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TWR Saturday | Cancel Cancel Culture with Matt from Foulball Productions ​ · The Whitfield Report

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  Alrighty folks and welcome to tonight's edition of the
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  Whitfield report. I am host, Sam Whitfield
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  broadcasting. You're alive from NGC Studios
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  and I want to thank you all for joining us here tonight.
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  We are joined by Matt of fell ball productions here tonight on
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  the program. and, He'll be, he's a YouTube Creator and he hosts a
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  couple podcast on YouTube. So I've left his channel Linked
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  In the description below and without further Ado, Matt thank
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  you for joining us. Yeah, thanks a lot for having me
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  man. This is sounds pleasure to be
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  here. So first of all man how did you
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  like this? How did it start?
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  In content creation. Just tell us a little bit about
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  your background. You have a fairly interesting
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  background. So yeah.
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  So my background I was living in Los Angeles.
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  I've been there. I was there for about 10 years.
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  I was an actor. I spent a lot of time trying to
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  make that career work for what that was worth.
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  It was it was an uphill, struggle, most of the time, you
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  know, you get a break here and there, but for the most part,
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  it's just kind of a lot of grinding, a lot of time and
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  acting classes and begging for people.
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  In the industry to notice you and they rarely do so it was it
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  was a fair bit of work and I after time I grew pretty
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  disillusioned with it. Purse like from my own personal
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  perspective of just kind of it not working out how I wanted it
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  to work out. But another angle was really
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  there was something there that I was seeking that I never got and
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  that was like camaraderie I kind of always imagined that when I
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  would pursue this thing I would find other like-minded people
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  and that was going to be, you know, I would find like my tribe
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  as that's what they always say and Ila tribe.
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  But then that turns out that's cultural appropriation.
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  So you can't do that but but I never did and that was really
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  difficult. And then you combine that with
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  the kind of tornado of Of identity politics that kind of
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  covers everything in the entertainment industry.
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  It just became like an unpleasant place to be, but I
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  hadn't given up hope I was still sticking around and what ended
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  up drawing me into YouTube was the collapse of Game of Thrones.
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  Yes, you know, I've always been like a podcast fan, you know,
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  Rogan Opie and Anthony Barbour any of these comedians.
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  I'm a big, you know, Avid consumer of that type of stuff,
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  but I didn't know about what was going on on YouTube, until I
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  found till Game of Thrones destroyed cratered.
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  And I'm like, there has to be someone out there who gets this,
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  who sees what I'm seeing there has to be.
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  I cannot just sit here alone in my apartment, like watching my
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  favorite thing, completely. Laps and the first person I
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  found was a critical Drinker funny enough.
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  That's how I found you really kind of in the roundabout way.
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  So during the lockdown I am of 2020.
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  I went on this YouTube engine. I can't remember exactly how I
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  want down this rabbit hole but eventually I found the critical
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  Drinker and I watched one Of his reviews I think was like his
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  large breakdown on, like how how he would fix the Last Jedi or
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  yes, something good video. I remember that one or something
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  like that and then I found Gary from nerd Roddick.
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  And you know, I had no idea who it was, but I watched a few of
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  his videos found out that he did live streaming and then so I
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  started turning into a few of his live streams discovered
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  Friday night Tides, I joined their discords server, and I was
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  just kind of hanging in there and are okay.
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  Who's one of the mods and their dropped owing to your channel.
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  And kind of, I guess you would call what people would say they
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  Friday night tights after show ya.
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  What what can we say that? So I just was dropped in there
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  around Christmas time. Last year, and I like a lot of
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  what you're doing. And so I just figured I would
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  have you on since, you know, we're both kind of the smaller
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  channels in that community, so to speak.
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  Sure. Yeah.
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  Well, it's a, I really appreciate you having me on.
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  And it is, I found that the nerd Roddick Community is a great,
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  like, Hive of new content creators.
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  I mean, that's, that's pretty much where I found everyone
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  who's come. On the Friday.
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  After the after-show? You know, mf4 cocktail lounge on
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  Friday nights at 8:30 Central. That's pretty much where I found
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  everybody there. I mean vigilante Williamson,
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  who's my basically my podcast partner, we have a Wednesday
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  show called the culture crime fighter's, we do it, we switch
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  channels. Go on my channel one week, his
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  channel, the next we also put it out as a podcast, I'm like,
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  iTunes Spotify, all that, but I met him on a Gary like members
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  stream Yeah, cross paths with him.
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  Yeah, and I mean I've, I've been on a member of stream a few
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  times as well, I think you, and I kind of chatted about that.
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  It's funny, because I've been doing podcasting for probably 15
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  years. Now, I started when I was, wow,
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  I started when I was about 14 and didn't really get anywhere
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  for like, the first five years and then, I was a big fan of
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  Andrew Breitbart who you know was pretty famous and kind of
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  the conservative ish circles. And around that time, I also
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  started listening to Dennis Miller's radar show and then
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  pretty much after I Pretty much a year.
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  And to me listening to Dennis Miller was when Andrew Breitbart
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  died and just kind of Unaware, my I started emailing people at
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  Breitbart who he worked with, and one of those people was Ben
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  Shapiro and this was before Ben Shapiro was Ben Shapiro as we
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  know him. So that was kind of my first, I
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  guess Big Boost and then I just kind of focused on politics
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  really up until 2016 1 kind of the culture war and Politics
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  really kind of seem to cross fade and then during like after
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  the 2020 election, I just kind of got bored with politics
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  strictly. So I've been diving more into
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  the culture stuff and I've always I've always known that
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  like the culture war was important.
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  I just didn't really know kind of where the space where my
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  place in the space was. So I just like to talk to her
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  two different people in that space, more or less.
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  And the funny thing I find out like Gary is that like a lot of
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  people label him as like right wing or something like that?
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  But he's not. And I think it's really I think
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  it's really hard to kind of pin people down these days because
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  if you're not politically correct, You're automatically
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  labeled as right-wing, you know, even if you're not.
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  So yeah, that's a great Point, man.
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  It really is hard to pin people down nowadays.
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  Because what does any of that mean anymore?
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  You know, what is, what is being on the right mean today, you
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  know, like who, and who's the one defining it?
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  You know, is it are you a card-carrying Republican?
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  Like, I would say I'm not, but I'm very willing to embrace some
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  of the ideals that come from the right that I think, you know, No
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  are interesting or necessary right now and the same thing
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  goes for the left. You know, I've been listening to
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  a lot of James Lindsay recently. I don't know if you're familiar
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  with him, but he's a, he's a frequent a Rogan guest and he's
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  written a few books. I think he's a former office of
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  college professor, but he has a very academic background.
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  He actually became famous for publishing for submitting
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  papers. These grievance studies to these
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  papers to feminist. There's like I'm sorry feminist
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  Collegiate magazines, but basically what he did was he
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  took passages from mine Kampf and replaced Jews with men, and
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  then that was like exactly what they wanted to hear.
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  So it was the time of thing that, you know, kind of made him
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  a viral sensation, like Jordan Peterson, or Brett Weinstein.
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  And I've been listening to a lot of his books and he is what
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  you'd consider a classical liberal.
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  But he fights. Did you see Luke?
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  Yeah my cat just popped up there.
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  Hey buddy Juke he's a we love. We love cats and dogs on the
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  show. So right on perfect so but he so
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  James Lindsay is what you consider a classical liberal but
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  the people who are what you'd call the left now would would
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  absolutely not count him on their side.
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  So it is a very amorphous thing now.
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  It's, how do you define Mine where people are?
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  I think to me I find it less and less important to like identify
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  that. I don't really care.
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  I just kind of care more about your character and your
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  principles. So if I may ask you so I guess
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  where do you kind of a wine on on the Spectrum and is that one
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  of the reasons why you didn't really feel successful in
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  Hollywood? Well I'm I'm Idli, Auntie
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  critical theory so anything that kind of falls under the anti
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  critical theory umbrella. Sure.
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  I almost immediately have a problem with it.
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  Now the thing is a lot of what they believe and my opinion does
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  have some validity to it. It's just really cynically
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  misinterpreted or negatively portrayed or, you know,
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  cherry-picked to look, you know, in a certain what light.
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  So I I don't know. I mean, I have, I, I try to
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  respect everyone's point of view, you know, there's like hot
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  button issues that I kinda understand both sides.
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  Yeah. I guess it comes down to more
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  like, we're my principles aligned.
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  I'm sure there's people out there that would consider be
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  conservative, I guess, I don't but I don't care.
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  Like, it's like if that's what you want to count, call me, call
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  me, I don't care, whatever it is.
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  You want to describe me as as fine.
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  But yeah, I don't know. No, if I don't have like a
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  mentality of where I see myself as far as on the Spectrum, but
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  I'm open to like lots of different ideas.
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  Well, I mean, I think that's kind of where, you know, I am
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  and I think where a lot of people are.
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  I mean, I'm registered Republican and I, you know, I
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  hold a lot of views that I guess now would be considered
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  conservative, but like as far as like social issues like gay
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  marriage and what not like I don't, you know, I don't really
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  care, you know what you do you know and your private life.
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  As long as you're not harming anyone and as long as you know,
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  everyone is consenting and you know, over age and you know, I'm
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  age and whatnot. But you know, as far as like
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  this whole like You know thing of like a morality placing that
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  the right you know used to do I'm against that and now it
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  seems that the far left is doing that and there seems to be out.
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  It's weird because the two extremes almost seem to be More
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  or less the same in a sense just for different reasons you know
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  but are each other the left wants reparations for raise them
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  system in the past and it's unreasonable on there and the
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  whole, you know, critical theory, as you put it and then
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  you have the far alright people who also earned a critical
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  theory, but they think that, you know, the white race needs
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  reparations for things and it's just really weird.
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  How we got to this point. There's a great sketch by the
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  comedian. Ryan long.
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  Do you know who he is? Oh, yeah.
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  I know. I know Ryan long is.
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  He's got that woke and racism and how they both agree and like
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  their friends, but they have like the same ideas but they're
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  just kind of like just a little twisted.
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  Like I just like the alt it's so good.
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  It's like sums up exactly what you're just pointing out.
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  It's like it really is just the same.
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  It's the extension of it. I mean, I read that book by
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  John. James Lindsay called cynical
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  theories and if you, and once I began to understand like their
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  philosophy, like, where they're coming from, they really are
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  racists. I mean, there they basically say
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  this group of people does this this group of people does that,
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  and this is the experience of this person, and this is the
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  experience of that person, and they separate them very
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  decisively into groups. So, I don't know what.
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  Well, you could call that other than racism.
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  I mean, you're not, you're leaving.
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  For absolutely no, individuality amongst identity groups.
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  So what that's racism, I don't know what else I can be.
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  You're you're absolutely right. And you know, I think now the
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  other thing we have to do with is you know, cancel culture and
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  you know, which really I don't think it's anything really new,
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  it's just because the internet, there's more of a spotlight on
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  it but like one of the things that I know you were talking
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  about yesterday on, you know, your stream was the whole thing
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  with Joe Rogan and I am at a chance to talk at it because I
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  only do one or two shows per week.
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  You know, this is that but as far as the Rogan thing I'm kind
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  of curious to know what you think about all of that kind of
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  take, you know, it's an it's an interesting thing because
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  there's a pretty big development today that I didn't I haven't
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  looked into because I honestly just didn't want to, but
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  apparently someone did like a Supercut of things that Joe
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  Rogan has said that make him appear very racist.
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  He's not, I I would confidently say Say, all I've listened to
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  hundreds of hours of Rogue and I have no belief, he's a racist
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  but they make it look like that and Rogan actually apologized
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  for what he said. I think he tried to
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  contextualize it and sort of explain where he was coming from
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  but also he apologized and yesterday.
