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Batman & Robin · Verbal Diorama

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Hi,
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everyone.
2:22
I'm
2:22
Em.
2:23
And
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welcome
2:23
to
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Verbal
2:23
Diorama,
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episode
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307,
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Batman
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and
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Robin.
2:28
This
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is
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the
2:28
podcast
2:28
that's
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all
2:29
about
2:29
the
2:29
history
2:29
and
2:29
legacy
2:30
of
2:30
movies
2:30
you
2:30
know
2:31
and
2:31
movies
2:32
you
2:32
don't.
2:32
And
2:33
allow
2:33
me
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to
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break
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the
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ice.
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My
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name
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is
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Em.
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I
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host
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Verbal
2:37
Diorama.
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Learn
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it
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well,
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for
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it
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is
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no
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chilling
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sound,
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but
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it
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is
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a
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sound
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you
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can
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chill
2:43
with,
2:44
hopefully.
2:45
Welcome
2:46
to
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Verbal
2:46
Diorama
2:47
it's
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ice
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to
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see
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brabrand-newndnewlistenersandregularreturninglisteners.Thankyoufor
2:53
being
2:53
here.
2:53
Thank
2:53
you
2:53
for
2:53
choosing
2:54
to
2:54
listen
2:54
to
2:54
this
2:54
podcast.
2:55
I
2:56
am
2:56
so
2:56
happy
2:56
to
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have
2:56
you
2:57
here
2:57
for
2:57
the
2:57
history
2:58
and
2:58
legacy
3:00
leg
3:00
icy
3:02
of
3:02
Batman
3:02
and
3:03
Robin.
3:03
I
3:03
am
3:04
so
3:04
sorry.
3:05
The
3:05
puns
3:06
in
3:06
this
3:06
movie,
3:07
it's
3:07
just.
3:08
It's
3:08
just.
3:08
They're
3:08
there.
3:09
They're
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just
3:09
there.
3:10
Okay,
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I
3:11
promise
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this
3:11
episode
3:12
is
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not
3:12
going
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to
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be
3:12
fun
3:12
of
3:13
puns.
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I
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just
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wanted
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to
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get
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some
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in
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before
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we
3:15
started
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so
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that
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I'm
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expunged
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of
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all
3:18
my
3:18
puns
3:19
and
3:20
there
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will
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be
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no
3:20
more.
3:22
Maybe.
3:23
I
3:23
can't
3:23
promise.
3:24
There
3:24
may
3:24
be
3:24
some
3:25
at
3:25
the
3:25
end,
3:25
but
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huge
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thank
3:27
you
3:27
to
3:27
everyone
3:28
who
3:28
listens
3:28
to
3:28
this
3:28
podcast
3:29
who
3:29
appreciates
3:30
my
3:30
very
3:31
weird
3:31
sense
3:31
of
3:31
hhumourumorsometimes
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andjusthascontinuedto
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listen
3:34
and
3:35
support
3:35
this
3:35
podcast
3:36
over
3:36
the
3:37
last
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six
3:37
years
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and
3:38
well
3:38
over
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300
3:39
episodes
3:40
now.
3:40
Thank
3:41
you
3:41
so
3:41
much
3:41
for
3:41
your
3:42
support.
3:42
It
3:43
genuinely
3:43
means
3:44
so
3:44
much.
3:45
And
3:46
I'm
3:47
finally
3:47
doing
3:47
an
3:47
episode
3:48
on
3:48
Batman
3:48
and
3:48
Robin.
3:49
This
3:50
has
3:50
been
3:50
such
3:50
a
3:50
long
3:50
time
3:51
coming
3:51
as
3:51
have
3:51
all
3:52
of
3:52
the
3:52
episodes
3:53
this
3:53
month.
3:53
They
3:53
have
3:54
all
3:54
been
3:54
episodes
3:54
that
3:55
have
3:55
been
3:55
a
3:55
long
3:55
time
3:55
coming
3:56
to
3:56
this
3:56
podcast.
3:57
Originally,
3:58
back
3:58
in
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the
3:58
day
3:59
I
3:59
was
3:59
going
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to
4:00
do
4:00
a
4:00
double
4:00
episode
4:01
on
4:01
Batman
4:02
Forever
4:02
and
4:02
Batman
4:03
and
4:03
Robin,
4:04
and
4:04
then
4:04
I
4:05
realized
4:05
the
4:05
stories
4:06
of
4:06
both
4:06
of
4:06
those
4:06
movies
4:07
were
4:07
just
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so
4:07
huge
4:08
that
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I
4:09
basically
4:09
split
4:10
them
4:10
up.
4:10
And
4:11
then
4:11
my
4:11
plan
4:11
was
4:12
to
4:12
do
4:12
Batman
4:12
Forever
4:13
followed
4:13
by
4:14
Batman
4:14
and
4:14
Robin.
4:15
That
4:15
never
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happened.
4:16
So
4:17
I
4:17
did
4:17
Batman
4:17
Forever
4:18
last
4:18
year
4:19
and
4:19
I'm
4:20
finally
4:20
doing
4:20
Batman
4:21
and
4:21
Robin.
4:21
And
4:22
this
4:22
has
4:22
been
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so
4:23
much
4:23
fun,
4:24
genuinely
4:25
doing
4:25
these
4:26
movies,
4:26
doing
4:26
Batman
4:27
Forever
4:27
and
4:27
then
4:28
doing
4:28
Batman
4:28
and
4:28
Robin.
4:29
So
4:30
much
4:30
fun.
4:30
I
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can't
4:31
tell
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you
4:31
how
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appreciative
4:33
of
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both
4:34
of
4:34
these
4:34
movies
4:34
that
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I
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am.
4:36
I'm
4:36
not
4:36
saying
4:36
they're
4:36
the
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greatest
4:37
Batman
4:37
movies,
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but
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I
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really
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genuinely
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do
4:40
appreciate
4:40
both
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of
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these
4:41
movies.
4:42
The
4:43
last
4:43
episode
4:43
was
4:43
on
4:43
Mr.
4:44
And
4:44
Mrs.
4:44
Smith,
4:45
and
4:45
obviously
4:46
that
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was
4:47
also
4:47
a
4:47
long
4:47
time
4:48
coming
4:48
to
4:48
this
4:48
podcast,
4:49
and
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mostly
4:50
about
4:50
the
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intense
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paparazzi
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trying
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to
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get
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a
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shot
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of
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Golden
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Couple
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Brangelina.
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Batman,
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of
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course,
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harkens
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back
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to
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the
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golden
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age
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of
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comics.
4:59
That's
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not
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the
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only
4:59
link
5:00
between
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these
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two
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very
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different
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scenes.
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Mr.
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And
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Mrs.
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Smith
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may
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have
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had
5:04
the
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onset
5:04
chemistry.
5:06
How
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many
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butt
5:07
shots
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did
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it
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have?
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None.
5:10
Were
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there
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pronounced
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Bat
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nipples?
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No,
5:12
there
5:13
were
5:13
not
5:13
in
5:13
Mr.
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And
5:14
Mrs.
5:14
Smith's.
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I
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like
5:15
to
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think
5:16
that
5:16
because
5:16
George
5:17
Clooney
5:17
and
5:17
Brad
5:18
Pitt
5:18
are
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friends
5:19
because
5:19
they
5:19
work
5:19
together
5:20
on
5:20
the
5:20
Ocean's
5:21
films,
5:21
that
5:21
I'm
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pretty
5:22
sure
5:22
that
5:22
Pitt
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would
5:23
have
5:23
ribbed
5:24
Clooney
5:24
about
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his
5:25
time
5:25
as
5:25
the
5:25
Caped
5:26
Crusader.
5:27
Even
5:27
though
5:27
we
5:27
know
5:27
George
5:28
Clooney
5:28
has
5:29
a
5:29
sense
5:29
of
5:29
humor
5:30
about
5:30
this
5:30
movie.
5:31
There's
5:32
also
5:32
a
5:32
lot
5:32
of
5:32
shame,
5:33
I
5:33
think,
5:33
about
5:33
this
5:33
movie,
5:34
but
5:34
also
5:35
cast
5:35
and
5:35
crew
5:35
of
5:36
this
5:36
movie.
5:36
There's
5:36
also
5:36
a
5:36
lot
5:37
of
5:37
sense
5:37
of
5:37
humhumouror,but
5:38
thepapsweren'tjusttrying
5:40
to
5:40
get
5:40
shots
5:41
of
5:41
Brangelina.
5:42
90s
5:42
paparazzi
5:43
also
5:44
swarmed
5:44
the
5:45
Batman
5:45
and
5:45
Robin
5:46
set
5:46
and
5:46
they
5:47
were
5:47
desperate
5:47
for
5:48
a
5:48
photo
5:48
of
5:49
one
5:49
thing
5:49
in
5:49
particular.
5:51
Not
5:51
the
5:52
COD
5:52
pieces,
5:53
unfortunately.
5:54
Let's
5:55
face
5:55
it
5:55
though,
5:55
there's
5:55
something
5:56
about
5:56
an
5:56
anatomically
5:57
correct
5:58
rubber
5:58
suit
5:59
that
5:59
puts
5:59
fire
6:00
in
6:00
a
6:00
girl's
6:01
lips.
6:02
Here's
6:02
the
6:02
trailer
6:02
for
6:03
Batman
6:03
and
6:03
Robin.
8:28
The
8:28
dynamic
8:29
duo
8:29
of
8:29
Batman
8:30
and
8:30
Robin
8:30
work
8:31
to
8:31
protect
8:31
Gotham
8:32
City
8:32
from
8:32
evil
8:32
forces.
8:33
But
8:33
their
8:34
relationship
8:34
is
8:34
challenged
8:35
when
8:35
they
8:35
must
8:35
fight
8:36
the
8:36
ice
8:36
cool
8:37
Mr.
8:37
Freeze
8:37
and
8:38
the
8:38
venomous
8:38
Poison
8:39
Ivy,
8:39
who
8:40
seek
8:40
to
8:40
both
8:40
freeze
8:41
Gotham
8:41
and
8:42
repopulate
8:42
it
8:43
with
8:43
mutant
8:43
plants.
8:44
Joining
8:45
them
8:45
on
8:45
their
8:45
quest
8:45
is
8:45
Barbara
8:46
Wilson,
8:47
the
8:47
niece
8:47
of
8:47
Bruce
8:48
Wayne's
8:48
faithful
8:48
butler
8:49
Alfred,
8:50
who
8:50
joins
8:50
the
8:50
team
8:51
as
8:51
new
8:51
hero
8:52
Batgirl.
8:53
But
8:53
Alfred
8:54
is
8:54
very
8:54
sick,
8:55
and
8:55
it
8:55
turns
8:55
out
8:56
the
8:56
only
8:56
person
8:56
with
8:56
a
8:57
cure
8:57
is
8:57
Mr.
8:58
Freeze.
8:59
Let's
9:00
run
9:00
through
9:00
the
9:00
cast
9:00
of
9:01
this
9:01
movie.
9:01
We
9:02
have
9:02
Arnold
9:02
Schwarzenegger
9:03
as
9:03
Dr.
9:04
Victor
9:04
Freeze,
9:05
aka
9:05
Mr.
9:05
Freeze,
9:06
George
9:07
Clooney
9:07
as
9:08
Bruce
9:08
Wayne,
9:08
aka
9:09
Batman,
9:10
Chris
9:10
O'
9:10
Donnell
9:11
as
9:11
Dick
9:11
Grayson,
9:12
aka
9:13
Robin,
9:14
Uma
9:14
Thurman
9:14
as
9:15
Dr.
9:15
Pamela
9:16
Isley,
9:16
aka
9:17
Poison
9:17
Ivy,
9:18
Alicia
9:19
Silverstone
9:20
as
9:20
Barbara
9:20
Wilson,
9:21
aka
9:22
Batgirl,
9:23
Michael
9:23
Gough
9:24
as
9:24
Alfred
9:24
Pennyworth,
9:25
Pat
9:26
Hingle
9:26
as
9:26
Commissioner
9:27
James
9:27
Gordon
9:28
and
9:28
Elle
9:29
macpherson
9:29
as
9:30
Julie
9:30
Madison.
9:32
Batman
9:32
and
9:32
Robin
9:33
was
9:33
written
9:33
by
9:33
Akiva
9:34
Goldsman,
9:34
directed
9:35
by
9:35
Joel
9:36
Schumacher,
9:37
and
9:37
was
9:37
based
9:37
on
9:37
characters
9:38
appearing
9:38
in
9:38
DC
9:39
Comics
9:39
by
9:39
Bob
9:40
Kane
9:40
and
9:40
Bill
9:41
Finger.
9:43
Riddle
9:43
me
9:44
this.
9:44
Riddle
9:45
me
9:45
that.
9:46
What
9:46
happened
9:47
to
9:47
Schumacher's
9:48
sequel
9:48
to
9:49
Bat
9:50
Man
9:52
Forever?
9:53
So
9:53
much.
9:54
So
9:54
freaking
9:55
much.
9:56
Last
9:56
September
9:57
2024,
9:59
I
9:59
did
9:59
an
9:59
episode
9:59
on
10:00
Batman
10:00
Forever.
10:00
It's
10:01
episode
10:01
271,
10:02
and
10:02
to
10:03
tell
10:03
the
10:03
story
10:03
of
10:04
Batman
10:04
and
10:04
Robin,
10:05
you
10:05
need
10:05
to
10:05
start
10:06
with
10:06
Batman
10:07
Forever.
10:08
So
10:08
I
10:08
will
10:08
just
10:08
wait
10:09
here
10:09
while
10:09
you
10:09
go
10:09
and
10:10
listen
10:10
to
10:10
that.
10:10
If
10:10
you
10:11
already
10:11
haven't,
10:11
or
10:12
if
10:12
you
10:12
did
10:12
and
10:12
you
10:13
need
10:13
a
10:13
refresher,
10:14
please
10:15
go
10:15
and
10:15
listen
10:15
to
10:15
that
10:15
episode.
10:17
But
10:17
the
10:17
Batman
10:17
series
10:18
so
10:18
far
10:18
has
10:19
been
10:19
a
10:19
ride.
10:21
Let's
10:21
summarize.
10:23
After
10:23
Batman
10:24
1989,
10:25
which
10:25
literally
10:25
changed
10:26
the
10:26
face
10:26
of
10:27
not
10:27
just
10:27
superhero
10:28
cinema,
10:28
but
10:29
blockbuster
10:29
cinema,
10:30
marketing,
10:31
promotions,
10:32
fan
10:32
expectations,
10:33
it
10:33
was
10:34
inevitable
10:34
Warner
10:35
Brothers
10:35
would
10:35
want
10:35
a
10:35
sequel
10:36
and
10:36
because
10:36
Tim
10:37
Burton
10:37
delivered
10:38
so
10:38
brilliantly
10:39
the
10:39
first
10:39
time
10:39
around,
10:40
they
10:40
gave
10:41
him
10:41
more
10:41
creative
10:41
control
10:42
on
10:42
the
10:42
sequel.
10:44
And
10:44
then
10:44
he
10:44
delivered
10:45
Batman
10:45
Returns,
10:46
which
10:46
is
10:46
a
10:47
terrific
10:47
Batman
10:47
movie,
10:48
retrospectively
10:49
seen
10:49
as
10:49
one
10:49
of
10:50
the
10:50
highest
10:50
points
10:50
of
10:50
the
10:50
entire
10:51
franchise.
10:52
But
10:52
it
10:52
was
10:52
also
10:53
violent,
10:53
dark,
10:55
scary
10:55
and
10:55
sexual.
10:56
While
10:57
Batman
10:57
Returns
10:57
was
10:58
successful
10:58
at
10:58
the
10:59
box
10:59
office,
10:59
it
11:00
wasn't
11:00
as
11:00
successful
11:01
as
11:01
Batman.
11:02
And
11:02
obviously,
11:03
when
11:03
you're
11:03
in
11:03
the
11:03
movie
11:04
business,
11:04
merchandise
11:05
is
11:05
a
11:06
necessity.
