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FIRE HIM! Megyn Kelly on Kimmel, Roseanne & the Double Standard That's Destroying Media · Unshaken & Unafraid with Joe Pags

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  Speaker 1: You know by now. Jimmy Kimmel called Malania Trump an
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  Speaker 1: expectant widow, of course, alleging that her husband would die.
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  Speaker 1: The next night at the White House correspondence dinner, I
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  Speaker 1: shoot her, showed up. He wanted to kill the president.
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  Speaker 1: Roseanne Barr lost her entire career and her show because
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  Speaker 1: she sent a tweet. Megan Kelly asked the question on
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  Speaker 1: NBC lost her career there. But Kimmel wished the president's
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  Speaker 1: wife to be widowed on his show, and he's still
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  Speaker 1: on his show, and he said it the next night again. Tonight,
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  Speaker 1: Megan Kelly is here on my show. She says, fire him. Now.
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  Speaker 2: If Roseanne Barr has to go, so does Jimmy Kimmel.
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  Speaker 2: Trump had three counted three assassination attempts before Jimmy Kimmel
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  Speaker 2: made the joke with counting Saturday nights, it's four. Al Roker,
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  Speaker 2: that disgusting turd actually had the nerve to go out
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  Speaker 2: there and say I needed to do a better apology
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  Speaker 2: and need to racialize my apology because it didn't meet
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  Speaker 2: his high standards.
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  Speaker 1: I want to get into what happens Saturday night, because
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  Speaker 1: Saturday Night is that was an event that I'm guessing
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  Speaker 1: you've been to. You weren't there that night, but I'm
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  Speaker 1: guessing you either were invited to or you've been to
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  Speaker 1: the setup of that night. Generally speaking, is a fun night.
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  Speaker 1: Let's roast everybody, let's all have some fun. With Trump involved,
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  Speaker 1: it's less fun. It's more let's attack the president. I
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  Speaker 1: think he had some scathing speech that he was going
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  Speaker 1: to give. Just give my audience a setup of what
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  Speaker 1: that even looks like. I'm guessing it's normally at that
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  Speaker 1: Washington Hilton, right.
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  Speaker 2: Well, yes, and there's a reason they call it nerd prom.
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  Speaker 2: You know, it's basically TV for unattractive people, you know,
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  Speaker 2: who couldn't make it in Hollywood, which is why, sadly
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  Speaker 2: a lot of these people go into television.
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  Speaker 3: News Humes used to call them news actresses.
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  Speaker 2: And there's a fair amount of these people who just
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  Speaker 2: want to see their mugs on television. They don't actually
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  Speaker 2: want to be reporters, and sadly that's everywhere now.
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  Speaker 3: But yeah, they call it nerd prom.
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  Speaker 2: Because there's a bunch of nerds who are like not
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  Speaker 2: attractive enough to have made it into real television out
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  Speaker 2: in Hollywood, and so they've decided some semblance of.
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  Speaker 3: Them to go into news.
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  Speaker 2: Now there's some smaller faction that's actual news journalists, and
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  Speaker 2: those people are fine, But in today's day, what does
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  Speaker 2: that really mean? It does mean you probably have a
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  Speaker 2: hefty case of TDS and you're devoting your days to
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  Speaker 2: trying to take down the president. Only when it's Trump
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  Speaker 2: or a Republican. You didn't feel that way under Joe Biden,
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  Speaker 2: and certainly not under Barack Obama. And this is his
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  Speaker 2: one night typically to come out and give it to you, like,
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  Speaker 2: give you some guff singe, don't burn, as generally the
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  Speaker 2: rule of these events for the president or anybody roasting
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  Speaker 2: the president. And that's why, by the way, Caroline Levitt
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  Speaker 2: said before the event, there's going to be some shots fired,
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  Speaker 2: and obviously what she was.
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  Speaker 3: Saying was President Trump is going.
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  Speaker 2: To issue some rhetorical barbs against the people who spend
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  Speaker 2: their days ripping on him. So everybody understood what the
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  Speaker 2: deal was, and we understood exactly what it was going
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  Speaker 2: to be, and then things went haywire.
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  Speaker 3: I wasn't there this year. I've been there many times.
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  Speaker 2: But things went haywire when news of this gunman hit
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  Speaker 2: and my own take on it was Joe that it
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  Speaker 2: was awful, and I understand why people were afraid. And
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  Speaker 2: as soon as the danger was clearly passed, which took
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  Speaker 2: about two minutes from what I could see, they should
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  Speaker 2: have stood up and acted like grown ups instead of
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  Speaker 2: pretending they just got back from Fallujah. The histrionics right
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  Speaker 2: by the press corps like oh Ryan stell're talking. They
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  Speaker 2: need counseling and they need PTSD, like would you grow up?
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  Speaker 3: Like there were gunshots.
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  Speaker 2: Far away on a different floor, up an enormous escalator
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  Speaker 2: that's like three times the size of a normal escalator.
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  Speaker 2: It's a miracle. You could even hear the bullets that
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  Speaker 2: were firing. And by the way, nobody wanted to shoot
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  Speaker 2: you Stelter and stop like they have to make it
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  Speaker 2: all about themselves, Like all these young reporters who are
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  Speaker 2: doing selfie videos.
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  Speaker 3: Like I'm scared and I'm here. It's like, would you
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  Speaker 3: Just the.
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  Speaker 2: Way you learn how to report news, actress is to
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  Speaker 2: turn the camera the other way, yes, and show the
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  Speaker 2: viewers at home what's happening in the room, not what's
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  Speaker 2: happening in your face. So just the whole thing left
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  Speaker 2: me with such a bad taste. I felt bad for
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  Speaker 2: President Trump. I felt bad that people put on this
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  Speaker 2: amazing event that had to be canceled because of a
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  Speaker 2: left wing loon. And I felt disdain, as I always do,
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  Speaker 2: for the press corps, which was overly dramatic and typically
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  Speaker 2: on brand, made it all about themselves.
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  Speaker 1: There's a lot there. So they weren't duck and fire
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  Speaker 1: from al Qaeda in two thousand and four in Fallujah,
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  Speaker 1: they weren't. They weren't trying to outrun Isis, you know,
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  Speaker 1: in the middle of the desert. These were a bunch
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  Speaker 1: of people that were four levels away from where this happened.
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  Speaker 1: There were three other security levels before that guy could
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  Speaker 1: have gotten anybody. But in watching it unfold, and you're
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  Speaker 1: right by the way, you know, being a former journalist,
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  Speaker 1: and I've won a lot of awards, I always brag
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  Speaker 1: about this, but I won twenty eight AP Awards for
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  Speaker 1: Excellence in Journalism and I had to do it. You
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  Speaker 1: probably are more awarded than that, and you really know
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  Speaker 1: how to do it. We would never have put the
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  Speaker 1: camera on ourselves saying I'm at the scene. Oh look
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  Speaker 1: there's O's talking to to the first lady, and we
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  Speaker 1: hear gunfire. Look at my dress. That isn't what you do.
