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Dragnet: The Big Want Ad (EP4864) · The Great Detectives Present Dragnet (Old Time Radio)

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  Speaker 1: Now from October fourth, nineteen fifty one, here is the
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  Speaker 1: big one ad.
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  Speaker 2: The story you were about to hear is true. The
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  Speaker 2: names have been changed to protect the innocent. You're a
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  Speaker 2: detective sergeant.
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  Speaker 3: You're assigned to auto theft detail.
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  Speaker 2: A gang of criminals masquerading as legitimate auto dealers start
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  Speaker 2: to work in your city. Innocent people are cheated out
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  Speaker 2: of thousands of dollars. The thieves are clever, they work
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  Speaker 2: a foolproof formula. Your job stop them.
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  Speaker 4: Dragnet the document a drama of an actual crime. For
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  Speaker 4: the next thirty minutes, in cooperation with the Los Angeles
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  Speaker 4: Police Department, you will travel step by step on the
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  Speaker 4: side of the law through an actual case transcribed from
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  Speaker 4: official police files. From beginning to end, from crime to punishment,
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  Speaker 4: Dragnet is the story of your police force and action.
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  Speaker 5: It was Tuesday, February nineteenth. That was Chile in Los Angeles.
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  Speaker 5: We're working the day Watch out of auto theft. My
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  Speaker 5: partner's Ben Romero. The boss is Captain Nelson. My name
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  Speaker 5: is Friday. We're on the way out from the office,
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  Speaker 5: and it was ten twenty five am when we got
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  Speaker 5: to the corner of thirty eighth Street and Maxbury Avenue,
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  Speaker 5: the Green Leaf Danye Nursery School.
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  Speaker 3: Missus H. Palmer, is that right?
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  Speaker 5: I mean I think so. In just a minute I
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  Speaker 5: kind of written down. Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Excuse me, ma'am. We're looking for a Missus viol of Palmer.
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  Speaker 6: I'm missus Palmer, what is it you wanted?
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  Speaker 5: We're police officers, ma'am. This is my partner, sizent Rom.
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  Speaker 5: Now my name is Friday. Auto theft detail.
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  Speaker 6: Oh, yes, about my car. You're going to investigate all
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  Speaker 6: about it?
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  Speaker 7: Is that it?
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  Speaker 5: Yes, ma'am. We've been handling similar complaints the last month
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  Speaker 5: or saw. We'd like to have you tell us everything
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  Speaker 5: that happened in your case, if you would please.
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  Speaker 8: One of the most underhanded things I've ever heard of, Sergeant.
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  Speaker 8: It would have been the same thing if he'd help
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  Speaker 8: me up with a gun just out and ount robbery.
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  Speaker 3: Could you give us some of the details, ma'am, how
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  Speaker 3: you were first approached on the deal.
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  Speaker 6: Excuse me a minute, please.
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  Speaker 7: Children, time to go inside. Now we're going.
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  Speaker 8: To color pictures with the crayons this morning.
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  Speaker 6: Missus Johnson has them all ready for you inside. O
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  Speaker 6: my coast on run so long now inside, everyone.
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  Speaker 8: Certainly wish the warm weathered hurry up and come. Children
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  Speaker 8: always raise such an uproar when he had to keep
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  Speaker 8: them indoors. Worst part of running a day nursery to
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  Speaker 8: winter months.
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  Speaker 5: Yes, man, I supposing now about your automobile and this parmer,
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  Speaker 5: we understand you had it up for Sally Advertising one
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  Speaker 5: of the local newspapers.
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  Speaker 6: Yes, that's right.
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  Speaker 8: I ran one of those three day one ads over
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  Speaker 8: the weekend Friday, Saturday and Sunday. I thought I'd get
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  Speaker 8: more from my car if I sold it myself. I mean,
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  Speaker 8: instead of selling it to a used car lot.
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  Speaker 5: Absolutely. How many answers did you get on your walt ad?
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  Speaker 8: Well, just the one way it turned out. This man
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  Speaker 8: came out and looked at my car first thing in
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  Speaker 8: the morning. He offered to pay me exactly what I
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  Speaker 8: was asking for it, so I sold it to him.
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  Speaker 6: That's just the way it went.
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  Speaker 3: Who was this man, missus Palmer? Was he representing some
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  Speaker 3: auto company?
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  Speaker 8: Yes, he said he was. Anyway, he gave his name
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  Speaker 8: to Joseph Newhall. I've got his card inside. Said he
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  Speaker 8: was a buyer for Dan Barton Juice car lot on
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  Speaker 8: South cap Street.
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  Speaker 6: Nicely dressed man. He made it all seem so honest.
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  Speaker 3: I was a deal of arranged, could you tell us,
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  Speaker 3: I mean transfer the car, payment and so forth.
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  Speaker 8: Well, he gave me a check for fifty dollars down
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  Speaker 8: payment to hold the car for him. Was a certified
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  Speaker 8: company check, I see. He told me I'd be back
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  Speaker 8: that afternoon with a certified check for the full amount
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  Speaker 8: of the car eight hundred dollars.
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  Speaker 5: Did he take your car with him then, No, he didn't.
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  Speaker 8: That's why I had no reason to be suspicious. He
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  Speaker 8: left me the check for fifty dollars and said he'd
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  Speaker 8: be back later with the rest of the money. Said
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  Speaker 8: in the meantime one of the employees from the used
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  Speaker 8: car lot might be along to pick up the car
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  Speaker 8: to save me the trouble of driving it downtown myself.
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  Speaker 3: Mm hmm, same Amo Joe all the way.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, it looks like that. Well, how did it go
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  Speaker 5: after that? In Miss Palmer?
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  Speaker 8: This worker from the used car lot came to the
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  Speaker 8: house to pick up the car about one o'clock that afternoon,
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  Speaker 8: gave me a check for the full mount of the car,
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  Speaker 8: and I gave him the pink slip had a pair
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  Speaker 8: of white cover alls on lettering on the back of
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  Speaker 8: him Dan Barton Jews cars. Looked like a typical mechanic
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  Speaker 8: or something. I wasn't the least bit suspicious.
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  Speaker 5: Um hm. How about the buyer, this Joseph Newhall. Did
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  Speaker 5: he show up later in the day.
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  Speaker 8: No, he never came back. I've never seen him since.
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  Speaker 8: Haven't seen my car either. I call that Dan Barton
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  Speaker 8: juice car lot. The next morning they told me they
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  Speaker 8: never heard of you.
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  Speaker 5: New Hall.
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  Speaker 8: Just made me a sick officer. I can't afford to
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  Speaker 8: lose the money I had in that car.
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  Speaker 3: Yes, ma'am, we understand the same things happened to a
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  Speaker 3: dozen people like you around the city.
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  Speaker 5: Do you remember what this man new Hall looked like?
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  Speaker 5: Miss Palmer's physical description, maybe the clothes he was wearing.
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  Speaker 8: Yes, I've got it all written down, sergeant, in my diary.
