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Scott Boras unfiltered: State of MLB revenue, Skubal’s historic arbitration win, Winter frenzy · Foul Territory

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  Speaker 1: Super agent Scott boris joining us right now back on FT. Scott,
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  Speaker 1: Great to see you. We always appreciate the time, and
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  Speaker 1: we'll just start here. I know you hustle a ton
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  Speaker 1: all year round, but the off season is really where
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  Speaker 1: you can do some serious damage and some work and
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  Speaker 1: you know, change things for your clients. So how are
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  Speaker 1: you and how busy has your off season been?
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  Speaker 2: Well, it's it's.
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  Speaker 3: Kind of like you you begin at the end of
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  Speaker 3: October and all of a sudden it's spring training and
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  Speaker 3: it's a one giant blur.
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  Speaker 2: So what it's that way?
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  Speaker 3: You know you've you've been doing for your clients, which
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  Speaker 3: should be doing, so it's all good news.
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  Speaker 4: So wait, hold up, now, do you just quit working
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  Speaker 4: once spring training? Once you get all your guys signed?
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  Speaker 4: So let's I'm not going to say spring training because
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  Speaker 4: you do so opening day? Do you just quit working?
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  Speaker 4: Go to the beach down there in California? I know
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  Speaker 4: you go to Dodgers and Angels games, but is it
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  Speaker 4: like that your time off, Like we just go back
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  Speaker 4: and you're like, ah, my work here is done until October.
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  Speaker 3: Then the then the psychology begins where where you become
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  Speaker 3: basically what what players are fighting the game, as you
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  Speaker 3: guys know, and you're working with them a lot about
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  Speaker 3: their their performances, their psychology, how they're reacting to things,
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  Speaker 3: what they do. Frankly, it's the most enjoyable part because
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  Speaker 3: you're you're trying to beat the game every day and
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  Speaker 3: you're talking to them about what they do best and
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  Speaker 3: and and not lose track of their strengths and get
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  Speaker 3: into the deep hole of their weaknesses. And you know,
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  Speaker 3: for for all of us, we all know what slumps are.
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  Speaker 3: We all know what the game does to us mentally
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  Speaker 3: and emotionally, and we we do a lot with that.
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  Speaker 3: And obviously we have the draft, we have the evaluation
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  Speaker 3: of talent in the minor leagues at the major leagues,
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  Speaker 3: and so internationally, you know, you go to Japan, Korea
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  Speaker 3: every year, all those things. So it's the season is
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  Speaker 3: really the most enjoyable time for me because you're interacting
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  Speaker 3: with players in the game and really on the deep
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  Speaker 3: side of that.
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  Speaker 4: Scott, you mentioned that you're trying to get through the
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  Speaker 4: ups and downs of a season with your players. Do
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  Speaker 4: you guys have an on team boris team psychologist that
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  Speaker 4: you guys help players reach out to do you want
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  Speaker 4: them to talk to the team psychologists that a lot
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  Speaker 4: of teams employ now or is it just they're on
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  Speaker 4: their own and will help you out where we can.
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  Speaker 2: No, we have two.
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  Speaker 3: I was trained by Harvey Dorfman, and we really learn
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  Speaker 3: what the mental side of the game means to players.
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  Speaker 3: I had literally twenty five years of training and instruction.
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  Speaker 2: Because you have to know what not to say.
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  Speaker 3: You also have to know how to really mentor players
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  Speaker 3: through the early parts of their career and also at
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  Speaker 3: the very end of their career, how to measure success
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  Speaker 3: start them all of these things. Expectations expectations as a
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  Speaker 3: monster in our game, because no matter what you're doing,
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  Speaker 3: when you're doing it, the expectation of what you're doing
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  Speaker 3: has a lot to do with how you feel about
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  Speaker 3: yourself and how you manage that and how you deal
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  Speaker 3: with the game. So we have two psychologists on our staff.
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  Speaker 3: One is a former Major league pitcher, Don Carmen and
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  Speaker 3: who's been with our company for over twenty five years.
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  Speaker 3: And having former players involved that do it, that know
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  Speaker 3: that they really know the players are comfortable with the
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  Speaker 3: idea of knowing that someone that's doing what they're doing
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  Speaker 3: is able to talk to them with intimacy about the game,
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  Speaker 3: and there's also an appreciation where they understand that we
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  Speaker 3: have resources that know what it's like to deal with
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  Speaker 3: what they're dealing with.
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  Speaker 5: Scott, every time you've been on here, you talk about
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  Speaker 5: how you care about the game and you care about
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  Speaker 5: the players. This is kind of a random comment, but
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  Speaker 5: I talk to the person just last week. It was
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  Speaker 5: an ext GM that said you should become the commissioner
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  Speaker 5: if baseball wanted to truly grow because of the fact
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  Speaker 5: the next commissioner, because of the fact that you want
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  Speaker 5: the game to grow, and the only way for the
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  Speaker 5: game to grow is it to be player centric. Would
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  Speaker 5: you want to do that?
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  Speaker 3: I think I best serve the game because this is
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  Speaker 3: a talent business, and talent is the reason we're all here.
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  Speaker 3: We're the focus of this, the attraction of the game,
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  Speaker 3: how the game's played, the valuations of the game, the
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  Speaker 3: media rights of the game are all centered around how
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  Speaker 3: the talent of the game executes at optimal levels, because
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  Speaker 3: that's what makes the game so interesting and unique. And
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  Speaker 3: so when you're working with the talent both at the beginning,
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  Speaker 3: the and the and the ends of their careers, you're
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  Speaker 3: doing all that, you're really at the true eye of
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  Speaker 3: the of the tornado. You are there because that's how
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  Speaker 3: you best benefit the game.
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  Speaker 2: I think in.
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  Speaker 3: When owners are closer to talent than the commissioner's offices,
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  Speaker 3: I think that's one of the problems in our game today.
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  Speaker 3: The owners used to run this game and they were
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  Speaker 3: close to talent, and they addressed talent issues more in
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  Speaker 3: a first hand direct way rather than in what is
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  Speaker 3: considered a valuation way. How to really address the what
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  Speaker 3: the landscape of what players are paid. Because remember, in
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  Speaker 3: the revenue structure of our game, which is most important
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  Speaker 3: that talent brings. The revenue structure of our game is
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  Speaker 3: not transparent. And you know, owners have a right to
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  Speaker 3: keep it that way.
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  Speaker 2: They do.
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  Speaker 3: They own these teams, they run their businesses, they do it.
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  Speaker 3: But as long as they choose that route, there's always
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  Speaker 3: going to be a labor management dynamic to where there's
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  Speaker 3: going to be a credibility element about what we do.
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  Speaker 3: The only club we have that's transparent is the Atlanta Braves,
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  Speaker 3: and we know that they're making dramatic profits, making hundreds
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  Speaker 3: of millions three four hundred million a year in profits.
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  Speaker 2: And we also know.
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  Speaker 3: What they're capable of doing to grow their talent base
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  Speaker 3: to an optimum level. And the answer to that is
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  Speaker 3: that they certainly have the wherewithal to do it if
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  Speaker 3: they so choose. So that's the one club that we
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  Speaker 3: know is transparent. And I believe that our labor issues
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  Speaker 3: are nowhere near our biggest issue. Our biggest issue is
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  Speaker 3: how we optimize the meteor rites of our game, and
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  Speaker 3: by figuring that out, we're going to change the landscape
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  Speaker 3: of how we deal with labor because the ills of
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  Speaker 3: the game. If we're making sixteen to twenty billion owner
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  Speaker 3: metea rightes versus four, we're going to be treating labor
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  Speaker 3: and how we manage labor and what we do to
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  Speaker 3: keep the talent on the field very very differently.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, for sure, No, I like that all right. The
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  Speaker 5: question for me is it's coming from the chat, is
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  Speaker 5: do players want to be in on these conversations you
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  Speaker 5: talk about like it's an owner to the player conversation,
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  Speaker 5: but you're dealing with GM's assists in gms and then
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  Speaker 5: sometimes you go over them to the owners. Should the
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  Speaker 5: owners want to know all the conversations that you're having,
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  Speaker 5: I mean, I'm sorry, should the players want to know
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  Speaker 5: all the conversations that you're having. Are there things that
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  Speaker 5: you know what That's why you're there, That's why you're
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  Speaker 5: there to facilitate that relationship.
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  Speaker 3: I think when you represent someone as an attorney, your
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  Speaker 3: job is to make sure things are explained because you
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  Speaker 3: want the decision maker to have the full force and
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  Speaker 3: effect of everything that he should consider in making his decision.