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  Speaker 1: You turn the camera around and you shoot what's going on?
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  Speaker 1: And when I say shoot, I don't mean shoot a
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  Speaker 1: gun like well, clearly Caroline Levitt was talking about shooting
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  Speaker 1: the place up and she said shots will be fired.
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  Speaker 1: There's so much there in Megan, let's let's finish on
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  Speaker 1: the actual event. You mentioned Obama, you mentioned Biden, you
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  Speaker 1: mentioned Trump because they love to go there and hit
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  Speaker 1: on Trump. I remember Obama was treated like a superstar,
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  Speaker 1: a super celebrity, the best comedian in the room, the
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  Speaker 1: best singer in the room, the best looking guy in
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  Speaker 1: the room. They always kissed his ass. But I noticed,
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  Speaker 1: for a one second after what happened Saturday, and I
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  Speaker 1: wonder if you noticed this too, those reporters let their
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  Speaker 1: guard down, and they really were scared to death. They're
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  Speaker 1: a bunch of million mouthed mice that wouldn't know Fellujah
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  Speaker 1: if it smacked him upside the head. They were scared
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  Speaker 1: to death hiding under their champagne laden tables in a
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  Speaker 1: place where they were ultimately very secure. And even the
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  Speaker 1: question and answer in the press room later when Trump
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  Speaker 1: showed up, they were like, well, how do you feel,
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  Speaker 1: mister Trump, like they were afraid to be the badasses
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  Speaker 1: they thought they were before this event. Do you think
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  Speaker 1: that's going to make them change at all? Well they
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  Speaker 1: now take a lighter hand with him or not?
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  Speaker 3: No, they won't. And just one quick point on what
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  Speaker 3: you said.
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  Speaker 2: One of the first things I learned when I got
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  Speaker 2: in journalism, you know, because I practiced law for a
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  Speaker 2: number of years and then got into journalism later. And
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  Speaker 2: I was on my very first job in local TV,
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  Speaker 2: learning the from my hootog who was an actual photojournalist
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  Speaker 2: and knew what he was doing. And we were getting
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  Speaker 2: on a train, a train, and some bad guy just
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  Speaker 2: happened to run by us with the cops chasing him
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  Speaker 2: on a different part of the train.
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  Speaker 3: And I was like, oh my god, you know, let's
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  Speaker 3: go the other way.
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  Speaker 2: And he was like, no, no, no, no, no, you get
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  Speaker 2: paid to run toward the danger.
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  Speaker 3: Now we need to be going that way towards them.
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  Speaker 3: I'm like, oh my god, you're right. So we did.
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  Speaker 2: We ran toward and no one there had that instinct,
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  Speaker 2: you know, like they needed some time with my old
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  Speaker 2: photog like, not only should you not really be under
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  Speaker 2: the tables, I have to be honest, you should probably
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  Speaker 2: be trying to get out of the doors or at
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  Speaker 2: least over to the dignitaries to try to get them
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  Speaker 2: on camera, like that's what journalists are supposed to do.
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  Speaker 2: But now they cower and fear, and they want you
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  Speaker 2: to look at them and how hot they are in
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  Speaker 2: their ball gowns or their fancy tuxes or it's just
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  Speaker 2: the whole thing is just nauseating. And look, what they're
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  Speaker 2: really in the business of is trying to ruin Trump.
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  Speaker 2: So they will get back to that a minute two
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  Speaker 2: minutes later. I think they actually might have felt somewhat
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  Speaker 2: charmed by Trump, because it was charming that he was
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  Speaker 2: under fire, he was the intended target, and he still said,
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  Speaker 2: let's go on with the event, you know what, come
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  Speaker 2: back to the White House and we'll do an impromptu presser.
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  Speaker 2: So he fed the beast, you know, he gave them
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  Speaker 2: all copy for the next day. He was magnanimous in
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  Speaker 2: dealing with the staff there that night, that the press
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  Speaker 2: in the press briefing room. I think you couldn't help
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  Speaker 2: but feel like you liked him, you know, I mean,
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  Speaker 2: I just even these terrible reporters, they must have liked
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  Speaker 2: him a little. They must have hated themselves for it,
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  Speaker 2: but I think they probably did. But it's wanted to
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  Speaker 2: take twelve fifteen hours for Norah O'Donnell to declare that
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  Speaker 2: was over and get in his face and throw all
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  Speaker 2: the nasty terms at him and then say, oh.
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  Speaker 3: You thought that was about you.
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  Speaker 2: Her fake Actually, of course it was about him, So
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  Speaker 2: it was like immediately was off. Notwithstanding Trump's being very
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  Speaker 2: very good to the press in that day and asking
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  Speaker 2: people to turn it down, they won't.
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  Speaker 3: They can't Megan with a why.
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  Speaker 1: She's of course an incredible journalist, the host of the
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  Speaker 1: Megan Kelly Show, which is dominating the globe at this point,
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  Speaker 1: I was gonna get to Nora O'Donnell because you're right,
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  Speaker 1: it didn't take many hours for her to sit there
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  Speaker 1: and act like she was concerned and act like, how
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  Speaker 1: did you feel and what was going through your head?
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  Speaker 1: And what about the rhetoric and so on, and then
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  Speaker 1: she reads from the so called manifesto. It's interesting, bad
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  Speaker 1: guys all have manifestos or else has a diary, but
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  Speaker 1: these bad guys are like, this is my manifesto and
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  Speaker 1: she mentions pedophile and rapist and so on and so forth,
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  Speaker 1: and she does that, no, right trader, she does that
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  Speaker 1: knowing in the so called manifesto the guy is talking
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  Speaker 1: about Trump. That's clear if you've read the words. He's
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  Speaker 1: talking about the man who's about to give a speech
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  Speaker 1: is these things. And I don't know who else he
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  Speaker 1: could have been talking about. I mean, ohes the menalist,
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  Speaker 1: I don't think so so O'Donnell knows going in. She's
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  Speaker 1: not dumb, she's really smart. And sadly she's from San Antonio.
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  Speaker 1: We're on base, which is odd, but that aside, she
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  Speaker 1: looks at him and says that. And when he says,
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  Speaker 1: I'm not a rapist, I'm not a pedophile. So you
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  Speaker 1: think he was talking about you, She's says it to
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  Speaker 1: put it on the record, to act stupid, and then
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  Speaker 1: let him see the words, and then make him defend
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  Speaker 1: himself against something that he shouldn't have to defend, because
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  Speaker 1: this is clearly a nutjob who ran through the lobby
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  Speaker 1: hoping to kill the administration. Except for cash, buttel, I'm sure,
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  Speaker 1: I'm not sure why he likes cash so much, but
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  Speaker 1: right it is. But as somebody who sat there across
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  Speaker 1: from him, I've done that. You've done it way more
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  Speaker 1: than I have. Why would you do that? Why not
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  Speaker 1: sit there and get the opportunity to really talk about
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  Speaker 1: lowering the temperature, stopping the rhetoric. Why did it get
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  Speaker 1: to this point three times? You've been almost assassinated in
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  Speaker 1: my lifetime, mister president. Tell me how that feels. Why
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  Speaker 1: do that to get it on the record. Who is
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  Speaker 1: she serving that wanted to hear her and see her
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  Speaker 1: do that? Do you think?
