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Trafficked to the White House, Cathy O'Brien Exposes 30 Years of CIA MK Ultra | SURVIVOR STORIES EP2 · Man in America Podcast

• 0:13
  Seth Holehouse: Welcome to Man in America, a voice of reason in a world gone mad. I'm your host, Seth Hulghouse. Thank you for joining me for this episode in my survivor story series. You know, after the first two episodes of this series, something kept showing up in the comments that I found kind of interesting. People were saying that they went in looking for reasons not to believe what these guests were saying.
• 0:38
  And, honestly, I think it's a natural response. Nobody wants this stuff to be true. But what they kept saying was that the more they listened, the more they couldn't find the holes they were looking for. The details were just too specific. Too much of it lined up with things that we can already verify.
• 0:55
  And they came out on the other side convinced, which says a lot about the experiences of these survivors in the series. And I think my guest today is gonna have that same effect on you. If you've spent any real time looking into MK ULTRA, the stories of people who've survived that program, there's a good chance that you already know her name. She's probably the most well known survivor to speak publicly about what was done to her, and she's been speaking out for about thirty five years. She escaped a system that so many others couldn't, and she spent years helping these other survivors to heal themselves.
• 1:32
  She's written books that are considered foundational in this field. Those books are well known to a lot of you that are watching, but I genuinely believe that they should be far more widely known than they actually are. And so I hope this interview helps with that. Maybe by now you've guessed who I'm talking with today. It's Kathy O'Brien.
• 1:50
  Now before we get into this discussion, I wanna take a minute just to prepare you for what you're about to hear. Even if you've heard Kathy speak before or if you've heard other survivors' stories, this never is easy material to kinda sit with, especially for people who are kind, who love their family, and have children they love and take care of her. I guess people with a soul. Right? Cathy was born into a multigenerational incest based family, and she was being trafficked to a secret society and different kinds of groups from a very young age.
• 2:23
  Her father was caught distributing child pornography with her through The US mail, And after that, instead of facing prosecution, he was offered a deal, a deal of immunity in exchange for selling his daughter, Kathy, into the CIA's MK Ultra mind control program. And from that point on, Kathy's life was no longer her own. She was programmed, trafficked, tortured, even used as a covert asset at the White House and Pentagon level for the next couple of decades. Now I know it's a lot to take in, but don't take my word for it, and don't even take Kathy's word for it. Go look it up.
• 3:00
  The CIA's MK Ultra files have been declassified. You've got thousands of pages sitting there available to anyone that's willing to read them. Kathy's 1995 congressional testimony was not dismissed or debunked. It was placed under national security. She named presidents, senators, senior intelligence officials by name publicly for decades, but no one has ever sued her.
• 3:23
  There's not a single defamation case. Think about what that tells you because the one place these people clearly don't want to go is a courtroom where there's discovery, where there's witnesses, and where the evidence has a way of coming out. In this conversation, Kathy talks about something that I don't think gets nearly enough attention. The fact that she hasn't just survived this, but she's dedicated her life to helping others find their way out of it too. Countless, countless survivors have come forward over the years, and in a large part, it's because of her work, her books, and her willingness to keep speaking publicly that those others found the courage and the tools to begin healing.
• 4:01
  And so she's now as active as she's ever been. And what I found especially striking in this conversation with her is that her perspective on where we are at now as a society because Kathy, she genuinely believes and she makes a compelling case for why. She believes that the entire system that's been used to control and exploit people for generations is on the verge of collapsing. And so coming from someone who's seen that system from the inside at its very highest levels, it's not a small thing to say. Now I do wanna flag something.
• 4:33
  You may notice that there's some Internet connections, on Kathy's end during parts of this interview. So we had to do a little bit of editing to account for this, but that's all that we did. You'll still be able to get really the whole thing. No problem. I just wanna give you a little bit of heads up on that.
• 4:47
  And finally, this isn't light content. It's not for kids. Like, no kids should be shown this. And just keep in mind that if you're someone who has been through trauma based abuse or programming, just please be careful because this conversation could bring things up that you weren't expecting. And if you do have that past, I recommend you check out Kathy's work and reach out to her because she can help walk you through that and help you to heal.
• 5:12
  So just take that seriously. So if you're ready, let's go. This is my interview with Kathy O'Brien, who is the second guest in my survivor stories series. Kathy O'Brien, it is such an honor to have you back on the show. It's been quite some time, and I just thank you for giving us your time today.
• 5:35
  We're really looking forward to this discussion with you.
• 5:38
  Cathy O'Brien: Thank you for having me on. I'm really excited to be part of the Survivor Series you've got going right now. You're bringing so much truth to light. And, it's an absolute pleasure and an honor to be here.
• 5:51
  Seth Holehouse: Well, thank you. And even it was interesting because the whole kind of idea for the Survivor Series, a lot of it really kind of came out of the Epstein files, which, you know, for me, wasn't a lot of new information, but for a lot of people, it was. And what I could see, though, is that it opened a lot of people up just to the general idea that there are some pretty bad people running the world, right, to kind of oversimplify it. And of all the research that I've done on what things look like behind the curtain, it's the people that were the survivors of that system that have been able to give what I find to be the most accurate and detailed information that, you know, you can read Committee of 300, you can read Behold a Pale Horse, and those are all really helpful. But those are, in a lot of ways, from the outside looking in.
• 6:40
  And so I think it's a really important opportunity for us to help get this information out and help people realize just the level of control that is being put upon this world and also understand how to escape that control.
• 6:55
  Cathy O'Brien: Absolutely. Knowledge is our defense against mind control. And ultimately, mind control is being used to make us all compliant with a globalist agenda that we never would comply with otherwise. And so, that's why I've been speaking out for over thirty five years on MKUltra Mind Control and healing from it, so that people understand what in the world is going on. You know, being born into a multigenerational incest based family and trafficked as a little bitty toddler to my grandfather's Blue Masonic Lodge and then later to the Epstein Island of its time, Mackinac Island, Michigan.