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  I was with which personally? No, sorry to interrupt
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  personally no nothing ever. I don't I don't think
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  apologizing for the mob as ever good especially When you're a
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  comedian completely agree with you, I think that that's, it's
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  usually a misstep because all it kind of does is just give them a
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  little bit more power, and that's more what they're after
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  than anything. They don't really care about the
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  plight of black people. It's just more about control.
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  So hidden doing that and then yesterday, 70 or so, episodes of
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  Joe Rogan Experience just disappeared from Spotify with no
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  explanation. Yeah, it's I don't look too much
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  into that, but like enough people have enough people have
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  said that the I'm kind of like, I'm just kind of like wow that's
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  total surprise. A good part of the reason why
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  it's surprising is I've actually so a few years ago, I actually,
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  one of the mob, one of the left-wing Twitter mobs actually
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  tried to kind of cancel my podcast and get it removed from
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  how congratulations you made it Spotify.
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  Yeah. So they tried to get me.
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  It was like a weird mix of like lefties and then.
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  All right people that were like trying to get This thing, he's
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  not racist enough, right? Well, it likes to many people.
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  It was basically, like, I criticized, one of their, you
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  know, one of their favorite personalities and so they, you
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  know, me and a few other friends.
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  It's kind of a long story, but long story short, they just
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  starting to, like, spamming iTunes and whatnot with bad
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  reviews and then tried really looking to Spotify.
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  And I actually got an email from Spotify saying, hey, we think,
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  Someone is just trying to like massively.
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  You know, like, believe that way bad reviews.
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  I don't know. The, I don't know if the
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  technical term for that, but they were basically like review
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  bombing. Yeah, review bombing.
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  Yeah, that, yeah, that's the time I'm using.
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  So they said, you know, we're going to lock this down for a
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  bit and, you know, wait until the wings kind of settle out.
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  There's not there's not anything Roy controversial, huh?
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  I don't understand what you just sort of disappeared off his own.
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  Right. Oh yeah.
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  Apparently we just we just lost connection.
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  Oh, are we on? Yeah, we're on again.
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  It just refreshed. It looked like, okay, cool.
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  Hopefully, the people in the chat can kind of confirm that I
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  have no idea what happened. But anyway, as I was saying, You
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  know, basically this mob review balmy and Spotify, you know,
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  more or less kept me kept me on and I'm, you know, I'm a nobody,
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  I only have 700 and something subscribers on YouTube and, you
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  know, I get more views on. I get more lessons on the audio
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  podcast but still, you know, I'm a relative nobody, so the fact
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  that they were willing to keep me on was great.
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  So, I've always kind of vouched for Spotify in that sense, you
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  know. Spotify and anchor, but now with
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  this, I'm kind of wondering, you know, now with them getting so
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  much publicity. I mean that was five years ago
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  when that happened and now I'm wondering, are they going to
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  start clamping down on more and more people.
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  Now that they've got so much more attention.
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  I think this Rogan stories bigger than it seems, I think
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  it's more than just like a one-day story.
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  Like this story has now been going for Like a week or so.
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  And I think it started just kind of being like, oh, this is like
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  something that happened, he addressed the covid
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  misinformation or whatever, you know, he didn't he didn't back
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  down, but he, you know, addressed it.
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  We talked about that on Wednesday.
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  Me and vigilante did, and then, and now yesterday's story with
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  the 74 episodes and out today, this to me, feels like
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  coordinated. It feels like, there's like
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  people trying to cancel, Indie platformer him and it's, it's
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  The amount of people who are growing in, oddly enough and
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  supportive, Neil Young is actually getting bigger.
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  And I think if I'm not mistaken, Michelle and Barack Obama
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  decided, they don't want to be on Spotify or something like
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  that. When the former president,
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  whatever you think of them set like makes an action like that.
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  I don't know what like Spotify that's that's a tough.
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  Very tough spot for them to be in and it's a lot of money on
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  the line. So I think think we're going to
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  see that. I think this story's going to
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  continue to develop and I don't know where it's gonna go.
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  Yeah well I I heard something about that but up until you
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  Steppin II had no idea if that if that was actually true or
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  not. The funny thing of it is though
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  is even though even though Obama has a podcast and even though he
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  has, even though he's the former president of the United States,
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  like nobody listens to his podcast cast, as far as I can
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  tell, I'm not and I'm not even saying as a dig.
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  I'm just saying, Like nobody, you know, maybe other than
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  hardcore Obama fans. Yeah.
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  Who is the audience for that? I mean, he's not going to say
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  anything radical enough to satisfy their base.
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  Even if he his actions in the past, may have reflected that
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  he's not going to he's not going to give them a sound bite that
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  can use against him, right? Yeah.
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  And so and then I just a normal person like he's not going to be
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  vulnerable enough to be a good podcast host to where you'd want
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  to listen to. So I honestly I have no idea who
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  the audience for that is I and he understands and he is like he
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  is co-hosting with Bruce Springsteen and I mean I listen
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  to an episode and it's not bad but it's like they talked about
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  like They talk, like, when they grew up, like in their, you
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  know, in their respective like hometowns, like it is a very,
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  you know, it's like it's very milquetoast, like, it's not, you
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  know, hey, if you want to do a milquetoast podcast, that, you
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  know, fine, but you know, like he's not really moving the
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  needle. You're not, he's not moving the
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  needle, he, you know, he's not doing anything.
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  So the fact that you want that, he's like threatening to leave.
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  Like, if I were Spotify I would only like I wouldn't come back
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  on me like uh okay. I mean I like it.
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  Yeah, from a business perspective.
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  You're right. It's not they're not going to
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  lose a lot of people but from an Optics perspective, how Dory
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  would translate and how the the Press would use that story to
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  leverage their position that Rogan is dangerous is that's
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  that's that's an issue. and the other problem I see to is Like
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  I've asked people how Rogue how Rogan is dangerous, and they
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  say, well, he spreads misinformation and I'm like,
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  how? Well we, as people who don't
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  believe in, you know, the vaccine on and I'm like, well
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  how having them on and allowing them to express their opinions?
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  How is that in and of itself dangerous because he doesn't
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  always agree with people on, you know, things even when he does
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  have people on. And it's, it's weird to me how
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  whole thing and like having a conversation is now even if you
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  don't like someone is now considered a you know blasphemy
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  almost yeah. That's it's like weird.
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  You nailed it? It's Blasphemous.
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  It's a the yeah I can't recommend that critical cynical
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  theories book more. Because that's exactly what the
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  conclusion you I drew was that this is essentially political
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  evangelism. It's not any it's not really
• 23:53
  based in fact and it's not up for debate.
• 23:57
  Like if Whatever, their conclusions are, you have to
• 24:00
  agree with them even if you could prove or, you know, you'd
• 24:02
  have enough facts to argue against it, that's off the table
• 24:06
  verboten, you don't do that. And so the more that that
• 24:11
  worldview has taken, hold in media, big Tech entertainment
• 24:15
  government, the more dangerous. It becomes to question it
• 24:20
  because it's growing Steam, and it's growing power, and it's
• 24:23
  growing influence, and it's not a far cry.
• 24:27
  Guy from socialist regimes that had political re-education camps
• 24:30
  and would kill intellectuals, be the, you know, who disagreed?
• 24:33
  It's it's really the same, I same concept spiritually.
• 24:37
  So it's, that's, I think that's to me.
• 24:40
  That's the reason why it's a dangerous conversation
• 24:44
  misinformation. It's, you know, your grades up
• 24:47
  essentially crimes against the state is what?
• 24:49
  If it works out to? Yeah.
• 24:52
  The other, the other weird thing to someone brought this to my
• 24:56
  attention, why? Two weeks ago and I had a chance
• 24:59
  to discuss it but you know we're talking people canceling Joe
• 25:04
  Rogan. But the other thing that's
• 25:07
  interesting too is now they're also canceling.
• 25:10
  People who are they're canceling, dead people.
• 25:12
  Now to imagine that's another we're not going on.
• 25:16
  I'm not sure if you heard anything about this, but I guess
• 25:22
  there and I haven't watched it. But I guess there's like a
• 25:25
  12-part like Documentary series on Annie.
• 25:30
  That's supposed to make like it's basically a smear campaign
• 25:34
  against Hugh. Hefner.
• 25:35
  It's yeah. From like it's from some of the
• 25:38
  former like I'm not even sure if they were Playmates but you know
• 25:43
  former have girlfriends who like oh you know alleged that like he
• 25:48
  write them or what you know like force them into some weird, you
• 25:52
  know things and any like promoted it as like a big
• 25:56
  takedown. And when in reality, like all of
• 26:00
  these, you know, Playboy staff members and a few of the
• 26:03
  Playmates have come out and said, no, really, you know, this
• 26:08
  stuff like this never happened. Wow, I had not heard that,
• 26:11
  that's interesting. So it's, it's an yeah, it's
• 26:15
  interesting. And you know, I, you know, say
• 26:19
  what you will about half the Eye-Fi, do find interesting
• 26:23
  that. Now, they've been going after
• 26:26
  him because Was. You know, back in the day, like
• 26:30
  Playboy used to be kind of an open forum for opinion that they
• 26:35
  used to have like the left, right?
• 26:37
  You know, debate in the magazine and I almost wonder if that's
• 26:41
  one of the reasons why they're going after him was because he
• 26:45
  was free speech. I don't know.
• 26:48
  My interpretation would most likely be toxic masculinity
• 26:52
  would be there. Would be their aim.
• 26:54
  Yeah. However it's interesting because
• 26:57
  him and And Larry Flynt not so much half, but I'm fairly
• 27:02
  certain, he was involved. They were instrumental in a lot
• 27:05
  of free speech battles in. Like I think the 60s 70s.
• 27:10
  Yeah. Supreme court stuff that
• 27:13
  basically changed the laws of the United States forever.
• 27:18
  You know, from these two guys who you know, do porn.
• 27:20
  So, yeah, that is interesting. I can't really weigh in on much
• 27:25
  more than that because I haven't seen the documentary and I
• 27:27
  don't, I don't really What about half?
• 27:29
  Except I just have an impression of, you know, his, you know,
• 27:31
  Playboy as it were lifestyle, but I II don't, I don't know.
• 27:36
  I mean, it's maybe they've got a point.
• 27:39
  I'd have to, I'd have to look into it more, you know, depends
• 27:43
  on his making it. I just, I, I just find it more
• 27:46
  interesting that like, okay, the man's been dead for five years
• 27:52
  at this point. Like okay, what?
• 27:54
  It's more of like why cans lent him now and that and that's what
• 27:59
  I find weird, like they're running out of people to cancel.
• 28:02
  So now they're, you know, now there Literally digging up
• 28:07
  corpses and that all that. It's, it's weird.
• 28:12
  Hmm. Yeah, I guess, I just know it
• 28:15
  surprises me anymore because I understand a lot of the aims of
• 28:20
  critical cynical critical theory is to basically undo and destroy
• 28:26
  everything that came before it no matter what it is.
• 28:29
  So it's kind of like they have to remake.
• 28:32
  Everything Playboy has been pretty well.
• 28:35
  Oak of late though, which is interesting.
• 28:37
  Yeah, ooh, like, they have like a trans man or I don't know what
• 28:43
  I'm supposed to say but it was a guy on the cover.
• 28:46
  Yeah. And that, you know, is like this
• 28:48
  is Playboy. This is a men's magazine who is
• 28:51
  that's not your target audience. So yeah, I don't know.
• 28:54
  I'm not sure where that's coming from at all, it's interesting.
• 28:57
  Yeah, it's yeah, it's it's, you know, follow the fall of the
• 29:02
  progressive some narrative at like, at all.
• 29:05
  Us, you know, and I mean, same thing with like maybe not quite
• 29:10
  in the same vein but like, you know, I've also heard you say on
• 29:14
  your podcast and this is awesome thing.
