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Alice Goltz UPDATE (7/22/25) · Aired Out

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  Speaker 1: Is Tuesday, Tuesday, July twenty second, aired out in About
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  Speaker 1: in mont Pillier. This morning, We've got an absolutely beautiful day.
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  Speaker 2: That's my friend Alice right next to me. Say hi, Alice, Hi?
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  Speaker 3: Hell?
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  Speaker 4: Are you? Yeah?
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  Speaker 3: We do?
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  Speaker 1: I think everybody's doing well. I mean, how could you
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  Speaker 1: not on a day like today. It is just gorgeous outside.
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  Speaker 1: We're looking at a mix of sun and clouds both
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  Speaker 1: today and real comfortable.
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  Speaker 2: I call this the pick of the week.
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  Speaker 1: Seventy three degrees for a high today, perfect, partly cloudy
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  Speaker 1: and cool again tonight forty eight degrees for the low.
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  Speaker 2: Last night was.
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  Speaker 1: Borderline chili. See how quickly we can acclimate up here
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  Speaker 1: in Vermont. Wednesday looks like sunshine and eighty degrees. We're
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  Speaker 1: going to rebound right back to summer on Thursday ninety
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  Speaker 1: degrees and sunny. Friday eighty two with some thunderstorms. Saturday
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  Speaker 1: looks pretty good too, Partly cloudy and eighty three degrees
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  Speaker 1: For Heritage Festival Week starting up tomorrow at Currier Park
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  Speaker 1: in the Granite City. It is going to be fantastic.
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  Speaker 1: It's just going to be great. Come on out for
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  Speaker 1: the food trucks, the live music and of course at
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  Speaker 1: around three thirty. The Farmer's Market all in currr Park.
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  Speaker 1: By the way, Chris Powers going to be playing in
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  Speaker 1: Currier Park on the thirtieth of this month. Very much
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  Speaker 1: looking forward to that and hopefully I'll be able to
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  Speaker 1: sponsor it. But anyway, the parade on Saturday, weather looks
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  Speaker 1: pretty good for that. Watch out for aired out in
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  Speaker 1: the parade and our booth that we're going to be
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  Speaker 1: sharing with Donnybrook Fight Promotions outdoors on North Main Street
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  Speaker 1: this weekend as part of the Heritage Festival in the
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  Speaker 1: Granite City.
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  Speaker 2: It's going to be amazing. Birthday is today.
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  Speaker 1: Quick shout out to Mark Houg loved that guy, Carol Baker,
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  Speaker 1: Wendy Hallie, Dave Leclair, Ashley Viticuli, Vititelango now Vitagliano.
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  Speaker 2: I knew I'd get it at some point.
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  Speaker 1: Alice Sonia Foster, Damian Barnett, Jeremy Martin, Casey Me, Jessica
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  Speaker 1: Ricker and Dustin Bell all on the birthday list today. Hey,
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  Speaker 1: we got a new presenting sponsor.
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  Speaker 2: It's j C.
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  Speaker 1: Softwatch of Williamstown. So excited to be partnered up with Jared.
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  Speaker 1: It's going to be a great, great relationship, and I
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  Speaker 1: am very much looking forward to promoting everything that he's
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  Speaker 1: up to, making things look.
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  Speaker 2: Shiny and new again.
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  Speaker 1: JC softwatch of Williamstown looks like Mountaineers and Newport Tonight
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  Speaker 1: at Recreation Field here in Mottpillier and then tomorrow North Adams.
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  Speaker 1: So if you haven't been out to the ballpark yet,
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  Speaker 1: get out and enjoy it.
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  Speaker 2: Rex.
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  Speaker 1: Of course, Friday night he'll be in Chelmsford, Massachusetts for
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  Speaker 1: his big fight. Looking forward to seeing how that's gonna unfold.
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  Speaker 1: American Legion, It's where I'll be tonight at five o'clock
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  Speaker 1: as aired Out and About continues to make its rounds
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  Speaker 1: around Central from A tune in tonight at five o'clock
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  Speaker 1: for a great interview as they sit down with Steve England.
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  Speaker 1: Also tonight, I'll be having some more information on aired
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  Speaker 1: Out about the Nodes Family Farm Benefit.
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  Speaker 2: We'll have some updates not.
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  Speaker 1: Only about sponsors, but also about what to expect on
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  Speaker 1: the twenty third of August. Going to be incredible. But
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  Speaker 1: let's let's dive in this morning. My friend Alice Goltz. Here,
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  Speaker 1: you and I met I think a couple of years
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  Speaker 1: ago now, yes, and we we actually had our first chat,
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  Speaker 1: our first conversation right here in Montpillier, just down the
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  Speaker 1: road at Capitol Grounds.
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  Speaker 2: Right. Yeah, we sat out in the.
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  Speaker 1: Out on the sidewalk and we shared your story, which frankly,
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  Speaker 1: I have heard so much about. Even before I met you,
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  Speaker 1: I had people coming to me saying, you got to
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  Speaker 1: talk to Alice Golds, you got to interview her, You've
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  Speaker 1: got to hear this story. We're going to give an
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  Speaker 1: update on your story this morning. But first, basically, let's
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  Speaker 1: let's for folks that may not be familiar Alice with
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  Speaker 1: with you, who you are, where you're from, and your story.
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  Speaker 1: Give us a breakdown. You've you've you moved here from
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  Speaker 1: New York, right.
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  Speaker 3: Yes, I've no.
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  Speaker 4: I I came to Burlington from New York, Okay, and
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  Speaker 4: then I came then I had my daughter, and then
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  Speaker 4: I left. I left Vermont because my daughter was taken
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  Speaker 4: from me.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, this is a and then you came back to Vermont.
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  Speaker 2: Obviously, this is a very.