• 7:41
  It's like I've waited a lifetime for information to come out on the mind control, the child sex trafficking, the blackmail operations, and all that. Finally, here we are, all these years later, and the Epstein files are finally opening people's minds to the reality that's been going on my whole life. In that timeframe, child sex trafficking has become one of the most lucrative businesses in the world, if not in all of history. How in the world did that happen? Mind control.
• 8:20
  And that's why I keep speaking out.
• 8:23
  Seth Holehouse: Which is so important because it's as a society, we can't protect our children. History shows us what happens to societies that don't protect the children, but in fact, abuse and harm and sacrifice, you know, the children. I mean, it's there's so many lessons. And so, now, before we get into some of the details, I just want to ask you a question, because one thing that I see when we're looking at helping people to access this information, you say, What are the different barriers they have? And, you know, one part that I see is that people will say, well, you know, people that are coming out and speaking and saying that they're MK Ultra victims or whatever, they're saying, I think that those are mostly implanted memories.
• 9:05
  Right? They're saying that, okay, maybe they're implanted memories, and you can't trust that information. Now, for me, I've learned to trust it because I've done so much research, and I see the patterns that line up that you can once you see the kind of infrastructure and the patterns, it's very easy to look at something and see if it fits in. But for people that are new to this information, I find that that's oftentimes one of the big hurdles that I see, right? That it makes it easy to dismiss.
• 9:32
  And so, obviously, you have a lot of memories. And so how would you respond to that? If someone says, Well, I'm not sure if I can trust you for this reason, how would you address that?
• 9:42
  Cathy O'Brien: Well, it's so important that survivors heal from within themselves, because we have been blessed with resiliency of body, mind and spirit. We have been equipped with the ability to overcome whatever life puts in our path. Because what happens to us in life isn't who we are. Who we are is within divinely protected. And so many survivors are being misled by bad therapy, because they're still highly suggestible, speaking out too soon.
• 10:17
  You got to be absolute, strong in who you are, aligned with that divine within, have that absolute rudder of truth in order to navigate speaking out. So, I encourage survivors everywhere, and that's my main focus these days, and I'm so busy doing it with so many survivors coming out, yes, to be able to empower them to heal from within themselves, and stop looking outside themselves for information because they're going to get led astray. And I also encourage people everywhere to research MK Ultra for themselves now, the information's out there. The documents have been declassified now. The CIA MK Ultra files have been declassified for over a year, and unredacted thousands of pages.
• 11:06
  So, if you're hearing something from a survivor that you don't believe, research it, check it out. And I've encouraged people to do that with me all these years, because in spite of my testimony being validated by clean members of intelligence, law enforcement, Secret Service and everything with evidences, national security invoked on it because of the absolute fact of it. I encourage people research it further. Because the more you know, the more you see how absolutely inexcusable it is that mind control has reached this point. This mind manipulation has reached this point where people are complacent about sexualization of children, which is extreme trauma based.
• 11:52
  The pedophile agenda is a mind control agenda, and yet people have been manipulated and conditioned. So in essence, we all need to wake up. We all need to learn to think further. And in that process, research, research, the information's out there, truth is out there. The more you know, the more you see that we have all the power, and these perpetrators only have as much power as we give them or let them steal.
• 12:21
  Seth Holehouse: That's such a good point. And one thing that you're saying about your process of helping others and more people coming forward, well, you know, my previous interview on this series was JR Sweet. And in talking to him, for him, his memories didn't start coming back until around 2017. And he specifically told me that it was finding your book, which was Transformation of America, I believe is was that the title of the book, right?
• 12:48
  Cathy O'Brien: Yes, that's my testimony.
• 12:50
  Seth Holehouse: Yeah. So it was finding your book and then finding you that helped him. Like, you helped him on his healing journey. And so now he's to a place where he's got his blog, he's running, he's doing interviews, and you can see he's going through that that process. And one other thing, I guess, I'll point out is thought of as well is that if anybody's saying, well, how do you know these people aren't lying?
• 13:10
  Well, a lot of people, I know you have, and I know JR did on his interview, you're naming names. I've never seen kind of successful lawsuit for defamation or libel. And that's the thing is that if someone's coming out and saying, Yes, this former president who's still late, leave, you know, still alive, abused me as a child, and you don't see a court case saying, Hey, this person's making it up. A lot of times, that's one of the ways that you can say there's probably some truth there, because I bet that person wouldn't want to get into a court case where you have discovery, witness testimony, etc. Right?
• 13:47
  Cathy O'Brien: Right. Exactly. And with national security on my case, that keeps me from ever seeing any conventional justice. And to me, the ultimate justice is positive change through public awareness. And I really appreciate you raising the awareness and giving voice to survivors and realizing that as they're dealing with their past, it takes time to be able to process all of that and move into the future.
• 14:20
  And ultimately, is what I'm helpful with survivors most, is to drop the victim mentality. We survived it. We remembered. That's revenge in itself. That's a justice in itself to remember and tell.
• 14:36
  And to have all that is phenomenal, but we need to live our life's purpose. Everyone is here at this pivotal moment in humanity's history right now for a purpose, and we need to remember who we are, why we're here, what that purpose is, to align with the divine within, gather the strength of the human spirit, the infinite power of love, and live that purpose. And by doing that, we bring joy back to life, hope back to survivors to realize that we don't have to live in that dark space forever. We have been blessed with miracles around us at all times, and we need to start opening our eyes to that. We all do.
• 15:22
  People have forgotten. They've been bombarded with so much negativity that they've forgotten the beauty and the miracles of life. So, ultimately, we all need to be remembering that and survivors are really blazing that path forward for everyone.
• 15:41
  Seth Holehouse: Exactly. And so let's start just with your story. And you gave us a little bit of it, but walk us through just your journey of some of the things that you went through and how you came out on the other side of that. Let's just start there.
• 15:57
  Cathy O'Brien: Yes. My father was sexually and ritually abused, and was sexually abusing me. My mother was sexually abused and being trafficked to my grandfather's Blue Masonic Lodge. These secret societies where these perpetrators meet in secret, their secret is how to manipulate the minds of the population and put themselves in positions of power and influence. They have the information on mind control, and they use blackmail operations.
