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Laser Therapy for Pets with Chronic Illness | Ep. 18 with Dr. Marlene Siegel · The Light Medicine Podcast

• 0:00
  SPEAKER_00: This dog, every time it was going to the bathroom, it was screaming in pain when it had a bowel movement.
• 0:04
  SPEAKER_00: And so they went to the veterinarian.
• 0:05
  SPEAKER_00: The veterinarian put their finger up the dog's rectum and felt a mass.
• 0:09
  SPEAKER_00: And so they immediately said, Oh, your dog has cancer and you should just put it to sleep.
• 0:13
  SPEAKER_00: I go in to get my biopsy and there's no mass.
• 0:17
  SPEAKER_00: And I thought, okay, where did it go?
• 0:19
  SPEAKER_00: And I'm feeling around.
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  SPEAKER_00: I thought maybe it because of the angle it fell forward a little bit.
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  SPEAKER_00: There was no mass.
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  SPEAKER_00: And then when I woke her up, it came back again.
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  SPEAKER_00: And that's when I realized it was actually the colon that was prolapsing.
• 0:34
  SPEAKER_00: It was folding over on itself because that pelvic floor was so weak, she wasn't able to uh keep everything in place where it was supposed to be.
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  SPEAKER_00: So I started using the laser and ozone and exercises to strengthen the dog's pelvis, but I was putting the laser into the rectum and doing light activation in the rectum.
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  SPEAKER_00: Within one week, she stopped prolapsing.
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  SPEAKER_00: She uh had no more pain having bowel movements.
• 1:03
  SPEAKER_00: The blood that she was having with her bowel movements went away.
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  SPEAKER_00: And we are now over a year down the road, and this dog is not under any therapy anymore, and she is back to being perfectly normal.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, hello everybody, and welcome to a new episode of our Light Medicine Podcast.
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  SPEAKER_01: So this is the first episode today after a short summer break.
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  SPEAKER_01: But I'm very happy and honored that I have a very dear friend and colleague from the US as our guest again.
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  SPEAKER_01: Um it's Marlene Siegel from Florida.
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  SPEAKER_01: She's a very innovative, integrative veterinary doctor with a lot of experience in photobiomodulation and photodynamic therapy.
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  SPEAKER_01: But yeah, thanks for being our guest today.
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  SPEAKER_01: And let's start uh with you um telling us a little bit about yourself, about your background, and yeah, let's start like this.
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  SPEAKER_00: Thank you, Robert, for having me.
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  SPEAKER_00: So, background, I've been practicing veterinary medicine for 41 years.
• 2:10
  SPEAKER_00: And I started doing integrative medicine about 25 to 30 years ago because one of my own horses and my youngest daughter were involved in a horseback riding accident.
• 2:20
  SPEAKER_00: And the horse literally saved my daughter's life.
• 2:22
  SPEAKER_00: When the horse reared in the air, my daughter was still hanging from the reins, trying not to fall off, and the only thing she could balance herself with was the reins, which were pulling the bit that was in the horse's mouth and literally pulling the horse over backwards.
• 2:36
  SPEAKER_00: So this horse somehow was able to squat down on its left hind leg and push itself as hard as it could possibly push while being pulled over by my daughter to the right.
• 2:47
  SPEAKER_00: And my daughter was falling or kind of slipping off to the left.
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  SPEAKER_00: When the horse hit the ground, you could not see space between horse and rider.
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  SPEAKER_00: The number one cause of a rider's death is a horse crushing them when they have that kind of an accident where they rear and they fall over.
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  SPEAKER_00: So when I jumped over the rail and I was running towards my daughter, I truly did not know what I was gonna find.
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  SPEAKER_00: In that few seconds, the horse was able to catch her breath and get back up, and my daughter was still on the ground, not moving.
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  SPEAKER_00: So when I got there, I called her name and she opened her eyes, and by the grace of God, she did not hurt anything except her pride.
• 3:22
  SPEAKER_00: But that wasn't the end of the story for the horse because when we got home, we had a few more incidences where it looked like she was having some kind of a seizure going up her left shoulder and into her neck.
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  SPEAKER_00: So I had equine veterinarians come out and look at her, and they said, We're really not sure what's wrong with her, but we'll tell you she is not safe to ride.
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  SPEAKER_00: She'll never be shown again, and you can put her out to a pasture for the rest of her life, or you can put her down.
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  SPEAKER_00: This horse was a United States national champion in open divisions.
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  SPEAKER_00: She was a Canadian national champion in open divisions.
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  SPEAKER_00: She most importantly saved my daughter's life and was taking a little 10-year-old safely around the arena.
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  SPEAKER_00: So not fixing this horse was not an option.
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  SPEAKER_00: And I started my quest then to find answers literally where answers did not exist.
• 4:17
  SPEAKER_00: So what it ended up being was that she was not having her teeth properly floated, and horses' teeth grow spurs, and it was locking her jaw in a way where she couldn't bend her neck to do her particular show service.
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  SPEAKER_00: So she was developing arthritis all up and down her neck.
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  SPEAKER_00: Well, it was causing her so much pain that it would literally go into spasms.
• 4:43
  SPEAKER_00: So no one had a solution at that time, and so I started doing things like chiropractic work, acupuncture, laser therapy, and I made a promise, and this is really where my pivotal change in practice came, is that I made a promise to never utter the words, there's nothing more that we can do to anybody ever again.
• 5:06
  SPEAKER_00: Now, to make that kind of a promise, you have to have a big enough toolkit that you always have something that you can use.