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  Speaker 3: Oh?
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  Speaker 2: I mean, well, she enjoyed it, and I'm sure her
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  Speaker 2: audience on sixty enjoyed it because they hate Trump and
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  Speaker 2: that sixty minutes is far left. They're trying to pretend
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  Speaker 2: that they're not now and they absolutely are. Look at
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  Speaker 2: any piece of tape over the past couple of years
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  Speaker 2: and it's obvious. But I think she enjoyed it, and
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  Speaker 2: she wanted the little plaudits from her audience for confronting
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  Speaker 2: him with those terrible words, which your audience thinks are true.
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  Speaker 2: But my own take on that question is it is
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  Speaker 2: not out of bounds to ask him about what the
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  Speaker 2: shooter said was his motivation, but you would have to
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  Speaker 2: be delicate about it, because these are extremely insulting, they're
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  Speaker 2: libelous if untrue, which they were. And the man has
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  Speaker 2: also just had his life put on the line, you know, so,
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  Speaker 2: and he's doing you a solid by giving you his
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  Speaker 2: first interview, So like, you don't want to be a
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  Speaker 2: complete ass.
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  Speaker 3: And so had it been me and I decided to
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  Speaker 3: use that.
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  Speaker 2: Phrase from the shooter, I think I would have said,
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  Speaker 2: forgive me, mister president. Quoting here, the shooter said has
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  Speaker 2: followed as follows, and Trump would have forgiven her had
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  Speaker 2: she done it gently like that, he would have understood
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  Speaker 2: this is not her being a showboter.
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  Speaker 3: This is her.
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  Speaker 2: Actually he's just trying to get my reaction, because you
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  Speaker 2: could go a different way with that, you know, you
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  Speaker 2: could be setting Trump up, Trump up to say, and
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  Speaker 2: where have we heard those words all over your network, Nora,
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  Speaker 2: all over all left wing press? Where do you think
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  Speaker 2: he got the impression I was any of those things? Like,
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  Speaker 2: I just have a feeling if you'd gotten into it differently,
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  Speaker 2: and if he knew you didn't hate his guts, you
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  Speaker 2: know what I mean. Like, if it was a normal reporter,
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  Speaker 2: somebody who's more fair, you could have gotten away with that,
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  Speaker 2: but she couldn't. And then you could tell she was
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  Speaker 2: unfair in a liar based on that ridiculous, absurd.
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  Speaker 3: Follow up act.
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  Speaker 4: Like oh, you think it was about you, as though
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  Speaker 4: Joe she thought she had an exclusive, like Trump thinks
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  Speaker 4: that pedophile and rapist and traitor are about him, which
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  Speaker 4: tells us he is he knows in his heart he
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  Speaker 4: did those things.
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  Speaker 3: It was the most absurd piece of theater ever.
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  Speaker 1: It was, and the way that you framed it is
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  Speaker 1: exactly right. She could have gone because there's other stuff
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  Speaker 1: in this writings by this nutjob about killing fishermen off
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  Speaker 1: the coast of Venezuela. There are things in there that
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  Speaker 1: you can certainly say. The reason he thinks fishermen are
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  Speaker 1: being killed off the coast of Venezuela is because of
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  Speaker 1: sixty minutes, because of the mainstream media, because of Jimmy Kimboll,
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  Speaker 1: because of the legacy left whatever you want to say,
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  Speaker 1: But you're right, all of that would have directed back
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  Speaker 1: to her and put her on the spot. Instead. She
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  Speaker 1: can lob oout these these terms about Trump this guy
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  Speaker 1: allegedly felt, and you can say that and just shut
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  Speaker 1: up and wait for his answer. But you're right. She
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  Speaker 1: showed her cards when she acted so stupid going because
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  Speaker 1: she could have said, well, clearly he thinks this is
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  Speaker 1: who you are. Why do you think he thinks that
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  Speaker 1: he thinks this is who you are? And he allegedly
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  Speaker 1: tried to kill people because of that. But she didn't
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  Speaker 1: go there. She wasn't a journalist at all. She went
• 12:27
  Speaker 1: there with a perspective that was already locked in. Granted,
• 12:32
  Speaker 1: this is what I want to bring up about you,
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  Speaker 1: and I want to get to Jimmy kmil in a second,
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  Speaker 1: because you and I have known each other a long time,
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  Speaker 1: twenty two years. I think, if you believe it, the
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  Speaker 1: first time you called my newsroom in San Antonio.
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  Speaker 3: We're getting old.
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  Speaker 1: Well you are not. I am somehow. I don't know
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  Speaker 1: how the hell that happened, But saying that the reason
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  Speaker 1: why you're different. Now, I'm not gonna drag anybody because
• 12:50
  Speaker 1: some of these people are friends of yours, and I
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  Speaker 1: certainly like them sometimes. But you're being lumped in with
• 12:55
  Speaker 1: people like Tucker being lumped in, with people like Candace
• 12:57
  Speaker 1: being lumped in, with people like Alex being lumped in
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  Speaker 1: with others, and it's unfair, and I'm gonna say why.
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  Speaker 1: I think it's unfair you can tell me if I'm
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  Speaker 1: right or wrong. You truly are a journalist. You don't
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  Speaker 1: go in like I don't go in with any assumptions.
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  Speaker 1: If you feel this way about this, you can back
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  Speaker 1: it up with the evidence that you've collected. If you
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  Speaker 1: change your mind tomorrow, it's because different evidence came in
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  Speaker 1: and that made you say, wait a second, I didn't
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  Speaker 1: know that perspective. Others don't do that. They will lock in.
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  Speaker 1: Here's my narrative, here's the way it's going to go.
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  Speaker 1: I think it's unfair, and I think even Trump knows
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  Speaker 1: that it's unfair to criticize you this way, because he
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  Speaker 1: has said to me, as I'm sure he's said to you,
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  Speaker 1: I don't care what you ask me, as long as
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  Speaker 1: it's fair. And that's what Nora o'donald didn't do. You
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  Speaker 1: have always done that, even with the way he treated
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  Speaker 1: women from twenty fifteen, it was fair because it was
• 13:41
  Speaker 1: in the ether and he did it. It wasn't somebody
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  Speaker 1: alleging that he did it. And you guys have made
• 13:46
  Speaker 1: up since then. Am I right that you're in the
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  Speaker 1: wrong bucket when they try to say you're some podcaster
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  Speaker 1: who is putting your finger up in the air and
• 13:53
  Speaker 1: feeling which way the wind is blowing. I think that
• 13:56
  Speaker 1: you do what I do. And I'm not saying that
• 13:57
  Speaker 1: I'm like you, but we come from some backgrounds, even
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  Speaker 1: in the Capitol region of New York, in that we
• 14:03
  Speaker 1: know that we don't know anything until we go and
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  Speaker 1: find it out, and once we find that will disseminate
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  Speaker 1: it to our audience.