• 16:33
  They call it initiations, to hold each other in line because these perpetrators don't trust each other either. So they hold each other by the blackmail, so to speak. So my father's sexual abuse began in infancy before I could think to know what he was doing was wrong. But my brain knew. It's the way our brains respond to trauma.
• 16:56
  My brain knew I was enduring pain and suffocation, shut down neuron pathways around that trauma, repressed it deep into the subconscious mind, so the rest of the mind could develop and function normally. This is dissociative identity disorder. It's the mind's sane defense to trauma too horrible to comprehend. As an infant? I had no comprehension of that.
• 17:21
  There was no way to comprehend that. And it had been found in Hitler Himmler research that the formula for mind control came into The US with Project Paperclip. And I encourage everyone, research that for yourself. And when we imported the Nazi and fascist scientists into The US in the wake of World War II, with them came the formula for mind control. And that formula is the same, whether it's of an individual, a nation, a classroom, a military, the world, trauma is the basis of it.
• 17:56
  And it had been found in the Hitler Himmler research, there's no trauma more horrific on the human mind than sexual abuse of a child prior to age five while the brain is still forming. Because when that trauma occurs and shuts down neuron pathways, and while the brain is still forming, it creates a heightened suggestibility for a lifetime. And that's what they're wanting is a compliant society, children that will do exactly what they're told to do, And the neuron pathways in my brain were shutting down from infancy, and that's just what they wanted. My father's sexual abuse extended into child pornography. When he was caught sending child pornography of me through The US mails.
• 18:43
  He was approached by a local politician that I was being trafficked to over at my grandfather's Blue Masonic Lodge. This was in Muskegon, Michigan, right around 1960, when this local politician told my father he could receive immunity from prosecution if he would sell me into the CIA's MK Ultra Mind Control Project. My father sold me into the project. I mean, that's horrific enough. But look at how long our justice system has been corrupted to allow for the proliferation of pedophilia.
• 19:22
  National security was invoked on the case. My father went free. And then he went on to receive lucrative military contracts. He got wealthy selling me into MK Ultra. And that local politician was Gerald Ford, as his political career escalated to becoming elected president of The United States.
• 19:43
  So too did my victimization in MKUltra mind control until I was used on a White House Pentagon level, deep in the swamp among these perpetrators that steal elections, use drug and human trafficking across open borders to fund their globalist agenda, and who are using mind control to usher in what Adolf Hitler first termed New World Order. Of course, George Bush told us he was leading us into the New World Order. Joe Biden said it. These self appointed, self anointed global leaders have said it. But then they also call it Great Reset, Agenda 2030.
• 20:24
  They have different names. The point is, it's a slave society agenda, and humanity is being undermined and targeted, especially through the children, because the children are most vulnerable. And the sexualization of children, the pedophile agenda, is a mind control agenda to create a heightened suggestibility and compliant attitude. As my brain experienced more and more and more trauma, especially after I was sold into the project, I was subjected to ritual abuse within my Catholic church. I was tortured and programmed on NASA, DARPA, and military installations to carry out the bidding of perpetrators.
• 21:15
  I was prostituted, trafficked, raped at Mackinac Island, Michigan, which was the Epstein Island of its time, where these global perpetrators would meet in secret and decide the fate of humanity, and how they could manipulate the minds of the masses through infiltrating so many sacred aspects of society, like our education system in the churches and so many other aspects. So, having been a victim of MK Ultra around these perpetrators, I witnessed and experienced much of what was going on the first thirty years of my life were totally saturated with abuse, corruption, and exposure to these perpetrators.
• 22:10
  Seth Holehouse: So so okay. So you basically, from an early age, were kinda sold into this program, and that was really run by the government. And that's that's the kind of frightening thing is I think that there's a process that, you know, people will go through that you realize, okay, maybe the government's corrupt, maybe the politicians are doing insider trading, maybe they're doing backroom deals, or maybe there's some blackmail. But it's a whole another process of understanding to start to grasp that these kinds of activities are happening at what you could almost say are the highest levels and and at the deepest, darkest levels of our actual government itself. Like, it's not some fringe part of the government.
• 22:53
  It's not some rogue military commander working with a CIA agent. Right? I mean, is it kind of in the DNA of the system at this point?
• 23:02
  Cathy O'Brien: It has been for generations now. And having been thrust into the project by Joe and experience his rise in politics gave me deep insight into what was going on because Gerald Ford was the one who covered up the Kennedy assassination. The Kennedy assassination is when these global perpetrators took control of America. And that is when Kennedy was telling everyone that we needed to scatter the CIA into a thousand pieces because the CFR in 1947, right along with the National Security Act, the National Security Act was in place to cover up this globalist agenda for using mind control and trauma in a population. And the CIA was formed to carry it out.
• 23:57
  So, they were corrupt right from the get go, and Kennedy was trying to get rid of that. Well, Gerald Ford, when Kennedy was assassinated, traumatized the nation, trauma pathways in the brain. It causes the conscious mind to freeze in fright, and leaves the subconscious wide open to be easily led and manipulated. So that's why we're experiencing trauma after trauma. When we understand that, we don't comply.
• 24:29
  We protect our free thought. Knowledge is our defense against mind control. The Kennedy assassination was horrific, traumatized the nation. Warren is the one who covered it up. And because he covered it up with the Warren Commission, and gave us that one bullet theory, he was awarded the presidency.
• 24:52
  And we look at Ford's cabinet, he had George Bush, senior to head the CIA, who's told us he was ushering in a new world order. He had Dick Cheney, who is absolutely the most torturous MK Ultra programmer that I've ever encountered. Had Jack Valeni, head of the Motion Picture Association of America to tell people what to think and what to believe. Anyone questioning the media, repetitive narrative, repetition is the most basic form of mind control. Anyone questioning that repetitive narrative was called a conspiracy theorist, and people were then shamed for questioning media narrative with Jack Valeni.