• 29:16
  I kind of wanted to talk to me about because when I turn it
• 29:18
  tune into the Vigilante you know the show that you and vigilante
• 29:22
  do and hardening, I can't remember.
• 29:23
  Remember the name culture crime fighter?
• 29:25
  Okay. Yeah.
• 29:26
  When I turn into culture crime, Fighters, you were talking out
• 29:30
  how like you don't watch TV anymore.
• 29:34
  Yeah, I find it challenging. Challenging or watch movies,
• 29:37
  even movies that you generally, like you don't really watch.
• 29:44
  You say, you find it, challenging can you kind of
• 29:46
  expand on that a bit? I guess I do, I think part of
• 29:50
  it's personal, you know. I think it's partially Just
• 29:54
  being personally turned off from Hollywood in general.
• 29:57
  And as far as just having like a bad impression of this system
• 30:01
  and the town and the people, and the ladders, you have to Cloud
• 30:05
  the whole thing. Just kind of has left a sour
• 30:08
  taste in my mouth, but beyond that, you know, I don't get it.
• 30:13
  I don't get enough. Olive branches from the
• 30:15
  creatives in Hollywood, to kind of leave and mentally, and open
• 30:20
  mind to people other than her in their little club.
• 30:23
  And so, when I'm Watching something I'm just like so these
• 30:25
  are the people that think I'm a toxic monster for disagreeing
• 30:29
  with their world view? It's like well why the hell am I
• 30:31
  going to watch what they put out like who cares?
• 30:34
  It's just fine. I find it like less interesting
• 30:36
  and just like I don't and then the fact that I'm even thinking
• 30:39
  about that while I'm consuming the content is draining and I
• 30:43
  just don't want to feel that way.
• 30:44
  I'm like I'm watching this for entertainment escapism.
• 30:47
  This is not doing it for me, so I'm going to put on a podcast of
• 30:51
  someone I like or I'm going to watch a play.
• 30:54
  Video game that I know will you know satisfy that escapism or
• 30:57
  yeah yeah so yeah I just find it kind of sort of draining so I
• 31:02
  can't. Why would I put myself through
• 31:03
  this? I mean I've I've it something
• 31:06
  you say that because I'm I'm more or less like on an 80s, you
• 31:12
  know, movie can I have him for like the past year and a half
• 31:15
  two years? Like, I've even been watching
• 31:18
  like B movies that were, I considered bad because even
• 31:22
  those are Good considered to the stuff that's out there now and I
• 31:28
  mean some of them maybe cheese is hell but it's it's better
• 31:33
  than being, you know, preached to every five minutes and you
• 31:39
  know, it's like you said, the I find the more often than not.
• 31:43
  The agenda takes me out of things as well.
• 31:48
  Yeah, it's boring. It's really just boring.
• 31:50
  Like, I've made a post about that, you know, years ago.
• 31:54
  And I said something like, I'd never would never turn on
• 31:57
  anything and hope that what I'm watching, reflects my values or
• 32:03
  my you know, or Maya politics, because that's propaganda, and
• 32:07
  that's boring. And it is it's as much as like I
• 32:11
  voted for Trump in 2020. So I did I say that?
• 32:15
  I need six. Yeah, I did in 2016.
• 32:17
  Because I did, I thought it was all a smokescreen.
• 32:19
  I thought it was all a fake psyop.
• 32:21
  I didn't believe in it at all but then I really thought he did
• 32:25
  a good job and I thought he deserved another crack at it,
• 32:29
  but how should I lost my point what?
• 32:33
  Well it's funny that you bring up front because like I voted
• 32:37
  for man, 2016. But I was kind of hesitant
• 32:40
  because You know, when I, when I was growing up, he was the guy
• 32:46
  who did The Apprentice. And so when, when he ran it
• 32:50
  first time, like this guy has has to be a joke.
• 32:54
  He's only doing this for publicity and whatnot, and I
• 32:59
  thought it was like the producers were there.
• 33:01
  Just trying to create the worst possible candidate that I get,
• 33:04
  you know, easily defeatable. Yeah, that actually backfire
• 33:08
  face. Anyway, I thought the same thing
• 33:11
  and then what From was, you know, as the campaign kind of
• 33:17
  progressed I'm like, I'm like, oh shit.
• 33:21
  This guy actually, you know, my have a shot and then you know
• 33:27
  and then when it came down to like between him and, you know,
• 33:32
  but when it came down between him and Hillary, I was like,
• 33:35
  okay well you know there's no way in hell.
• 33:37
  I'm voting for that bitch. Right?
• 33:39
  So, you know and I always You and I had said at the beginning
• 33:43
  of the, you know, primaries as in 2015, that I would vote for
• 33:50
  whoever was going to be, you know, regardless of who it was.
• 33:55
  They you know basically facing off against Hillary just because
• 33:58
  I find her a despicable human being, she's pretty real
• 34:03
  personally and like I will I would have voted for like an
• 34:07
  empty paint. Can a Madman if that had been
• 34:10
  the You know Contender but I think I think Trump your same
• 34:18
  thing about Trump. People say that Trump is you
• 34:21
  know the cause all the Strife but really I think it's always
• 34:24
  been there. He just kind of Unearthed a lot
• 34:27
  of it and exhumed and exposed what that wrought was and I'm
• 34:33
  not saying he's perfect but he he did a better job than I think
• 34:39
  a lot of people gave him credit for Yeah I think you're right I
• 34:44
  think he did a much better job than pretty much the entire
• 34:47
  mainstream. Media would be willing to admit
• 34:50
  as far as the Divide thing is concerned you could say he
• 34:55
  created The Divide but it's because the woke stuff he
• 35:00
  entertained absolutely none of it where every other president
• 35:04
  would at least kind of postulate and pretend and sort of you
• 35:07
  know, act as if they gave a shit.
• 35:09
  He just was real. Absolutely not.
• 35:12
  Refuse to give in any of it. And it was it was I think that's
• 35:16
  what infuriated them and that additionally, he wasn't an
• 35:19
  establishment guy. So he didn't have to go through
• 35:21
  all the BS that a traditional politician would have to go
• 35:25
  through, and he didn't suffer the media and they all just
• 35:28
  collectively were like, you're not allowed to do any of those
• 35:31
  things. So re re re we're going to freak
• 35:35
  out for the next four years and that's exactly what they did.
• 35:38
  Yeah. Well, the other thing that was
• 35:40
  weird to was So I was I was working for I wasn't working for
• 35:48
  like technically I wasn't getting paid but I was riding
• 35:50
  for a college Republican like blogging site and they went the
• 35:59
  never Trump route. You know, that that sucked and I
• 36:04
  and I along with a few other people were basically like well,
• 36:08
  You know, like yeah, I don't know.
• 36:11
  So like Trump's attitude but like, are you serious?
• 36:14
  If it can't, you know, if it comes down between like him and
• 36:18
  he'll are, like, you can't be serious, you're going to, you
• 36:20
  know, abstain or, you know, vote for holler, like, as opposed to
• 36:24
  him, like, like, why. And basically, I was asked to
• 36:29
  leave because of of that. So that actually drove me to
• 36:34
  like trumpy bit more because I'm like, okay well, you know, he's
• 36:38
  He is pissing off the Republicans to then, you know,
• 36:44
  there has to be something here. Yeah.
• 36:47
  So I think their campaign of hate, if you will all it did was
• 36:53
  polarize people against them whomever, whether it's
• 36:57
  Republicans or the left and just kind of made the Trump space
• 37:01
  even stronger and more resilient.
• 37:04
  And I don't think anyone expected that the thing with the
• 37:08
  told, Trump thing is that it was, it was so much propaganda
• 37:12
  against him from the start. I mean, I wasn't that into
• 37:15
  politics at the time but I remember the first thing I'd
• 37:18
  heard about Trump, while he was running is the first.
• 37:22
  I'd ever heard he was even running.
• 37:23
  Was this guy's the worst candidate ever.
• 37:26
  That was like, the first thing I heard, I didn't even know he was
• 37:29
  up for running for president. But the first information I got
• 37:32
  was that he's terrible and I'm like, when anyone leads with
• 37:36
  that kind of an opinion or like what I'm supposed to think.
• 37:38
  Before I've even had a chance to understand what it is.
• 37:41
  You're even talking about immediately suspicious.
• 37:45
  Yeah. And I mean and the fact that
• 37:48
  like, even during the primary election, like they, you know,
• 37:53
  the fact like they taste almost time going after him in
• 37:57
  particular. Like yeah, I get it.
• 38:00
  He's a bit of a cartoon character and you know what, not
• 38:04
  in some ways, but also, that's why, that's why you have to.
• 38:09
  That's why you have to love to love them too.
• 38:12
  Because it's like, if they're going to pick To pick.
• 38:15
  He'll write, you know who everyone has.
• 38:17
  Then we might as well pick, you know, trap be cut because it's
• 38:23
  just going to be the most absurd, you know, shit show.
• 38:27
  I'm an election. And it was.
• 38:29
  But you know and honestly I wasn't, I was, I was shocked
• 38:33
  that he won. I mean like I got up.
• 38:36
  Oh shocked. I got couldn't believe it.
• 38:40
  I got up on Election Day and and I was like, well, you know, this
• 38:46
  was a fun ride but you know they're gonna rig it and she's
• 38:51
  gonna win and you know, I guess I'm gonna have to pour myself a
• 38:57
  bottle of Maker's Mark and just you know go to bed sad and You
• 39:03
  know, and then and then when he won I remember like I stayed up
• 39:07
  to watch and when the when he won I was like holy fucking
• 39:13
  shit. Is this for real?
• 39:17
  I couldn't, I couldn't believe it.
• 39:21
  I don't. I never went to bed.
• 39:23
  I never went to bed that night. I believe I stayed up like 24
• 39:26
  hours straight. Just because I was like, I can't
• 39:29
  believe. I can't believe this is
• 39:31
  happening. Yeah, my thought was when he won
• 39:36
  was well, I guess anyone actually can be president.
• 39:39
  Yeah, I didn't believe that. And now it's true.
• 39:42
  This guy won. I was like, I was shocked.
• 39:45
  And I tell you, I didn't I didn't vote for him.
• 39:48
  I don't remember who I voted for.
• 39:49
  I voted for some third party like protest vote because I was
• 39:52
  just like, I don't, I don't believe in either one of these
• 39:54
  people. But the moment when I got
• 39:57
  excited, that Trump, one was when I opened up Facebook and
• 40:01
  all the people like in my Hollywood Community, who
• 40:04
  antagonized me for disagreeing with their ideas or, you know,
• 40:07
  had all these prejudices against me because I was a straight
• 40:10
  white male. And and you know, they were just
• 40:12
  generally hostile to any ideas that aren't Their own.
• 40:16
  They were all miserable and I was like, this is great.
• 40:21
  I love this. This is amazing.
• 40:24
  And it was like every like oh no I can't.
• 40:27
  Like what's the world? I was just like this is
• 40:30
  terrific. Like wow.
• 40:31
  I think I like this Trump Guy. This is great.
• 40:34
  Yeah, II had a. So it was funny because I
• 40:39
  actually have like a, I actually had like a second cousin, right?
• 40:44
  Me like a long. Us probably.
• 40:48
  I'm going to say like a page and a half roughly length.
• 40:53
  Facebook message. And keep in mind, like this is
• 40:57
  someone who I hadn't you, you know, like, I see her at Family
• 41:01
  reunions, maybe like every, you know, once every five years or
• 41:04
  something like that, like we're not super close or anything but
• 41:07
  she wrote me like a page and have what a basically saying
• 41:12
  that she was disowning me and she can't believe that me of all
• 41:15
  people. Could vote for such a, you know,
• 41:20
  a monster like Trump. And I'm like, well, you know,
• 41:23
  I'm a registered Republican. And so like, what?