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  Speaker 1: Uh, a very complicated and detailed story. We'll say with
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  Speaker 1: great respect, there's a lot to unpack here, and frankly, uh,
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  Speaker 1: the first time I met you, I'm like, man, we're
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  Speaker 1: just not going to be able to scratch the surface
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  Speaker 1: here in one podcast episode. That's why you've been on
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  Speaker 1: several times. Yes, but you've you moved to Muntpillier, You've
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  Speaker 1: been here for you live here in Montpillier.
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  Speaker 2: You've been here for a long time.
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  Speaker 3: Yes, all right. I've been here since two ten.
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  Speaker 2: Twenty ten. All right.
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  Speaker 1: So the bottom line is what now you You you
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  Speaker 1: met a guy a long time ago, Yes, and the
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  Speaker 1: two of you had a child together, Yes, And what
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  Speaker 1: happened after that?
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  Speaker 4: My daughter was taken into DCF custody.
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  Speaker 2: Why.
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  Speaker 4: They actually didn't say why, but it was because my disability.
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  Speaker 2: And what is what is your disability?
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  Speaker 4: Well, I have dystonia and I have like a cognitive disability.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, it's very very mild cognitive disability. And I
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  Speaker 1: just want to say, I just want to say that
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  Speaker 1: the word disability is such a buzzword these days, and
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  Speaker 1: so many of us are finally starting to shift in
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  Speaker 1: our world that we live in, in the way that
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  Speaker 1: we think about that the folks that I know who
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  Speaker 1: have quote disabilities, I look at as having more ability
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  Speaker 1: than so many of the rest of us. Yes, but
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  Speaker 1: you you have a massive heart and you're you're such
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  Speaker 1: a special lady.
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  Speaker 2: You.
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  Speaker 1: You gave birth to this beautiful little girl in the
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  Speaker 1: month of April.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, you named her April?
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  Speaker 3: Yes?
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  Speaker 1: And where was she born? Right here in Vermont, yes, okay? Whereabouts?
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  Speaker 3: And Fanny Allen.
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  Speaker 1: Fanny all Okay in Burlington, yes, okay. Shortly after she
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  Speaker 1: was born, you were in the hospital in recovering.
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  Speaker 2: And what happened?
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  Speaker 4: And the day after I gave her, two men came
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  Speaker 4: into my house little room, stating that they would take.
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  Speaker 3: It my child's insc custody.
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  Speaker 4: And didn't give me any reades or anything the day
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  Speaker 4: the day after, did.
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  Speaker 1: You have any anyone representing you? Did you have a
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  Speaker 1: social worker or anyone that was at your side when
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  Speaker 1: DCF came in and took your child from you?
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  Speaker 3: No, they didn't take my child and just separated us.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, but I did.
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  Speaker 3: I did contact my brother about.
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  Speaker 4: About what should I do. My brother's a lawyer in
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  Speaker 4: New York City.
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  Speaker 2: Okay.
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  Speaker 1: So they separated you and April, Yes, into what different
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  Speaker 1: rooms or.
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  Speaker 3: Yes, into different rooms?
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  Speaker 4: And I couldn't be alone with my my daughter until
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  Speaker 4: until somebody came in the room.
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  Speaker 2: Okay. Then what happened?
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  Speaker 3: Then there was an emergency court hearing.
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  Speaker 4: Okay, on that Monday, right after he gave birth, and
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  Speaker 4: I was in the hospital, and and my husband was
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  Speaker 4: at that court hearing.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, what what was said during that that hearing you
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  Speaker 1: were you're still in the hospital.
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  Speaker 2: What what was said?
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  Speaker 4: What was said was my one of the investigators was
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  Speaker 4: said that he never met a parent that did so
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  Speaker 4: much for the child, but he couldn't understand it did
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  Speaker 4: so much for the child even before she was born.
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  Speaker 4: Where I took all these classes and I was I
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  Speaker 4: was basically like prepared as any parent could be, because
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  Speaker 4: we don't come with manuals. But his the father's grand
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  Speaker 4: the father's not Graham, the father's mother was ordered to
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  Speaker 4: come up to stay to stay with with us.
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  Speaker 3: As she was deemed as responsible for the child.
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  Speaker 1: What kind of classes did you take before your daughter
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  Speaker 1: was born.
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  Speaker 4: I took Lama's classes. I took parenting classes.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, any others that you could think of.
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  Speaker 3: I took a class that where nurse came.
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  Speaker 4: Into my home, Okay. And then I was a that
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  Speaker 4: evaluated by susan Ewan.
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  Speaker 2: Tell me about Susan.
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  Speaker 4: Susan Ewan is is an evaluator as college is with
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  Speaker 4: parents with disabilities. Okay, and she evaluated me.
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  Speaker 2: Uh and what what was her findings.
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  Speaker 4: That I that I can parent with with supports?
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  Speaker 2: Okay?
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  Speaker 1: We uh, we're live here this morning in Montellier. Alice
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  Speaker 1: Goltz is my guest returning to aired out and listen.
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  Speaker 1: Let's just say it like it is when we're out
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  Speaker 1: and about.
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  Speaker 2: Uh.
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  Speaker 1: We can't always predict when there's going to be a
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  Speaker 1: weed whacker that's going to be right next to us.
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  Speaker 2: Uh, but there is this morning.
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  Speaker 4: Uh.
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  Speaker 2: So we're just.
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  Speaker 1: Gonna we got to let this guy do what he's
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  Speaker 1: got to do making the grounds here look beautiful. But
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  Speaker 1: hopefully you can all still hear us. Are you still
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  Speaker 1: in touch with Susan?
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  Speaker 4: Yes?
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  Speaker 2: All once in a while, yes, okay. And where is
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  Speaker 2: she now?
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  Speaker 3: She's enough, she lives.
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  Speaker 2: In Underhill, so she's still hearing from mom.
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  Speaker 4: But she's she doesn't do she doesn't do the evaluations anymore.
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  Speaker 3: She's eighty years old.
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  Speaker 2: Okay. Okay, So the bottom line is.