• 25:41
  He had Donald Rumsfeld, who gave us aspartame, the artificial sweetener that stops critical analysis free thought in the brain. The first time our food was just thoroughly tainted. But the components of mind control are trauma, of course, and then water deprivation. And we consider that people work nine to five, five to nine to put food on the table that's genetically altered and bio engineered to starve our brains, firing properly. Again, mind control shuts it down.
• 26:17
  We need our brains firing properly, but they're using tainting our food to starve our brains, and of course, the fluoride in the water, all that coming into being. And then we look further into Ford's cabinet, and we find Nelson Rockefeller, and Henry Kissinger. And anyone can research for themselves. Gerald Ford, Henry Kissinger came up with the first depopulation agenda, and you can still research that. The information is just right there for anybody who thinks to ask the question.
• 26:54
  So the stage was being set. And additionally, the electronic voting machines right in the wake of the Kennedy assassination, they were rigged since their inception. These perpetrators that I was around about, they knew they were going to be placed through the rigged electronic algorithm and the voting machines, follow them on the voting machines before demanding it was Diebold, and it goes straight to George Bush and Dick Cheney. They made sure that they were always in positions of power and influence, and that those who were ushering in this globalist agenda were put in place. So, that was such a pivotal point of seeing how deep the corruption runs.
• 27:40
  And it was a first being right there in person witnessing how all this was being set up. And so, it gave me deep insight into how this corruption has been structured for such a long time and infiltrating the highest levels of government.
• 28:00
  Seth Holehouse: And so one term that's oftentimes used with this is the word asset, which is an interesting thing to think about, right? You think of an asset as, right, a car or, you know, some precious metals or some money as an asset, but, you know, you they also use that in the term of a CIA asset, right? Which is, you know, it's very common knowledge. And so you became an asset of these agencies. And what were the functions that you performed?
• 28:28
  Like, how is it that how were you used to advance the goals and agendas of these agencies?
• 28:36
  Cathy O'Brien: My owner in MKUltra Mind Control was US Senator Robert C. Byrd. He became my owner when I was 13 years old. It was at Mackinac Island, Michigan, where the Governor's Mansion is located. Romney was governor, then Mitt Romney's father.
• 28:55
  But as my owner, he decided who I would be prostituted to and when, what black ops I would be used in for. And I was used extensively in the CIA cocaine and heroin operations, the drug and human trafficking across the open borders, those kinds of criminal activities. Also, state governments to participate in the global education program, which is common core. It's the indoctrination of children. It's teaching them what to think rather than how to think, create a compliant society and further sexualize the children.
• 29:39
  So that was being put into place. Senator Byrd was head of appropriations and he delegated funding. So, he made sure that all the states became reliant on federal funding so that the system could be taken over on a federal level. And so, that's how they did that. So, I was used in those kinds of capacities.
• 30:01
  All the ways, the different operations I was used in, as in my 1995 testimony for Congress transformation of America. So, there's quite a few operations that I was used in and exposed to, including the Clinton operations in Haiti, which was absolutely horrific. And through Madeleine Albright's OAS office, the Organization of American States, how she was setting up Caribbean operations for the drug and human trafficking, the child sex trafficking, the child sex trafficking and harvesting that was coming out of Haiti. Her office, St. Thomas, US Virgin Islands, right next to where Epstein Island is, and was setting up the basis for that.
• 30:53
  So, Epstein operations have been going on a long time. I've seen the ground where the roots of corruption are planted. Another aspect was Senator Byrd had an office in the FBI building in Washington DC, where he was setting up the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children as a catch net operation for child sex trafficking. And anybody can research into that and see that Hunter Biden was given the honorary of what is with these people. We got to understand that this is not a number we want to call when we see abused children because they're going to be thrust into so called child protective services trafficked further.
• 31:44
  It's how they're keeping their moneymaker going, and it permeates our system so horrifically that I don't know how we can clean it up in time for the children. We've got difference outside that system because the system's just too corrupt. It's going to take too long to clean it up, and the children need us to wake up now and protect them now. Because now, that child sex trafficking, like I said, is the most lucrative business in the world. We got to stop it.
• 32:14
  It's up to us.
• 32:15
  Seth Holehouse: And so you mentioned, Haiti. And I know that Haiti, if you look into it, there's a lot of really bad things that are happening there, especially surrounding the earthquake and a lot of the relief and aid stuff that was happening there. So what what was your involvement? What did you witness happening? Like, what was the underground operation happening in Haiti specifically?
• 32:34
  Because for a lot of Americans, they remember, especially the earthquake, they remember a lot of this and and seeing all the footage of the desolate cities and torn down areas and children on the streets. But what was happening beneath the surface there that you were experiencing?
• 32:50
  Cathy O'Brien: Yes, I was in Haiti repeatedly and witnessed and experienced much of the setup for the child sex trafficking and harvesting that was going on in Haiti. The Isle Of Hispaniola is a small island and it's divided in half. You got the Dominican Republic side of the island, and then you got Haiti. And Haiti is like the petri dish of the CIA where they do all their experiments. That's where the AIDS virus was first introduced through the vaccines in Haiti.
• 33:25
  And that's in my 1995 testimony in transformation there how AIDS was used as a depopulation agenda and started in Haiti as a very deliberate genocide of the Haitians. There's apparently some extreme minerals that are highly valuable in Haiti. So they need the people out of the way, and they're just using them and harvesting them in that process. The Clintons were involved in lot of genetic issues. So when I say harvesting children, I do mean it literally and using them for those horrific operations.
• 34:11
  I think we're seeing a lot of that information coming out now in the Epstein files. I'm so glad that that information is finally coming to light because it's been going on my life. You might remember back on, the early 90s, we were told that they cloned Dolly the sheep, and it was this big news and everything. And it was like that little tidbit they threw to the people way back when. And how can people be denying the genetic manipulation and cloning and those kinds of aspects of undermining our humanity that's been going on for so long?