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  Speaker 3: You want informed decisions, So in representing players, you have
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  Speaker 3: to let them understand the totality of the dynamic that
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  Speaker 3: is ongoing in the representation of them, and often that
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  Speaker 3: takes a great deal of time and commitment on their
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  Speaker 3: part to understand everything. But you don't want them making
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  Speaker 3: a decision and finding out later that a particular area
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  Speaker 3: of discussion was not covered. That would be something that
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  Speaker 3: would not best serve how he's making his decisions, because
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  Speaker 3: you never know what a player is going to find
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  Speaker 3: most important and what I do. Sometimes family geography are
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  Speaker 3: more important than their winning desires. Sometimes winning is vastly
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  Speaker 3: more important, and they're willing to inconvenience a lot of
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  Speaker 3: things in their personal lives to go to the best
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  Speaker 3: winning environment. Sometimes economics are overriding in those things. So
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  Speaker 3: in all these discussions, the idea of it is is
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  Speaker 3: full disclosure of everything you know, very detailed note taking
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  Speaker 3: and discussions so that you can transfer to them all
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  Speaker 3: the information needed to make an informed decision.
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  Speaker 4: Before we get into the schooble thing, which we're going
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  Speaker 4: to dig into here, pretty good because I have a
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  Speaker 4: million questions on that.
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  Speaker 6: How many of your players?
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  Speaker 2: How many players I didn't we're going to talk about it.
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  Speaker 2: I didn't know.
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  Speaker 4: You know, you know that we're talking about it. Trust
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  Speaker 4: you know that's coming, especially for me. But how many
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  Speaker 4: of your players want to know every little thing that's happening,
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  Speaker 4: meaning not like in the business of baseball, but I'm
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  Speaker 4: talking when they're a free agent. When you have a
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  Speaker 4: free agent, how many guys say, just tell me when
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  Speaker 4: there's a real offer, tell me when a team's calling,
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  Speaker 4: tell me if you hear something about me in the newspaper.
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  Speaker 6: What's the percentage of.
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  Speaker 4: One guys that want to know everything and guys that
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  Speaker 4: just say, hey, just give me an offer.
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  Speaker 3: Well, when you're attorney, you have a requirement to be
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  Speaker 3: a fiduciary. You have a requirement to disclose anything that
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  Speaker 3: is any offers that are given. I require the teams
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  Speaker 3: to give them in writing so that we can say
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  Speaker 3: here's the writing, here's the expression. There is no question
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  Speaker 3: about interpretation. Send it over. We will then transfer it
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  Speaker 3: to the player, and then we deliver those of the player.
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  Speaker 3: We do everything in writing, and that way there is
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  Speaker 3: no question about what the club is giving or or contending.
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  Speaker 3: As far as the media and what's being said about
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  Speaker 3: a player, often it's the particular players play close attention
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  Speaker 3: to it, some of them don't, And the reality of
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  Speaker 3: it is the relevancy of what goes on to the
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  Speaker 3: media for me is unless it's something that's injurious and
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  Speaker 3: sent something that's relevant to it. I often most of
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  Speaker 3: it is actually so factually incorrect, particularly.
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  Speaker 2: When you're going through a negotiation, that you.
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  Speaker 3: Really make the player a where did you see this?
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  Speaker 3: Did you see this? You see this? We don't believe
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  Speaker 3: any of this is true or accurate. It's not, but
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  Speaker 3: we want to bring it attention in case someone asks
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  Speaker 3: you about it. So really it's a function of giving
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  Speaker 3: him the wherewithal where he knows everything he can about
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  Speaker 3: the ongoings of his negotiation so he's not surprised or
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  Speaker 3: if anyone comes and says, yes, I covered that, yes
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  Speaker 3: I know that, and so it's a very comprehensive. It
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  Speaker 3: takes an army. Know, we have one hundred and sixty
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  Speaker 3: people in our company. It takes an army to properly
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  Speaker 3: fulfill the disclosure and the information that the player needs
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  Speaker 3: to understand what's going on around him.
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  Speaker 4: That makes sense. So in saying all that, let's get
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  Speaker 4: to Trek's Schooble. When you called Terrek Scooble and said, Tarek,
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  Speaker 4: the Tigers just offered you nineteen million in arbitration, did you.
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  Speaker 6: Guys just go.
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  Speaker 4: And then to Terik go, Wow, I'm just going to
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  Speaker 4: show up with my two cy youngs and lay them
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  Speaker 4: on the table and I'll walk out with thirty two million.
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  Speaker 3: We knew what the club's theory was on a CBA
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  Speaker 3: basis and what historically they've done. We're quite studied. We've
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  Speaker 3: been comparing this for a year. We knew in advanced
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  Speaker 3: that what their number was going to be and why,
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  Speaker 3: and we knew what their number had to be. We
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  Speaker 3: knew that they could not approach a fourth time eligible
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  Speaker 3: player and David Price at nineteen point seventy five million
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  Speaker 3: and a filing number because they were going to support
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  Speaker 3: a third time eligible de gram who had a filing
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  Speaker 3: number that was below that, So we knew what their
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  Speaker 3: theory was going in and obviously we knew there was
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  Speaker 3: going to be a very measured gap, but we also
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  Speaker 3: knew what our theory was. And our theory was what
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  Speaker 3: did platform sive five mls players receive and how are
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  Speaker 3: they treated in the five mls market? And our point
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  Speaker 3: was that they're treated at the top of the five
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  Speaker 3: mls market. And we know what the top of the
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  Speaker 3: five ls market was when we did Schuzer's case because
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  Speaker 3: I represented Prince Fielder. We knew at the top of
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  Speaker 3: the five mls market was currently because I represented one
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  Speaker 3: Soto and so.
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  Speaker 2: And I also knew that under the.
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  Speaker 3: Criteria that our theory was well based because we had
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  Speaker 3: a collective Barney Agreement mandate the automatic right unquestioned that
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  Speaker 3: a five mls player can use the salaries of all
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  Speaker 3: comparable players, and we knew that we had Blake Snell,
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  Speaker 3: our client, who was a two time Siung Award winner
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  Speaker 3: who was the most comparable to Terrek, and demonstrating that theory,
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  Speaker 3: I think created a clear, conclusive following of the CBA,
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  Speaker 3: And we went through the history of the CBA to
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  Speaker 3: demonstrate why three and four year players do not have
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  Speaker 3: that language because of what Valenzuela and Suitor when they
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  Speaker 3: were first year players.
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  Speaker 2: They went to the top of the salary structure.
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  Speaker 3: They agreed in eighty five and bargaining that that was
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  Speaker 3: something that was needed to be limited, But they remained
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  Speaker 3: and kept the fact that the five MLS players can
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  Speaker 3: use all the salaries of all comparable players. They kept
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  Speaker 3: that after a deep set bargaining where they limited it
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  Speaker 3: in the third and fourth year market with the exception
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  Speaker 3: of special accomplishment.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, agreed.
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  Speaker 4: Listen to somebody that used a class ahead in my
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  Speaker 4: arbitration case, it's valuable. I was only I was a
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  Speaker 4: three and I used the I used not only threes,
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  Speaker 4: but I used fours and they let me and I won.
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  Speaker 6: So yes, but that goes my next two questions.
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  Speaker 4: One, if the Tigers come in and say, hey, we're
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  Speaker 4: offering you twenty five, does that make it harder on
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  Speaker 4: you guys to win? And then two, how much was
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  Speaker 4: this a CBA case? Because I keep saying like, this
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  Speaker 4: wasn't about just Trek Schoubl and Scott Boris.
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  Speaker 6: This was the.
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  Speaker 4: CBA, the union versus the owners trying to make a
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  Speaker 4: call on arbitration not only this year but in future
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  Speaker 4: years with a CBA coming up.
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  Speaker 3: Well, I haven't had five MLS players. I had Garrett Cole.
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  Speaker 3: We had to go to hearing on that and we
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  Speaker 3: won that case. But that was a different case in
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  Speaker 3: the sense that we had current arbitration five MLS comparables,
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  Speaker 3: and the idea of that was we also had the
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  Speaker 3: right to use the salaries of all comparable players, and
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  Speaker 3: we did that in Cole. And so the idea of
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  Speaker 3: it is that we that was a long you know,
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  Speaker 3: that was in twenty nineteen. We just didn't have a
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  Speaker 3: lot of players, and we noticed in the marketplace that
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  Speaker 3: the application of the CBA, we thought was being incorrectly
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  Speaker 3: applied in the process and how other agents were using it.
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  Speaker 3: And so we told Erk that you have this decision
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  Speaker 3: to make, and that you know, and of course our
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  Speaker 3: job I've been I've had over two hundred and fifty
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  Speaker 3: arbitration cases in the last ten years. I've only gone
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  Speaker 3: to hearing six times and we won the majority of those.
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  Speaker 3: But the different being is that we're here. It's a
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  Speaker 3: settlement process, and we make every effort to understand the
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  Speaker 3: dynamics of it, and we're able to reach settlement and
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  Speaker 3: you know, literally in about ninety eight percent of the cases.
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  Speaker 3: And so the process is one where people say, do
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  Speaker 3: we negotiate? And I said, they set up a system
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  Speaker 3: of file and trial, and I go, I understand that
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  Speaker 3: for people who aren't prepared. I have a year round
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  Speaker 3: arbitration team. We spend millions of dollars myself and five
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  Speaker 3: other lawyers and a staff of researchers and a data
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  Speaker 3: We spend millions of dollars preparing for these cases. But
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  Speaker 3: the thing at what it does do the preparation leads
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  Speaker 3: you to understand what a proper settlement is and you're
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  Speaker 3: able to explain that to players. So the system works
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  Speaker 3: very efficiently in that in this particular case, we knew
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  Speaker 3: that they were going to try to assert a times
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  Speaker 3: eligible theory and we knew that wasn't in the CBA,
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  Speaker 3: and they've been applying that for years, and we felt
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  Speaker 3: that this was the case to illustrate that a substantial
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  Speaker 3: falling of the CBA is really what this case was about.