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  Speaker 1: The real bottom line here is that DCF took your
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  Speaker 1: daughter from you, yes, and put her into foster.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, the foster program.
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  Speaker 4: Well, she didn't go into postercare right away. Of the
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  Speaker 4: until like after the month after the grandmother the grandmother
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  Speaker 4: had left, which the grandma was supposed.
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  Speaker 3: To be there for a month, but she's only there
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  Speaker 3: for a.
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  Speaker 1: Week okay, the grandmother being the mother of the father. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: she was only there for how long?
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  Speaker 4: A week?
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  Speaker 2: A week? Okay.
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  Speaker 1: So then you're still trying to advocate for yourself here
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  Speaker 1: at this point. And then your daughter, April gets put
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  Speaker 1: into the foster program.
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  Speaker 4: Yes, and my attorney had got us both put into
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  Speaker 4: foster care together.
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  Speaker 2: Oh.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, so you were able to be with April living
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  Speaker 1: with a family.
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  Speaker 3: Yes?
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  Speaker 2: Was that here in Vermont?
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  Speaker 3: Yes, we lived with a couple of families.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, how did that go?
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  Speaker 3: It? It was kind of hard at that time.
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  Speaker 2: Okay.
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  Speaker 1: I mean you've got an.
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  Speaker 2: Infant here or a toddler.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, I'm guessing that April is now my guess would
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  Speaker 1: be what around a year old?
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  Speaker 3: Maybe she was less than a year.
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  Speaker 2: Less than a year. Okay. That's a stressful transition there.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's that's when babies are starting to walk and
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  Speaker 1: get into things, and you got to be on your
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  Speaker 1: toes uh and you were, yes, So then what happens
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  Speaker 1: after that?
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  Speaker 3: Then? What happens.
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  Speaker 4: After that, we go into the last home we went into.
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  Speaker 4: My so called friend came up from Maryland saying she
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  Speaker 4: had she was Sycamorea too, and she said that she
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  Speaker 4: was gonna take she would take me and my daughter
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  Speaker 4: and to live with her and her two children.
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  Speaker 3: And so we went.
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  Speaker 4: We went there to Maryland, to Marylyn at first, and
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  Speaker 4: then she moved, she moved to Virginia. We had to
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  Speaker 4: go there with her. And it was so hard for
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  Speaker 4: my daughter. She would cry a lot with the moving
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  Speaker 4: back and forth.
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  Speaker 1: What because she went to Maryland first and then Virginia.
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  Speaker 3: Yes, and then we'd had to go.
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  Speaker 4: We had to go to New Jersey because her her
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  Speaker 4: her children's father, her children, they he lived in New Jersey,
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  Speaker 4: so they shared, they shared custody.
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  Speaker 3: So that was hard for my daughter.
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  Speaker 4: And then and then after that she didn't want us
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  Speaker 4: anymore and she gave us thirty day notice that we
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  Speaker 4: had to leave the home.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, Then what happened?
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  Speaker 4: So then DCF gave temporary custody to Virginia.
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  Speaker 2: Okay.
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  Speaker 4: Then there was event two quart hearings and I wasn't
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  Speaker 4: on the court hearing in in Virginia. Not in Virginia
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  Speaker 4: and Vermont, and I was on the court hear in Virginia.
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  Speaker 4: And then when Virginia had told me that my daughter
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  Speaker 4: was getting taken back into custody in Vermont, my daughter
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  Speaker 4: came back here May second, two thousand and eight. I
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  Speaker 4: came back to the state May third, two thousand and eight,
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  Speaker 4: and May fifth, I walked into the courtroom and my
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  Speaker 4: attorney had asked her visit set up for the mother
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  Speaker 4: and they said no, we didn't know the mother was coming.
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  Speaker 4: And judge order five day visits and she was already
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  Speaker 4: placed in the permanent home as.
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  Speaker 3: Soon as I got there. So it was like a
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  Speaker 3: total setup.
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  Speaker 2: Wow.
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  Speaker 1: Meanwhile, life is time is going by, life is.
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  Speaker 2: Is in motion here and you.
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  Speaker 1: Become a crossing guard here in Montpellier. Yes, and how
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  Speaker 1: long were you doing that?
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  Speaker 4: I did that here in Mount Pillier for about ten years.
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  Speaker 1: So you're seeing every every day young children, You're guiding
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  Speaker 1: them across the street safely. How was How was that
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  Speaker 1: for you? I can only imagine what that must have
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  Speaker 1: been like.
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  Speaker 3: It was, It was a little hard. There was one.
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  Speaker 4: There was like a couple of years one a couple
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  Speaker 4: of years. When I first started, there was like this
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  Speaker 4: little girl. She was about the same age as my daughter,
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  Speaker 4: so so I sort of giving her gifts and stuff,
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  Speaker 4: and I started to have a relationship with her, and I.
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  Speaker 3: Knew her mom, so her mom was okay about that?
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  Speaker 1: Were you imagining at this point what April looked like?
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  Speaker 2: Did you know where she was living?
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  Speaker 3: Yes? I did. She lives in Burlington.
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  Speaker 1: In Burlington, okay. Were you able to have any visitation, No.
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  Speaker 3: It was only it was only letters and pictures.
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  Speaker 2: Okay. Were you.
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  Speaker 1: Were you able to find out if those letters and
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  Speaker 1: those pictures were being actually seen by April.
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  Speaker 4: Well, I don't really know all the things that she
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  Speaker 4: had got, I'd send them to the adoption registry. Okay,
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  Speaker 4: So I don't actually know what actually she got.
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  Speaker 1: So we're going through all of these years, all of
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  Speaker 1: this time, and when fast forwarding maybe what eight, nine,
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  Speaker 1: ten years? You're in Montpellier one day, Yes, and what happened.
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  Speaker 4: Me and my friend, my French niece, we were walking
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  Speaker 4: and some and woman called my name, so we turned
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  Speaker 4: around and she said, she said, April, this is mommy Alice, Mom, Alice,
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  Speaker 4: this is April, and we hugged and kissed.