• 14:12
  Speaker 2: I don't I have to say, I don't. I don't
• 14:13
  Speaker 2: think that's fair for the others that you mentioned either.
• 14:16
  Speaker 2: I don't really watch Alex, but I've seen some of
• 14:18
  Speaker 2: Candae and I've seen a lot of Tucker, and I
• 14:20
  Speaker 2: don't I don't think that they do that either.
• 14:22
  Speaker 3: But I do not do that at all.
• 14:23
  Speaker 2: And you know, people have suggested that's why I opposed
• 14:26
  Speaker 2: the president on the Iran war, because like I did
• 14:28
  Speaker 2: it for clicks, that I didn't do it for clicks.
• 14:30
  Speaker 2: That that hasn't been a helpful position for me and
• 14:32
  Speaker 2: my audience. My audience is very very pro Trump, and
• 14:36
  Speaker 2: we did lose some subscribers. It hasn't been bad, but
• 14:39
  Speaker 2: you know, if anything, you know, it was a negative
• 14:41
  Speaker 2: for me, not a positive for me. Great, but I
• 14:44
  Speaker 2: can't do my job like that. You know, Roger Els
• 14:46
  Speaker 2: told me very early on in this business, never go
• 14:48
  Speaker 2: chasing an audience. And I genuinely believe that's true. Like,
• 14:53
  Speaker 2: if you start to do that, it doesn't reward you.
• 14:56
  Speaker 2: That's not how you get an audience. I think that
• 14:59
  Speaker 2: honesty is re I think some modicum of courage is rewarded.
• 15:02
  Speaker 2: Even if you are opposed to what you know your
• 15:04
  Speaker 2: audience favors. They'll respect you for being honest about your
• 15:08
  Speaker 2: disagreement as long as you're not totally disdainful for their
• 15:11
  Speaker 2: point of view.
• 15:12
  Speaker 3: You know.
• 15:12
  Speaker 2: And I've told my audience right up front when I
• 15:14
  Speaker 2: said I wasn't backing Trump on this war.
• 15:16
  Speaker 3: My husband is. You know, how can I hate my
• 15:18
  Speaker 3: audience if they're If my own husband back.
• 15:20
  Speaker 1: Then I'm sorry, Doug is back again, but you're not.
• 15:23
  Speaker 1: How does dinner time got at the bront Kelly House.
• 15:26
  Speaker 2: It's great, you know. It's like, I don't have hatred
• 15:29
  Speaker 2: in my heart for people who back the war. I
• 15:31
  Speaker 2: totally get why they do. You know. I feel very
• 15:33
  Speaker 2: differently myself for the reasons I've espoused, but I don't
• 15:36
  Speaker 2: look at anybody for their support of the war and
• 15:39
  Speaker 2: say they're evil. There are individual actors who are far
• 15:42
  Speaker 2: too bloodthirsty, like Lindsey Graham and others who I do
• 15:46
  Speaker 2: have disdain for, and I can talk about them all
• 15:48
  Speaker 2: day long, but they don't represent the vast majority of
• 15:51
  Speaker 2: people who are backing Trump on this. So yeah, I
• 15:54
  Speaker 2: can easily have a discussion with anybody about what the
• 15:57
  Speaker 2: pros are of this and what my opinions are, what
• 15:59
  Speaker 2: their opinion are, and if I'm wrong on any piece
• 16:01
  Speaker 2: of it, then hopefully I'll be less wrong tomorrow than
• 16:03
  Speaker 2: I was yesterday.
• 16:05
  Speaker 1: Well, the point that I'm making and I hear what
• 16:08
  Speaker 1: you're saying, and you're you, so I agree with what
• 16:10
  Speaker 1: you say about yourself. But I want to reiterate this
• 16:13
  Speaker 1: to my audience that I don't think you're against the
• 16:15
  Speaker 1: war because you feel like being against the war. I
• 16:17
  Speaker 1: think you're against the war because you've weighed what you know,
• 16:20
  Speaker 1: you've taken facts at hand. Is this America first? Is
• 16:23
  Speaker 1: this what we should be doing? Are we all set
• 16:25
  Speaker 1: here in this country that we should go meddle in
• 16:26
  Speaker 1: the Middle East? Again? And yeah, what's the Israel component
• 16:29
  Speaker 1: in that? And I see you doing that as a journalist,
• 16:32
  Speaker 1: and I don't want us to make this about Tucker
• 16:34
  Speaker 1: or about Candace. I've taken Candace down with four videos
• 16:37
  Speaker 1: journalistically calling her out on just saying it's weird, and
• 16:39
  Speaker 1: I kind of feel, wait till tomorrow. I think there's
• 16:41
  Speaker 1: a lot of leading to tomorrow stuff and what she
• 16:43
  Speaker 1: does it works for her. She's making a lot of money,
• 16:46
  Speaker 1: God bless her. Tucker alleging that the president's the Antichrist,
• 16:50
  Speaker 1: and this guy in a stupid diary slash manifesto says
• 16:53
  Speaker 1: he's the Antichrist. You know that? To me, I think
• 16:55
  Speaker 1: you've got to realize that you've got weight and what
• 16:58
  Speaker 1: it is that you say. That's why I I always
• 17:00
  Speaker 1: turned to you as the when people try to criticize you,
• 17:02
  Speaker 1: I say, I know her, and I see what she's doing.
• 17:05
  Speaker 1: She's doing what I would want her to do if
• 17:07
  Speaker 1: I were the news director. She's doing what I would
• 17:09
  Speaker 1: want her to do if she were my news director.
• 17:10
  Speaker 1: She is somebody who goes in with the clean slate
• 17:13
  Speaker 1: and says, now I feel this way because this proves
• 17:16
  Speaker 1: the way I feel. Does that make sense? Am I
• 17:18
  Speaker 1: really off base here?
• 17:20
  Speaker 4: No?
• 17:20
  Speaker 3: No, No, I'm very fact based.
• 17:21
  Speaker 2: That's just just the nature of being a lawyer, you know,
• 17:24
  Speaker 2: I practice law for nine and half years before I
• 17:25
  Speaker 2: got into this business, and I'm much more comfortable staying
• 17:28
  Speaker 2: right over the facts and going from there on my opinion.
• 17:31
  Speaker 2: But I also feel like I understand why people are
• 17:33
  Speaker 2: annoyed by it, you know, like they have all of
• 17:36
  Speaker 2: the mainstream media to hear, you know, eviscerate Trump and
• 17:40
  Speaker 2: rip on Trump, and they don't really want that from
• 17:42
  Speaker 2: the people who are more right wing who they listen to,
• 17:45
  Speaker 2: and it's annoying when it happens. So like I give
• 17:47
  Speaker 2: my audience all of that grace. I get why it's annoying.
• 17:51
  Speaker 2: But I also can't do this business any other way.
• 17:53
  Speaker 3: I can't.
