Sparks album by Sparks fans.
28:08
But you know, it was, it was a ballsy move of us to do that.
28:12
And it was because of Peter. And, and honestly, he's one of
28:16
the, I think he is the reason that that I listen to them.
28:21
You know, like sometimes you just put on Spotify, you put on
28:24
daily daily mix or you put on like discover weekly or
28:28
something like that. And it just picks a bunch of
28:30
random shit that it thinks you're going to like.
28:32
And you may or may not even be paying attention to it, but like
28:38
out of the blue, one day I get a message from Peter and he's
28:40
like, hey, I saw that you were listening to Sparks.
28:45
They just came out with a new album.
28:46
I think you'd really like it. And I was like, who the fuck is
28:49
Sparks? And I look back at look back at
28:54
my listen, listening history. And sure enough, like it was in
28:57
like last FM. And so I was like, OK, I'll give
28:59
it a I'll give it a try. And, you know, listen to it and
29:03
it just immediately fell in love.
29:04
Like, you know, he, he knows what kind of music I like and he
29:09
completely pegged it. And I did.
29:11
We turned that that one around like really quickly.
29:15
It feels like for considering how many songs they have and,
29:22
you know, the fact that this band has been around for 50
29:25
years, we had to figure out how to frame it and, and put the
29:28
show out. You know, if it was 2020, what
29:31
the fuck else were you doing? Also true, also true.
29:35
I mean it it should be noted like this would be a good place
29:38
to like mention Dick around too, because we all we all agreed on
29:47
that song and you know, it didn't do well at at the best of
29:51
that year. But like, I feel like it's
29:56
because as opposed to viewing it as like Sparks, like it was
30:01
really just our anthem and like it really became an anthem for
30:08
the four of us specifically, like yourself, me, Peter and
30:13
Chris. And and whenever we were playing
30:17
any game, we would get tired of doing the game and be like, all
30:22
right, time to Dick around. And then inevitably that song
30:25
will come up because of course, all we do now is Dick around.
30:30
So yeah, I, I feel like it, it's it, it's worth mentioning, but
30:35
I, I saw the Sparks song on there.
30:37
I was like, well, let's not double up Sparks, Gavin.
30:42
Put on kind of kind of similar to that there was one that I was
30:46
oh, sorry. No, you're fine.
30:49
You're fine. OK, there was there was one that
30:54
I was really looking forward to doing with him and he just
30:58
randomly posted in the in the discord, he's like, hey, there's
31:01
this band, They're gutting a body of water.
31:04
And like, I've never heard of this band before.
31:07
And he was like, does anybody wanna do them?
31:09
So I checked it out and like this band is great.
31:12
Like they cover a Fugazi song on their album.
31:15
And I was like, yeah, they sound like Clint.
31:18
And like he was like, yeah, they've been compared to that.
31:20
And like, yeah, he just discovered.
31:22
He was still like, he just discovered this random band and
31:25
like, I was, yeah, I was really looking forward to doing it with
31:29
him. And it's it's the same kind of
31:32
thing. Like I'm still going to listen
31:34
to this band. Like, that's something that he
31:36
found and turned me on to. Like, that's that's hard to do.
31:40
And like, it's something that not everybody can do.
31:42
But yeah, there's, there's still like, you know, Justin, we had
31:47
the, you know, you saw what I did on the spreadsheet that we
31:52
have of all the bands and stuff. So it'll be cool to to still
31:57
like he's still going to be part of the show because you're still
31:59
going to do these bands that he would have been on and we'll
32:02
still get to get to talk about it.
32:06
I wanted to point out because it's since you brought up like
32:10
just the idea of discovery. Discovery, there was the John F
32:14
we did 1 John F sessions and one of the bands on that was the
32:19
Rentals. And I remember that because that
32:22
was Peter and I I put Friends of P on this list because I
32:27
remember that being like his introduction.
32:31
And I mean, you know, yeah, it's kind of if you knew who the
32:34
Rentals were, that's probably the song, you know, But I
32:37
remember him, you know, having a, a story about Friends of P
32:42
and, you know, he kind of related it to himself because
32:45
his name was Peter. And again, yes, you put them on
32:51
on the on the list, but Peter's excitement is kind of what gets
32:59
me to come back to the rentals, if that makes sense.
33:03
And that song specifically, because it was Friends of P, if
33:07
you're friends with our friend Peter, then you're friends with
33:10
me. And I always kind of kind of was
33:12
drawn to that. I always, I always thought,
33:14
thought of Peter with that song. Yeah.
33:16
Nice all right, a couple more I want to cover here.