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  Speaker 3: It was a happy said it was happy sad.
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  Speaker 4: Moment because even though they didn't want to give me
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  Speaker 4: a visit, God did.
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  Speaker 1: So whoever this this woman was that recognized you on
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  Speaker 1: the streets here in Montpellier.
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  Speaker 3: It was one of her guardians.
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  Speaker 2: It was one of her guardians.
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  Speaker 3: I called her.
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  Speaker 4: Guardians because I don't consider them as our parents.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, right, right, So you saw April at about age.
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  Speaker 4: What she was about swings maybe seven, okay, seven or eight?
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  Speaker 1: Seven or eight years old, and you saw her for
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  Speaker 1: a matter of how many I mean minutes?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, maybe like maybe it was like ten twenty minutes maybe, okay,
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  Speaker 4: And then me and my friend we wrote a letter
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  Speaker 4: to the Council on Disability from Washington, d C.
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  Speaker 3: And then they got in touch with Al.
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  Speaker 4: Jazeera America and did a three port story on me.
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  Speaker 4: Doc susan new one and DCF here of Vermont.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, and I've seen that. It's it's unbelievable. Were you Were.
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  Speaker 1: You able to retain any contact with April after that
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  Speaker 1: brief visit for minutes on the streets of Montpellier.
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  Speaker 4: No, I hadn't been able to really have a real
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  Speaker 4: relationship with.
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  Speaker 1: Her, other other than mailing things and hoping that yes,
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  Speaker 1: she's able to see that. One of them was a
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  Speaker 1: story book that you had put together, which I've seen,
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  Speaker 1: which is amazing.
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  Speaker 4: Me and my friend Bobby, we we worked on this
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  Speaker 4: memory book so she would have her story of me
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  Speaker 4: and her and I sent it out in November because
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  Speaker 4: I was hoping to give it to Hope and she
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  Speaker 4: to have it.
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  Speaker 3: To give her enough time to see it. But she
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  Speaker 3: didn't get it.
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  Speaker 2: What was in that story book.
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  Speaker 4: It's told from the beginning to the ends, like exactly what.
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  Speaker 1: Happened, including some photographs that you were able to to
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  Speaker 1: gather and save.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, okay, but you never.
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  Speaker 1: You never actually knew whether or not April had seen
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  Speaker 1: that story book or was read any of the letters
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  Speaker 1: that you had written.
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  Speaker 4: They said that, they said that they sent it, they
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  Speaker 4: gave it za, but I don't really actually no, no, yes, okay.
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  Speaker 1: So all of this time is gone by Alice, and
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  Speaker 1: you're I can't imagine what you're going through, not being
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  Speaker 1: able to see your daughter grow up, have really any
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: reciprocating contact with her, any kind of engagement. That's got
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: to be extremely difficult. Yeah, can't imagine.
• 23:36
  Speaker 3: It's been really.
• 23:37
  Speaker 2: Hard for a long time.
• 23:39
  Speaker 3: For a long time.
• 23:43
  Speaker 2: During this time.
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: You've been kind of waiting for the day when April
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: would turn eighteen years old.
• 23:51
  Speaker 4: Yes, because I always wanted I always wanted to tell her,
• 23:55
  Speaker 4: tell her our story.
• 23:57
  Speaker 3: I want her to actually know that.
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: You yeah, from your mouth.
• 24:03
  Speaker 3: Yes.
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: And not only that, but in addition to that, maybe
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: also having some possibly hopefully some kind of relationship, yes,
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: regardless of what it is or what it would be,
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: some kind of independent communication that you could have with her, Yes,
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: with hope that there would be some back and forth
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: between the two of you, there would be something something, Yes.
• 24:52
  Speaker 2: And I think.
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: You know this is it's a real fragile situation. It's
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: very very delicate for both of you because you got
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: to take baby steps here. Yes, And you know you're
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: trying to purge here. You're trying to make up on
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: lost time, which is our greatest gift and our worst
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: enemy at the same time.
• 25:24
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but you've got to.
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: For both of you, you've got to play your cards right,
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: and you've got to take, like I said, baby steps
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: and don't jump the gun.
• 25:42
  Speaker 2: Just be.
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: Allow that relationship whatever it turns into, to foster at
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: its own pace and not rush things. So I've had
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: you on the air a couple of times, the first
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: time here in Montpellier.
• 26:02
  Speaker 2: The second time you were in the studio.
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: Which was I want to say, wasn't that like March
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: March or April April?
• 26:10
  Speaker 2: It was April.
• 26:11
  Speaker 3: April twenty four, twenty what April twenty.
• 26:15
  Speaker 2: Fourth, Okay? And when is April's birthday?
• 26:17
  Speaker 3: April's birthday was on the on the thirteenth. And then
• 26:23
  Speaker 3: I got this.
• 26:24
  Speaker 4: This text from JD and and I wanted to find
• 26:29
  Speaker 4: my I wanted to find my daughter. And I felt
• 26:32
  Speaker 4: like this was a sign from God telling me go
• 26:36
  Speaker 4: on the show and and try to see see it,
• 26:41
  Speaker 4: talk to talk to people.
• 26:44
  Speaker 3: Let them know my story, to make it aware.
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: And you did that. You did that very well. You
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: came on the air with me just days after April
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: thirty eighth, April's eighteenth birthday. Yes, and you told you
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: told your story, maybe in more detailed than than where
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: we're going today.
• 27:08
  Speaker 3: Yes.
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: And what happened after that that was just the end
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: of April, a couple of months ago.
• 27:18
  Speaker 2: What happened after that?
• 27:20
  Speaker 4: And then two like about two weeks after I had
• 27:25
  Speaker 4: got a phone call. I missed the phone call, but
• 27:29
  Speaker 4: it was on my voicemail that April had called me
• 27:34
  Speaker 4: because I sent me and my friend, not my friend,
• 27:37
  Speaker 4: me and.