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  SPEAKER_00: And that doesn't mean that I'm making the promise that we're all gonna live forever.
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  SPEAKER_00: Obviously, that's not the case.
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  SPEAKER_00: We're making the promise that we won't stop just because our toolkit is too small or because I don't have enough knowledge.
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  SPEAKER_00: So that set me on a journey to always find solutions, and that led me uh to many different arenas, but one in particular was the Weber Company for its ability to do photodynamic therapy and low-level light therapy.
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  SPEAKER_00: And it made a lot of sense to me when I started doing the modalities that we're light beings, but we're light deficient because of the world and the lifestyle that we're leading.
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  SPEAKER_00: And so, what if we could use these modalities to replace some of the more toxic solutions that our modern allopathic world was creating?
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  SPEAKER_00: As an example, antibiotics.
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  SPEAKER_00: So in the allopathic world, everything's treated with an antibiotic.
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  SPEAKER_00: Even if it's not an antibiotic-responsive disease, many practitioners on the human and veterinary side don't take the time to find out what the actual root cause of the problem is, and they just pacify the owner or the person with an antibiotic, and if they get better, great, they think they did some good.
• 6:33
  SPEAKER_00: In many cases, the antibiotic probably did more harm than it did good, and nobody even thought about it.
• 6:38
  SPEAKER_00: But we're entering an era where antibiotics have less than 10 years left as a tool in our modern world because there is so much antibiotic resistance happening.
• 6:48
  SPEAKER_00: So all these factors came together.
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  SPEAKER_00: I needed safe and effective tools, I needed to replace some of the things that were not going to be available in the near future, like antibiotics, and most importantly was the efficacy.
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  SPEAKER_00: I needed something that was really going to work.
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  SPEAKER_00: So as I started working with the Weber laser, both topically, intravenously, intra-articular, intralesional, meaning that laser can go anywhere in the body and have its efficacy.
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  SPEAKER_00: So that brought me here.
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  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it's been quite some years now.
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  SPEAKER_01: Do you uh or do you actually remember how you basically found us or how we got connected in the beginning?
• 7:33
  SPEAKER_00: I did.
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  SPEAKER_00: Um, so it was your US rep that was at a conference that I was at, and a friend of mine who also knew that rep introduced us, and I heard just a little bit about it, and I said, I have to have that.
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  SPEAKER_00: And it I never even questioned cost.
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  SPEAKER_00: I didn't even ask.
• 7:51
  SPEAKER_00: I just said, I have to have that, and we have to figure out how to make it work on animals because there was nobody doing it on animals.
• 7:58
  SPEAKER_00: There was one veterinarian who did have the laser, but he was only using it topically.
• 8:03
  SPEAKER_00: He wasn't using it intravenously or intralional or intra-articular.
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  SPEAKER_00: So I remember going to the very first conference.
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  SPEAKER_00: I had done my training and I had the unit, and I was watching him do a demonstration on stage with the cat, but he was using it as a topical, the shower head, he was just using it topically, and I had already been using it intravenously.
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  SPEAKER_00: So my very first case that I did in the U.S.
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  SPEAKER_00: was a dog with osteosarcoma, which is a bone cancer.
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  SPEAKER_00: And we started using it intravenously, also intralesional.
• 8:35
  SPEAKER_00: So around where the bone cancer was, I was actually taking a needle and putting it in under the skin and then doing the lasering at that location, as well as all the medications that we were using to photoactivate.
• 8:50
  SPEAKER_00: And I'm sure your audience understands photoactivation, but just very briefly, we give a product that we can then make more enzymatically active by shining the light frequency that activates that molecule.
• 9:04
  SPEAKER_00: So it's basically the molecule itself has efficacy, but then when you light it up with the frequency, the appropriate wavelength, it becomes much more powerful.
• 9:16
  SPEAKER_00: And so that's what we do with our bone cancer case.
• 9:18
  SPEAKER_00: And it took us 10 months and his bone cancer resolved.
• 9:24
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, yeah, I remember you always show a lot of impressive cases um during your presentation.
• 9:30
  SPEAKER_01: So, first of all, and I also need to tell that it was also a big win, of course, for us to meet you because you're basically our pioneering veterinarian now.
• 9:39
  SPEAKER_01: Uh you're always lecturing at our conferences, present all those cases.
• 9:43
  SPEAKER_01: So we are also very grateful for that.
• 9:46
  SPEAKER_01: Um but yeah, let's um talk a little bit more about your integrative protocol.
• 9:51
  SPEAKER_01: So you know obviously that photobiomodulation, photodynamic therapy plays a big role, but which other um uh yeah things do you have in your toolkit?
• 10:02
  SPEAKER_00: So I have a system that I use, it's called my six steps.
• 10:05
  SPEAKER_00: And honestly, Robert, the very first step is we have to stop doing the things that are causing the disease.
• 10:12
  SPEAKER_00: And it sounds so simple and basic when you say it that way, and yet I have people that are in the very integrative world, you know, leaders in cancer therapy for humans, and they're still feeding their animals processed foods.
• 10:28
  SPEAKER_00: And they they'll as soon as I point it out, they'll go, Oh, you know, you're right, I wouldn't do that to a human, but I I didn't think about applying that to my pet.
• 10:38
  SPEAKER_00: So, step number one is we have to look at what we are feeding these animals because we can't continue to feed them these highly processed foods that are loaded with hormones, chemicals, pesticides, glyphosate, microplastics.
