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How to Land a Traditional Children's Book Deal: Insider Secrets from Kris Tarantino · Adventures in the Heart of Children's Book Authors Podcast

3:57
My
3:57
name
3:57
is
3:58
Chris
3:58
Tarantino
3:59
and
3:59
I'm
3:59
an
4:00
author
4:00
of
4:00
children's
4:01
books.
4:02
Be
4:02
My
4:02
Valence
4:03
Line
4:03
came
4:04
out
4:04
in
4:04
2023
4:05
and
4:06
that
4:06
was
4:06
my
4:06
debut.
4:07
And
4:08
this
4:08
year,
4:08
2026,
4:09
I'm
4:10
out
4:10
with
4:10
Bed
4:11
Slime
4:11
Blues.
4:13
Chris,
4:13
get
4:14
a
4:14
little
4:14
chuckle
4:14
already
4:15
just
4:15
listening
4:16
to
4:16
the
4:16
title
4:16
of
4:16
the
4:16
books.
4:17
Thanks
4:17
for
4:17
appearing
4:18
on
4:18
the
4:18
Adventures
4:18
in
4:19
the
4:19
Heart
4:19
of
4:19
Children's
4:19
Book
4:20
Authors
4:20
podcast.
4:21
Chris
4:22
has
4:22
mentioned
4:22
she's
4:23
written
4:23
several
4:23
books,
4:24
children's
4:24
books
4:25
in
4:25
her
4:25
series,
4:26
and
4:27
today
4:27
we're
4:27
going
4:27
to
4:27
focus
4:28
on
4:28
Bed
4:29
Slime
4:29
Blues
4:30
and
4:30
I
4:30
look
4:30
forward
4:30
to
4:31
our
4:31
conversation.
4:33
Chris,
4:33
before
4:33
we
4:34
get
4:34
into
4:34
the
4:34
details
4:35
of
4:35
your
4:35
latest
4:36
book,
4:37
can
4:37
you
4:37
tell
4:37
us
4:38
what
4:38
being
4:38
a
4:39
children's
4:39
book
4:39
author
4:40
means
4:41
to
4:41
you?
4:42
It
4:42
means
4:43
everything.
4:43
It
4:43
means
4:44
the
4:44
world.
4:44
This
4:45
has
4:46
been
4:46
a
4:47
long
4:47
term
4:48
dream
4:49
that
4:49
I
4:50
been
4:50
pursuing
4:51
and
4:51
so
4:51
to
4:52
finally
4:52
have
4:53
it
4:53
happen
4:54
is
4:55
the
4:55
best
4:55
possible
4:56
feeling
4:56
because
4:56
it's
4:57
quite,
4:57
quite
4:58
challenging
4:58
to
4:59
break
4:59
into
4:59
the
4:59
traditional
5:00
publishing
5:01
market
5:02
and
5:02
get
5:02
a
5:02
book
5:03
published
5:03
by
5:03
somebody
5:04
like
5:04
Pegway
5:04
Random
5:05
House.
5:05
That
5:06
is
5:06
fantastic.
5:07
Tell
5:07
us
5:07
about
5:07
your
5:08
inspiration
5:08
because
5:08
I
5:09
know
5:09
before
5:09
we
5:09
got
5:10
on
5:10
air
5:10
you
5:10
mentioned
5:11
you
5:11
published
5:12
your
5:12
first
5:12
book
5:12
in
5:13
2023
5:14
and
5:14
this
5:15
year
5:15
you
5:15
launched
5:15
your
5:15
second
5:16
book.
5:17
Tell
5:17
us
5:17
the
5:17
inspiration
5:18
behind
5:19
your
5:19
first
5:19
book.
5:20
Like
5:20
what
5:21
got
5:21
you
5:21
started
5:22
as
5:22
a
5:22
children's
5:23
book
5:23
author?
5:24
I've
5:24
always
5:24
been
5:25
in
5:25
the
5:25
business
5:26
of
5:26
kids,
5:27
so
5:27
I
5:27
graduated
5:28
college
5:29
with
5:30
a
5:30
major
5:30
in
5:30
business,
5:31
marketing
5:31
and
5:32
art.
5:33
And
5:33
I
5:33
had
5:34
indicated
5:34
I
5:34
wanted
5:34
to
5:35
work
5:35
in
5:35
the
5:35
toy
5:35
industry.
5:36
So
5:37
I
5:37
was
5:37
put
5:37
into
5:38
a
5:38
internship
5:39
at
5:40
a
5:40
local
5:41
publisher,
5:43
which
5:43
was
5:43
actually
5:44
Golden
5:45
Books
5:45
at
5:45
the
5:45
time
5:46
and
5:47
really
5:48
loved
5:48
children's
5:49
books
5:49
and
5:49
the
5:49
other
5:50
toy
5:50
items.
5:51
And
5:52
then
5:52
I
5:52
stayed
5:52
home
5:52
with
5:53
my
5:53
own
5:53
kids
5:54
and
5:54
did
5:54
a
5:55
lot
5:55
of
5:55
reading.
5:55
I
5:56
already
5:56
loved
5:56
children's
5:57
books
5:57
and
5:57
I
5:57
grew
5:58
to
5:58
love
5:58
them
5:58
even
5:58
more.
5:59
And
5:59
so
6:00
I
6:00
said
6:00
one
6:00
day
6:00
I'm
6:01
going
6:01
to
6:01
write
6:01
children's
6:02
books.
6:03
Fast
6:03
forward
6:04
many,
6:04
many,
6:05
many
6:05
years
6:06
and
6:06
I
6:06
was
6:06
writing
6:07
dozens
6:07
of
6:08
different
6:08
manuscripts
6:09
with
6:09
different
6:09
forms.
6:10
Romance
6:11
because
6:12
you
6:12
never
6:12
know
6:12
what
6:12
you're
6:12
going
6:12
to
6:12
break
6:13
into
6:13
the
6:13
market
6:13
with.
6:14
I
6:15
was
6:15
learning.
6:15
I
6:16
went
6:16
to
6:16
a
6:16
lot
6:16
of
6:17
conferences
6:17
and
6:18
webinars
6:18
and
6:18
whatnot
6:20
and
6:20
there
6:20
was
6:20
a
6:21
lot
6:21
of
6:21
life
6:21
happening
6:22
in
6:22
my
6:22
personal
6:22
life.
6:23
Anyway,
6:23
Be
6:24
My
6:24
Valence
6:25
Line
6:25
was
6:26
a
6:26
book
6:27
that
6:27
initiated
6:28
with
6:29
I
6:29
was
6:29
seeing
6:29
a
6:29
lot
6:30
of
6:30
a
6:30
lack
6:31
of
6:31
love
6:31
and
6:32
kindness
6:32
around
6:33
me,
6:34
either
6:34
with
6:35
people
6:35
I
6:35
knew
6:35
or
6:35
people
6:36
I
6:36
didn't
6:36
know.
6:37
And
6:37
so
6:38
it
6:38
got
6:38
me
6:38
to
6:39
walk
6:39
around
6:39
saying,
6:39
well,
6:40
what
6:40
is
6:40
love
6:41
anyway?
6:42
And
6:42
so
6:42
that
6:43
book
6:43
is
6:44
an
6:44
exploration
6:45
of
6:45
what
6:45
is
6:46
love
6:47
and
6:48
how.
6:48
I
6:49
love
6:49
the
6:49
titles
6:50
of
6:50
both
6:50
your
6:50
books
6:51
and
6:51
I
6:51
love
6:51
how
6:52
you
6:52
branded
6:53
the
6:53
word
6:54
slime.
6:55
I
6:55
know
6:56
when
6:56
I
6:56
look
6:57
at
6:57
this
6:58
timeframe.
6:59
So
6:59
maybe
7:00
explain
7:00
to
7:00
us
7:00
a
7:01
little
7:01
bit
7:01
about,
7:02
you
7:02
know,
7:03
your
7:03
first
7:03
book
7:03
coming
7:04
out
7:04
in
7:04
2023
7:05
and
7:05
now
7:06
your
7:06
second
7:06
book
7:06
in
7:07
2026.
7:09
What
7:09
was
7:10
going
7:10
on
7:12
in
7:12
terms
7:13
of
7:14
your
7:14
children's
7:15
book
7:15
business?
7:15
What
7:16
was
7:16
filling
7:16
that
7:17
void
7:17
between
7:18
the
7:18
two
7:18
books?
7:20
A
7:20
ton
7:20
of
7:21
work.
7:21
It
7:21
took
7:21
ten
7:22
years
7:22
to
7:22
break
7:23
in
7:23
with
7:23
Be
7:23
My
7:24
Valence
7:24
Lime.
7:25
And
7:25
part
7:25
of
7:26
breaking
7:26
into
7:27
the
7:27
traditional
7:27
market
7:28
all
7:28
often
7:29
is
7:30
you
7:31
have
7:31
to
7:31
have
7:31
a
7:31
hooky
7:31
title
7:32
as
7:32
well
7:33
as
7:33
a
7:33
dynamite
7:34
story.
7:34
So
7:35
when
7:35
I
7:35
was
7:35
brainstorming
7:36
and
7:36
came
7:37
up
7:37
with
7:37
this
7:37
hooky
7:38
title
7:38
and
7:38
this
7:38
really
7:38
cool
7:39
monster
7:40
character,
7:40
Snoodle,
7:41
you
7:41
know,
7:41
I
7:42
just
7:42
kept
7:42
working
7:42
with
7:42
it.