• 27:37
  Speaker 3: My community worker. I was really disappointed.
• 27:41
  Speaker 4: I was going to resend the memory book and they
• 27:46
  Speaker 4: told they told me they could resend it, but it
• 27:51
  Speaker 4: would still go to the home. She wouldn't directly get it,
• 27:55
  Speaker 4: as the lady had misled me that they could send
• 27:59
  Speaker 4: it directly to her when she was eighteen. So then
• 28:03
  Speaker 4: me and my community worker we just sent the card,
• 28:07
  Speaker 4: sent the gift card, and I wrote her a letter
• 28:10
  Speaker 4: saying I'd be really sad you didn't get the memory
• 28:13
  Speaker 4: book and telling her I've been writing to her for
• 28:17
  Speaker 4: fifteen years. And then she wrote when she called, she
• 28:21
  Speaker 4: said she loved she got the memory book and she
• 28:24
  Speaker 4: loved it.
• 28:25
  Speaker 3: It meant so much to her.
• 28:29
  Speaker 2: That's amazing.
• 28:31
  Speaker 3: That was the first thing, and then the second.
• 28:33
  Speaker 2: So that was.
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: Right around the beginning of May, right, Yes, Yes, wasn't
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: that the day before Mother's Day?
• 28:44
  Speaker 2: Yes, And you called me right away.
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: And I've literally had goosebumps all over my arms. I
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: mean we were doing everything on the air that day,
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: including giving out your yourself phone number in hopes that
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: someone listening would would be able to maybe get the
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: link to that episode to April so that she would
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: contact you. And there was somebody that reached out to
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: you and said, hey, I saw the podcast, didn't they say?
• 29:20
  Speaker 2: I know? And I know?
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: Didn't they say? And I know April? Yes, So you
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: get that, you get this this this phone call from
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: April with a voicemail, yes, saying she received this, this
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: this memory book that you've put together.
• 29:40
  Speaker 3: Yes?
• 29:43
  Speaker 2: Then what so this is the day before Mother's Day?
• 29:46
  Speaker 4: Then what Then the day after I got a text
• 29:50
  Speaker 4: saying it from her having Mother's Day mommy Alice.
• 29:53
  Speaker 2: Wow? Then what happened?
• 30:03
  Speaker 4: Then we did try to try to get together, but
• 30:09
  Speaker 4: that didn't work out because she had.
• 30:11
  Speaker 2: To work late. Okay, And then.
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: You got a birthday, your birthday, May twentieth.
• 30:24
  Speaker 2: Yes, there was more communication.
• 30:28
  Speaker 1: She reached out to you and said happy birthday. She's
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: got your cell phone number now.
• 30:33
  Speaker 4: Yes, me and my community worker, we hadn't heard from her,
• 30:40
  Speaker 4: so we wrote her another letter, another text telling her
• 30:43
  Speaker 4: what I was doing for my birthday, that it was
• 30:46
  Speaker 4: my birthday.
• 30:46
  Speaker 3: And what I did. And then she put a.
• 30:50
  Speaker 4: Text, but this time she didn't say happy birthday, Mommy Alice.
• 30:54
  Speaker 3: She said happy birthday, Alice.
• 30:56
  Speaker 2: Okay, which is fine, Which is fine, of course. I
• 31:02
  Speaker 2: mean I think you're.
• 31:06
  Speaker 1: Look, it's fair to say you're blessed by frankly, any
• 31:12
  Speaker 1: communication that's coming from April.
• 31:15
  Speaker 2: Yes, so that's right around your birthday May twentieth.
• 31:19
  Speaker 4: Then what and then I I write, I write back
• 31:27
  Speaker 4: to her, you know, we were trying to reschedule another time,
• 31:34
  Speaker 4: but we weren't. It just didn't seem to work out, okay.
• 31:39
  Speaker 3: And then.
• 31:40
  Speaker 4: I wrote, I wrote her a letter telling her, you know,
• 31:44
  Speaker 4: I'd be as I'd be supportive to her and be
• 31:47
  Speaker 4: a listening ear.
• 31:49
  Speaker 3: And it meant so much.
• 31:50
  Speaker 4: To her as and she was so happy that she
• 31:53
  Speaker 4: said she called me mom, which really meant the world
• 31:56
  Speaker 4: to me.
• 32:00
  Speaker 2: Well, you are her mom?
• 32:01
  Speaker 3: Yes, so.
• 32:07
  Speaker 2: Is it was? There was there any communication after that?
• 32:11
  Speaker 1: Yes, we're into the beginning of June now right, yes, okay.
• 32:16
  Speaker 3: Where it meant it meant the world to her.
• 32:19
  Speaker 4: Where she just she said, she said in the text
• 32:26
  Speaker 4: that she wants that she wanted to talk about the
• 32:30
  Speaker 4: memory book and whatever and anything else that was on
• 32:33
  Speaker 4: her mind.
• 32:36
  Speaker 3: And I and I was just being patient.
• 32:43
  Speaker 2: How difficult is that for you to be patient?
• 32:49
  Speaker 4: It's been a long, a long role sometimes it's been
• 32:53
  Speaker 4: ups and downs, but sometimes I just want to throw
• 32:56
  Speaker 4: in the towel. But my friends kept, My friend Sanise
• 33:00
  Speaker 4: and others had just told me to get back up
• 33:03
  Speaker 4: and just keep going. And once it became a piece
• 33:08
  Speaker 4: and God gave me the peace, the doors started opening
• 33:12
  Speaker 4: it up more and more.
• 33:14
  Speaker 1: I think there's a good number of people watching and
• 33:17
  Speaker 1: listening right now, Alice that would echo that and drop
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: a comment of support and love for you to not
• 33:30
  Speaker 1: throw in the towel, to hang in there, but again,
• 33:39
  Speaker 1: tread lightly.