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  Speaker 8: Would you like to step inside please, I've got my
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  Speaker 8: little office at the back.
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  Speaker 9: Of the school here.
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  Speaker 5: Well, thank you very much.
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  Speaker 8: Now, I always make a record of everything in my diary.
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  Speaker 8: I've kept going ever since it was a girl in
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  Speaker 8: college every day.
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  Speaker 3: I suppose you've got all the information on your car
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  Speaker 3: to make license number, things like that.
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  Speaker 8: Oh, yes, indeed, I got everything together I thought might
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  Speaker 8: help you right up these stairs.
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  Speaker 5: Please you go ahead. How about the description of the
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  Speaker 5: man in overall, so, the one who came to pick
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  Speaker 5: up your car. Would you remember him, ma'am.
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  Speaker 8: Yes, I've got that for you too. Everything I thought
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  Speaker 8: would help. Just have a seat their officers. I've got
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  Speaker 8: the things in.
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  Speaker 6: My desk here, thank you, right ahead, thank you. I
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  Speaker 6: wouldn't mind.
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  Speaker 8: The whole thing so much, but as I say, I
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  Speaker 8: can't afford to lose the cash I had tied up
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  Speaker 8: my car.
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  Speaker 3: And seems to be the way the thieves operate, ma'am.
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  Speaker 3: They've been cheating the people who at least of forty.
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  Speaker 8: Terrible thing just out and out robbery. There you are, sergeant,
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  Speaker 8: uh huh, thank you, ma'am. There's the description of my car,
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  Speaker 8: license number, all the rest.
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  Speaker 5: Yes, I see.
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  Speaker 9: And here's the description of the.
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  Speaker 8: Two men, Joseph Newhall and the man in coveralls who
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  Speaker 8: picked up my car.
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  Speaker 3: Have you got that deposit check? New Hall gave him
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  Speaker 3: his bomb and the check for fifty dollars.
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  Speaker 9: Right here, sergeant.
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  Speaker 8: I saw that company about it, Dan Marton's juice car lot.
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  Speaker 9: It's forgery, not worth the papers printed on.
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  Speaker 3: I look, Joe, yeah, I say, same as the other one.
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  Speaker 7: Thing.
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  Speaker 8: I don't understand how those crooks get these checks to
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  Speaker 8: begin with.
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  Speaker 9: Did they steal it?
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  Speaker 5: No, man, we figured they had them printed up. We're
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  Speaker 5: still trying to find out where.
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  Speaker 8: Well, you know what the men look like you'll be
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  Speaker 8: able to find them, now, won't you.
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  Speaker 3: Only we should work that way, ma'am. We've had good
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  Speaker 3: descriptions on both men for a month now. Hasn't helped
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  Speaker 3: too much.
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  Speaker 8: I don't understand it at all. As I say, they're
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  Speaker 8: only common crooks. They can't be that smart, can they.
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  Speaker 5: Well, there's only one way we can judge. We've been
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  Speaker 5: hunting every day for a month now. Yes, they're still
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  Speaker 5: running free. In the space of thirty three days, the
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  Speaker 5: auto theft gang and victimized a dozen private citizens throughout
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  Speaker 5: the city. In each instance, the approach and the method
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  Speaker 5: of operation had been the same. The frontman for the
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  Speaker 5: gang would personally answer a want head inserted in the
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  Speaker 5: local newspaper by a private citizen advertising the sale of
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  Speaker 5: his automobile. The frontman would represent himself falsely as a
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  Speaker 5: buyer for Dan Barton's used car lot, a well known
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  Speaker 5: and legitimate used car dealer. He'd offer to pay exactly
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  Speaker 5: the sale price which the private party was asking as
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  Speaker 5: a deposit. The so called buyer would leave a counterfeit
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  Speaker 5: company check for fifty or one hundred dollars, with a
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  Speaker 5: promise that he would return later in the day with
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  Speaker 5: a certified check for the full amount. After a few hours,
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  Speaker 5: another man, posing as an employee if Dan Barton's Used
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  Speaker 5: Car Lot, would call for the car and drive it away.
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  Speaker 5: Neither the car nor the so called buyer were ever
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  Speaker 5: seen again. All efforts to trace them went for nothing.
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  Speaker 5: Eleven forty am, Ben and I went back to the
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  Speaker 5: office and got out a broadcast up on Entry APB
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  Speaker 5: on Missus Palmer's car and also on the phony car
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  Speaker 5: buyer who called himself Joseph Newhall. After lunch we met
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  Speaker 5: with Sergeant Ormsby, one of the other four men out
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  Speaker 5: of all that detail who were working the case with us.
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  Speaker 3: How'd you make out this morning? More? I mean that
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  Speaker 3: lad go anyway at all?
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  Speaker 10: Wasn't bad As far as he went. We found a
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  Speaker 10: place where they had the printing.
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  Speaker 2: Done, you know where.
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  Speaker 10: It was a small job printed way out in the valley,
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  Speaker 10: printed up the phony checks with that heading on it.
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  Speaker 10: Dan Barton's Used Car Lot got out some business cards
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  Speaker 10: for him too.
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  Speaker 5: What with the names?
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  Speaker 10: You find out that same one, Joseph Newhall. He ordered
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  Speaker 10: the checks and the business cards printed described him for us,
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  Speaker 10: the same guy. Where's it go from there?
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  Speaker 5: No place?
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  Speaker 3: Brinda told us new Hall had a car.
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  Speaker 10: He couldn't give us a license number, couldn't even remember
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  Speaker 10: the make of the body style.
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  Speaker 5: Thought it was a late model car.
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  Speaker 3: It's fund.
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  Speaker 5: That's not much help.
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  Speaker 10: No address on him either. It was a will call
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  Speaker 10: order paid for in cash.
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  Speaker 5: You told the printer to call us if Newhall comes back.
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  Speaker 6: Ah, yeah, it's covered.
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  Speaker 10: I don't figure there's much chance Newhall was going to
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  Speaker 10: do that. He ordered enough checks printed up the first
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  Speaker 10: time last three year.
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  Speaker 3: I guess that's one lead we can forget.
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  Speaker 10: How about that special run the Status Office made for
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  Speaker 10: us yesterday, Anything come out of that.
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  Speaker 5: Nothing. All the possibles on the list were checked out
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  Speaker 5: all over clear. Nothing from Barton's used car lot either.
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  Speaker 5: Everybody on their staff's been checked out. All their ex
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  Speaker 5: employees too, No sign any one of them might add
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  Speaker 5: a hand in the Yeah, oh either. Have you seen
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  Speaker 5: the captain since this morning? No?
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  Speaker 10: Why that idea we were talking over at the last meeting.
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  Speaker 10: You figures we'll go ahead with it this weekend.
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  Speaker 3: How does he figure on working? You know Army personal
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  Speaker 3: con Day.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, that's right.
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  Speaker 10: Most of the private parties who want to sell their
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  Speaker 10: cars themselves use that want.
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  Speaker 5: Ad deal over the weekend. They get a.