7:43
In
7:43
between
7:44
2023
7:46
and
7:46
2026,
7:47
I
7:47
was
7:48
under
7:48
contract
7:49
for
7:50
two
7:50
more
7:50
books
7:50
in
7:51
this
7:51
series,
7:52
the
7:53
first
7:53
being
7:54
this
7:54
Bedslam
7:54
Blues.
7:56
And
7:56
it
7:56
takes
7:56
over
7:57
two
7:57
years
7:57
to
7:58
make
7:58
a
7:58
book.
7:59
Traditionally,
8:00
it
8:00
just
8:00
takes
8:00
that
8:01
long.
8:01
I
8:02
was
8:02
busy
8:03
writing
8:03
the
8:03
manuscript
8:04
and
8:04
editing
8:05
it
8:05
with
8:06
the
8:06
editor,
8:07
and
8:07
then
8:07
the
8:08
same
8:08
illustrator
8:09
got
8:09
involved
8:10
with
8:10
her
8:10
sketches
8:11
and
8:11
final
8:11
art
8:12
and
8:12
then
8:12
everything
8:13
on
8:13
the
8:13
back
8:13
end
8:14
of
8:14
the
8:14
publisher,
8:15
that
8:15
was
8:15
one
8:16
thing.
8:17
And
8:17
then
8:17
I'm
8:18
always
8:18
writing
8:19
other
8:20
manuscripts
8:21
and
8:21
my
8:22
literary
8:22
agent
8:23
puts
8:23
them
8:23
out
8:23
on
8:23
submission.
8:25
So
8:25
doing
8:26
a
8:26
lot
8:26
of
8:26
those,
8:26
getting
8:27
a
8:27
lot
8:27
of
8:27
rejection.
8:28
But
8:29
I'm
8:29
hoping
8:29
to
8:30
amount
8:30
some
8:30
good
8:31
news
8:31
relatively
8:32
soon.
8:33
That's
8:33
what
8:33
I'm
8:33
doing.
8:34
Terrific.
8:35
Just
8:36
for
8:36
the
8:36
listing
8:36
audience,
8:37
we're
8:37
going
8:37
to
8:37
get
8:38
more
8:38
into
8:39
Chris's
8:40
publishing
8:41
journey.
8:42
We'll
8:42
be
8:42
talking
8:43
about
8:43
that,
8:43
and
8:44
that
8:44
will
8:44
definitely
8:45
reveal
8:46
some
8:46
things
8:46
that
8:47
went
8:47
on
8:47
as
8:48
Chris
8:48
talked
8:48
about
8:49
in
8:49
the
8:49
last
8:49
three
8:49
years.
8:50
Chris,
8:50
I
8:51
also
8:51
noticed
8:52
that
8:52
your
8:52
books
8:53
are
8:53
on
8:53
Amazon
8:55
and
8:55
you
8:55
have
8:56
a
8:56
E
8:56
book
8:58
format
8:58
and
8:59
you
8:59
also
8:59
have
8:59
a
8:59
hardcover,
9:00
but
9:01
I
9:01
don't
9:01
see
9:02
a
9:02
soft
9:02
cover.
9:03
So
9:03
can
9:03
you
9:03
talk
9:03
to
9:04
us
9:04
a
9:04
little
9:04
bit
9:04
about
9:05
that
9:05
strategy?
9:06
Why
9:06
E
9:07
book
9:07
and
9:07
a
9:07
hardcover
9:08
but
9:08
no
9:08
soft
9:09
cover
9:09
when
9:10
you're
9:10
traditionally
9:10
published?
9:11
Like
9:11
me
9:11
and
9:12
Penguin
9:12
Random
9:12
House
9:13
is
9:13
who
9:13
publishes
9:14
both
9:15
of
9:15
These
9:15
books,
9:16
that's
9:16
100%
9:18
space.
9:19
Their
9:19
space.
9:20
They
9:20
decide
9:21
the
9:21
size
9:21
the
9:22
paper.
9:22
You
9:23
know,
9:23
if
9:23
there's
9:23
going
9:23
to
9:23
be
9:23
glitter
9:24
on
9:24
the
9:24
COVID
9:25
is
9:25
it
9:25
going
9:25
to
9:25
be
9:25
hardcover?
9:26
How
9:26
long
9:26
will
9:27
it
9:27
be
9:27
hardcover?
9:27
Is
9:28
it
9:28
going
9:28
to
9:28
be
9:29
ebook?
9:30
I
9:30
don't
9:30
have
9:31
to
9:31
worry
9:31
about
9:31
any
9:31
of
9:31
that.
9:32
That's
9:32
marketing
9:33
and
9:33
sales
9:33
decisions
9:34
according
9:34
to
9:35
the
9:35
goals
9:36
that
9:36
they're
9:36
trying
9:37
to
9:37
achieve.
9:38
Okay.
9:39
And
9:39
companies
9:40
like
9:40
ingramsparks
9:41
who
9:42
published
9:42
books
9:43
and
9:43
get
9:43
them
9:43
out
9:44
to
9:44
the
9:44
other
9:45
online
9:45
retailers
9:47
outside
9:47
of
9:47
Amazon,
9:49
would
9:49
they
9:49
also
9:50
handle
9:50
that
9:50
for
9:51
you?
9:51
You
9:51
wouldn't
9:51
get
9:52
involved
9:52
with
9:52
IngramSpark?
9:54
I'm
9:54
not
9:55
familiar
9:55
with
9:55
Ingram
9:56
Spark.
9:57
Are
9:57
they
9:57
a
9:58
retailer?
9:59
So
10:00
they're
10:00
Like
10:00
Amazon.
10:01
And
10:01
they
10:02
fill
10:02
that
10:02
void,
10:04
that
10:04
Amazon,
10:05
because
10:06
Amazon
10:06
sells
10:07
the
10:07
books
10:07
on
10:07
their,
10:08
on
10:08
their
10:08
platform.
10:09
So
10:09
kdp,
10:10
which
10:10
is
10:10
the
10:10
publishing
10:11
army
10:12
of
10:12
Amazon,
10:13
creates
10:13
the
10:14
books
10:14
and
10:14
of
10:14
course
10:15
you
10:15
sell
10:15
it
10:15
on
10:15
their
10:16
platform.
10:17
Ingram
10:17
Sparks
10:18
does
10:18
exactly
10:19
the
10:19
same
10:19
thing,
10:20
but
10:20
they
10:21
make
10:21
your
10:22
book
10:22
available
10:23
to
10:23
people
10:24
like
10:24
Barnes
10:24
and
10:25
Noble
10:26
and
10:26
all
10:27
the
10:27
online
10:27
retailers
10:28
like
10:28
Apple
10:29
Books,
10:30
Walmart
10:31
Online,
10:31
those
10:32
type
10:32
of
10:32
online
10:32
retailers.
10:33
Generally
10:34
your
10:34
book
10:34
is
10:34
coming
10:35
through
10:36
Ingram
10:36
Sparks
10:37
to
10:37
those
10:38
different
10:38
online
10:39
retailers.
10:40
I
10:40
was
10:40
just
10:40
curious.
10:41
Yeah,
10:42
that
10:42
again,
10:42
is,
10:43
is
10:43
all
10:43
the
10:43
sales
10:44
department.
10:44
It's
10:44
Penguin
10:45
Random
10:45
House,
10:45
and
10:45
I
10:46
am
10:46
online
10:47
at
10:47
Walmart,
10:48
Target,
10:49
Barnes
10:49
Noble,
10:50
ChristianBooks.com
10:52
and
10:52
many,
10:53
many
10:53
others.
10:53
You
10:54
can
10:54
see
10:54
a
10:54
lot
10:54
of
10:55
them
10:55
on
10:55
my
10:55
author
10:56
website.
10:57
Right,
10:58
let's
10:59
jump
10:59
into
10:59
your
11:00
publishing
11:00
approach
11:00
because
11:01
I
11:01
think
11:02
that'll
11:02
start
11:03
peeling
11:03
back
11:03
the
11:04
onion
11:04
here
11:04
a
11:04
bit
11:05
and,
11:05
and
11:06
give
11:06
us
11:06
a
11:06
glimpse
11:06
into
11:07
the
11:07
traditional
11:08
side
11:09
of
11:09
publishing.
11:09
I've
11:10
had
11:10
only,
11:11
I
11:11
think
11:11
I'm
11:11
up
11:11
to
11:11
about
11:12
85
11:13
children's
11:13
book
11:13
authors
11:14
I've
11:14
had
11:14
on
11:14
our
11:15
show.
11:16
And
11:16
you're
11:17
our
11:17
third
11:18
traditionally
11:18
published
11:19
children's
11:20
book
11:20
author,
11:21
Bart
11:21
Taylor,
11:21
episode
11:22
53.
11:23
He
11:23
actually
11:25
wrote
11:26
three
11:26
books
11:26
before
11:27
someone
11:28
said,
11:28
oh
11:28
my
11:29
goodness,
11:29
we'd
11:30
love
11:30
to
11:30
publish
11:30
you.
11:30
He
11:31
ended
11:31
up
11:31
going
11:32
traditionally
11:32
published
11:33
after
11:33
he
11:34
had
11:34
had
11:34
got
11:34
three
11:35
books
11:35
onto
11:35
the
11:36
marketplace,
11:37
which
11:37
he
11:37
had
11:37
independently
11:38
published.