11:07
So
11:08
Joel
11:08
Schumacher
11:09
was
11:09
hired
11:09
to
11:10
bring
11:10
merchandise,
11:11
but
11:12
also
11:12
some
11:12
homoeroticism,
11:13
neon
11:14
and
11:14
batnips
11:14
to
11:15
Batman
11:15
Forever.
11:16
But
11:16
filling
11:16
the
11:16
coffers
11:17
with
11:17
that
11:17
lucrative
11:18
merchandise
11:18
was
11:19
the
11:19
main
11:20
reason
11:20
why
11:20
they
11:21
wanted
11:21
this
11:21
movie.
11:22
They
11:22
had
11:23
to
11:23
persuade
11:23
companies
11:23
to
11:24
come
11:24
back
11:24
to
11:24
the
11:25
bat
11:25
after
11:25
Batman
11:26
Returns,
11:26
and
11:26
that
11:27
wasn't
11:27
a
11:27
particularly
11:28
easy
11:28
task.
11:29
McDonald's
11:29
had
11:29
been
11:30
specifically
11:30
burned
11:31
by
11:31
the
11:31
association
11:32
with
11:32
Catwoman's
11:33
tight
11:33
black
11:33
catsuit
11:34
and
11:34
whips,
11:35
not
11:35
really
11:36
being
11:36
considered
11:36
family
11:37
friendly,
11:38
except
11:38
for
11:38
Indiana
11:39
Jones.
11:40
But
11:40
he
11:40
didn't
11:41
really
11:41
use
11:41
the
11:41
whip
11:42
the
11:42
same
11:42
way
11:42
Michelle
11:42
Pfeiffer
11:43
did.
11:43
He
11:43
also
11:43
didn't
11:44
wear
11:44
skin
11:44
tight
11:44
black
11:45
pvc.
11:46
More's
11:46
the
11:46
shame.
11:47
But
11:47
after
11:48
Batman
11:48
Forever
11:48
did
11:49
the
11:49
business
11:49
in
11:49
June
11:49
1995,
11:51
Warner
11:51
Brothers
11:52
immediately
11:52
commissioned
11:53
a
11:53
sequel
11:53
and
11:54
immediately
11:54
went
11:54
back
11:55
to
11:55
Joel
11:55
Schumacher,
11:56
who
11:56
was
11:56
consistently
11:57
delivering
11:58
for
11:58
the
11:58
studio
11:58
with
11:58
both
11:59
Batman
11:59
and
12:00
his
12:00
more
12:00
serious
12:01
movies
12:01
like
12:02
Falling
12:02
down
12:02
and
12:03
the
12:03
Client.
12:04
First,
12:04
Schumacher
12:05
would
12:05
work
12:06
on
12:06
his
12:06
second
12:06
Grisham
12:07
adaptation,
12:08
A
12:08
Time
12:08
to
12:08
Kill,
12:09
and
12:09
then
12:09
he
12:10
would
12:10
start
12:10
on
12:10
Batman
12:11
4,
12:11
which
12:12
as
12:12
I
12:12
mentioned
12:12
in
12:12
Batman
12:13
Forever
12:13
should
12:14
have
12:14
been
12:15
Batman
12:15
4
12:16
ever.
12:17
And
12:17
Batman
12:17
Forever,
12:18
which
12:18
introduced
12:18
Robin,
12:19
should
12:19
have
12:19
been
12:19
called
12:20
Batman
12:20
and
12:20
Robin,
12:21
but
12:21
I
12:21
digress.
12:22
Also
12:23
returning
12:23
was
12:23
screenwriter
12:24
Akiba
12:24
Goldsman,
12:25
who
12:25
was
12:25
also
12:26
working
12:26
on
12:26
A
12:26
Time
12:27
to
12:27
Kill.
12:27
Schumacher
12:28
and
12:28
Goldsman
12:28
came
12:29
up
12:29
with
12:29
the
12:29
plot
12:29
of
12:29
Batman
12:30
4
12:30
together
12:31
while
12:31
spitballing
12:32
ideas
12:32
during
12:33
Time
12:33
to
12:33
Kill's
12:34
production.
12:35
And
12:35
Warner
12:36
Brothers
12:36
were
12:36
very
12:36
specific.
12:37
They
12:37
knew
12:37
what
12:37
they
12:38
wanted.
12:38
More
12:39
family
12:39
friendly,
12:40
more
12:40
suitable
12:40
for
12:41
children,
12:41
and
12:42
more
12:42
suitable
12:42
for
12:42
the
12:43
toys
12:43
that
12:43
children
12:44
would
12:44
want
12:44
for
12:44
birthdays
12:45
and
12:45
Christmas.
12:46
The
12:46
leap
12:47
of
12:47
faith
12:47
taken
12:47
with
12:48
Batman
12:48
Forever
12:48
had
12:49
paid
12:49
off,
12:49
and
12:50
Warner
12:50
Brothers
12:50
wanted
12:51
more
12:51
Schumacher
12:52
less
12:52
Tim
12:53
Burton.
12:54
And
12:54
indeed,
12:55
this
12:55
would
12:55
be
12:55
the
12:55
only
12:55
Batman
12:56
movie
12:56
that
12:56
wouldn't
12:57
have
12:57
the
12:57
involvement
12:58
of
12:58
Tim
12:58
Burton
12:59
in
12:59
any
12:59
capacity.
13:00
He
13:00
was
13:01
a
13:01
producer
13:01
on
13:01
Batman
13:02
Forever.
13:03
And
13:03
Joel
13:03
schumacher
13:04
completely
13:04
embraced
13:05
the
13:05
60s,
13:06
campy,
13:07
colorful
13:07
Batman
13:08
with
13:08
added
13:08
sound
13:09
effects.
13:09
He
13:10
wanted
13:10
a
13:10
live
13:11
action
13:11
cartoon.
13:13
Early
13:13
on
13:13
in
13:14
the
13:14
process,
13:14
Akiba
13:15
Goldsman
13:15
expressed
13:16
his
13:16
concerns
13:17
about
13:17
the
13:17
sequel
13:18
and
13:18
about
13:18
what
13:18
Warner
13:19
Brothers
13:19
wanted
13:20
from
13:20
it.
13:20
The
13:21
early
13:21
warning
13:21
signs
13:22
were
13:22
then
13:23
Schumacher
13:23
would
13:24
say
13:24
that
13:24
in
13:24
retrospect,
13:25
Goldman
13:25
was
13:26
right
13:26
in
13:26
the
13:26
long
13:26
run.
13:27
But
13:27
at
13:27
the
13:27
time,
13:27
they
13:28
just
13:28
went
13:28
with
13:28
the
13:28
flow
13:29
and
13:29
did
13:29
what
13:29
they
13:29
were
13:30
told
13:30
to
13:30
do.
13:31
There
13:31
were
13:31
rumors
13:32
that
13:32
Schumacher
13:32
wanted
13:33
to
13:33
make
13:33
a
13:33
version
13:33
of
13:34
Batman
13:34
Year
13:34
One
13:35
instead,
13:35
and
13:35
that
13:36
Warner
13:36
Brothers
13:36
forced
13:37
his
13:37
hand
13:37
to
13:37
make
13:38
Batman
13:38
and
13:38
Robin.
13:39
In
13:39
an
13:39
interview
13:40
with
13:40
the
13:40
Hollywood
13:40
Reporter
13:41
in
13:41
2017,
13:42
Schumacher
13:43
denied
13:43
he
13:43
wanted
13:44
to
13:44
make
13:44
year
13:44
one
13:45
and
13:45
called
13:45
it
13:45
a
13:45
fantasy.
13:46
He
13:46
did
13:47
admit
13:47
to
13:47
wanting
13:47
to
13:48
make
13:48
an
13:48
Arkham
13:48
movie,
13:49
especially
13:50
after
13:50
the
13:51
events
13:51
of
13:51
Batman
13:51
Forever,
13:52
the
13:52
Riddler
13:53
currently
13:53
residing
13:54
in
13:54
Arkham
13:54
Asylum.
13:56
After
13:56
using
13:57
two
13:57
Face
13:57
and
13:58
the
13:58
Riddler
13:58
in
13:58
Batman
13:59
Forever
13:59
and
13:59
the
14:00
sanctioning
14:00
of
14:00
Jim
14:01
Carrey's
14:01
buffoonery,
14:02
Schumacher
14:03
wanted
14:03
to
14:03
avoid
14:03
retreading
14:04
similar
14:04
territory,
14:06
so
14:06
they
14:06
chose
14:06
villains
14:07
with
14:07
completely
14:07
different
14:08
aesthetics
14:08
and
14:09
motivations.
14:10
They
14:10
were
14:10
specifically
14:11
looking
14:11
for
14:11
villains
14:11
that
14:12
would
14:12
provide
14:12
strong
14:13
visual
14:13
contrast
14:14
and
14:14
spectacular
14:15
set
14:15
pieces.
14:16
The
14:16
ice
14:17
and
14:17
fire
14:17
dichotomy
14:18
between
14:18
Mr.
14:18
Freeze
14:19
and
14:19
poison
14:19
Ivy
14:20
offered
14:21
exactly
14:21
that
14:22
one
14:22
villain
14:23
associated
14:23
with
14:24
cold
14:24
blue
14:25
environments
14:25
and
14:26
another
14:26
with
14:26
warm,
14:27
green
14:27
organic
14:28
spaces.
14:29
Having
14:30
two
14:30
visually
14:30
striking
14:31
characters
14:32
would
14:32
also
14:32
translate
14:33
well
14:33
to
14:33
toys
14:34
and
14:34
merchandise.
14:35
Mr.
14:36
Freeze's
14:36
elaborate
14:37
mechanical
14:37
suit
14:38
and
14:38
Poison
14:38
Ivy's
14:39
seductive
14:39
plant
14:40
themed
14:40
costumes
14:41
were
14:41
designed
14:41
to
14:41
be
14:42
both
14:42
cinematic
14:43
and
14:43
commercially
14:43
appealing.
14:45
Mr.
14:45
Freeze's
14:46
quest
14:46
to
14:46
save
14:46
his
14:47
dying
14:47
wife
14:48
provided
14:48
what
14:48
they
14:48
saw
14:49
as
14:49
sympathetic
14:50
motivation,
14:51
also
14:51
adding
14:52
to
14:52
a
14:52
narrative
14:52
of
14:52
Bruce's
14:53
butler
14:53
Alfred
14:54
being
14:54
sick
14:54
with
14:55
the
14:55
same
14:55
illness,
14:56
while
14:56
Poison
14:56
Ivy's
14:57
environmental
14:58
extremism
14:58
offered
14:59
a
14:59
different
14:59
kind
14:59
of
15:00
threat,
15:00
one
15:00
that
15:01
was
15:01
seductive
15:02
and
15:02
manipulative
15:03
rather
15:03
than
15:04
purely
15:04
physical.
15:06
So
15:06
who
15:06
are
15:06
these
15:07
characters
15:07
in
15:07
Batman
15:08
lore?
15:09
Mr.
15:09
Priest
15:10
debuted
15:10
in
15:10
Batman
15:11
number
15:12
121
15:12
in
15:12
February
15:13
1957
15:14
as
15:15
Mr.
15:15
Zero,
15:16
a
15:16
mad
15:16
scientist
15:17
who,
15:17
after
15:18
a
15:18
physiology
15:18
altering
15:19
mishap,
15:19
becomes
15:20
an
15:20
ice
15:20
themed
15:21
criminal,
15:21
typically
15:22
armed
15:22
with
15:22
freezing
15:23
weapons,
15:23
forced
15:24
to
15:24
live
15:24
in
15:24
sub
15:24
zero
15:25
temperatures
15:26
and
15:26
wear
15:26
a
15:26
special
15:27
cryo
15:27
suit
15:27
for
15:28
survival.
15:28
He
15:29
was
15:29
later
15:29
renamed
15:30
Mr.
15:30
Freeze
15:31
after
15:31
the
15:31
version
15:32
featured
15:32
in
15:32
the
15:32
1966
15:33
Batman
15:34
TV
15:34
series.
15:35
In
15:35
this
15:35
series,
15:36
he
15:36
was
15:36
played
15:36
by
15:37
three
15:37
different
15:37
actors,
15:38
George
15:38
Sanders,
15:39
Otto
15:40
Preminger,
15:40
and
15:40
eli
15:41
Wallach.
15:42
In
15:42
1992,
15:42
Mr.Freeze
15:43
was
15:44
reinvented
15:44
as
15:45
a
15:45
tragic
15:45
villain
15:45
for
15:46
Batman
15:46
the
15:46
Animated
15:47
Series
15:47
in
15:48
the
15:48
episode
15:48
Heart
15:48
of
15:49
Ice,
15:49
which
15:50
portrayed
15:50
Victor
15:51
Freeze
15:52
as
15:52
a
15:52
scientist
15:53
from
15:53
Gotham
15:53
City
15:54
who
15:54
suffers
15:54
a
15:54
lab
15:55
accident
15:55
while
15:56
trying
15:56
to
15:56
cryogenically
15:57
preserve
15:58
his
15:58
terminally
15:58
ill
15:59
wife.
15:59
He
16:00
turns
16:00
to
16:00
crime
16:01
to
16:01
fund
16:01
his
16:01
quest
16:01
to
16:02
cure
16:02
her,
16:02
which
16:03
naturally
16:03
makes
16:04
him
16:04
an
16:04
adversary
16:05
of
16:05
Batman.
16:06
And
16:07
just
16:07
like
16:07
Mr.
16:07
Freeze
16:08
being
16:08
Victor
16:09
Fries,
16:09
Poison
16:10
Ivy
16:11
also
16:11
has
16:11
to
16:11
have
16:12
a
16:12
name
16:12
that
16:12
sounds
16:13
somewhat
16:13
similar
16:13
to
16:14
Poison
16:14
Ivy.
16:15
Pamela
16:15
Isley
16:16
Poison
16:17
Ivy
16:17
debuted
16:18
in
16:18
Batman
16:18
number
16:19
181
16:19
in
16:20
June
16:20
1966,
16:21
and
16:21
she
16:22
came
16:22
about
16:22
due
16:23
to
16:23
the
16:23
lack
16:23
of
16:23
female
16:24
villains
16:24
after
16:25
Catwoman
16:25
on
16:25
the
16:26
Batman
16:26
TV
16:26
show
16:27
Poison
16:28
Ivy
16:28
is
16:28
a
16:28
doctor
16:29
of
16:29
botany
16:29
turned
16:30
misanthropic
16:31
eco
16:31
terrorists.
16:32
Considered
16:33
one
16:33
of
16:33
the
16:33
most
16:33
beautiful
16:34
women
16:34
in
16:34
all
16:34
of
16:35
Gotham,
16:35
she
16:36
is
16:36
empowered
16:36
by
16:36
an
16:37
elemental
16:37
force
16:37
known
16:38
as
16:38
the
16:38
Green,
16:39
and
16:39
she
16:39
attempts
16:40
to
16:40
protect
16:40
the
16:40
sanctity
16:41
and
16:41
supremacy
16:41
of
16:42
nature
16:42
at
16:42
all
16:42
costs
16:43
by
16:43
lashing
16:44
out
16:44
against
16:44
humanity.
16:45
She
16:46
was
16:46
initially
16:46
depicted
16:47
as
16:47
having
16:47
an
16:47
attraction
16:48
to
16:48
Batman
16:49
and
16:49
creating
16:49
love
16:50
potions
16:50
to
16:50
inspire
16:51
him.
16:52
Also
16:52
seen
16:52
as
16:53
an
16:53
antihero,
16:53
as
16:54
well
16:54
as
16:54
being
16:54
the
16:54
love
16:54
interest
16:55
of
16:55
Harley
16:55
Quinn
16:56
in
16:56
the
16:56
New
16:56
52
16:57
reboot,
16:58
Ivy
16:59
is
16:59
an
16:59
equal
16:59
opportunity
17:00
seducer
17:01
of
17:01
both
17:01
men
17:02
and
17:02
women.