• 17:54
  Speaker 2: I actually that's the irony is I'm incapable of pandering.
• 17:57
  Speaker 2: I wish I were capable of it. I think my
• 17:58
  Speaker 2: career probably would be a lot better and I would
• 18:00
  Speaker 2: have gone a lot farther, and I wouldn't have gotten
• 18:02
  Speaker 2: in some of the jams that I've gotten in over
• 18:04
  Speaker 2: the years.
• 18:04
  Speaker 3: But I can't.
• 18:06
  Speaker 2: I you know, as I said, when this thing started,
• 18:09
  Speaker 2: I cheer led for twenty years on Afghanistan and Iraq,
• 18:12
  Speaker 2: night after night, after more than anyone I guarantee Joe
• 18:16
  Speaker 2: more than you, more than anybody.
• 18:17
  Speaker 3: And I have to live with that fact.
• 18:19
  Speaker 2: And I have to live with looking the soldiers in
• 18:21
  Speaker 2: the eyes who lost four limbs doing it, only for
• 18:24
  Speaker 2: us to give up whatever gains we got and have
• 18:26
  Speaker 2: both conflicts result in a loss by a government that
• 18:29
  Speaker 2: lied to us. We know now was lying to us
• 18:31
  Speaker 2: about bush scenarios. And I swallowed it all, hook line
• 18:34
  Speaker 2: and sinker, and I'm just not going to do it again.
• 18:37
  Speaker 2: I'm going to be extremely skeptical about the use of
• 18:40
  Speaker 2: our troops in any way, shape or form that doesn't
• 18:42
  Speaker 2: feel entirely defensive.
• 18:44
  Speaker 3: That's just where I am.
• 18:45
  Speaker 2: In the same way, I give the audience grace, I
• 18:48
  Speaker 2: hope that they will give me grace from my own
• 18:50
  Speaker 2: position on the war as well.
• 18:52
  Speaker 1: Well, well, you certainly give them more grace than they
• 18:53
  Speaker 1: give to us. I mean, I've had people's when I
• 18:56
  Speaker 1: would say, why would the president write that about Rob
• 18:58
  Speaker 1: Reiner after his un allegedly slashed his neck and killed
• 19:01
  Speaker 1: his mother as well? Why would he say that about
• 19:03
  Speaker 1: Robert Muller? I get it, but the guy, I mean, Muller,
• 19:06
  Speaker 1: if anything, the Muller Report exonerated him, So I didn't
• 19:08
  Speaker 1: understand that. And when I did that, I was flooded
• 19:11
  Speaker 1: with emails saying, how dare you not support our president?
• 19:13
  Speaker 1: How dare you not understand why he did that? So, Meghan,
• 19:16
  Speaker 1: you're right. I hope that they give us enough grace
• 19:18
  Speaker 1: as well. I've lost a lot of followers on Instagram
• 19:19
  Speaker 1: and stuff when I've not taken the Trump line. But
• 19:22
  Speaker 1: that's not who I am. It's not who you are.
• 19:23
  Speaker 1: I'm glad that you explained it that way. I think
• 19:25
  Speaker 1: that it makes perfect sense. Follow her everywhere. Meghan Kelly,
• 19:27
  Speaker 1: m E G Y n K E L y incredible podcast.
• 19:31
  Speaker 1: Go and check out every single that she does on Twitter,
• 19:33
  Speaker 1: on Facebook, Instagram. It's all Meghan Kelly. Let's talk about
• 19:35
  Speaker 1: Jimmy Kimmel. It's not lost on me that Roseanne Barr
• 19:39
  Speaker 1: was fired from the job as the star of Roseanne,
• 19:43
  Speaker 1: a show called her that she co created because she
• 19:47
  Speaker 1: tweeted something about Valerie Jarrett. When she did that, Roseanne
• 19:50
  Speaker 1: and I have been connected a long time since she
• 19:51
  Speaker 1: ran for president twenty twelve. I sent her a text.
• 19:54
  Speaker 1: I said, did you know that Valerie Jarrett was black?
• 19:56
  Speaker 1: She said, of course not. I had no idea, but
• 19:59
  Speaker 1: it's not luck. She had no clues.
• 20:00
  Speaker 3: She doesn't look black.
• 20:01
  Speaker 1: She doesn't. I wouldn't say, hey, there's a black person
• 20:04
  Speaker 1: that said we know that Barack Obama and Michelle Obama
• 20:07
  Speaker 1: got a hold of the of the bosses at Disney
• 20:08
  Speaker 1: and had her fired from her own show that is
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: named after her, and everybody who is now supporting Jimmy
• 20:15
  Speaker 1: Kimmel was silent. They were all very quiet. So is
• 20:18
  Speaker 1: that a good comparison or is that lost in the
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: last thirteen fourteen years that it's.
• 20:23
  Speaker 3: Not the same thing.
• 20:26
  Speaker 2: No, it's a great comparison because they're two comedians and
• 20:28
  Speaker 2: both were telling a joke. Yes, only Roseanne did it
• 20:31
  Speaker 2: on X you know she did it. Jimmy Kimmel did
• 20:34
  Speaker 2: on ABC's airwaves. So you'd think if anybody were going
• 20:37
  Speaker 2: to get punished, it would be Kimmel, not Roseanne, who
• 20:39
  Speaker 2: sent out, as you know, a silly joke, a stupid tweet.
• 20:42
  Speaker 2: Everyone has sent out a stupid tweet here or there,
• 20:44
  Speaker 2: and it does change things. If she didn't know that
• 20:46
  Speaker 2: valorj Rat was black, which.
• 20:48
  Speaker 3: Many people didn't know. I didn't know she was black either.
• 20:50
  Speaker 3: She's whiter than I am.
• 20:51
  Speaker 2: Joe's changed something me too, so whatever, so they take
• 20:57
  Speaker 2: Rozanne's show away from her. And by the way, even
• 20:59
  Speaker 2: if you thought okay, that was stupid, it was racially insensitive.
• 21:01
  Speaker 2: She could have been put in the penalty box for
• 21:03
  Speaker 2: two weeks, you know, like, all right, two weeks you're
• 21:06
  Speaker 2: in the penalty box.
• 21:06
  Speaker 3: Then you're gonna come out. We're gonna lie.
• 21:08
  Speaker 2: But like they treated it as the death penalty offense.
• 21:11
  Speaker 2: And now, what do you have with Jimmy Kimmel. This
• 21:13
  Speaker 2: is such bs him lying saying, oh, it was just
• 21:16
  Speaker 2: a joke about their ages, about the fact that she's
• 21:19
  Speaker 2: younger than I am. She's fifty five younger than Jimmy,
• 21:22
  Speaker 2: and she and he's going to be eighty. That is
• 21:26
  Speaker 2: such a lie. He Trump didn't have a heart attack recently.