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  Speaker 3: And I think we're able to demonstrate.
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  Speaker 5: Are there other misnomers that we the public or we
• 20:23
  Speaker 5: the media don't know about. Arbitration that feels like is
• 20:28
  Speaker 5: is skewed toward the owners or skewed away from players
• 20:32
  Speaker 5: getting the max value. Besides this, you know, using the
• 20:36
  Speaker 5: players with more than five years of service being able
• 20:39
  Speaker 5: to look at all players.
• 20:42
  Speaker 3: That's a great question, but you know that arbitration in
• 20:46
  Speaker 3: the system is a wonderful methodology for owners to make
• 20:51
  Speaker 3: right decisions. Eric Skubele won two PSIM Awards and he
• 20:56
  Speaker 3: was the one hundred and fourth highest player in baseball.
• 21:01
  Speaker 3: Because the right at four mls only allows you to
• 21:04
  Speaker 3: compare to your class ahead. It does not allow you
• 21:07
  Speaker 3: to utilize the right of comparing to all salaries. And
• 21:13
  Speaker 3: so this is what the drafters intended. So when you
• 21:17
  Speaker 3: look at this, you go through and say the first
• 21:19
  Speaker 3: three years of the minimum salary, then you have the
• 21:23
  Speaker 3: next two years are basically restricted to the valuations of
• 21:29
  Speaker 3: players that are at best a class ahead. This saves
• 21:34
  Speaker 3: the superstar players like school well, their salaries are just
• 21:39
  Speaker 3: grandly depressed. But remember that's the benefit of the bargain.
• 21:45
  Speaker 3: We have performances that say you spend five or six
• 21:50
  Speaker 3: years in the league to prove yourself, to establish yourself,
• 21:54
  Speaker 3: to earn your way, and only then do you start
• 21:58
  Speaker 3: to receive the premi of the true valuations of players
• 22:03
  Speaker 3: in the market. That's what we negotiated, that's what we followed,
• 22:08
  Speaker 3: and our point in this case you don't discuss rays
• 22:11
  Speaker 3: in these cases. Raise is not in the CBA. Why
• 22:15
  Speaker 3: because the markets at three and four are depressed by rule,
• 22:20
  Speaker 3: they're not a true value, so that base point is
• 22:24
  Speaker 3: not something that's reflective of the right at five mls
• 22:28
  Speaker 3: versus the right at three and four of us by
• 22:31
  Speaker 3: the strict terms of the CBA. So they anchor that
• 22:35
  Speaker 3: to say, oh, this is a grand raise from four
• 22:38
  Speaker 3: to five. I go, of course it is, because when
• 22:40
  Speaker 3: you have an elite talent for the past four years,
• 22:44
  Speaker 3: he's not even in the top one hundred of valued players,
• 22:47
  Speaker 3: even though he's outperformed them. So the design of this
• 22:52
  Speaker 3: is that the benefit of bargain works so well for
• 22:55
  Speaker 3: owners because they get superstar players who are playing at
• 22:59
  Speaker 3: depressed values for literally five to six years. Only then
• 23:03
  Speaker 3: after being proven year after year, do we then reward
• 23:07
  Speaker 3: them with the length and the valuation and the major commitments.
• 23:13
  Speaker 3: And that is what has been decided as being prudent
• 23:17
  Speaker 3: for everybody. And that's why the arbitration system allows players
• 23:22
  Speaker 3: to go to spring training on time. It allows resolution
• 23:25
  Speaker 3: to the process and my point of it is with
• 23:28
  Speaker 3: the one hundred and sixty one hundred and seventy cases
• 23:30
  Speaker 3: we have our arbitration eligible players. Every year we have
• 23:34
  Speaker 3: what fifteen cases. It's a tremendous process to bring it
• 23:39
  Speaker 3: to a resolution so we can get on with the season.
• 23:44
  Speaker 4: Scott, can you tell us what the Tigers argument was
• 23:48
  Speaker 4: against Terrek scuogl because other than I get the dollar figure,
• 23:53
  Speaker 4: But what else could they possibly have said? Hey, Terrek,
• 23:55
  Speaker 4: you know the last two years man who we didn't
• 23:59
  Speaker 4: win the World Series, but you want to cy Young's
• 24:01
  Speaker 4: but you know there was that bunt in Cleveland that
• 24:03
  Speaker 4: one day that you know, you threw away that really
• 24:06
  Speaker 4: cost us the division even though we beat them in
• 24:08
  Speaker 4: the playoffs. Like, how does the club argue against other
• 24:12
  Speaker 4: than they just say that they just use the numbers,
• 24:14
  Speaker 4: the numbers, the numbers, because I know, again, I keep
• 24:17
  Speaker 4: going back to when I went it was twenty plus
• 24:18
  Speaker 4: years ago. But they kind of not that they got personal,
• 24:22
  Speaker 4: but they take shots at players and they use things
• 24:26
  Speaker 4: that are sometimes like wait, that doesn't really make a
• 24:28
  Speaker 4: lot of sense to the player and to the agent.
• 24:31
  Speaker 4: So what can you tell us a little bit of
• 24:33
  Speaker 4: what the Tigers used against him other than just well,
• 24:36
  Speaker 4: no players ever made this much.
• 24:39
  Speaker 2: Well, I think the part was that.
• 24:44
  Speaker 3: They they enjoy targeting myself in these hearings a lot
• 24:53
  Speaker 3: because of the fact that we're seeking what they consider
• 24:56
  Speaker 3: to be extraordinary positions.
• 25:00
  Speaker 2: How do they emulate that.
• 25:03
  Speaker 3: They go and they say, you know, de Gram's first
• 25:06
  Speaker 3: four years of performance because Terrek was hurt early in
• 25:11
  Speaker 3: his career and such, and they relied on the fact
• 25:15
  Speaker 3: that the clay of de Grom, the sculpture that to
• 25:18
  Speaker 3: say he was better and when you look at the
• 25:21
  Speaker 3: four year comparison, because de Grom was so good the
• 25:25
  Speaker 3: first couple of years of his career and his platform
• 25:29
  Speaker 3: season at at four mls was an extraordinary season.
• 25:34
  Speaker 2: It was really a great year.
• 25:37
  Speaker 3: And so they said that de Gram had done all
• 25:40
  Speaker 3: this at four mls and that you know, as a
• 25:45
  Speaker 3: as a.
• 25:45
  Speaker 2: Player that his career.
• 25:47
  Speaker 3: They used the three times eligible that Schoobles three times eligible,
• 25:53
  Speaker 3: de Gram's three times eligible because de Grom was a
• 25:55
  Speaker 3: Super two, but he didn't have the automatic right that
• 25:59
  Speaker 3: school had at five mls, which we replied on, look,
• 26:05
  Speaker 3: this is a right structure. This is not about raises,
• 26:09
  Speaker 3: it's not about times eligible. They're not in the CBA.
• 26:12
  Speaker 2: It's not there.
• 26:14
  Speaker 3: So when you use these arguments, when you use these arguments,
• 26:18
  Speaker 3: you can find comparability of de Gram and doing that.
• 26:22
  Speaker 3: But how I interfaced this, I said, you're forgetting something.
• 26:26
  Speaker 3: The seventeen million that de Grom was paid, it was
• 26:30
  Speaker 3: not his salary. Why because he never threw another pitch
• 26:35
  Speaker 3: And seventy days later de Gram had a new contract
• 26:39
  Speaker 3: for one hundred and thirty seven point five million with
• 26:41
  Speaker 3: an average annual value of twenty seven point five million.
• 26:45
  Speaker 3: I go, this settlement was a placeholder for a deal
• 26:50
  Speaker 3: that they were working on that wasn't his true salary
• 26:53
  Speaker 3: that he performed under. So when you look at seventeen million,
• 26:56
  Speaker 3: keep that in reference that it really was a placeholder
• 26:59
  Speaker 3: for a few your negotiation and often teams do that.
• 27:02
  Speaker 3: Let's just settle, we're not going to apply this. Don't
• 27:05
  Speaker 3: worry about it. We're going to get to the multi
• 27:07
  Speaker 3: year contract. So the multi year contract actually has more
• 27:10
  Speaker 3: relevance because that's the contract he performed under and played under.
• 27:15
  Speaker 3: And the other part of it is you use simple logic.
• 27:19
  Speaker 3: These contracts are seven, eight, ten, twelve years old. You
• 27:23
  Speaker 3: know they brought insureser areata all of these things. And
• 27:27
  Speaker 3: I just said, you know, I'm a business owner. You
• 27:31
  Speaker 3: have a great employee, he has his two best years,
• 27:35
  Speaker 3: and you go into this and you say, how am
• 27:39
  Speaker 3: I going to reward him? And the employer says, you
• 27:41
  Speaker 3: know what, You're the best employee I have.