• 34:49
  So, these are things that I was used in, witnessed, participated in, was part of the groundwork for NAFTA. NAFTA was the beginning of the New World Order, the global agenda. And because of that, I was around the Clintons a lot, Bill and Hillary Clinton since the late 70s and throughout my MK Ultra victimization, and that was horrific.
• 35:20
  Seth Holehouse: When you say it was horrific, what were some of the things that you recall?
• 35:25
  Cathy O'Brien: Well, Bill Clinton's mean of cocaine operations were already in full swing in the mid-70s when he was still attorney general, before he was even governor of Arkansas, and certainly before he was president, he was the head of the CIA's cocaine operations, which they became notorious and And it never stopped, but it was part of the funding mechanism of the globalist agenda of undermining our US constitutional values of freedom and justice for all. Bill went very much of that. Hillary was a part of the human trafficking operations of child sex trafficking and running it through the established routes that Bill Clinton's cocaine operation already had, including across the borders. Very much a part of the satanic network, was exposed to it in the backwoods of Louisiana, 1977 on when Senator Byrd had appointed my handler. As my handler, he would make sure I was wherever Byrd said I needed to be, as subject to whatever Byrd said.
• 36:42
  Wayne Cox, he was an occult serial killer and CIA assassin, and he was working Clinton cocaine operations. He had a coven that Roger Clinton was part of, that's Bill Clinton's half brother. And they were part of not only the cocaine operas, the adrenalized blood, which was a precursor to Adrenochrome that Hillary Clinton was running through those operations all the way back then. So, these people have been involved in the most horrific crimes against humanity for decades and decades. The evidence is overwhelming.
• 37:22
  National security was invoked on my testimony of it all in 1995 because there's so much evidence, and yet they're still free. Our justice system is so corrupted. We've got a long way to go to clean this mess We
• 37:37
  Seth Holehouse: do. And so, when you were talking about, there was a few questions I have kind of looking into how these techniques and mechanisms are used on the public. When you're talking about, you said, when a child is abused, especially before the age of five, how it kind of changes them, and it really affects them mentally, makes them much more susceptible to, propaganda, mind control. So, when you when look at you look at the push, you know, really a lot of it coming out of the the UN and the globalist organizations, but it's really kind of everywhere. But you see this push for sexualization of children, even at a young age.
• 38:19
  Right? You can see these curriculums coming out of some of the European countries where they're openly talking about kind of physically touching themselves to toddlers even. So do you think that, part of this is I mean, obviously, you could say part of it is just because there's people that are pedophiles that wanna have pedophile be more open and accepted in society. But do you think that also part of it is that if they can sexualize children at a young age, that that's one of the number one ways to create a compliant population? Because they know that's one of the key foundations for, I guess, a mind that's easily controlled, right?
• 38:57
  So do you think that's part of the bigger picture of the end goal of having a population that really is just a bunch of mind controlled slaves that the elites can just use and abuse as they need in this kind of new order system. And so do you think that that's part of the foundation of that is the sexualization of children?
• 39:17
  Cathy O'Brien: Absolutely. No question about it. And it's been going on a long time because when you go back to Project Paperclip, in the wake of World War II, Walt Disney was associated with Paperclip. Why? Why was he friends with Warner Brosnan, NASA, DARPA scientists?
• 39:37
  It's because mind control, it was the common thing. And so, the Disney cartoons were embedded with subliminal pedophile promotion from the beginning. And it's notorious for pedophilia now. Everybody associates it with MK Ultra and pedophilia and knows Disney is bad. But that started so long ago.
• 40:02
  So, it started subliminally conditioning generations of children that the sexualization of children is okay. And the sexualization is not a sexual, it is a mind control agenda. It is eroding our humanity because I know from my experience in mind control that without free thought, there's no free will. Without free will, there's no soul expression. Without soul expression, we lose discernment of truth.
• 40:32
  We lose compassion for each other. We lose our ability to go within and align with that divine within and gather the strength of the human spirit and that infinite power of love to live life's purpose. Mind control is a spiritual warfare. And it's one that's intended to undermine our humanity, ultimately trying to align us with artificial intelligence, whatever. It's eroding our whole purpose of who we are and why we're here.
• 41:03
  And this assault on humanity was happening through Disney, right from the get go by sexualizing the children subliminally, and through the generation, where people were just accepting it. And that's why we got to the point now where there aren't more parents just outraged saying no, because they too had been indoctrinated, and then their parents had been indoctrinated. And it had been found in Hitler Himmler research that after three generations, any knowledge base, abuse base, or belief system becomes autogenic in the brain. So, that's why they were conditioning it through the generations. And I noticed because MKUltra was the sub project Monarch.
• 41:49
  Project Monarch is a multi generational mind control operation. It's the one that has been unleashed on humanity on a global scale. The sexualization of children is a big part of it. The heightened suggestibility that it creates with full bore when mind control masked as a virus was unleashed on the global population 2020. That is a perfect example of how the most basic form of mind control works.
• 42:20
  How many times did you hear mask up, social distance, get the injection? It programs the subconscious, especially while the conscious mind is being distracted. So the children were being masked up, limiting oxygen to the brain necessary for critical analysis free thought, and they were being separated in school behind plexiglass. And it terrific what we during that time. And then right after that became the ultimate sexualization of the children where the mind control agenda goes into a depopulation agenda with a transgender movement.
• 43:01
  They went from the masks and plexiglass to stuff in dollars and tranny panties. What have we done to allow for that? How did we come to allow for that? Mind control. Mind control of the masses, mind control through subliminally and deliberately manipulating the population into compliance with allowing for this rape of our children.
• 43:27
  We need to wise up. We need to understand our own mind brain function. We need to understand what happens when that trauma occurs, especially prior to age five while the brain is still forming. When we understand all that, we'll effectively take a stand against this. We've all learned every thought, free will, strength, and spirit so that we can effectively say no, and protect our children.
• 43:54
  They need us to protect them now because they can't wait for the system to clean up.