17:03
And
17:03
because
17:03
Ivy
17:03
doesn't
17:04
really
17:04
have
17:04
the
17:04
requisite
17:05
muscle
17:05
to
17:05
take
17:05
on
17:06
Batman,
17:06
Bane
17:07
was
17:07
introduced
17:08
as
17:08
her
17:08
muscle
17:08
in
17:09
this
17:09
movie.
17:10
Alfred
17:11
did
17:11
indeed
17:11
canonically
17:12
have
17:12
a
17:12
niece.
17:13
Her
17:13
name
17:13
was
17:13
Daphne
17:14
and
17:14
she
17:14
appeared
17:15
in
17:15
Batman
17:15
number
17:16
216
17:17
in
17:17
1969.
17:18
The
17:18
daughter
17:19
of
17:19
Alfred's
17:20
brother
17:20
Wilfred,
17:21
Daphne
17:21
was
17:22
British
17:22
and
17:22
blonde.
17:23
Schumacher
17:24
wanted
17:24
to
17:24
have
17:24
a
17:24
female
17:25
hero
17:25
to
17:25
balance
17:26
the
17:26
male
17:26
heroes
17:27
as
17:27
well
17:27
as
17:28
to
17:28
take
17:28
on
17:28
the
17:28
female
17:29
villain.
17:29
The
17:30
First
17:30
Batgirl
17:31
in
17:31
April
17:31
1961
17:32
was
17:32
Betty
17:33
Kane,
17:33
who
17:33
debuted
17:34
in
17:34
Batman
17:35
number
17:35
139,
17:36
and
17:36
she
17:37
was
17:37
replaced
17:37
in
17:37
1967
17:39
by
17:39
Barbara
17:39
Gordon,
17:40
the
17:40
niece
17:41
of
17:41
Commissioner
17:41
James
17:42
Gordon.
17:43
Barbara
17:43
Gordon
17:44
held
17:44
the
17:44
batgirl
17:44
mantle
17:45
until
17:45
1988
17:46
when
17:47
the
17:47
role
17:47
was
17:47
given
17:47
to
17:48
Cassandra
17:48
Kane.
17:49
This
17:50
movie
17:50
has
17:50
Barbara
17:51
Wilson,
17:52
the
17:52
daughter
17:52
of
17:52
Alfred's
17:53
sister
17:53
Margaret,
17:54
AKA
17:55
Peg,
17:55
a
17:55
character
17:56
created
17:56
for
17:57
the
17:57
movie
17:57
with
17:58
Barbara,
17:58
a
17:58
combination
17:59
of
17:59
Daphne
18:00
Pennyworth
18:00
and
18:00
Barbara
18:01
Gordon.
18:02
Now,
18:02
if
18:03
you've
18:03
listened
18:03
to
18:03
the
18:03
episode
18:03
that
18:04
I
18:04
did
18:04
on
18:04
Batman
18:04
Forever,
18:05
you
18:05
will
18:05
know
18:05
about
18:06
the
18:06
countless
18:07
issues
18:07
on
18:08
the
18:08
set
18:08
of
18:08
Batman
18:09
Forever
18:09
and
18:10
despite
18:10
these
18:11
issues
18:11
between
18:12
Val
18:12
Kilmer
18:12
and
18:13
Joel
18:13
Schumacher.
18:14
Kilmer
18:14
was
18:15
contracted
18:15
for
18:15
a
18:16
second
18:16
Batman
18:16
film
18:17
and
18:17
originally
18:18
it
18:18
was
18:18
expected
18:19
that
18:19
he
18:19
would
18:19
reprise
18:20
the
18:20
role.
18:21
The
18:21
quick
18:21
turnaround
18:22
for
18:22
the
18:22
next
18:23
Batman
18:23
movie,
18:23
with
18:24
only
18:24
two
18:24
years
18:25
between
18:25
the
18:25
sequel
18:26
instead
18:26
of
18:26
the
18:27
usual
18:27
three,
18:28
meant
18:28
that
18:28
when
18:29
Kilmer
18:29
announced
18:29
he
18:30
would
18:30
be
18:30
making
18:30
the
18:30
Saint
18:31
for
18:31
paramount
18:32
until
18:32
mid
18:32
July
18:33
1996,
18:34
that
18:34
would
18:35
leave
18:35
only
18:35
days
18:35
to
18:36
prepare
18:36
for
18:36
Batman
18:37
and
18:37
Robin.
18:38
Warner
18:38
Brothers
18:38
reminded
18:39
Paramount
18:39
that
18:40
Kilmer
18:40
was
18:40
due
18:40
to
18:40
start
18:41
work
18:41
on
18:41
Batman
18:42
on
18:42
the
18:42
1st
18:43
of
18:43
August
18:44
1996.
18:45
Paramount
18:45
weren't
18:46
happy
18:46
and
18:46
suggested
18:47
they'd
18:47
make
18:47
the
18:48
Saint
18:48
without
18:48
him.
18:49
Val
18:49
Kilmer
18:50
responded
18:50
that
18:50
in
18:51
that
18:51
case
18:51
he
18:51
wouldn't
18:52
do
18:52
Batman,
18:53
thinking
18:53
that
18:54
would
18:54
encourage
18:54
Warner
18:55
Brothers
18:55
to
18:55
postpone
18:56
filming
18:56
for
18:56
him.
18:57
Instead,
18:58
Warner
18:58
Bros.
18:58
Kept
18:59
its
18:59
start
18:59
date,
19:00
released
19:00
Kilmer
19:01
from
19:01
his
19:01
contract,
19:01
and
19:02
started
19:02
hunting
19:03
for
19:03
a
19:03
new
19:04
Batman.
19:05
That
19:05
there
19:05
was
19:05
no
19:05
love
19:06
lost
19:06
between
19:06
Kilmer
19:07
and
19:07
Schumacher
19:08
probably
19:08
also
19:08
exacerbated
19:09
matters.
19:10
It's
19:10
widely
19:11
known
19:11
that
19:11
the
19:11
two
19:12
didn't
19:12
get
19:12
along.
19:13
Some
19:14
casting
19:14
controversies
19:15
fade
19:15
over
19:15
time.
19:16
Michael
19:16
Keaton
19:17
is
19:17
now
19:17
pretty
19:17
beloved
19:18
as
19:18
Tim
19:18
Burton's
19:19
take
19:19
on
19:19
the
19:19
Caped
19:20
Crusader,
19:21
but
19:21
people
19:21
forget
19:21
that
19:22
at
19:22
the
19:22
time,
19:22
the
19:23
fan
19:23
base
19:23
revolted
19:24
at
19:24
the
19:24
idea
19:25
of
19:25
Keaton,
19:26
then
19:26
known
19:26
for
19:26
Mr.
19:27
Mom,
19:27
playing
19:28
Batman.
19:29
I
19:29
guess
19:29
you
19:29
could
19:29
argue
19:30
that
19:30
Keaton
19:30
made
19:30
the
19:30
role
19:31
iconic,
19:31
and
19:32
if
19:32
you
19:32
do
19:32
that,
19:33
you
19:33
get
19:33
a
19:33
pass
19:33
from
19:34
the
19:34
initial
19:34
backlash.
19:35
Such
19:36
grace
19:36
wouldn't
19:37
be
19:37
afforded,
19:37
though,
19:38
to
19:38
George
19:38
Clooney,
19:39
who'd
19:39
end
19:40
up
19:40
being
19:40
the
19:40
guy
19:40
to
19:41
take
19:41
over
19:41
from
19:41
Val
19:42
Kilmer.
19:42
William
19:43
Baldwin
19:43
was
19:44
originally
19:44
considered.
19:45
He
19:45
would
19:45
go
19:45
on
19:45
to
19:45
voice
19:46
the
19:46
character
19:46
in
19:46
the
19:47
animated
19:47
Justice
19:48
League
19:48
Crisis
19:48
on
19:49
Two
19:49
Earths.
19:49
Instead,
19:50
his
19:50
brother
19:51
Alec
19:51
Baldwin
19:52
was
19:52
considered
19:53
by
19:53
Tim
19:53
Burton
19:54
to
19:54
be
19:54
the
19:54
original
19:55
Batman.
19:55
Those
19:56
Baldwins
19:56
just
19:57
can't
19:57
seem
19:57
to
19:57
get
19:57
a
19:57
back
19:58
break.
19:58
Nor
19:58
could
19:59
David
19:59
Duchovny,
20:00
who
20:00
was
20:00
considered
20:00
but
20:01
rejected,
20:02
allegedly
20:02
because
20:03
his
20:03
nose
20:03
was
20:04
too
20:04
big.
20:05
Knowing
20:05
the
20:05
mid-90s,
20:06
George
20:06
Clooney
20:07
was
20:07
primarily
20:07
known
20:08
for
20:08
his
20:08
role
20:08
on
20:09
the
20:09
hit
20:09
TV
20:09
show
20:10
ER.
20:11
But
20:11
in
20:11
1996
20:12
he
20:12
starred
20:13
in
20:13
Robert
20:13
Rodriguez's
20:14
From
20:14
Dusk
20:15
Till
20:15
dawn,
20:15
where
20:16
he
20:16
got
20:16
to
20:16
showcase
20:17
his
20:17
charisma
20:18
and
20:18
humorous
20:19
as
20:19
well
20:19
as
20:19
having
20:19
a
20:19
bit
20:19
of
20:20
an
20:20
edge
20:20
and
20:20
being
20:20
able
20:21
to
20:21
do
20:21
action
20:22
scenes.
20:22
That
20:23
is
20:23
episode
20:23
229
20:24
of
20:24
this
20:24
podcast,
20:25
by
20:25
the
20:25
way.
20:26
Another
20:26
plus
20:27
for
20:27
Clooney.
20:28
He
20:28
was
20:28
cheap,
20:29
he
20:29
wasn't
20:30
a
20:30
movie
20:30
star
20:30
back
20:31
then,
20:31
and
20:31
he
20:32
was
20:32
also
20:32
still
20:32
filming
20:33
er,
20:33
and
20:33
so
20:34
the
20:34
shooting
20:34
schedule
20:35
was
20:35
adjusted
20:35
so
20:36
he
20:36
could
20:36
work
20:36
on
20:37
both
20:37
simultaneously
20:38
without
20:38
scheduling
20:39
conflict.
20:40
Schumacher
20:41
wanted
20:41
a
20:41
loiter
20:42
interpretation
20:42
and
20:43
felt
20:43
Clooney
20:43
was
20:44
perfect
20:45
and
20:45
certainly
20:45
offered
20:46
something
20:46
different
20:46
to
20:46
the
20:47
serious
20:47
actors
20:47
that
20:48
were
20:48
Michael
20:48
Keaton
20:49
and
20:49
Val
20:49
Kilmer.
20:50
Chris
20:50
o'
20:51
Donnell
20:51
was
20:51
already
20:51
lined
20:52
up
20:52
to
20:52
appear
20:52
for
20:52
a
20:52
second
20:53
time
20:53
as
20:53
Robin,
20:54
and
20:54
with
20:54
the
20:54
villains
20:55
set
20:55
in
20:55
their
20:56
minds,
20:56
Schumacher
20:57
went
20:57
about
20:58
casting
20:58
his
20:58
new
20:59
characters.
21:00
There's
21:01
a
21:01
popular
21:01
theory
21:01
that
21:01
Patrick
21:02
Stewart
21:02
was
21:02
up
21:03
for
21:03
the
21:03
role
21:03
of
21:03
Mr.
21:03
Freeze,
21:04
but
21:04
this
21:04
is
21:04
something
21:04
Schumacher
21:05
has
21:05
denied,
21:06
saying
21:06
that
21:07
despite
21:07
it
21:07
being
21:07
a
21:08
wonderful
21:08
idea,
21:08
Stuart
21:09
had
21:09
never
21:09
been
21:10
suggested.
21:11
The
21:11
idea
21:11
may
21:12
have
21:12
come
21:12
from
21:12
an
21:12
earlier
21:13
script
21:13
where
21:13
it
21:13
was
21:13
clearly
21:14
meant
21:14
for
21:14
someone
21:15
more
21:15
Shakespearean,
21:16
but
21:16
the
21:17
script
21:17
changed
21:17
in
21:17
subsequent
21:18
versions.
21:19
And
21:19
just
21:19
like
21:19
when
21:20
Jack
21:20
Nicholson
21:21
signed
21:21
on
21:21
to
21:21
play
21:22
Joker
21:22
in
21:22
Batman,
21:23
they
21:24
wanted
21:24
a
21:24
big
21:25
name
21:25
actor
21:25
for
21:26
this
21:26
role.
21:27
There
21:27
was
21:27
no
21:27
one
21:28
bigger
21:28
in
21:28
1997
21:29
than
21:29
Arnold
21:30
Schwarzenegger,
21:31
and
21:31
Schwarzenegger
21:32
wanted
21:32
to
21:32
work
21:32
with
21:33
Schumacher,
21:33
and
21:34
for
21:34
his
21:34
troubles
21:34
he
21:35
got
21:35
an
21:35
incredibly
21:36
lucrative
21:36
deal.
21:37
A
21:37
$25
21:38
million
21:38
salary,
21:39
top
21:40
billing
21:40
on
21:40
the
21:41
movie.
21:41
Just
21:41
like
21:41
Jack
21:42
Nicholson
21:42
got
21:42
the
21:42
Batman.89
21:44
plus
21:44
a
21:44
limited
21:45
working
21:45
day.
21:46
Again,
21:46
just
21:46
like
21:47
Nicholson,
21:47
only
21:48
12
21:48
hours
21:48
built
21:49
into
21:49
his
21:49
contract,
21:50
which,
21:51
when
21:51
combined
21:51
with
21:51
his
21:52
time
21:52
spent
21:52
in
21:52
the
21:52
makeup
21:53
chair
21:53
and
21:53
getting
21:53
suited
21:54
up,
21:54
limited
21:55
how
21:55
long
21:55
the
21:56
filmmakers
21:56
could
21:56
shoot
21:57
with
21:57
him.
21:58
He
21:58
would
21:58
end
21:58
up
21:58
spending
21:59
25
21:59
days
22:00
on
22:00
set,
22:01
basically
22:01
earning
22:02
$1
22:02
million
22:03
a
22:03
day.
22:04
That
22:04
is
22:04
definitely
22:05
not
22:05
minimum
22:05
wage.
22:06
The
22:06
character
22:07
had
22:07
to
22:07
be
22:07
adapted
22:08
specifically
22:08
for
22:08
Schwarzenegger's
22:09
personality
22:10
and
22:10
acting
22:11
style.
22:12
The
22:12
filmmakers
22:12
knew
22:13
they
22:13
were
22:13
getting
22:13
the
22:13
action
22:14
star's
22:14
particular
22:15
brand
22:15
of
22:15
performance,
22:16
complete
22:17
with
22:17
his
22:17
signature
22:17
one
22:18
liners
22:19
and
22:19
his
22:19
physical
22:20
presence
22:21
for
22:21
Poison
22:22
Ivy.
22:22
Similarly,
22:23
Julia
22:23
Roberts
22:24
was
22:24
not
22:24
on
22:25
the
22:25
director's
22:25
list,
22:26
but
22:26
considering
22:26
they'd
22:27
spent
22:27
a
22:27
lot
22:27
of
22:27
money
22:28
on
22:28
Schwarzenegger,
22:29
they
22:29
needed
22:30
to
22:30
keep
22:30
costs
22:31
low,
22:31
which
22:31
meant
22:31
Demi
22:32
Moore
22:32
and
22:32
Sharon
22:32
Stone
22:33
were
22:33
both
22:33
out.
22:34
Schumacher
22:35
had
22:35
seen
22:35
Uma
22:35
Thurman
22:36
in
22:36
a
22:36
Vanity
22:36
Fair
22:37
photo
22:37
shoot,
22:38
as
22:38
well
22:38
as
22:38
her
22:38
small
22:39
role
22:39
in
22:39
the
22:39
Adventures
22:40
of
22:40
Baron
22:40
Munchausen.