• 41:30
  You know, why, why are you shocked?
• 41:32
  And, you know, and second of all high have high after five years,
• 41:38
  like, you know, we haven't we haven't spoken and now you're,
• 41:41
  you know, disowning and crying because You know, I'm because I
• 41:48
  voted for the orange bad man. Like, wow, you know, and then
• 41:53
  and then when Biden one, she liked, she dies, she dies.
• 41:57
  I mean, like tried to bring me back into the fold and I'm like,
• 41:59
  no, fuck you, you know, you you know, you made you this major
• 42:05
  decision. You should, it's like now that
• 42:08
  you got your way. Now we can be friends.
• 42:10
  Is that how it works? Like my character is a person is
• 42:14
  not important. Into you, is it?
• 42:16
  It's my politics. That's how you define your
• 42:18
  worldview. I lost a lot of friends.
• 42:20
  In l.a. one in particular who was I was really close with and
• 42:24
  him and his girlfriend man. They just got more and more woke
• 42:28
  and me having my own opinions of my own ideas became more and
• 42:31
  more of a problem. And I found one day, I was just
• 42:34
  like, dude, all they ever do is argue, that's like all I ever do
• 42:37
  is argue with you. Like I feel like you don't
• 42:41
  respect me feel like we're not friends.
• 42:44
  Like it's like this is the If you are taking this sort of
• 42:47
  political battle into our friendship, and making it about
• 42:51
  that, and it's really difficult to deal with.
• 42:54
  Like it's a very hard thing to deal and he just kind of, I
• 42:58
  don't know, it was all or nothing and it just so you know
• 43:01
  and ending our friendship and I really hurt it really sucks
• 43:03
  because he's a good friend, but they just became an
• 43:06
  insufferable. And it was the thing about
• 43:10
  because I would talk to my mom about this, right?
• 43:12
  I'd like, bitch and she'd be, like, just don't talk about.
• 43:14
  I'm like Don't ever bring it up. It's just, it was always just
• 43:19
  I'm assaulted with their opinion in their world view all the
• 43:22
  time. Yeah.
• 43:23
  Every every social circumstances in my acting classes at work,
• 43:27
  it's just it was a just a flood of their world view their
• 43:31
  information and it's like you you just feel stifled and you're
• 43:34
  drowning and it's like you just have to kind of push back just
• 43:37
  for your own sanity, but that was a problem they found I found
• 43:40
  one, I found one he doesn't, you know, he's which Burnham and so
• 43:45
  it Was it was you know it just became intolerable that I had to
• 43:48
  leave. I left went to Texas about a
• 43:51
  little less than a year ago and I've been here ever since.
• 43:54
  Oh, really. So you're so you're in?
• 43:56
  You're in Texas now. Hmm.
• 43:58
  Yeah, awesome. I it's funny because up until I
• 44:03
  was, I've been tired for graduating high school.
• 44:08
  I'm a Colorado Native. And then I moved to Florida with
• 44:11
  my folks. And at first, everyone was like,
• 44:15
  You know, why are you moving to Florida?
• 44:17
  There's nothing but like there's nothing but old people and
• 44:21
  beaches there. And you know people thought I
• 44:24
  was crazy and now, you know, with everything with with the
• 44:28
  kuf and you know what, not everyone's like Sam, you're a g,
• 44:34
  your Genius and you know it's I mean that whole thing is is
• 44:39
  weird too because I mean I mean, in regards to the whole, you
• 44:48
  know, thing with covid and whatnot to, and, you know, I'm
• 44:51
  I'm, I'm not spreading misinformation, I'm not saying
• 44:56
  whether or not, you should be, you know, backs or not YouTube.
• 44:59
  I'm not saying that any of that, but not a doctor.
• 45:03
  I'm not a doctor. We're not medical professionals,
• 45:05
  we're just two guys chatting on the internet, but I find the
• 45:12
  fact and Again, this goes back to Rogan.
• 45:17
  I find that I just just like having a conversation about not
• 45:21
  even the vaccine but the Mandate is what I have a problem with.
• 45:26
  And the fact that is considered controversial now is mine is
• 45:33
  mind-boggling. These are the same people who
• 45:36
  scream my body, my choice whenever it comes to abortion
• 45:40
  but yeah, you know when it comes to taking it back scene, You
• 45:46
  know, it's you must do or else you want Grandma to die.
• 45:50
  It's a very weird, you know, attitude to have aligned.
• 45:56
  I think it's collectivism versus individuality, I think is why
• 46:00
  they can be so hypocritical, because when it's the
• 46:05
  collective, even when they're saying my body, my choice,
• 46:08
  they're not even necessarily saying my body, they're saying
• 46:11
  my like, the women are bodies, their work.
• 46:14
  Will you can't tell us what to do.
• 46:16
  Do not necessarily me, and it's the same thing with.
• 46:18
  I think the whole cool thing it's like, it's not, it's like,
• 46:22
  oh, you're putting me at risk, you're putting my family.
• 46:25
  It's about, you know, you're supposed to do it for all of us.
• 46:28
  It's this collectivist thing. You're not really supposed to
• 46:31
  disagree or have your own ideas, your own opinions.
• 46:34
  That's that's dangerous, that's misinformation.
• 46:37
  So I think that's where they're, that's why they're so
• 46:41
  aggressively hypocritical, right?
• 46:43
  When they throw it out there like that, so that's blatantly.
• 46:46
  Against the principle, you hold super dear, but in this
• 46:49
  instance, that principle is gone.
• 46:51
  So, how can you stand there and rally these things?
• 46:56
  But, you know, I think it's because ultimately, it doesn't
• 46:59
  really, it's just the narrative, you know, the narrative, the
• 47:02
  same narrative was just a few years ago, pharmaceutical
• 47:05
  companies were the worst things on the planet.
• 47:09
  They were horrible. You know, they were creating
• 47:11
  overpriced drugs, you know, they have all these lawsuits their
• 47:14
  terrible. This is why we need.
• 47:15
  So Socialized medicine, blah, blah blah, fast.
• 47:17
  Forward. Now Pfizer is on par with like a
• 47:21
  Cancer Institute the they're just, they're just doing good
• 47:24
  work for the people. Yeah.
• 47:25
  Trying their best. It's like when the hell did you
• 47:28
  think that? Which is, which is funny because
• 47:31
  it because, again, like, Pharmaceuticals are something
• 47:35
  that like, you know, I guess like, I guess I would kind of
• 47:39
  consider myself somewhat more liberal when it comes to
• 47:41
  Pharmaceuticals, in the sense that like I do, lots of
• 47:44
  alternative. You know, medicine, like I'm
• 47:48
  more into that type of seven, you know, walk.
• 47:51
  I'm you know, obviously there's some, you know, there's some
• 47:56
  Effectiveness for, you know, traditional traditional medicine
• 47:59
  obviously, but you know, I'm into alternative medicine.
• 48:03
  And I think it's weird that the same people were questioning
• 48:06
  like, you said, big Pharma five years ago are now, you know,
• 48:10
  Vietnam or, you know saying You must get the jab, the other.
• 48:14
  The other thing too is When people ask, you know, why have
• 48:18
  why haven't you gotten vaccinated yet?
• 48:20
  The one thing I always refer back to is I had the flu vaccine
• 48:26
  when I was in high school like my junior and I got it was the
• 48:29
  only year I got the flu vaccine because I thought it would be.
• 48:33
  I thought it was like a particularly virulent flu strain
• 48:37
  that year. So I got it from you know safe I
• 48:40
  wound up getting the flu and like sick as a dog for like
• 48:45
  three weeks because About flu shot I think.
• 48:48
  And so ever since then I'm like you know I'm not doing that
• 48:51
  again. Doesn't mean it won't work for
• 48:53
  other people. I just find it doesn't work for
• 48:55
  me and so because of that I've been, you know, kind of
• 48:59
  Consciousness with the whole covid thing.
• 49:01
  But that doesn't mean that I don't think other people should
• 49:05
  be allowed to get if they you know want to and I Liberty.
• 49:10
  Yeah that's the Crux of the whole argument.
• 49:12
  I think like the Canadian trucker thing is a great example
• 49:15
  of that. That they, you know, they're all
• 49:17
  they're resisting there and Ottawa at the nation's capital
• 49:21
  and you know, and I think when they mobilized was when it
• 49:26
  became a mandate before that, you know, there was people that
• 49:30
  didn't like it, but there wasn't this sort of political action.
• 49:34
  And apparently, most of the members of that Convoy are
• 49:38
  vaccinated. They don't have a problem with
• 49:40
  the with the vaccination, they have a problem with the
• 49:43
  government overreach in the Mandate and that's where they
• 49:46
  drew. Line.
• 49:47
  And I think that's where a lot of people have an issue.
• 49:50
  You even people who got it there, like, okay, but you
• 49:51
  shouldn't Force other people to get it.
• 49:53
  Why would you force people to like?
• 49:55
  That's not, that's do. That's, that's not a freedom.
• 49:59
  You know, you've now made you've now are forcing someone to take
• 50:01
  a medication that's that's like Nuremberg stuff.
• 50:04
  Like what's, what is this? What's going on here?
• 50:07
  Yeah, and I mean and they're they're conveniently leaving the
• 50:12
  fact that all those truckers are are vaccinated.
• 50:15
  Dude, they're leaving that out in there and I've been making it
• 50:18
  seem like these are all anti-vaxxers that think that you
• 50:22
  know the vaccine is going to you know like that you're going to
• 50:26
  get like Phi, you know. And obviously I think some of
• 50:29
  the vaccine conspiracies are nuts to.
• 50:31
  I don't think, I don't think aliens are going to communicate
• 50:34
  with you if you get the vaccine, I don't think that, you know.
• 50:38
  I don't think I was like I don't definitely get it.
• 50:40
  I don't yeah, right with that I don't think I don't think that
• 50:44
  you're going to be able to pick up 5G signals although all that
• 50:49
  that would also improve my elbow if that were the case, that
• 50:52
  would actually be helpful because I don't get to good
• 50:56
  coverage, where I am so to have like 5 G in my arm that would be
• 51:02
  that would just be right. But you know 5G thing, that is
• 51:07
  the weirdest one. It was like, where the hell did
• 51:09
  that come from? Like, I never looked into it.
• 51:11
  I never read any q and on papers, but I just was like,
• 51:15
  what the heck? Why why that one?
• 51:19
  It was so out of nowhere. Well, so the Q&A on thing is
• 51:22
  weird because you have like the you act like the really weird
• 51:26
  lefties. Right?
• 51:27
  But then why, but then you have the human on people and so the
• 51:34
  Q&A on people they got a Old of the shows Gmail account and they
• 51:38
  just started. Emailing me like these random,
• 51:44
  you know, things like that JFK jr.
• 51:47
  You know, still alive and stuff like that.
• 51:49
  And, and I and I'm like, okay. Obviously, there are nuts on the
• 51:55
  left. Also, like how people are
• 51:58
  people? Honestly bun into the whole
• 52:01
  queue and on thing and yes I mean, you know.
• 52:07
  Yeah and obviously you know, that's what happened with
• 52:10
  January 6 and I I tell people but you know, I don't I don't
• 52:16
  agree with the cap with the cattle, right?
• 52:18
  And what it went down, but I understand why a lot of people
• 52:22
  were there to protest. You know, the Whatever the
• 52:24
  election. But you know, the people who
• 52:26
  stormed the capital like that was that was a group just like
• 52:30
  15 people who are just absolutely unhinged unhinged
• 52:35
  unhinged and arguably encouraged to do so.