• 21:30
  Speaker 2: Trump didn't get a cancer diagnosis. Trump didn't almost get
• 21:33
  Speaker 2: run over by a bus. Trump had three counted three
• 21:37
  Speaker 2: assassination attempts before Jimmy Kimmel made the joke with counting
• 21:41
  Speaker 2: Saturday nights, it's four. Don't forget the guy who showed
• 21:43
  Speaker 2: up in mar A Lago with like a fire law
• 21:46
  Speaker 2: and thencendiary device and got into an altercation with the
• 21:51
  Speaker 2: security there on the golf carts or the resorts grounds.
• 21:55
  Speaker 2: So that's four, okay, three preceding the so called joke.
• 21:59
  Speaker 2: That's clear what he was referencing. Okay, he didn't say
• 22:02
  Speaker 2: anything about age. He was obviously talking about the fact
• 22:05
  Speaker 2: that Trump is vulnerable because so many people keep trying
• 22:09
  Speaker 2: to kill him. And to think for one second that
• 22:12
  Speaker 2: Jimmy Kimmel wouldn't be secretly delighted to see it happen
• 22:15
  Speaker 2: is to delude yourself about the modern day left. He
• 22:18
  Speaker 2: made a joke. His audience thought it was funny that
• 22:20
  Speaker 2: she was a glowing wideo widow, that she would be
• 22:23
  Speaker 2: widow because he thought she was going to delight in
• 22:26
  Speaker 2: Trump's death. He was telegraphing to the world even Millenia
• 22:29
  Speaker 2: would appreciate it, if you could just get rid of
• 22:31
  Speaker 2: this guy. Even the wife will thank you. You can
• 22:34
  Speaker 2: see she can't stand him. They're disgusting. He's disgusting. The
• 22:38
  Speaker 2: world would be a better place without him. That's what
• 22:40
  Speaker 2: he was telegraphing. It was very clear, it was inappropriate,
• 22:44
  Speaker 2: it was classless, and it crossed a line of decency,
• 22:47
  Speaker 2: just fundamental decency that should not be allowed on the
• 22:50
  Speaker 2: airwaves of ABC. I don't see this as a small
• 22:53
  Speaker 2: deal at all. And my own position on it, Joe,
• 22:56
  Speaker 2: is that if you are going to like our standards
• 22:59
  Speaker 2: over on the right are respeech, comedians are going to
• 23:01
  Speaker 2: be inappropriate. They're going to say things that are going
• 23:03
  Speaker 2: to shock and offend, and you're gonna have to take
• 23:05
  Speaker 2: it like a man. Just you know, that's life as
• 23:07
  Speaker 2: an American and we're all fine with that. But if
• 23:09
  Speaker 2: we have to play by their crazy rules, then they've
• 23:12
  Speaker 2: got to apply to the situations in which one of
• 23:15
  Speaker 2: ours gets hurt like a Trump, whether it's Milania or Donald.
• 23:20
  Speaker 2: If Roseanne Barr has to go, so does Jimmy Kimmel.
• 23:23
  Speaker 2: If Chris Harrison, the host of The Bachelor has to
• 23:27
  Speaker 2: get fired, notwithstanding his self flagellation and long apology for
• 23:32
  Speaker 2: simply saying a contestant who got in trouble because she
• 23:35
  Speaker 2: went to a Deep South party years earlier? Are we
• 23:38
  Speaker 2: judging her by today's standards? Are we judging her by
• 23:40
  Speaker 2: the standards that were in place? Then that's all he said.
• 23:42
  Speaker 2: That's literally all he said, and they fired him after
• 23:46
  Speaker 2: twenty years on the air, one of the most valuable assets.
• 23:49
  Speaker 2: He got fired after self flagellating and apologizing. That's what
• 23:53
  Speaker 2: self flagellation and apology gets you, trust me, I know.
• 23:56
  Speaker 2: And so if he has to go, if Roseanne has
• 23:58
  Speaker 2: to go, if Gina Karan, who worked for Disney, to
• 24:01
  Speaker 2: go because of one tweet suggesting what they do to
• 24:04
  Speaker 2: conservatives now by having their friends and neighbors attack them
• 24:07
  Speaker 2: is akin to what we saw during the Holocaust time
• 24:10
  Speaker 2: where they turned neighbors on the Jewish residents. If she
• 24:13
  Speaker 2: has to go, losing her entire career at Disney, then
• 24:17
  Speaker 2: so does Jimmy Kimmel.
• 24:18
  Speaker 3: I'm sorry.
• 24:19
  Speaker 2: And by the way, he was basically on probation anyway
• 24:22
  Speaker 2: after his ridiculous barb against Charlie Kirk suggesting it was
• 24:25
  Speaker 2: a MAGA member who killed him. Who's joking about the
• 24:29
  Speaker 2: Charlie Kirk assassination to begin with, before Charlie was even
• 24:33
  Speaker 2: cold in the ground, So that was a wrong and
• 24:36
  Speaker 2: b to blame it on a MEGA member when MAGA
• 24:38
  Speaker 2: was still grieving and hurting.
• 24:40
  Speaker 3: Then they let him get away with that.
• 24:41
  Speaker 2: They treated him the Left did, like Rosa Parks after
• 24:43
  Speaker 2: five days off the air, And so he should have
• 24:46
  Speaker 2: been on some sort of probation in some form of
• 24:51
  Speaker 2: effect anyway, and on the heels of that, he makes
• 24:54
  Speaker 2: another inappropriate assassination quote joke.
• 24:58
  Speaker 3: I don't think this is any sort of quagmire for ABC.
• 25:02
  Speaker 3: I think it's a no brainer. He's got to go.
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: Billy Bush was fired for eleven years prior laughing at
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: an inappropriate joke made by Trump, he was fired. I mean, so,
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: I'm not sure I understand. Listen, you and I are
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: not here to advocate for his arrest. We don't want
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: him to be prosecuted for saying something on ABC. We want,
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: as you said, an even playing field. It's it's gotta
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: be good for Ozana. Okay, that sucks. She got fired,
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: she lost her whole career. She's coming back, thank god.
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: But I get it as long as Jimmy Kimmel is
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: gone too. He doesn't go when Charlie Kirk is assassinated.
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: As you said, he's not gonna go now. And he
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: doubles down last night, Megan, I don't watch this, fool,
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: but people send me the videos. He says it again,
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: and the numbskulls in the audience laugh at the non
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: funny joke again. And had he made jokes about Jill Biden,
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: doctor Jill great Surgeon General. According to Woody Goldberg, if
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: he made that joke about doctor Jill, who's much younger,
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: much more cognizant than Joe Biden. Now maybe I get it.
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: You used the same sucky joke on two different presidents,
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: all right, but that's not what he did. The guy,
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: as you said, at his heart of hearts, wants this
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: guy gone. He doesn't have a right to appear in ABC.
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: He doesn't have a right to have that show, which
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: is not funny. He doesn't have the right to be
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: above what you and I are held to, which is
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: a very different standard. If you and I said something
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: like that about Obama, come on, you know what I mean.
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: I mean, I don't even play.
• 26:25
  Speaker 3: The whole thing.
• 26:26
  Speaker 1: Go ahead.