22:42
She
22:42
had
22:42
her
22:42
breakout
22:43
role
22:43
in
22:43
1994
22:44
with
22:44
Pulp
22:45
Fiction,
22:45
and
22:45
she
22:46
loved
22:46
the
22:46
idea
22:47
of
22:47
playing
22:47
a
22:47
femme
22:48
fatale.
22:49
Changes
22:49
in
22:49
the
22:50
script
22:50
wouldn't
22:50
just
22:50
affect
22:51
the
22:51
characterization
22:52
of
22:52
Mr.
22:52
Priest,
22:53
but
22:53
also
22:53
Poison
22:54
Ivy
22:54
and
22:55
Bruce
22:55
Wayne's
22:55
girlfriend,
22:56
Julie
22:56
Madison,
22:57
played
22:57
by
22:58
supermodel
22:58
Elle
22:58
macpherson.
22:59
Originally,
23:00
Ivy
23:01
was
23:01
going
23:01
to
23:01
stab
23:01
Julie,
23:02
who
23:02
would
23:02
have
23:02
died
23:03
from
23:03
her
23:03
wounds.
23:04
Instead,
23:04
Julie
23:05
just
23:05
disappears
23:06
halfway
23:06
through
23:06
the
23:06
movie,
23:07
and
23:07
Ivy
23:08
attempts
23:08
to
23:08
stab
23:08
Batgirl
23:09
instead.
23:10
Julie
23:11
Madison,
23:11
interestingly,
23:12
was
23:12
the
23:12
first
23:12
known
23:13
love
23:13
interest
23:13
for
23:13
Bruce
23:14
Wayne.
23:14
She
23:15
appeared
23:15
in
23:15
Detective
23:16
Comics
23:16
number
23:16
31,
23:18
weightlifter
23:19
and
23:19
WCW
23:20
wrestler
23:20
Jeep.
23:21
Swenson
23:21
was
23:22
cast
23:22
as
23:22
Bane
23:23
after
23:23
a
23:23
stuntman
23:24
from
23:24
Batman
23:24
Forever
23:25
suggested
23:25
him
23:26
he
23:26
had
23:26
the
23:26
biggest
23:27
biceps
23:27
on
23:27
record
23:28
at
23:28
the
23:28
time.
23:29
Sadly,
23:30
Swenson
23:30
died
23:31
shortly
23:31
after
23:31
the
23:31
movie
23:32
opened
23:32
in
23:32
August
23:33
1997
23:34
of
23:34
a
23:34
heart
23:34
attack.
23:35
He
23:35
was
23:35
only
23:35
40
23:36
years
23:36
old
23:36
at
23:37
the
23:37
time
23:37
of
23:37
his
23:37
death.
23:39
Alicia
23:39
Silverstone
23:40
was
23:40
riding
23:41
high
23:41
from
23:41
her
23:41
breakthrough
23:42
role
23:42
as
23:42
Cher
23:43
in
23:43
Clueless,
23:44
still
23:44
one
23:44
of
23:45
the
23:45
greatest
23:45
comedies
23:46
ever
23:46
made.
23:46
And
23:47
she
23:47
signed
23:47
a
23:47
deal
23:48
with
23:48
Columbia
23:48
TriStar
23:49
worth
23:49
$10
23:49
million
23:51
as
23:51
a
23:51
result
23:51
of
23:51
Clueless.
23:52
As
23:53
part
23:53
of
23:53
the
23:53
package,
23:53
she
23:54
got
23:54
a
23:54
three
23:54
year
23:54
first
23:55
look
23:55
deal
23:55
for
23:56
her
23:56
own
23:56
production
23:56
company,
23:57
First
23:57
Kiss
23:58
Productions.
23:59
She
23:59
was
23:59
Schumacher's
24:00
only
24:00
choice
24:00
to
24:01
play
24:01
Batgirl,
24:02
retconned
24:02
as
24:02
Alfred's
24:03
niece
24:04
rather
24:04
than
24:04
Commissioner
24:05
Gordon's
24:05
niece,
24:06
presumably
24:06
so
24:06
it
24:06
would
24:07
make
24:07
total
24:07
sense
24:08
that
24:08
her
24:08
uncle
24:08
knew
24:09
her
24:09
exact
24:09
measurements
24:10
to
24:10
pre
24:11
fit
24:11
her
24:11
for
24:11
a
24:11
Batgirl
24:12
costume,
24:13
just
24:14
in
24:14
case
24:14
she
24:14
was
24:14
needed
24:15
to
24:15
help
24:15
fight
24:15
crime.
24:17
Many
24:18
of
24:18
the
24:18
team
24:18
who
24:18
worked
24:18
on
24:19
Batman
24:19
Forever
24:19
returned
24:20
for
24:20
Batman
24:20
and
24:20
Robin,
24:21
including
24:21
production
24:22
designer
24:22
Barbara
24:23
Ling.
24:23
The
24:24
design
24:24
philosophy
24:25
was
24:25
deliberately
24:26
extravagant
24:26
and
24:26
theatrical,
24:27
pushing
24:28
the
24:28
visual
24:28
aesthetic
24:29
to
24:29
extreme
24:30
levels.
24:31
Ling
24:31
and
24:31
Schumacher
24:32
aimed
24:32
for
24:32
what
24:33
they
24:33
called
24:33
a
24:33
living
24:34
comic
24:34
book.
24:35
The
24:35
design
24:36
was
24:36
intentionally
24:37
Artificial
24:37
and
24:37
stylized,
24:38
rejecting
24:39
any
24:39
sense
24:40
of
24:40
realism
24:41
in
24:41
favor
24:41
of
24:41
a
24:41
hyper
24:42
colorful,
24:42
neon
24:43
soaked
24:43
world
24:44
that
24:44
would
24:44
feel
24:45
like
24:45
stepping
24:45
into
24:46
the
24:46
pages
24:46
of
24:46
a
24:47
comic
24:47
book.
24:48
Lin
24:48
created
24:49
a
24:49
more
24:49
art
24:49
deco
24:50
inspired
24:50
cityscape
24:51
to
24:51
a
24:51
massive
24:52
scale.
24:53
Buildings
24:53
and
24:53
sets
24:54
were
24:54
designed
24:54
to
24:54
dwarf
24:55
the
24:55
human
24:55
characters,
24:56
creating
24:57
an
24:57
almost
24:57
mythic
24:58
sense
24:58
of
24:58
proportion.
24:59
Batman
25:00
Brother
25:00
was
25:00
splashed
25:01
with
25:01
neon.
25:02
Batman
25:02
and
25:02
Robin
25:03
was
25:03
saturated
25:04
in
25:04
it.
25:04
The
25:05
city
25:05
was
25:05
bathed
25:06
in
25:06
blues,
25:06
purples
25:07
and
25:07
other
25:08
vibrant
25:08
colors,
25:09
giving
25:09
it
25:09
a
25:10
neon
25:10
Tokyo
25:11
feel
25:11
with
25:11
a
25:11
similar
25:12
sense
25:12
of
25:12
architectural
25:13
excess.
25:14
Giant
25:15
statues,
25:15
elaborate
25:16
facades
25:17
and
25:17
ornate
25:17
details
25:18
were
25:18
everywhere,
25:19
creating
25:19
a
25:20
sense
25:20
of
25:20
theatrical
25:21
grandeur
25:22
like
25:22
Greek
25:22
or
25:23
Roman
25:23
statues.
25:24
Miniatures
25:25
and
25:25
computer
25:25
generated
25:26
elements
25:26
were
25:26
used
25:27
for
25:27
some
25:27
scenes
25:28
and
25:28
large
25:28
full
25:29
scale
25:29
sets
25:29
were
25:30
also
25:30
constructed
25:31
including
25:32
Gotham
25:32
City
25:32
Covered
25:33
in
25:33
Ice.
25:34
The
25:34
scene
25:34
featuring
25:35
people
25:35
frozen
25:36
by
25:36
Mr.
25:36
Freeze's
25:37
ice
25:37
ray.
25:38
Life
25:38
size
25:38
mannequins
25:39
covered
25:39
in
25:39
fake
25:40
ice
25:40
were
25:40
created.
25:42
Each
25:42
villain's
25:43
lair
25:43
also
25:44
reflected
25:44
their
25:44
thematic
25:45
elements
25:46
with
25:46
Mr.
25:46
Frieze's
25:47
designed
25:47
as
25:47
a
25:48
crystalline
25:48
ice
25:49
palace
25:49
with
25:49
frozen
25:50
machinery
25:50
and
25:50
blue
25:51
tinted
25:51
lighting.
25:52
The
25:52
set
25:52
featured
25:53
actual
25:53
ice
25:54
elements
25:54
and
25:54
required
25:55
careful
25:55
temperature
25:56
control
25:56
during
25:57
filming.
25:57
Poison
25:58
Ivy's
25:58
hideout
25:59
was
25:59
a
25:59
lush
25:59
overgrown
26:00
greenhouse
26:01
environment
26:02
with
26:02
organic
26:02
plant
26:03
like
26:03
architecture.
26:04
The
26:04
design
26:05
incorporated
26:05
living
26:06
plants
26:06
with
26:06
artificial
26:07
elements
26:08
to
26:08
create
26:08
an
26:09
Eden
26:09
like
26:09
but
26:10
dangerous
26:10
environment.
26:11
And
26:12
we
26:12
need
26:13
to
26:13
talk
26:13
about
26:13
batnips
26:14
because
26:14
the
26:15
Greek
26:15
and
26:15
Roman
26:15
aesthetic
26:16
also
26:16
continued
26:17
into
26:17
the
26:18
costume
26:18
design
26:18
which
26:19
took
26:19
Batman
26:19
Forever's
26:20
batnips
26:21
and
26:21
made
26:21
them
26:22
more
26:22
pronounced.
26:23
Schumacher
26:24
defended
26:24
this
26:24
choice
26:25
by
26:25
saying
26:25
he
26:25
wanted
26:25
the
26:26
suits
26:26
to
26:26
resemble
26:27
classical
26:27
Greek
26:28
and
26:28
Roman
26:28
armor
26:29
which
26:29
often
26:29
featured
26:30
idealized
26:31
male
26:31
anatomy.
26:33
The
26:33
nipples
26:33
were
26:33
sculpted
26:34
as
26:34
part
26:34
of
26:34
the
26:34
moulded
26:35
chess
26:35
pieces.
26:36
Both
26:36
Batman
26:37
and
26:37
Robin's
26:37
suit
26:38
featured
26:38
extremely
26:39
pronounced
26:39
muscle
26:39
definition
26:40
with
26:41
every
26:41
ab,
26:41
pectoral
26:42
and
26:42
arm
26:42
muscle
26:43
dramatically
26:43
emphasized.
26:45
They
26:45
were
26:45
more
26:45
anatomical
26:46
sculptures
26:47
than
26:47
functional
26:48
armour.
26:48
And
26:49
then
26:49
there
26:49
were
26:49
the
26:49
cod
26:50
pieces.
26:50
Kind
26:51
of
26:51
enough
26:51
said
26:51
about
26:52
those,
26:52
but
26:52
it
26:52
certainly
26:53
added
26:53
to
26:53
the
26:53
homoerotic
26:54
undertones,
26:55
tones
26:56
and
26:57
overtones.
26:58
The
26:58
costumes
26:59
in
26:59
Batman
26:59
Robin
26:59
were
27:00
designed
27:00
by
27:00
a
27:00
team
27:00
led
27:01
by
27:01
Jose
27:01
Fernandez
27:02
and
27:02
Robert
27:03
Tutoris.
27:04
The
27:04
costume
27:04
design
27:05
philosophy,
27:06
just
27:06
like
27:06
the
27:06
production
27:07
design
27:07
philosophy,
27:08
was
27:08
deliberately
27:09
theatrical
27:10
and
27:10
exaggerated,
27:11
moving
27:12
completely
27:12
away
27:13
from
27:13
practical
27:13
considerations
27:14
in
27:14
favor
27:15
of
27:15
visual
27:16
impact.
27:17
Unlike
27:17
previous
27:18
Batman
27:18
films,
27:19
Batman
27:19
and
27:19
Robin
27:20
featured
27:20
multiple
27:21
suit
27:21
variations.
27:23
The
27:23
primary
27:23
black
27:24
rubber
27:24
and
27:24
latex
27:25
suits
27:25
were
27:25
both.
27:25
Batman
27:26
and
27:26
Robin
27:27
maintained
27:27
the
27:28
basic
27:28
color
27:28
scheme,
27:28
but
27:29
with
27:29
more
27:29
pronounced
27:30
detailing.
27:30
But
27:31
to
27:31
fight
27:31
Mr.
27:31
Freeze,
27:32
they
27:32
also
27:32
had
27:33
special
27:33
silver
27:34
and
27:34
blue
27:34
ice
27:34
suits
27:35
designed
27:36
for
27:36
the
27:36
final
27:36
confrontation
27:37
with
27:37
Mr.
27:37
Freeze,
27:38
featuring
27:39
built
27:39
in
27:39
heating
27:40
elements
27:40
and
27:40
modified
27:41
esthetics
27:42
to
27:42
match
27:42
the
27:42
icy
27:43
environment.
27:44
Just
27:44
how
27:45
did
27:45
Alfred
27:45
manage
27:46
to
27:46
build
27:46
all
27:46
these
27:47
suits
27:47
while
27:48
also
27:48
being
27:48
seriously
27:49
ill
27:49
with
27:49
McGregor's
27:50
syndrome?
27:51
No
27:51
one
27:52
knows
27:53
so
27:53
many
27:53
questions.
27:53
In
27:54
this
27:54
movie,
27:55
the
27:55
costume
27:55
department
27:56
created
27:56
multiple
27:57
versions
27:57
of
27:57
each
27:57
suit
27:58
for
27:58
different
27:58
purposes.
27:59
You
27:59
had
27:59
your
28:00
hero
28:00
suits
28:01
which
28:01
were
28:01
used
28:02
for
28:02
close
28:02
ups
28:03
and
28:03
detailed
28:03
shots,
28:04
stunt
28:05
suits
28:05
which
28:05
were
28:05
more
28:05
flexible
28:06
versions
28:06
for
28:07
action
28:07
sequences,
28:08
and
28:08
practical
28:09
suits
28:09
which
28:10
were
28:10
versions
28:10
that
28:10
had
28:11
working
28:11
gadgets
28:11
and
28:12
effects.
28:13
Speaking
28:14
of
28:14
practical
28:14
suits
28:15
and
28:15
Mr.
28:15
Freeze.
28:16
His
28:16
costume
28:17
was
28:17
designed
28:17
to
28:18
look
28:18
like
28:18
a
28:18
walking
28:19
refrigeration
28:20
unit
28:20
with
28:21
tubes,
28:21
gauges
28:22
and
28:22
LED
28:23
lights
28:23
throughout.
28:24
It
28:24
weighed
28:25
approximately
28:25
40
28:26
pounds,
28:26
was
28:27
constructed
28:27
using
28:28
500
28:29
hand
28:29
beaten
28:29
aluminium
28:30
parts
28:31
and
28:31
required
28:31
cooling
28:32
systems
28:32
to
28:32
keep
28:32
Schwarzenegger
28:33
comfortable
28:34
during
28:34
filming.
28:35
The
28:35
transparent
28:36
helmet
28:36
dome
28:37
was
28:37
designed
28:37
to
28:37
fog
28:37
up
28:38
periodically,
28:39
creating
28:39
visual
28:39
effects
28:40
that
28:40
emphasized
28:40
the
28:41
character's
28:41
need
28:41
for
28:42
sub
28:42
zero
28:42
temperatures.
28:43
The
28:44
suit
28:44
also
28:44
incorporated
28:45
numerous
28:45
LED
28:46
lights
28:47
and
28:47
fiber
28:47
optic
28:48
elements
28:48
that
28:48
would
28:49
illuminate
28:49
during
28:49
filming,
28:50
creating
28:51
a
28:51
high
28:51
tech
28:52
appearance.