33:24
Did I put black metallic by Catherine will on there?
33:29
I can't remember if I did that, but that was one of his last
33:33
episodes. So if if I did that would be why
33:36
I? Actually just thought of a song
33:38
that I didn't add to the list and he wasn't on the panel, but
33:42
I have a story about it. I can add it right now.
33:45
So just to make it official, way back in the day, like probably
33:50
some of the first episodes that we did, I was on the blur
33:55
episode and he had never been on the show.
33:59
And I tell him about it and I say here's the top ten list that
34:02
we came up with. And he's like, what?
34:04
No park life? This entire list is invalid.
34:10
And I was like, listen, you don't understand what this is
34:13
like. Yeah, like you you haven't done
34:15
the show. You don't know, like the the
34:17
wheel in a deal in that goes on at the end, you know, like he
34:19
had not experienced that. And he's like, I'm just saying,
34:25
how can you have a top ten list of blur and not have park life?
34:28
I'm like, I'm, I'm fucking telling you, dude.
34:30
Like it? It just didn't happen.
34:32
I don't know what to say. He was arguing with me about a
34:36
song that he wasn't even, he wasn't even on the panel.
34:39
So I feel like I need to go back and add that one just for him.
34:43
He finally made the list. Yeah, for sure.
34:46
You're welcome, Peter. I think Brian, somebody added
34:53
time by Pink Floyd, I mean. I that was me.
34:58
No. OK.
34:59
Did you have a reason it just? Reminds me the way about it.
35:05
I'm if you have a favorite Pink Floyd song, there's always a
35:11
reason behind it. And it was one of the few times
35:15
where he was very excited to make his first round pick.
35:20
And the line that he went to was, oh, I haven't written down
35:27
here one second. Yeah.
35:34
And then one day you find 10 years of gap behind you and he
35:38
said it just hit him like a ton of bricks.
35:42
And here we are a year later and I think it's hitting us all like
35:47
a ton of bricks. Yeah, yeah.
35:50
For sure. Yeah, I mean, I had a
35:58
complicated history with that episode, so some of that stuff
36:03
kind of got blocked. Out of blocked out of my.
36:05
Head but Gavin added the Beavis of Butt Head theme and I thought
36:13
that was great because he both Peter and I would there be these
36:18
episodes and there's times where John will present a band and
36:21
we'll be chatting and, you know, trying to figure out, you know,
36:25
and John will ask me, hey, you know, do you know anything about
36:28
this band? And I'll be like, I saw him on
36:30
Beavis and Butt Head. And I feel like often times like
36:34
Peter and I would have that same conversation with each other of
36:37
yeah, I remember seeing it on Beavis and Butt Head.
36:40
And I remember like Peter would, you know, do his butt head
36:46
impression. And almost every time it would
36:50
trip me up because then I would then it would get me going.
36:53
Stuart wets the bed dinner and just we would all fucking lose
37:00
it because I couldn't. I would just get stuck in a loop
37:04
And it all it was all because Peter had he always liked to say
37:09
that he's just naturally sounded like butt head.
37:11
But if he would put on the butt head just like a little bit more
37:15
like it was, it would crack us up.
37:20
Yeah, I think it's accurate to say he sounds just like Mike
37:22
Judge. Yes.
37:24
Because he would do sounds just like butt head if he just tries
37:27
a little a little bit. Yeah, and I mean, you know, he
37:30
would do all those like I feel like in Bell and Dubs one one of
37:33
the seasons we wrote Tom Anderson type character, he did
37:37
that voice too. Yes, yeah.
37:43
Oh God, let's see, we already talked about Faith No More.
37:50
Was Brian the one who put Candlebox on or did you
37:52
Anderson? That must have been Brian.
37:57
I only put those two songs on. OK.
38:01
But Candlebox was definitely Peter like the last like 2024
38:08
and 2025. Like he kind of got onto that
38:11
panel of like these. Let's revisit these 90s, for
38:16
lack of a better term, one hit wonders and let's revisit them
38:19
and let's give them, you know, the time of day like live
38:23
Candlebox Bush. This is Gavin Rossdale from
38:27
Bush, like all those bands, like he was going forever going to
38:33
bat for for these bands. All right, this one's going to
38:42
be really hard to say and I'm giving everybody like a heads up
38:46
on what's coming. The episode will already be out
38:52
by the time this hits feeds. I'm giving everybody a heads up
38:57
that this will be on next year's best of.
38:59
I won't hear any arguments against it like so.