• 52:39
  Yeah. They there's a video of the cops
• 52:42
  opening the gate and encouraging people through.
• 52:44
  I mean, there's the video of the shaman guy getting an actual
• 52:48
  tour where the guy that got like the guard or whomever, is
• 52:51
  explaining what the building is an All this stuff.
• 52:54
  Yeah, and one thing I heard today I was listening to James
• 52:59
  Lindsay on Rogan. I guess he was just on there
• 53:01
  like last week, apparently at the rally.
• 53:06
  Alex Jones. Was there encouraging people not
• 53:10
  to go in there saying right? Yeah don't fall for it and I
• 53:14
  never heard anyone. I've never heard anyone mention
• 53:16
  that until now and it's over a year later.
• 53:18
  I've never heard anyone say that one time, right after right.
• 53:21
  After the January 6th, Happened. I so so it was weird because
• 53:29
  with all January 6, thing when it was being planned, and I'm
• 53:33
  not saying this to be pompous, but I knew going into it that
• 53:37
  there was something I smelled something kind of fishy about
• 53:43
  it. I kind of figured that they were
• 53:45
  going to try something. So, you know, I put out a video
• 53:49
  and I told, you know, viewers don't go to the, don't go to
• 53:54
  this thing because it's not going.
• 53:58
  Like, I just have a funny feeling but it's not going to,
• 54:01
  you know, something's going to happen.
• 54:03
  It's going to be like Charlottesville all over again
• 54:07
  and you know, sure enough. You know, stuff they'd go down.
• 54:12
  What was interesting is did, they were saying that Alex
• 54:16
  Jones, you know, was one of the instigators but I, you know, I
• 54:20
  found video of Alex Jones also saying.
• 54:24
  This thing is, you know, could be a psyop.
• 54:27
  It, you know, it doesn't seem legit and then, he disavowed
• 54:32
  Kuhn on multiple times and also called out the Q and A on, you
• 54:37
  know, the shaman guy. And just about Hammond, you
• 54:41
  know, I put that up on my channel as well and you know,
• 54:45
  granted I think, I don't know what to think about, Alex Jones.
• 54:49
  I think that he's right on some stuff and I think that he's
• 54:53
  generally, he's just weird and entertaining.
• 54:57
  But I found, you know, the episode of Rogan talking a lot
• 55:02
  about Robin today, but the episode of road where he, where
• 55:04
  he's with him and Tim Dylan, Iran and Rogan is forcibly
• 55:09
  stopping. X to stop.
• 55:11
  Stop, what are you talking about?
• 55:13
  Let me look that up, because he would just, he was just
• 55:16
  barreling forward. And then the amount of things
• 55:19
  that Alex was referencing in like his, you know, tirade that
• 55:23
  had actually happened, that were accurate.
• 55:25
  I was like, wow, like I thought at best, he was kind of
• 55:30
  misinterpreting a lot of history or was, you know, kind of taking
• 55:34
  isolated incidences, but when I saw that, I was like, that's all
• 55:39
  those are all good. Horrible.
• 55:40
  And they're true. Wow, this guy is talking a lot
• 55:45
  more truth than I was even slightly willing to what's the
• 55:50
  word like, I was just surprised how accurate it was like.
• 55:52
  Whoa, that's not what I expected.
• 55:54
  Yeah. And it's funny because you know,
• 55:57
  again talking about Rogan, I used to think that I used to
• 56:01
  think the Alex Jones was, you know, simply a quack.
• 56:05
  And then the first time in one Rogan's podcast, I I think in
• 56:10
  like 2015 when he was talking like interdimensional child
• 56:16
  child molester demons or something like that, I mean the
• 56:19
  guy does have comedic shots whether or not those are
• 56:23
  intentional or not, you know, but I'm like, oh yeah, okay, to
• 56:27
  have Rogan sit down in, you know, talk talk with the sky
• 56:31
  about his background and understand where he's at least
• 56:34
  coming from like this. Is that type of stuff that I can
• 56:38
  get behind and yeah, same. And also you know, Adam Adam
• 56:42
  Carolla. Does this does the same thing
• 56:45
  to, you know, I'm I'm also a big fan of, you know, Adam Carolla
• 56:49
  and I'm He doesn't. I mean obviously it's funny
• 56:55
  because when I first started listening to podcast like way
• 57:00
  back in high school he was calling the number one and then
• 57:03
  rowing took the spot fairly quickly.
• 57:06
  And you know, II told someone the other day like going going
• 57:11
  back to the whole, you know, Rogan conversely.
• 57:13
  Like I don't know, one Rogan would just be on like a webcam
• 57:18
  with it with like Brian Redman and his buddies and just talk
• 57:21
  like You're talking like, dildos and sucks.
• 57:24
  Joe? What not like that's what
• 57:27
  podcasting was back in the back in the day.
• 57:31
  Yeah. And so you know, that's the
• 57:33
  other thing like this whole thing of like Rogan's erases.
• 57:36
  No, he's not. He's a, you know, he took meted
• 57:39
  and you know, some, you know, some jokes are funny and, you
• 57:45
  know, in context or out of context.
• 57:48
  Even? Yeah.
• 57:49
  I know it's he's always been a funny guy.
• 57:51
  I think You know, over the years, he he changed but like
• 57:56
  what he does on the show was a little less focus on just
• 57:59
  dicking around with his friends. He still does do that, you know,
• 58:02
  he still have like three comics on and just get drunk and high
• 58:06
  and mess around. And that's really, you know,
• 58:09
  that's entertaining to with then he'll have these
• 58:11
  extraordinarily, pensive conversations.
• 58:13
  I think Rogan is really responsible for this rise of the
• 58:18
  sort of intellectual like Renaissance, we're having,
• 58:21
  right? Right.
• 58:22
  Now, with all these unique voices out there and people who
• 58:25
  are articulating against this, this, you know, sort of the
• 58:29
  critical theory thing and the sort of overreach of government
• 58:33
  because before that I didn't know of anyone like, like Jordan
• 58:37
  Pederson or Brett Weinstein. I've never heard of these guys
• 58:40
  before and I don't know how I would have without him, but you
• 58:44
  find this guy, you find this guy Jordan Pederson.
• 58:46
  With their Scotto, weird Canadian voice and he just like,
• 58:50
  is blowing my mind. I'm like, that's exactly what
• 58:53
  I'm seeing. I didn't know that but that's
• 58:55
  your what you're saying is accurate.
• 58:57
  And it was like, wow, it's like a breath of fresh air and and
• 59:01
  you know, I think it, I couldn't have been the only one so I
• 59:04
  imagine that that contributed to this sort of blossoming of all
• 59:08
  these new. Like these dis new intellectual
• 59:11
  internet Renaissance that we're going through right now and I
• 59:14
  think it's like he's directly responsible and I think that
• 59:16
  that's a good thing and he's a good broadcaster because of
• 59:20
  that. Well, Well and you know, I think
• 59:24
  the other thing too is you know, like he he references you know
• 59:30
  like Howard Stern being one of his you know influences and you
• 59:34
  know, Howard Stern. Basically you know, recently
• 59:36
  Canton said, fuck you. And and then had the audacity to
• 59:40
  say, I'm still the king of all media and it's like and it's
• 59:45
  like no one under 45 wasn't And I mean generous with that be
• 59:55
  like no like no one. I know was instead to Howard the
• 59:59
  last time. I don't know anybody.
• 1:00:02
  Yeah. The last time I remember Howard
• 1:00:03
  streaming relevant is when he had, you know, Jenna Jameson on
• 1:00:07
  or something that was like 20 years ago.
• 1:00:11
  Our you know, something like no one, no one knows whose storm
• 1:00:17
  it. This he hasn't been relevant for
• 1:00:19
  years. I remember listening to Opie and
• 1:00:20
  Anthony years back. Back.
• 1:00:22
  This was a while ago. It was like 10 or so years ago,
• 1:00:25
  excuse me, they play they played a clip of him on his show like
• 1:00:31
  adopting puppies or something like he was running like a puppy
• 1:00:35
  adoption thing and you just like what?
• 1:00:38
  Like, this is, Howard Stern. Like this controversial edgy
• 1:00:42
  guy, you know, this shock jock, king of all media guy is like,
• 1:00:46
  yeah, we got a lot of good cats and puppies here and it's like
• 1:00:50
  that has its place I Know if it's the Howard Stern Show
• 1:00:53
  though. You like what?
• 1:00:56
  Wellman for a while? Well, granted like I you know
• 1:01:00
  people say oh well how about Howard Stern?
• 1:01:02
  Broke down barriers? Okay.
• 1:01:05
  Like I can appreciate that, like, from a historical
• 1:01:09
  perspective as someone who's into broadcasting history and
• 1:01:12
  whatnot but like, you know, so did Rush Limbaugh.
• 1:01:15
  So did, you know, opening it? Oh, being Anthony?
• 1:01:19
  And, you know, I undertook line everyone Some 20 banana much.
• 1:01:23
  But I do subscribe to, you know, compound media.
• 1:01:27
  Oh, really? I, I still think You know, I
• 1:01:31
  don't think Anthony who me is as edgy as he used to be partially
• 1:01:35
  partially because everything is behind a pay wall and also maybe
• 1:01:40
  it's because my humor is so dark.
• 1:01:42
  And so, you know, like I've just been numbed to, you know, a lot
• 1:01:47
  of the shock shock things. Now that I'm just kind of like
• 1:01:51
  yeah, you know, like like you said nothing, nothing shocks me
• 1:01:56
  anymore. So yeah, I'm a big fan of
• 1:01:59
  Anthony. I'm Subscriber of compound
• 1:02:01
  media. Right now.
• 1:02:02
  I have been in the past but I just I just don't have the time
• 1:02:06
  to dedicate to. There's Something Different.
• 1:02:07
  Yeah, I just don't but I kind of know what you mean about
• 1:02:11
  Anthony. Like I saw Anthony still think
• 1:02:13
  Anthony is a very funny guy. However I just think he was much
• 1:02:17
  better with Jim Norton. You know, the other comedian
• 1:02:20
  that he was, oh, yeah, I yeah, I know.
• 1:02:23
  Yeah, I know. Jim Norton is a Jim horn as a,
• 1:02:27
  is an odd guy. I don't really his sense of
• 1:02:31
  humor is I don't really want to say, I don't like, I just don't,
• 1:02:36
  it's not my cup of cup of tea. Like yeah, well I'll die,
• 1:02:40
  although I, you know, the fact that he still possesses so many
• 1:02:44
  people off with his humor. I do.
• 1:02:47
  I do kind of like that it he's just out.
• 1:02:49
  They're still like traveling here.
• 1:02:52
  Yeah, and I do find his chip, chip, or some character to be to
• 1:02:57
  be funny Chiba. So in fact, it's funny I
• 1:03:02
  mentioned, you know, Dennis Miller.
• 1:03:05
  I know someone who used to work for Dennis Moore who also knows
• 1:03:12
  who also knows Jim North. I really I don't I don't know if
• 1:03:15
  he knows well but Yeah. So I mean that whole thing is
• 1:03:21
  interesting with kind of comedians being the, the
• 1:03:24
  Arbiters of kind of, you know, defending the culture.
• 1:03:28
  Now, it's who I find. It's interesting because I don't
• 1:03:31
  think that's an incredibly new phenomenon because you had like
• 1:03:35
  Carlin guys, right? Like in the 80s who were Bill
• 1:03:39
  Hicks, you know, who are saying these critical things about
• 1:03:42
  society that you weren't hearing anywhere else, that were clearly
• 1:03:46
  well-thought-out, they very insightful.