28:53
Schwarzenegger
28:53
wore
28:54
acrylic
28:54
paint
28:54
on
28:55
his
28:55
face
28:55
and
28:55
body
28:56
to
28:56
mimic
28:56
the
28:57
frozen
28:57
blue
28:57
look
28:58
of
28:58
ice.
28:59
The
28:59
suit
29:00
was
29:00
created
29:00
by
29:00
armorer
29:01
Terry
29:01
English,
29:02
who's
29:02
been
29:03
creating
29:03
armor
29:03
for
29:04
film
29:04
and
29:04
television
29:04
for
29:05
over
29:05
50
29:05
years.
29:06
He
29:06
also
29:06
created
29:07
armor
29:07
for
29:07
the
29:08
films
29:08
Excalibur,
29:09
Aliens
29:10
and
29:10
First
29:11
Night.
29:12
Seven
29:12
of
29:12
the
29:12
suits
29:13
were
29:13
made
29:13
and
29:13
Schwarzenegger
29:14
was
29:14
allowed
29:14
to
29:15
keep
29:15
one
29:15
of
29:15
the
29:15
suits
29:16
and
29:16
after
29:16
filming
29:17
ending,
29:17
but
29:17
he
29:18
had
29:18
to
29:18
sign
29:18
a
29:18
contract
29:19
stating
29:19
he
29:20
would
29:20
pay
29:20
the
29:20
studio
29:21
$1
29:21
a
29:22
year,
29:22
essentially
29:23
granting
29:23
him
29:23
the
29:23
rights
29:24
to
29:24
lease
29:24
the
29:25
costume.
29:26
It's
29:26
unsurprising
29:27
that
29:27
out
29:27
of
29:27
everyone
29:27
who
29:28
worked
29:28
on
29:28
this
29:28
movie,
29:29
Schwarzenegger
29:30
is
29:30
the
29:30
one
29:30
who
29:30
has
29:31
no
29:31
regrets
29:31
about
29:32
his
29:32
involvement.
29:33
He
29:33
had
29:33
a
29:33
blast
29:34
on
29:34
this
29:34
movie,
29:35
including
29:35
having
29:36
Jon
29:36
Bon
29:36
Jovi
29:37
turn
29:37
up
29:37
to
29:37
set
29:37
to
29:38
give
29:38
him
29:38
Cuban
29:38
cigars.
29:40
This
29:40
is
29:40
despite
29:40
him
29:41
having
29:41
battery
29:41
acid
29:42
leak
29:42
into
29:42
his
29:42
mouth
29:43
due
29:43
to
29:44
the
29:44
LED
29:44
lights
29:44
that
29:45
made
29:45
his
29:45
mouth
29:45
light
29:46
up.
29:46
His
29:46
saliva
29:47
would
29:47
get
29:47
into
29:48
the
29:48
LED
29:48
light,
29:49
disintegrate
29:50
the
29:50
battery,
29:50
and
29:51
battery
29:51
acid
29:51
would
29:52
leak
29:52
into
29:52
his
29:53
mouth.
29:53
A
29:53
workaround
29:54
was
29:54
created
29:55
by
29:55
Jeff
29:55
dawn,
29:56
his
29:56
longtime
29:56
makeup
29:57
artist.
29:57
He
29:58
won
29:58
an
29:58
Oscar
29:58
for
29:58
Terminator
29:59
2
29:59
Judgment
29:59
Day
30:00
by
30:00
packing
30:00
the
30:01
device
30:01
into
30:01
a
30:01
balloon.
30:02
But
30:02
the
30:02
battery
30:03
would
30:03
only
30:03
last
30:03
20
30:04
minutes
30:04
and
30:04
it
30:05
literally
30:05
cost
30:06
$5,000aminute
30:07
for
30:07
delays.
30:09
Schwarzenegger
30:09
was
30:09
originally
30:10
going
30:10
to
30:10
shave
30:10
his
30:10
head
30:11
for
30:11
the
30:11
role,
30:11
but
30:11
he
30:11
ended
30:12
up
30:12
getting
30:12
a
30:12
bold
30:12
cut
30:13
which
30:13
added
30:13
an
30:14
extra
30:14
hour
30:14
and
30:15
45
30:15
minutes
30:15
to
30:16
his
30:16
time
30:16
in
30:16
the
30:16
makeup
30:17
chair
30:17
every
30:17
day.
30:18
But
30:19
he
30:19
was
30:19
getting
30:19
paid
30:20
bank,
30:20
so
30:20
presumably
30:21
was
30:22
completely
30:22
fine
30:23
with
30:23
it.
30:23
Also,
30:24
no
30:24
regrets,
30:25
Uma
30:25
Thurman,
30:25
who
30:26
absolutely
30:26
relishes
30:27
the
30:27
part
30:27
and
30:27
for
30:28
me
30:28
is
30:28
the
30:28
best
30:29
thing
30:29
in
30:29
this
30:29
movie
30:29
because
30:30
she
30:30
understood
30:30
the
30:31
assignment.
30:32
Her
30:32
outfits
30:32
incorporated
30:33
leaf
30:33
patterns
30:34
and
30:34
organic
30:34
shapes
30:35
with
30:35
some
30:35
costumes
30:36
featuring
30:36
actual
30:37
preserved
30:38
leaves
30:38
sewn
30:38
in
30:39
Fabric.
30:40
Filming
30:40
was
30:41
due
30:41
to
30:41
start
30:41
in
30:41
August
30:42
1996,
30:43
but
30:43
was
30:43
delayed
30:43
slightly
30:44
to
30:44
September
30:45
1996,
30:46
and
30:46
filming
30:47
was
30:47
an
30:47
experience.
30:49
I
30:49
mentioned
30:49
last
30:49
episode
30:50
about
30:50
the
30:50
press
30:50
attention
30:51
for
30:51
Mr.
30:51
And
30:51
Mrs.
30:51
Smith.
30:52
Although
30:52
not
30:52
quite
30:53
as
30:53
intrusive,
30:54
high
30:54
public
30:55
interest
30:55
in
30:55
Batman
30:56
and
30:56
Robin
30:57
led
30:57
to
30:57
paparazzi
30:58
regularly
30:59
disrupting
30:59
the
30:59
set.
31:00
Security
31:01
were
31:01
regularly
31:02
escorting
31:02
people
31:02
off
31:03
set
31:03
who
31:03
had
31:03
cameras,
31:04
and
31:04
all
31:05
they
31:05
wanted
31:05
was
31:06
a
31:06
photo
31:06
of
31:06
Arnold
31:07
Schwarzenegger
31:07
in
31:08
costume.
31:09
They
31:09
could
31:09
get
31:09
$10,000
31:11
just
31:11
for
31:12
one
31:12
photograph.
31:13
The
31:13
press
31:14
intrusion
31:14
didn't
31:14
stop
31:15
there,
31:15
though.
31:15
The
31:16
other
31:16
person
31:16
they
31:16
were
31:17
obsessed
31:17
with
31:17
was
31:18
Alicia
31:19
silverstone,
31:19
then
31:20
only
31:20
19
31:21
years
31:21
old.
31:22
If
31:22
you
31:22
weren't
31:23
stick
31:23
thin
31:23
in
31:23
the
31:23
90s,
31:24
you
31:25
were
31:25
fat.
31:25
And
31:26
I'm
31:26
saying
31:26
that
31:26
as
31:26
someone
31:27
who
31:27
grew
31:27
up
31:27
in
31:28
the
31:28
90s
31:28
and
31:29
saw
31:29
the
31:29
magazine
31:30
articles
31:31
showing
31:31
girls
31:32
and
31:32
women
31:32
with
31:33
perfectly
31:33
slim
31:34
figures
31:34
being
31:35
called
31:35
out
31:35
for
31:36
being,
31:36
quote,
31:36
too
31:37
fat.
31:38
Alicia
31:38
Silverstone
31:39
looks
31:39
great
31:40
in
31:40
this
31:40
movie,
31:41
but
31:41
she
31:41
had
31:41
to
31:41
go
31:42
through
31:42
horrendous
31:43
body
31:43
shaming,
31:44
not
31:44
only
31:44
from
31:44
the
31:45
press,
31:45
but
31:45
from
31:45
the
31:46
crew.
31:46
A
31:47
production
31:47
assistant
31:47
made
31:48
a
31:48
copy
31:48
of
31:48
a
31:48
cartoon
31:49
of
31:49
the
31:49
character
31:50
of
31:50
Batgirl
31:51
being
31:51
squeezed
31:52
into
31:52
a
31:52
costume
31:53
drawn
31:53
by
31:53
storyboard
31:54
artist
31:54
Tim
31:55
Burgard,
31:55
which
31:55
was
31:56
called
31:56
clueless
31:56
to
31:57
the
31:57
casting
31:58
of
31:58
Batgirl.
31:59
Rumors
31:59
circulated
32:00
that
32:00
Silverstone
32:01
was
32:01
struggling
32:01
to
32:01
fit
32:02
into
32:02
her
32:02
costume,
32:03
despite
32:03
training
32:04
hard
32:04
for
32:04
the
32:05
role
32:05
and
32:05
reportedly
32:06
losing
32:06
10
32:06
pounds.
32:07
Bob
32:08
Ringwood,
32:08
the
32:09
costume
32:09
designer,
32:09
saw
32:10
the
32:10
cartoon
32:10
and
32:11
wasn't
32:11
happy
32:12
it
32:12
was
32:12
being
32:12
circulated.
32:13
Bergard
32:14
was
32:14
never
32:14
reprimanded
32:15
because
32:16
he
32:16
never
32:16
signed
32:17
the
32:17
work.
32:18
Schumacher
32:18
would
32:19
constantly
32:19
stick
32:19
up
32:20
for
32:20
Silverstone
32:21
and
32:21
wanted
32:21
to
32:21
use
32:22
her
32:22
as
32:22
a
32:22
way
32:23
to
32:23
bring
32:23
in
32:23
the
32:24
younger
32:24
female
32:25
audience
32:25
to
32:25
the
32:25
franchise.
32:27
Before
32:27
filming
32:28
ended,
32:28
one
32:28
of
32:29
Mr.
32:29
Freeze's
32:29
blaster
32:30
guns
32:30
would
32:30
disappear
32:31
from
32:31
the
32:31
set,
32:32
leading
32:32
to
32:32
an
32:32
investigation
32:33
into
32:34
the
32:34
theft
32:34
of
32:34
the
32:34
item
32:35
and
32:35
police
32:36
being
32:36
involved.
32:37
David
32:38
El
32:38
Coobie,
32:39
a
32:39
Hollywood
32:39
memorabilia
32:40
dealer
32:40
with
32:40
his
32:40
own
32:41
store
32:41
on
32:41
Hollywood
32:41
Boulevard,
32:42
had
32:42
his
32:43
home
32:43
raided
32:43
in
32:44
November
32:44
1996,
32:45
and
32:46
he
32:46
would
32:46
be
32:46
charged
32:46
with
32:47
felony
32:47
theft
32:48
in
32:48
January
32:49
1997,
32:50
initially
32:50
for
32:50
property
32:51
valued
32:51
at
32:52
more
32:52
than
32:52
$150,000.
32:54
Nearly
32:55
300
32:55
items
32:56
were
32:56
seized
32:56
from
32:56
his
32:57
possession,
32:57
including
32:58
an
32:58
Ewok
32:59
costume,
33:00
a
33:00
sign
33:00
from
33:00
Jurassic
33:01
Park,
33:01
a
33:02
plaque
33:02
featured
33:03
in
33:03
Dead
33:03
Poet
33:03
Society
33:04
Tom
33:05
Cruise's
33:05
fangs
33:05
from
33:06
Interview
33:06
with
33:06
the
33:06
Vampire,
33:07
and
33:07
a
33:07
number
33:08
of
33:08
items
33:08
from
33:08
the
33:09
Star
33:09
Trek
33:09
franchise,
33:10
including
33:10
a
33:11
Borg
33:11
eyepiece,
33:12
a
33:12
Klingon
33:13
head,
33:13
and
33:14
Cardassian
33:14
panels.
33:15
After
33:16
it
33:16
was
33:16
difficult
33:16
to
33:17
determine
33:17
the
33:17
value
33:17
of
33:18
items
33:18
made
33:18
for
33:19
film
33:19
and
33:19
TV
33:20
and
33:20
that
33:20
he
33:20
was
33:20
literally
33:21
just
33:21
a
33:21
broker
33:22
and
33:22
not
33:22
the
33:22
guy
33:23
who
33:23
stole
33:23
anything,
33:24
El
33:24
Coobi
33:25
ultimately
33:25
pleaded
33:26
guilty
33:26
to
33:26
one
33:26
count
33:27
of
33:27
receiving
33:28
stolen
33:28
property.
33:29
He
33:29
spent
33:29
three
33:30
nights
33:30
in
33:30
jail
33:30
in
33:31
1998.
33:32
The
33:32
Mr.
33:32
Priest
33:33
gun
33:33
would
33:33
go
33:34
on
33:34
to
33:34
sell
33:34
for
33:34
more
33:34
than
33:35
$5,000
33:36
at
33:36
auction
33:37
in
33:37
September
33:38
2017.
33:39
The
33:40
OS
33:40
effects
33:40
on
33:40
this
33:41
movie
33:41
would
33:41
take
33:41
six
33:42
months
33:42
to
33:42
create.
33:43
Batman
33:43
and
33:44
Robin
33:44
would
33:44
feature
33:44
150
33:45
more
33:46
visual
33:46
effects
33:46
shots
33:46
than
33:47
Batman
33:47
Forever,
33:48
with
33:48
John
33:48
Dykstra
33:49
and
33:49
Andrew
33:49
Adamson
33:50
credited
33:50
as
33:51
the
33:51
visual
33:51
effects
33:51
supervisors.
33:53
And
33:53
there
33:53
were
33:53
multiple
33:54
different
33:54
stunt
33:54
people
33:55
for
33:55
each
33:55
character.
33:56
An
33:56
ice
33:56
skating
33:57
Batman,
33:57
a
33:57
gymnastic
33:58
Batman,
33:59
multiple
33:59
drivers.
34:00
Batman
34:00
and
34:01
Robin
34:01
had
34:01
several
34:01
doubles
34:02
as
34:02
well
34:03
as
34:03
digital
34:03
doubles
34:04
for
34:04
the
34:04
sky
34:04
surfing
34:05
scene
34:05
where
34:05
a
34:06
skyborder
34:06
was
34:06
motion
34:07
captured
34:07
in
34:07
a
34:07
wind
34:07
tunnel.
34:08
There
34:08
were
34:09
also
34:09
multiple
34:09
Mr.
34:10
Freeze
34:10
doubles,
34:11
mostly
34:11
because
34:11
they
34:12
only
34:12
had
34:12
Arnold
34:12
Schwarzenegger
34:13
for
34:13
a
34:13
limited
34:14
time
34:14
each
34:14
day,
34:15
so
34:15
close
34:15
ups
34:16
are
34:16
him,
34:16
but
34:16
wide
34:17
shots.
34:17
They
34:18
would
34:18
use
34:18
a
34:18
double
34:19
and
34:19
despite
34:20
filming
34:20
starting
34:21
late,
34:21
the
34:21
movie
34:22
was
34:22
finished
34:22
with
34:23
two
34:23
weeks
34:23
to
34:23
span.
34:24
A
34:24
straightforward
34:25
production
34:26
in
34:26
many
34:26
ways,
34:27
but
34:27
the
34:27
ice
34:28
would
34:28
soon
34:29
hit
34:29
the
34:29
slushy
34:30
machine.
34:31
But
34:31
before
34:32
we
34:32
go
34:32
into
34:32
that,
34:33
it's
34:33
time
34:33
to
34:33
segue
34:34
into
34:34
the
34:34
obligatory
34:35
Keanu
34:35
reference
34:36
of
34:36
this
34:36
episode.