11:39
A
11:39
different
11:39
approach
11:40
for
11:40
sure.
11:41
You're
11:41
traditionally
11:42
published
11:43
on
11:43
your
11:43
books.
11:44
It
11:44
says
11:44
Waterbrook
11:45
Publishing.
11:46
Tell
11:46
us
11:47
the
11:47
story
11:47
behind
11:48
Waterbrook.
11:50
Yeah,
11:50
so
11:51
Waterbrook
11:52
is
11:52
what's
11:53
called
11:53
an
11:53
imprint
11:54
of
11:54
Penguin
11:55
Random
11:55
House.
11:56
So
11:56
all
11:57
the
11:57
big
11:57
five
11:57
publishers,
11:58
your
11:58
Scholastics,
11:59
your
11:59
Penguin
12:00
Random
12:00
House,
12:00
your
12:01
HarperCollins,
12:03
they
12:03
all
12:03
have
12:03
many,
12:04
many,
12:04
many
12:04
imprints
12:05
underneath
12:06
them.
12:07
And
12:07
each
12:07
imprint
12:08
has
12:08
its
12:09
own
12:10
kind
12:10
of
12:11
goals
12:11
and
12:12
things
12:13
that
12:13
they
12:13
look
12:13
for
12:13
in
12:14
the
12:14
market
12:14
on
12:15
the
12:15
children's
12:16
side
12:16
and
12:16
on
12:17
the
12:17
adult
12:17
side.
12:18
Waterbrook
12:19
Publishing,
12:20
primarily
12:20
being
12:21
the
12:21
children's
12:21
book
12:22
arena,
12:24
I
12:24
believe
12:24
it
12:24
is
12:25
primarily
12:25
in
12:25
the
12:26
children's,
12:26
all
12:26
the
12:26
way
12:27
up
12:27
through
12:27
ya
12:29
and
12:29
then
12:29
they
12:29
have
12:29
a
12:29
different
12:30
imprint,
12:30
I
12:30
believe,
12:31
that
12:31
handles
12:32
a
12:32
lot
12:32
more
12:33
of
12:33
their
12:33
adult
12:33
titles.
12:35
Chris,
12:35
how
12:35
did
12:36
you
12:36
end
12:36
up,
12:36
I
12:37
mean,
12:37
it's
12:37
fantastic
12:38
that
12:38
you
12:38
were
12:38
able
12:38
to
12:39
get
12:39
a
12:39
traditional
12:39
publisher
12:40
because
12:41
if
12:41
you've
12:41
listened
12:42
to
12:42
any
12:42
of
12:42
our
12:42
episodes,
12:43
we've
12:43
had
12:43
on
12:44
several
12:45
guests
12:45
that
12:45
have
12:46
just
12:46
been
12:47
totally
12:48
frustrated
12:49
and
12:49
ended
12:50
up
12:50
going
12:51
independent
12:52
or
12:52
self
12:52
published
12:53
through
12:53
a
12:53
hybrid
12:54
publishing
12:54
company
12:55
because
12:56
the
12:56
process
12:56
just
12:56
was
12:57
too
12:57
long,
12:58
too
12:58
many
12:59
rejections
12:59
and
13:00
they
13:00
just
13:00
didn't
13:01
want
13:02
to
13:02
go
13:02
through
13:02
that
13:02
adventure.
13:03
Tell
13:04
us,
13:04
how
13:04
did
13:04
you
13:05
have
13:05
the
13:05
resilience
13:06
to
13:06
actually
13:07
stick
13:07
to
13:07
it?
13:08
Because
13:08
you
13:08
talked
13:08
about
13:08
a
13:09
10
13:09
year
13:09
journey
13:09
and
13:10
I'm
13:10
thinking,
13:10
man,
13:11
that's
13:11
that's
13:12
really
13:12
incredible.
13:13
Tell
13:13
us
13:14
why
13:14
you
13:14
thought
13:15
I
13:15
have
13:15
to
13:16
stick
13:16
to
13:17
my
13:17
guns
13:17
and
13:18
I'm
13:18
going
13:18
to
13:18
get
13:18
a
13:18
literary
13:19
agent
13:19
and
13:19
I
13:20
don't
13:20
care
13:20
how
13:20
long
13:20
it
13:20
takes
13:21
me
13:21
by,
13:21
and
13:21
I'm
13:22
going
13:22
to
13:22
someday
13:22
get
13:22
traditionally
13:23
published.
13:23
Tell
13:24
us
13:24
about
13:24
that.
13:25
Yeah,
13:26
so
13:27
it's
13:27
not
13:28
for
13:28
the
13:28
faint
13:28
of
13:28
heart.
13:31
And
13:32
I
13:32
have
13:33
a
13:33
deep
13:33
drive
13:34
within
13:34
me.
13:35
And
13:35
I
13:35
always
13:35
knew
13:36
I
13:36
never,
13:36
never
13:36
wanted
13:37
to
13:37
go
13:37
self
13:38
published
13:38
because
13:38
I've
13:39
been
13:39
on
13:39
the
13:39
corporate
13:39
side.
13:40
So
13:41
I
13:41
know
13:41
what
13:41
corporate
13:42
offers,
13:43
which
13:43
is
13:43
all
13:43
the
13:43
sales
13:44
and
13:44
marketing
13:45
and
13:45
promotion
13:46
and
13:46
the
13:47
pr,
13:47
which
13:48
you
13:48
can't
13:48
talk
13:49
do
13:49
when
13:49
you
13:49
self
13:50
publish.
13:50
Okay?
13:51
There's
13:51
exceptions
13:52
to
13:52
everything.
13:52
All
13:53
right?
13:53
Generally
13:54
speaking,
13:55
you
13:56
as
13:56
the
13:56
individual,
13:57
can't
13:57
do
13:58
it.
13:58
Exceptions
13:58
to
13:59
everything.
14:00
And
14:00
so
14:00
I
14:00
knew
14:01
that
14:01
going
14:01
in
14:01
and
14:02
that
14:02
just
14:02
made
14:03
me
14:03
drive
14:03
harder
14:04
and
14:04
harder.
14:05
So
14:06
I
14:06
don't
14:06
know,
14:06
it's
14:06
like
14:06
any
14:07
entrepreneurial
14:08
person.
14:08
There's
14:09
just
14:09
something
14:09
inside
14:10
of
14:10
them
14:10
that
14:11
won't
14:11
let
14:11
go.
14:12
Even
14:13
though
14:13
I
14:13
wanted
14:13
to
14:13
quit
14:14
several
14:14
times
14:15
because
14:15
of
14:15
all
14:15
the
14:15
reasons
14:16
you
14:16
stayed
14:16
in,
14:17
but
14:17
I
14:17
kept
14:18
at
14:18
it.
14:19
And
14:19
like
14:20
I
14:20
said,
14:20
I've
14:20
written
14:21
dozens
14:22
of
14:22
manuscripts
14:23
that
14:23
are
14:23
polished
14:24
and
14:25
could
14:26
all
14:26
sell
14:26
right
14:27
at
14:27
retail.
14:28
My
14:29
advice
14:29
would
14:29
be
14:30
go
14:30
traditional.
14:31
Write
14:31
more
14:31
than
14:32
one
14:32
manuscript.
14:33
Don't
14:33
be
14:34
so
14:34
attached
14:34
to
14:35
one
14:35
manuscript
14:36
that,
14:36
you
14:36
know,
14:37
you
14:37
revise
14:37
it
14:37
for
14:37
10
14:38
years.
14:38
Just
14:38
write
14:38
something
14:39
else.
14:39
Write
14:39
something
14:39
else,
14:40
because
14:40
you
14:40
never
14:40
know
14:41
if
14:41
that
14:41
next
14:41
one
14:42
is
14:42
going
14:42
to
14:42
be
14:42
the
14:43
one.
14:44
And
14:44
I
14:44
would
14:44
say
14:44
go
14:45
to
14:45
a
14:45
lot
14:45
of
14:45
writing
14:46
conferences.
14:47
And
14:47
I
14:48
went
14:48
to
14:49
children's
14:50
focused
14:51
writing
14:51
conferences
14:53
and
14:53
I
14:53
joined
14:54
scbwi,
14:56
which
14:56
is
14:56
the
14:56
Global
14:57
Society
14:58
of
14:58
Children's
14:59
Books
14:59
Writers
15:00
and
15:00
Illustrators.
15:01
And
15:01
they
15:01
have
15:01
conferences
15:02
all
15:03
over
15:03
the
15:03
country.
15:04
There's
15:04
local
15:04
chapters
15:05
and
15:05
they've
15:05
got
15:05
conferences
15:06
everywhere.
15:07
So
15:07
went
15:07
to
15:07
a
15:08
lot
15:08
of
15:08
conferences
15:09
and
15:10
there's
15:10
other
15:10
organizations
15:11
that
15:11
put
15:11
conferences
15:12
earned
15:12
as
15:13
well.
15:14
So
15:14
it
15:14
was
15:15
during
15:15
COVID
15:16
the
15:16
conference
15:16
was
15:17
online,
15:18
and
15:19
I
15:19
paid
15:20
extra
15:20
to
15:22
speak
15:22
and
15:22
have
15:22
like
15:23
a
15:23
one
15:23
on
15:23
one
15:23
with
15:24
both
15:24
of
15:25
the
15:25
literary
15:26
agents
15:26
that
15:26
were
15:27
there.