• 10:51
  SPEAKER_00: It's horrible and it's enzymatically dead, and it's truly the major contributor to their disease process.
• 10:58
  SPEAKER_00: We have to look at the water that we're drinking.
• 11:00
  SPEAKER_00: Water needs to be highly filtered and structured.
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  SPEAKER_00: If you have molecular hydrogen in it, it's a big plus, but at least highly filtered and highly structured because that's the body, that's the water that our bodies actually use.
• 11:13
  SPEAKER_00: And when we don't have that, we're just adding to that stress on the body because now you have all the toxins that are in water.
• 11:20
  SPEAKER_00: Something like over 85,000 toxins are in water, like your tap water.
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  SPEAKER_00: It's a crazy number.
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  SPEAKER_00: You would just, once you are aware of that, you would not take a glass from the tap and drink it or give it to your pet.
• 11:32
  SPEAKER_00: And then number three is all the household things that we use, you know, the cleaners and the things that are full of petroleums and that are estrogen mimicking compounds and their hormone disruptors, what we wash our laundry in, what we wash ourselves and our pets in, you know, all these things are affecting us.
• 11:51
  SPEAKER_00: Air quality, another huge area.
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  SPEAKER_00: Our homes now are built very airtight.
• 11:56
  SPEAKER_00: They're supposed to be so efficient, but they're so efficient that they're recirculating all the toxins that we have inside of them.
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  SPEAKER_00: And that includes microplastics, because if you have carpeting in your house and you're walking across the carpeting and you're aerosolizing little microparticles, the things that you're cooking with, you can be using forever chemicals that are coming off of your pots and pans, the dishes that you feed your pets in, most people, many people are using plastic bowls, and so they're getting microplastics.
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  SPEAKER_00: Uh, all of these things are contributing factors.
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  SPEAKER_00: And then the electromagnetic pollution that we're dealing with, the EMF, we have 5G.
• 12:36
  SPEAKER_00: I hear there's worse things on its way.
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  SPEAKER_00: We are not going to get rid of this stuff.
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  SPEAKER_00: We're going to have to learn how to mitigate the negative effects.
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  SPEAKER_00: And then the last step, and the things that we have to do differently, is the ants in our brain.
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  SPEAKER_00: And ants stand for automatic negative thoughts.
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  SPEAKER_00: We absolutely have a world that is full of stress and chaos and anxiety and frustrations and a lot going on.
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  SPEAKER_00: However, when we stay in that high sympathetic state, high fight, fright, all that stuff that is making us trying to survive, we are producing these neurochemicals that are communicating to ourselves that there's danger out there.
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  SPEAKER_00: And so they have a different expression, genetic expression, than they do when your body is communicating, oh, look, we're in nirvana, everything's happy and bliss, and we can focus our attention on other things.
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  SPEAKER_00: And why that's important to the pets is because they entrain to the energy that their pet parents are giving off.
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  SPEAKER_00: So if you come home and you're stressed out and you're frustrated, and the kids are doing whatever, and your spouse is having a fight and your credit card bills are high, all of that energy that you are creating, your pet is entraining to that.
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  SPEAKER_00: In fact, most people will recognize that when they're really upset, who's the one that comes over and puts their head underneath your hand and says, Here, pet me?
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  SPEAKER_00: Or they get on your lap and without even thinking, you start to hug them and pet them and you start to feel better, you start to get a little lighter.
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  SPEAKER_00: And it's because they are literally in training some of that energy and saying, Here, here's my big shoulder, my furry shoulder, uh I'll take some of that heavy load off of you.
• 14:21
  SPEAKER_00: So that is truly the most important thing that we can start with food, water, environment, your thoughts, and then mitigating EMF.
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  SPEAKER_00: Then we get into step number two, which is providing the essential nutrients.
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  SPEAKER_00: And again, we have to come back to the fact that most of our food grown at least in the US, I don't know about where you're at, but in the US is nutrient depleted.
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  SPEAKER_00: We have had horrible farming practices, monoclonal type of farming.
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  SPEAKER_00: So we're losing all the essential minerals that used to be in the soil.
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  SPEAKER_00: If it's not in the soil, then the plant's not going to have it.
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  SPEAKER_00: And when you eat that plant, you're not going to get those minerals.
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  SPEAKER_00: And then there's, of course, glyphosate, which blocks the shikamate pathway, a big fancy way to say we are not getting some of the uh amino acids that we need in order to be able to make neurotransmitters that help us to stay happy.
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  SPEAKER_00: So it's a very complex but simple concept here.
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  SPEAKER_00: We have nutrient depletion and we have to be able to supplement those essential nutrients.
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  SPEAKER_00: Those essential nutrients are the ones the body can't produce in sufficient quantity on its own.
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  SPEAKER_00: So we have to be able to take them in through our diet, which means a supplement.
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  SPEAKER_00: Easy peasy, it's just something that we're gonna have to live with.
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  SPEAKER_00: And then number three is we have to heal leaky gut.
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  SPEAKER_00: And leaky gut happens big time conversation in the human world, but it's a big conversation in the pet world.
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  SPEAKER_00: In fact, I had a client have to go to the emergency room with her dog.
• 15:49
  SPEAKER_00: She doesn't live in the in my state.
• 15:51
  SPEAKER_00: And in the history, my client put down that my dog has had leaky gut and all these skin allergies.
• 15:58
  SPEAKER_00: And it was a young veterinarian, and she said, Oh, what are you talking leaky gut?