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  Speaker 10: Special rate if they run their ad Friday, Saturday and Sunday,
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  Speaker 10: I know, Thursday, nights of the deadline for having the ads,
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  Speaker 10: and if they're going to run the full weekend, and
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  Speaker 10: that's when we start working on it.
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  Speaker 5: We get in touch with every private party who's filed
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  Speaker 5: a want ad for the weekend advertising the set of
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  Speaker 5: their car.
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  Speaker 10: Yeah, we'll contact them by phone, every one of them.
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  Speaker 10: If we advise them that if anybody representing themselves as
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  Speaker 10: a buyer for Dan Barton to use Car a Lot
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  Speaker 10: answers their want ad, they're to get in touch with
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  Speaker 10: us right away. If they can't stall the man long enough,
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  Speaker 10: we tell them to accept the deposit check, take down
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  Speaker 10: all the information on the man the car is driving.
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  Speaker 8: Know.
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  Speaker 3: To work out if we can get any kind of
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  Speaker 3: cooperation is going to be a big job. We'll have
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  Speaker 3: to cover all the want ads and all the papers.
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  Speaker 10: We've got a good description of that phony buyer, Joseph Newhall.
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  Speaker 10: If they planted a want ad one of the papers.
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  Speaker 10: Maybe he's the one of the gang who brought the
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  Speaker 10: ad in. It's possible one of the ad takers might remember.
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  Speaker 5: It might be worth checking anyway, Or it could be
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  Speaker 5: they might have phoned in the ad too. That wouldn't
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  Speaker 5: help much.
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  Speaker 3: We might as well face it.
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  Speaker 10: It's not food proof, but it's a different approach. It's
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  Speaker 10: a plan anyway. We tried everything else we can think
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  Speaker 10: of to reach the thieves.
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  Speaker 5: I got him all about that body telling that's it?
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  Speaker 5: When was that? I see? Yeah, yes, as soon as
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  Speaker 5: we can, thank you, sir. Well, maybe we won't have
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  Speaker 5: to wait for the weekend. A man out in Echo Park,
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  Speaker 5: he runs a candy store out there. He advertised his
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  Speaker 5: conference sale in this morning's papers said. The first one
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  Speaker 5: to answer it was a buyer from Dan Barton's used
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  Speaker 5: car lot. Gave his name as Joseph Newhall. Looks like
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  Speaker 5: the same m all. They make a deal an only
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  Speaker 5: candy store on a go for the deposit check. He
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  Speaker 5: wanted to full him out, said the deal didn't satellite
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  Speaker 5: to him. How's it stand now? New Hall said he'd
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  Speaker 5: come back with a check for the full sale price
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  Speaker 5: eight o'clock tonight, two twenty pm. We drove out and
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  Speaker 5: questioned the candy store owner further. His description of new
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  Speaker 5: Hall tallied with the others, but again the potential victim
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  Speaker 5: had failed to get any kind of a description of
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  Speaker 5: the car new Hall was driving, of the license number.
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  Speaker 5: Ben and I staked out at the house. Eight pm
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  Speaker 5: came and went. The suspect failed to show. By midnight,
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  Speaker 5: there was still no sign of him. When he had
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  Speaker 5: shaped up. New Hall apparently had a policy of making
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  Speaker 5: a deal at first contact or forgetting about it. He
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  Speaker 5: probably figured that if a person was at all suspicious,
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  Speaker 5: the interval would give him time to check, and new
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  Speaker 5: Hall wasn't giving away any odds. All day Wednesday, the
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  Speaker 5: stakeout went on no sign of the suspect. On Thursday night,
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  Speaker 5: the local newspapers gave us lists of names and phone
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  Speaker 5: numbers of all private parties who had ordered want ads
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  Speaker 5: for the coming weekend to advertise as the sale of
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  Speaker 5: an automobile. We divided up the names and six of
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  Speaker 5: us took turns on the phones and started calling each party.
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  Speaker 5: We warned them about the carcept ring and advised them
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  Speaker 5: of what steps to take in the event Joseph Newhall
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  Speaker 5: or one of the other gang members approached them with
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  Speaker 5: the proposition to buy their car. One of the private
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  Speaker 5: parties we contacted was a mister Roy Harmon. Ben got
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  Speaker 5: on one extension and read in the stock warning we'd prepared.
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  Speaker 5: Sergeant Omsby used the other extension and called another party
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  Speaker 5: running an ad serg.
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  Speaker 7: The Los Angeles Police Department.
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  Speaker 3: Out how that yes, and one of the gang usually
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  Speaker 3: goes under the name of Joseph Newhall. Now if you're
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  Speaker 3: contacted it all?
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  Speaker 5: How's that?
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  Speaker 3: When was that? Uh? I see, well where are you now?
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  Speaker 3: Saying about an hour?
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  Speaker 5: All right?
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  Speaker 3: Thank you? What was that all about? Man with the
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  Speaker 3: name of Harmon once a cocktail lounge out on the
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  Speaker 3: South Cole He took in a check over the bar
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  Speaker 3: last not company check from Dan Burton Jeue car Lot
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  Speaker 3: says it was signed Joseph Newhall.
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  Speaker 5: Will he ought to remember who passed it?
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  Speaker 3: He does, I got it right here. A man was
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  Speaker 3: the name of Frank Curtis. He's a regular customer at
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  Speaker 3: the Boar. Harmon says. This Curtis came into place last
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  Speaker 3: night with a man in a dark fruit and the
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  Speaker 3: man seemed to be a friend of Curtis's. When I
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  Speaker 3: asked him what the friend looked like, and he described
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  Speaker 3: him it was new Hall.
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  Speaker 5: What about that check business?
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  Speaker 3: Harmon says he was tending boy at the time told
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  Speaker 3: me this Frank Curtis and new Hall had quite a
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  Speaker 3: few drinks together and he ran out of money. Newall
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  Speaker 3: wanted to cash a check, but Harmon said.
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  Speaker 5: No, he didn't know him. Well.
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  Speaker 3: This Frank Curtis is a regular customer at the Boar,
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  Speaker 3: and he offered the endorse the check for new Hall.
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  Speaker 3: So Harmon said, okay, any case.
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  Speaker 5: Well, how well does Harmon know this customer?
• 14:35
  Speaker 3: Is this Curtis pretty well, lives across the street from him.
• 14:40
  Speaker 5: We checked Frank Curtis through R and I, but he
• 14:42
  Speaker 5: had no previous criminal record. We left the rest of
• 14:45
  Speaker 5: the list for the other men, and Ben and I
• 14:47
  Speaker 5: drove out and talked to Roy Harmon, the owner of
• 14:49
  Speaker 5: the cocktail lounge where the suspect, Joseph Newhaul atchachs to check.