• 27:44
  Speaker 2: You had two great years. You're so good.
• 27:47
  Speaker 3: I'm going to compare you to the only person I
• 27:51
  Speaker 3: can compare you to, and that's the best employee I've
• 27:53
  Speaker 3: had ten years ago. So I'm going to give you
• 27:56
  Speaker 3: his salary that he got ten years ago. And I said, well,
• 27:59
  Speaker 3: the employer, he would say, what, there are current players
• 28:03
  Speaker 3: that are making current values. Why would you ever choose
• 28:08
  Speaker 3: the salary of somebody eight to ten years ago? And
• 28:12
  Speaker 3: the employer says, because you're so good, it's the only
• 28:14
  Speaker 3: one I can compare to. And I said, the employee
• 28:17
  Speaker 3: would leave, he would lead because he treated that way.
• 28:20
  Speaker 3: And I said, but the difference here is is that
• 28:23
  Speaker 3: trek school wile can't lead, can't lead. And so that's
• 28:26
  Speaker 3: why he's reliant on this process in this panel to
• 28:30
  Speaker 3: justify that his performance is placed in what the bargaining
• 28:36
  Speaker 3: parties agreed to, which is the current market. And you're
• 28:40
  Speaker 3: exchanged with exhibits. You're given those things annually. You know
• 28:43
  Speaker 3: what the salaries are, they're there before you. And listed
• 28:46
  Speaker 3: in those exhibits is none other than Blake Snell. And
• 28:50
  Speaker 3: of course we hear, oh this agree, this thing is
• 28:53
  Speaker 3: about Sodo Snell. Burns areata sure as it's all about
• 28:59
  Speaker 3: the Boris client and I go, well, we're we're blessed
• 29:03
  Speaker 3: to represent great players. But the truth of the matter
• 29:07
  Speaker 3: is that the five mls top of the market for
• 29:11
  Speaker 3: a platform cy Young is what the truth of the
• 29:14
  Speaker 3: value of Trek Schouoble is. And that was based upon
• 29:18
  Speaker 3: what we did with Max Schures or with the very
• 29:20
  Speaker 3: Detroit Tigers, the very same ownership.
• 29:23
  Speaker 2: Absolutely all right.
• 29:26
  Speaker 4: So, by the way, I love your chair that disappears
• 29:29
  Speaker 4: every time you move the chair behind you over your
• 29:31
  Speaker 4: It must be your left right shoulder. Every time you
• 29:34
  Speaker 4: move it like comes in and out because your background.
• 29:36
  Speaker 4: But it's just it's freaking me out a little bit.
• 29:39
  Speaker 2: Shots.
• 29:40
  Speaker 4: I don't know, it's like every see see there it is, no, now,
• 29:42
  Speaker 4: what's gone?
• 29:43
  Speaker 1: There it is?
• 29:44
  Speaker 2: I apologize, I don't I don't mean to move.
• 29:47
  Speaker 6: No, it's no, no, it's fine, It's just it just
• 29:49
  Speaker 6: keeps yourself. Yeah.
• 29:51
  Speaker 4: Uh so in this in this hearing, the rumor is
• 29:54
  Speaker 4: there was like forty lawyers. I don't know how many
• 29:57
  Speaker 4: you had, how many of the unions or the owner
• 30:00
  Speaker 4: side had. But then you brought in a special guest
• 30:02
  Speaker 4: in Bruce Meyer. So you did you not think, Scott
• 30:04
  Speaker 4: that you could argue this case without bringing in Bruce Meyer.
• 30:08
  Speaker 4: I don't understand, because see, Bruce Meyers is the second
• 30:11
  Speaker 4: in command. People that I gotta sorry, I gotta explain
• 30:14
  Speaker 4: a couple things. Bruce Meyer is the second in command
• 30:16
  Speaker 4: at the Union. And MLS, by the way, is not
• 30:18
  Speaker 4: Major League Soccer. It's Major League Service Time. So people
• 30:21
  Speaker 4: out there listening are like, why is he talking soccer
• 30:23
  Speaker 4: all the time. So, but I figured Scott.
• 30:25
  Speaker 6: With you, you just want to argue. But then you brought
• 30:27
  Speaker 6: in Bruce Meyer for help.
• 30:29
  Speaker 4: I was like, wait a second, this doesn't sound like
• 30:30
  Speaker 4: the Scott Bors that we've heard about.
• 30:33
  Speaker 3: Well, no, you have thirty minutes in rebuttal and I
• 30:36
  Speaker 3: took twenty five of it. But I felt I needed
• 30:40
  Speaker 3: the bargaining party of the union to explain and certify
• 30:48
  Speaker 3: that our interpretation of the CBA was consistent with what
• 30:53
  Speaker 3: the union's position was, and I think it was important
• 30:57
  Speaker 3: for the panel to do that, and Bruce did an
• 30:59
  Speaker 3: excellent job of coming in for five minutes and say, look,
• 31:03
  Speaker 3: this interpretation they're speaking of is exactly right, this is
• 31:07
  Speaker 3: exactly how this works.
• 31:09
  Speaker 2: This is the history you've been given.
• 31:10
  Speaker 3: In the history, we agree with this, and the reality
• 31:14
  Speaker 3: of it is that that being the bargaining, the deputy
• 31:19
  Speaker 3: director of the Major League Baseball Players associating their interpretation
• 31:22
  Speaker 3: of the CBA is exactly in accordance with ours and
• 31:26
  Speaker 3: exactly when we bargain. This is what we do and
• 31:29
  Speaker 3: how we do it. And we wanted the panel to
• 31:32
  Speaker 3: know these arbitrators are you know, in the legal community,
• 31:37
  Speaker 3: these men and women are elite. They are brilliant minds,
• 31:42
  Speaker 3: they're well written, their studied, they are members of the
• 31:46
  Speaker 3: National Arbitration Association. It's a high order group. And you
• 31:52
  Speaker 3: want to make sure that an advocate than an advocate
• 31:55
  Speaker 3: as myself for the players, when I'm giving them a
• 31:58
  Speaker 3: foundation an interpretation of the CBA, you want to know
• 32:03
  Speaker 3: that the contract enforcers and that is they deal with
• 32:07
  Speaker 3: union and management, uh, the representatives of the union, that
• 32:12
  Speaker 3: the advocate is actually addressing the CBA in the same
• 32:19
  Speaker 3: manner as the governing body, which under the National Labor
• 32:23
  Speaker 3: Relations Act is the sanctioned representatives of the players. The
• 32:29
  Speaker 3: advocates like myself are given the privilege from the NLRB
• 32:34
  Speaker 3: and through the MLBPA to negotiate and represent players individually,
• 32:41
  Speaker 3: but the true representatives under the labor National Labor Relations
• 32:45
  Speaker 3: Act is the MLBPA, and they are the ones that
• 32:50
  Speaker 3: would have to certify our interpretation, and I wanted to
• 32:54
  Speaker 3: make sure in the hearing that we allotted a few
• 32:56
  Speaker 3: minutes for that to be done.
• 32:59
  Speaker 5: Scott, you're a lawyer, and I don't think lawyers deal
• 33:01
  Speaker 5: with hypotheticals, but in my life I love hypotheticals. Was
• 33:05
  Speaker 5: there a hypothetical number that you would have agreed to
• 33:08
  Speaker 5: had the Tigers not been trial and file? And if
• 33:13
  Speaker 5: you can't give us that number, was it less than
• 33:15
  Speaker 5: the thirty two that Scoble got.
• 33:19
  Speaker 3: You know, whenever you're an advocate for a player and
• 33:21
  Speaker 3: you talk about what you can do in a case
• 33:26
  Speaker 3: and what's your probability of doing it, that has to
• 33:29
  Speaker 3: go into the settlement process. And whenever you're looking at settlement,
• 33:35
  Speaker 3: you're looking at it in a different theater than you
• 33:38
  Speaker 3: would in a true trial. Now when you walk into
• 33:43
  Speaker 3: those rooms, it's three arbitrators and yeah, there's like fifty
• 33:46
  Speaker 3: sixty people in.
• 33:47
  Speaker 2: That room, it's the lions. Then it is.
• 33:51
  Speaker 3: You go in, it's intense, it's there, it's a moment,
• 33:55
  Speaker 3: and you know in that room a lot of things
• 33:56
  Speaker 3: going to happen, a lot of things can, and you
• 33:59
  Speaker 3: try to tactically is strategically apply. It's a completely different
• 34:03
  Speaker 3: environment than a settlement environment, and you have to understand
• 34:06
  Speaker 3: that and entertain that, and that know that everything that
• 34:10
  Speaker 3: you may demand in as an advocate in a trial
• 34:15
  Speaker 3: setting is that there is a valuation in there. That
• 34:18
  Speaker 3: must consider that the mere fact that the arbitration panel
• 34:23
  Speaker 3: can decide on an argument that is not what you
• 34:27
  Speaker 3: consider the best argument, but their argument. So all those
• 34:31
  Speaker 3: factors have to be considered. And of course in settlement discussions,
• 34:36
  Speaker 3: you're looking at how two parties interpret it in conversation
• 34:42
  Speaker 3: an oral advocacy with one another, and I try to
• 34:46
  Speaker 3: listen for the good points. I try to listen to
• 34:48
  Speaker 3: tell me how I go to my player and be
• 34:50
  Speaker 3: truthful as to his value.
