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From Illness to Insight: Stephen's Health Journey - Episode 361 · Gladden Longevity Podcast

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Again, I had good metabolic health numbers,
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a long history of optimal cholesterol levels,
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low inflammatory numbers, a coronary artery calcium score of zero
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six months prior to the heart attack,
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which puts you at less than one percent risk.
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So on paper I looked pretty good.
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There was no reason for them to be concerned and it still happened.
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Hey everyone, Dr. Gladden here.
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I just finished a conversation with a chiropractor,
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Dr. Stephen Hussey, who went through some childhood challenges with autoimmunity
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and then suffered a large heart attack at age 34.
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It's an interesting route that he's taken to figure out what was behind
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the issues and what his path forward is with regards to his health.
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One of the key components that we're going to talk about is structured water,
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Into the massive health benefits of maintaining this energized structured water
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He went from
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saving hearts as a cardiologist to writing the entire aging playbook.
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Dr. Jeffrey Gladden believes 100 is the new 30,
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This is the Gladden Longevity Podcast.
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Steven, welcome to the Glad Longevity Podcast.
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It's great to have you here. Looking forward to the conversation.
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Yes. Yeah.
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Great to be here. Thanks for having me.
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So walk us through a little bit your journey in terms of your medical career,
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having a cardiac situation at age thirty-four.
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I'm sure there's some twists and turns in this story here that
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the audience would appreciate understanding.
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Yeah. So I mean, from a very young age I I had a lot of what
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you would call inflammatory type conditions.
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At age two, I was diagnosed with asthma.
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I used to break out into hives all over my body,
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just some giant hives. I had asthma,
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~ Hero Bow syndrome, lots of different things.
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And so my family and I were just kind of relying on modern medicine
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to help us manage those conditions.
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At ~ age nine I was diagnosed with type one diabetes.
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So was in the hospital for a week learning how to manage that.
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And you know, their main approach was
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Give me medications, right? there was no advice on diet or anything like that.
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I was just take insulin when you need it,
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give me prednisone and various allergy medications for all that stuff.
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And it wasn't until college that I started to figure out that I could change
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my lifestyle, change the way I live my life and have a direct impact
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on these things. So I'm happy to say I got rid of all those inflammatory conditions.
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I would no longer consider myself asthmatic or anything like that.
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So how
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do tell us how you got rid of those inflammatory conditions?
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We know that, you know, childhood asthma,
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a lot of people quote unquote grow out of childhood asthma,
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things like that. So but it sounds like you were done doing something more
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conscientious and more specific.
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Yeah.
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At
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that time it was just diet changes.
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That's pretty much all I could control,
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really, being in college. I just could control what I ate.
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So I started eating more whole foods,
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started just getting rid of the toxins and things like that.
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So as far as those things, that's pretty much what I did there.
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And then so that got me thinking,
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like, well, no doctor ever told me that.
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Like it also just changing diet made it much easier to control type one diabetes.
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So it's like, well, no doctor told me that.
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So it was just
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Interesting.
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Yeah, it's fascinating what the the dearth of of actual just common sense.
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You know, you know, I mean, I was trained as an MD,
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right? So I know the I know the whole drill,
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but it's it's just interesting how it's such a pharma and procedural based mindset,
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quite honestly. Yeah, so you got into diet.
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Obviously that can make a massive difference on a lot of different things.
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So it didn't solve every problem for you though.
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It sounds like there were still some residual things going on.
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~ not really. I mean, I I mean not until much later.
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At that time, yeah, I got rid of all those inflammatory conditions aside from
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the type one diabetes. That was kind of collateral damage of that inflammation.
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So yeah, it still made it easier to control the type one.
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But that at that point I was curious.
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I was like, ~ I so I got passionate about kind of health and wellness.
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And you know, so after college I went and got a chiropractic degree and then
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I got a master's in human nutrition and functional medicine and just started kind
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of doing that. But I'd always kind of controlled my health with or attempted to live
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healthy lifestyle through diet and exercise.
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Those were my things. I could always control those.
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I ate a Whole Foods diet of varying types and I was always athletic and played
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a lot of sports. So I was always very active.
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And so I did that for you know the better part of 14 years.
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So what kind of sports did you play?
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I played soccer, played a lot of flag football in in college and and after college.
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I like to go hiking. I play golf.
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I played lots of different things.