• 26:28
  Speaker 2: So he goes out there last night and he says, oh,
• 26:30
  Speaker 2: you know, once again, I woke up to a Twitter
• 26:34
  Speaker 2: vomit storm and the first lady calling for me to
• 26:38
  Speaker 2: get fired.
• 26:38
  Speaker 3: Okay, he loves it.
• 26:39
  Speaker 2: So, first of all, I had my own little Twitter
• 26:45
  Speaker 2: vomit storm, Jimmy, and it wound up costing me my
• 26:48
  Speaker 2: job at NBC.
• 26:49
  Speaker 3: What did I say?
• 26:50
  Speaker 2: I said when I was a kid in the nineteen
• 26:52
  Speaker 2: seventies wearing blackface Halloween costumes, meaning when you just tinted
• 26:56
  Speaker 2: your skin to look like a Michael Jackson or a
• 26:57
  Speaker 2: Michael Jordan or Diana Ross, wasn't controversial, you wouldn't get
• 27:01
  Speaker 2: you wouldn't get canceled for that. That is literally all
• 27:04
  Speaker 2: I said on NBC. That's it. I twisted in the
• 27:09
  Speaker 2: wind for days and then lost my show and left NBC.
• 27:12
  Speaker 3: Did he come.
• 27:13
  Speaker 2: Forward at the time when my Twitter mob, my vomit
• 27:15
  Speaker 2: squad was coming for me to say, you know what,
• 27:17
  Speaker 2: She's right? I know because I, Jimmy Kimmel, wore black face. I,
• 27:22
  Speaker 2: like Megan Kelly, only talked about it. I wore it
• 27:25
  Speaker 2: repeatedly and in a fat suit to be Oprah spoken ebonics,
• 27:30
  Speaker 2: to sound like Karl Malone, like in the most incendiary, diminishing,
• 27:34
  Speaker 2: demeaning ways possible.
• 27:36
  Speaker 3: I did it. I did it repeatedly. So she's not
• 27:38
  Speaker 3: wrong because that was in the nineteen seventies. I was
• 27:41
  Speaker 3: doing that. That was the twenty tens. It wasn't that
• 27:44
  Speaker 3: long ago.
• 27:44
  Speaker 2: So maybe lighten up on Megan Kelly for just observing
• 27:47
  Speaker 2: that people like me have been doing it repeatedly in
• 27:49
  Speaker 2: recent history. He kept his mouth shut. Joe Pegs because
• 27:54
  Speaker 2: he wanted to watch me twist in the wind. He
• 27:56
  Speaker 2: didn't have any compassion about the vomit mod mob on
• 27:59
  Speaker 2: Twitter coming.
• 28:00
  Speaker 3: For a fellow broadcaster.
• 28:01
  Speaker 2: He enjoyed it because he understood that my politics were
• 28:04
  Speaker 2: very different from his, so f him. I don't feel
• 28:07
  Speaker 2: sorry for him that he had a Twitter mob, and
• 28:09
  Speaker 2: I don't feel sorry for him that the first lady
• 28:12
  Speaker 2: thinks he should be fired.
• 28:13
  Speaker 3: He brought this on himself.
• 28:15
  Speaker 2: His time there is extended, beyond the pale, beyond any
• 28:20
  Speaker 2: time in which a decent, upstanding news network would allow it.
• 28:24
  Speaker 2: He should have been gone last September when he said
• 28:26
  Speaker 2: what he said about Charlie. He should be fired because
• 28:29
  Speaker 2: he's a terrible person. He's not funny, and he's turned
• 28:32
  Speaker 2: late night comedy into nothing of the sort. It's just
• 28:35
  Speaker 2: a political hit job now, and so when you get
• 28:38
  Speaker 2: it in return, you shouldn't be surprised.
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, like I said earlier, he loves it. He
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: loves it. He's the guy that did that whole fake
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  Speaker 1: torquing woman who fell through the glass table. That was him.
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  Speaker 1: He does it for the hits. He does it for
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  Speaker 1: the virality, and he thinks that that makes him right
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  Speaker 1: and of course he doesn't make him right. I don't
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  Speaker 1: know that you and I ever have, either in person
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  Speaker 1: or in this format be a video, talked about this.
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  Speaker 1: But I want to say something that I'm not sure
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  Speaker 1: anybody's ever said about the blackface comments that you made
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  Speaker 1: on NBC. Blackface was racist because black people in the
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  Speaker 1: twenties and thirties weren't being hired for jobs, and then
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  Speaker 1: white people were dressing up like them to act like
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  Speaker 1: them or to act the stereotypical like a black person would,
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  Speaker 1: whether it was Al Jolson singing or some band members playing.
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  Speaker 1: They wouldn't let black people work in the clubs, and
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  Speaker 1: then they would make fun of them. What you were
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  Speaker 1: talking about was what Jimmy Kimmel did, You want to
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  Speaker 1: act like you're somebody who is a darker tone. You've
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  Speaker 1: got to darken your skin. Nothing you said was racist,
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  Speaker 1: and it was so non related to what really happened
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  Speaker 1: in this country, generally speaking, by democrats in Hollywood making
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  Speaker 1: fun of black people while they shut them out of
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  Speaker 1: the entertainment business. So what you said and did all
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  Speaker 1: those years ago had nothing to do with race, and
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  Speaker 1: Al Roker has to get out of his ivory Tower
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  Speaker 1: before he ever opens his mouth on the attention of
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  Speaker 1: Megan Kelly when she's talking about people looking like or
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  Speaker 1: dressing like or doing a Halloween costume. That is somebody
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  Speaker 1: who is a darker tone. Give me a break.
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  Speaker 2: They made it sound like I wanted to bring back
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  Speaker 2: minstrel show blackface, the kind Ted Danson woar with Whoopy
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  Speaker 2: Goldberg right next to him, the kind Sarah Silverman war.
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  Speaker 3: Absolutely not the whole segment that I got in trouble for.
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  Speaker 2: We were talking about a woman who was on the
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  Speaker 2: Real Housewives of New York, Luanne, who was dressing like
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  Speaker 2: Diana Ross and basically just had a lot of self
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  Speaker 2: tanner on. She really wasn't even that dark. She just
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  Speaker 2: looked a little bit more brown than she normally does.
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  Speaker 2: That's what we were talking about. And by the way, who
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  Speaker 2: aired that. Who aired the video of Luanne walking around
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  Speaker 2: with the so called blackface? NBC Ravo is owned by NBC,
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  Speaker 2: so it was like she was just observing.
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  Speaker 3: Okay, you know people used to do this.
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  Speaker 2: They made it sound like I want and Al Roker,
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  Speaker 2: that disgusting turd, actually had the nerve to go out
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  Speaker 2: there and say I needed to do a better apology
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  Speaker 2: and need to racialize my apology because it didn't meet
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  Speaker 2: his high standards. I was standing steps away from Al
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  Speaker 2: Roker on the Today Show set in Halloween I twenty
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  Speaker 2: and seventeen when he was dressed as Willie Nelson and
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  Speaker 2: his skin was a lot whiter than it actually is.