• 14:52
  Speaker 5: With the help of his friend Frank Curtis. Harmon told
• 14:55
  Speaker 5: the same story he'd given Ben over the phone. Curtis
• 14:58
  Speaker 5: was a long time neighbor of his, the steady customer
• 15:00
  Speaker 5: at his cocktail lounge. Just for new Hall, He'd never
• 15:03
  Speaker 5: set eyes on him until the night before. Harmon gave
• 15:06
  Speaker 5: us the home address of Frank Curtis and we checked
• 15:08
  Speaker 5: it out missus. Curtis answered the door and told us
• 15:11
  Speaker 5: that her husband, Frank, was working the newly inaugurated night
• 15:13
  Speaker 5: shift at an aircraft plant on the south end of
• 15:15
  Speaker 5: the city. Then and I drove down to the plant,
• 15:17
  Speaker 5: and after checking with the personnel office, we finally located
• 15:20
  Speaker 5: Curtis at his work. He was an assistant foreman in
• 15:23
  Speaker 5: one of the aircraft assembly.
• 15:24
  Speaker 11: Shops, the cruisigeant Romero. The last time I saw new
• 15:28
  Speaker 11: Hall before the other night was five years ago, just
• 15:31
  Speaker 11: to work at the walk plants together.
• 15:32
  Speaker 7: To matter anyway, has it done something?
• 15:34
  Speaker 11: We understand you endorsed to check the new Halls for
• 15:37
  Speaker 11: fifty dollars.
• 15:37
  Speaker 7: Do you know him, met?
• 15:38
  Speaker 11: Well, I mean that you'd endorse checks for him.
• 15:40
  Speaker 7: Well, maybe I shouldn't have.
• 15:42
  Speaker 11: Wife's always telling me I'll be more careful to who
• 15:44
  Speaker 11: I'm signing checks for.
• 15:46
  Speaker 7: Why what happened anyway? It wasn't check any good.
• 15:49
  Speaker 5: Do you have any idea where we could find this
• 15:50
  Speaker 5: friend of yours?
• 15:51
  Speaker 11: This new Hall?
• 15:52
  Speaker 7: Well, I don't know.
• 15:53
  Speaker 11: During the war he and his wife lived in this
• 15:55
  Speaker 11: housing project off North Maine.
• 15:58
  Speaker 7: I know they moved from that place though, Yeah, no
• 16:01
  Speaker 7: matter of fact. Oh Joe didn't tell me where he
• 16:03
  Speaker 7: was living.
• 16:04
  Speaker 11: I gave him my address, told him and drop over
• 16:06
  Speaker 11: for a beer sometimes. Don't remember getting his address though.
• 16:10
  Speaker 11: Couldn't tell me what this is about.
• 16:11
  Speaker 7: Huh, just a routine check.
• 16:13
  Speaker 11: We'd like to locate new Hall.
• 16:14
  Speaker 7: That's all. Got a few questions we'd.
• 16:16
  Speaker 5: Like to ask him.
• 16:17
  Speaker 11: Excuse me, we're gonna watch it here, so yeah, I
• 16:19
  Speaker 11: ain't coming through with that.
• 16:20
  Speaker 7: Jake Dang.
• 16:22
  Speaker 11: Okay, Fellas bet On through all, Claire, Rety go Bettest
• 16:26
  Speaker 11: family dollar three. They're getting busy again, all right, seems
• 16:31
  Speaker 11: like the old swing ship days all over again.
• 16:34
  Speaker 7: Four years.
• 16:35
  Speaker 11: Yeah. You mentioned a minute ago that new Hall is married,
• 16:38
  Speaker 11: miss Jerry. Yeah, that's right. What about his west? Can
• 16:40
  Speaker 11: you tell us anything at all about her?
• 16:42
  Speaker 7: Betty? No, No, I don't think so.
• 16:44
  Speaker 11: Her and Joe seemed to get along all right along
• 16:47
  Speaker 11: pretty well.
• 16:47
  Speaker 7: Matter of fact, nice girl, Betty. I never minded her much.
• 16:51
  Speaker 7: The new Hal's have any children?
• 16:52
  Speaker 5: Do you know that?
• 16:53
  Speaker 7: No? No kid for them? Work her aunt Joe?
• 16:56
  Speaker 5: Uh huh. Would you know if new Half's wife is
• 16:59
  Speaker 5: still working?
• 17:00
  Speaker 7: I don't know, probably is, but yeah, yeah, matter of
• 17:03
  Speaker 7: fact she is. Joe happened to mention it the other
• 17:05
  Speaker 7: night when we were talking. Just happen to think of it.
• 17:07
  Speaker 11: I go ahead, I remember I asked about Betty and
• 17:11
  Speaker 11: he said she was still working same old place, Sam
• 17:13
  Speaker 11: old job, that's all.
• 17:14
  Speaker 5: Where is this place she works? You know?
• 17:16
  Speaker 11: Yeah?
• 17:17
  Speaker 7: City Hall.
• 17:19
  Speaker 5: We continued questioning Frank Curtis, and he told us that,
• 17:22
  Speaker 5: to the best of his knowledge, the suspect's wife, Betty
• 17:24
  Speaker 5: new Hall, had a civil service rating and that she'd
• 17:27
  Speaker 5: worked as a file charak in the record room of
• 17:28
  Speaker 5: one of the bureaus in the municipal government. Early the
• 17:31
  Speaker 5: next morning, Ben and I got in touch with the
• 17:33
  Speaker 5: civil service officials at the city hall. They got out
• 17:35
  Speaker 5: of tracer on the wife of the suspect eleven twenty am.
• 17:39
  Speaker 5: I got it follow theft Friday, Yessie Hazah, I didn't
• 17:47
  Speaker 5: hear it when Yeah, I see Yessie right. We'll check
• 17:53
  Speaker 5: within about an hour. Bye. I don't know why we
• 17:56
  Speaker 5: always have to do it the hard way. Well, what
• 17:58
  Speaker 5: a call back on new Hall's wife. Most of checks
• 18:00
  Speaker 5: out just the way Curtis told us what Betty new
• 18:03
  Speaker 5: Hall quit her job a month ago, hasn't been around,
• 18:05
  Speaker 5: hasn't been seen since civil service can't even contact her,
• 18:08
  Speaker 5: what's the deal? She moved, no forwarding address, not a
• 18:11
  Speaker 5: trace of her. Saturday, February twenty third, the strongest lead
• 18:32
  Speaker 5: we'd had to the auto theft gang began to fade.
• 18:35
  Speaker 5: Missus Betty new Hall, the wife of our principal suspect,
• 18:38
  Speaker 5: wasn't to be found. We checked out all our known
• 18:40
  Speaker 5: friends and relatives, the places she was known to frequent.
• 18:43
  Speaker 5: There wasn't the trace of her. Ben got all the
• 18:45
  Speaker 5: available information on her from the Civil Service Office and
• 18:47
  Speaker 5: we got out a broadcast in the supplementary All Points bulletin.
• 18:51
  Speaker 5: We found out she had a ten year old son,
• 18:52
  Speaker 5: so we checked with the Board of Education to see
• 18:54
  Speaker 5: if the boy was registered in one of the city schools.
• 18:57
  Speaker 5: It wasn't listed. Still no response. He stayed on it.
• 19:01
  Speaker 5: In the meantime, the weekend was wearing past the halfway point.