• 1:03:48
  Then funny. You know, it's, there's people
• 1:03:51
  out there who are very smart and very sharp and insightful, but
• 1:03:55
  when they're on their own, it's just kind of like, you feel like
• 1:03:58
  you're in a college lecture, you just like, okay, like this is
• 1:04:00
  interesting, but it's boring. Whereas, when a comedian can
• 1:04:05
  really capture something like that, they have this
• 1:04:07
  entertainment Instinct, they know how to keep a crowd
• 1:04:10
  engaged. So when they're making a point,
• 1:04:14
  they usually do it very elegantly and very concise
• 1:04:18
  nicely and an entertaining matter.
• 1:04:20
  So I think it's a weird, it's a weird phenomenon, but a lot of
• 1:04:24
  comedians I think. I've kind of been lightning
• 1:04:26
  rods. Excuse me for promoting, like,
• 1:04:28
  for really advancing the cultural conversation and I
• 1:04:33
  think that's, that's a great outlet.
• 1:04:34
  But a good Outlet is any I I think it's a good Outlet.
• 1:04:39
  My one concern now though, kind of with Connie has you know and
• 1:04:43
  again going back to the whole thing with Rogan Is now we're
• 1:04:48
  starting to see you know, Rogan getting timed out down a bit and
• 1:04:53
  I'm, you know, I'm I'm I'm almost wondering like, you know,
• 1:04:58
  will more comedians, you know, like start to start to
• 1:05:04
  self-censor and I hope they don't.
• 1:05:07
  I really it's possible but controversy sells, you know, it
• 1:05:14
  is, it is a risk. You run a risk of People digging
• 1:05:18
  into your past or dig it into like all your podcasts and
• 1:05:21
  trying to take your career away from you.
• 1:05:23
  But I don't know. I see a lot more.
• 1:05:28
  I think, what's the market is? Buying is more honesty and more
• 1:05:33
  personal insight and personal opinion on what the cultural
• 1:05:38
  what's going on in culture right now than the kind of just
• 1:05:41
  regurgitating woke the standpoints.
• 1:05:43
  I don't think anyone, I don't think people are buying that
• 1:05:45
  anymore. Like, like, the Trevor Noah's.
• 1:05:47
  Like, if Trevor Noah, wasn't entrenched in an institution, I
• 1:05:51
  don't think he'd be irrelevant voice.
• 1:05:53
  Because he just says, what you're supposed to say.
• 1:05:55
  And I don't worry, I don't think he even is Roll that what I
• 1:05:58
  mean? Like, like you said, I, you
• 1:06:00
  know, you don't watch movies. I don't, you know, I don't want
• 1:06:04
  to watch, you know, that many current movies I was say, I was
• 1:06:09
  say, I did go and see the latest Spider-Man movie.
• 1:06:13
  And I actually enjoyed that strictly, because it was a
• 1:06:17
  Nostalgia and also, because they didn't really push anything,
• 1:06:20
  which for a Marvel movie. You know is actually kind of
• 1:06:24
  surprisingly nice. Now, I find you don't even like
• 1:06:30
  that even even the James Bond movie like I actually - the
• 1:06:34
  ending I enjoyed. I enjoyed that just has a bond
• 1:06:37
  you know fan and you know there if they if they fuck with that
• 1:06:43
  franchise too much then you know it all it's all going to come
• 1:06:47
  crumbling down. Yeah I my opinion I would just
• 1:06:52
  kind of Advise. I don't advise but I I don't go
• 1:06:59
  ahead. I just I don't think anything's
• 1:07:02
  sacred or safe. So I wouldn't yeah like abandon
• 1:07:05
  hope because it's like like you can check it out and see but I'm
• 1:07:10
  not saying go in cynically but I just like don't expect anyone
• 1:07:14
  who works there to protect your thing if they do Miracle but I
• 1:07:18
  think it's a much wiser point of view to be like yeah.
• 1:07:20
  This is probably going to be trash because at this point I
• 1:07:24
  think the onus is on them to prove us wrong.
• 1:07:26
  Instead of the other way around. Well and it well and then the
• 1:07:30
  other are going to hear is oh you just you know you just want
• 1:07:34
  like you just want like right wing you know, versions of
• 1:07:39
  something. It's like it's like no I just
• 1:07:42
  want to go back to like I just want to go back to the 1980
• 1:07:46
  where like you know, you could just, you know, dive into
• 1:07:50
  Nostalgia and like, you know, Like just Escape for like two
• 1:07:55
  hours or something and just, yeah, I think that was the
• 1:07:58
  point. I was going to try to make
• 1:08:00
  earlier than when I lost it. I is that I don't want anyone's
• 1:08:05
  politics reflected in a piece of entertainment.
• 1:08:07
  That's not why I'm interested that I like I don't want any
• 1:08:11
  kind of propaganda. I don't want right wing.
• 1:08:13
  I don't want left wing. I don't want it.
• 1:08:14
  I don't want that in there. Like, you could have virtues and
• 1:08:18
  principles and values, that's fine.
• 1:08:19
  But when you start, you know, forcing like Modern lens.
• 1:08:23
  Like, that's just like what you're supposed to this issue.
• 1:08:26
  It's just like, man, that's got no place entertainment.
• 1:08:30
  It's not, it's not why we're there to get a lecture you know
• 1:08:34
  like go lecture and then offer people to come.
• 1:08:37
  See that. But don't hide your lecture
• 1:08:39
  inside this slick look and movie.
• 1:08:41
  It's like, that's yeah, boring. And I don't want that.
• 1:08:45
  Well, I think the other thing too, that's very telling us this
• 1:08:48
  whole thing with like that happened with g, E4.
• 1:08:53
  And I'm not really that much of a gamer anymore.
• 1:08:55
  But I do remember, you know, when when G4TV was a thing, back
• 1:09:01
  back in the day and the fact, like they rebooted in the first
• 1:09:05
  thing that happens is, you know, about, Frost glider, whatever
• 1:09:10
  she's named doing the whole. And, you know, and you guys, you
• 1:09:17
  know, I see you guys out there. I'm not here for you to jerk off
• 1:09:21
  to it's like, you know, What it's like, where did that?
• 1:09:26
  Where did that come from? You know, come from.
• 1:09:28
  Like I almost wonder if that whole thing was a publicity
• 1:09:32
  stunt part, I think. Is it part of me thinks it has
• 1:09:35
  to be because It's just like, why would you even say something
• 1:09:42
  that asinine? But then again, it is how I
• 1:09:46
  would. So, I don't know.
• 1:09:49
  Yeah, well, what I found I think.
• 1:09:54
  During my time in Hollywood. I think a lot of people, I think
• 1:09:58
  parts of the part of the reason why you know, the Trump thing
• 1:10:01
  took everyone for such a such a loop was that a lot of people,
• 1:10:06
  you know, in certain these fears they don't even, they can't
• 1:10:10
  conceive that people have different ideas and and if they
• 1:10:15
  do their profane, they're they're dirty, they're unclean,
• 1:10:19
  they're bad, right? So when someone like this goes
• 1:10:23
  into, Was Fear like G4. She's on the she's of the
• 1:10:27
  opinion that everyone who works there at everyone.
• 1:10:29
  In the audience is like gonna be with her, because it's like
• 1:10:33
  everyone in her life is, you know, all our agents, her
• 1:10:36
  friends, her family, they all work, well, but they all
• 1:10:38
  regurgitate the same nonsense to one another.
• 1:10:40
  They live in this Echo chamber and then when she goes into this
• 1:10:45
  sphere, she assumes what she's going to be said, is going to be
• 1:10:48
  like, like it was in the studio where they clap, but she didn't
• 1:10:51
  realize that the audience I think she overestimated how much
• 1:10:55
  of the audience was going to be completely turned off by
• 1:10:57
  everything, she said, well and I think I think the other thing
• 1:11:02
  was was she, you know, she was addressing, you know, the
• 1:11:06
  YouTube chat to, you know, we're just like generalizing YouTube
• 1:11:10
  version. The one thing that you, you
• 1:11:14
  know, if there's anything I've learned, you know, in my time on
• 1:11:17
  the Internet, it's don't it's don't feed the trolls.
• 1:11:20
  I mean, there's a there's a hole.
• 1:11:23
  Don't even like whole subculture, you know, with with
• 1:11:26
  YouTube regarding that, especially if you get into like
• 1:11:29
  the, you know, the mr. Medic.
• 1:11:31
  Her type characters or, you know, things like that.
• 1:11:35
  That's you know, corporate media just doesn't know how to I
• 1:11:39
  guess. Respond to that type of thing
• 1:11:43
  anymore. Yeah, and if you know, if you're
• 1:11:46
  like the job of a of a trained critical theorist is to change
• 1:11:52
  the world, everywhere you go. Go.
• 1:11:53
  You know, that's why it's everywhere because it's like
• 1:11:55
  when they send you off in the world, now you're on this
• 1:11:58
  mission to remake the world in our image.
• 1:12:00
  That's your that's your goals. What you have to do.
• 1:12:02
  So when she I think that's what she's set off to do.
• 1:12:07
  That's her job like she's not going to miss an opportunity to
• 1:12:10
  correct a group full of men who you know, had the audacity to
• 1:12:14
  say something sexual out loud or even in a YouTube chat, you
• 1:12:18
  know, and I have no idea what was said, I'm sure it was
• 1:12:22
  probably you know, probably Callus stuff probably mostly
• 1:12:24
  just a good. This chick isn't sexy because
• 1:12:27
  she made a point about saying on the Brad Pitt of lesbians.
• 1:12:32
  That's something she said about herself which is just like Brad
• 1:12:37
  Pitt. Wouldn't say that about
• 1:12:38
  yourself. The funny thing about that too
• 1:12:42
  is like I actually I actually no actually no some lesbians.
• 1:12:47
  I'm like so I take is one of them and I like you know, hey
• 1:12:52
  well I guess Do you think, do you think and do you think that
• 1:12:55
  this, you know, woman is attractive and she's like oh
• 1:12:58
  she's like oh God. Oh God.
• 1:13:01
  No. So I mean like yeah it's just
• 1:13:06
  maybe like You know, maybe like, maybe like Butch let was beings
• 1:13:11
  but like, you know, just like, but like I know, like, I know
• 1:13:15
  people that are, you know, even in that, you know, I'm putting
• 1:13:19
  in parentheses like, in that group.
• 1:13:22
  So to speak that, we're like, What like why are you dragging?
• 1:13:25
  Me means of this whole whole thing.
• 1:13:28
  It, you know, it's and like it's not like the thing is like she's
• 1:13:32
  not. She's not really that
• 1:13:34
  attractive, but the thing is she wasn't dressed.
• 1:13:38
  Like she was trying to be. She had like a big hoodie on and
• 1:13:41
  like her neck was covered. Like she look like she was
• 1:13:43
  dressed like a dude. So when people say you're not
• 1:13:46
  attractive, why do you care? You're not even trying to be
• 1:13:49
  attractive. Who gives a shit?
• 1:13:52
  Well, Sid what it? Why do you take that?
• 1:13:54
  So personally yyy-yes obviously not part of your identity.
• 1:13:57
  So what's the big deal? Yeah, it's it.
• 1:14:00
  Well it's like same thing with me like I'm in a wheelchair and
• 1:14:05
  you know the left is one of two thing things from the right, you
• 1:14:09
  know, these critical therapy play, they either go, you know,
• 1:14:12
  you're in a wheelchair and I feel I feel sorry for you or you
• 1:14:16
  know that use like the stain playing.
• 1:14:17
  I like I'm like oh I'm like, I'm like, okay.
• 1:14:24
  So what you're saying, you're in a wheelchair?
• 1:14:26
  I didn't know that. Yeah, I mean, I, you know, I
• 1:14:29
  don't bring it up too much, but, you know, because it's not, it's
• 1:14:33
  not that big of a deal to me, but yeah, I have cerebral palsy
• 1:14:38
  and you know, it's just, it's just a thing.