• 16:03
  SPEAKER_00: Your dog doesn't have any GI symptoms, it doesn't have diarrhea or vomiting.
• 16:07
  SPEAKER_00: And so she this young veterinarian didn't even know that leaky gut contributes to all inflammation.
• 16:15
  SPEAKER_00: And inflammation just hits the weakest link in the body, which for many pets is going to be the skin, the ears, allergies, and osteoarthritis, of course.
• 16:24
  SPEAKER_00: So it was just interesting that we're not teaching our young veterinarians about truly bioregulatory medicine, is what I'm talking about.
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  SPEAKER_00: Understanding the root cause of disease and fixing it at the root cause.
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  SPEAKER_00: So then number four is detoxification.
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  SPEAKER_00: We have six organs of elimination.
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  SPEAKER_00: And these organs are the kidney, the colon, the lungs, the liver, the skin, and the lymphatics.
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  SPEAKER_00: I include the fascia with the lymphatics.
• 16:51
  SPEAKER_00: And it's important that we help support these organs of elimination because in our modern world, we're overburdening them.
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  SPEAKER_00: They just can't keep up with the toxic load and the deficiencies that are causing them to not be able to function well.
• 17:06
  SPEAKER_00: So once we start and helping these animals detoxify, then they can start processing all the things that they're being challenged with and they have a chance of actually getting better.
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  SPEAKER_00: Number five is the mitochondria.
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  SPEAKER_00: We cannot survive without mitochondria.
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  SPEAKER_00: They make energy for the body, but they also are the communication between themselves and the microbiome, all the beautiful little organisms that live in and on us, and they communicate what they're picking up that our emotions are telling them is what's happening, and then they're just the mitochondria are directing our cells what we want to have for gene expression.
• 17:44
  SPEAKER_00: And then number six is trapped emotions, because with all dis-ease, there are always trapped emotions associated with those diseases.
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  SPEAKER_00: So using the laser is a area where I incorporated into many of the detoxification process.
• 18:03
  SPEAKER_00: I incorporated into helping the mitochondria to function better because the light helps to make the mitochondria use its Krebs cycle and work more efficiently.
• 18:13
  SPEAKER_00: And of course, it light is what drives our entire body, even our emotions.
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  SPEAKER_00: So it's a complex yet very simple method for helping to say, am I supporting my body or my pet's body in the most sustainable way?
• 18:30
  SPEAKER_00: And by addressing those six points, you will make headway.
• 18:34
  SPEAKER_00: It sounds a little overwhelming because there's a lot that we just talked about, but I have people take a piece of paper, fold it in half, and then make a column A and a column B.
• 18:44
  SPEAKER_00: Column A, as you're listening to podcasts, this one, or any other learning area, start making a list of all the things that make sense that you should be doing, but you're not doing them yet.
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  SPEAKER_00: Column B are all the things you shouldn't be doing, but you still are.
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  SPEAKER_00: And so you make a list, not judgmental, it's your roadmap.
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  SPEAKER_00: It's a way to be able to see what do I need to do first.
• 19:06
  SPEAKER_00: And you pick one thing from column A that you aren't doing that you should be, and you start doing it.
• 19:11
  SPEAKER_00: You take one thing from column B that you shouldn't be doing and you just stop it, and you replace it with something that's more sustainable.
• 19:17
  SPEAKER_00: And before long, you're gonna see that you've within really weeks or months, you've made a massive impact on your pet's health and your own health as well.
• 19:27
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 19:29
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 19:29
  SPEAKER_01: Sounds like a very good, um, interesting approach.
• 19:32
  SPEAKER_01: So I guess Yeah, I think you're also teaching other um veterinarians, right?
• 19:37
  SPEAKER_01: And um Yes.
• 19:38
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 19:39
  SPEAKER_00: I have I have courses for pet parents as well, and then for veterinarians.
• 19:43
  SPEAKER_00: And I just actually spoke to a veterinarian last week, uh, one of a patient that we share mutually.
• 19:48
  SPEAKER_00: Uh the dog had gotten sick and had this dog had chronic diarrhea since birth, like it seemed, since the owner had purchased this dog.
• 19:57
  SPEAKER_00: And we had were able to actually help the dog have normal bowel movements again.
• 20:01
  SPEAKER_00: And then she was boarding at her veterinarians and ended up getting diarrhea again.
• 20:07
  SPEAKER_00: And the veterinarian was so cool because she said, she called me and she said, I don't want to do something that's gonna mess up what you've done because you were the only person that could actually clear this dog's diarrhea.
• 20:19
  SPEAKER_00: So what do you want me to do?
• 20:21
  SPEAKER_00: And we actually had a wonderful conversation and she was interested.
• 20:25
  SPEAKER_00: We do other things in addition to our light therapy.
• 20:28
  SPEAKER_00: We do ozone, we do hyperbaric oxygen, I do frequency medicine, we do halo therapy, which is salt room therapy.
• 20:36
  SPEAKER_00: There's so many other things, and of course, your nutraceuticals and your your diet and your supplements and all of that.
• 20:42
  SPEAKER_00: And you figure out, I think this is where I really wanted to go, is helping people to understand that we're not slapping spaghetti on the wall and seeing what sticks.
• 20:51
  SPEAKER_00: I'm going through a very methodical process of diagnosing the deficiencies and the toxicities that these animals have.
