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A Collection Of Skulls With BRANDON SALLER From ATREYU · HEAVY Music Interviews

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  So I'm Kira from Heavy Mag here today with Brandon from Middlecore Giants a trade.
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  So how are you doing today? Man? I like that intro.
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  I'm doing very well. Had to be done, had to be done,
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  So Tray, you were really busy. In twenty twenty three, you released
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  two EPs and a full length album, which is a mammoth undertaking. Why
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  did you guys decide to release so much material in that timeframe? I mean,
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  I think initially it came from obviously we were in the studio making an
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  album, and it came from our desire to want to sort of like figure
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  out a new method of release where more of the material, more of the
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  songs actually got like their day in the sun. You know what I mean,
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  because I feel like this this day and age, most people don't have
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  more than four and a half seconds of an attention span. So you get,
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  you know, the songs that are you know, the money behind,
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  or the singles or the ones that have videos get their kind of life shined
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  on them. And then there's seven songs that just hide in the dark for
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  a turn of We're not a band that believes in the concept of like B
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  sides are like filler so it's like we really put everything we have into every
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  song that gets released, so trying to figure out a way to kind of
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  shind more of a lap over the material, and then in doing so,
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  it's like, well, we don't just want to release the epiece with sake
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  of releasing EPs, so we wanted to get to and the concept sort of
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  just fell in our laps because conceptually, like the subject matter and the songs
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  kind of kept repeating itself, and the songs we're letting themselves to this sort
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  of like life cycle of like the kind of human condition and the different emotions
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  and different kind of like phases. It was a which he kind of go
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  through the low, the middle of the high that you kind of feels as
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  a human being, and then it starts over again, much as it does
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  in real life. So it kind of that once that fell in our lap,
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  it makes sense that that's how we wanted to do it. And it
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  was fun. It was like a cool, interesting remember for us, and
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  I think it kept a listener and kept the fans kind of excited because you
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  were getting your music like every few months, you know. Yeah, true,
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  very true, kind of fun. Yeah, I'm following on from that
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  I watched a YouTube session that you guys did and Porter explained the EP as
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  musical Tappers, Which is this like beautiful and fully comprehensive analogy that will stick
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  in my head for a long time because it does kind of feel like you
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  get to taste all the flavors and then it comes together at the end.
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  Do you feel the same, Like, is that how you kind of explain
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  the experience? Absolutely? Yeah, a hundred. Like you get you get
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  your you get the time to like experience the whole thing. Yeah, I
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  mean, and a twelve song album is kind of too much for people these
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  days for a lot of like the average listener is not not hanging on for
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  that long. I still love listening to an album. I love buying vinyl,
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  Like I can still sit and experience that, but a lot of people
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  can't. So when you give some of you know, four songs at a
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  time, like give you the opportunity to really, like like I said,
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  like focus on every song and like really dig in, and it's like it
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  is it is like top us. It's like you really get to savor and
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  enjoy each step of the meal rather than just someone setting like you know,
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  a twelve hours steak on your you know, on the plate with a baked
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  potato and veggies and you don't know what to do. It's too much food.
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  Yeah, so it really is. That's that's it. Or it was
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  spot on with the musical topas. Yeah, yeah, that was cool.
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  That definitely. It just explained it so well, that's something that'll stick in
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  my head. But I see these EPs forever now. I feel like I
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  just want to somehow only describe everything about our band for the rest of the
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  time. And food analogies. Yeah, my best to keep on that.
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  Look, that's easier for me to understand. I think that's something that everyone
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  will kind of get on board with. Yeah, and there's so much room
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  for merchandise there. Try you snacks, Oh yeah, yeah, absolutely so
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  you guys are hitting out, as he shows in a few weeks actually for
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  the first time since twenty twenty with Bad Love on your You Want Your Skulls
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  tour. What's something unique to Australia that you're excited to do everything? Everything?
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  We love Australia. So I've said this before, like without exaggerating,
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  Australia is like number one for our whole band, Like we all get so
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  excited every time we get to go and it's like vacation for us. It
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  kind of happened to also play shows. We've brought our families to Australia,
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  We've brought our wife to Australia, like we love it so so we're just
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  like, so it's been too long, like twenty twenties ages ago. So
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  for us, like we're we've been trying to get back for two years now.