• 34:52
  Speaker 2: That's the goal.
• 34:53
  Speaker 3: How do I tell them truthfully what the value is.
• 34:56
  Speaker 3: And I've had teams sometimes raise things to me that
• 34:58
  Speaker 3: we didn't think of too often, but sometimes, and you
• 35:02
  Speaker 3: know what, they're good points. You tell it to the player.
• 35:04
  Speaker 3: And I've never had a major league player not tell me,
• 35:06
  Speaker 3: you know what, that's a good point. They're right, I
• 35:08
  Speaker 3: should probably lower my sights a little bit and get
• 35:11
  Speaker 3: this thing done.
• 35:12
  Speaker 2: But I think the truth of what.
• 35:17
  Speaker 3: You do in settlement is that over ten years, over
• 35:21
  Speaker 3: two hundred and fifty cases, and we're settling all of them.
• 35:24
  Speaker 2: But six. Yeah, you listen, Yeah.
• 35:27
  Speaker 3: You you really walk through this and comprehend their position
• 35:32
  Speaker 3: and try to reach a fair number. It's probably not
• 35:35
  Speaker 3: the all number, but it's the fair number, the truth number.
• 35:40
  Speaker 4: Scott, did other agents call you and say thank you
• 35:42
  Speaker 4: for winning this case? And other players? Because all this,
• 35:45
  Speaker 4: I mean, all this does is bring up other guys'
• 35:48
  Speaker 4: ability to make more money?
• 35:50
  Speaker 6: Right?
• 35:50
  Speaker 4: So did you get thank your notes from other agents
• 35:53
  Speaker 4: and players that aren't your players?
• 35:56
  Speaker 3: You know, I've been doing this for over forty five
• 35:59
  Speaker 3: years and I have never had an arbitration response from
• 36:07
  Speaker 3: you know, I had thirty players call me in one day,
• 36:12
  Speaker 3: and I through journalists.
• 36:14
  Speaker 2: And people like that.
• 36:15
  Speaker 3: I've received commentary from other representatives and other players.
• 36:21
  Speaker 2: That didn't call me directly.
• 36:23
  Speaker 3: But what I'm really pleased about is that the interpretation
• 36:28
  Speaker 3: of the CBA was clearly understood. A panel of people
• 36:36
  Speaker 3: who look at cbas and contracts really know how this
• 36:42
  Speaker 3: should have really been followed.
• 36:46
  Speaker 2: And I think we brought clarity to the game.
• 36:49
  Speaker 3: And as to the impact it's going to have, you know,
• 36:52
  Speaker 3: that depends on a lot of factors as to going forward,
• 36:58
  Speaker 3: having the standards and ability and skills to articulate when
• 37:06
  Speaker 3: on what went on here, and but we will see.
• 37:10
  Speaker 3: But I certainly think it put a platform out for clarity,
• 37:14
  Speaker 3: clarity of what we have, a better understanding of how
• 37:19
  Speaker 3: the CBA is to be applied.
• 37:22
  Speaker 4: You know, Paul Skanes is gonna send you He should
• 37:24
  Speaker 4: send you that one of one card from a couple
• 37:25
  Speaker 4: of years ago at tops, you know where everyone was
• 37:28
  Speaker 4: looking for it and it ended up being sold for
• 37:29
  Speaker 4: like two million dollars. You should just sent that to
• 37:31
  Speaker 4: you because when a couple of years, when it's his turns, God,
• 37:34
  Speaker 4: he's gonna be like that. One argument was God more,
• 37:36
  Speaker 4: it's a Turk scooble. But anyways, we're not talking about
• 37:38
  Speaker 4: other players. We're only talking about your players. What do
• 37:40
  Speaker 4: you think about a cap? Okay, I know we've kind
• 37:42
  Speaker 4: of had a little bit of this conversation, but a
• 37:44
  Speaker 4: cap hasn't solved things?
• 37:46
  Speaker 6: And then why doesn't the union? And we've and when I've.
• 37:48
  Speaker 4: Asked this question, and Scott and Eric have asked this question,
• 37:51
  Speaker 4: the union never comes out and really says much. And
• 37:54
  Speaker 4: I always am like, you guys need to say more.
• 37:56
  Speaker 4: You need to say more. And it seems like the
• 37:57
  Speaker 4: owners win the pr battle because they're out. They're rob
• 38:01
  Speaker 4: Manfred stumping for a cap, right, he has his cap,
• 38:03
  Speaker 4: his cat, people out there doing their thing. So how
• 38:06
  Speaker 4: do we as as obviously I'm on the player side
• 38:10
  Speaker 4: because I'm a former player, but how do we as
• 38:12
  Speaker 4: players get that out there?
• 38:14
  Speaker 6: And how do we tell people?
• 38:14
  Speaker 4: Like because people come up to me and I'm not
• 38:17
  Speaker 4: deep in as deep in this as you are, and
• 38:19
  Speaker 4: they're like, well, baseball needs a salary cap. And then
• 38:21
  Speaker 4: I try to explain the other side, and when you
• 38:23
  Speaker 4: explain it a little bit to him, they're like, oh,
• 38:25
  Speaker 4: you know what, you might have a good point there,
• 38:27
  Speaker 4: So why.
• 38:27
  Speaker 6: Is it cap cap?
• 38:28
  Speaker 2: Cap?
• 38:28
  Speaker 6: Cap cap?
• 38:29
  Speaker 4: And then why doesn't the union come out and say, hey,
• 38:31
  Speaker 4: this is the reason why we're against a cap.
• 38:35
  Speaker 3: You know, the Major League Baseball Players Association is really
• 38:40
  Speaker 3: in a good place. Why we have record revenues, we
• 38:43
  Speaker 3: have record attendance. We have Bruce Myers and Matt Nusbaum
• 38:48
  Speaker 3: and Jeff Berkhani and Ian Panny. We we have people
• 38:51
  Speaker 3: who've been through bargaining we want to sell multiple times,
• 38:54
  Speaker 3: and they're they're really they really understand, they really understand
• 38:59
  Speaker 3: what's salary caps are and what I try to do
• 39:03
  Speaker 3: from an external part, and certainly this is the union
• 39:09
  Speaker 3: in the MLB that are the tridents of what the
• 39:15
  Speaker 3: resolve of this is going to be. But the truth
• 39:19
  Speaker 3: of the matter is that we have so much evidence
• 39:21
  Speaker 3: about the misapplication of lead conduct, particularly with parody, because
• 39:27
  Speaker 3: that's always the argument is parody. And I'll save this
• 39:31
  Speaker 3: for another show when we're doing this in the off season.
• 39:34
  Speaker 3: But I have got so much information and research. I
• 39:38
  Speaker 3: prepared an whole arbitration case on salary cap and so
• 39:41
  Speaker 3: the reality of it is paroity is far worse, far
• 39:46
  Speaker 3: far worse. The lack of parody is far worse in
• 39:48
  Speaker 3: a salary cap environment than it is in a free environment.
• 39:52
  Speaker 3: Why because owners can individually make adjustments to allow their
• 39:58
  Speaker 3: team to be better. They can do all those things.
• 40:02
  Speaker 3: The other part of it is is that every league
• 40:04
  Speaker 3: is full of big markets and small markets.
• 40:07
  Speaker 2: They all are.
• 40:08
  Speaker 3: But the key to all this is not anything to
• 40:12
  Speaker 3: do with what other is that the ills of our
• 40:15
  Speaker 3: game are resolved by revenues. Our METEA rights were exposed,
• 40:21
  Speaker 3: our inability to acquire the true valuation of our media
• 40:26
  Speaker 3: rights was exposed by the NBA contract. They got eight
• 40:30
  Speaker 3: billion because they offered the league. We offer regional and
• 40:34
  Speaker 3: so consequently we're getting half at four billion, and yet
• 40:38
  Speaker 3: our content is double, and yet our ratings are there.
• 40:43
  Speaker 3: And we also offer two hundred million people more from Asia, Korea, Taiwan,
• 40:50
  Speaker 3: Japan and Canada. That those are markets that the NFL
• 40:55
  Speaker 3: and the NBA do not own.
• 40:57
  Speaker 2: They don't own Canada, they don't own Asia. We don't
• 41:00
  Speaker 2: own that like we do.
• 41:02
  Speaker 3: And so we offer that to all the media conglomerates
• 41:05
  Speaker 3: where they can take their product and optimize it by
• 41:08
  Speaker 3: this grand market that no other sport has. What's the
• 41:12
  Speaker 3: value of that. The value of that was not ascertained.