• 20:59
  SPEAKER_00: And that is a key component, and I think why my successes are so high is I first and foremost find out what the root cause of the problem is, and then I take this large toolkit that I have and I can apply it to actually fix the problem.
• 21:16
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 21:17
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, so let's talk a little bit uh more in detail about yeah, how impactful the laser is in your clinic from your point of view.
• 21:25
  SPEAKER_01: Where do you see the best indications?
• 21:27
  SPEAKER_01: Where do you feel like it really made a difference in your clinical work?
• 21:32
  SPEAKER_00: You know, I'm gonna say this and it's gonna sound kind of flippant, but I mean it sincerely.
• 21:38
  SPEAKER_00: It is one of my top three tools.
• 21:41
  SPEAKER_00: And almost every patient I deal with will benefit from the use of the laser, whether I'm using it as a low level light therapy or I'm using it to photo activate compounds so that they're more active.
• 21:56
  SPEAKER_00: Um topically, we use it for wounds.
• 22:00
  SPEAKER_00: For infections, for inflammation, and for irritation.
• 22:06
  SPEAKER_00: And then I want to share one of my cases.
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  SPEAKER_00: Of course, intravenously for cancer patients.
• 22:12
  SPEAKER_00: We use it intra-articular for animals that have cruciate ruptures or joint problems.
• 22:19
  SPEAKER_00: We inject a ozone and we inject PRP and platelets and different factors into these areas, and then we photoactivate it with the light therapy.
• 22:29
  SPEAKER_00: But this one case I really think is important because it's never ever been diagnosed in our industry.
• 22:36
  SPEAKER_00: It was a dog with pelvic floor dysfunction.
• 22:39
  SPEAKER_00: Big topic in the human world.
• 22:41
  SPEAKER_00: Many women understand pelvic floor dysfunction.
• 22:44
  SPEAKER_00: So basically, this dog, every time it was going to the bathroom, it was screaming in pain when it had a bowel movement.
• 22:50
  SPEAKER_00: And so they went to the veterinarian.
• 22:51
  SPEAKER_00: The veterinarian put their finger up the dog's rectum and felt a mass.
• 22:55
  SPEAKER_00: And so they immediately said, Oh, your dog has cancer and you should just put it to sleep.
• 22:59
  SPEAKER_00: Well, these people were not willing to accept that as an answer.
• 23:02
  SPEAKER_00: So they came to me for a second opinion and I put my finger in the dog's rectum and I did feel a mass, but I didn't know what the mass was.
• 23:09
  SPEAKER_00: We don't always have to call it cancer.
• 23:10
  SPEAKER_00: So I said, Well, we need to do a biopsy and see what this thing actually is.
• 23:14
  SPEAKER_00: So we did blood work and we got her set up to come in the following week.
• 23:18
  SPEAKER_00: I put her under anesthesia and I was going to take a biopsy of this mass, which is in the rectum.
• 23:23
  SPEAKER_00: So I had her on our surgery table tilted.
• 23:26
  SPEAKER_00: So imagine my elbow is the rear end of the dog and the head was my hand.
• 23:31
  SPEAKER_00: So I have the dog tilted like this so that I could work inside the rectum.
• 23:35
  SPEAKER_00: I go in to get my biopsy and there's no mass.
• 23:39
  SPEAKER_00: And I thought, okay, where did it go?
• 23:42
  SPEAKER_00: And I'm feeling around.
• 23:43
  SPEAKER_00: I thought maybe it because of the angle it fell forward a little bit.
• 23:47
  SPEAKER_00: There was no mass.
• 23:49
  SPEAKER_00: And then when I woke her up, it came back again.
• 23:52
  SPEAKER_00: And that's when I realized it was actually the colon that was prolapsing.
• 23:56
  SPEAKER_00: It was folding over on itself because that pelvic floor was so weak, she wasn't able to uh keep everything in place where it was supposed to be.
• 24:04
  SPEAKER_00: So I started using the laser and ozone and exercises to strengthen the dog's pelvis, but I was putting the laser into the rectum and doing light activation in the rectum.
• 24:17
  SPEAKER_00: Within one week, she stopped prolapsing.
• 24:22
  SPEAKER_00: She uh had no more pain having bowel movements, the blood that she was having with her bowel movements went away.
• 24:28
  SPEAKER_00: And we are now over a year down the road, and this dog is not under any therapy anymore, and she is back to being perfectly normal.
• 24:39
  SPEAKER_00: So, great example of how having a large enough toolkit enabled me to try something that had never been tried before.
• 24:49
  SPEAKER_00: And thank God it worked.
• 24:51
  SPEAKER_00: So that was a cool case.
• 24:53
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, quick question in between.
• 24:55
  SPEAKER_01: You said lasers in the top three, which are the other two?
• 24:59
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, ozone would be number one, and um I would say um ozone, hyperbaric oxygen, and my laser would be the the three things I use the most, but I also use pulse electricity.
• 25:20
  SPEAKER_01: Uh with Michael Ellenberg in one of the last episodes.
• 25:22
  SPEAKER_01: He's combining a lot of ozone with nasal therapy very successfully.
• 25:26
  SPEAKER_00: Yes.
• 25:27
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 25:27
  SPEAKER_00: And when you understand how the body works, it starts to make sense.
• 25:31
  SPEAKER_00: If we quit polluting it and doing the damage, then we start supporting the innate intelligence.
• 25:37
  SPEAKER_00: And I think that's something that everybody tends to forget, and many doctors actually don't appreciate, is that we are living in this intelligent machinery.