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  Like it was literally one of the first conversations where it's like, okay,
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  like the world's opening their doors, let's start talking about tour. We're
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  like cool Australia first, Yeah, we going to Australia for us, like
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  it was a good it was. It was a good closer like for that
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  to be the last tour that we did for like two years, like at
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  least it was at least it was great. At least it was Australia.
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  You know, we had to go out on a high yeah, end on
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  a good note. Absolutely. Yeah. Now jumping over to the Beautiful Duck
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  of Life, which is aptly named by a clever little daughter I might ad
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  who maybe or may not be in the car with you right now. Awesome,
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  well done, this album is epic. Each song has its place and
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  it absolutely slaps tell me a little bit about the album, Like what does
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  that mean to you? I mean it was kind of a very cool like
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  I think that in the last couple of years the band uh became like a
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  bit of therapy for all of us. Yeah, I think for the first
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  time, like all of us were really like talking to each other about how
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  we felt. And like it wasn't like because the role like the kind of
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  like lyrical role and sort of like the everyone's role that elevated, and it
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  really forced us to kind of sit down and like we've always been there for
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  each other and been like friends for each other, but it really like kind
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  of us up to each other a lot more and we really kind of,
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  you know, without sounding like cheesy, like bared our souls to each other.
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  And there was no like I think a lot of us before before now
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  kept a lot of our personal stuff to our chest and like maybe didn't share
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  everything that was going on in our lives. And we really kind of started
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  to and just kind of like opened up about how we were doing and how
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  we were feeling. And it changed everything within the band. It changed it
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  changed how we felt about writing music. It changed how confident we were in
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  each other and then writing and everything. So I think that this record specifically
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  is kind of like hold held in like a high regard to all of us,
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  because it's I think one of the more personal things we've ever done as
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  a collective, you know, And it's to this day like our band operates
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  on a higher level because just on a personal level, like we're all that
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  door opened and it made a huge difference in the life of our band.
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  Yeah, oh that's awesome. And you can say, just in your later
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  videos today that you guys just spew positivity and gross together, like you see,
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  you're bouncing off each other. And I suppose that back when you guys
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  first started out, it wasn't that mentality to be able to spee your heart
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  out wasn't classified as cool or whatever you want to say it was, you
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  know, So that's a testament to you guys. Yeah, that's really cool,
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  and I think it's important too. I mean, we're we're you know,
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  we're five or five American men on the on the on the scope of
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  people in the world that haven't been a hard time, We're not very high
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  on the list. You know what I mean, but worst of human beings
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  and for men in general too, Like it's not it's still not okay to
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  like be a vulnerable grown man men have emotion or cry or be afraid of
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  things or or or have like self doubt or deal with anxiety or depression or
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  any of the things. So it was kind of like once the door opened
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  within ourselves where it was like, wow, this look goodness feels to just
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  talk. I've ever been to therapy in my life, but I felt like
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  I gained the same things I would in therapy by talking to my brothers in
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  a recording studio, you know what I mean. Absolutely, Yeah, So
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  it's definitely something that we're trying to push and like we are five, Like
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  we're a positive band. If you meet us, like there's no fucking grumps
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  in our band, there's no We're having a fucking great time. We're loving,
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  loving in the band. Like you see us live as you get it,
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  Like I always say, like, oh you listen to our band and
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  you like our band, that's great. Come see us live to really understand
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  like who the fuck we are and really like you'll you'll feel, you'll feel
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  yourself in us. You'll see yourself in us. We're just happy to go
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  lucky dudes, and and I think that that has more recently come from being
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  elevated because we just are that open to each other. And it's so important
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  that someone that yourself is saying that, because you're setting an example for generations
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  that are coming up to be able to go, well fuck if they can
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  do what I can too. Yeah, yeah, I mean that's the truth.
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  That's the truth. Like I said, we're just dudes, like we've
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  we've the age of the age of mystique and power in bands and musicians is
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  fucking gone. Like everyone's on everyone's on Instagram, dude, and if you're
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  not whatever, yeah, like you know, still you got but you get
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  boogers too, man. Like we're yeah, like we're fucking we're we're dudes
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  that we're lucky enough to find each other and create art that was good enough
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  to make a career out of, you know what I mean. It's like,
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  but like we're just people like you guys could do this ship too,
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  Like you know, we just we just put everything we had to do it.