• 19:04
  Speaker 5: The other two teams of men working the case were
• 19:06
  Speaker 5: standing by, but apparently none of the private parties who
• 19:08
  Speaker 5: were running want ads over the weekend advertising the sale
• 19:11
  Speaker 5: of an automobile had been approached yet by either Joseph
• 19:14
  Speaker 5: Newhall or some other member of the gang. If they
• 19:17
  Speaker 5: did make a contact, it hadn't been reported to us.
• 19:20
  Speaker 5: Saturday night, still no response. Eight to fifty pm. Ben
• 19:24
  Speaker 5: and I had some supper at Johnny Cochin's place and
• 19:26
  Speaker 5: then we went back to the office.
• 19:30
  Speaker 3: Not a bad man at all. Huh, it's pretty fair
• 19:32
  Speaker 3: for a Saturday night good soup. Yeah, there's nothing like
• 19:35
  Speaker 3: that corn chowder down and puts out. It's the best.
• 19:37
  Speaker 5: Sure we should do something about that coffee like taking
• 19:40
  Speaker 5: a shot of adrenaline, isn't it?
• 19:41
  Speaker 3: It is pretty strong? And excuse me? Maybe this was
• 19:45
  Speaker 3: giving me this heart? Then where's Armsby? I thought he
• 19:49
  Speaker 3: was covering, so I he was here when I left
• 19:52
  Speaker 3: Joe Ben.
• 19:53
  Speaker 5: High Army thought we lost you and taking a call
• 19:55
  Speaker 5: from Hollywood Division.
• 19:56
  Speaker 3: Good piece of news. What's that new Haul's wife?
• 19:59
  Speaker 10: They found her.
• 20:02
  Speaker 5: At approximately twenty five minutes past eight that night, a
• 20:05
  Speaker 5: dark haired woman in her late thirties had brought a
• 20:07
  Speaker 5: young boy into a pharmacy in the Hollywood area. Apparently
• 20:10
  Speaker 5: the woman had been drinking, but she was not intoxicated.
• 20:13
  Speaker 5: The young boy with her, whom she identified as her
• 20:15
  Speaker 5: ten year old son, was badly cut and bruised about
• 20:17
  Speaker 5: the face and the head. The woman insisted that the
• 20:20
  Speaker 5: pharmacist on duty treat the boy and attend to his injuries.
• 20:23
  Speaker 5: After arguing with the woman, the pharmacist called the Hollywood
• 20:26
  Speaker 5: Receiving Hospital. An ambulance was dispatched, and the boy and
• 20:29
  Speaker 5: his mother were taken there for emergency treatment. At Hollywood
• 20:32
  Speaker 5: Receiving the woman gave her name as Betty Harrison and
• 20:35
  Speaker 5: her son's name was George Harrison, but a routine identification
• 20:38
  Speaker 5: checked by officers next door at the Hollywood Division station
• 20:41
  Speaker 5: disclosed her true name as Missus Betty Newhall. The desk
• 20:44
  Speaker 5: sergeant ordered her health for interrogation and notified our office
• 20:47
  Speaker 5: immediately nine thirty pm. Ben and I arrived at the
• 20:50
  Speaker 5: Hollywood Division.
• 20:51
  Speaker 3: Her boy, George Missus Newhall, hadn't he happened to get
• 20:54
  Speaker 3: beat up like that? Pretty bad for little Phone.
• 20:56
  Speaker 12: I warned Joe about hitting little George. I told him
• 20:59
  Speaker 12: if he did it again, I walk out. Well, I
• 21:00
  Speaker 12: did walk out.
• 21:01
  Speaker 9: I don't care what happens to him.
• 21:03
  Speaker 3: You mean the boy's father did that to him, beat
• 21:04
  Speaker 3: him up like that?
• 21:05
  Speaker 12: He's not George's father. Second marriage, my name is to
• 21:08
  Speaker 12: be Doneley. I had two kids, one died.
• 21:10
  Speaker 5: Uh huh.
• 21:11
  Speaker 12: The divorce came through. I got custody as George and
• 21:13
  Speaker 12: I married Joe new Hall.
• 21:14
  Speaker 5: You know why we're looking for your husband, Miss new.
• 21:16
  Speaker 9: Hall, Yeah, I think so.
• 21:18
  Speaker 5: Why do you think so?
• 21:20
  Speaker 9: Car business? I knew what he was doing.
• 21:22
  Speaker 3: Do you have any idea at or where we can
• 21:24
  Speaker 3: find your husband?
• 21:25
  Speaker 5: Not sure?
• 21:25
  Speaker 12: He might be a lot of places. Just can't get
• 21:28
  Speaker 12: over what he did to George. No reason at all.
• 21:31
  Speaker 12: Kid came home and asked if we could go to
• 21:32
  Speaker 12: the show. Husband got up and slapped him. Been drinking
• 21:35
  Speaker 12: quite a bit. He hit the kid with his closed fist.
• 21:38
  Speaker 12: Kept hitting a gown man, slugging a ten year old
• 21:41
  Speaker 12: kid like that. I don't care about any man where
• 21:44
  Speaker 12: George is concerned, nobody he's gonna treat a kid of
• 21:46
  Speaker 12: mine like that.
• 21:47
  Speaker 3: You said you knew about your husband's dealing in the
• 21:49
  Speaker 3: car business, missus new Hall. How much do you know
• 21:51
  Speaker 3: about it?
• 21:52
  Speaker 9: I didn't have any part of it.
• 21:53
  Speaker 12: I can tell you that much was his idea from
• 21:55
  Speaker 12: the beginning of my husband's got the men together to
• 21:58
  Speaker 12: work the racket.
• 21:58
  Speaker 9: He made all the plans to get.
• 22:00
  Speaker 5: Why is it you quit your job at the city
• 22:02
  Speaker 5: hall in such a hurr?
• 22:03
  Speaker 12: My husband's idea, I guess he thought, if anything happened.
• 22:05
  Speaker 12: He didn't want to be traced that easy. Then he
• 22:08
  Speaker 12: had to go and get drunk that night cash that check.
• 22:10
  Speaker 12: He always did stupid things like that.
• 22:12
  Speaker 5: How about the gang your husband has working with him?
• 22:14
  Speaker 5: Is new Hall can tell us anything about them?
• 22:16
  Speaker 9: Yes? I can.
• 22:17
  Speaker 12: Three fellas working with him. I know, I s Deadman
• 22:20
  Speaker 12: and Curly Reese and Jack Whitmore. Maybe there's someone else
• 22:23
  Speaker 12: besides them, but I don't know 'em.
• 22:24
  Speaker 3: You know where these men live, ma'am? Where we can
• 22:26
  Speaker 3: find 'em?
• 22:26
  Speaker 9: I think I do. Yeah, I got the dresses at
• 22:28
  Speaker 9: home by this time.
• 22:30
  Speaker 3: They probably on the run, though, But you do know
• 22:32
  Speaker 3: the places they were supposed to be staying.