• 25:47
  SPEAKER_00: It's really smarter than we are.
• 25:49
  SPEAKER_00: And if we could just support it, step to the side, give it the things that it needs to fix, many things will get better.
• 25:56
  SPEAKER_00: Now we can't promise everything is going to heal, and we're certainly not all gonna live forever.
• 26:01
  SPEAKER_00: That was not the objective.
• 26:03
  SPEAKER_00: But quality of life is what we are striving for.
• 26:07
  SPEAKER_00: Above and beyond all else is quality of life.
• 26:11
  SPEAKER_00: And that means whether I am gonna live another day, another week, another hundred years, it needs to be with quality of life.
• 26:20
  SPEAKER_00: And so as I'm working on my patients, that's what I'm helping people to focus on is what kind of quality can we restore this animal to so that they can continue to live the longest and best life that is possible for them.
• 26:36
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 26:38
  SPEAKER_01: Um, yeah, maybe you can share some more of your um, yeah, you know, you always present very nice cases at your um at the conferences and your lectures, and you know, we probably have a lot of pet parents also listening here.
• 26:50
  SPEAKER_01: So yeah, just tell us a little bit more where do you see good success, even when it sounds difficult in the beginning, or tell us about your most impressive case report.
• 27:00
  SPEAKER_00: Um, so Tootsie was one of my most recent cases uh because I I this is one of my most recent cases, so you guys haven't even seen Tootsie yet.
• 27:09
  SPEAKER_00: And uh so Tootsie came to me with lymphoma, but Tootsie also had heart disease, she also had collapsing trachea, she had lung problems, she had chronic history of pancreatitis and GI diseases, so it was really a bag of problems.
• 27:24
  SPEAKER_00: But I was going to work on getting everything fixed.
• 27:27
  SPEAKER_00: So we did our workup on her.
• 27:29
  SPEAKER_00: She had massive amounts of mycotoxins, which are the toxic elements of fungus, and she had a lot of microplastics.
• 27:37
  SPEAKER_00: Her cancer markers were off the chart.
• 27:40
  SPEAKER_00: She had a lot of inflammation in the body, she had a lot of nutrient deficiencies.
• 27:44
  SPEAKER_00: So we start with ground level number one.
• 27:47
  SPEAKER_00: We start getting her organs of elimination working.
• 27:49
  SPEAKER_00: So we spent the first week and a half just helping her to detoxify.
• 27:53
  SPEAKER_00: And her parents didn't live in the state, so mom literally moved to Tampa to be with us for 10 weeks.
• 28:00
  SPEAKER_00: So every day she came into the clinic, we were doing detoxification.
• 28:03
  SPEAKER_00: Mom ended up buying an ozone machine and a hyperbaric machine so that she could, and I think she also bought a pulse electromagnetic frequency so that way she could continue the therapies on our off days.
• 28:15
  SPEAKER_00: And so she would do her therapies early in the morning and late at night, and then she came into me to do all the other things.
• 28:20
  SPEAKER_00: So in her, we changed her diet, we got her on a species-appropriate diet, we got her on all the essential nutrients, we put her on a lot of different nutraceuticals that aid the body's anti-cancer pathways, and then of course the laser therapy.
• 28:36
  SPEAKER_00: So with her, lymphoma causes the lymph nodes to get very large.
• 28:39
  SPEAKER_00: So we were not only giving her intravenous therapy, but we were also injecting the lymph nodes.
• 28:45
  SPEAKER_00: So we took a catheter, put it right into the lymph node, injected with exosomes and ICG, which is a really cool thing that your dad had come up with, and he's shared the protocols with me, and we're doing it on animals now.
• 29:00
  SPEAKER_00: So we're injecting it and injecting ozone, and then we're photoactivating it, and we did this for a total of 10 weeks.
• 29:07
  SPEAKER_00: So at the end of our nine weeks, Tootsie's lymph nodes were shrunk more than 75%, and we redid all of her abnormal values, we the cancer markers, her mycotoxins, and microplastic.
• 29:23
  SPEAKER_00: We did redid everything so we could see how much better she was getting.
• 29:27
  SPEAKER_00: Now, unfortunately, she developed a very, very severe case of pancreatitis, which also made her get a kidney infection, not a bladder infection, but a kidney infection.
• 29:39
  SPEAKER_00: And so she got super, super sick.
• 29:42
  SPEAKER_00: Even with that, we started treating her intravenously and treating the kidney infection, which by itself was life-threatening.
• 29:51
  SPEAKER_00: And within four days of intensive therapy, we were able to eliminate the kidney infection and get her back on course.
• 30:03
  SPEAKER_00: So that was a phenomenal success.
• 30:06
  SPEAKER_00: But here's where it took a turn because I left for Italy uh the next day, um, and it was the end of her 10 weeks, and so they were going back home.
• 30:15
  SPEAKER_00: Well, she still needed some ongoing care because she was just recovering from the kidney infection and the pancreatitis, and the veterinarians in her local area were totally allopathic, and they could not get past the diagnosis of lymphoma, and they just kept saying, Well, she has lymphoma, she's gonna die of her lymphoma.
• 30:36
  SPEAKER_00: And they couldn't even see the progress that we we had made in 10 weeks, and I got her cancer markers back, and her cancer markers were almost normal, which indicated that there was no active growing cancer.
• 30:49
  SPEAKER_00: Her lymph nodes were shrunk, not quite normal, but really small.
• 30:54
  SPEAKER_00: Maybe it was scar tissue left, I don't know.