• 44:01
  Seth Holehouse: And so, you know, one thing I want to ask you about as you know, you mentioned JFK as being this, you know, really what you call a mass trauma event. Right? It's one thing to be in a private room and to witness the murder or the torture of somebody, which we know is very common in these programs, especially at younger ages. But when you look at what JFK was, it was that same type of event done on a larger scale. Now, when the Charlie Kirk assassination happened, I put I put out kind of my own analysis on it, saying, Look, what this is, this is a mass trauma event.
• 44:38
  Kind of the lens that I looked at through I'd love to hear your thoughts on this is that, you know, without even getting into the politics of it or who was behind it or any of those things that there's a lot of argument over, and that's not really necessary for this point, is that what it was fundamentally. So Charlie Kirk was, for a lot of younger Americans, he was their hero. Right? He was the JFK for a very young generation that had, in a lot of ways, given up on politics and wanted nothing to do with it, but they had this this figurehead to them that was part was one of their peers. And, you know, that also that generation, they didn't live through 09/11.
• 45:16
  They didn't live through the JFK assassins. They didn't they didn't have their own generational trauma traumatic event in that same way. And then I remember when that happened, you know, and I think it was almost designed to be like this. Now, you know, anything on Twitter, if there's something on Twitter that's spreading that is showing violence, it all it's always kind of warning. Right?
• 45:36
  It's always kind of kind of blurred out, and you have to accept to view it. But Charlie Kirk, for days, all you would see on your Twitter feed was the nonstop video of him just gushing blood out of his neck. I mean, it was and it was high resolution compared to, say, the JFK, which you couldn't see exactly what happened the same way. And I remember thinking it's like, Oh, I think that that's one of the bigger, bigger parts of this whole thing is that this was a mass trauma event. This was an MK Ultra event for one of the most important generations of youth that will affect the future and the direction of the country.
• 46:13
  So, I want to say, when you saw that happen through everything you know, how did you interpret those events?
• 46:20
  Cathy O'Brien: Exactly the same. And that they're using the same playbook, even that, well, they're not, it's just horrific. They use the same playbook, and that playbook is called Mind War. It's written by Lieutenant Colonel Michael Aquino, the founder of the occult temple is set, my primary MK Ultra mind control programmer, absolute Satanist that's gotten away with murder so many times. But it's a trauma based mind control.
• 46:51
  And he wrote that book with General Vail is on the board of directors of Turning Point USA. And I noticed that right away. And it was like it's it's the same playbook. It's the same thing. And I'm not saying who's guilty and who did what.
• 47:11
  I'm not even drawing that conclusion. I'm just saying this is a fact we need to look at and realize they're doing the same thing because that trauma has such huge impact on the minds of those conservative youth forever to fill up their speak out, or make them feel like everything Charlie had been teaching them to think free and expand their thinking and question things. To stop that, we got to understand that anytime someone is taken out of a position of huge influence like that, especially in the public eye, it's because they're not cooperating with the global plan. They're not doing what they're supposed to do. And they will be someone who does cooperate.
• 48:01
  So, we've got to pay to that and understand that's their playbook. It's what they do. They're doing the same thing. Spite of the fact that what I've seen of the New World Order plan, this globalist agenda, they lost control of it so long ago. I mean, we are by far, the Great Awakening is real.
• 48:22
  We've got it. We've passed critical mass. We're on victory point, but they're throwing tantrums and men, and we've got to wake up to that reality and embrace the truth of what mind control entails so that we can defend ourselves against it, and empower these kids to not cave into the trauma, to pick up a pen and paper and write out that trauma. That's a quick, easy way to heal from trauma, and write it out, and then be able to carry forward what Charlie had dedicated his life to teaching them, how to think free, how to question, how to not just cave into everything authority says, and to look beyond any leader that might be in place now with Turning Point USA or any leader in any position of power and influence, we need to be questioning that. I encourage people all the time, just blindly follow somebody because they're right.
• 49:34
  You found them to be right most of the time. Research all the facts, research the information. Instead of snap judging people, research information. And that's what's going to empower us to be effective in rising above this assault that happened not only with Turning Point, but a lot of churches have been infiltrated. Maybe we can learn something on how Turning Point was infiltrated, churches have been infiltrated too.
• 50:05
  You know, it gives us insight when we embrace the facts of it instead of be focused on snap judging people.
• 50:14
  Seth Holehouse: And so, I think it's also a really important point. And that's what I really try to do, I try not to very quickly jump to conclusions. And I try to look more at system architecture and patterns and history, and I use that to judge situations instead of what do I think that's a good guy or a bad guy. I think it's very difficult to really know who's a good guy and a bad guy. And sometimes the best looking people or maybe the the wolf in sheep's clothing, and sometimes people you think are not that great, maybe you're actually the saints, but they're at they have their own struggles.
• 50:45
  It's it's very difficult. Now, I think obviously there's some that you can look at them and say, Okay, yeah. Check for the bad person box. Right? But, Yeah.
• 50:54
  When you mentioned and I wanna hone on this a little bit because this is important. When you start to understand these things, they they kind of talk about the dark night of the soul, right, this process of just thinking, oh my goodness, our world is is run by completely evil people that probably aren't even fully human, if at all human. Right? There's very dark, demonic things that are controlling a lot of this. And especially, you look at the ties into satanism and all this stuff.
• 51:21
  It starts to paint a picture that can be very frightening. And you might think they have amassed this power over thousands of years, probably through generational bloodlines and through, you know, the banking system and the control of countries and wars and everything. And it can be, very intimidating. And some some of them might just kind of say, what good is it then? Right?
• 51:43
  There's no hope. You know? And and that's, I think, also part of what causes people to fall into that normalcy bias of just they don't wanna look at it. They just wanna think that everything's just gonna be how how it was. And, you know, eventually, we'll get back to how life was back in the nineties or something.
• 51:55
  Right? But when you say though that this these elites or these controllers, that they're losing control, that's a key point. And that's also what I've also come to understand in in my own research is that they're the power that they project is not real to the power they actually have. I think there's lot of infighting. There's a lot of disagreements.