• 33:40
  Speaker 2: And go easy baby steps.
• 33:43
  Speaker 1: You know it's this is a lot of lost time here,
• 33:48
  Speaker 1: and trying to make it all up quickly.
• 33:53
  Speaker 2: Can go up up in flames quickly.
• 33:56
  Speaker 1: So it's so important to just let this relationship just
• 34:05
  Speaker 1: be what it is. Yeah, and she knows how to
• 34:09
  Speaker 1: get in touch with you now, she knows where you live.
• 34:15
  Speaker 1: I'm guessing she's got an email address, but she's definitely
• 34:18
  Speaker 1: got your cell phone number. Yes, she knows where mont
• 34:21
  Speaker 1: Pillier is. Yes, she's still living in Burlington as far
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: as far as you know. She's been away on vacation
• 34:30
  Speaker 1: for quite a while now. Where not sure if she's
• 34:38
  Speaker 1: back yet. Yes, but here we are approaching the bottom
• 34:47
  Speaker 1: half of July, summer of twenty twenty five, and we've
• 34:54
  Speaker 1: got a few more really beautiful months left before the snowflies.
• 35:04
  Speaker 2: And this would be.
• 35:09
  Speaker 1: More than a dream come true for you to just
• 35:12
  Speaker 1: be able to have some time with April, some real
• 35:17
  Speaker 1: face time.
• 35:18
  Speaker 3: Yes, And it.
• 35:19
  Speaker 1: Doesn't have to we don't have to bite off more
• 35:24
  Speaker 1: than we can chew right away. You would take five minutes,
• 35:29
  Speaker 1: you'd take ten minutes, you'd take five hours, yes, if
• 35:34
  Speaker 1: it was given to you.
• 35:36
  Speaker 2: Yes, But that.
• 35:40
  Speaker 1: Face time is something that I think you're really hoping for, Yes,
• 35:45
  Speaker 1: just to be able to sit down together, look at
• 35:48
  Speaker 1: each other in the eye, and maybe April can learn
• 35:53
  Speaker 1: more of the details about who you are are, your life,
• 36:03
  Speaker 1: your history, and how everything unfolded you coming to Vermont,
• 36:12
  Speaker 1: you having a relationship with this man and having a
• 36:17
  Speaker 1: child together, and then all of the things that transpired
• 36:23
  Speaker 1: after that, Yeah, and just being able to have that
• 36:29
  Speaker 1: conversation yeah, which is going to be if it happens,
• 36:36
  Speaker 1: is going to be a very private moment for both
• 36:39
  Speaker 1: of you.
• 36:40
  Speaker 2: And I'm hoping that.
• 36:45
  Speaker 1: Someone, even me, anyone can help make that happen and
• 36:54
  Speaker 1: get you two together, even here on the State House,
• 37:00
  Speaker 1: lawn or anywhere where you've.
• 37:02
  Speaker 2: Got some quiet time.
• 37:06
  Speaker 1: Maybe not with all the weed whackers that are going
• 37:09
  Speaker 1: off around here, but maybe some quiet time somewhere where
• 37:14
  Speaker 1: you can focus on one another.
• 37:18
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and then maybe allowed that to.
• 37:26
  Speaker 1: Turn into another meeting where you're able to share some
• 37:30
  Speaker 1: more information.
• 37:33
  Speaker 3: I know God's got a plan.
• 37:35
  Speaker 2: Do you really believe that?
• 37:37
  Speaker 3: Yes? I do. I really do.
• 37:45
  Speaker 4: This.
• 37:47
  Speaker 1: I was so happy to hear that she had reached
• 37:51
  Speaker 1: out to you shortly after that podcast episode, and the
• 37:56
  Speaker 1: day before Mother's Day. I mean, that's huge, huge, And
• 38:01
  Speaker 1: the day after Mother's Day, the day of Mother's Day.
• 38:05
  Speaker 2: Our Mother's Day itself, Mother's Day itself. What's next, Alice?
• 38:15
  Speaker 3: I'm waiting.
• 38:17
  Speaker 4: Till she comes back from pu vacation and she'll get
• 38:21
  Speaker 4: She said she would give me some dates and times
• 38:25
  Speaker 4: when it be convenient for us to meet together.
• 38:29
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 38:31
  Speaker 1: But she's got your cell phone number.
• 38:35
  Speaker 4: Yes, and we've been texting back and walk there you go,
• 38:41
  Speaker 4: that's the baby steps right there. Yes, but I know,
• 38:46
  Speaker 4: I'm very thankful to God for all that he has
• 38:50
  Speaker 4: done for me.
• 38:53
  Speaker 1: You have such a beautiful soul, beutiful heart. You are
• 39:01
  Speaker 1: such a remarkably strong woman. Everything that you did leading
• 39:09
  Speaker 1: up to the birth of April, you were absolutely committed
• 39:20
  Speaker 1: to following through with your responsibility of being not only
• 39:26
  Speaker 1: a mother, but being the best mother that you could
• 39:31
  Speaker 1: possibly be. Yes, there are others in our country world
• 39:44
  Speaker 1: that might share a similar story like this and have
• 39:49
  Speaker 1: had maybe some similar experience relating to what you've been
• 39:55
  Speaker 1: through as someone with a disability, no matter what that
• 40:02
  Speaker 1: disability is, physical, cognitive, whatever. What's being done behind us
• 40:12
  Speaker 1: in the state House to prevent something like this from happening.
• 40:22
  Speaker 4: I've been working with my legislator at Connor Casey about
• 40:26
  Speaker 4: which we're working on a bill to help parents with disabilities.
• 40:32
  Speaker 4: I'm also talking to Karen Topper to help me get
• 40:38
  Speaker 4: in touch with the commissioner for me to talk to
• 40:42
  Speaker 4: the commissioner of DCF. I'm also I also spoke to
• 40:48
  Speaker 4: another legislator.