• 30:56
  SPEAKER_00: But because they were just such doom and gloom, within a week of her leaving my care, she passed away.
• 31:05
  SPEAKER_00: And I it was just heartbreaking because they just couldn't get past the whole idea of is it possible to cure lymphoma without chemotherapy and radiation?
• 31:18
  SPEAKER_00: And the answer is yes, it is possible.
• 31:20
  SPEAKER_00: It takes a lot of work and it takes a mindset that has that ability to to believe something beyond what our belief systems have squashed us into.
• 31:31
  SPEAKER_00: And I want to say that again because if somebody asks me what is the most critical component of my pets getting better from whatever their disease is, it's gonna be belief system.
• 31:42
  SPEAKER_00: If an owner believes that they can get better, they do.
• 31:47
  SPEAKER_00: And if they believe that they can't get better, they won't.
• 31:52
  SPEAKER_00: So I had another lymphoma case, it was a large dog, and the dog was doing great, and the lymph nodes were shrinking.
• 31:58
  SPEAKER_00: And then it's Friday, they're talking about staying another two weeks, the dog is doing so well, and Saturday the dog stops eating.
• 32:07
  SPEAKER_00: By Sunday, mom is in a panic, they're going back, it's not working anymore.
• 32:12
  SPEAKER_00: In talking to her, I found out that she was putting all the medicine in the dog's food, which we had told her never to do, because if it doesn't taste good, they're not going to eat.
• 32:22
  SPEAKER_00: And so here, all the work that we had done undid because her belief system of fear and shame and blame and guilt and all this baggage that mom came with flooded back out in a moment without stopping to take a deep breath and going, okay, why is she not eating?
• 32:46
  SPEAKER_00: Is there a reason?
• 32:48
  SPEAKER_00: And sometimes it's a fixable reason.
• 32:50
  SPEAKER_00: She could have just stopped putting the medicine in the food.
• 32:53
  SPEAKER_00: But um, so they ended up leaving and they went and did conventional therapy, and then I I don't know what the outcome was, but uh, you know, I just wish them the best.
• 33:03
  SPEAKER_00: So, belief systems, I think, is the other piece that I really want to drive home for people is that we are inundated with belief systems that may not be our own.
• 33:13
  SPEAKER_00: In other words, when we're little, people are teaching us and we're watching modeling from our parents, our caregivers, our siblings, our neighbors, our teachers.
• 33:23
  SPEAKER_00: And so we develop these belief systems that are layered onto us that may actually belong to other people's history.
• 33:33
  SPEAKER_00: And then we come along and we start mimicking what we thought was the right belief system.
• 33:41
  SPEAKER_00: But a belief system is simply a thought married to emotion that you keep repeating.
• 33:45
  SPEAKER_00: So when I had to make the changes for my horse because I was not willing to accept that nothing more that could be done.
• 33:54
  SPEAKER_00: I just wasn't willing to accept, put her out to a pasture or put her down.
• 33:59
  SPEAKER_00: And so, because my belief system was so strong that something was possible, I found solutions where they did not exist.
• 34:08
  SPEAKER_00: It was totally open territory.
• 34:11
  SPEAKER_00: And to end the story, my little duo, my daughter and her favorite horse, they were best friends, went on five months later to win the United States Reserve Youth National Championship, which is the most prestigious horse show in the United States.
• 34:28
  SPEAKER_00: And I wanted to make sure that we all appreciated this story because it's something that we can all hold on to.
• 34:36
  SPEAKER_00: If if you're going through a challenge or your pet's going through a challenge, or it it's a loved one that you have, you don't have to accept there's nothing more that can be done.
• 34:48
  SPEAKER_00: You're just simply dealing with somebody who doesn't have a larger toolkit.
• 34:52
  SPEAKER_00: And so go seeking other answers.
• 34:55
  SPEAKER_00: It's out there.
• 34:56
  SPEAKER_00: You just need to find it.
• 34:57
  SPEAKER_00: And it may mean that we need to start believing something a little different about what's possible.
• 35:05
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, that's a great attitude.
• 35:07
  SPEAKER_01: It also actually the reason why I always forward people when they ask for yeah, even for hopeless cases with their pets, I always tell them, go reach out to you.
• 35:18
  SPEAKER_01: And um yeah, typically they're usually they are very happy with with the outcomes in the end.
• 35:24
  SPEAKER_00: Well, as at least with pet parents, one of the things that we as humans deal with is the feeling of guilt, guilt and shame.
• 35:31
  SPEAKER_00: And if a pet parent realizes that unknowingly, no nobody, nobody goes out there and intentionally causes cancer in their pet, right?
• 35:40
  SPEAKER_00: We don't intentionally harm our animals.
• 35:42
  SPEAKER_00: We love them and we want them to live the longest, healthiest life and be with us as long as possible.
• 35:47
  SPEAKER_00: But nevertheless, we do live in a world where our behavior and our lifestyles are causing disease.
• 35:55
  SPEAKER_00: We are living in the sickest time of the history of mankind.
• 35:59
  SPEAKER_00: So when people realize that they inadvertently contributed to there's a feeling of guilt that has to come with that.
• 36:08
  SPEAKER_00: You know, you just it's hard to go, oh, you know, it's a mulligan, I'm gonna just go on and get another one.
• 36:14
  SPEAKER_00: No, we don't do that.
• 36:15
  SPEAKER_00: So being able to try to fix it, being able to have a large enough toolkit that enables people to at least do the best that they can to try and help that animal.