39:05
The playlist opens up with Foxy Shazam's O Lord and yes, it is
39:11
an A stellar song. It's a great choice for Foxy
39:15
Shazam if you know the band. But Foxy Shazam is Peter's last
39:24
episode and we're we're recording this the day before it
39:33
comes out and it's going to hit feeds.
39:40
And this song had to be there because he also just loved it.
39:48
Like I, I had this conversation with him about this band just a
39:58
couple days before I found out. I miss my friend.
40:09
Yeah, I was gonna when we did the best of and talk about
40:16
failure at the end, like it got like, that's when it like,
40:22
'cause we had I like I just found out a little bit before we
40:25
did that. And it was like, like I had to
40:28
mute my microphone at the end when you were talking like it.
40:31
That's when I, like was real. And it's gonna be, yeah, I can
40:40
imagine. Yeah, that episode, I probably,
40:43
I mean, I'll probably wait a little bit before I listen to
40:45
that episode. Like, it's just gonna be too
40:47
raw. Like I tried listening to the
40:49
Catherine Wheel one last week and I had to, I had to turn it
40:52
off like this. I just couldn't deal with it
40:55
right then. Yeah, it was.
40:59
I, you know, not to make this about me, but I I lucked out
41:03
because I had, I mean, that's a shitty way to put it, but like I
41:08
had edited that before I'd found out and posted it before I'd
41:11
found out Foxy. I didn't, I mean, but to but to
41:18
spin it positive. I got to hear my friend one last
41:20
time and to kind of bring it back to what you were saying at
41:24
the beginning. I have hours of conversations
41:29
with my friend that are recorded that I can go listen to at any
41:33
time. Yeah.
41:35
And it's very real that he was such a very central part to
41:46
deprogrammed in the Legion of Stupid, like universe.
41:50
Like the fact that this is happening right now is because
42:00
we all loved him so much. I don't know how to move past
42:11
that one, but I I had to save that one for last because it's
42:15
the heavy hitter. I mean, the best thing to do
42:22
would be to play the Seinfeld theme here, I think.
42:30
But but for real, like that would be something he would do
42:35
like he would so break like he would so break this like he
42:43
would find some way to make us laugh and that would be the way
42:48
to end it. And I just wanted to thank you
42:52
guys for for doing this with me. I know it's not much, but it's
42:57
it's something and Peter was an important part of this and we.
43:03
Hello, Charlene Schmidt here. I wanted to share a quick story
43:08
about Peter because it has to do with one of the few times I
43:12
recorded Deprogrammed and he was also on this particular show
43:18
that we were doing and it was for Muse and things were going
43:22
pretty smoothly for the vast majority of our recording.
43:28
No massive squabbles. And it you know, if you knew
43:31
Peter, you knew that he was not bullheaded or overly
43:35
competitive. He always had a thoughtful
43:38
opinion behind whatever he was going to say, but he was never
43:44
combative about it. Well, anyway, we're we're going
43:48
through the process of forming our list and we get to what is
43:51
going to be the number one song for this pack.
43:55
And this is where I started trouble.
43:58
That's that's what really happened.
44:00
Peter had the kind of off the wall idea that maybe we should
44:06
start the list with Nice of Cydonia, which is a fairly
44:10
unique track and definitely a favorite in the Muse catalog.
44:15
However, it is so different that for somebody who had never heard
44:22
Muse before, I thought, you know, I wonder if that's not a
44:27
great representation of what you can expect from this band
44:31
overall. And so Peter's going on about
44:34
why this is a great idea and making a really good case for
44:38
it. And Justin is on board.
44:41
And so then, Justin, I think you said something to the effect of,
44:45
well, are we doing this? And so then my little troll ass
44:49
had to say, Nope, I can't, you guys, This is why.
44:54
And I made my case somehow, somehow I won this disagreement
44:59
because it wasn't even an argument.
45:01
It was just I had a different opinion.
45:03
And I do hope that Peter forgave me for shooting down what would
45:08
have otherwise been a really great idea for people who at
45:12
least had an idea of Muse and what their music was about,
45:16
Definitely put nice to Cydonia first and get their attention.
45:19
But for somebody who has no idea what to expect?
45:22
No, I put my foot down. So Peter, we miss you man.
45:29
You were truly a lovely human being.
45:32
We need more people like you in the world who were thoughtful,
45:37
gentle, compassionate, and a hell of a lot of fun to be
45:42
around. I know my world is better having
45:45
had you in it, so miss you dude. Hey y'all, it's Chris Otto here.
45:52
Just wanted to say a few words about our friend Peter.
45:59
We had recorded that Foxy Shazam show just a couple of days
46:03
before his stupid fucking accident.