• 1:14:41
  It's not my identity which is, I was just going to ask you about
• 1:14:45
  that. What's your thoughts on ableism
• 1:14:47
  studies? Oh God.
• 1:14:50
  Yeah, the the ableism shit. It is, it's funny because this
• 1:14:58
  whole thing with like being differently, abled, that's their
• 1:15:01
  new term, like you're not disabled your differently abled.
• 1:15:05
  And I'm like, okay well, what does that mean?
• 1:15:08
  Because we all have we all have different abilities.
• 1:15:12
  If you think about like I can't do like I can't draw for shit.
• 1:15:20
  But evil Eric, one of my mods using the chat is a terrific
• 1:15:23
  artist. He's one of the, yeah, he'll
• 1:15:25
  able Eric. He's the one who did the logo
• 1:15:29
  for the show. So you know that's an ability of
• 1:15:32
  it. He has the I don't, I can I can
• 1:15:35
  do really good audio and video production, you know, some
• 1:15:39
  people can't do that. You know, we all have different
• 1:15:43
  abilities and whatnot but you know what I have is clearly a
• 1:15:48
  disability physical. Lee, I need help with that.
• 1:15:51
  I have no, I have no shame in saying that.
• 1:15:54
  But to say that, you know, me being disabled or me being
• 1:15:57
  crippled, I use that word. A lot to the say that, you know,
• 1:16:01
  that bad or I use that word, it's like okay, fuck you you're
• 1:16:07
  not me first off and be it's like, why are you getting
• 1:16:11
  offended? Why are you getting more
• 1:16:14
  offended at my situation? Then I am It's interesting and
• 1:16:22
  that's what yeah, that's like another that's like a whole
• 1:16:24
  nother thing. Like, you know, the whole, the
• 1:16:27
  whole critical theory thing like I said, I don't bring up a lot,
• 1:16:30
  but whenever I, but whenever I do bring it up, it confuses the,
• 1:16:35
  the woke people, a lot trips him up because it's like, well, here
• 1:16:38
  I am. I'm a guy in a wheelchair and I
• 1:16:40
  vote of trump. It's like, they don't know what
• 1:16:42
  to do, dude. That's it was interesting angle,
• 1:16:44
  man. I don't know if you have.
• 1:16:47
  I haven't gone over all your channel but But you addressing
• 1:16:51
  ableism studies. I think it's got the potential
• 1:16:53
  to get a lot of views because it's very interesting angle here
• 1:16:56
  in hearing it from you. Yeah I'm I am going to address
• 1:17:00
  it more. I haven't part of the thing with
• 1:17:02
  the whole ableism thing is I haven't read I haven't read a
• 1:17:05
  lot of it, just because I think I think I would either need like
• 1:17:10
  I think I would either need it need a loaded gun or a lot of
• 1:17:13
  whiskey in order to read through some of the stuff I have read
• 1:17:17
  through is just like Comedic late bad?
• 1:17:21
  Yeah, yeah, it's horrible. I have a, I have a friend who
• 1:17:25
  went to Penn State and I actually wanted to him on the
• 1:17:29
  show because he isn't it. He's a guy who's able bodied but
• 1:17:32
  he was required to take one of those disability awareness
• 1:17:38
  classes. And so I'm gonna have a monsoon
• 1:17:42
  and just like pick his brain. Like okay.
• 1:17:44
  So what did they what did they teach you?
• 1:17:47
  Like, what was that whole thing like especially at Penn State
• 1:17:50
  where it's you know, Roy big and it's a major university because
• 1:17:55
  like, you know, I've lived, you know, with the disability but
• 1:17:59
  I'm not I've never studied it like a can like academically
• 1:18:04
  Quantico side. I have no idea what they're what
• 1:18:07
  they're saying. There's a great chapter in
• 1:18:10
  Senegal theories About that. Because that was really the
• 1:18:13
  first. I'd ever gotten to understand it
• 1:18:16
  so because I don't know if you're aware of this but like
• 1:18:18
  there's kind of like this Tick Tock Trend where people sort of
• 1:18:22
  invent having like a disability or they lean into some kind of
• 1:18:25
  quirky. Yeah, so you've seen some of
• 1:18:28
  that and I after reading that book I was like, oh that's
• 1:18:32
  probably a symptom of these ableism thing because it's what
• 1:18:37
  they do is they sort of fold it into intersectional ISM right
• 1:18:40
  where Like the amount of reasons your, the matter of
• 1:18:43
  characteristics, you have that are not, you know, the
• 1:18:47
  foundational one, which is, you know, straight white Christian
• 1:18:50
  men. The amount of those is the
• 1:18:52
  amount of Oppression you face in your life.
• 1:18:55
  So, do you have more Social Power and their new hierarchy,
• 1:18:58
  right? So they started to make that
• 1:19:01
  able as one of them. Yeah, I bad thing.
• 1:19:05
  Yeah, I understand, yeah, I understand that aspect of the
• 1:19:09
  whole, you know? Critical theory thing like the
• 1:19:13
  more the more boxes you check the more I press and it's funny
• 1:19:19
  because like my mama always says well well thank you.
• 1:19:22
  Well thank God, you're handicapped.
• 1:19:23
  Because if you were like completely animals completely,
• 1:19:27
  you know, white and you're straight, you know, you'd be,
• 1:19:30
  you'd be fucking it's like, well I only I'm only one out of
• 1:19:34
  those, one of those categories. So what's your Republic?
• 1:19:38
  And I think that brings you right back.
• 1:19:39
  Yeah, I'm Yeah, I'm still I'm a I'm a Republican and I also like
• 1:19:46
  I have an app I have an after show called the tip Field Report
• 1:19:49
  to I like I like big tits. So you know I'm also a
• 1:19:54
  misogynist on top of. Oh yeah that's it.
• 1:19:57
  You're done. Everything else.
• 1:19:59
  Oh yeah. But yeah this this whole thing
• 1:20:03
  with, you know, identity politics is just absurd.
• 1:20:07
  And you know like I find that you know like with the whole
• 1:20:15
  thing with like comic books and whatnot like that whole thing
• 1:20:17
  has gotten corrupted to which I didn't think it would and
• 1:20:20
  Ashley, but it's a hobby me, you know, it's a relatively obscure
• 1:20:26
  hobby, I mean, it was a pretty big industry but, you know, just
• 1:20:29
  the books themselves like I don't know how many people like
• 1:20:34
  in my personal life that I don't know, from YouTube, actively,
• 1:20:37
  read Comics, I can't even maybe one I could think of one friend
• 1:20:40
  who does. Other than that, I don't really
• 1:20:43
  know anybody but the fact that it got infiltrated so
• 1:20:46
  aggressively and basically the entire industry became you know
• 1:20:51
  woke talking points. It's it's really it's shocking.
• 1:20:56
  Like when I got into this YouTube thing like I knew movies
• 1:20:59
  and stuff had already gotten there, but hearing from Gary and
• 1:21:02
  all these in comics division in these guys talk about the
• 1:21:05
  corruption of the comic energy that blew my mind.
• 1:21:08
  I had no idea that was going on. Yeah.
• 1:21:12
  Yeah, I had I had collected Comics up and really up until I
• 1:21:16
  was in the high school and then I and then I just ran out of
• 1:21:19
  space. Basically, you know, for all the
• 1:21:22
  car, a lot of them are actually. I don't know if you can see in
• 1:21:26
  my friend, a lot of them are kind of in the background.
• 1:21:30
  Yeah, yeah. But like but yeah, by my
• 1:21:32
  bookshelf. Those are you know though a lot
• 1:21:35
  of those are, you know, novels and then just grab novels and
• 1:21:39
  Comics kind of there, but cool. Yeah.
• 1:21:42
  So I mean, I stopped it's kind of interesting because around
• 1:21:46
  hon, I stopped collecting was around the time that everything
• 1:21:50
  started to change, you know, in the comic book industry itself
• 1:21:55
  and I know, and I know that there's gamergate and I know
• 1:21:59
  there that there was also Comics gay as well.
• 1:22:03
  But it's, You know, it's it's it's interesting to say the
• 1:22:09
  least, I'm looking at JP Santi calling me a nerd.
• 1:22:13
  Roddick simp. Yes, very much so II seem hard
• 1:22:17
  for Gary. He's been on my channel.
• 1:22:19
  Yeah, I'm Ivy Ivan. Yeah, I've been called a, I've
• 1:22:23
  been called a nerd roddick's, him as well.
• 1:22:27
  It is what it is. I love the guy.
• 1:22:29
  He, I went out to the Meetup in Vegas and, you know, I he's
• 1:22:34
  great, he's a great guy. I mean, I'm a huge fan of the
• 1:22:36
  guy I love is I love his content.
• 1:22:38
  I think he's a good person and I, you know, he's done a lot for
• 1:22:41
  me personally, on the channel just coming by last year, to
• 1:22:45
  talk about the expanse this year, to talk about the expanse.
• 1:22:47
  And one time on the culture crime fighter's, and all those
• 1:22:50
  are incredibly. Well, watched videos for me and
• 1:22:53
  got my subscribers way up. And, furthermore, I had a video
• 1:22:57
  go viral last year, I guess I was earlier this year.
• 1:23:00
  No, yeah, it was 20 21. It was about the Bill Bird Gina
• 1:23:05
  Carano. Nah, nothing.
• 1:23:06
  Do you remember that whole controversy?
• 1:23:08
  I remember, I remember the whole thing with, I remember I
• 1:23:14
  remember when Gina got canceled herself but but oh, was it was
• 1:23:20
  that when they took down like Bill Burrs at action figure or
• 1:23:23
  something? Because, he stood for Gina, I
• 1:23:26
  don't remember no swell the for what happened with me was.
• 1:23:30
  So after Gina Carano got fired from from the Mandalorian, you
• 1:23:34
  know, people were wondering. Gwen is Bill Burr or any of
• 1:23:37
  these people from the show, going to come out and say
• 1:23:39
  anything and we didn't hear anything.
• 1:23:41
  And one night, I was listening to this podcast, the bill Bert
• 1:23:44
  podcast and it was Bill Burr, and Bert Kreischer.
• 1:23:47
  And I was listening to it. And all the sudden I hear them
• 1:23:50
  talking about this, this this thing where like birds
• 1:23:53
  essentially addressing it and I'm like, I don't think anyone
• 1:23:56
  knows that he's talked about this.
• 1:23:58
  So I just quickly cut up a video, it's about 10 or 12
• 1:24:01
  minutes long and I put it out. And it did pretty well.
• 1:24:06
  Initially it got like two thousand or so views, 3,000 or
• 1:24:09
  so views over the weekend which was like great for me.
• 1:24:13
  But then Monday night, I guess what happened was the video.
• 1:24:19
  I think what happened was the video got saw by somebody who
• 1:24:22
  was a fan of Midnight's Edge and then they told Midnight's Edge.
• 1:24:27
  What was reported? And then they put out a video
• 1:24:30
  explaining Bill Burrs response to the whole thing and that
• 1:24:34
  video I went you know, Through the roof like 400,000 views or
• 1:24:37
  something like that. And meanwhile, I'm sitting here,
• 1:24:40
  like I kind of broke that story on Friday.
• 1:24:43
  It's Sunday, I'm not getting any credit and for this A Channel Of
• 1:24:46
  My Size, it would have been really nice to have gotten
• 1:24:49
  Credit. Now meanwhile the video started
• 1:24:52
  to do really well might like it now sits at something like a
• 1:24:54
  hundred and thirty-five thousand views but it wasn't doing that
• 1:24:59
  great. And Gary from nerd, Roddick took
• 1:25:01
  it upon himself twice once on the nooner.