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Did you start to notice some things with your blood sugar as
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you were playing athletics?
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No,
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not really. I mean, the more active I am,
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the more I can control it though.
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The more insulin sensitive I am for sure.
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I've noticed I noticed that, but I've been active my whole life,
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so that's doesn't hasn't really changed.
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I did notice though I did a my fourth grade science experiment was me going
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out and exercising and then testing my blood sugar before and after
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and seeing what would happen. And I remember learning in that time.
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I thought the experiment failed.
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I was so upset because I I would go out and I'd exercise and sometimes
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my blood sugar would go up because I hadn't administered any insulin.
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Right. And so without any insulin,
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it wasn't gonna respond and it wasn't gonna go down.
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~ but I thought the experiment failed.
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I was like, no, it's supposed to go exercise is supposed to make it go down.
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That's what they told me. But then my endocrinologist was like,
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No, this is actually a good experiment.
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You learned something in this.
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Right.
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Yeah, I was bringing that up because in a world of hyperglycemia,
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which high blood sugars of course can damage the body and high insulin
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can damage the body, both of them can and by different mechanisms.
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But yeah, people tend to think that exercise is good.
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But to your point, if you're insulin resistant,
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or in your case, insulin ~ devoid of insulin,
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then you know, one way or the other,
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if you're not able to get the increased blood sugar that's being released
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in response to the exercise into the muscles,
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then you know, blood sugar goes up.
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And now it's a problem. And I suspect that once you figured that out
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and you gave yourself some insulin before you would work out or play or exercise,
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that you would perform better because you'd have more nutrients to draw from.
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I don't know, maybe that's just a question mark.
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Maybe you can comment on that.
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Yeah, it just depends. If there was insulin present,
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like if I gave myself enough basal insulin,
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then I wouldn't want to do that because I would go low.
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Very sure. But
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Okay.
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if I was higher and and I would go work out or exercise,
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it might go even more higher because there's no insulin.
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It doesn't matter how much I worked out.
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There's no insulin present to to do that.
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So yeah, it's just kind of this game that us type ones have to play.
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We always have to be balancing those insulin levels with our activities,
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with our environment, our stress,
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all kinds of stuff. So it's definitely been interesting.
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throughout my life.
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This is interesting. So you're living with a condition,
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several conditions in childhood,
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and then a condition that persists even after you have your insights about nutrition
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and let's call it healthier lifestyle choices.
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What was the impact of that on you psychologically relative to your,
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you know, your friends in fourth grade or eighth grade or tenth grade
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or twelfth grade or college that didn't have to deal with those kinds of issues?
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Did that have any impact for you?
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I don't never remember
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thinking that it did. I don't ever ever remember thinking like that I felt
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bad for myself or sorry for myself or jealous of my friends.
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I didn't have to. I I just kind of did it.
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The the one thing that it did create though for me and my parents was that there
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was some tension. I mean I didn't I can't say I took care of myself in high school.
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You know, I had A one C's but I think it topped out at eleven at one point.
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Because I just didn't take care of myself and so
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Yeah, so normal would be like I mean good would be like five point one,
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five point two, four point nine,
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you know, somewhere in that range,
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right? So eleven is ~ is out of control essentially.
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Sure. Yeah. And so that was frustrating.
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So one one psychological or mental thing that it did create is like
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the struggle between my parents and I,
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because they would see that and be like,
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you know, you have to take better care of yourself.
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And what I learned from that though is that when I would take care of myself,
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it would get them off my back.
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And so it was like okay, it was like this it was like this thing that
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I learned that well, if I do own this and I do take care of it,
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then I'll get what I want, which is the for them to stop bothering me.
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So yeah.
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Yeah, interesting. I mean everybody grows up with challenges.
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I was just curious to see, you know,
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how that played out for you. One thing is it made you more health conscious
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at a younger age probably than your peers were,
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right? And some other things. So everything can end up being a gift.
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It depends on how we looked at it.
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So so take us through the next stages.
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What what happened after that?
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Well
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for the better part of you know whatever it was twelve years,
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~ fourteen years after college,
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I just lived a healthy lifestyle as much as I could.
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I'd avoid toxins, I'd manage my blood sugars as best I can,
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ate a whole foods diet, ~ always exercised.