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  So it's I I'm losing my train of thought. We're just on this
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  wave of positivity. This is good. Yeah, I love it. I
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  think this first thing in the morning. I guess what time is it where
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  you are. It's about four thirty in the afternoon, thoroughly evening. Yeap,
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  nice, It's almost nine in the morning here, So you put my
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  day on a good start. This is good. I'm going to write it
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  all away. So in twenty twenty eight, a trayer is going to be
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  celebrating thirty years like which is I know it's massive, and it's just something
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  that the person that's ever the first person that's ever fast forwarded. Oh sorry,
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  I'm all about the future. You've got to be worldly, you know.
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  But you guys thought you should be so proud of what you've accomplished,
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  and you've been such a solid unit throughout the years. So I guess you've
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  kind of touched on what the secret is to keeping that together, which is
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  your brotherhood, and what you've been through together and what you've done. What
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  advice would you give your younger self or what advice do you wish that you
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  received when you're first starting out. I think that it's crazy because I don't
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  think I got tons of it. Like we've a lot of we really had
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  figure out on our own because we we weren't like even when we had our
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  first kind of wave of like popularity, like we were not the We were
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  not the darlings of the world. Like people fucking hated us. Like even
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  when we like we started selling out shows and selling records, it was like
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  there were so many people that were like no, no, no, but
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  fuck you guys. Also, you know what I mean, So like there
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  wasn't terns of like kind of like older peers or are our kind of like
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  you know, bigger bands that were like, you know, let me show
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  you the ropes kid. You know, so we kind of had to figure
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  out a lot by ourselves. We made a lot of mistakes when we were
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  coming up. We made a lot of mistakes, which is like you know,
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  spending double amounts of money on things we didn't need, and like the
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  way we approached different things within the band, and you know, I think
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  that are our biggest kind of valuable lesson that we always still stick to is
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  just like we have to love this. We had to love every step with
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  the love love the music we're making. We have to like be absolutely in
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  love with what we're doing. We have to love playing shows and love being
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  on tour. We have to be happy with each other or else or else
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  it's wrong. It's when it stops being that, then it's no longer the
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  magic's going, you know what I mean. So I think that's been our
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  kind of number one is just like there's number two, trying not to drop
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  your phone during interviews. No, but that's kind of been our Our number
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  one is it's like, make sure that we love this and if if it's
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  if it's too much or we're burning out, or we need breaks or you
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  know, like oh you need time today and you don't want to talk to
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  people because you need some times like do what everyone needs to do to make
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  sure that we're here for the right reason. Yeah, yeah, that's absolutely
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  it's I think since we've been you know, late teenagers, early twenties,
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  and like since our first wave of success, I think that's what's resonating now
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  again, is that I think that in our heads, it's like we feel
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  the same things we felt when we were like teenagers and like our band was
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  getting big for the first time and it was like holy shit, like this
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  is actually happening. I think that that same energy is kind of running through
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  us right now. And I think that's why people it's resonating with people,
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  that there's like this is real, Like I don't know. I think that
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  it's it's making it's connecting to people because it's like a I don't know,
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  there's something like youthful that we feel. And that's weird coming from a forty
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  year old dude. That is, you know, currently dropping my kids off
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  to girl scouts. I feel like in here and on stage in the studio,
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  like I think we feel like fucking teenagers. Yeah, you know.
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  And you guys you keep it lighthearted, like even your film clips. You're
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  not afraid to take the piss out of yourself like that forever more film clips.
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  I love that that moment where you and Dan are just like standing in
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  the middle and there's no music, and you guys like, this is great.
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  You can have me in stitches. But that's just like a perfect example.
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  You guys are happy to do what my did you feel good and just
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  yeah, go with your hot yeah yeah. The The weird thing is that
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  we keep coming up with these like ridiculous drunk ideas and then one day and
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  then one day there's a camera there and we're actually filming them, and we're
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  like, this is actually happening. Love it. Let me throw my daughter
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  in a pool. Paint abs on my stomach, and let's throw my daughter.
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  Bring it to fruition exactly. If you if you could time travel right
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  now and go back to any Atray era, what would it be? Man,
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  that's so tough. I feel I feel like there's two ye I feel
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  like I would have gone, I'll go back to the curse just to feel
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  that that thing for the first time again, you know, because like,
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  although I'm saying it's like we're in that same energy right now, there's nothing
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  like the first time you taste that, you know what I mean. It's
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  like foxing Heroin. You know. I've never done Heroin, so I don't
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  know what that feels like, but we like it's one of those things where
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  like I would love to kind of more approach and see that whole era for
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  more of a bird's eye view, and then like maybe focus on some different
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  things or I don't know, maybe I don't know what I would have did
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  different, and then I would I would go back to lead sales again,
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  because I think that there was such a mixed emotion within our band. When
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  we put out that album, I was it was my favorite thing we had
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  ever done. It still is in my top favorite records we've ever created.