• 40:50
  Speaker 3: I can't remember her whole name.
• 40:52
  Speaker 4: Her name is Keisha and she's on the Judicial Committee,
• 40:56
  Speaker 4: and she said that she would she would like me
• 40:59
  Speaker 4: to testify.
• 41:01
  Speaker 3: At the state.
• 41:02
  Speaker 2: House justify about what about what happened.
• 41:06
  Speaker 3: To me and what happened to Also, I.
• 41:09
  Speaker 4: Know I know a woman that she used to work
• 41:14
  Speaker 4: for d CF and but she left d CF and
• 41:17
  Speaker 4: she was working with the parent with disability, and she
• 41:23
  Speaker 4: would have they would not let her go in the
• 41:25
  Speaker 4: courtroom top to advocate for the the the mother. And
• 41:31
  Speaker 4: then I told I told the legislator that because she
• 41:36
  Speaker 4: told me that the guardiument Liam had come to the
• 41:41
  Speaker 4: home and.
• 41:42
  Speaker 3: Asked the ask the parents, not the parents.
• 41:46
  Speaker 4: So I asked the well they would forced the parents
• 41:50
  Speaker 4: if they were going to adopt the child, and and
• 41:53
  Speaker 4: the and the husband had said no, the goal is
• 41:56
  Speaker 4: for reunification, for the for the how to be with
• 42:01
  Speaker 4: the mother, and the guard Aliam had said she'll never
• 42:05
  Speaker 4: get her child back. And then they moved the child
• 42:11
  Speaker 4: to another another home, and my friend was and her
• 42:18
  Speaker 4: husband was still helping the mother. And then eventually she
• 42:23
  Speaker 4: did get her child, her child back. But it's very
• 42:27
  Speaker 4: terrible that you know that people have control of other
• 42:30
  Speaker 4: people's lives. And I'm just advocating to help all the
• 42:36
  Speaker 4: parents not go through what I went.
• 42:38
  Speaker 1: Through, other parents with disabilities with disabilities. Okay, what is
• 42:46
  Speaker 1: what is is? Is there a bill that's being created
• 42:51
  Speaker 1: that's being worked on right now? Is it Connor Casey
• 42:55
  Speaker 1: that's drafting that?
• 42:56
  Speaker 4: Yes, kind of Casey's drafting that and I also share
• 43:01
  Speaker 4: the link about my show with Connor so he can
• 43:05
  Speaker 4: share that with all the other legislators.
• 43:06
  Speaker 2: Has he seen that to you know, I don't know what.
• 43:10
  Speaker 4: He actually has seen them seen it, but we have
• 43:13
  Speaker 4: talked about it.
• 43:14
  Speaker 1: Because this is the third time, Alice, that you've been
• 43:17
  Speaker 1: on aired out. Yes, to share your story. Yes, and
• 43:25
  Speaker 1: we're making some progress with connecting you in April. But
• 43:33
  Speaker 1: that's one side of the story. The other side of
• 43:36
  Speaker 1: the story is, like you just said, advocating for others
• 43:40
  Speaker 1: to prevent this from happening to others with disability.
• 43:47
  Speaker 4: Yes, because there's like and when I have my ALP
• 43:51
  Speaker 4: zero report, there's like eighty this is eighty percent of parents.
• 43:55
  Speaker 4: They use this as a strike against parents with disabilities.
• 44:00
  Speaker 4: And it's happening in thirty seven states. So just trying
• 44:05
  Speaker 4: to get.
• 44:05
  Speaker 1: The word out thirty seven states. Yes, So listen, the
• 44:14
  Speaker 1: last time I had you on the air, I said
• 44:17
  Speaker 1: something that was very unscripted. And I can get myself
• 44:27
  Speaker 1: in trouble pretty easily, Alice, especially when you're doing a
• 44:32
  Speaker 1: live podcast.
• 44:36
  Speaker 2: But I.
• 44:41
  Speaker 1: Don't necessarily know how to put this perfectly into words
• 44:48
  Speaker 1: in a way where someone's not going to be offended
• 44:53
  Speaker 1: or take it the wrong way, or take it out
• 44:55
  Speaker 1: of context. But I will attempt again right now, just
• 45:02
  Speaker 1: like I did last time.
• 45:06
  Speaker 2: The feeling that I have is that.
• 45:11
  Speaker 1: They're there are people in this world that for a
• 45:27
  Speaker 1: whole list of lots of different reasons, whatever they may be,
• 45:33
  Speaker 1: We could sit here and list them off all day,
• 45:36
  Speaker 1: but there's people that just maybe aren't fit or prepared
• 45:49
  Speaker 1: or set up to accept the responsibility to be a parent.
• 45:58
  Speaker 1: Giving birth to some one alone is that's biological, man,
• 46:09
  Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. And it's like being a parent.
• 46:12
  Speaker 1: That's that's a noun and it's a verb. To parent
• 46:19
  Speaker 1: someone is a big job. It's a ton of responsibility,
• 46:22
  Speaker 1: even one kid. I only have one kid, Alice, and
• 46:26
  Speaker 1: that's that's plenty.
• 46:28
  Speaker 2: For this old fella. It's a lot of work every day.
• 46:33
  Speaker 1: I don't know what I would do with without Charlin
• 46:39
  Speaker 1: helping to to parent. It's a big job. But not
• 46:48
  Speaker 1: everyone when they give birth is mentally ready to be
• 47:06
  Speaker 1: the best possible parent that they can be. Maybe they've
• 47:11
  Speaker 1: got some issues.
• 47:13
  Speaker 2: That are in their way.
• 47:14
  Speaker 1: Maybe it's addiction, maybe who knows what it is. But
• 47:26
  Speaker 1: yet they still are allowed to have their kid or
• 47:32
  Speaker 1: their kids and.
• 47:33
  Speaker 2: Have more and not really make.