• 22:34
  Speaker 9: Yeah, I got the addresses at home.
• 22:35
  Speaker 5: How about the cars they got on this deal they
• 22:37
  Speaker 5: were working? What are they doing with 'em?
• 22:38
  Speaker 11: You know?
• 22:39
  Speaker 9: I don't know for sure? They were moving them east?
• 22:41
  Speaker 12: I think selling them back there, yes, ma'am. Why is
• 22:44
  Speaker 12: it the woman who always gets the dirty end of
• 22:45
  Speaker 12: the deal? My first marriage and this one Joe Newhall
• 22:48
  Speaker 12: a thief, heavy handed crook.
• 22:50
  Speaker 9: Why can't I meet a decent man for a change?
• 22:52
  Speaker 5: And I wouldn't know 'em man, neither one of 'em.
• 22:54
  Speaker 9: They didn't like kids. They didn't want to have a home.
• 22:57
  Speaker 9: Why'd they have to be that way?
• 23:00
  Speaker 5: Well, I'd like to ask you something if they could? Yeah,
• 23:02
  Speaker 5: whyjer Merriam ten forty three pm. We stopped at the
• 23:09
  Speaker 5: new Hall apartment on the way back to the city Hall,
• 23:11
  Speaker 5: called the office and arranged for a stakeout. The wife
• 23:14
  Speaker 5: of the suspect, Betty Newhall, gave us the names and
• 23:17
  Speaker 5: addresses of the people she knew to be working with
• 23:19
  Speaker 5: her husband, Joseph Newhall, and the auto theft gang. She
• 23:22
  Speaker 5: had no information to offer on the cars they might
• 23:24
  Speaker 5: be driving. When we got to the office, we took
• 23:27
  Speaker 5: a complete statement for Missus Newhall and then she was
• 23:29
  Speaker 5: booked in at the main jail on suspicion as grand
• 23:31
  Speaker 5: theft Auto eleven h nine pm. Together with Wilson and Normsby,
• 23:35
  Speaker 5: we started checking out the addresses of the gang members.
• 23:38
  Speaker 5: Our first two stops we got nothing. On our last
• 23:41
  Speaker 5: two we did a little better. We picked up a
• 23:42
  Speaker 5: Jack Whitmore, Curly Reese and a Carl Steedman, three of
• 23:46
  Speaker 5: the names which Missus Newhall had mentioned. We took them
• 23:48
  Speaker 5: downtown and booked them in at the main jail. That
• 23:51
  Speaker 5: still left the principal suspect, Joseph knew All unaccounted for
• 23:54
  Speaker 5: at one forty five am. The next morning, we got
• 23:57
  Speaker 5: a tip as to his whereabouts. It's a small hotel
• 24:00
  Speaker 5: in East first Street. We checked it out. The man
• 24:02
  Speaker 5: answering new Hall's description was registered in room two oh
• 24:05
  Speaker 5: nine on the second floor. We got a pass key
• 24:08
  Speaker 5: from the room clerk on duty and started up the stairs.
• 24:15
  Speaker 3: Two o nine. It's down this way, Jim, all right, yeah, seven,
• 24:22
  Speaker 3: you know, yeah, see if we can get a rise. Yeah, yeah,
• 24:33
  Speaker 3: that's something in that.
• 24:37
  Speaker 5: Yeah, police officers, so i'd hold up there, missus.
• 24:39
  Speaker 3: What is this?
• 24:40
  Speaker 5: Shake him down? Ben?
• 24:41
  Speaker 3: Yeah? Hey, what is this? What's this all about?
• 24:44
  Speaker 5: You generally sleep with your clothes on New Haulork.
• 24:46
  Speaker 13: I don't know what you're talking about. What is this shakedown?
• 24:48
  Speaker 13: He's clean, Joe. I don't check his bad and I
• 24:50
  Speaker 13: stay out of those things. You haven't got any right
• 24:51
  Speaker 13: breaking in here like this, going through why.
• 24:53
  Speaker 5: Problems relaxed New Halls won't take long.
• 24:55
  Speaker 3: Two full pads of him, Joe find him in his suitcases.
• 24:58
  Speaker 3: Company checks Dan Barton juice because.
• 25:00
  Speaker 5: We talked to your friends, mister. We got one side
• 25:02
  Speaker 5: of the store you want to come downtown, give us yours.
• 25:04
  Speaker 13: You get nothing from me, not only see my lawyer.
• 25:06
  Speaker 13: You can't hold me on any churches, Grand.
• 25:07
  Speaker 3: Theft, Auto or new Hall. We've got the witnesses, we've
• 25:10
  Speaker 3: got the evidence. If you've got something to say, say it.
• 25:11
  Speaker 3: If you haven't, will get along downtown. You haven't got
• 25:13
  Speaker 3: anything on me. You haven't got enough to hold me
• 25:15
  Speaker 3: an hour. We're going to give it a try.
• 25:20
  Speaker 5: For a full five hours, we questioned new Hall both
• 25:22
  Speaker 5: at the hotel and later downtown in the interrogation room,
• 25:25
  Speaker 5: and after five hours of questioning, he finally broke and
• 25:28
  Speaker 5: admitted being the mastermind behind.
• 25:30
  Speaker 3: The auto theft racket. Your true name is Joseph Woodard
• 25:33
  Speaker 3: new Hall. Is that right? Yeah, that's it now.
• 25:35
  Speaker 13: You can't blame the whole set up on me, though
• 25:37
  Speaker 13: my wife had a hand in it just as much
• 25:38
  Speaker 13: as I did. Well, we've already got her statement. You
• 25:40
  Speaker 13: want to give us yours, and she's just as much
• 25:42
  Speaker 13: to blame as I am. We didn't hurt anybody anyway.
• 25:44
  Speaker 13: It's just a con deal, that's all. We didn't hurt anybody.
• 25:47
  Speaker 3: How do you figure that? Well, just a simple con deal.
• 25:50
  Speaker 13: People advertising their cars for sale, are trying to cheat
• 25:52
  Speaker 13: out a few bucks on themselves. Were just outfigured on
• 25:55
  Speaker 13: that song. You're ready to dictate a statement for us.
• 25:57
  Speaker 13: You know we outfigured you two. You'd never reached us.
• 25:59
  Speaker 13: It wasn't from my wife.
• 26:00
  Speaker 3: We'd reach you if not in thirty years, you wouldn't.
• 26:03
  Speaker 3: Where'd you go in circles?
• 26:04
  Speaker 13: Just one hitch my wife and that stupid kidderage just
• 26:08
  Speaker 13: because I slapped.
• 26:08
  Speaker 3: Him around a little. I wouldn't be here if it
• 26:10
  Speaker 3: wasn't for that.
• 26:11
  Speaker 5: When you better learn a lesson, mister wife. Next time
• 26:13
  Speaker 5: you fight, don't pick a ten year old.
• 26:23
  Speaker 2: The story you have just heard was true. The names
• 26:26
  Speaker 2: were changed to protect the innocent.