• 52:18
  There's a lot of things that actually are there. It's way more fractured up there. And I think that they're actually losing, though it feels like we're the ones that are losing to this onslaught of evil. So what are the things that you see that for you, knowing what you understand from being behind the curtain, what are some aspects of this that you see that really helped to cement that idea that they are actually the ones that are weak? They're the ones that are nearing their end of power.
• 52:47
  Help us understand that. I think that's where a lot of hope comes out of with this. Yes,
• 52:53
  Cathy O'Brien: I haven't been around them deep in the swamp among them. They're a very low vibration, dark negative energy force. They feed off of low vibration, dark negative energy force. They feed off of division, hatred, fear, trauma. That's their vibration.
• 53:13
  They are not like us, they're definitely within our realm to affect because their greatest fear is the strength of the human spirit, and the infinite power of love. It's such a high vibration, they can't touch it. They can't reach it. They can't possess it. They can't get there.
• 53:33
  It's too high of a vibration for them. The only thing they can do is use mind control, use trauma after trauma to shut down neuron pathways in the brain and make us more compliant. Any level of mind control, if it's indoctrination of children in the school system, if it's misinformation and trauma through the controlled media's repetitive narrative, whatever the assault is on our brain firing, if it's tainting our food and water and starving our brains, all of that's shutting down those neuron pathways. That's all they can do is shut that down so that we don't think together the secret and the infinite power of love. As soon as we reclaim our free thought, get our brains firing, nutritionally, get plenty of rest, write out our fears, write out our trauma.
• 54:28
  When we do in all that aspect, then we have our brains firing perfectly. When we drive it with the strength of the human spirit, we're unstoppable. And that's your greatest fear. That's what the great awakening is, as people embracing truth again. And with that truth comes their ability to align with the divine within.
• 54:47
  And it's like, now their darkness can't creep in on our light. Our light is exposing their dark secrets. We're exposing the horrors. It looks traumatic just to be seeing it, but at least we're finally seeing it. And awareness is the first step towards positive necessary change.
• 55:07
  And I'm excited that I've seen numerous things that are indications of their complete loss of power, especially when so many of us were awake and aware that we overrode the rigged electronic algorithm in the voting machine by the sheer numbers of us to elect anybody who wasn't Hillary Clinton in her new world order. So that was major turning point measure of the awareness of people, what we had become. That was 2016. Now, after they panicked and went all in with mind control masks as a virus, we noticed the first day was a border back open to their funding mechanism of drug and human trafficking after stealing those elections 2020. They were in an absolute panic, but it only woke more people up because they messed up.
• 56:04
  For all the things that they did to traumatize and control people, they had a shelter at home. When you shelter at home, you break routine patterns. If you break routine patterns, it forces the brain to, and again, mind control, they need to shut them down, but they started forcing it to fire in new ways. So, people started waking up, more people woke up. And we have reached a point now, you know, where by far the majority is happening on a global scale, to the point now where people are saying, okay, we're going to take back our lives and restructure over here.
• 56:42
  They're talking to each other eye to eye, heart to heart, soul to soul, getting out in the communities, standing up for the children, a difference right in their own backyard, and that local actions have a national impact, have a global impact, and it's just, the whole new world order is absolutely falling apart, that they're throwing a tantrum as it's falling apart, and we just need to remember not to comply with it. If trauma occurs, protect our free thought, pick up a pen and paper, keep the neuron pathways open, that trauma, and keep the brain firing properly, eat well, sleep well, and know that that is when they're attempting to manipulate us and don't comply. Never comply ever again.
• 57:35
  Seth Holehouse: I'd also say that if you're someone that with everything you've been through and the darkness that you've seen, if you can have this hope that radiates out of you, this belief in the power of humanity and the human spirit and in the divine, then I think that why can't everyone also have that same belief? Because maybe I had a, you know, something bad happened as a kid or, you know, I was picked on here or whatever it is. We all have our own trauma that we carry, but I'd say that most people don't come close to the trauma that you or JR Sweet or any of these other victims have had. But a lot of them, I find, do have this hope. They see the system is falling.
• 58:15
  And so, if you can see and have walked through all that darkness, still see a light, then I think that there's a light that we can all see if you can see it.
• 58:29
  Cathy O'Brien: Yeah, I'm so fortunate that intelligence insider, Mark Phillips, who is working the highest levels of intelligence mind sciences to preserve the sanctity of free thought, He was appalled at what he saw going on. Mark was a spook, so he could wear any hat, FBI, CIA, NSA, Secret Service, whatever he needed to be in key positions in very high clearance. And what he saw, it appalled him. And what upset Mark most of all was finding our birthright information to mind brain function, our defense against mind control, our ability to cope with trauma, what it means when you sexually abuse a child. All that information was buried under national security.
• 59:18
  Soon as the 1947 National Security Act went into place, that information was buried. Because just like after three generations, that knowledge becomes autogenic in the brain and is passed down. If it's withheld for generations, people forget. And ultimately, was designed to make people reliant on big government, big pharma, big tech, big cult to cult religion to tell them how to live their lives, rather than go within and align with the divine and realize we got all the power we've always have had. And Marx saw that buried under national security.
• 59:55
  He was livid when he couldn't release that information because he was bound by laws of sedition. When he saw little children being taken in and out, that's when he decided to take action. And he lifted my daughter and me right out of the Washington DC human trafficking swamp, all the way back in 1988, and handed me keys to my mind. He reminded me of that information that we have the resiliency of body, mind and spirit. We can heal no matter what happens to us in life.
• 1:00:28
  So, he reminded me of that. And I'm so fortunate to have been able to keep within myself, because I did heal from within myself, I opened the neuron pathways in my brain, which means I don't have compartmentalized memory that can be triggered. It means that I'm free thinking, and I'm going to keep it that way. And I also have the knowledge that's my defense against mind control going forward. So, I was able to heal with that information, but it wasn't until learned to trust again.
• 1:01:05
  And time Mark came along, didn't know good people existed in the world. My whole world was saturated with torture, abuse, horror, and I couldn't think to protect myself, and I couldn't think to protect my own daughter, which is the most horrible trauma that I think any person could ever, ever endure. And having experienced all that, I didn't know good people existed. So, when Mark came to rescue my daughter and me, I couldn't think to trust him. But Mark who abused children, abused animals and vice versa.