• 41:17
  Speaker 3: That's the problem with our sport because if we have
• 41:20
  Speaker 3: twenty billion to deal with versus four. All the ills
• 41:24
  Speaker 3: of what a lot of owners struggle with today will
• 41:27
  Speaker 3: be resolved and it will not be a label a
• 41:30
  Speaker 3: labor issue. And so in twenty twenty eight, we're going
• 41:34
  Speaker 3: to have something that's going to give us definition, clear
• 41:38
  Speaker 3: definition as to what the revenues of this game are
• 41:41
  Speaker 3: and therefore will have the ability then to adjust and
• 41:46
  Speaker 3: know more about what our labor situation would be and
• 41:50
  Speaker 3: how that the inner workings of it should apply for
• 41:53
  Speaker 3: equities for all clubs. And so the real issue for
• 41:57
  Speaker 3: me is is that how do we define the revenues
• 42:01
  Speaker 3: of the game, and how do we optimize it, and
• 42:03
  Speaker 3: how do we set up a system that is far
• 42:05
  Speaker 3: different from what we use before to negotiate, truly negotiate
• 42:12
  Speaker 3: the value of our rights, which will then propel this
• 42:15
  Speaker 3: game to levels that it's never seen before.
• 42:19
  Speaker 5: Did you see, because you're always doing future evaluations, future
• 42:22
  Speaker 5: values of things, did you see the market working out
• 42:25
  Speaker 5: the way that it did so well? But a year
• 42:29
  Speaker 5: later for Pete Alonzo, for Matt Chapman, for Alex Bregman,
• 42:34
  Speaker 5: for Blake Snell, did you feel like that's what was
• 42:37
  Speaker 5: going to happen? And you said before that it's almost
• 42:40
  Speaker 5: like a concerted effort somewhat against Scott, against the Boris Corp.
• 42:46
  Speaker 5: That did you feel like that one year gap was
• 42:49
  Speaker 5: going to be needed to get the value that you
• 42:52
  Speaker 5: assume and actually a higher value just a year later.
• 42:58
  Speaker 2: You know, Eric, it's a you raise. Another great point
• 43:02
  Speaker 2: is that.
• 43:04
  Speaker 3: It is so hard to tell players that you're so good.
• 43:11
  Speaker 3: You're so good that your free agent right is limited
• 43:16
  Speaker 3: by the qualifying offer you carry with you now draft compensation,
• 43:22
  Speaker 3: where you now have a tent throwing over your freedom.
• 43:28
  Speaker 3: And you're so good that the system has done this
• 43:33
  Speaker 3: to our best players. So it's our system, it's what
• 43:37
  Speaker 3: we bargain for. So I've got to create a path
• 43:40
  Speaker 3: around it. You know, I'm sitting there with Carlos Correa
• 43:44
  Speaker 3: and I said, look, I need to create I created
• 43:49
  Speaker 3: the opt out with Alex Rodriguez in his contract and
• 43:52
  Speaker 3: use that right contractually. I said, this is perfect for
• 43:55
  Speaker 3: this right. But I guess what I'm going to have
• 43:59
  Speaker 3: your free agency when you're really good, it is seven years.
• 44:01
  Speaker 3: It's not six it's seven years. You're going to have
• 44:04
  Speaker 3: to go in to get your value because they're going
• 44:06
  Speaker 3: to come in and offer you roughly forty cents fifty
• 44:09
  Speaker 3: cents on the dollar for your free agent value and
• 44:12
  Speaker 3: hope you take it. So I'm going to have to
• 44:14
  Speaker 3: do a system an approach to this that's going to
• 44:17
  Speaker 3: allow you to bridge this to get a freedom in value.
• 44:23
  Speaker 2: But here's the data, here's your.
• 44:26
  Speaker 3: Age, here's your performance levels, here's what we think. And
• 44:31
  Speaker 3: in some instances you may sign. But in most instances,
• 44:34
  Speaker 3: with these gifted players, I'm going to say to them
• 44:37
  Speaker 3: that you have to go back and talk about who
• 44:39
  Speaker 3: you are.
• 44:40
  Speaker 2: What you're doing.
• 44:41
  Speaker 3: And with Bragman and Alonzo and Snell and Chapman and Korea,
• 44:47
  Speaker 3: we all did the bridge contracts with the opt outs,
• 44:51
  Speaker 3: and teams benefited from that because they got great skill,
• 44:56
  Speaker 3: a free agent that's worth two three hundred million dollars.
• 45:00
  Speaker 3: They get him for a one year value. It's great
• 45:02
  Speaker 3: for them, but you have to go back to what
• 45:05
  Speaker 3: we bargained. We bargain for that. I always hate to
• 45:11
  Speaker 3: see the greatest players get injured by something we bargain for,
• 45:15
  Speaker 3: but the fact that it metas we bargain for it,
• 45:17
  Speaker 3: so we have to accept it. We have to work
• 45:19
  Speaker 3: through it. And I'm so happy that you know you
• 45:24
  Speaker 3: want motivation to watch something every night. When you have
• 45:27
  Speaker 3: a player at a bridge contract is a great player
• 45:30
  Speaker 3: and you're watching them you every night, every night, Oh
• 45:35
  Speaker 3: that game is a different game for you because you're
• 45:38
  Speaker 3: you're making decisions that have a dramatic effect on his
• 45:41
  Speaker 3: family where it could make literally one hundred anywhere from
• 45:46
  Speaker 3: fifty to one hundred and fifty million dollars difference in
• 45:49
  Speaker 3: how their family is going to be for the rest
• 45:51
  Speaker 3: of their lives. And that's what makes this game fun
• 45:54
  Speaker 3: for me. You got a not in your stomach all
• 45:56
  Speaker 3: the time, and you wake up with it and you
• 45:59
  Speaker 3: hope by the end of the day, at the end
• 46:02
  Speaker 3: of the day that it's it's something that's you've quelled.
• 46:06
  Speaker 3: But it's no different than in a bat you know,
• 46:09
  Speaker 3: you go in and you know, you know, I remember
• 46:14
  Speaker 3: facing Bob Welch and I'm sitting there in double A
• 46:16
  Speaker 3: and I'm going and I got a big knot in
• 46:18
  Speaker 3: my stomach. But you know, you sit there at second
• 46:21
  Speaker 3: base and you get a basis loaded double and you
• 46:23
  Speaker 3: go there and you go like, oh, life's great. So
• 46:25
  Speaker 3: same thing when these guys come through and they're they
• 46:30
  Speaker 3: get it done. There's such champions there, they're there, and
• 46:34
  Speaker 3: what all those goods did. I have great respect for
• 46:36
  Speaker 3: him because you know what, they bet on themselves. They
• 46:38
  Speaker 3: believed in themselves. They had a choice not to. They
• 46:41
  Speaker 3: could have taken far less and secured it, but they
• 46:44
  Speaker 3: chose to prove it they were and they've all been
• 46:46
  Speaker 3: rewarded for it.
• 46:48
  Speaker 4: That's that's awesome. Now, what do you think about where
• 46:51
  Speaker 4: we're at and pictures and catchers reporting, and some guys
• 46:54
  Speaker 4: are starting to sign like fast, right, and you have
• 46:56
  Speaker 4: some guys left out there.
• 46:58
  Speaker 6: Do you believe that there's a pressure on people? And
• 47:01
  Speaker 6: how do you keep your clients that are still free
• 47:04
  Speaker 6: agents from panicking like you said, and trying to get
• 47:07
  Speaker 6: what their value is instead of the panic move. I mean,
• 47:10
  Speaker 6: I have to get in on a team here before
• 47:12
  Speaker 6: it gets too late.
• 47:15
  Speaker 3: You know what I find aj The greater the player,
• 47:18
  Speaker 3: the greater the trust. And I've always used this metaphor,
• 47:23
  Speaker 3: when you're the stake, you don't really care what dinner
• 47:25
  Speaker 3: time is. You know, you kind of sit there, you
• 47:28
  Speaker 3: walk through it. You know who you are, you know
• 47:31
  Speaker 3: what you're doing, You trust yourself, and you wait for
• 47:34
  Speaker 3: that optimum moment that requires something that you as a player,
• 47:39
  Speaker 3: feel is equitable for you to make a move.
• 47:42
  Speaker 2: And markets are so different.
• 47:45
  Speaker 3: Sometimes they're early, like with Cese, I had an early
• 47:47
  Speaker 3: market this year and I have a great performer. The
• 47:50
  Speaker 3: I mean, Ceas and Gallon are the two most durable
• 47:52
  Speaker 3: pitchers in the game. They really are. Ce signs early.
• 47:57
  Speaker 3: Gallen is still going to get something done here soon.
• 48:00
  Speaker 3: But the durability, I mean, when you're in the postseason
• 48:05
  Speaker 3: and you have pitchers that can throw one hundred and
• 48:06
  Speaker 3: forty hundred and fifty innings, they're not available for the postseason.
• 48:10
  Speaker 3: When you have players like Gallon and Cease, when they
• 48:12
  Speaker 3: can throw the one to eighty every year, those are
• 48:14
  Speaker 3: the guys that are going to be available for you
• 48:16
  Speaker 3: in the postseason and they have postseasons, experience, excellence, and
• 48:20
  Speaker 3: then when you're trying to win, you want that type
• 48:23
  Speaker 3: of player.