• 26:29
  Speaker 4: On May twenty ninth, trial was held in Superior Court,
• 26:31
  Speaker 4: Department eighty seven, City and County of Los Angeles, State
• 26:34
  Speaker 4: of California. In a moment the results of that trial,
• 26:46
  Speaker 4: a check off his fingerprints revealed that Joseph Newhall's true
• 26:49
  Speaker 4: name was Joseph Arren Henderson and that he had a
• 26:51
  Speaker 4: previous record of forgery and burglary in the state of
• 26:54
  Speaker 4: South Carolina. Henderson alias Newhall, was tried and convicted along
• 26:58
  Speaker 4: with its associates in the Auto Theft gang on eight
• 27:01
  Speaker 4: counts of grand theft and forgery of a fictitious check.
• 27:04
  Speaker 4: They receive sentences as prescribed by law. Grand theft is
• 27:08
  Speaker 4: punishable by imprisonment for not less than one or more
• 27:12
  Speaker 4: than ten years. Forgery of a fictitious check is punishable
• 27:16
  Speaker 4: by imprisonment in the county jail for not more than
• 27:18
  Speaker 4: one year or in the state penitentiary for not more
• 27:21
  Speaker 4: than fourteen years. The wife, Betty Newhall, was convicted as
• 27:25
  Speaker 4: an accomplice and was sentenced to serve one year in
• 27:27
  Speaker 4: the county jail.
• 27:28
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• 28:04
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• 28:07
  Speaker 4: from official files. Technical advice comes from the Office of
• 28:11
  Speaker 4: Chief of Police W. H. Parker, Los Angeles Police Department.
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: Welcome back. This is one of those episodes, and it's
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: a bit of a theme in drag Net where criminals
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: get caught not because they're terrible criminals, but because they're
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: terrible people who make enemies and will double cross or
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: abuse someone who decides to turn them in. I will
• 29:17
  Speaker 1: also say that I don't relate to the whole criminal
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: idea that you gave the police a good run and
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: bragging about how long you kept the police going. I mean,
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: if fits in to the psychology, but I don't claim
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: to understand it. When you undertake a life of crime,
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: if you make a mistake, you lose. The big difference
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: is that he's going to spend a lot more time
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: in jail than if he'd been caught the first time.
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: That's the prize for being such a brilliant criminal in
• 29:48
  Speaker 1: giving the police such a run. And then, of course
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: you have the whole moral justification for this that people
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: who sell cars are trying to cheat because you think
• 29:59
  Speaker 1: you car dealers are entitled to a cut of the
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: sale price of a car, or maybe it's a belief
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: that everyone selling their car privately is trying to pull
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: a fast one in terms of overcharging or hiding facts.
• 30:16
  Speaker 1: You know, it's the sort of expectation that if you're dishonest,
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: then everyone else is.
• 30:20
  Speaker 7: Well.
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: Now we turn to listener comments and feedback, and we're
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: gonna start out over on Spotify. We have a couple
• 30:28
  Speaker 1: of comments in the same vein A doctor who done
• 30:33
  Speaker 1: it wrote did my ears deceive me? Did Ben get
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: the zinger? At the end of this episode, way to
• 30:39
  Speaker 1: go Ben? And Peter writes Ben Romero got the last
• 30:44
  Speaker 1: word in this episode. I wonder how this happened. Did
• 30:47
  Speaker 1: Jack Webb lose a bet to Barton Yarborough? I think
• 30:50
  Speaker 1: it's the case with Barton Yarborough as opposed to Friday's
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: later longtime partners in Bill Ginn and Frank Smith, that
• 31:03
  Speaker 1: there's a sense in which he can be go Friday's
• 31:08
  Speaker 1: equal in many ways in physicality, certainly that can be
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: seen in the very first TV episode of Dragnet, where
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: he is the one who goes around the ledge and
• 31:23
  Speaker 1: delivers the punch to the man holding the bomb, or
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: in terms of taking over the narrative. I think that
• 31:33
  Speaker 1: with both Frank Smith and Bill Ginn and there was
• 31:38
  Speaker 1: a sense in which they operated a little bit as
• 31:42
  Speaker 1: comic relief, not quite in the sense of Sergeant Tartaglia
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: over on Broadways my bait. But they were the types
• 31:52
  Speaker 1: who didn't really go in for physicality. They were lighter. Yeah,
• 32:00
  Speaker 1: Ben Alexander did have that fight scene in the nineteen
• 32:04
  Speaker 1: fifty for drag Net movie, but honestly that was a
• 32:07
  Speaker 1: bit of a stretch. So while they were latter roles,
• 32:11
  Speaker 1: there is a real sense in which Ben Romero is
• 32:16
  Speaker 1: just as much of a cop, just as much able
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: to carry on the narration and the logging of the
• 32:23
  Speaker 1: case when Friday got shot in the big Ben, So
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: can he deliver a closing singer?
• 32:30
  Speaker 3: Sure?
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: And probably he's Joe Friday's only partner who actually could.
• 32:35
  Speaker 1: And then we have a comment from Mechanics sixty six,
• 32:38
  Speaker 1: who writes, what's Ernie going to gain by not giving
• 32:41
  Speaker 1: up his partner? Being able to do time without a
• 32:44
  Speaker 1: snitch jacket? Going to prison as a guy who read
• 32:47
  Speaker 1: it out his partner means hard time and probably getting shift.
• 32:51
  Speaker 1: I don't know how two witnesses could think Arkansas and
• 32:54
  Speaker 1: Midwestern accents sounded the same. I thought the first one
• 32:59
  Speaker 1: was going to say he sounded like Romero. Virginia Gregg
• 33:04
  Speaker 1: played three parts. I wonder if they got paid extra
• 33:08
  Speaker 1: for that well, taking the questions or comments in reverse order.
• 33:12
  Speaker 1: I believe that everyone got union scale, which and most
• 33:16
  Speaker 1: of the radio actors really made their money just by
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: the sheer number programs that they were able to appear in.
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: I also thought when the witness said that the person
• 33:28
  Speaker 1: talked funny, that you know, when Romero was doing the question,
• 33:33
  Speaker 1: that she would reference that that Texas accent is such
• 33:37
  Speaker 1: a big part of who he is as a character,
• 33:43
  Speaker 1: and it's so rarely even mentioned or addressed. As to
• 33:48
  Speaker 1: Arkansas on Midwestern, that's a tough one. I don't know.