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  For me, it was like the first time a producer like put me on,
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  like I felt like he put me on like a pedestal, Like I
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  was like, it was the first record where I really felt important. And
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  I think that, like I felt like what we were doing was like so
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  different and fresh and important. And then it came out, and of course
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  it was polarizing, so it was literally fifty to fifty of like, Okay,
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  half the people want to murder us for this album, and then half
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  the people are like they're on board and they're loving it. It's hard,
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  it's hard to kind of discern what was winning, you know. And I
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  think it took years. It took us going away. I remember we went
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  on hiatus and we came back and we were like, oh, you know,
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  like let's give people the old shit. Like we came back and made
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  Long Live and like, well, let's try to get people the old shit.
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  Let's write some heavy shit. That's what they want. They want the
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  curse. They want the curse. Let's give them some fucking old shit,
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  and then we started touring again and everyone would just want to lead sales,
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  and I was like, wait, I thought that that was the one that
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  we got shipped for back in the day, And if I could again relive
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  that and like try and I think, make myself and even the rest of
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  the band realize the good that was happening from it, you know what I
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  mean? It was hard to get away from the bad I mean. And
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  don't get me wrong, like some of the stuff we did on that album
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  cycle was insane, Like we did like direct support or like almost you know,
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  it was like direct support on main stage for Family Values tours, like
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  Corning Evan Essence, we did, like you know, pace the Chaos with
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  the vands. We did like Arena and amphitheater tours. Like most of that
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  touring cycle, it was like the biggest ship we've ever done, and like
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  radio existed all of a sudden, So like, you know, but I
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  would love to go back and experience that with a little bit of a different
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  lens. Yeah, you know, Oh that's so cool. I honestly put
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  down I was like, what would I want to revisit if I was them?
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  And I put down the Curse and lead Soiles as well. Ye,
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  because honestly he shouted my world when that was released. I just, yeah,
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  what I think I think the rest of it. I'm like, I
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  really like, you know, suicide notes, we were I was fucking a
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  child that was a straight of a child. I was seventeen. I turned
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  eighteen on tour like I was. I was. I was a kid in
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  a van, like not knowing what the fuck I was doing, living off
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  of like six bucks a day, like eating fucking you know. So I
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  was like, oh, I remember that shit, like I fully lived that,
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  you know what I mean. It's like when you start to get a
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  little bit more comfortable and things start going good, it's like almost that that's
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  when it becomes a little bit more blurry, you know. It's like it'd
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  be cool to go relive those moments. Yep, speaking of blurry, I
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  want to take you back to the Avenge sevenfold, both my Valentine Try you
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  tour of two thousand and eight. Now, I've I never heard thinking about
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  it. I've reamed you guys got absolutely fucked and obliterated. Like I can
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  only piece you guys together and imagine what you come up with is this far
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  from the choice and do you have any stories you can tell me now the
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  kids are out of the car. Fucking absolutely true. That was the most
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  drunk I've ever been on any tour in my life. I mean the Evenge
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  the Avenge dudes are still like some of mine of my wife's best friends to
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  this day, and that was kind of like not new in our friendship,
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  but like the first couple of years of our friendship maybe. And we had
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  also toured with the Bullet Dudes a handful of times, and we just the
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  problem is when you tour in the States, it's like everyone's on their own
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  bus, everyone's in their own dressing rooms kind of thing. You don't get
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  like a bit of your a little bit of separation, you know what I
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  mean. When we toured in Australia, it's like we're all in the same
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  fucking hotel, everyone's at the same locking bar. You're in the same flight
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  every day, the same bus to the same flight. I remember every morning
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  it was like it was like the Terror twins, like Jimmy and Johnny from
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  Avenge would like come on the bus. Jimmy's like singing opera at the top
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  of his lungs at like seven in the morning. Half the bus is like
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  not into it. Half the bus is really into it, like you know,
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  like it was just chaos. Like I remember one of the shows,
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  one of the last shows was in New Zealand and it was like we're in
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  the lobby bar and it was like cool guys were closed and there was like
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  thirty of us in there, and I was like, no, you're not.