15:28
And
15:28
they
15:28
both
15:29
wanted
15:29
to
15:29
see
15:29
more
15:29
work
15:30
and
15:30
I
15:31
sent
15:31
more
15:31
work
15:32
and
15:32
I
15:32
signed
15:32
with
15:33
one
15:33
of
15:33
them
15:33
after
15:33
the
15:34
conference.
15:35
And
15:35
also
15:35
during
15:35
the
15:35
conference,
15:36
I
15:36
was
15:36
talking
15:37
to
15:38
one
15:38
of
15:38
the
15:38
editors
15:39
there
15:39
and
15:39
she
15:39
was
15:40
looking
15:40
for
15:40
holiday,
15:41
but
15:41
not
15:42
Christmas
15:42
and
15:42
Easter,
15:43
because
15:43
they
15:43
had
15:43
plenty
15:43
of
15:43
that.
15:44
And
15:45
I'm
15:45
like,
15:45
oh,
15:45
well,
15:46
I
15:46
have
15:46
this
15:46
Valentine's
15:47
story.
15:48
And
15:48
I
15:48
pitched
15:48
it
15:48
to
15:49
her
15:49
and
15:49
she
15:49
was
15:49
very
15:50
interested.
15:50
She
15:50
said,
15:51
send
15:51
it.
15:51
But
15:51
she
15:52
said,
15:53
but
15:53
we
15:53
don't
15:53
work
15:54
with
15:54
agented
15:55
authors.
15:55
And
15:56
I
15:56
said,
15:56
well,
15:56
I'm
15:57
working
15:57
on
15:57
that,
15:58
and
15:58
signed
15:58
with
15:58
my
15:59
agent
15:59
right
15:59
after
16:00
the
16:00
conference.
16:00
And
16:00
then
16:00
we
16:01
got
16:01
the
16:01
story
16:01
to
16:02
her,
16:03
and
16:03
she
16:04
didn't
16:04
take
16:04
it
16:04
to
16:04
acquisitions
16:05
yet.
16:05
She
16:06
asked
16:06
for
16:06
a
16:07
bunch
16:07
of
16:07
revisions,
16:08
which
16:08
we
16:08
did
16:08
over
16:09
a
16:09
couple
16:09
month
16:09
period.
16:11
And
16:11
then
16:11
she
16:11
asked
16:12
for
16:13
me
16:13
to
16:13
write
16:14
story
16:15
summaries
16:15
in
16:16
case
16:16
they
16:16
wanted
16:17
to
16:17
make
16:17
this
16:17
more
16:18
into
16:18
a
16:18
series,
16:19
sort
16:19
of
16:19
flesh
16:20
out
16:20
some
16:20
story
16:20
summaries
16:21
on
16:21
other
16:21
topics.
16:22
And
16:22
she
16:22
gave
16:22
me
16:23
topics,
16:23
and
16:23
we
16:24
did
16:24
that.
16:25
And
16:25
then
16:25
it
16:25
went
16:25
to
16:26
acquisitions
16:26
and
16:27
they
16:27
acquire
16:28
my
16:28
balance
16:29
line.
16:30
Oh,
16:30
good
16:30
for
16:30
you.
16:31
Wow.
16:31
Wow.
16:32
So
16:32
when
16:32
it
16:33
came
16:33
to
16:33
the
16:33
publishing
16:34
end
16:35
of
16:35
it
16:36
for
16:36
you,
16:37
what
16:37
was
16:37
the
16:37
biggest
16:38
challenge
16:38
or
16:39
frustration
16:39
during
16:40
this
16:40
journey?
16:41
The
16:41
constant
16:42
rejection,
16:43
or
16:43
are
16:43
you
16:43
talking
16:44
about
16:44
once
16:44
I
16:44
got
16:45
the
16:46
story?
16:47
When
16:47
you
16:47
finally
16:48
got
16:48
a
16:48
publishing
16:49
opportunity,
16:50
what
16:51
did
16:51
you
16:51
envision
16:52
in
16:52
your
16:52
mind
16:52
and
16:53
what
16:54
ended
16:54
up
16:54
being
16:54
the
16:54
biggest
16:55
challenge
16:55
or
16:56
frustration
16:56
as
16:57
you
16:57
were
16:57
going
16:57
through
16:58
this
16:58
traditionally
16:59
published
16:59
process?
17:01
I
17:01
kind
17:01
of
17:01
knew
17:01
what
17:02
to
17:02
expect
17:02
because
17:02
again,
17:02
I
17:03
come
17:03
from
17:03
corporate
17:04
and
17:04
I
17:04
had
17:04
been
17:05
trying
17:05
for
17:06
so
17:06
long
17:06
listening
17:07
to
17:07
so
17:07
many
17:07
conferences
17:08
and
17:08
webinars
17:08
of
17:08
people
17:09
talking
17:09
about
17:09
it.
17:11
So
17:11
not
17:11
what
17:12
did
17:12
I
17:12
not
17:12
expect?
17:13
But
17:15
we
17:15
still
17:15
revised.
17:16
So
17:16
even
17:17
though
17:17
they
17:17
bought
17:17
the
17:17
story,
17:18
you
17:18
know,
17:18
that
17:18
you
17:18
worked
17:19
on
17:19
for
17:19
years
17:19
and
17:19
years
17:20
and
17:20
you've
17:20
done
17:20
the
17:20
revisions
17:21
post
17:22
acquisition,
17:23
then
17:24
I
17:24
was
17:24
just
17:24
sort
17:25
of
17:25
surprised
17:25
how
17:25
much
17:26
revision
17:26
we
17:26
did
17:27
once
17:28
it
17:28
was
17:28
acquired.
17:29
But
17:29
honestly,
17:30
it
17:30
made
17:30
the
17:31
story
17:31
100%
17:32
better.
17:33
It
17:33
was
17:34
so
17:34
much
17:34
better
17:35
once
17:35
the
17:35
editor
17:37
and
17:37
I
17:37
worked
17:38
with
17:38
even
17:38
more
17:38
revisions.
17:39
When
17:39
you
17:40
said
17:40
revisions
17:41
prior
17:41
to
17:41
the
17:42
acquisition
17:43
and
17:43
then
17:44
edits
17:44
after,
17:45
were
17:46
you
17:46
the
17:46
one
17:47
doing
17:47
the
17:47
revisions
17:48
prior
17:49
to,
17:49
or
17:49
did
17:49
you
17:49
have
17:50
any
17:50
editing
17:51
help?
17:52
I
17:53
did
17:53
them
17:53
in
17:54
conjunction
17:54
with
17:54
my
17:54
new.
17:56
What
17:56
I'm
17:56
trying
17:56
to
17:56
get
17:57
at
17:57
is
17:57
you
17:57
said
17:58
you
17:58
had.
17:58
You
17:58
did
17:59
multiple
17:59
revisions
18:00
before,
18:01
and
18:01
then
18:02
when
18:02
there's
18:02
the
18:02
acquisition,
18:03
you
18:03
did
18:03
multiple
18:04
revisions
18:05
after.
18:06
I'm
18:06
trying
18:06
to
18:06
understand,
18:08
was
18:08
it
18:08
you
18:08
just
18:09
doing
18:09
the
18:09
revisions
18:10
on
18:10
the
18:10
before
18:11
book
18:12
and
18:12
once
18:12
they
18:13
made
18:13
the
18:13
acquisition
18:14
and
18:14
you
18:14
started
18:14
working
18:14
with
18:15
an
18:15
editor,
18:16
was
18:16
that
18:16
the
18:16
first
18:16
time
18:17
you
18:17
started
18:17
working
18:17
with
18:18
an
18:18
editor?
18:19
Yes.
18:20
You
18:20
don't
18:20
work
18:20
with
18:20
an
18:21
editor
18:21
until
18:21
your
18:22
story
18:22
is
18:22
acquired.
18:23
All
18:23
I
18:23
was
18:24
trying
18:24
to
18:24
get
18:24
at.
18:25
Did
18:25
you
18:25
have
18:25
anyone
18:26
help
18:26
you
18:26
with
18:26
your
18:27
editing
18:27
before
18:27
you
18:28
took
18:28
your
18:29
story
18:29
to
18:29
market?
18:31
Yes.
18:32
During
18:32
this
18:33
process,
18:33
you
18:34
need
18:34
to
18:35
find
18:35
some
18:35
critique
18:36
partners
18:36
and
18:36
critique
18:37
groups.
18:37
I
18:38
had
18:38
that
18:39
for
18:39
years
18:39
and
18:40
years
18:40
in
18:40
place.
18:41
Because
18:41
you
18:41
want
18:42
your
18:42
fellow
18:43
authors,
18:43
your
18:44
critique
18:44
people,
18:45
and,
18:46
you
18:46
know,
18:46
not
18:46
your
18:47
mom,
18:47
not
18:47
your
18:47
grandma,
18:48
not
18:48
your
18:48
aunt,
18:49
not
18:49
your
18:49
friend.
18:50
You
18:50
have
18:50
to
18:51
find
18:51
dedicated
18:52
authors
18:53
in
18:53
the
18:53
genre
18:54
that
18:54
you
18:54
write
18:55
that
18:55
would
18:55
be
18:56
interested
18:56
in
18:56
being
18:56
critique
18:57
partners
18:57
or
18:58
critique
18:58
group
18:59
to
18:59
get
18:59
your
18:59
story
19:01
as
19:01
polished
19:01
as
19:01
it
19:02
can.