46:07
It was a great conversation. A few days later I was taking
46:12
Jules to cooking class. She recorded the show with us
46:17
and she likes to listen to my liked songs playlist on Spotify.
46:21
So O Lord comes on and I told her about what happened to Peter
46:27
and she said, that's really sad. I he seemed like he was really
46:32
cool. And of course, you know, I broke
46:34
a bit and I was like, yeah, you know, he was he was really cool.
46:38
So that song plays and then the next song comes on is a Will
46:45
Wood song, which was a band that he introduced me to and that I
46:51
just fell in love with. Peter was really good at knowing
46:56
like people's likes he'd he'd find a band and like tag you.
47:00
Hey Chris, you'd like this show. You know that song goes on.
47:04
The next song comes on is I'm just Ken, which he loved that
47:09
song so much. And then the next song comes on
47:13
is Sparks and I'm just like, what the fuck?
47:16
Spotify chose violence that night.
47:18
I almost had to pull over. So much of my liked music was
47:22
shared with Peter and we had a lot of great conversations about
47:26
music and so many other things after we recorded that Foxy's
47:30
Shazam. And we did after the fact.
47:33
If you're not a Patreon subscriber for Justin's show,
47:37
you should be. And then we stopped the after
47:41
the fact and had after after the fact, which I think Justin
47:44
should charge more for because that's where the real shit
47:47
happens. The three of us.
47:50
I'd sent Jewels to bed because we had a very, just really deep,
47:53
serious talk for quite a while. And and we signed off and, you
47:59
know, you don't even think about it.
48:00
You sign off podcasts with your friends and you say, hey, you
48:04
know, I love you guys. That was the last, last things
48:07
that we said to Peter, you know, and we did.
48:11
I love Peter, I love my friends. And he's going to be sorely,
48:16
sorely missed by a lot of people.
48:19
Love you Peter, love you guys. Oh, before we go, I want to I'll
48:28
put the link in the description, but what was the the place we
48:33
had found John you'd found in Orlando the.
48:36
It's, yeah. It's, it's an Orlando based
48:41
Humane Society organization that that helps, you know, adopt out
48:48
animals and it's like a shelter. Yeah.
48:52
If if you knew Peter and want to make a donation in his name,
49:00
that would be awesome. I'm also going to put this.
49:04
I mean, it's going to hit the free feed, but if you want, I'm
49:08
also going to put it on behind the paywall on my Patreon and
49:13
make it like a dollar or something like just a one off
49:17
buy and anything that that makes I will make a donation.
49:22
So like, I don't know if if you're not too keen on putting
49:26
your information on a donation or something, then you can you
49:31
can buy the episode from me on Patreon and I'll make the
49:34
donation, you know, as you know, 1 entity.
49:37
So if that either way you want to do it is, you know, is cool
49:42
with me, Just consider doing it. If you were a friend of Peter
49:45
and you're listening to this. With that said though, we love
49:50
you Peter, we will miss you. Does anybody else want to say
49:53
anything before I I end this? Do we mention he was on, if my
50:06
math is right, 64 episodes? That's yeah.
50:09
Plus the two championships and you wouldn't expect it.
50:16
He he was really the unstarned hero.
50:20
Yeah, he was always willing to turn something around quick too.
50:23
Like there was a point where Peter would do an episode and
50:28
then like he would immediately be like down for the next one
50:32
and we would turn it around in a week and, you know, just 'cause
50:35
he was just willing and ready and willing.
50:38
And, you know, that's kind of how that 90s panel happened, is
50:44
we would do an episode and then we'd be like, yeah, man, that
50:47
was fun. Like, what's another one that we
50:49
can kind of go to bat for? And, you know, that's how you
50:52
end up. If you would have told me that I
50:55
would cover live favorably 10 years ago, I would have laughed
51:00
in your face. I would have been like, are you
51:04
kidding? You want me to listen to this
51:07
band? And I did.
51:10
And I mean, I know Everclear ended up being that's was that
51:16
you and Brian Anderson, because Peter was supposed Christian,
51:20
Christian. That's right.
51:22
But but still Peter was supposed to do.
51:24
That Christian and Brian and him were such good episodes and
51:28
anytime you get him and Jenny together those were such good
51:31
episodes and that guy he would anyone Peter and anyone was a
51:38
good episode. Yeah, man.
51:40
So I think Jenny, I think he, he.
51:43
Said it. Yeah, I think you said it best
51:45
though. The best way to get out of here
51:47
if if you want to say it uninterrupted and then I'll hit
51:50
stop. Dick's out for Peter.
51:53
Dick's out for Peter y'all.