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  And the bar just ended up staying open because we wouldn't leave. It
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  was just like then of like we'll let you know when you're closed. I
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  think Johnny might have I think Johnny and Jimmy might have emptied the mini bar
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  and stabbed the bottles into the wall in the room. It was a beautiful,
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  a beautiful time, beautiful time. Everything that you could imagine was real.
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  Yeah, And it was like, you know, like that showed Cheers.
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  It's like that if you don't know, I'm familiar with you, that
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  show Cheers from like the seventies eighty. It's like you just like you know,
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  if you went to the bar, you went to Cheers, you're gonna
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  run into people, you know. That was like it would be a day
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  off and it'd be like eight thirty nine. Like, I don't know what's
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  gonna happen tonight, but I bet if I go to the lobby bar,
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  someone's gonna have me a drink and it's gonna do something somewhere, it's gonna
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  be down there. Like, yeah, it was, it was, it
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  was rough. We still we still like that goes down in history for I
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  think all three bands is one of the most blurry, painful tours. Oh
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  love it. Yeah, it was only like a week and a half long.
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  Yeah, if you can't, I'm surprised you remember it. I want
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  to do it again, to be honest, probably talk about it. We
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  should do that same tour again, can you plase? Actually that would be
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  good. The challenge awesome challenge. So you just announced I think a couple
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  of hours ago. Actually you're on the lineup for Rockfast, which is ironically
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  head on by the country superstar Jelly Roll. Jelly Roll can go anywhere he
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  wants to dominate. He is he is omnipotent, like he can go,
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  he can he can do a wrong. Yeah, no kidding, he's literally
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  it's just yeah, yeah, it's gold. There's some huge names on that
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  line up, yet bend you stoked to be sharing the stage with or was
• 22:11
  there something that you have before and you can't wait to see him again,
• 22:12
  or you know, I'm I'm stoked because we always play. We always get
• 22:18
  on festivals with Shine Down, and we never play the day of Shine Down,
• 22:22
  and like, those are homies and I never like I've seen them when
• 22:26
  we go to their shows. We never play the same day as then,
• 22:27
  So really stoked for that. I think we're on the same day as Parkway,
• 22:33
  which will be sick cool. I've I've I've never seen them before.
• 22:37
  We were like I saw him back. We did like what was it called
• 22:42
  what was it called some festival in Australia No Sleep Too sleep till I remember
• 22:48
  because you gypped person and I lived in person at the time, and I
• 22:51
  was like, I finally get to see a tray you and you didn't come
• 22:52
  to Perth. That one wasn't our fault, but we the time I saw
• 23:00
  them live was like in that era where they were like oh like it was
• 23:06
  like more they were like served out and yeah, yeah of their manitude yet
• 23:10
  so I haven't seen like the modern day gargantu win that is Parkway. So
• 23:15
  I'm excited for that for sure too. We're never on the Bear Tree day
• 23:19
  either. Oh and I always love hanging with those dudes, so nice.
• 23:25
  All right, Well, it's no bloody secret that I absolutely love you guys.
• 23:27
  I've followed you from day dark. Literally I've lost my voice trying to
• 23:30
  catch up with you singing in my car on the way to work. And
• 23:33
  I don't think there's honestly been a week you guys haven't played in my house
• 23:37
  or car or anything like that. So I'll be fun and sent out on
• 23:40
  Brisbane because I actually haven't seen you guys yet, so I'm so fucking excited.
• 23:44
  I'll be there. Oh oh yeah, but everyone can get tickets for
• 23:48
  me. They're Silverback Touring dot com dot au or Treyofficial dot com and you'll
• 23:52
  be here as of the seventeenth of fem starting in path. Do not wait,
• 23:56
  because the last time we were in Australia, people waited and it was
• 24:00
  a bummer for them, and most of those last shows sold out, and
• 24:03
  I want all the same to happen as times, but I don't want you
• 24:07
  people to be disappointed. Yeah, so we'll get your tickets now. If
• 24:10
  you heard him, folks, get in there alright, Thank you so much
• 24:12
  man. That was an absolute pleasure. It was so good to make you
• 24:15
  sure. Thanks thanks for having with you in Brisbane. Absolutely enjoy the rest
• 24:19
  of you day. Bye bye, all right.