• 36:29
  SPEAKER_00: If it doesn't work out, and eventually we all do leave, and at least at that point you can say, you know what, I've done my very best, and I don't have any regrets.
• 36:40
  SPEAKER_00: In fact, we just lost a wonderful patient of ours who did not die of her cancer, died of um a seizure, and um and uh and other problems that she had.
• 36:53
  SPEAKER_00: But um, you know, my daughter, who is the one that works very closely with me, she said, you know, mom, um, I get that somebody has to be the pioneer and somebody has to go out there and try new things, but it is so hard and it's so emotional, and it it's it really takes a lot out of us.
• 37:14
  SPEAKER_00: And I said, Yeah, but at the same time, we know that we are making a difference for all those coming behind us.
• 37:22
  SPEAKER_00: And so being a pioneer is hard.
• 37:26
  SPEAKER_00: You know, you have lots of tears and you have success and you have failures, and you have, I don't think there's any failures.
• 37:32
  SPEAKER_00: I'll take that word back.
• 37:33
  SPEAKER_00: I think there are challenges and and we learn, we have to learn every day.
• 37:38
  SPEAKER_00: We came into this human experience to grow.
• 37:41
  SPEAKER_00: We didn't come here just to be the same stagnant self.
• 37:44
  SPEAKER_00: We came to grow.
• 37:46
  SPEAKER_00: And being able to learn and accept challenges and work our way through them is truly the blessing of life.
• 37:55
  SPEAKER_00: And I I love learning, I love growing, and I love working with companies like you, like your dad.
• 38:01
  SPEAKER_00: He's my role model, you and him.
• 38:04
  SPEAKER_00: But to be a medical doctor and to do the things that he does, he's fearless.
• 38:09
  SPEAKER_00: He goes out there and he just he tries it because you know what?
• 38:13
  SPEAKER_00: That person had no other choice.
• 38:15
  SPEAKER_00: And if he didn't try it, they know what the outcome is gonna be.
• 38:19
  SPEAKER_00: You're gonna die.
• 38:20
  SPEAKER_00: So at least you're trying something that may extend that quality of life and maybe the actual cure someday for the world.
• 38:29
  SPEAKER_00: Who knows?
• 38:31
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I think this was actually a very nice closing remark here.
• 38:35
  SPEAKER_01: Um so coming towards the end, um, I usually ask my guests to share their contact information or whatever else you would like to share.
• 38:44
  SPEAKER_01: People uh if people may reach out to you, maybe your website, your socials, or whatever, uh, this is always helpful, especially when we have pet parents here listening today and they are looking for a good treatment option.
• 38:56
  SPEAKER_00: So drmarlenesiegel.com.
• 38:59
  SPEAKER_00: I think it's actually if you just look at my name on the thing, so it's all one word.
• 39:03
  SPEAKER_00: Drmarlenseagle.com is the hub of everything me.
• 39:06
  SPEAKER_00: I do I do uh long distance consultations.
• 39:10
  SPEAKER_00: Of course, I still am practicing clinician, so I still see cases at my office.
• 39:14
  SPEAKER_00: Uh, we do require that all of our pet parents, for consultation purposes and for exam purposes, that they do the empowered pet parent course that we have taught.
• 39:23
  SPEAKER_00: It's almost four hours, but it's really giving them the outline that I just shared with you, Robert, but in much more depth and detail.
• 39:32
  SPEAKER_00: So that way we're all on the same page.
• 39:35
  SPEAKER_00: Pet parents can now see what they are doing or not doing that they're gonna need to make some lifestyle changes.
• 39:42
  SPEAKER_00: And if they don't want to make those changes, then we don't have to go any further.
• 39:46
  SPEAKER_00: But if they do want to make those changes, then I'm there to support them and guide them along the path.
• 39:51
  SPEAKER_00: But it's a very deep dive into how can we really change the story of Earth School here.
• 40:00
  SPEAKER_00: And and that's the blueprint.
• 40:02
  SPEAKER_00: And it works for people and for animals because we're all living in the same toxic soup.
• 40:07
  SPEAKER_00: So as soon as we start making those lifestyle changes for our pets, we're making it for ourselves as well.
• 40:12
  SPEAKER_00: Air quality, water quality, etc.
• 40:16
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, very good.
• 40:17
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, so everybody who's looking for a good veterinarian, go and check the website.
• 40:22
  SPEAKER_01: But also for other veterinarians who want to learn um the protocols you are doing.
• 40:26
  SPEAKER_01: I think that's also a very valuable um connection here.
• 40:30
  SPEAKER_01: But yeah, anyway, you're also basically every time at our conferences as well.
• 40:35
  SPEAKER_01: So um yeah, go and join at our uh our Isla conferences.
• 40:40
  SPEAKER_01: Next one will be in Asia in Bangkok in October.
• 40:43
  SPEAKER_01: You will be there as well.
• 40:44
  SPEAKER_01: So we are very much looking forward to finally meet again and then yeah, next year probably in the US again.
• 40:51
  SPEAKER_01: Um yeah, so thank you, Malin, for your contribution today.
• 40:56
  SPEAKER_01: And yeah, we're looking forward to continue working together and continue with our pioneering work together.
• 41:04
  SPEAKER_00: Uh, I love you and your family, and yes, we are really making a difference in the world.
• 41:08
  SPEAKER_00: Thank you.
• 41:10
  SPEAKER_01: Thank you.