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Inside The OIG Interview: The Testimony Of An Unnamed CO/Lieutenant (Part 7) (5/24/26) · The Epstein Chronicles

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  Speaker 1: What's up, everyone, and welcome to another episode of the
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  Epstein Chronicles. In this episode, we're going to pick up
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  where we left off with the unnamed CEO and their
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  interview with the OIG Inspectors. Question, Okay R and D
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  had to notify them? Answer? Yeah, Now if it wasn't.
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  If it wasn't, like a person who needs a selly,
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  you don't have to call the lieutenant and tell them
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  that an inmate left. But if you required a cell
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  mate and it's a special case, then everyone knows that
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  the phone should be ringing. But if it's just a
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  regular inmate, somebody got bailed out, it's not that big
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  of a deal. Question, Just to clarify, let's say the
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  call wasn't made and none of that happened. Now the
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  ten pm count comes around, whoever's in the shoe has
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  to do the ten pm count. If they did the
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  count and they know, then there was instruction stating, hey, listen,
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  Epstein needed a cell mate. They did the count, they
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  realized there's not a cell mate. What should have they
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  have done? Answer operations lieutenant? Question Okay, answer, you always
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  call operations lieutenant, but we can choose staff can move
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  inmates anytime that they want to. You've just got to
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  justify it. So question understood. All right, So I'm gonna
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  move on. Why does CEOs have to come and conduct rounds?
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  It's just a generic question. Why do they have to
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  conduct grounds? Answer to check on the well being of inmates? Question?
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  What about the counts? Answer? Counts to make sure the
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  inmates are alive and well and breathing. Question Okay, I'm
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  gonna move on. Are you aware that there's cameras inside
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  the MCC answer absolutely? Question okay, have you ever utilized
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  it for work? Answer? What do you mean? Question? As
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  a lieutenant? Have you ever used it to see if
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  a staff movement or gets cut off by the CEO? No?
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  I always reviewed it with another lieutenant. Question did you
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  know during that time if any of the cameras were
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  down and not working? Answer? I wouldn't. I didn't know
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  that question you didn't. Okay. If the cameras were down,
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  whose responsibility was it to get it fixed or to
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  make sure that it's working? Answer Facilities department? Question Facilities
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  department answer? Yup. Question Okay, Now I'm going to go back.
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  You mentioned that the attorney conference room you saw Epstein
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  in there, and you interacted with them a little bit.
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  Answer yeah, question or he asked you for something? How
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  was his mood that day? Answer? He doesn't really talk
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  too much of the time that I observed him in
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  attorney conference. He's always in his work with his attorneys.
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  Question was he annoyed? Was he upset about anything? Did
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  he show any emotion? What are shoe inmates allowed to
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  have in their cell? Give me one second? What are
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  shoe inmates allowed to have in their cell? Answer? Food?
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  Question okay, answer food items, commissary items. Question what kind
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  of commissary items? Answer on like tuna, fish, tea bags?
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  Question okay, just food items like that. What about pill bottles?
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  Are they allowed to have pill bottles in there? Answer?
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  Inmates in the special housing unit, some of them are
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  self carry and some of them have to get their
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  medication when medical makes rounds. Question self carrying meaning answer
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  it's on their person. Question okay? Was Epstein authorized to
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  have any pills in his cell? Answer? I don't know.
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  Question you don't know? Okay. How many changes of clothing
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  or linen are inmates allowed to have in the shoe? Answer?
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  We have shower days Monday, Wednesday, and Friday. That's when
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  we did linen exchange and clothing exchange. Question are they
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  supposed to? Are they allowed to have multiple spare clothing
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  inside the shoe with them? Answer? We call that nuisance.
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  So there are times they accumulate more than what they're
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  supposed to have. Question okay, so does it happen once
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  in a while? Answer yes. Question is it a responsibility
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  of the shoe CCOs to make sure that not too
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  many clothing or linens are in that cell? Answer yes?
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  Question okay, And if there is, what do they do? Answer? Well,
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  if you have one hundred inmates in the special housing unit,
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  you know, cell searches are not conducted every day on
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  the same inmate. Question okay. Answer, so cell searches are
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  spread out, so like say, if you do a shakedown
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  on cell one on Monday, you may get to sell
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  ten on Thursday, So you know what I'm saying. Question
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  you might not have seen it? Answer exactly. Question they
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  might not have seen it? Okay. How is Epstein's interaction
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  with the other inmates? Answer I don't know. Question okay,
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  Answer I wouldn't know that. Question do you know if
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  there was any threats made to Epstein? Answer I don't know.
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  Question Okay, these are generic questions that I have to
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  get through. Did you know why Epstein was in prison?
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  Answer pornography, pedophile allegations and charges like that. Question Did
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  you have any specific feelings in regarding why you was
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  in prison? Answer don't care. Question okay, did you speak
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  about Epstein with other inmates? Answer don't care? Question when
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  you came back to work the next day August tenth,
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  what shift did you come back to? Answer eight to four?