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And then despite those efforts,
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despite having, you know, good metabolic health and a long history of,
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you know, quote unquote good cholesterol numbers and everything,
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I still had a widowmaker heart attack at the age of thirty four.
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There was nothing on paper that would have predicted that according
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to modern medicine.
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Again, I had good metabolic health numbers,
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a long history of optimal cholesterol levels,
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if you believe in there's a such an optimal level.
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And I had no low inflammatory numbers.
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I had imaging or at least a coronary artery calcium score of zero
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six months prior to the heart attack,
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which puts you at less than one percent risk.
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Doesn't measure soft plaque, but still measures the hard plaque.
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So on paper it looks pretty good.
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There was no reason for them to be concerned,
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and it still happened. So yeah,
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I like to point that out.
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Yeah, and I think
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traditional medicine, I won't call it modern medicine because I feel like what
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we practice is modern medicine,
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but in traditional medicine for sure,
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the surveillance testing and the risk assessments and things like that
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are so rudimentary that it's you know,
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many, many people fall through the cracks,
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right? How many times have people heard stories he just had
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a checkup and everything, you know,
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was great and then he died of a heart attack the next week?
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Right. So I think the world has come to understand that it takes more sophisticated
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analysis of what's happening to really understand what's going on.
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You can't just get it with cholesterol profile and a calcium score.
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Right. It's
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I would say that no testing could ever really a hundred percent determine your risk.
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Well, that's true too.
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That's true too. There is no there is no test that characterizes anything
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to a hundred percent. And I think it's important for the audience
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to understand that that each test is actually a lens,
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but it doesn't tell you no one test actually tells you what's going on.
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It's really putting the test together that allows something to kind
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of come into focus. And even then it can be a little bit more fuzzy
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or clearer depending on, you know,
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what kind of look you're able to get at it,
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right? So Yeah. So did they determine what the what the cause was
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for the widowmaker heart attack for you?
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No, they'll they'll never determine what it is.
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No one ever could tell me that.
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Okay, well let me just let me ask a couple of questions.
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So you're thirty four, where are you when this happens?
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in my house in the morning of the heart attack making making my first meal
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of the day is around ten, ten thirty.
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where did
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Okay. And what are your symptoms?
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they start? It was just from one second to the next,
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intense pain in the center of my chest.
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Okay, intense pain. And were you short of breath,
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breaking out in a sweat, things like that,
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or predominantly pain?
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remember being short
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of breath, no. ~ but yeah, I got really hot and flushed.
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I didn't sweat. Within about five minutes I called.
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Okay. And then you called nine one one?
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Yep.
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Yeah. And then they took you to the hospital and did they take you into
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the cath lab? Yep. Yeah. Okay.
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So this is where modern medicine is at its best,
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is in kind of emergency scenarios,
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right? This is where it kind of shines.
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So they took you into the cath lab.
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They found that you had an occluded left anterior descending artery,
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which would be the widowmaker arteries referred to.
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It's the reason it's called that is because that particular artery brings
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blood flow to the largest distribution of the heart of any of
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the three main arteries that feed the heart.
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So and it's in a very important location down the front.
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It also there's a four chambers in the heart,
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two main pumping chambers, and it supplies the majority of the blood
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to the the division between those two main pumping chambers.
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So you not only lose the free wall,
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but you lose the the septum, it's called the muscle in between the chambers,
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which is where all the electrical conductivity occurs.
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So it can be a
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Quite a devastating heart attack,
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both mechanically and electrically for ~ somebody having a heart attack like that.
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So did they go in and put a stent in or do balloon angioplasty or give
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you blood tenders, or what what actually happened?
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Angioplasty and a stent.
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they didn't enter classic.
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Okay. And you got to the hospital fairly quickly.
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So I'm thinking that you probably recovered quite well,
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that you have minimal damage to the heart,
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residual damage to the heart.
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Probably got to the hospital within an hour or two.
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Yeah. So that's kind of ninety minutes is kind of the sweet spot to getting it open.
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So do you know what your heart function is today?
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Is it normal? Is the anterior wall hypokinetic or is it contracting normally or
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I mean at the time of the heart attack,
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the day after the heart attack that did it echo and they they found that
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my ejection fraction had dropped to about thirty to thirty-five percent.
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Yeah,
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That's not
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severely akinetic, right? ~ as you would expect.
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And then three months after I've only had one echocardiogram since then,
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and that was three three to four months afterwards,
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and ~ my ejection fraction was up to fifty or was up to fifty-five percent.