19:02
And
19:03
then
19:03
you
19:03
start
19:04
sending
19:04
it
19:04
to
19:04
literary
19:05
Agents.
19:06
Then
19:06
you
19:06
get
19:06
your
19:07
agent
19:07
and
19:08
then
19:08
your
19:08
agent
19:08
and
19:09
you
19:09
do
19:09
some
19:09
tweaking
19:11
and
19:11
then
19:11
it
19:12
goes
19:12
out
19:12
on
19:12
submission.
19:13
And
19:14
then
19:14
once
19:14
the
19:14
editor
19:15
acquires
19:15
it,
19:16
you
19:16
know,
19:16
she
19:16
or
19:17
he
19:17
has
19:17
their
19:18
vision.
19:19
And
19:19
so
19:19
then
19:19
you
19:20
are
19:20
editing
19:21
with
19:21
them.
19:22
And
19:22
it
19:22
made
19:23
it
19:23
thousand
19:24
percent
19:24
better
19:25
to
19:26
get
19:26
it
19:26
to
19:26
where
19:26
they
19:26
need
19:27
it
19:27
to
19:27
be
19:27
to
19:28
then
19:28
hand
19:28
it
19:28
off
19:28
to
19:28
the
19:29
illustrator.
19:29
The
19:30
only
19:30
reason
19:30
I
19:30
ask
19:31
is
19:31
I'm
19:31
just
19:31
trying
19:32
to
19:32
give
19:32
people
19:32
the
19:32
process
19:33
that
19:33
you
19:33
went
19:34
through
19:35
prior
19:35
to
19:35
actually
19:36
getting
19:36
a
19:36
traditionally
19:37
published
19:37
deal.
19:38
And
19:38
you
19:39
went
19:39
to
19:39
these
19:39
critique
19:40
groups
19:40
who
19:41
helped
19:41
you.
19:41
But
19:42
at
19:42
the
19:42
end
19:42
of
19:42
the
19:42
day,
19:43
even
19:44
when
19:44
you
19:44
did
19:44
get
19:45
that
19:45
help,
19:45
you
19:46
took
19:46
your
19:46
book
19:47
and
19:47
you
19:47
still,
19:48
like
19:48
you
19:48
said,
19:49
needed.
19:50
When
19:51
you
19:51
took
19:51
it
19:51
to
19:51
the
19:51
traditional
19:52
editor,
19:53
you
19:54
ended
19:54
up
19:54
with
19:54
a
19:54
much
19:55
better
19:55
product.
19:56
And
19:56
so
19:56
what
19:57
do
19:57
you
19:57
think
19:57
they
19:57
had
19:58
as
19:58
a
19:58
quality
19:59
that
19:59
the
20:00
critique
20:01
groups
20:01
didn't
20:02
have?
20:03
I
20:04
think
20:04
they
20:04
have
20:06
the
20:06
whole
20:06
picture.
20:08
I
20:08
think
20:08
that
20:08
they've
20:09
got
20:09
the
20:10
sales
20:11
and
20:11
the
20:11
marketing,
20:12
you
20:13
know,
20:13
because
20:13
they're
20:13
working
20:13
with
20:14
those
20:14
people
20:14
every
20:15
day,
20:15
so
20:15
they're
20:15
getting
20:16
all
20:16
that
20:16
feedback.
20:18
They
20:18
themselves
20:18
are
20:19
highly
20:19
schooled,
20:20
you
20:20
know,
20:21
with
20:22
degrees
20:22
and
20:23
experience.
20:24
They've
20:24
been
20:24
in
20:24
the
20:25
children's
20:25
publishing
20:26
business
20:27
a
20:27
long
20:27
time,
20:28
so
20:28
they
20:28
know
20:29
exactly
20:29
what
20:29
to
20:30
do
20:30
and
20:31
why
20:32
it
20:32
should
20:32
be
20:32
done.
21:08
And
21:08
even
21:08
if
21:09
your
21:09
critique
21:09
partners
21:10
are
21:11
experienced,
21:12
they
21:12
don't
21:12
have
21:12
that
21:12
experience.
21:14
Okay,
21:15
and
21:15
thank
21:16
you
21:16
for
21:16
sharing
21:16
that.
21:16
I
21:16
just
21:17
wanted
21:17
everybody
21:17
to
21:18
understand
21:18
the
21:18
process.
21:19
So
21:20
you
21:20
had
21:20
mentioned
21:21
that
21:23
you
21:24
had
21:24
to
21:24
go
21:24
through
21:24
the
21:24
editing
21:25
process
21:26
then
21:26
to
21:26
turn
21:26
it
21:27
over
21:27
to
21:27
the
21:27
illustrator.
21:29
Did
21:29
you
21:29
have
21:29
any
21:30
say
21:30
in
21:30
who
21:31
the
21:31
illustrator
21:31
was
21:32
going
21:32
to
21:32
be?
21:32
Or
21:33
did
21:33
they
21:33
say,
21:34
you
21:34
know
21:35
what,
21:35
Chris,
21:36
after
21:37
all
21:37
the
21:37
editing
21:37
and
21:38
all
21:38
that,
21:39
we
21:39
think
21:39
this
21:39
is
21:40
the
21:40
right
21:40
illustrator
21:41
for
21:41
you.
21:41
So
21:42
tell
21:42
us
21:42
that
21:42
story.
21:44
Okay.
21:44
Typically
21:45
the
21:45
author
21:46
has
21:46
no
21:46
say.
21:47
That's
21:47
the
21:47
art
21:48
director
21:48
and
21:48
the
21:49
editor
21:50
figuring
21:50
it
21:50
out.
21:51
But
21:51
there's
21:51
exceptions
21:52
to
21:52
everything,
21:53
right?
21:54
So
21:54
my
21:54
editor
21:55
after
21:56
the
21:56
edit
21:56
said,
21:57
okay,
21:58
we'd
21:58
like
21:59
to
21:59
know,
21:59
like,
21:59
what
21:59
kind
22:00
of
22:00
style
22:00
or
22:00
who
22:01
you
22:01
might
22:01
be
22:01
envisioning.
22:02
So
22:02
just
22:03
make
22:03
a
22:03
list
22:03
of
22:04
illustrators
22:04
you
22:05
like
22:05
and
22:05
tell
22:05
us
22:06
why.
22:07
What
22:07
about
22:07
their
22:08
style
22:08
you
22:08
like
22:09
or
22:09
connect
22:09
vision
22:09
with
22:10
your
22:10
story?
22:11
It
22:11
doesn't
22:11
mean
22:11
we
22:11
can
22:12
get
22:12
them,
22:13
but
22:13
give
22:13
us
22:13
a
22:14
list.
22:15
Okay.
22:15
Yeah,
22:16
so.
22:16
So
22:16
I
22:17
did,
22:17
and
22:17
I
22:18
didn't
22:18
know
22:18
it,
22:18
but
22:19
my
22:19
editor
22:19
was
22:20
making
22:20
her
22:20
own
22:20
list
22:22
and
22:22
Corey
22:22
Norfield,
22:23
the
22:23
illustrator
22:24
was
22:24
on
22:24
both
22:24
of
22:24
our
22:25
lists.
22:26
Oh,
22:26
interesting.
22:27
Yeah,
22:29
she's
22:29
a
22:29
big
22:29
time,
22:30
New
22:30
York
22:30
Times
22:30
bestselling
22:31
illustrator.
22:32
So
22:32
they
22:32
said,
22:32
well,
22:33
we
22:33
don't
22:33
know
22:33
if
22:33
we
22:33
can
22:33
get
22:33
her,
22:34
but
22:35
stay
22:36
tuned.
22:37
And
22:37
in
22:37
fact,
22:38
they
22:38
did
22:38
get
22:38
her
22:38
and
22:39
she
22:39
really
22:39
brought
22:40
the
22:40
monsters
22:41
to
22:41
life.
22:42
Because
22:42
the
22:42
first
22:43
sentence
22:44
in
22:44
the
22:44
book
22:44
is,
22:44
meet
22:45
the
22:45
monsters.
22:45
That's
22:46
it.
22:46
I
22:46
don't
22:46
describe
22:47
them.
22:48
She
22:48
decided
22:49
how
22:49
big
22:49
they
22:49
were,
22:50
what
22:50
colors
22:50
they
22:51
were,
22:51
what
22:51
kind
22:51
of
22:51
features
22:52
they
22:52
were
22:52
going
22:52
to
22:52
have,
22:52
and
22:53
she
22:54
figured
22:54
out
22:54
the
22:54
whole
22:55
world.
22:55
And
22:56
that's
22:56
the
22:56
illustrator's
22:57
job.
22:58
She
22:58
didn't
22:58
have
22:58
a
22:59
conversation
22:59
with
23:00
you
23:00
prior
23:01
to
23:02
her
23:02
starting
23:02
down
23:03
that
23:03
road
23:03
of
23:04
illustration?
23:05
We
23:06
did
23:06
have
23:06
a
23:06
kickoff
23:07
meeting
23:07
with
23:08
the
23:08
editor
23:09
and
23:09
the
23:09
art
23:09
director,
23:10
but
23:12
generally,
23:14
Corrie
23:15
did
23:16
all
23:16
of
23:16
that.
23:16
Yeah,
23:17
we
23:17
discussed
23:18
a
23:18
little
23:18
bit
23:19
of
23:19
the
23:20
end
23:20
pages
23:20
and
23:21
how
23:22
she
23:22
had
23:22
some
23:23
ideas
23:23
of
23:23
how
23:23
to
23:23
enter
23:24
into
23:25
the
23:25
story.