• 47:39
  Speaker 1: Or be able to make the best personal sacrifice that
• 47:45
  Speaker 1: they need to do to be a better person so
• 47:48
  Speaker 1: that they can be a better parent. And residually we
• 47:53
  Speaker 1: see that effect come down right through the child and
• 47:59
  Speaker 1: through their brothers and sisters if there's multiple children, and
• 48:04
  Speaker 1: we see that cycle, and I see it, we all
• 48:10
  Speaker 1: have seen that. I think you know that the gist
• 48:13
  Speaker 1: at what I'm trying to get here, I know I'm rambling,
• 48:18
  Speaker 1: But then I.
• 48:18
  Speaker 2: Think about you that.
• 48:27
  Speaker 1: Not only are you a good person, a beautiful person,
• 48:32
  Speaker 1: but you were so committed to being that best mother
• 48:40
  Speaker 1: that you wanted to be for that one kid, totally
• 48:45
  Speaker 1: utterly devoted and committed. But that opportunity was interfered with
• 48:53
  Speaker 1: and taken from you from others that felt that they
• 49:01
  Speaker 1: knew better, yes, or that they had their the best
• 49:05
  Speaker 1: interest of your child more than you, And that's wrong. Yes,
• 49:16
  Speaker 1: there's plenty of people out there that.
• 49:21
  Speaker 2: Are just not.
• 49:24
  Speaker 1: They're not great parents. Let's just say it how it is.
• 49:28
  Speaker 1: And here's you willing, able, totally able to give love, support, encouragement, discipline, structure.
• 49:42
  Speaker 1: I could go on to your child that was stripped
• 49:47
  Speaker 1: from you. Yeah, there's so many things that we need
• 49:54
  Speaker 1: to do better in our state, our country, but here
• 49:59
  Speaker 1: in Vermont, this story has got to be brought more
• 50:06
  Speaker 1: to the surface. This situation with advocating for people with
• 50:16
  Speaker 1: disabilities to have that opportunity to be a great parent. Yes,
• 50:20
  Speaker 1: needs to not get dusted under the rug anymore. Whatever
• 50:27
  Speaker 1: this bill is, whatever you'll find out for me, what
• 50:30
  Speaker 1: the name of the bill is, the number of the bill,
• 50:33
  Speaker 1: all the details in this bill. Will that be introduced
• 50:36
  Speaker 1: to the legislature this winter?
• 50:39
  Speaker 3: Yes?
• 50:39
  Speaker 1: So well, okay, you're gonna get me the infro on
• 50:44
  Speaker 1: that bill. Yes, I'm gonna reach out to Connor again,
• 50:49
  Speaker 1: hopefully he'll come on the air with me.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: But we're gonna make sure as many of Vermnors know
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  Speaker 1: about this bill as possible, and we're gonna do all
• 50:59
  Speaker 1: we can here it aired out, and folks watching and
• 51:02
  Speaker 1: listening are gonna do all that they can to to
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  Speaker 1: read this bill, to understand this bill, and to push
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  Speaker 1: and advocate for all folks in Vermont with disabilities to
• 51:15
  Speaker 1: have the opportunity to be the great parent that they
• 51:18
  Speaker 1: can be.
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  Speaker 3: Yes.
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  Speaker 2: Next up.
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  Speaker 1: Is hopefully some more contact from April yes, you're gonna
• 51:33
  Speaker 1: let me know as you have in the past, and
• 51:38
  Speaker 1: we're gonna see what happens.
• 51:40
  Speaker 2: Yes, baby steps, Alice, baby Steps.
• 51:48
  Speaker 1: Your heart is full, so is mine, so is the
• 51:53
  Speaker 1: hearts of people watching and listening this morning here in
• 51:58
  Speaker 1: Montpellier and all around our state.
• 52:04
  Speaker 2: Please give this.
• 52:05
  Speaker 1: Lady love, encouragement and support with your comments. The sun
• 52:14
  Speaker 1: is bright. It's hard to see and read the comments
• 52:19
  Speaker 1: that are coming in right now with the camera being
• 52:24
  Speaker 1: so far away. But you're going to go back and
• 52:27
  Speaker 1: you're going to read all the comments on this and
• 52:35
  Speaker 1: if anyone wants to get in touch with you personally,
• 52:38
  Speaker 1: you'll have the opportunity through the comments here to put
• 52:41
  Speaker 1: your cell phone number down, your email address, whatever. But
• 52:45
  Speaker 1: you're on Facebook, on Facebook, Alice Golts, Yes, Alice gl
• 52:54
  Speaker 1: Tz Yes. Okay, let's get some contact, some more contact
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  Speaker 1: with you in April and let's get something something going
• 53:07
  Speaker 1: here in the next couple of months.
• 53:12
  Speaker 2: The texting is great. Yes, it's a start.
• 53:15
  Speaker 3: It's a start, but.
• 53:18
  Speaker 1: I think fair to say you would love to maybe
• 53:21
  Speaker 1: shift gears here and maybe have some face time with April.
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  Speaker 4: Yes, but I'm thankful. It's more than what I had before.
• 53:29
  Speaker 2: It's a lot more, Alice.
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  Speaker 4: So I just went out on faith and God walked
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  Speaker 4: right beside me.
• 53:40
  Speaker 1: Yep, she's eighteen years old now. Yes, she's her own person. Yes,
• 53:49
  Speaker 1: in the eyes of the law, she's an adult now,
• 53:55
  Speaker 1: she can make her own decisions independently. I'm hoping that
• 54:01
  Speaker 1: something will progress here for you on a on a
• 54:07
  Speaker 1: real personal level. I really do, Alice. That's why we're
• 54:11
  Speaker 1: doing this. That's why we're here today.
• 54:13
  Speaker 4: Thank you and thank you by everybody that's that's watching
• 54:17
  Speaker 4: this show.
• 54:22
  Speaker 2: Thanks'aul. With this lady some love. She needs it. God
• 54:31
  Speaker 2: bless you.
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  Speaker 4: M