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Yeah,
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That's also common, yeah.
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and it was also was only mildly hypokinetic.
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~
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Right. So that's that's a good outcome.
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Yeah, so that is a good outcome.
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So again, that's where quote unquote,
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you know, traditional slash modern medicine shines is being able
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to ~ treat emergencies like that.
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And it's very common for the heart to be stunned after not receiving blood flow.
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So it won't contract. But over three months,
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really over six weeks it can regain a lot of that function.
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They attribute it to the medications they prescribed,
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but I didn't take I only took a blood thinner for six months.
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I didn't take anything else.
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Yeah. Because the beta blocker has been shown to kind of rest the heart
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a little bit in a way that allows even fuller recovery.
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So they probably recommended something like COREG to you and then a statin,
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not a statin, but an angiotensin receptor blocker.
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Yeah, receptor blocker, an ACE inhibitor is also kind of unloads the heart.
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The idea after a heart attack like that is to decrease the w the workload
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of the heart to give it even more room to recover,
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right?
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Right,
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but I didn't take those things.
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I I didn't take any of them.
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And what was the thought process behind not taking them?
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Because
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side effects, especially the statin,
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there's no evidence, especially secondary prevention,
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that it does anything.
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Yeah, the statin's a different story altogether,
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but they probably recommended something other than the statin.
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So
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Right.
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They're the ACE inhibitor, beta blocker,
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maybe aspirin, blood thinner, menacein.
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And I took the blood thinner for six months because it was a a stint.
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And was there a reason not to take the beta blocker and then the East Inhibitor?
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Well, 'cause my
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blood pressure was fine. I know they're not treating blood pressure
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in that instance, but I took the ACE inhibitor or actually I don't remember which
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which yeah, it was ACE inhibitor for one night.
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I took it one night and I woke up in the middle of the night,
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my blood pressure was ninety over fifty.
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And I got up not fast because I had wires hooked to me and I got up to get
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up out of the bed to turn the thermostat down.
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I almost passed out. They wanted me on two.
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So I was like, This is not safe.
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So I decided not to do that. And I knew that there was other ways
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I could take pressure off my heart.
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Sure, they probably weren't aware of.
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So that's what I did. I did those things rather than that concoction of of sauna.
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What did you do to take pressure off your heart?
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The main thing was infrared sauna,
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infrared light has been shown to be incredible for people with heart failure,
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but also preventing heart failure,
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which is what they're trying to do is by taking pressure apart.
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So first I started using the sauna in my friend's basement,
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then I bought my own. I'm gonna start using that pretty much every day.
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That's an interesting
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thing because when I was training we were told to keep people out of
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a sauna and then the Japanese did studies demonstrating that sauna
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use in people with both peripheral arterial disease and clottication,
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which is pain in the legs when you walk,
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and also angina and also congestive heart failure actually all did better
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if they got sonic therapy. So that was a a switch in the in the dogma.
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But yeah, good for you for figuring that out.
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And were there other therapies that you did as well or what?
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Well, I like to point out to people that the things that stayed the same
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for me were a low carb animal based diet,
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what they would call high cholesterol and L DL levels.
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And my stress stayed about the same,
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maybe even got worse after a heart attack.
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But what I changed was yes, doing more infrared sauna,
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more sunlight, 'cause I thought thinking like,
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Well, if infrared light's good,
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where's the original sort of infrared light?
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And I like, It's the sun, so I got more sunlight and doing more grounding while
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my feet while I was out getting the sun,
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my feet were on the earth. And then I set my circadian rhythm,
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aligned my body to the day night cycle of the sun.
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And I took a few supplements for a year.
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I took wabine or strophanthus,
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which is another way to take some pressure off the heart,
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give my heart some parasympathetic signaling.
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And I took magnesium three and eight,
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which in hindsight I would have taken tornate,
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but
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took three and eight. I took serapeptase,
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which is an enzyme that can break down product product tissue.
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And I took a combination of or a powder that had a combination of L-arginine,
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citrulline, and taurine in it,
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which has been shown to be great for lining up with that blood vessels
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and nitric oxide and stuff like that.
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So I took those for about a year,
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even though my healing took about two years.
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So yeah, those are the things that I changed.