23:26
You
23:26
didn't
23:26
have
23:27
a
23:27
visual
23:28
in
23:28
your
23:29
mind
23:29
of
23:29
what
23:30
the
23:30
monster
23:31
should
23:31
look
23:31
like?
23:33
No.
23:33
You
23:34
have
23:34
to
23:34
learn
23:35
in
23:35
this
23:35
process
23:36
that
23:36
the
23:37
illustrator
23:38
has
23:39
heard
23:39
or
23:39
his
23:40
job.
23:40
And
23:41
half
23:41
the
23:42
story
23:42
is
23:43
they
23:43
take
23:44
care
23:44
of.
23:45
And
23:45
then
23:45
you
23:46
have
23:46
your
23:46
area
23:47
and
23:47
you're
23:47
telling
23:48
half
23:48
the
23:48
story
23:48
through
23:49
the
23:49
writing
23:50
and
23:50
the
23:50
two
23:51
pair
23:51
up
23:51
together.
23:52
It's
23:52
interesting.
23:53
And
23:54
the
23:54
only
23:54
reason
23:54
I
23:54
ask
23:55
is
23:55
because
23:55
in
23:55
our
23:56
case,
23:57
I
23:57
co
23:57
authored
23:58
our
23:58
first
23:58
book
23:59
with
23:59
my
23:59
oldest
23:59
granddaughter,
24:00
and
24:01
she
24:01
and
24:02
I
24:02
had
24:02
this
24:03
strong
24:04
vision
24:05
of
24:05
what
24:05
our
24:05
main
24:06
character
24:06
looked
24:07
like,
24:07
but
24:08
we
24:09
didn't
24:09
know
24:10
where
24:10
to
24:10
go
24:10
to
24:10
have
24:11
the
24:11
character
24:12
actually
24:12
come
24:12
to
24:13
life.
24:13
Our
24:14
book
24:14
is
24:14
called.
24:14
Our
24:15
first
24:15
book
24:15
is
24:15
the
24:15
Adventures
24:16
of
24:16
Caboose,
24:16
the
24:16
Rocky
24:17
Mountain
24:17
Bear.
24:18
And
24:18
this
24:18
is
24:19
Caboose.
24:20
And
24:20
my
24:20
granddaughter
24:21
and
24:21
I
24:21
had
24:21
that
24:21
vision.
24:23
It
24:23
was
24:23
lucky.
24:24
My
24:24
wife
24:24
and
24:24
I
24:24
were
24:24
on
24:24
a
24:25
vacation
24:25
in
24:26
San
24:26
Francisco
24:27
and
24:27
we
24:27
went
24:28
into
24:28
one
24:28
of
24:28
those
24:29
plushie
24:29
stores
24:30
and.
24:31
And
24:32
we
24:32
looked
24:32
around
24:33
and
24:33
thought,
24:33
oh,
24:34
my
24:34
God,
24:34
I
24:34
think
24:34
we
24:34
could
24:35
piece
24:35
this
24:35
thing
24:35
together.
24:36
And
24:36
we
24:37
had
24:37
one
24:37
of
24:37
the
24:37
people
24:38
who
24:38
was
24:38
working
24:39
in
24:39
the
24:39
store
24:39
come
24:39
over
24:39
and
24:40
we
24:40
told
24:40
them
24:40
about
24:41
our
24:41
story.
24:42
And
24:42
before
24:43
we
24:43
knew
24:43
it,
24:43
we
24:44
had
24:44
this
24:45
plushie,
24:45
which
24:45
is
24:46
right
24:46
behind
24:46
me.
24:47
And
24:47
then
24:47
from
24:48
there
24:48
we
24:48
were
24:48
able
24:49
to
24:49
develop
24:49
our
24:50
own
24:50
plushie.
24:51
Then
24:51
I
24:51
sent
24:52
a
24:52
picture
24:52
of
24:52
the
24:53
plushie
24:53
to
24:53
an
24:53
illustrator
24:54
we
24:54
found,
24:55
and
24:55
that
24:56
illustrator
24:56
brought
24:57
Caboose
24:58
to
24:58
life.
24:59
So
24:59
it
24:59
was
24:59
kind
24:59
of
24:59
cool.
25:00
That's
25:00
why
25:00
I
25:00
asked
25:01
you
25:01
about,
25:01
did
25:01
you
25:01
have
25:02
a
25:02
vision
25:02
of
25:02
what
25:03
your
25:03
character
25:03
should
25:04
look
25:04
like?
25:04
Because
25:05
sometimes
25:05
we
25:05
do
25:06
and
25:06
sometimes
25:07
we
25:07
don't.
25:08
And
25:08
the
25:08
illustrator
25:09
can
25:10
help
25:10
us
25:10
out
25:10
a
25:10
lot.
25:11
Bring
25:11
it
25:11
to
25:11
life.
25:12
You
25:12
learn
25:13
if
25:13
you
25:13
go
25:13
traditional
25:14
publishing,
25:15
to
25:15
let
25:15
all
25:15
of
25:15
that
25:16
go
25:16
and
25:16
really
25:16
don't
25:17
even
25:17
think
25:17
about
25:17
it.
25:18
Your
25:18
job
25:18
is
25:19
to
25:19
really
25:19
make
25:19
the
25:20
words
25:20
sing,
25:21
to
25:21
be
25:22
as
25:22
elevated
25:23
as
25:23
they
25:23
can,
25:24
you
25:25
know,
25:25
to
25:25
sell
25:25
on
25:26
that
25:26
big
25:26
five
25:27
level.
25:28
Are
25:28
you
25:29
happy
25:29
with
25:29
characters
25:30
as
25:30
the
25:31
illustrator
25:31
brought
25:32
them
25:32
to
25:32
life?
25:33
Absolutely.
25:34
They're
25:34
fantastic.
25:36
That's
25:36
awesome.
25:37
That's
25:37
awesome.
25:38
I
25:38
also
25:39
was
25:39
looking
25:39
at
25:40
your
25:40
website
25:41
and
25:43
being
25:43
traditionally
25:44
published,
25:44
were
25:45
you
25:45
given
25:45
direction
25:46
on
25:47
how
25:47
you
25:48
needed
25:48
to
25:48
develop
25:49
your
25:49
website
25:50
or
25:50
did
25:50
you
25:51
develop
25:51
it
25:51
on
25:52
your
25:52
own?
25:52
Tell
25:52
us
25:53
your
25:53
website
25:54
story.
25:55
Website
25:56
story
25:56
is
25:58
every
25:58
author
25:59
knows
26:00
they
26:00
need
26:00
a
26:00
website
26:01
at
26:01
some
26:01
point.
26:02
And
26:03
the
26:03
only
26:05
direction
26:06
I
26:06
got
26:06
was
26:07
from
26:07
my
26:07
agent
26:08
when
26:08
we
26:08
got
26:09
the
26:09
book
26:09
deal.
26:10
And
26:11
she
26:11
said,
26:11
you
26:11
know,
26:12
go
26:12
ahead
26:12
and
26:12
get
26:13
your
26:13
website
26:13
developed
26:14
for
26:15
when
26:15
the
26:15
book
26:15
comes
26:15
out.
26:17
And
26:17
so
26:18
I
26:19
had
26:19
heard
26:20
of
26:20
a
26:21
website
26:21
designer,
26:22
Websy
26:22
Daisy,
26:23
based
26:23
out
26:23
of
26:24
Austin,
26:24
and
26:25
she
26:25
does
26:25
a
26:25
lot
26:25
of
26:26
authors.
26:26
I
26:26
looked
26:27
at
26:27
a
26:27
lot
26:27
of
26:27
her
26:27
examples.
26:28
Long
26:29
story
26:29
short,
26:29
I
26:29
went
26:30
with
26:30
her
26:30
and
26:30
got
26:31
the
26:31
website
26:31
all
26:32
developed
26:33
and
26:33
ready
26:34
for
26:34
the
26:34
first
26:34
book.
26:35
It's
26:35
her
26:36
design
26:36
and
26:36
also
26:37
my
26:37
vision.
26:38
And
26:38
now
26:39
is
26:39
she
26:39
still
26:40
hands
26:40
on
26:41
with
26:41
you
26:41
with
26:41
your
26:42
website?
26:43
Like,
26:43
because
26:43
we're
26:44
talking
26:44
over
26:44
three
26:44
years
26:45
ago
26:46
to
26:46
now,
26:47
every
26:48
time
26:48
I
26:48
have
26:48
updates,
26:49
which
26:49
I
26:49
do,
26:50
I
26:50
send
26:51
them
26:51
to
26:51
her
26:51
and
26:51
then
26:52
she'll
26:53
update
26:53
the
26:53
website
26:54
accordingly.
26:55
Terrific.
26:56
Because,
26:56
I
26:56
mean,
26:57
I
26:57
love
26:57
your
26:57
website.
26:58
I
26:58
try
26:58
and
26:58
emphasize
26:59
this
26:59
because,
27:00
you
27:00
know,
27:00
we
27:00
have
27:00
a
27:00
website.
27:01
We
27:02
actually
27:02
developed
27:03
our
27:03
website
27:04
after
27:04
we
27:05
launched
27:05
our
27:05
book
27:06
because
27:07
people
27:07
kept
27:08
asking,
27:08
where's
27:08
your
27:08
home?