34:37
And
34:37
if
34:38
you
34:38
don't
34:38
know
34:38
what
34:38
that
34:38
is,
34:38
it's
34:39
where
34:39
I
34:39
link
34:39
the
34:40
movie
34:40
that
34:40
I'm
34:40
featuring
34:41
with
34:41
Keanu
34:41
Reeves
34:42
for
34:42
no
34:42
reason
34:42
other
34:43
than
34:43
here's
34:44
the
34:44
Best
34:44
of
34:44
Men.
34:45
This
34:46
movie
34:46
famously
34:46
didn't
34:47
have
34:47
Val
34:47
Kilmer
34:48
and
34:48
it
34:49
came
34:49
out
34:49
a
34:49
week
34:49
after
34:50
a
34:50
movie
34:50
that
34:50
famously
34:51
didn't
34:51
have
34:52
Keanu
34:52
Reeves
34:53
Speed
34:54
two
34:54
Cruise
34:54
Control
34:55
came
34:55
out
34:55
a
34:56
week
34:56
before
34:56
this
34:56
movie,
34:57
the
34:58
movie
34:58
where
34:58
Keanu
34:59
jumped
34:59
ship
34:59
when
35:00
he
35:00
realized
35:00
it
35:01
would
35:01
be
35:01
a
35:01
disaster.
35:02
The
35:03
thing
35:03
is,
35:03
despite
35:03
a
35:04
few
35:04
rumblings
35:04
of
35:05
discontent,
35:06
no
35:06
one
35:06
at
35:07
Warner
35:07
Bros
35:07
Realized
35:08
what
35:08
was
35:09
coming
35:09
for
35:09
Batman
35:10
and
35:10
Robin.
35:11
Most
35:12
of
35:12
any
35:12
at
35:12
Goldenthal's
35:13
score
35:13
is
35:14
directly
35:14
lifted
35:15
from
35:15
Batman
35:15
Forever
35:16
as
35:16
the
35:16
opening
35:17
theme
35:17
is
35:17
the
35:18
same
35:18
as
35:18
the
35:18
previous
35:19
one,
35:19
just
35:19
slowed
35:19
down
35:20
slightly.
35:20
The
35:21
themes
35:21
for
35:21
Mr.
35:21
Freeze
35:22
and
35:22
Poison
35:22
Ivy
35:23
are
35:23
modified
35:23
versions
35:24
of
35:24
Two
35:24
Face
35:25
and
35:25
Chase
35:25
Meridian's
35:26
respective
35:27
themes,
35:27
but
35:27
otherwise
35:28
Elliot
35:28
Goldenthal
35:29
did
35:29
return
35:30
to
35:30
score
35:30
Batman
35:31
and
35:31
Robin.
35:31
The
35:32
soundtrack
35:32
also
35:32
features
35:33
the
35:33
Smashing
35:34
Pumpkins,
35:34
Goo
35:35
Goo
35:35
Dolls,
35:35
remember
35:36
and
35:37
convicted
35:37
sexual
35:38
abuser
35:38
R.
35:38
Kelly.
35:39
There's
35:39
nothing
35:39
as
35:40
iconic
35:40
on
35:40
the
35:41
soundtrack
35:41
as
35:42
Seal
35:42
or
35:42
U2
35:43
though.
35:43
No
35:44
kiss
35:44
from
35:44
a
35:44
Rose
35:45
for
35:45
this
35:45
soundtrack.
35:47
The
35:47
world
35:48
premiere
35:48
of
35:48
Batman
35:49
and
35:49
Robin
35:49
was
35:50
held
35:50
on
35:50
12
35:51
June
35:51
1997
35:52
in
35:53
Westwood,
35:53
Los
35:53
Angeles.
35:54
The
35:54
UK
35:55
premiere
35:55
was
35:55
heralded
35:56
as
35:56
the
35:57
then
35:57
biggest
35:57
and
35:58
most
35:58
expensive
35:59
movie
35:59
premiere
36:00
held
36:00
at
36:01
Battersea
36:01
Power
36:02
Station
36:02
in
36:02
London
36:03
with
36:03
the
36:03
building
36:03
decorated
36:04
to
36:04
look
36:05
like
36:05
Gotham
36:05
City
36:05
and
36:06
Wayne
36:06
Manor,
36:07
this
36:07
movie
36:08
was
36:08
expected
36:08
to
36:09
be
36:09
the
36:09
big
36:10
summer
36:10
blockbuster
36:11
of
36:11
1997
36:12
and
36:12
Warner
36:13
Brothers
36:13
went
36:14
all
36:14
out.
36:15
They
36:15
gave
36:16
icicle
36:16
pops
36:16
to
36:17
waiting
36:17
fans
36:18
and
36:18
rolled
36:18
out
36:19
$125
36:20
million
36:21
promotional
36:21
drive
36:22
including
36:23
themed
36:23
Batman
36:24
and
36:24
Robin
36:24
roller
36:25
coasters
36:25
at
36:25
Six
36:25
Flags
36:26
theme
36:26
parks,
36:27
promotional
36:27
campaign
36:28
with
36:28
Taco
36:29
Bell.
36:29
The
36:29
cast
36:30
signed
36:31
special
36:31
trading
36:31
cards.
36:32
There
36:32
was
36:32
also
36:33
a
36:33
tie
36:33
in
36:33
PlayStation
36:34
game
36:35
and
36:35
there
36:35
were
36:36
toys.
36:37
So
36:38
many
36:38
toys.
36:39
You
36:39
could
36:39
buy
36:40
multiple
36:40
versions
36:41
of
36:41
Batman,
36:42
Robin,
36:43
Mr.
36:43
Freeze,
36:44
Bane,
36:44
Poison
36:45
Ivy,
36:46
Batgirl.
36:47
You
36:47
could
36:47
buy
36:47
Batgirl's
36:48
Ice
36:48
Strike
36:49
Cycle.
36:50
There
36:50
were
36:50
multiple
36:51
scale
36:51
versions
36:51
of
36:52
Batman,
36:52
Batmobile,
36:53
Mist
36:54
of
36:54
Praise's
36:54
henchman,
36:55
Frostbite.
36:56
You
36:56
could
36:56
also
36:56
buy
36:56
him.
36:57
There
36:57
were
36:57
14
36:58
different
36:58
versions
36:59
of
36:59
Batman
37:00
alone
37:00
including
37:02
Wing
37:02
Blast
37:03
Batman,
37:04
Snow
37:04
Tracker,
37:04
Batman,
37:05
Thermal
37:06
Shield,
37:06
Batman
37:07
Battleboard,
37:08
Batman
37:08
and
37:09
Ambush
37:09
Attack
37:10
Batman
37:11
and
37:11
Warner
37:11
Brothers
37:12
wanted
37:12
your
37:12
child
37:13
to
37:13
have
37:13
all
37:14
of
37:14
them.
37:14
You
37:15
can
37:15
still
37:15
buy
37:15
these
37:16
figures
37:16
online
37:16
and
37:17
Prices
37:17
range
37:17
from
37:18
$24.99
37:20
for
37:20
Ice
37:20
Blade
37:21
Batman
37:21
to
37:22
$99.99
37:24
for
37:24
Mr.
37:24
Freeze.
37:26
Vehicles
37:26
are
37:27
more
37:27
expensive,
37:28
packs
37:28
of
37:28
characters
37:29
even
37:30
more
37:30
expensive
37:32
and
37:32
then
37:32
Batman
37:33
and
37:33
Robin
37:33
released
37:33
on
37:34
20
37:34
June
37:35
1997,
37:36
the
37:36
same
37:36
week
37:37
as
37:37
My
37:37
Best
37:37
Friend's
37:38
wedding.
37:38
That's
37:38
episode
37:39
145
37:40
of
37:40
this
37:40
podcast
37:41
and
37:41
in
37:41
its
37:41
first
37:42
week
37:42
it
37:42
went
37:42
straight
37:43
to
37:43
number
37:43
one
37:43
at
37:43
the
37:43
box
37:44
office.
37:45
It
37:45
had
37:45
the
37:45
third
37:46
highest
37:46
opening
37:47
weekend
37:47
gross
37:47
of
37:48
1997,
37:49
just
37:49
behind
37:50
Men
37:50
in
37:50
Black
37:50
and
37:50
the
37:51
Lost
37:51
World,
37:51
Jurassic
37:52
park
37:52
and
37:53
it
37:53
was
37:53
the
37:53
seventh
37:53
highest
37:54
non
37:54
holiday
37:55
opening
37:55
weekend
37:55
of
37:56
all
37:56
time
37:56
as
37:57
of
37:57
its
37:57
release.
37:59
But
37:59
word
38:00
of
38:00
mouth
38:00
wasn't
38:01
great
38:01
and
38:01
nor
38:02
were
38:02
the
38:02
reviews.
38:03
By
38:03
its
38:04
second
38:04
week
38:04
it
38:04
dropped
38:05
61%
38:06
to
38:06
fifth
38:06
place
38:07
behind
38:07
Hercules,
38:08
Face
38:09
Off,
38:09
Men
38:10
in
38:10
Black
38:10
and
38:10
My
38:11
Best
38:11
Friend's
38:11
Wedding.
38:12
Batman
38:13
and
38:13
Robin
38:13
would
38:13
only
38:14
stay
38:14
in
38:14
the
38:14
top
38:14
10
38:15
for
38:15
five
38:15
weeks
38:17
on
38:17
its
38:17
estimated
38:18
125
38:19
to
38:19
$160
38:20
million
38:20
budget.
38:21
Batman
38:22
and
38:22
Robin
38:22
would
38:22
gross
38:23
$107.3
38:24
million
38:25
domestically
38:26
in
38:26
the
38:26
US
38:27
and
38:27
$130.9
38:28
million
38:29
internationally,
38:30
for
38:30
a
38:30
total
38:31
worldwide
38:31
gross
38:31
of
38:32
$238.2
38:33
million,
38:35
with
38:35
at
38:35
least
38:35
$125
38:36
million
38:37
spent
38:37
on
38:37
the
38:38
movie
38:38
and
38:39
at
38:39
least
38:39
$125
38:40
million
38:41
spent
38:41
on
38:41
marketing.
38:42
Batman
38:42
and
38:43
Robin
38:43
didn't
38:43
do
38:44
as
38:44
well
38:44
as
38:44
Warner
38:45
Bros.
38:45
Had
38:45
hoped.
38:46
It
38:46
ended
38:47
its
38:47
box
38:47
Office
38:47
run
38:48
nearly
38:48
$100
38:48
million
38:49
short
38:50
of
38:50
Batman
38:51
Forever.
38:52
Critically,
38:53
it
38:53
also
38:53
didn't
38:54
do
38:54
very
38:54
well.
38:55
Rotten
38:55
Tomatoes
38:56
has
38:56
this
38:56
movie
38:57
at
38:57
11%,
38:58
the
38:59
website's
38:59
consensus
39:00
reads.
39:00
Joel
39:01
Schumacher's
39:01
tongue
39:02
in
39:02
cheek
39:02
attitude
39:03
hits
39:03
an
39:03
unbearable
39:04
limit
39:04
in
39:04
Batman
39:05
and
39:05
Robin,
39:05
resulting
39:06
in
39:06
a
39:06
frantic
39:07
and
39:07
mindless
39:08
movie
39:08
that's
39:09
too
39:09
jokey
39:09
to
39:10
care
39:10
much
39:10
for.
39:11
Batman
39:12
and
39:12
Robin
39:12
was
39:13
heavily
39:13
criticized
39:14
for
39:14
its
39:14
script,
39:15
direction,
39:16
acting,
39:17
toyetic
39:17
approach,
39:18
but
39:19
it
39:19
was
39:19
praised
39:19
for
39:20
its
39:20
production
39:20
values.
39:21
Those
39:22
Offending
39:22
bat
39:22
nipples,
39:23
though,
39:23
became
39:24
the
39:24
one
39:24
thing
39:25
this
39:25
movie
39:25
is
39:26
most
39:26
remembered
39:26
for.
39:27
Even
39:27
though
39:28
technically
39:28
they
39:29
premiered
39:29
in
39:29
Batman
39:30
Forever,
39:31
Batman
39:32
and
39:32
Robin
39:32
was
39:32
nominated
39:33
for
39:33
11
39:33
Razzie
39:34
Awards,
39:34
winning
39:35
Worst
39:35
Supporting
39:36
Actress
39:36
for
39:36
Alicia
39:37
Silverstone.
39:38
It
39:38
was
39:38
also
39:38
nominated
39:39
for
39:39
five
39:39
Stinkers
39:40
Bad
39:40
Movie
39:41
Awards,
39:41
winning
39:41
four
39:42
Worst
39:43
Picture,
39:43
Worst
39:43
Screenplay
39:44
for
39:44
a
39:44
film
39:44
grossing
39:45
More
39:45
than
39:45
$100
39:46
million
39:46
worldwide.
39:47
Using
39:47
Hollywood
39:47
math,
39:48
Worst
39:49
Director
39:49
and
39:49
Worst
39:50
Supporting
39:50
Actress
39:50
again,
39:51
Phil
39:51
Silverstone.
39:52
But
39:53
all
39:53
throughout
39:53
this,
39:54
Warner
39:54
Brothers
39:55
were
39:55
so
39:55
positive
39:56
about
39:56
this
39:56
movie
39:57
and
39:57
because
39:58
they
39:58
were
39:58
during
39:59
the
39:59
filming
39:59
of
39:59
Batman
40:00
and
40:00
Robin,
40:01
they
40:01
were
40:01
so
40:01
impressed
40:02
with
40:02
the
40:02
dailies.
40:03
So
40:03
even
40:04
before
40:04
Batman
40:04
and
40:04
Robin
40:05
came
40:05
out,
40:05
they'd
40:06
hired
40:06
Joel
40:06
Schumacher
40:07
to
40:07
return
40:08
as
40:08
a
40:08
director
40:09
for
40:09
Batman
40:10
5,
40:10
with
40:11
Mark
40:11
Protozevich
40:12
hired
40:12
to
40:13
write
40:13
follow
40:13
up.
40:14
This
40:14
would
40:14
have
40:15
had
40:15
the
40:15
Scarecrow
40:15
as
40:16
the
40:16
main
40:16
villain.
40:17
Reportedly
40:17
would
40:18
have
40:18
been
40:18
coolio.
40:19
He
40:19
has
40:19
a
40:19
small
40:19
cameo
40:20
in
40:20
this
40:20
movie.
40:21
It
40:21
would
40:21
have
40:21
also
40:21
included
40:22
Harley
40:22
Quinn
40:23
as
40:23
a
40:23
supporting
40:23
character.
40:25
The
40:25
follow
40:25
up,
40:25
which
40:26
was
40:26
called
40:26
Batman
40:27
Unchained
40:27
was
40:28
already
40:28
in
40:28
development
40:28
when
40:29
Batman
40:29
and
40:29
Robin
40:30
was
40:30
released.
40:31
A
40:31
spin
40:31
off
40:31
focused
40:32
on
40:32
Robin
40:33
was
40:33
also
40:33
on
40:34
the
40:34
books.
40:35
Warner
40:35
Bros.
40:36
Scrapped
40:36
plans
40:37
for
40:37
Batman
40:37
Unchained.
40:38
Clooney
40:38
vowed
40:39
to
40:39
never
40:39
reprise
40:40
the
40:40
role
40:40
again.
40:41
All
40:41
of
40:41
the
40:41
spin
40:42
off
40:42
films
40:42
were
40:42
cancelled
40:43
and
40:43
Warner
40:43
Brothers
40:44
spent
40:44
years
40:44
going
40:45
through
40:45
directors
40:46
and
40:46
screenwriters
40:47
before
40:47
finally
40:48
settling
40:48
on
40:48
Christopher
40:49
Nolan's
40:50
pitch
40:50
for
40:50
Batman
40:50
Begins.
40:51
And
40:52
that
40:52
is
40:52
a
40:52
story
40:52
for
40:53
its
40:53
own
40:53
separate
40:54
set
40:54
of
40:54
podcast
40:55
episodes.