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I have no idea if those things resulted in the in the healing result that
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I got or if they were just would have happened
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normally I don't know, but these are things that changed,
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these are things that didn't change,
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and that's the experiment, the one person experiment that I did.
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Yeah. Well one of the things I think you mentioned that your diet
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was more animal protein based and I don't know how many plants were in that.
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Was it sort of like ~ plant based with animal protein,
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animal protein with a few plants,
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or what what did that look like?
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It was
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It was probably ninety percent animal foods.
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There's probably some plants in there,
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but it was primarily animal foods and low carb.
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It's because it's it's easier to control type one being low carb for me anyways.
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For sure. Yeah.
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So one of the things that the citrulline did for you,
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even more than the L-arginine and the taurine,
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was it kind of teed you up to make more nitric oxide.
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And nitric oxide, of course, is healing for the arteries and it also prevents other
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issues. So there's more to it now than that.
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We understand with a glycocalyx and having a healthy glycocalyx.
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So there's some supplements now that that you could take that would ensure that your
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glycocalyx stays intact. And that's actually the holy grail of arterial health,
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because when you have a healthy glycocalyx,
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which
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just like this fuzz that lines the inside of the artery,
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then it's repelling things from going into the artery,
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setting up plaque. It also stops clots from forming and it also signals
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the artery to make nitric oxide.
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And it's destroyed by by sugar,
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excess salt, and it's a little more vulnerable with higher fat diets.
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So if you're eating animal protein depends a little bit on the fat content.
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But yeah, so those are things that are that are interesting.
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Do you take any kind of a blood thinner still or not really?
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No, and and I would say that that the main thing I did to protect
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the glycocalyx was was build structured water on my arteries with infrared light.
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That's that's the main thing because structured water is well glycocalyx
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is the is the surface area for structured water to form and structured water
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is a negatively charged thing.
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So which is why the glycocalyx is negatively charged,
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is because of structured water.
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And then all the elements of blood,
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the lipoproteins, the red blood cells,
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also have structured water on them as long as we have enough energy to
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the system to build structured water.
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So they're negative.
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as well. So nothing really touches it because the like charges repel each other.
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So we're creating this nice, you know,
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anti-inflammatory, negatively charged situation
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That's right.
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in your bloodstream so that blood is flowing past the aligning
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the arteries protected, things aren't coagulating and clotting.
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Yeah, that's right. Yeah, that's very cool.
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So let's talk about structured water.
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Maybe you can just kind of walk us through that a little bit.
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Yeah.
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So I mean, we're all learn that that water exists in as ice,
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as liquid water and as steam. But there's actually kind of this fourth phase
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of water, they call it, this different state,
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this fourth state of water, and it's more like a gel.
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So it's kind of like the consistency of raw egg white.
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And most of the water in the body is in this gel like state.
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And there's many, many scientists that have come across this observation that water
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exists in this gel like state in the body,
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which is why, you know, I feel like a gel.
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Right. I feel like jello. Most of the water in my cells is in this gel-like state.
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But there's liquid water in the body too.
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There's water in the blood, lymphatic fluid,
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cerebral spinal fluid has water.
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But anytime water holds enough energy,
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which is the purpose of water,
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and gets next to a hydrophilic surface or water-loving surface,
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which any biological surface is water-loving,
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it will become this gel-like form of water or layer over it will form.
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And so they've actually shown that this happens in the lining of arteries in Dr.
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Pollock's lab at the University of Washington.
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But if you go in and type in like
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In PubMed, like cell-free layer.
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There's tons of articles of research groups that have come up that have found this
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cell-free layer. This this layer next to the artery lining ~ where
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red blood cells can't penetrate it,
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this cell-free layer. And so because that's the role of structured water
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is like the glycocalyx is the role for structure or is the surface area
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for structured water to form on,
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it becomes negatively charged and it protects it because another nickname
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for structured water is exclusion zone water because it excludes anything that's
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not it.
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The only thing that can penetrate it is very small hydro hydrated ions of minerals,
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anything potassium or smaller.
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So if we have intact structured water on the lining of the artery,
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it's protected. So yeah, it also creates this frictionless surface.
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So if you ever take an ice out of the refrigerator or out of the freezer,
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it sticks to your hand at first because it's not structured water there.
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But as soon as the ice starts to melt in your fingers,
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your thumb is a hydrophilic surface and the and the ice is a hydrophilic surface.