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  Speaker 3: So which is it?
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  Speaker 2: Al?
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  Speaker 3: We can tint our skins for Halloween or we can't.
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  Speaker 2: You can go lighter, but Luanne can't go a little tanner.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, walk me through who's racist? Because I'm starting
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  Speaker 2: to lose the thread. He's disgusting. He's the angriest, nastiest
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  Speaker 2: person at NBC. They don't want you to know that
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  Speaker 2: because he's supposed to be the fat, jolly Weatherman, and
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  Speaker 2: with every pound he lost, his sense of humor went
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  Speaker 2: out the door as well.
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  Speaker 1: He was great when David Letterman used to make fun
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  Speaker 1: of him on that show. I thought that's when that
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  Speaker 1: was when Al Roker was the guy that we all
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  Speaker 1: sort of tuned into and thought was Okay. It turns
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  Speaker 1: out because of what happened to you, we now know
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  Speaker 1: who the guy is. And by the way, maybe it's
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  Speaker 1: lost on everybody who's watching and listening, but there's a
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  Speaker 1: movie called White Girls. Can I do a movie called
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  Speaker 1: Black Girls and then darken my skin and act like
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  Speaker 1: a black woman? I don't think so. So the double
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  Speaker 1: standard is alive and well, and it makes me sick.
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  Speaker 1: What's gonna happen with Jimmy Kimmel is maybe's he going
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  Speaker 1: to get the clue and read the room and say
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  Speaker 1: he's got to go? Or does he contact.
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  Speaker 2: Something's going to happen. Really nothing, nothing's going to happen
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  Speaker 2: to him. No, as you well know, the rules for
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  Speaker 2: them are different than they are for us, you know.
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  Speaker 2: And you've got conservatives right now because the people I
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  Speaker 2: really like who are like, oh, he doesn't he shouldn't
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  Speaker 2: get you know, he shouldn't get fired because they're standing
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  Speaker 2: up for free speech. Of course, you and I agree.
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  Speaker 2: In a vacuum, he shouldn't get fired. In a vacuum,
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  Speaker 2: you don't fire comedians for telling off color jokes.
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  Speaker 1: Not a valcuum.
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  Speaker 2: The whole system has been set up by the leftists,
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  Speaker 2: and the leftists will continue to punish our side and
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  Speaker 2: our side alone, unless we make them have a uniform
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  Speaker 2: system when it comes to both of us.
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  Speaker 3: That's why he has to be fired. He must go.
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  Speaker 3: Do you really think that if a right winger came along.
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  Speaker 2: And said something as offensive on Jimmy's show about the
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  Speaker 2: next Democrat president, that the network wouldn't ban that person
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  Speaker 2: for life.
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  Speaker 3: They will.
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  Speaker 2: They still have the same double standard in effect. And
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  Speaker 2: that's why we have to demand that everybody be held
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  Speaker 2: to the same absurd heights, or it's just to be
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  Speaker 2: us who pay the price.
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  Speaker 1: I always love seeing you. I always love you. Coming on,
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  Speaker 1: let me finish with this and then I'll let you go.
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  Speaker 1: Thanks for making the time another You've already worked today,
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  Speaker 1: and I'm sure the show is amazing. I can't wait
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  Speaker 1: to check it out later. When Hakeem Jeffries comes out,
• 33:12
  Speaker 1: the minority leader in the House of Representatives, and he
• 33:13
  Speaker 1: goes on and on about what a filthy, disgusting liar
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  Speaker 1: Caroline Levitt is, who's about to give birth and who's
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  Speaker 1: never done anything but support the White House and the
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  Speaker 1: president's agenda. When he says that he talks about all
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: out war, and when somebody said, are you willing to
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  Speaker 1: back off that rhetoric?
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  Speaker 4: Now?
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  Speaker 1: Absolutely not. This is all out war on the other side,
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  Speaker 1: When somebody, by the way, I think to me, he
• 33:34
  Speaker 1: looks like a villain who would be drawn in the
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  Speaker 1: show of the Simpsons. Just the way his eyes are.
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  Speaker 1: It's almost like Matt Groening wrote him. But having said that,
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: what about this guy that the Democrats have selected as
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  Speaker 1: the leader of their movement in the House, and should they,
• 33:47
  Speaker 1: god forbid, get the House in November, he's going to
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  Speaker 1: be the Speaker of the House. What do you think
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  Speaker 1: about his reaction two days later after another assassination attempt.
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  Speaker 3: I think he's awesome. I think he presents them perfectly.
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  Speaker 2: I think it's great to have somebody in that role
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  Speaker 2: who shows us exactly who they are, because I see
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  Speaker 2: his people all over x and Instagram and all social
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  Speaker 2: media every day, the blue haired weirdos out of Minneapolis
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  Speaker 2: and the young white liberal who's crying her tears on
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  Speaker 2: camera about how they missed and they didn't actually take
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  Speaker 2: Trump out. These are not outliers. These freaks who want
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  Speaker 2: Trump dead, and you and me and all of your
• 34:29
  Speaker 2: audience right now, who would happily watch us suffer and
• 34:33
  Speaker 2: die at the hands of a political assassin, we might
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  Speaker 2: as well see that represented in their leadership.
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  Speaker 3: So it's not a headache.
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  Speaker 2: So it's not like somebody who seems kind of sweet,
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  Speaker 2: like a Democrat like Dan Turntine, who I really love,
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  Speaker 2: he's a doll, and in the office representing them. And
• 34:52
  Speaker 2: then the real base that we see everyplace else that
• 34:54
  Speaker 2: wants us to great good, show us who you are.
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  Speaker 3: I appreciate that, you know what.
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  Speaker 2: It's more honest and I can deal with it, you know,
• 35:01
  Speaker 2: face to face, as opposed to just the in the shadows.
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  Speaker 2: Lean in, hakeem, go for it. Chuck Schumer submitted to
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  Speaker 2: this long ago. Might as well give all the Democrat
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  Speaker 2: leadership over to it.
• 35:11
  Speaker 1: One of the many reasons I love you, Megan Kelly,
• 35:13
  Speaker 1: go and follow her everywhere at Megan Kelly Everywhere. Check
• 35:16
  Speaker 1: out the daily podcast, which is dominating and should continue
• 35:19
  Speaker 1: for here on out to dominate. Your perspective on that
• 35:23
  Speaker 1: just completely opened my eyes. You're right. Let him keep
• 35:26
  Speaker 1: on doing it. Find every camera, find every microphone you can,
• 35:28
  Speaker 1: and hakeen, keep being hakeeen. Megan. I can't thank you
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  Speaker 1: enough for finding the time and how busy you are.
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  Speaker 1: Let's do it again very soon, my friend.
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  Speaker 3: Thank you, Thank you, Joe. It's always great to see you.
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  Speaker 3: I appreciate it.
• 35:38
  Speaker 1: You're amazing. That's it, friend shaking it, un Afraid with
• 35:40
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