• 48:23
  Speaker 5: No question, how soon? How soon is Gallen ready? And
• 48:29
  Speaker 5: how is this off season gone? In the sense of
• 48:33
  Speaker 5: calls for you, has it been more silent because of
• 48:37
  Speaker 5: how the cease the cease negotiations went. It was so early,
• 48:42
  Speaker 5: and now you're saying, possibly Gallan will sign soon. Why
• 48:47
  Speaker 5: why was it quiet for him? Based on you know
• 48:51
  Speaker 5: this offseason for him.
• 48:54
  Speaker 3: Well, I think that when your platform season, he finished
• 48:57
  Speaker 3: with like a top ten year last two months of
• 49:00
  Speaker 3: the season. He had an issue early on in the
• 49:03
  Speaker 3: season with his fashball command, which he corrected. And so
• 49:06
  Speaker 3: when you go to look at those kinds of things,
• 49:08
  Speaker 3: the clubs are going to they're going to want to
• 49:10
  Speaker 3: know what adjustments for made, what is it, how do
• 49:13
  Speaker 3: you do it? And the idea of it is is
• 49:15
  Speaker 3: that he has.
• 49:16
  Speaker 2: Guess what the qualifying offer.
• 49:20
  Speaker 3: He has the qualifying offer, and when you have the
• 49:22
  Speaker 3: qualifying offer, you can better believe. I have the media say,
• 49:26
  Speaker 3: oh my god, Boris can't get his players signed, he
• 49:28
  Speaker 3: can't do this, he can't do that. But whenever you
• 49:31
  Speaker 3: have a player with a qualifying offer, guess what it's
• 49:34
  Speaker 3: going to be something where the teams are going to
• 49:35
  Speaker 3: go for players where they don't have to give up
• 49:37
  Speaker 3: draft status, they don't have to give up draft picks.
• 49:39
  Speaker 3: They're going to go there first, obviously, because that way
• 49:42
  Speaker 3: they get to sign free agents without giving up draft picks.
• 49:45
  Speaker 2: But sometimes it comes down to.
• 49:47
  Speaker 3: Where a lot of clubs have to decide, am I
• 49:49
  Speaker 3: going to give up a draft pick or am I
• 49:51
  Speaker 3: going to compete for the playoffs, and that's really where's
• 49:54
  Speaker 3: that Gallon's at. A lot of these clubs, a lot
• 49:57
  Speaker 3: of them are wholly different in who they are in
• 49:59
  Speaker 3: their playoff abilities versus giving up a you know, a
• 50:06
  Speaker 3: second or third round draft pick, and they have to
• 50:09
  Speaker 3: make that decision. They hesitate. It's always usually late, but
• 50:13
  Speaker 3: no different than Snell or Alonzo or a Bragman whatever.
• 50:17
  Speaker 3: A great performer like Zach Allen has a qualifying offer
• 50:20
  Speaker 3: on him and he's in the same position all of
• 50:22
  Speaker 3: them they're in.
• 50:23
  Speaker 2: That's the truth.
• 50:25
  Speaker 4: By the way, I'd love to hear you and Max
• 50:26
  Speaker 4: Scherzer talk. You guys must talk for like three days
• 50:29
  Speaker 4: when you guys with each other. I mean, because you
• 50:32
  Speaker 4: just would go and go and it would be all entertaining.
• 50:35
  Speaker 4: So I would I would love to just be a
• 50:38
  Speaker 4: fly on the wall and listen to those conversations because
• 50:40
  Speaker 4: I guarantee between you and Max and it's it's NonStop.
• 50:44
  Speaker 4: So I don't know what to say about that. But
• 50:47
  Speaker 4: Louise Robert, you had Louise Robert. You have Louise Robert
• 50:50
  Speaker 4: as a client, You had him out at Boris camp
• 50:52
  Speaker 4: and as a White Sox fan and somebody that has
• 50:54
  Speaker 4: always wanted Louise Robert to be a superstar.
• 50:57
  Speaker 6: What did he do this offseason?
• 50:59
  Speaker 4: Because everyone's like, oh, he's in great shape and he's
• 51:01
  Speaker 4: going to be great for the Mets and this and that,
• 51:03
  Speaker 4: But what did he change this off season?
• 51:07
  Speaker 3: Well, we took over Luis about over a year ago
• 51:11
  Speaker 3: and we found something. And we found something that we
• 51:14
  Speaker 3: brought to him about oh July of last year about
• 51:19
  Speaker 3: how to get him back to being himself and what
• 51:22
  Speaker 3: the difference was in his approach and what he was
• 51:24
  Speaker 3: doing in the batter's box and how he managed himself.
• 51:28
  Speaker 3: And I'm no hitting coach and never intend to be,
• 51:31
  Speaker 3: but in our study and evaluation of him, we knew
• 51:35
  Speaker 3: when he was elite and how he performed elite at
• 51:38
  Speaker 3: the big league level. We had that in our library
• 51:41
  Speaker 3: to be able to illustrate to him that these adjustments
• 51:44
  Speaker 3: are truly him, not what he was doing currently. And boy,
• 51:48
  Speaker 3: he had like a well over an eight hundred ops
• 51:51
  Speaker 3: for the rest of the season and did great and
• 51:53
  Speaker 3: I think the.
• 51:54
  Speaker 2: Mets saw this. But the best thing is when you talk.
• 51:57
  Speaker 3: About Max Schuers or the thing you learn about greatness
• 52:02
  Speaker 3: from all of them, Framatos and many of the people
• 52:05
  Speaker 3: that I've had the great fortune, you know, Garrit Cole,
• 52:09
  Speaker 3: You learn from greatness about how you talk to players
• 52:16
  Speaker 3: and what you do when they have great ability, and
• 52:18
  Speaker 3: how to approach it and what's effective.
• 52:21
  Speaker 2: And you have that route and path where you have.
• 52:24
  Speaker 3: To confront them sometimes, but you also have to understand
• 52:27
  Speaker 3: and listen and give them a choice and a pathway
• 52:30
  Speaker 3: where they choose, they're invested and they go. And also
• 52:35
  Speaker 3: I have one Soto at our Boris Sport Performances camp,
• 52:39
  Speaker 3: and we have one in Florida, we have one in Arizona,
• 52:41
  Speaker 3: we have one in California. I have one Soto and
• 52:45
  Speaker 3: Luis Robert together. Ironically, they're going to be teammates. To
• 52:49
  Speaker 3: watch one Sodo work out every day, to watch what
• 52:53
  Speaker 3: one Sodo does, to sit down and talk to one
• 52:56
  Speaker 3: Sodo about how he approaches his control of the zone,
• 53:02
  Speaker 3: what he's done. I remember talking to one Soda when
• 53:05
  Speaker 3: he was seventeen about how Barry Bonds and Willie Mays
• 53:09
  Speaker 3: taught me about zone control and what the benefits of
• 53:14
  Speaker 3: that are and what you do, and Juan Soto adapted that.
• 53:18
  Speaker 3: I mean, one Soda didn't walk his first hundred bats
• 53:20
  Speaker 3: and pro ball. He adopted that to the extreme, and
• 53:24
  Speaker 3: now he gets.
• 53:24
  Speaker 2: To share that day to day with Luise Robert. It's relaxing.
• 53:28
  Speaker 3: It's comforting because now Luis Robert gets to be around
• 53:32
  Speaker 3: a true superstar. He gets to be around somebody that
• 53:37
  Speaker 3: he can go to daily and he gets to share
• 53:41
  Speaker 3: and he walks out of the ballpark even after a
• 53:44
  Speaker 3: bad day, with comfort and direction, so that he's excited
• 53:48
  Speaker 3: about coming to the ballpark the next day because he
• 53:51
  Speaker 3: has two things he didn't have in Chicago. He's got
• 53:55
  Speaker 3: the presence of a superstar to rely on, and he
• 53:58
  Speaker 3: has a chance to.
• 53:59
  Speaker 2: Win every day.
• 54:01
  Speaker 3: And so those are the kinds of things that invigorate players,
• 54:04
  Speaker 3: and in my mind, is going to allow Luis Robert
• 54:07
  Speaker 3: to have an extraordinary year because he's a great talent.
• 54:10
  Speaker 6: What was it? Tell us give us the secrets of
• 54:13
  Speaker 6: bors camp? Maybe I can still play it.
• 54:14
  Speaker 4: If you can figure out something that I could do
• 54:17
  Speaker 4: forty nine years old, maybe I could make a comeback.
• 54:19
  Speaker 2: What was the secret aj that flat bat? Swing?
• 54:23
  Speaker 3: Get on top that high fastball? You knew how to
• 54:25
  Speaker 3: do that? Brother, Good for you.
• 54:28
  Speaker 2: I like it.
• 54:28
  Speaker 3: I remember I was a leftianda hit or Joe, I
• 54:31
  Speaker 3: saw that I go, you have that bad speed.