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So that water instantly becomes structured water and it slips right
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out of your hand.
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Because structured water is this frictionless surface.
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So that keeps blood moving, you know,
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frictionlessly through the bloodstream,
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which is really huge for preventing clotting.
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But then also, like I mentioned before,
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the structured water forms around the elements of blood.
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Lypoproteins, red blood cells have all been shown to have a negative charge,
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or they should have a negative charge if we're in the right environments that create
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it. So if everything's negatively charged,
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nothing is sticking together because light charges repel each other.
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And so everything's kind of like electrostatically attracted to each other because
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of the hydrogen ions in the fluid of the blood.
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But if they get too close, they repel each other.
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And so they're just kind of moving through the blood,
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kind of like train cars hooked together.
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And so it's really important to maintain the structured water.
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And so people talk about inflammation,
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oxidative stress, all these things.
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What that really means is that we have low body charge.
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We have low electrons to the body.
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And the body holds and stores energy in the form of electrons in structured water.
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That's if we get in environments that build structured water or that give your body
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energy, it will build structured water.
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And this makes sense because the all energy for life on this planet comes from
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the sun. And we have mechanisms by which we can turn that photonic energy into
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electrons in our body. And then we use those electrons.
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Or when we get electrons to the system,
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the body has no choice but to store them as structured water.
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So that's what gives the structured water its electronegative charge
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is because it's stored up at electrons.
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And this makes sense because the sun is the ultimate source of infrared light.
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Which infrared light is the most structuring to water.
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All wavelengths of the sun will do it,
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UV through infrared, but infrared,
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far infrared is especially the the best at doing it.
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And anytime the sun is up, it's about 40 to 50% red and infrared light.
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So humans are supposed to be outside getting infrared light all day long.
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Even if we're in the shade, it's still bouncing all around us
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and we're getting infrared light.
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And so I'd say the initial problem,
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not the only problem, but the initial problem with heart disease and ~
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how our blood vessels are getting.
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attacked is because we're lacking the structural water because the surveys show that
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about in the Western world people are spending about ninety-three percent
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of their time either indoors or in an enclosed vehicle,
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void of infrared lighting. And so we're not bringing this energy into the system,
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which we're not protecting the arteries and preventing this clotting type response
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that happens.
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You know what would be a great idea is if we just started emitting infrared light
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out of our screens, right? Yeah.
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Or or I mean we used to like infrared I mean not the screens
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but like incandescent bulbs, that's what they used to be.
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Infrared
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Yeah, there's infrared light out of incandescent bulbs,
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that's right. But because everybody's staring at a screen all day,
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if we had it coming straight at us out of the screen,
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that would actually be a health benefit.
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I think there's an idea there.
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You know, you talked about structured water extracellularly,
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it also
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It also works intracellularly,
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right? So there's there's structured water inside the cell that also,
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to your point, stores energy and has been shown to actually help with things like
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protein folding and moving things around the cell and you know,
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things like this. So it's when you hear ~ Dr.
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Hussey talking about this, you should understand that this is really kind
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of a ubiquitous phenomenon throughout the body.
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~ it's not just for cardiovascular health.
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It's it's kind of lubricating and energizing and protecting,
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if you will.
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you know, many, many, many, many systems in the body.
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Yeah.
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I mean the whole purpose of I think life on this planet is to harvest energy from
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its environment in various ways and use that energy to create order.
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We call that order health.
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We we call that we call that life.
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Yeah. When you right, when you take energy and organize it into structure
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and function, that's that's called life.
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Exactly. And when you
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don't have enough energy, we tend toward disorder.
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That's the second law of thermodynamics.
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So we need to harvest energy and create order.
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And so that comes from the sun direct sunlight exposure.
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It also comes from how the sun concentrates energy into the earth.
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And then we conduct, we can contact the earth and conduct energy from there.
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But it's also what metabolism is.
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We're breaking down the chemical bonds and food to harvest the electrons from
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it to use them to create energy in the form of ATP,
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which unfolds proteins in the cells and creates surface area for structured water.
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form. That's the purpose of ATP.
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So yeah, that's that's how it works.
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That's how that's how this planet universe
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works.
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Yeah. No, it's very cool. I love it.
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So what is your daily routine with regards to structured water?
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Because there are people out there that sell structured water.
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There are people that are structuring their own water and drinking it.