40:56
My
40:56
fondness
40:57
for
40:57
Batman
40:57
Forever
40:58
is
40:58
pretty
40:58
well
40:58
known,
40:59
I
40:59
think,
40:59
by
40:59
this
40:59
point.
41:00
In
41:00
fact,
41:00
I
41:01
love
41:01
all
41:01
these
41:01
Batman
41:02
movies.
41:02
The
41:03
Tim
41:03
Burton
41:03
ones
41:03
are
41:04
great.
41:04
I
41:04
lean
41:04
more
41:05
towards
41:05
Returns,
41:06
to
41:06
be
41:06
honest,
41:06
but
41:07
I
41:07
adore
41:07
Forever.
41:08
And
41:08
this
41:08
one
41:09
just
41:09
fully
41:09
embraces
41:10
the
41:10
camp,
41:11
colorful,
41:12
zany
41:12
Batman
41:13
of
41:13
the
41:13
60s
41:13
TV
41:14
show.
41:14
One
41:15
of
41:15
the
41:15
first
41:15
things
41:15
we
41:15
see
41:16
is
41:16
close
41:16
ups
41:17
of
41:17
Batman's
41:17
ass
41:18
and
41:18
his
41:18
chest,
41:19
his
41:19
crotch.
41:20
Robin's
41:20
too.
41:21
And
41:21
it's
41:21
almost
41:21
setting
41:22
you
41:22
up
41:22
for
41:23
this
41:23
ain't
41:23
your
41:24
dad's
41:24
Batman.
41:25
This
41:25
Batman
41:26
is
41:26
a
41:26
full
41:26
blown
41:27
sex
41:27
object
41:28
and
41:28
Poison
41:28
Ivy
41:29
knows
41:29
it.
41:29
I
41:30
bloody
41:30
loving
41:31
the
41:31
Thurman
41:31
in
41:31
this
41:32
movie.
41:32
I
41:32
truly
41:32
believe
41:33
she
41:33
understood
41:33
this
41:34
assignment
41:34
and
41:35
she
41:35
just
41:35
says
41:35
line
41:36
after
41:36
line
41:37
of
41:37
curses
41:38
and
41:38
darn
41:39
foiled
41:39
again
41:39
type
41:40
lines
41:40
that
41:41
definitely
41:41
wouldn't
41:41
have
41:42
been
41:42
out
41:42
of
41:42
place
41:43
in
41:43
the
41:43
series.
41:44
Not
41:44
to
41:44
mention
41:45
the
41:45
cartoony
41:45
sound
41:46
effects.
41:46
I
41:46
half
41:47
expected
41:47
to
41:47
see
41:48
a
41:48
splat
41:48
and
41:48
a
41:48
kaboom
41:49
show
41:49
up
41:50
at
41:50
some
41:50
point.
41:51
Joel
41:52
Schumacher
41:52
spent
41:53
much
41:53
of
41:53
his
41:53
life
41:53
after
41:54
this
41:54
movie
41:54
apologizing
41:55
for
41:56
this
41:56
movie,
41:56
as
41:57
did
41:57
George
41:57
Clooney,
41:58
who
41:58
still
41:58
apologizes
41:59
for
41:59
this
42:00
movie,
42:00
claiming
42:01
that
42:01
he
42:01
killed
42:01
Batman.
42:02
To
42:03
this
42:03
day,
42:03
pretty
42:03
much
42:04
everyone
42:04
involved
42:04
in
42:05
Batman
42:05
and
42:05
Robin
42:06
seems
42:06
at
42:06
least
42:06
a
42:07
little
42:07
bit
42:07
humiliated
42:08
to
42:08
be
42:08
associated
42:09
with
42:09
it.
42:10
Except
42:10
for
42:10
Arnold
42:11
Schwarzenegger
42:12
and
42:12
Uma
42:12
Thurman,
42:13
the
42:13
whole
42:13
bat
42:14
nipple
42:14
thing
42:14
was
42:14
a
42:14
ridiculously
42:15
big
42:15
deal
42:16
for
42:16
some
42:16
reason.
42:17
So
42:17
much
42:17
so
42:18
that
42:18
when
42:18
Bob
42:18
Kane,
42:19
the
42:19
creator
42:19
of
42:20
Batman,
42:20
died
42:20
in
42:21
1998,
42:22
his
42:22
aversion
42:23
to
42:23
those
42:23
bat
42:24
nipples
42:24
was
42:25
mentioned
42:25
in
42:25
his
42:26
obituary.
42:27
Schumacher
42:28
also
42:28
batted
42:29
questions
42:29
about
42:29
the
42:29
nipples
42:30
constantly,
42:31
usually
42:32
just
42:32
laughing
42:32
them
42:32
off.
42:33
He
42:33
even
42:33
joked
42:34
that
42:34
he
42:34
expected
42:35
to
42:35
see
42:35
bat
42:36
nipples
42:36
on
42:36
his
42:36
headstone.
42:37
That
42:38
didn't
42:38
happen,
42:38
thankfully,
42:39
but
42:39
when
42:39
Schumacher
42:40
died
42:40
in
42:41
2020,
42:42
many
42:42
of
42:42
his
42:42
obituaries
42:43
cited
42:43
him
42:44
as
42:44
the
42:44
man
42:45
who
42:45
put
42:45
nipples
42:46
on
42:46
the
42:46
batsuit.
42:47
I
42:47
mean,
42:47
what
42:47
a
42:48
legacy
42:48
that
42:48
man
42:49
has.
42:50
Joel
42:50
Schumacher
42:51
had
42:51
a
42:51
great
42:51
sense
42:51
of
42:51
humor
42:52
about
42:52
this
42:52
movie.
42:53
It's
42:53
a
42:53
shame
42:54
most
42:54
people
42:55
don't.
42:55
But
42:55
it's
42:56
also
42:56
a
42:56
shame
42:56
that
42:57
Schumacher
42:57
is
42:57
ridiculed
42:58
for
42:58
this
42:58
movie
42:59
because
42:59
he
42:59
made
43:00
really
43:00
great
43:01
movies
43:01
in
43:01
his
43:02
life
43:02
and
43:02
yet
43:02
everyone
43:03
just
43:03
ridicules
43:04
him
43:04
for
43:04
Batman
43:04
and
43:04
Robin.
43:05
If
43:06
you
43:06
went
43:06
from
43:06
Batman
43:07
1989
43:08
to
43:08
Batman
43:08
and
43:08
Robin,
43:09
the
43:09
terminal
43:09
whiplash
43:10
would
43:10
send
43:11
you
43:11
to
43:11
the
43:11
error
43:12
where
43:12
you'd
43:12
meet
43:13
Doug
43:13
Ross,
43:13
played
43:13
by
43:14
George
43:14
Clooney.
43:15
Schumacher
43:15
primed
43:16
us
43:16
with
43:16
Batman
43:16
Forever,
43:17
which
43:17
is
43:17
a
43:17
heartfelt
43:18
attempt
43:19
to
43:19
discuss
43:19
the
43:19
duality
43:20
of
43:20
Batman
43:21
and
43:21
delve
43:21
into
43:21
his
43:22
psyche.
43:22
I
43:23
talk
43:23
about
43:23
that
43:23
a
43:24
little
43:24
in
43:24
the
43:24
episode
43:25
on
43:25
Batman
43:25
Forever,
43:25
which
43:26
I
43:26
know
43:26
you
43:26
listen
43:26
to
43:27
already,
43:27
and
43:28
this
43:28
movie
43:28
half
43:28
heartedly
43:29
attempts
43:30
to
43:30
give
43:30
serious
43:30
commentary
43:31
on
43:32
the
43:32
relationship
43:32
between
43:33
Alfred
43:33
and
43:33
Bruce,
43:34
and
43:34
Bruce
43:35
having
43:35
a
43:35
father
43:35
figure
43:36
who
43:36
is
43:36
seriously
43:37
ill.
43:38
But
43:38
mostly,
43:38
this
43:38
movie
43:39
pays
43:39
homage
43:39
to
43:40
the
43:40
Golden
43:40
Age
43:40
comics
43:41
and
43:41
the
43:41
60s
43:41
TV
43:42
series.
43:43
It
43:43
may
43:43
not
43:43
be
43:44
your
43:44
dad's
43:44
Batman,
43:45
it
43:45
may
43:45
not
43:45
be
43:45
Burton's
43:46
Batman,
43:47
but
43:47
it
43:47
is
43:47
still
43:48
Batman.
43:49
The
43:50
plot,
43:50
if
43:51
we
43:51
can
43:51
call
43:51
it
43:51
a
43:52
plot,
43:52
is
43:53
ludicrous
43:53
and
43:53
daft
43:54
and
43:54
silly,
43:55
and
43:55
has
43:55
two
43:55
villains
43:56
who
43:56
want
43:56
completely
43:57
opposite
43:57
things,
43:58
a
43:58
frozen
43:59
tundra
43:59
and
43:59
a
44:00
planet
44:00
filled
44:00
with
44:01
plant
44:01
monster
44:01
things,
44:02
neither
44:03
of
44:03
them
44:03
realizing
44:04
that
44:04
you
44:04
can't
44:04
have
44:04
both.
44:06
This
44:06
is
44:06
not
44:06
a
44:06
movie
44:07
with
44:07
any
44:07
logic
44:08
or
44:08
physics
44:09
or
44:09
science
44:10
in
44:10
any
44:11
way,
44:11
shape
44:11
or
44:11
form.
44:12
This
44:12
is
44:12
a
44:12
movie
44:13
where
44:13
Batman
44:13
and
44:13
Robin
44:14
go
44:14
to
44:14
a
44:14
museum,
44:15
find
44:15
the
44:15
bad
44:16
guy
44:16
has
44:16
frozen
44:16
everything,
44:17
and
44:17
magically
44:18
have
44:18
ice
44:18
skates
44:19
in
44:19
their
44:19
boots.
44:20
It's
44:20
a
44:20
movie
44:21
where
44:21
said
44:22
bad
44:22
guy
44:22
literally
44:23
uses
44:23
puns
44:23
in
44:24
every
44:24
line.
44:25
Most
44:25
of
44:25
them
44:25
don't
44:26
make
44:26
any
44:26
sense.
44:27
What
44:27
killed
44:28
the
44:28
dinosaurs?
44:28
He
44:28
asks
44:29
before
44:29
toppling
44:30
a
44:30
giant
44:30
sauropod
44:31
statue
44:31
onto
44:31
Batman.
44:32
The
44:33
Ice
44:33
Age.
44:34
That
44:34
isn't
44:35
even
44:35
remotely
44:35
true.
44:36
The
44:36
Ice
44:36
Age
44:37
was
44:37
millions
44:37
of
44:38
years
44:38
later.
44:39
Poison
44:39
Ivy
44:40
could
44:40
be
44:40
a
44:41
stark
44:41
warning
44:41
about
44:42
global
44:42
warming,
44:43
environmentalism,
44:44
the
44:44
erosion
44:45
of
44:45
our
44:45
natural
44:45
world,
44:46
but
44:46
all
44:47
she
44:47
does
44:47
is
44:47
flirt,
44:48
set
44:48
men
44:48
off
44:48
against
44:49
each
44:49
other
44:49
and
44:50
plan
44:50
the
44:50
extinction
44:51
of
44:51
humanity.
44:52
But
44:52
she
44:52
looks
44:53
great
44:53
doing
44:53
it,
44:53
and
44:54
Uma
44:54
Thurman
44:54
really
44:55
is
44:55
having
44:55
the
44:55
best
44:55
time
44:56
winking
44:56
at
44:56
the
44:56
camera
44:57
and
44:57
all
44:57
the
44:58
men
44:58
around
44:58
her
44:58
fawning
44:59
over
44:59
her
44:59
beauty.
45:00
She's
45:00
basically
45:01
here
45:01
saying
45:02
men
45:02
are
45:02
dumb
45:03
and
45:03
they'll
45:03
do
45:03
anything
45:04
for
45:04
a
45:04
pretty
45:04
girl.
45:05
And
45:05
you
45:05
know
45:06
what?
45:06
I
45:06
hear
45:07
you,
45:07
Ivy.
45:07
Say
45:07
it
45:08
like
45:08
it
45:08
is.
45:09
Sorry
45:09
men,
45:09
but
45:10
I
45:10
guarantee
45:10
most
45:11
of
45:11
you
45:11
would
45:11
fall
45:11
under
45:12
Ivy's
45:12
spell
45:13
immediately.
45:14
Although
45:14
maybe
45:15
I'm
45:15
also
45:15
under
45:15
her
45:16
spell
45:16
because
45:16
I
45:16
genuinely
45:17
think
45:17
she's
45:17
the
45:17
best
45:18
thing
45:18
in
45:18
this
45:18
movie.
45:18
And
45:19
damn
45:19
you
45:19
Ivy.
45:20
Damn
45:20
you
45:20
and
45:20
your
45:21
pheromones.
45:22
As
45:23
for
45:23
George
45:23
Clooney,
45:23
I
45:24
feel
45:24
like
45:24
he
45:24
never
45:24
stood
45:25
a
45:25
chance.
45:26
His
45:26
Bruce
45:26
Wayne
45:27
was
45:27
never
45:27
given
45:28
anything
45:28
to
45:28
work
45:29
with,
45:29
and
45:29
his
45:29
Batman
45:30
just
45:30
disappears
45:31
under
45:31
the
45:31
weight
45:31
of
45:32
this
45:32
campy
45:32
neon
45:33
world
45:33
with
45:33
its
45:33
enormous
45:34
Greek
45:34
statues
45:35
and
45:35
gangs
45:36
in
45:36
black
45:36
light
45:37
makeup.
45:38
Clooney
45:38
is
45:39
a
45:39
good
45:39
actor.
45:39
He's
45:40
charismatic
45:40
and
45:41
interesting
45:41
to
45:41
watch
45:41
in
45:42
anything
45:43
see
45:43
out
45:44
of
45:44
Sight
45:44
he
45:44
made
45:44
the
45:45
year
45:45
after
45:45
this.
45:45
He
45:45
is
45:46
so
45:46
good
45:46
in
45:46
that
45:46
movie.
45:47
George
45:48
Clooney
45:48
has
45:48
the
45:48
looks,
45:49
the
45:49
talent
45:50
and
45:50
the
45:50
charisma
45:51
to
45:51
play
45:52
both
45:52
Bruce
45:52
Wayne
45:53
and
45:53
Batman,
45:54
and
45:54
yet
45:54
he's
45:54
given
45:54
nothing
45:55
but
45:55
cheap
45:56
gags
45:56
and
45:56
butt
45:57
shots.
45:58
He
45:58
does
45:58
have
45:58
a
45:59
great
45:59
butt
45:59
though.
46:00
I
46:00
have
46:01
talked
46:01
about
46:01
many
46:01
disaster
46:02
productions
46:02
on
46:02
this
46:03
podcast,
46:03
most
46:03
recently
46:04
Cutthroat
46:04
island
46:05
and
46:05
Tombstone
46:06
both
46:06
had
46:07
issues
46:07
Sometimes
46:08
it's
46:08
obvious
46:08
why
46:09
a
46:09
movie
46:09
doesn't
46:10
work.
46:10
Batman
46:11
and
46:11
Robin
46:11
should
46:12
have
46:12
worked.
46:12
It
46:13
could
46:13
have
46:13
worked.
46:14
No
46:14
one
46:15
intended
46:15
to
46:16
make
46:16
a
46:16
bad
46:16
movie.
46:17
It
46:17
had
46:17
the
46:18
same
46:18
team
46:18
behind
46:19
it,
46:19
but
46:19
it
46:20
also
46:20
had
46:20
an
46:20
extremely
46:21
rushed
46:21
production
46:21
schedule,
46:22
with
46:22
Schumacher
46:23
later
46:23
admitting
46:24
he
46:24
felt
46:24
pressured
46:24
to
46:25
deliver
46:25
a
46:25
product
46:26
quickly
46:26
rather
46:27
than
46:27
focus
46:27
on
46:28
quality.