• 1:01:39
  So, when he rescued us, he also rescued all our farm animals. We were being kept by our handler on a farm, and he abused the animals horribly. But Mark rescued our cows and horses and guineas and chickens and dogs and cats and all that. It had a strong impact on my daughter and me both. But most of all, because I had no freedom, my daughter too, we've been blasted into the primitive parts of our brain where we have heightened intuition, senses much like a dog would have vibrational frequency, who's good, who's bad, telepathic capability, deep understanding, and I was very connected with my horse.
• 1:02:26
  And if I needed to get across the farm, she would just stand in front of me. I'd climb on, no saddle, no bridle, no words, and we would go wherever I needed to go. She'd bring me back. If she saw my handler, she would run, because she was So when Mark came along and rescued us, my horse walked up to Mark and looked him in the eye and loaded herself on the horse trailer. That told me everything I needed to know on the deepest primitive level.
• 1:03:00
  And that was how I first started learning to trust, because I never saw animals trust anybody besides my daughter and me and other survivors. Anybody trust in anybody like that? And had fox and he had raccoons and everything. So when he went home, they would run up to him and pat on him and love him. I never saw anything like that before.
• 1:03:24
  So the animals taught me how to trust again. And because I knew that I could trust Mark, then I was able to start healing and remembering. I was also in a safe place with Mark, and just like my brain knew what my father was doing was wrong when I was an infant and shut down neuron pathways, my brain knew I was safe and it opened neuron pathways, so memory started leaking out. And as that memory started leaking out, Mark told me, he said, the pen is mightier than the sword. Write out your memory, because the very act of moving a pen uses the logic critical analysis part of the brain.
• 1:04:09
  So it takes emotionally incomprehensible, shifts it over to logic, where it's written out on paper, and all of a sudden healing happens psychiatrically, the neuron pathways are open, psychologically, emotionally, spiritually, everything all at once with that one simple little brain hack. That's such an important brain hack that we need to understand why writing was taken out of the school system very deliberately. If we put writing by hand back in the school system, we can stop the indoctrination of children. Everyone just picks up a pen and paper and writes out their fear, their trauma, writes out their guilt, their grief, anything that's immobilizing them, and then add a solution. And I spelled that S O U L, solution.
• 1:04:59
  Add a solution, and that forces the brain to fire in new ways. It lifts you out of that dark pit of negativity, forces the brain to fire. And again, we want those neuron pathways open. So, using that pen for that purpose, open neuron pathways in the brain and reestablish free thought right there. So, I always encourage everyone to use that.
• 1:05:22
  How fortunate for me that Mark Phillips came along, handed me such a simple healing key, reminded me to get out in nature, and feel the sun on my skin and the wind in my hair and communicate with the animals and interact with their unconditional love. My daughter and I had it all. Of course, we healed. And I ended up sharing that information with everyone because Mark couldn't release that birthright information because he's bound by laws of sedition. I'm not.
• 1:05:52
  So I released it in PTSD time to heal, and I posted it on my website for everyone 2020. I knew everybody was going to need it. So the healing information is so simple. It's our birthright.
• 1:06:08
  Seth Holehouse: It really is. Let me pull your This is your website, which is trance-formation.com. Here, you've got your various books. You have any blog posts, any podcasts that you're on. It's a great trove of information.
• 1:06:25
  I encourage everyone to check it out, but also people that do, whether they have past trauma, or they suspect that they were in some of these programs, to absolutely check out your information, to contact you, and just to start healing. This is the PTSD time to heal. This is what you mentioned, which is right Yes. And so, yeah, I mean, you know, Kathy, I feel like this is actually a good time to kinda kinda to wrap up because I think that we've gone through this journey together, but we've ended on this place of of hope. And, just I think there's a belief that we can heal through this and that the evil forces that are controlling so many of these aspects of the world, they are weakened, they're scared, they're frantic.
• 1:07:08
  And now is the opportunity to, I think, rise above all this. So, yeah, Cathy It is. You for everything you've done, and that you continue to do. And I guess I'll let you if you have any final thoughts as we're wrapping up, I'd love to hear them.
• 1:07:25
  Cathy O'Brien: Yeah, absolutely. I'm so excited. You know, you noticed that PTSD Time to Heal is just a thin little workbook. And that's all it is, is a workbook. It's not about me.
• 1:07:35
  It's about us all, a reminder how to heal. And I've got a healing trilogy out there now that have one called Resolutions, which shows people how to cope with the memories that they're having to deal with, and then align with the divine. It's a river for everyone everywhere of what we've been blessed with, and how do we expect the miracles and realign with all that again, Because that's our birthright. So, I'm so excited for that. Of course, my 1995 testimony for Congress is posted there.
• 1:08:07
  Transformation of America is secured there. Not only is information censored, it's diluted. There's free ebooks Trance posted all over the internet. The information is all from a publicist agenda and to promote mind control. That's not my book.
• 1:08:27
  Go to the source, go to me and research further. Reasons for National Security, How We Extracted My Daughter from the Corrupted So Called Child Protective Services and Became whistleblowers on her behalf. And all my books are on Audible, and I read them myself to preserve the integrity of information. So, I encourage everyone to research further because again, the more you know, the more you see that we've got the victory. We've been blessed with it.
• 1:09:00
  It's within us all. It's our time. It's our time to claim that victory, our time to shine, and shine all together. Let's eradicate that darkness once and for all.
• 1:09:11
  Seth Holehouse: There we go. One person at a time, one interview at a time, one step at a time. Kathy, thank you again. It's always a pleasure speaking with you. And I just, I look forward to doing this again.
• 1:09:23
  And yeah, just thank you for doing everything that you're doing.
• 1:09:26
  Cathy O'Brien: Thank you. I appreciate you. Thank you.
• 1:09:29
  Seth Holehouse: Absolutely. All right. Take care and God bless you.