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And there are people that are going about it more the way that you're going about
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it. I kind of walk us through the
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the structured water story from how people most effectively,
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and I understand it's being out in the sun,
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but how people most effectively,
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and let's say they're not able to be in the sun,
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are there ways that they can optimize their structured water content,
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if you will?
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Yeah. So I mean, obviously it's not realistic for most people to be outside
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all day long, but we can make changes in our internal environment that
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can increase our infrared light exposure or increase our contact with
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the energy from the earth. So one I already mentioned is incandescent bulbs.
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Like I have incandescent bulbs here.
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So you turn those on and I'm getting some infrared.
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We can also use infrared saunas.
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We can use red or infrared light panels.
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These are all ways that we can boost our red and infrared light.
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I do think that you can overdo it though.
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'Cause it's still a processed form of light.
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The the only natural form of light we should have is the sun,
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which is balanced by all the colors and wavelengths at all the time.
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The only reason that these things are seen as therapeutic is because we're
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so deficient in them. We're so deficient in red and infrared light.
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So we see the infrared sauna and the red light therapy as therapeutic
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is that has all these good benefits.
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So so yeah, but those are ways that you can help,
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especially in the winter when we're just not outside as much.
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You can use to use that to boost.
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So
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You know, I've just started getting into my sauna every day again because it's
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starting to get cooler and I'm not getting as much sunlight as I usually would.
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But usually I'll get up and do the sauna and then I'll stand in front of
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a red light panel after that. Or I'll take a shower and then stand in front
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of the red light panel on a vibration plate ~ and kind of get lymph moving
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and try and use a lymphatic brush and stuff while I do that.
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And then I have the the incandescent sun here and then I'll go outside.
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I mean I'm I'm known to go out even if it's like twenty eight degrees.
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I'll go and sit out in the sun and still get quite warm as long as it's not windy.
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It's windy, that's that's a little much.
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~ it's too cold.
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Where do you live?
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I live in North Carolina.
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North Carolina. Okay. Yeah. Yeah.
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So you get four seasons there.
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Yeah, definitely. I mean it gets cold.
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~ especially ~
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What elevation are you at?
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right now I'm at lower elevation.
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I don't know what elevation I'm at right now,
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but it's it's not it's not mountainous.
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I'm from the mountains of North Carolina though.
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So that's
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I see. Okay.
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home for me. But yeah, so so yeah,
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I try and get out there and then but also remember we create infrared light.
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You know, we give off our mitochondria give off heat in the form of infrared light.
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That's why we have body heat. And so especially in the winter,
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mitochondria uncouple a little bit to give us more heat.
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And so that's why I would say getting used to cold,
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cold exposure. It doesn't have to be a full ice bath or whatever,
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but just like spending time outdoors in the winter and getting used to being cold
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is gonna help you probably produce more infrared light.
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There's a reason we have seasons and we're supposed to adapt to them,
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right? So yeah, and then being grounded is another thing.
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So I mean again, outside on the earth is always best,
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but even on like a I'd say four inches thick or less concrete patio,
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as long as that is on directly on the earth,
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you can conduct from that. But leaves,
27:39
grass
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gravel, sand, dirt, all that is very conductive mulch,
27:43
not so conductive. This is dead wood,
27:45
not gonna do that. Asph conductive because there's rubber in it.
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But yeah, you can be in contact with the earth.
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But then also there's indoor grounding devices.
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As long as you control for dirty electricity,
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you can plug those into the grounding prong in your home and you can s stand
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on them or or sleep on the grounding sheet and be conductive while we're sleeping.
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Mm-hmm. So yeah, there's things you can do to help increase your your
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grounding and and light exposure,
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~ even though we can't live outside on a twenty four hours a day,
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you know. Yeah.
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Well, there are upsides and downsides to everything.
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But yeah, no, it's a it's a nice way to think about it.
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It's kind of a unified field theory for ~ the way you're discussing it,
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right? So very cool. So in your practice,
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I assume you're I assume you're practicing.
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I see a diploma on the wall and whatever else.
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So I assume you're in an office where you're practicing.
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You must be incorporating ~ this kind these concepts of structured water
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with your clients. And what do you think about people that
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are drinking structured water and things like that?
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Do you think that has value for them?
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Or do you feel like the way you've described is really the the gold standard?
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Well
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First of all, I don't I don't practice in a clinic anymore.