46:29
The
46:29
emphasis
46:30
on
46:30
visual
46:30
effects,
46:31
costumes
46:32
and
46:32
set
46:32
pieces
46:33
overshadowed
46:34
character
46:34
development
46:35
and
46:35
coherent
46:36
plot.
46:36
It
46:37
was
46:37
too
46:37
toy
46:38
focused
46:38
and
46:39
certainly
46:39
was
46:39
fast
46:40
tracked
46:40
too
46:40
quickly
46:41
for
46:41
its
46:41
own
46:41
good.
46:42
But
46:42
while
46:42
Schumacher
46:43
continued
46:43
to
46:44
take
46:44
the
46:44
blame
46:44
and
46:45
apologized
46:45
again
46:46
and
46:46
again,
46:47
the
46:47
fault
46:47
can't
46:48
really
46:48
lie
46:48
with
46:48
him.
46:49
The
46:49
movie
46:50
came
46:50
in
46:50
on
46:50
time,
46:51
actually
46:51
two
46:52
weeks
46:52
early
46:53
and
46:53
on
46:53
budget.
46:54
There
46:54
were
46:54
no
46:54
production
46:55
issues.
46:55
There
46:55
were
46:56
no
46:56
expensive
46:56
reshoots.
46:57
This
46:58
was
46:58
what
46:58
Warner
46:58
Brothers
46:59
wanted,
47:00
and
47:00
they
47:00
learned
47:01
their
47:01
lesson,
47:02
and
47:02
importantly,
47:03
so
47:03
did
47:04
everyone
47:04
else.
47:06
In
47:06
2009,
47:07
Marvel
47:07
Studios
47:08
President
47:08
Kevin
47:08
Feige
47:09
said
47:09
that
47:10
Batman
47:10
and
47:10
Robin
47:11
may
47:11
be
47:11
the
47:11
most
47:12
important
47:12
comic
47:12
book
47:13
film
47:13
ever
47:13
made
47:14
because
47:14
it
47:14
was
47:15
so
47:15
bad.
47:15
It
47:15
demanded
47:16
a
47:16
new
47:16
way
47:17
of
47:17
doing
47:17
things.
47:18
It
47:18
created
47:19
the
47:19
opportunity
47:19
to
47:20
make
47:20
X
47:20
Men
47:20
in
47:21
2000
47:21
and
47:22
Spider
47:22
man
47:22
in
47:22
2002
47:24
in
47:24
a
47:24
way
47:24
that
47:24
respected
47:25
the
47:25
source
47:25
material
47:26
to
47:26
a
47:27
higher
47:27
degree.
47:28
It
47:28
meant
47:28
no
47:28
yellow
47:29
spandex
47:29
for
47:29
the
47:30
X
47:30
Men,
47:30
but
47:30
it
47:31
also
47:31
meant
47:31
casting
47:32
genuine
47:32
thespians
47:33
alongside
47:33
unknowns.
47:35
It
47:35
was
47:35
a
47:35
serious
47:35
story
47:36
about
47:36
oppression,
47:37
fear
47:37
mongering,
47:38
and
47:38
yes,
47:39
superheroes
47:40
have
47:40
always
47:40
been
47:41
political.
47:42
The
47:42
X
47:42
Men
47:42
have
47:43
roots
47:43
in
47:43
the
47:43
civil
47:43
rights
47:44
movement
47:44
and
47:45
work
47:45
as
47:45
an
47:45
allegory
47:46
for
47:46
any
47:46
marginalized
47:47
community.
47:48
Most
47:48
importantly,
47:49
X
47:49
Men
47:49
wasn't
47:50
made
47:50
with
47:50
just
47:51
children
47:51
in
47:51
mind
47:52
and
47:52
nor
47:52
was
47:52
Spider
47:53
man,
47:53
despite
47:54
it
47:54
leaning
47:54
towards
47:55
the
47:55
camp
47:55
and
47:55
color
47:56
of
47:56
Batman
47:56
and
47:56
Robin.
47:57
Thanks
47:58
to
47:58
this
47:58
movie's
47:59
failure,
47:59
other
48:00
superhero
48:00
movies
48:01
got
48:01
the
48:01
chance
48:01
to
48:01
shine,
48:02
tell
48:02
compelling
48:03
stories,
48:04
to
48:04
be
48:04
proud
48:04
of
48:05
their
48:05
comic
48:05
book
48:05
roots,
48:06
and
48:06
it
48:06
changed
48:07
cinema
48:07
as
48:07
we
48:07
know
48:08
it.
48:08
And
48:09
while
48:09
George
48:09
Clooney
48:10
continues
48:10
to
48:10
apologize
48:11
for
48:11
his
48:11
Batman,
48:12
26
48:13
years
48:13
after
48:13
the
48:14
release
48:14
of
48:14
Batman
48:14
and
48:14
Robin,
48:15
he
48:15
made
48:15
a
48:16
cameo
48:16
appearance
48:16
as
48:17
Bruce
48:17
wayne
48:18
in
48:18
the
48:18
2023
48:19
superhero
48:20
film
48:20
the
48:21
Flash.
48:21
Almost
48:22
like
48:22
a
48:22
full
48:22
circle
48:23
moment
48:23
for
48:24
a
48:24
man
48:24
who
48:25
has
48:25
openly
48:25
admitted
48:26
that
48:26
he
48:26
is
48:26
ashamed
48:27
of
48:27
Batman
48:27
and
48:28
Robin.
48:28
For
48:29
him
48:29
to
48:29
come
48:29
back
48:29
and
48:30
play
48:30
this
48:30
character
48:31
again,
48:31
albeit
48:32
for
48:32
a
48:32
brief
48:32
cameo,
48:33
must
48:33
have
48:34
meant
48:34
quite
48:34
a
48:34
lot.
48:36
Sometimes
48:36
you
48:36
need
48:36
to
48:37
hit
48:37
rock
48:37
bottom
48:38
or
48:38
bat
48:39
bottom
48:39
before
48:39
you
48:40
find
48:40
your
48:40
way
48:40
back
48:41
up.
48:41
Hollywood
48:42
needed
48:42
Batman
48:43
and
48:43
Robin
48:43
so
48:43
that
48:44
we
48:44
could
48:44
get
48:44
the
48:44
sort
48:44
of
48:45
grounded,
48:45
recognizable
48:47
human
48:47
stories
48:47
within
48:48
comic
48:48
book
48:48
adaptations
48:50
that
48:50
we
48:50
can't
48:50
have
48:50
silly,
48:51
campy
48:51
movies,
48:52
but
48:52
that
48:52
we
48:53
weren't
48:53
going
48:53
to
48:53
let
48:53
Hollywood
48:54
insult
48:55
our
48:55
intelligence
48:56
and
48:56
demean
48:56
the
48:57
important
48:57
messages
48:57
that
48:58
come
48:58
from
48:58
our
48:58
comic
48:59
book
48:59
movies.
49:00
And
49:00
I
49:00
for
49:00
one
49:01
am
49:01
so
49:01
happy
49:02
this
49:02
movie
49:02
exists.
49:04
Batman
49:05
and
49:05
Robin.
49:06
I'm
49:06
cool
49:06
with
49:06
it.
49:07
That's
49:08
the
49:08
last
49:08
pun,
49:09
I
49:09
promise.
49:12
That
49:12
is
49:13
a
49:13
bad
49:13
pun.
49:15
Thank
49:15
you
49:15
for
49:15
listening.
49:16
As
49:16
always,
49:16
I
49:16
would
49:16
love
49:17
to
49:17
hear
49:17
your
49:17
thoughts
49:17
on
49:17
Batman
49:18
and
49:18
Robin.
49:18
And
49:19
as
49:19
always,
49:19
thank
49:19
you
49:19
for
49:19
your
49:20
continued
49:20
support
49:20
of
49:21
this
49:21
podcast.
49:22
If
49:22
you
49:23
want
49:23
to
49:23
get
49:23
involved
49:23
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49:23
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49:23
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49:24
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49:24
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49:24
that
49:24
would
49:25
be
49:25
amazing
49:25
and
49:25
I
49:26
would
49:26
be
49:26
so
49:26
thankful.
49:27
You
49:27
could
49:28
simply
49:28
tell
49:29
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49:29
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49:29
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49:30
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49:30
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49:30
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49:30
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49:31
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49:33
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49:38
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49:41
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49:41
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49:42
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49:54
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49:54
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49:54
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49:54
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49:54
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49:54
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49:55
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49:55
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49:55
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49:55
this
49:55
podcast
49:56
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49:56
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49:56
basically
49:57
telling
49:57
these
49:58
incredible
49:58
stories
49:59
about
49:59
movies
50:00
that
50:00
you
50:00
may
50:01
think
50:01
are
50:01
worthy
50:02
of
50:02
those
50:02
stories.
50:03
I
50:03
disagree.
50:04
I
50:04
think
50:04
Batman
50:04
and
50:05
Robin
50:05
is
50:05
incredibly
50:06
worthy
50:06
of
50:06
this
50:06
podcast.
50:08
Of
50:08
course,
50:08
if
50:08
you
50:08
like
50:09
this
50:09
episode
50:09
on
50:09
Batman
50:09
and
50:09
Robin,
50:10
there
50:10
are
50:10
plenty
50:11
of
50:11
other
50:11
Batman
50:11
episodes
50:12
if
50:12
you
50:12
haven't
50:12
already
50:13
listened.
50:13
Episode
50:14
153
50:15
on
50:15
Batman
50:16
1989,
50:17
183
50:18
on
50:19
Batman
50:19
Returns,
50:20
and
50:20
271
50:21
Batman
50:22
Forever.
50:23
I
50:23
have
50:23
no
50:23
immediate
50:24
plans
50:24
to
50:25
go
50:25
to
50:25
Christopher
50:25
Nolan
50:26
Batman's,
50:27
but
50:27
please
50:27
let
50:28
me
50:28
know,
50:28
are
50:29
the
50:29
Christopher
50:29
Nolan
50:30
Batman
50:30
movies
50:30
something
50:30
that
50:31
you
50:31
would
50:31
be
50:31
interested
50:32
in
50:32
hearing
50:32
the
50:32
history
50:33
and
50:33
legacy
50:33
of?
50:34
They
50:34
are
50:34
incredible
50:35
movies.
50:35
I
50:36
know
50:36
a
50:36
lot
50:36
of
50:36
people
50:36
are
50:37
huge
50:37
fans
50:37
of
50:37
the
50:37
Christopher
50:38
Nolan
50:38
trilogy,
50:39
so
50:39
get
50:39
in
50:40
touch
50:40
on
50:40
social
50:40
media
50:41
or
50:41
on
50:41
the
50:41
email
50:42
address
50:42
that
50:42
I'm
50:42
just
50:42
about
50:43
to
50:43
tell
50:43
you.
50:43
Let
50:44
me
50:44
know,
50:44
would
50:44
you
50:44
like
50:45
an
50:45
episode
50:45
on
50:45
the
50:46
Christopher
50:46
Nolan
50:46
Batman
50:47
trilogy?
50:48
And
50:48
obviously
50:48
give
50:49
me
50:49
feedback
50:49
on
50:50
my
50:50
recommendations.
50:51
Now
50:52
I'm
50:52
going
50:52
to
50:52
be
50:52
taking
50:52
a
50:53
small
50:53
break
50:54
and
50:54
then
50:55
come
50:55
back
50:55
with
50:55
a
50:55
movie
50:56
that
50:56
has
50:56
grown
50:56
remarkably
50:57
even
50:58
more
50:58
prescient
50:58
and
50:59
important
51:00
since
51:00
its
51:00
initial
51:01
release
51:01
in
51:01
2021.
51:03
Now
51:03
how
51:03
could
51:03
a
51:03
movie
51:04
become
51:04
more
51:04
important
51:05
just
51:05
four
51:05
years
51:06
later?
51:07
Well,
51:07
the
51:07
world
51:08
has
51:08
changed
51:08
a
51:08
lot
51:09
in
51:09
that
51:09
time,
51:10
and
51:10
we
51:10
live
51:10
in
51:10
a
51:10
world
51:11
where
51:11
women's
51:11
bodily
51:12
autonomy
51:12
is
51:12
being
51:13
stripped
51:13
away
51:13
piece
51:14
by
51:14
piece.
51:14
It
51:15
feels
51:15
like
51:15
women's
51:16
rights
51:16
are
51:16
taking
51:16
a
51:17
step
51:17
backwards.
51:18
And
51:18
this
51:18
is
51:18
a
51:19
movie
51:19
where
51:19
young
51:20
orphaned
51:20
girls
51:20
are
51:21
taken,
51:21
brainwashed,
51:22
forcibly
51:23
sterilized,
51:24
and
51:24
turned
51:25
into
51:25
elite
51:25
assassins
51:26
that
51:26
have
51:27
to
51:27
do
51:27
their
51:27
leader's
51:28
bidding.
51:28
And
51:29
this
51:29
is
51:29
the
51:29
Black
51:30
Widow
51:30
program.
51:31
Or
51:31
it
51:31
was.
51:32
And
51:32
between
51:33
the
51:33
events
51:33
of
51:33
Captain
51:34
Civil
51:34
War
51:34
and
51:35
Infinity
51:36
War,
51:36
Natasha
51:37
Romanoff
51:38
was
51:38
finally
51:39
given
51:39
her
51:39
own
51:39
solo
51:40
story,
51:41
some
51:41
may
51:41
say
51:42
several
51:42
years
51:42
too
51:43
late.
51:44
Black
51:44
Widow
51:44
is
51:45
kind
51:45
of
51:45
lost
51:45
in
51:46
the
51:46
grand
51:46
scheme
51:46
of
51:46
the
51:47
MCU
51:47
and
51:48
rewatching
51:48
it
51:49
recently.
51:49
I
51:49
enjoyed
51:50
it
51:50
much
51:50
more
51:50
than
51:51
I
51:51
did
51:51
when
51:51
it
51:51
came
51:52
out
51:52
in
51:52
2021.
51:53
I
51:54
genuinely
51:54
think
51:54
it's
51:55
one
51:55
of
51:55
the
51:55
MCU's
51:56
hidden
51:56
gems.
51:57
So
51:57
I
51:57
want
51:57
to
51:57
do
51:58
an
51:58
episode
51:58
on
51:58
the
51:58
history
51:58
and
51:59
Legacy
51:59
of
51:59
Black
51:59
Widow
52:00
in
52:00
the
52:00
next
52:00
episode.
52:01
Kind
52:02
of.
52:02
Again,
52:03
long
52:03
time
52:03
coming
52:03
to
52:03
this
52:04
podcast
52:04
because
52:04
I
52:04
know
52:05
I've
52:05
talked
52:05
to
52:05
people
52:05
about
52:06
doing
52:06
Black
52:06
Widow
52:07
in
52:07
the
52:07
past,
52:08
but
52:08
it
52:08
is
52:08
time
52:09
to
52:09
talk
52:09
about
52:09
Black
52:10
Widow
52:10
and
52:10
it's
52:11
also
52:11
time
52:11
to
52:12
introduce
52:13
the
52:13
McPugh.
52:15
So
52:15
please
52:15
join
52:16
me
52:16
next
52:16
episode
52:17
for
52:17
the
52:17
History
52:17
and
52:18
Legacy
52:18
of
52:18
Black
52:19
Widow.
52:20
If
52:20
you
52:20
enjoy
52:21
what
52:21
I
52:21
do
52:21
for
52:21
this
52:21
podcast
52:22
or
52:22
you
52:23
simply
52:23
want
52:23
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52:23
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52:23
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52:24
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52:24
podcaster
52:25
who
52:25
does
52:25
all
52:25
of
52:26
this
52:26
on
52:26
her
52:26
own.
52:27
If
52:27
you
52:27
have
52:28
some
52:28
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52:28
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52:29
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52:29
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52:30
want
52:30
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52:30
financially
52:30
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52:31
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52:31
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52:31
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52:31
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52:32
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52:32
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52:32
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52:33
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52:36
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52:36
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52:39
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52:39
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52:39
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