27:09
And
27:09
I
27:09
was
27:09
thinking,
27:09
what
27:10
are
27:10
you
27:10
talking
27:10
about?
27:11
They
27:11
were
27:11
talking
27:12
your
27:12
home
27:12
for
27:12
your
27:12
book,
27:13
your
27:13
website.
27:13
Luckily
27:14
for
27:14
us,
27:14
and
27:14
I
27:15
say
27:15
to
27:15
aspiring
27:16
children's
27:16
book
27:17
authors,
27:17
is
27:18
a
27:18
lot
27:18
of
27:18
times
27:19
when
27:19
you're
27:19
developing
27:20
your
27:20
book,
27:20
you've
27:20
got
27:21
all
27:21
this
27:21
great
27:22
artwork
27:23
and
27:23
you
27:23
can
27:24
incorporate
27:24
it
27:24
into
27:25
your
27:25
website.
27:25
And
27:26
that's
27:26
what
27:26
we
27:26
did.
27:26
And
27:27
away
27:27
we
27:27
went.
27:28
Now,
27:28
I
27:28
noticed,
27:29
and
27:30
you've
27:30
done
27:30
something
27:31
very
27:31
unique.
27:31
I
27:32
love
27:32
what
27:32
you've
27:32
done.
27:33
And.
27:34
And
27:34
I
27:34
want
27:34
to
27:35
talk
27:35
more
27:35
about
27:35
this
27:36
on
27:36
your
27:36
website.
27:37
I
27:37
love
27:38
how
27:38
you
27:39
highlighted
27:40
other
27:40
children's
27:41
book
27:41
authors
27:41
with
27:42
the
27:42
Valentine
27:43
theme.
27:44
And
27:45
you
27:45
did
27:45
this
27:46
on
27:46
your
27:46
website
27:46
with
27:47
14.
27:48
So
27:48
including
27:49
your
27:49
book,
27:49
14
27:51
books
27:51
that
27:52
have
27:52
children's
27:53
books
27:53
that
27:53
have
27:53
the
27:53
Valentine's
27:54
theme.
27:54
And
27:55
I
27:55
thought,
27:55
wow,
27:56
what
27:57
a
27:57
great
27:57
thing
27:57
to
27:57
do.
27:58
Tell
27:58
us
27:58
about
27:59
this
28:00
whole
28:00
idea.
28:01
How
28:01
did
28:01
you
28:01
come
28:02
up
28:02
with
28:02
the
28:02
idea
28:03
and
28:03
how
28:03
is
28:04
it
28:04
working
28:04
out?
28:04
We
28:05
just
28:05
recently
28:05
passed
28:06
Valentine's
28:07
Day.
28:07
That
28:07
came
28:08
from
28:09
the
28:09
PR
28:09
lady
28:10
at
28:11
Penguin
28:12
Rhythm
28:12
House,
28:13
and
28:14
she
28:14
sent
28:15
it
28:15
to
28:15
me,
28:16
and
28:16
I
28:16
wanted
28:16
to
28:17
get
28:17
it
28:17
up
28:17
on
28:17
the
28:17
website
28:18
because
28:18
it
28:18
does
28:18
highlight
28:19
Valentine's
28:20
Day
28:20
in
28:21
my
28:21
book
28:21
and
28:21
yes,
28:22
some
28:22
other
28:22
books.
28:23
So
28:24
we're
28:24
always
28:25
looking
28:25
for
28:27
what
28:27
to
28:27
put
28:28
on
28:28
to
28:28
amplify
28:29
your
28:30
story,
28:30
your
28:30
books,
28:31
whether
28:31
it's
28:32
an
28:32
award
28:33
and
28:33
be.
28:34
My
28:34
Balance
28:34
Line
28:35
does
28:35
have
28:35
a
28:35
star
28:36
review
28:36
from
28:37
School
28:37
Library
28:37
Journal,
28:38
which
28:38
is
28:38
a
28:39
huge,
28:39
huge
28:40
deal,
28:41
especially
28:41
within
28:41
the
28:42
schools.
28:42
It
28:42
makes
28:43
librarians
28:43
really
28:44
Stop
28:45
and
28:45
look
28:45
and,
28:46
you
28:46
know,
28:46
buy
28:47
your
28:47
book
28:47
or
28:47
bring
28:47
you
28:48
in
28:48
for
28:48
a
28:48
school
28:48
visit.
28:50
So
28:50
I'm
28:50
always
28:50
looking
28:51
for
28:51
things
28:51
like
28:51
that.
28:51
And
28:52
I'm
28:52
getting
28:52
ready
28:52
to
28:52
do
28:53
a
28:53
big
28:53
website
28:54
update
28:55
because
28:55
be
28:56
my
28:56
balance
28:56
line
28:56
just
28:57
came
28:57
in
28:57
as
28:58
a
28:58
2025
29:00
award
29:00
winner.
29:00
With
29:01
the
29:01
seasons
29:01
of
29:02
kid
29:02
lit,
29:03
it
29:03
was
29:03
one
29:03
of
29:04
the
29:04
best
29:04
spring
29:05
books
29:05
that
29:06
they
29:06
highlighted.
29:07
So
29:07
there
29:07
were
29:08
a
29:08
couple
29:08
of
29:08
us
29:08
award
29:09
winners.
29:09
Well,
29:09
congratulations.
29:10
Thanks.
29:11
What's
29:11
amazing,
29:12
too,
29:12
and
29:13
again,
29:13
I'm
29:13
hoping
29:14
to
29:14
with
29:15
listeners,
29:15
especially
29:16
aspiring
29:16
children's
29:17
book
29:17
authors,
29:18
is
29:18
here
29:18
you
29:19
are
29:19
winning
29:20
an
29:20
Award
29:20
in
29:21
2025
29:22
for
29:23
a
29:23
book
29:23
that
29:23
you
29:24
published
29:24
in
29:24
2023.
29:26
I
29:26
try
29:27
to
29:27
emphasize
29:27
that
29:28
because
29:28
I
29:29
say
29:29
to
29:29
everybody,
29:30
your
29:30
book
29:30
is
29:31
evergreen.
29:31
It's
29:32
a
29:32
children's
29:32
book,
29:33
and
29:34
it's
29:34
timeless.
29:35
It's
29:36
really
29:36
the
29:36
effort
29:36
you
29:37
put
29:37
into
29:37
your
29:37
book
29:39
every
29:39
day
29:40
that
29:40
keeps
29:40
it
29:41
timeless.
29:42
And
29:42
so
29:43
what
29:43
you've
29:43
done
29:43
is
29:44
that's
29:45
phenomenal.
29:45
To
29:46
actually
29:47
launch
29:47
a
29:47
book
29:47
in
29:47
2023,
29:48
win
29:48
an
29:49
award
29:49
in
29:49
2025.
29:50
I
29:50
hope
29:51
that
29:51
inspires
29:51
some
29:52
people
29:52
to
29:52
think
29:52
about
29:53
just
29:53
because
29:54
you've
29:54
published
29:54
your
29:55
book,
29:55
you
29:56
need
29:56
to
29:56
put
29:57
work
29:58
into
29:58
it
29:58
every
29:58
day
29:59
to
29:59
keep
29:59
it
29:59
alive.
30:01
Exactly.
30:03
When
30:03
you
30:04
work
30:04
with
30:04
the
30:05
PR
30:05
person,
30:05
I
30:06
love
30:06
what
30:06
you
30:06
did.
30:07
Did
30:07
they.
30:08
And
30:08
I
30:08
love
30:08
the
30:09
14.
30:09
And
30:10
I
30:10
think
30:10
most
30:10
people
30:11
have
30:11
figured
30:11
out
30:12
Valentine's
30:12
always
30:13
falls
30:13
on
30:13
February
30:14
14,
30:15
so
30:15
14
30:15
books,
30:16
which
30:16
is
30:16
a
30:16
great
30:16
hook.
30:17
Did
30:19
the
30:19
PR
30:20
person
30:21
also
30:21
go
30:21
to
30:22
the
30:22
other
30:22
13
30:23
authors
30:24
and
30:24
have
30:25
them
30:25
do
30:25
the
30:25
same
30:25
thing
30:26
on
30:26
their
30:26
website?
30:27
So
30:27
that
30:27
you
30:27
got,
30:28
you
30:28
know,
30:28
if
30:29
you
30:29
tell
30:29
a
30:29
friend,
30:29
the
30:29
friend
30:30
tells
30:30
another
30:30
friend,
30:31
and
30:31
so
30:31
on
30:31
and
30:31
so
30:32
forth?
30:32
Did
30:32
that
30:33
happen?
30:34
I
30:34
doubt
30:35
it,
30:35
because
30:35
they're
30:35
probably
30:36
all
30:36
with
30:36
different
30:36
publishers
30:38
or
30:38
imprints.
30:39
Okay.
30:40
Interesting,
30:41
interesting.
30:41
And
30:42
all
30:42
those
30:42
other
30:42
big
30:43
five
30:43
publishers
30:44
and
30:44
imprints
30:44
have
30:45
their
30:45
own
30:46
PR
30:46
people,
30:46
so.
30:47
Right.
30:48
I
30:48
don't
30:48
know
30:48
what
30:49
they
30:49
did
30:49
with
30:49
it.
30:49
I'll
30:50
kick
30:50
your
30:50
PR
30:51
person
30:51
in
30:51
the
30:52
butt
30:52
and
30:52
say,
30:52
okay,
30:53
listen,
30:53
I
30:53
got
30:53
a
30:54
great
30:54
idea.