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~ I I run an online heart health ~ consulting program.
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So I just educate people on these things and make their own decisions,
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you know, about what they want to do.
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I give them information. But yeah,
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so you can't really drink structured water because if you're if you're trying
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to drink it if structured water if it was actually structured,
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it'd be like trying to drink jello,
29:08
right? So you can drink energized water though,
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or water that is I'd say toxin free,
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mineral rich.
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and energized in some way. It's got to hold the energy so that when
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it gets into your body, it will become the structured water when it gets next
29:22
to the hydrophilic surface, right?
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So unless it's next to a hydrophilic surface,
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it's not going to become structured water.
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But yes, we can drink higher quality water that will become structured,
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which is exactly what nature's doing to water.
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Nature, water in nature should be toxin free.
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~ like mountain streams are probably the closest to toxin free we can
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get or spring water. It's mineral rich,
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very high in mineral content.
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And it's moving, it's being swished around,
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it's being energized, right? One of the ways that we can energize water through
29:46
sunlight exposure, through direct contact with the earth,
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or through vortexing it, swishing it around,
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which Dr. Pollack found in his lab.
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It has to be swishing it around in the presence of oxygen.
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So to me, there's no coincidence that the the oxygen is in the blood,
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exposing the water and the blood to oxygen,
30:02
and the heart is the purpose of the heart.
30:05
One of them is to swish the water around and vortex it,
30:07
like just like nature does to water.
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Water is always moving in nature.
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When it gets stagnant, it gets gross like in a pond,
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you know? Right. ~ we want this water to be
30:16
So I'm thinking, yeah, that's that's ~ some really nice points you're making.
30:20
I I'm thinking that a lot of people have,
30:22
you know, water dispensers in their home where they're deionizing water
30:26
and things like that and then adding some minerals back or whatever else.
30:30
It sounds like you could take that and put it in a blender and re energize it,
30:33
~ before you drank it. Right. Yeah,
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some electrolytes spin it up and
30:37
Yeah, you wanna you wanna detoxify like tap water,
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you gotta get the toxins out of that.
30:41
But that's gonna that's gonna create reverse osmosis water,
30:43
which I wouldn't want to drink long term.
30:44
So you wanna add minerals back to it,
30:46
you know, some sort of mineral solution.
30:47
And then you could, yeah, put it in the sun,
30:49
you can put it in a blender, like you said.
30:50
There's then you can just stir it with a spoon,
30:53
you know, just kind of or just on the counter,
30:54
like just kinda stir the glass around,
30:56
like try and create some vortex to it.
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Yeah, you wanna energize it in some way because water moving through laminar tubes,
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including our arteries and and veins,
31:04
more pipes in a wall.
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It's creating stagnant dead water.
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We want energized water, which is why we have a heart,
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a contracting, vortexing heart in the middle of that.
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That's what it's ~ one of its roles in the body.
31:15
So which makes sense. Again, when we took water out of the ocean,
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which the blood is the salinity of water or the ocean water,
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it's supposed to, that's what it's supposed to be.
31:24
We had to have some way to move it around because it wasn't
31:27
in nature anymore getting moved around.
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And so that's what the purpose of the heart is.
31:31
Cool.
31:32
So how do people get a hold of you if they'd like to chat further about their
31:35
own situation?
31:36
So my website is resourceyourhealth.com.
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Resource
31:40
your health dot com. Okay.
31:42
Yeah.
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So my ~ you know, links to to contact me are on there for more about
31:47
my my consulting program. My blog is on there,
31:50
which I infrequently, you know,
31:51
post on. But yeah, various information.
31:53
My books are on there. and then I'm also on social media,
31:57
just Dr. Stephen Hussey, DR Stephen Hussey.
31:59
I'm posting stuff on there all the time.
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People can reach out there and and see what I'm posting too.
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So yeah. Great.
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Well, fascinating journey. I love the way you put the pieces together here.
32:08
And you know, as is ~ usual for many of us,
32:11
it's the challenges we face that actually led us to expand
32:14
our understanding of what's going on,
32:16
right? And so that's always
32:18
I was saying it's this bad thing that happened to me that led to some
32:21
of the best things that ever happened to me.
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Exactly. Everything's a gift in the end.
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Well, great. Great chatting with you,
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Stephen. Thanks for thanks for being on the podcast.
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