• 33:52
  Speaker 1: Maybe a lack of exposure to those areas of the country,
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: that's the only thing I can think of. Although they
• 33:59
  Speaker 1: are all are some regions of some states that could
• 34:06
  Speaker 1: have kind of a twenty as sort of accent, like
• 34:09
  Speaker 1: if you had been from southern Ohio. Have heard quite
• 34:15
  Speaker 1: a few folks around Cincinnati with an accent that might
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: be classed in the Southern style if you weren't aware
• 34:23
  Speaker 1: of like the regional dialects. Then have a couple of
• 34:28
  Speaker 1: comments over on YouTube regarding the Big Waiter, which posted
• 34:33
  Speaker 1: on Thanksgiving, James writes, thank you Adam for making sure
• 34:37
  Speaker 1: we get our dragon neffects even on Thanksgiving. I hop
• 34:40
  Speaker 1: this video and I do so every chance I get
• 34:44
  Speaker 1: Thanks Day. I appreciate you mentioning the hot feature, which
• 34:48
  Speaker 1: is something newer on YouTube that you can do to
• 34:52
  Speaker 1: help your favorite videos perform well. And I appreciate everyone
• 34:57
  Speaker 1: who does it with ours. Mark says, nice break from
• 35:01
  Speaker 1: too much Thanksgiving. Well, I'm glad that I'm able just
• 35:05
  Speaker 1: to be there every day, even if I do take
• 35:09
  Speaker 1: the day off. And I was actually in Montana on
• 35:12
  Speaker 1: Thanksgiving Day this year, but we have everything recorded in advance,
• 35:16
  Speaker 1: so we're there as regularly scheduled. And then Mark Wrights,
• 35:22
  Speaker 1: these old radio shows are amazing history. And then we
• 35:26
  Speaker 1: had a comment over on the Great Detectives of Old
• 35:30
  Speaker 1: Time Radio website, and this one comes. And then a
• 35:35
  Speaker 1: comment from Dick over on the Great Detectives website regarding
• 35:40
  Speaker 1: the Big Crazy. So the husband's relatives will be lawyering
• 35:44
  Speaker 1: up and taking both the police and his vindictive sister
• 35:48
  Speaker 1: in law to court over this wrongful death right bakevat
• 35:52
  Speaker 1: civil suit for driving him to suicide. The DEA ought
• 35:55
  Speaker 1: to be to look into investigating the sister in law
• 35:58
  Speaker 1: for criminal charges. Well, she clearly manipulated this situation and
• 36:03
  Speaker 1: may well have done so hoping for just this outcome.
• 36:08
  Speaker 1: That's some interesting speculation. I think that regarding the criminal case,
• 36:15
  Speaker 1: you're going to have an awful hard time proving intent.
• 36:20
  Speaker 1: I think that the police having signed off on the
• 36:24
  Speaker 1: plan would really make that hard. Been a civil case
• 36:29
  Speaker 1: against her, I think would be very difficult. I think
• 36:32
  Speaker 1: a case against the police, a civil case against the
• 36:35
  Speaker 1: police would definitely be brought these days. But this, of
• 36:41
  Speaker 1: course was long ago, and as Eric suggested, and I
• 36:46
  Speaker 1: would tend to agree, this was probably a lot earlier
• 36:50
  Speaker 1: than the nineteen fifties. I don't think it was in
• 36:53
  Speaker 1: the nineteenth century, probably, but it wouldn't surprise me if
• 36:57
  Speaker 1: it was from the nineteen tens or nineteen twenties, where
• 37:01
  Speaker 1: you had a far less litigious society, particularly when it
• 37:06
  Speaker 1: came to these sort of lawsuits that you would bring
• 37:09
  Speaker 1: against a police department. Now, certainly there are lawyers out
• 37:12
  Speaker 1: in the audience.
• 37:13
  Speaker 5: I know that you listen.
• 37:15
  Speaker 1: I don't mean that in some sort of weird way.
• 37:17
  Speaker 1: I just mean it because people have emailed in and
• 37:21
  Speaker 1: identified themselves as members of the bar, as officers of
• 37:25
  Speaker 1: the court, although not in so many words, So anyway,
• 37:29
  Speaker 1: there are legal experts might have different opinions on whether
• 37:33
  Speaker 1: this would you know, if something like this, it's kind
• 37:37
  Speaker 1: of unimaginable that a modern police department would do. This
• 37:42
  Speaker 1: would have merit in a modern system, but I can't
• 37:46
  Speaker 1: imagine anything happening on the cistern law. You just really
• 37:50
  Speaker 1: would have to read minds and make assumptions. And I
• 37:54
  Speaker 1: don't see how you could establish that she had the
• 37:59
  Speaker 1: state of mind that you suspect. But thanks so much,
• 38:02
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• 38:31
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• 38:34
  Speaker 1: yours truly Johnny Dollar, where.
• 38:37
  Speaker 15: It's almost as though you suspected somebody OF's murdering rays
• 38:40
  Speaker 15: it is the possibility, isn't it? Of course not who
• 38:43
  Speaker 15: several people like you. This is a few years of
• 38:47
  Speaker 15: a half baked marriage and struggling along. How you can
• 38:50
  Speaker 15: call wondering in Florida's struggle, I don't know.
• 38:52
  Speaker 9: I told you time to make it right.
• 38:54
  Speaker 15: Call well, now, long is the business now that it's
• 38:57
  Speaker 15: suddenly begin to process.
• 38:58
  Speaker 9: I'm just trying to say that.
• 39:00
  Speaker 15: And they all might still care for you, but look
• 39:01
  Speaker 15: pretty suspicious. Good, you don't know what you're talking about about,
• 39:04
  Speaker 15: Walt Bascom. It's pretty unusual one an insurance man. It's
• 39:07
  Speaker 15: so anxious to spend the company's money. But then if
• 39:10
  Speaker 15: he has intentions towards the beneficiary of the policy.
• 39:14
  Speaker 8: As this is.
• 39:14
  Speaker 15: Terrible, you're saying, I won't let you.
• 39:17
  Speaker 6: I won't stand for this.
• 39:20
  Speaker 15: Well, oh, now come on, put that thing down right cough.
• 39:24
  Speaker 3: I thought you'd come here instead of going after the mountain.
• 39:27
  Speaker 15: You know, everything you said was possible, dollar possible, but
• 39:30
  Speaker 15: not true. And I won't stand for you or anyone
• 39:33
  Speaker 15: else tormenting this fear this way. She's been through more
• 39:36
  Speaker 15: than she deserves as it is, and I'm not gonna
• 39:39
  Speaker 15: stand still while some stupid insurance. Dick makes her tear
• 39:41
  Speaker 15: her heart on right, cough and put that thing away,
• 39:44
  Speaker 15: and you get out of here. Just put yourself in
• 39:46
  Speaker 15: my foot I have. That's why I said, all those
• 39:49
  Speaker 15: wild theories of yours are possible, all of them. All
• 39:52
  Speaker 15: three of us have plenty the game with Ray Sheldon
• 39:54
  Speaker 15: out of the way, especially me, because in the long run,
• 39:57
  Speaker 15: I stand to benefit most. And I'd be number one
• 39:59
  Speaker 15: suspect because I was the last one to see Ray,
• 40:02
  Speaker 15: the only one who was with him when he died,
• 40:03
  Speaker 15: the only one who could have murdered him.
• 40:05
  Speaker 6: But and this is a big.
• 40:07
  Speaker 15: Bunt dollar, I had killed Ray Sheldon, neither you nor
• 40:12
  Speaker 15: anybody else would ever be able to prove it.
• 40:14
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• 40:17
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