• 1:25:05
  To mention that I was the one who put the story out first and
• 1:25:08
  then again on Friday Night Tykes when there was something like
• 1:25:11
  8,000 people watching and when he mentioned that that's an all
• 1:25:15
  these people to my channel and it put me over 1,000 and got me
• 1:25:17
  monetize. So yes JP Santi.
• 1:25:20
  I am neurotic simply because he has been a saint to me.
• 1:25:24
  Love that guy. Yeah, well JP Sandy is is one of
• 1:25:29
  our lovable trolls that we have here you are because under
• 1:25:32
  multiple accounts and But, you know, you had, you have five
• 1:25:37
  accounts so that's five more viewers for me.
• 1:25:40
  So hey, so thank you. Thanks for the traction JP.
• 1:25:44
  But yeah, that's the other thing I wanted to ask, ask you about
• 1:25:50
  is as as a YouTuber, I find this whole thing with the way YouTube
• 1:25:58
  is set up. I've got to say, I mean, clearly
• 1:26:04
  the system is somewhat broken, but it seems like unless you
• 1:26:09
  have like a thousand subs and even then, like in the west, you
• 1:26:16
  really are on top of the algorithm and producing videos
• 1:26:20
  every single day, which you know, I don't know how anyone
• 1:26:24
  has time for that. What, you know, if you have like
• 1:26:26
  a full time job or Something like that.
• 1:26:29
  I honestly you know good for Garin good for Midnight's edge
• 1:26:33
  of, you know, if they can do that daily.
• 1:26:35
  But I just don't see how unless you commit, you know, to fully
• 1:26:40
  how you can even get into the algorithm really do.
• 1:26:44
  I don't know. Yeah, like I said, I mean most
• 1:26:47
  of my growth has been directly because Gary came to the channel
• 1:26:51
  and you know he gave me credit. Now granted I did have you know
• 1:26:54
  that one viral video that got me a lot of Subs I mean 100 130
• 1:26:57
  thousand views. Hot story.
• 1:26:59
  You know, people came and subscribed and you know some of
• 1:27:02
  those people are in my chat every single day and that's why
• 1:27:05
  don't, you know, I'm not obviously I put in work but you
• 1:27:10
  have an as far as that I really don't know.
• 1:27:12
  I've been rethinking my channel a lot of of late because you
• 1:27:16
  know I was kind of doing the thing where I'm chasing the
• 1:27:18
  story. You know, the weekly story and
• 1:27:20
  I'll make a 10-minute video about it to try to get some eyes
• 1:27:23
  on it. But a like, there's guys like
• 1:27:26
  Gary out there who are doing it better than me.
• 1:27:28
  And B, I kind of started to feel like a whore, like, I kind of
• 1:27:31
  started to feel like, I'm just doing this to, like, I have
• 1:27:34
  thoughts on it, but I'm just doing it to get eyes on the
• 1:27:36
  channel. And it's not really what I want
• 1:27:38
  to tell, you know, I don't know. So I've just been kind of
• 1:27:40
  thinking about, I don't know rethinking and I honestly, I
• 1:27:43
  don't have any answers for you man.
• 1:27:44
  I wish I did. I would my thought at least my
• 1:27:48
  philosophy on YouTube right now. Is it just try to have as much
• 1:27:52
  fun as possible? Yeah.
• 1:27:53
  And literally just treat it like that and, you know, not to say
• 1:27:56
  that means I don't work hard but it's I'm going to do what I want
• 1:27:59
  to do here and I'm going to have fun.
• 1:28:02
  And that's, I mean that's already paying off for me
• 1:28:05
  emotionally and spiritually. Like, I just feel like a happier
• 1:28:07
  person doing this. I don't feel trapped under the
• 1:28:10
  wheels of the YouTube Monster, but I would, I don't know, man.
• 1:28:15
  Just do what makes you happy do, it makes you feel good and
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  hopefully other people respond to it in that that's always kind
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  of been my attitude as well. I mean like, like like I said,
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  I've been, you know, podcasting for Or, you know several years,
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  it's awesome. It's awesome.
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  Interesting. Because, you know, with this
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  this whole thing with the livestream, people forget, it's
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  still relatively new and, you know, I must work better in the
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  long form, you know, format? Then I do, you know,
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  pre-recording, you know, short like tenet minute videos because
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  then like, I always I always end up spending more, time editing
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  though. Yeah, you do, you do what?
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  Not then, but then I do differences if you think about
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  the audience, And I because I know this about myself, I'd be
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  more willing to take a risk on a short video of someone.
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  I don't know that to our podcast.
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  Yeah. So, that's your basically kind
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  of inviting people to see what you're about.
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  You know? I mean, like, here's a snippet
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  of what you can get, if you kind of start hanging out with me
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  online. I mean, that's the best thing I
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  can interpret it, you know, I, well, I what I like to think of
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  it. I try to encourage vigilante to
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  do the videos too, because his growth isn't really grown much,
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  you know, and I, but he's such a great voice.
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  Like, I love him so much. Just take what I advised him to
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  do. Is I do just take take late.
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  You know, when we do the show and you have a take about
• 1:29:33
  something, just take that one take and make that a video.
• 1:29:37
  You know what I mean? Separate from the podcast and
• 1:29:40
  and see if that go if that will gain some traction.
• 1:29:42
  Because eventually something will click.
• 1:29:44
  I put out two videos that somehow it worked, you know, one
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  about the expanse. Getting cancelled that's got
• 1:29:50
  like 50,000 views in the birthing now granted.
• 1:29:52
  I don't have a lot of follow-up to that but it still caught some
• 1:29:55
  kind of something. You know what I mean?
• 1:29:56
  With the audience, So yeah, you know, I don't know, man.
• 1:29:59
  It's like a kind of alchemy, you know, the well, the other thing
• 1:30:02
  too is and, you know, again, I think thing you're saying, I
• 1:30:06
  guess my mic moment with YouTube is kind of that they kind of
• 1:30:10
  want to pigeonhole. You seemed like just how the
• 1:30:13
  system is set up where I was. Like I cover a lot of different
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  things on the channel. You know, I cover news and
• 1:30:20
  politics but then I also cover pop culture and whatnot.
• 1:30:23
  I don't want to say I do what Jeremy does with geeks and
• 1:30:27
  gamers. But you know, I'm kind of, you
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  know, I'm all over the place. I just don't, I just don't want
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  to start up like five different channels for a given topic
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  because, you know, those are, you know, those that can be
• 1:30:41
  tired Rasta managed. Yeah, yeah, those but I, you
• 1:30:47
  know, I find that You know, just YouTube kind of in it in it of
• 1:30:51
  itself, you know. It's it's interesting because
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  like you said, you'll hit one video that like gets like a lot
• 1:30:59
  of use and then, you know, you make like a really good video
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  and then it'll just get like 20 views or something.
• 1:31:09
  It's not my god dude, I put in. I made a video about Peter
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  Dinklage last week and I put it. I put in a lot of editing work
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  on that, like probably more than I should have, and it's sitting
• 1:31:18
  there like 60 views and see ya, no traction at all.
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  And I was like, damn it. I thought that was a good video,
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  but, you know, it's just kind of it's like anything else.
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  You just gotta get up, you gotta do it.
• 1:31:29
  It's like, you know, any other practice, but it's meditation or
• 1:31:32
  yoga or going to the gym whatever.
• 1:31:35
  It's like you just keep doing it, you know.
• 1:31:37
  Like it's you're not gonna like it's not like you're going to
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  get the results today. The first day you do it or even
• 1:31:44
  a hundred that you do it, you got to make it a life practice
• 1:31:47
  and then that is is I'm to me that seems to be the only system
• 1:31:50
  that works. I'm saying this.
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  Like I know I don't know but that's what metal makes sense to
• 1:31:54
  me. Yeah well you know and for me
• 1:31:57
  like I think the other thing that happens a lot is like all
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  post a video that you know that will just be like sitting
• 1:32:06
  stinging that won't do anything and then that same video will
• 1:32:08
  blow up like months and months and months and months later to
• 1:32:12
  that. That's the that's the other
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  weird thing like yeah like I'm a I made a video and this One of
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  my like my first big I guess controversial moments was back
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  when the whole Louis c.k. thing happened.
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  I was one of the YouTubers and said you know hey I'm still a
• 1:32:32
  fan of Lucy K, you know? I don't really think.
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  I don't really think he did anything wrong and comparison to
• 1:32:39
  like, Harvey Weinstein and whatnot.
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  So why are we why are we canceling him?
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  Well, that video? It's kind of sat there for I
• 1:32:49
  guess like three, four months and then all of a sudden and it
• 1:32:55
  blew up. And, and a lot of more people
• 1:32:57
  like, oh, you're, you know, a lot of was just hate con saying
• 1:33:01
  like, oh, you're defending lose behavior and it's like, man,
• 1:33:07
  not. I mean partially, because he did
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  ask for consent, but also not really, I'm just saying that he
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  shouldn't be be banned from. You know, entertainment forever,
• 1:33:19
  he should be given a second chance because he's not Harvey
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  Weinstein. Yeah, note also, the whole Louis
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  thing was way blown out of proportion is just so
• 1:33:28
  exaggerated as to like what he did versus I think but you know
• 1:33:33
  what they were talking about earlier man, he apologized and
• 1:33:35
  that just added to the fire, it didn't help at all.
• 1:33:37
  It just made him look worse and that's the issue.
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  But hey man I got to get going. It's I got a I got a wrap-up
• 1:33:45
  have yeah, no yeah no problem man.
• 1:33:47
  So Anyway, well, with that in mind, where can people find you
• 1:33:52
  and whatnot? You can come too, foul ball
• 1:33:56
  Productions. I think I may have made a few
• 1:33:58
  fans here tonight. There's a lot of really great.
• 1:34:00
  Lots of support in the chat really Positive Vibes, which I
• 1:34:03
  appreciate. Thanks guys, it's nice to see us
• 1:34:06
  support like that, but it did was great to meet you.
• 1:34:09
  You can catch me at foul, ball Productions, put out a weekly
• 1:34:12
  podcast with vigilante Williamson called the culture
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  crime fighter, to do it every Wednesday, either on my side.
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  Alors vigilante Williams's or you could see the MFR cocktail
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  lounge every Friday night, following Friday night, tights
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  at 8:30 Central. Try to have a lot as much fun as
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  possible while. I don't know covering some
• 1:34:29
  serious topics. Man.
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  But yeah, we appreciate you inviting me out here, likewise.
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  Thanks for coming on coming on, man.
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  And, you know, I'm always available if you want to have me
• 1:34:40
  on and I'd be happy to do your podcast or turn right on,
• 1:34:43
  brother. Yeah, I'll you know what?
• 1:34:45
  I'll talk to the talk to the team talk to vigilante.
• 1:34:47
  See if we can get going but I really appreciate you having me
• 1:34:50
  on man. All right man.
• 1:34:52
  Well thanks to everyone who tuned in.
• 1:34:55
  And thanks everyone. Who's listening to the audio
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• 1:35:01
  Productions real quick, where did you get that name from?
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  I'm curious. That's a that's my dad's
• 1:35:08
  nickname. So it's an homage to him.
• 1:35:09
  Oh, okay, cool. So subscribe to foul ball
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• 1:35:17
  So Yeah, go check him out, follow him on Twitter as well at
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  fell. I think that I think it's fell
• 1:35:26
  ball Productions as well, right? Yeah, I will present everywhere,
• 1:35:30
  Twitter, 0, g, the whole thing. You guys can definitely come by
• 1:35:34
  and talk to me over there on my channel.
• 1:35:37
  I'd be happy to engage, I love conversation.
• 1:35:40
  So I appreciate it Sam. All right man.
• 1:35:43
  Thanks for coming on and folks. Thanks for tuning in and have a
• 1:35:46
  good night. See you next week.