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  Question eight to four? When you showed up, was Epstein
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  still there or was he already at the hospital? Answer? Well,
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  I wouldn't know, because when everything happened, I wasn't on
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  shift anyway, so I'm not sure. Question No, but you
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  came in at eight am? Was the ambulance gone? Everyone
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  left from there? Answer? I don't remember. Question okay, did
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  you respond to a cell? Did you go to a
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  cell at all? Answer? No? Question okay, do you have
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  any other question? Question? Yeah, So to go back to
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  the counts when he was talking about trying to get
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  you to put that rubik scubes together? Answer yeah, question
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  you know, so if these were falsified, so let's say,
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  you know, he kind of pointed out like at some
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  point it looks like somebody left. We don't know exactly
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  when that was. So let's say four pm, ten pm,
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  and twelve am were falsified. Who would be responsible for
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  falsifying that everybody in the shoe? Answer no, whoever's names
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  were on the count slips. Question So if there's like
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  four people on the shoe, though, it would be the
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  two people on the count slip, not the other two people.
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  Answer that is correct. Question all right, And that's just
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  so it doesn't have to be like big, hey, we're
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  not doing counts today. They wouldn't tell the other people
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  we're not doing them? Would the other two people know
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  that they didn't conduct the counts? Answer? Not necessarily because
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  things happening? Question okay, answer, So if there are four
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  people in the shoe, like, no one's babysitting, Like I'm
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  not hovering over you, like we have a job to do,
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  you're counting. I could be over there prepping the meals,
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  so you know, like you're not on my back saying hey,
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  are you getting the meals today? Like you're accounting, I'm
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  doing food trays. Question okay, and about how long does
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  the count take? Answer to count inmates about fifteen to
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  twenty minutes if it's a smooth count question okay, and
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  what about for a round? How long does a round take?
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  Answer on a tier or all together? Question in the shoe,
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  so I'm talking specific to the shoe. Both instances answer rounds.
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  Let me see two, four, six, eight, ten, twelve maybe
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  take you about twelve to fifteen minutes questions, So they're
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  roughly the same answer for a smooth round. Now, if
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  you're doing rounds and inmates are stopping you, then you
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  know it can take longer. Question okay, hey, now rounds.
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  I've heard some instances where if people go down the
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  range to deal with something, they could potentially count that
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  as a round. Is that gets cut off by the
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  coe answer? So like that is correct. Say, for instance,
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  if an inmates saying he needs a roll of tissue,
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  and you get the tissues and you go on the
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  tier and you're like, oh, and this tier is all
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  the way in the corner. Me I would have the
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  roll of tissue, I would look at every inmate, give
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  you your tissue, keep going, killing two birds with one stone.
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  Question perfect, and you don't actually have to check in
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  with them when you're doing around like, hey you good,
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  you good? You good? You just look answer so no rounds, officer,
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  three rounds. It's the inmates, like, we're here, So I'm
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  on your door. You know, I'm an officer. If you
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  need something, say something. You know, if someone in there
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  doing jumpin Jack's push ups, you know. Question whereas the count,
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  you actually need to check in and say he gets
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  cut off now by the guard. The counts where we're
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  checking for inmates are standing up for count making sure
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  that they're facing you. We need to see live breathing bodies.
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  So question and how how you do it at twelve am,
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  three am, and five am? Do you guys wake them up? Answer?
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  They see flashlights? Yeah? Question so you actually have the
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  people wake up? Answer So, like if the inmates they
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  don't have to stand up, it's not a stand up
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  count only night. So if they're laying down and some
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  have the covers over their head, knock, they'll pull the
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  sheets over. You see their face, they move, You're seeing movement.
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  You're seeing there alive breathing bodies. Question Okay, but they
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  do actually have to knock, they do have to see
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  them move. Answer yes, question okay, can you show her
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  that email. Do you have that email? Okay? And this
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  is an email that went from and you said psychology
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  really should have made that Psychology sent it out. It
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  looks like almost to all the lieutenants saying that Epstein
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  was required to have a cell may answer yep question
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  and that was on July thirtieth of twenty nineteen. Answer, okay, question,
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  you've never seen that correct answer? That is correct question?
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  All right? So that went out. Now all the lieutenants know.
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  You can kind of flip the page, kind of see
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  everybody that was on it. Who should have told you
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  about that answer? As an officer question? As an acting
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  you're now acting as a lieutenant, whose responsibility was it
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  to tell you? As an acting lieutenant? He gets cut
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  off by her answer operations. Although I'm acting, I don't
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  get lieutenant emails because I'm not an official lieutenant questions,
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  So that day redacted should have told you, hey, by
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  the way, answer yes question. And how often in August
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  leading up to that? So from July thirtieth until August ninth,
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  how often were you an acting lieutenant? Answer? I do
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  off and on for overtime, So I would have to
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  look at the roster if I was on activities at day.
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  I was activities at day. Question wasn't quite often answer
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  around that time because we were short lieutenants. I would
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  say at least maybe once twice a month I did
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  activities lieutenant question once or twice a month. Answer yes.
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  All right, folks, We're gonna wrap up right here, and
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  then the next episode dealing with the topic, we're gonna
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  pick up where we left off. All the information that
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