• 54:33
  Speaker 2: Most characters don't have that bad speed to get on
• 54:34
  Speaker 2: top of that heat. You did, you know, no doubt.
• 54:37
  Speaker 3: But in every case, obviously, when you go through these
• 54:40
  Speaker 3: things personally with players, you certainly don't want pictures to know.
• 54:44
  Speaker 2: A lot of things about what their adjustments are.
• 54:46
  Speaker 6: So that's fair, That's very fair, Scuy.
• 54:53
  Speaker 1: I let these guys mostly cook and ask the questions.
• 54:55
  Speaker 1: I just have one more that I want to ask you,
• 54:57
  Speaker 1: because many fans that just went through free agent, so
• 55:00
  Speaker 1: you see, their teams not participate much. So I know
• 55:04
  Speaker 1: we went into some parts of this already, but almost
• 55:06
  Speaker 1: like trying to remove some of the CBA component to it.
• 55:09
  Speaker 1: You know, when there are plenty of teams you do
• 55:11
  Speaker 1: deals with, you do deals with all of them technically,
• 55:13
  Speaker 1: but some obviously come and kind of say, hey, we
• 55:15
  Speaker 1: don't have much, right like do you believe them? Should
• 55:19
  Speaker 1: fans believe them? And if they really don't have anything
• 55:22
  Speaker 1: to spend in free agency? Is is it a revenue
• 55:25
  Speaker 1: sharing issue? Because then it seems like the big market
• 55:29
  Speaker 1: teams feel as if they've shared a lot of revenue
• 55:31
  Speaker 1: and it doesn't always get spent which I know we've
• 55:33
  Speaker 1: talked about. So basically, I'm just trying to rep the
• 55:35
  Speaker 1: fans that felt like they didn't have fun in this
• 55:38
  Speaker 1: free agent period and what your take is on it
• 55:41
  Speaker 1: when you're having conversations with the decision makers about it,
• 55:46
  Speaker 1: well wast.
• 55:47
  Speaker 3: The I think the fan question is what are their revenues?
• 55:55
  Speaker 3: And the answer is, you know, the way the CBA works,
• 55:59
  Speaker 3: when the Mets the Dodgers spend and they have literally
• 56:03
  Speaker 3: hundreds of million dollars in taxation, that money goes to
• 56:07
  Speaker 3: a pool that's distributed to who the clubs who are
• 56:11
  Speaker 3: not the major market clubs they get, They get those
• 56:16
  Speaker 3: those revenues back to them in addition to getting how
• 56:20
  Speaker 3: much in revenue sharing fifty million, seventy five million. So
• 56:24
  Speaker 3: when a club says we're spending one hundred and thirty
• 56:26
  Speaker 3: and they're getting eighty million in revenue sharing, you're going
• 56:29
  Speaker 3: to go out and find that every club in baseball
• 56:31
  Speaker 3: is making over two hundred and fifty the three hundred
• 56:33
  Speaker 3: and fifty million dollars, but they're they're you know, I
• 56:36
  Speaker 3: saw a percentage of revenue spent in time, you know,
• 56:42
  Speaker 3: so all of a sudden, you see where the Cubs
• 56:45
  Speaker 3: are in the bottom third of that, and they're the
• 56:48
  Speaker 3: third or fourth team in revenue, and you go, okay,
• 56:52
  Speaker 3: well that gets out. Fans are aware, and then maybe
• 56:56
  Speaker 3: the Cub's made some adjustments and signing Bregman and maybe
• 56:59
  Speaker 3: they'll make more a job, signy more people. But the
• 57:01
  Speaker 3: fact of the matter is, when you get down to it,
• 57:04
  Speaker 3: is that it is very clear in today's game that
• 57:08
  Speaker 3: every club could afford one or two free agents major
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  Speaker 3: free agents. They might not be able to afford five
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  Speaker 3: or six, but they can afford one or two. And
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  Speaker 3: so the reality of that is is that when you
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  Speaker 3: don't have revenue transparency, you get to say a lot
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  Speaker 3: of things, and you get to go through and say that, look,
• 57:29
  Speaker 3: we have a bottom line. We're not going to go
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  Speaker 3: that because we want to profit this much from the game.
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  Speaker 3: They're owners that clearly do that, because we those of
• 57:38
  Speaker 3: us who mine the revenues of the game, know what
• 57:40
  Speaker 3: they're making. But unless you're the Atlanta Braves, you can say, well,
• 57:44
  Speaker 3: why are the Braves making three and four hundred million
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  Speaker 3: a year? Why are they just making one hundred and
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  Speaker 3: fifty and go and spending on more free agents Because
• 57:51
  Speaker 3: they're much like the top five, six seven revenue teams,
• 57:56
  Speaker 3: why aren't they doing this? And a fan, when you
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  Speaker 3: bring transparency, allows them to weigh what the teams are doing,
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  Speaker 3: because for me, I don't. I think every owner should
• 58:06
  Speaker 3: have the right to do what he wants to do,
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  Speaker 3: but I also believe he should be accountable for doing it,
• 58:12
  Speaker 3: and transparency brings that so that the fans understand about this.
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  Speaker 3: I've always believed that in the player community, you are
• 58:21
  Speaker 3: rewarded based on your performance and you're also penalized based
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  Speaker 3: on your performance.
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  Speaker 2: We need to bring that to sport. We need rewards
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  Speaker 2: for winning.
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  Speaker 3: We always talk about rewards for winning, we also need
• 58:35
  Speaker 3: to know that, you know, if I'm the Milwaukee Brewers
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  Speaker 3: or Tampa Bay or whatever, and I'm doing things and
• 58:41
  Speaker 3: I'm winning a division, I need to get a big
• 58:43
  Speaker 3: reward for that because you know, what I did something
• 58:46
  Speaker 3: that is exactly what we want from the game. We
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  Speaker 3: want our clubs that are not in major markets performing
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  Speaker 3: like major markets on the field, but we don't apply that.
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  Speaker 3: We don't do that, we don't give them reverence for
• 59:00
  Speaker 3: their performance. And I think that also when we have
• 59:03
  Speaker 3: teams that are continually losing, they're continually out of the playoffs,
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  Speaker 3: and we give them time, give them five, six, seven years.
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  Speaker 3: When you're not in the playoffs, you're getting decreased revenue sharing.
• 59:15
  Speaker 3: You're not doing that well you because you're not returning
• 59:17
  Speaker 3: to the league a proper plan to make the league better,
• 59:22
  Speaker 3: and that I think is something that I'm not sure
• 59:26
  Speaker 3: a union can do it.
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  Speaker 2: I'm not sure a collective Barny agreemd done.
• 59:29
  Speaker 3: But I think the game would be a lot better
• 59:31
  Speaker 3: if owners ran the game and owners said, I only
• 59:35
  Speaker 3: want good operators.
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  Speaker 2: In this game.
• 59:37
  Speaker 3: That's what I want. I want great operators in this game.
• 59:41
  Speaker 3: Someone came to me about expansion. What's the greatest expansion market, Well,
• 59:45
  Speaker 3: it's the Bay Area because they have twelve to fourteen
• 59:48
  Speaker 3: million people, and someone left to go to a smaller
• 59:52
  Speaker 3: market so they could get revenue sharing. I go, yes,
• 59:54
  Speaker 3: If I'm a new owner, I'm not going to give
• 59:57
  Speaker 3: that to the Giants. I'm going to make sure that
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  Speaker 3: the greatest expansion franchise and the TV rights are going
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 3: to move a team to the Bay Area because we
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 3: have such a volume of fans there to support a
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 3: great fan base on high.
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 2: TV ratings to do it. So we have all this
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 2: all this.
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  Speaker 3: Proper assessment of revenues that is not transparent that creates
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 3: questions like you've just given Scott.
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  Speaker 2: Good thank you.
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  Speaker 1: I think a lot of fans were live acting listening
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  Speaker 1: to that and needed to hear that we're asking for
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  Speaker 1: stewards of the game to care and to be transparent
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 1: with fans.
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  Speaker 4: By the way, one thing I'll say this, Scott, Scott,
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 4: we don't have to name the team, but there was
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 4: one team that would not negotiate with you at all,
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 4: and you knew who they were. So that's funny that
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 4: it's a new regime there now, but at one time
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 4: there was a major thing where a certain team would
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 4: not even call Scott. He knows who it is. And also,
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 4: you need to give someone else a raise. You need
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 4: to give one of your lawyers a raise. That's just
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 4: for me. So that's it.
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  Speaker 1: Well, Scott, we've got more and we bargained for in
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  Speaker 1: time and really appreciate it. It had been a minute. I
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 1: think it was worth it. It was good recap of
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 1: what's been going on over the last few months. You know,
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 1: we appreciate it. Fans love to hear it, and like
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 1: you said, you publicize it by talking about it on
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 1: shows like this too, where you can just go wherever
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 1: you want to go.
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  Speaker 6: So thank you.
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 1: Great to catch up with you and we'll talk to
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  Speaker 1: you soon.
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 2: Scott aj Eric, thanks for your time. It's always a pleasure.
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 2: Thank you.