30:54
Let's
30:55
get
30:55
on
30:55
everybody's
30:56
website
30:57
with
30:57
this
30:57
idea.
30:58
Anyways,
30:59
I
30:59
love
30:59
what
30:59
you
30:59
did,
30:59
and
31:00
hopefully
31:00
some
31:01
of
31:01
them
31:01
took
31:01
advantage
31:02
of
31:02
it.
31:03
I
31:03
have
31:03
a
31:04
big
31:04
tab
31:04
on
31:05
my
31:05
website
31:05
for
31:05
school
31:06
business
31:06
because
31:06
that
31:07
I'm
31:07
trying
31:08
to
31:08
get
31:08
that
31:08
to
31:09
be
31:09
more
31:09
and
31:09
more
31:10
grown.
31:10
That
31:11
part
31:11
of
31:11
the
31:11
business,
31:11
too.
31:12
Okay,
31:12
so
31:13
let's
31:13
talk
31:13
about
31:13
your
31:14
school
31:14
visit
31:14
strategy,
31:15
because
31:16
I
31:16
noticed
31:17
that
31:18
you
31:18
charge
31:19
for
31:19
your
31:20
school
31:20
visits,
31:21
which
31:21
I
31:21
love,
31:22
because
31:22
I
31:23
recommend
31:24
that.
31:25
What
31:25
happens
31:26
is
31:26
most
31:26
of
31:26
us
31:27
as
31:27
children's
31:27
book
31:28
authors,
31:29
you
31:29
know,
31:30
they
31:30
say
31:30
that
31:31
the
31:31
average
31:31
book
31:32
sells
31:32
between
31:33
100
31:33
and
31:34
500
31:34
copies
31:35
over
31:35
the
31:35
lifetime
31:36
of
31:37
a
31:37
book.
31:38
If
31:38
you
31:38
just
31:38
take
31:38
the
31:39
Retail
31:40
pricing,
31:40
you'll
31:41
see
31:41
that
31:41
that
31:42
never
31:42
pays
31:43
for
31:44
the
31:44
investment
31:45
you've
31:45
made
31:45
as
31:46
an
31:46
author.
31:47
And
31:47
when
31:48
people
31:49
actually
31:49
understand
31:50
they
31:50
have
31:50
to
31:50
build
31:51
a
31:51
business
31:51
around
31:51
their
31:52
book
31:52
and
31:53
they
31:53
shouldn't
31:53
be
31:53
shy
31:54
about
31:55
charging
31:56
for
31:57
things
31:57
like
31:57
school
31:58
visits.
31:58
Talk
31:58
to
31:59
us
31:59
about
31:59
that
31:59
strategy
32:00
and
32:00
how
32:01
it's
32:01
working
32:01
for
32:01
you.
32:03
It's
32:03
tough,
32:04
like
32:04
every
32:04
single
32:05
part
32:05
of
32:05
this
32:05
business,
32:06
because
32:06
you
32:06
are
32:06
competing
32:07
against
32:07
every
32:08
single
32:08
other.
32:09
But
32:09
they're
32:10
out
32:10
there,
32:11
and
32:11
schools
32:13
don't
32:14
have
32:14
a
32:14
lot
32:14
of
32:14
money,
32:15
and
32:15
a
32:15
lot
32:15
of
32:16
schools
32:16
don't
32:16
have
32:16
any
32:17
that
32:17
they
32:17
can
32:18
use.
32:19
It's
32:19
tough.
32:20
You
32:20
know,
32:20
it's
32:20
not
32:21
easy
32:21
peasy.
32:22
So
32:22
you
32:23
just
32:23
have
32:24
to
32:24
take
32:24
time
32:25
and
32:25
contact
32:26
librarians.
32:27
And
32:28
I
32:28
spent
32:28
a
32:29
lot
32:29
of
32:29
time
32:29
on
32:29
the
32:29
back
32:30
end
32:30
developing
32:31
my
32:31
programming
32:32
because
32:33
you
32:33
need
32:33
to
32:33
do
32:33
more
32:34
than
32:34
just
32:34
go
32:34
in
32:34
there
32:34
and
32:34
read
32:35
your
32:35
book.
32:35
You
32:35
have
32:35
to
32:35
have
32:36
a
32:36
whole
32:36
program.
32:37
You
32:37
should
32:37
have
32:37
several
32:38
different
32:38
programs
32:39
so
32:39
that
32:39
you
32:39
can
32:39
hit
32:40
the
32:40
different
32:40
ages
32:41
in
32:41
the
32:41
school.
32:41
You
32:41
can't
32:42
give
32:42
the
32:42
same
32:42
program
32:42
to
32:43
kindergarten
32:43
that
32:44
you
32:44
went
32:44
for
32:44
fifth
32:44
graders.
32:46
And
32:46
once
32:47
you
32:47
get
32:48
into
32:48
sort
32:48
of
32:48
that
32:49
second
32:49
grade
32:49
and
32:50
up,
32:50
you
32:51
have
32:51
to
32:51
have
32:51
something
32:52
in
32:52
your
32:52
program
32:53
where
32:53
they
32:53
learn
32:53
something.
32:54
I
32:54
noticed
32:55
on
32:55
your
32:55
website
32:56
you
32:56
say,
32:56
ask
32:57
Chris
32:57
about
32:58
pricing
32:58
or
32:59
something
32:59
like
32:59
that.
33:00
So
33:01
when
33:01
they.
33:01
When
33:02
they
33:02
contact
33:02
you,
33:03
then
33:03
that's
33:03
when
33:03
you
33:04
discuss
33:05
your
33:05
pricing
33:06
and
33:07
what
33:07
you
33:07
will
33:07
do
33:08
for
33:09
that
33:09
price.
33:10
Well,
33:11
I
33:11
send
33:11
out
33:11
the
33:11
initial
33:12
email
33:12
with
33:13
what
33:13
my
33:14
programming
33:14
looks
33:15
like,
33:15
and
33:15
it
33:15
includes.
33:16
And
33:16
then
33:17
if
33:17
they're
33:17
interested,
33:17
they
33:18
do
33:18
respond
33:18
back
33:19
and
33:19
ask
33:19
about
33:19
pricing.
33:20
And
33:21
then
33:21
I
33:21
go
33:21
over
33:22
all
33:22
of
33:22
that,
33:23
and
33:24
then
33:25
we
33:25
see
33:26
if
33:26
they
33:26
have
33:26
the
33:26
budget.
33:27
Chris,
33:28
you're
33:28
doing
33:28
this
33:29
work,
33:29
right?
33:29
The
33:30
publishing
33:30
company
33:31
didn't
33:31
say,
33:31
oh,
33:32
by
33:32
the
33:32
way,
33:32
Chris,
33:33
we've
33:33
got
33:33
all
33:33
these
33:34
schools.
33:34
You're
33:34
such
33:35
a
33:35
great
33:35
children's
33:36
book
33:36
author.
33:37
Here's
33:38
a
33:38
hundred
33:38
school
33:39
visits
33:39
this
33:39
year.
33:40
No,
33:40
it's.
33:41
It's
33:41
all
33:41
me.
33:41
They
33:42
love
33:42
that
33:42
I'm
33:42
doing
33:43
it
33:43
because
33:43
when
33:43
I
33:43
get
33:44
in,
33:44
you
33:45
know,
33:45
the
33:45
book
33:45
gets
33:46
all
33:46
kinds
33:46
of
33:47
exposure
33:47
and
33:47
awareness
33:48
with
33:48
the
33:49
librarian
33:49
and
33:49
the
33:50
kids.
33:50
And
33:51
you
33:51
can,
33:52
you
33:52
know,
33:53
you
33:53
can
33:53
offer
33:54
book
33:54
sales
33:54
in
33:55
conjunction
33:55
with
33:56
your
33:56
visit.
33:57
And
33:57
some
33:58
parents
33:58
will
33:58
buy
33:58
the
33:59
book,
33:59
some
33:59
won't.
34:00
It's
34:00
a
34:00
great
34:00
exposure
34:01
mechanism.
34:02
And,
34:02
yeah,
34:02
it
34:02
can
34:03
sell
34:03
more
34:03
books.
34:04
Even
34:04
as
34:04
a
34:04
traditionally
34:05
published
34:06
children's
34:06
book
34:07
author,
34:08
it's
34:08
you
34:08
who's
34:09
keeping
34:09
the
34:10
flame
34:10
alive,
34:11
Right?
34:12
So
34:12
what
34:12
did
34:12
I
34:13
do
34:13
between
34:13
Be
34:13
My
34:14
balance,
34:14
life
34:14
at
34:14
23
34:15
and
34:15
bed
34:15
slam
34:16
blues
34:16
at
34:16
26?
34:17
It's
34:17
a
34:17
lot
34:18
of
34:18
this
34:18
kind
34:18
of
34:19
thing,
34:19
too.
34:20
So
34:20
you're
34:20
everything.
34:21
You're
34:21
creating
34:22
the
34:22
content,
34:22
you're
34:23
the
34:23
marketing.
34:23
Person.
34:24
You're
34:24
the
34:24
salesperson.
34:26
Your
34:26
PR
34:26
on
34:27
many
34:27
levels,
34:28
like
34:28
with
34:28
school
34:29
visits
34:29
and
34:30
some
34:30
of
34:30
these.
34:30
These
34:31
things
34:31
like
34:31
that.
34:32
I'm
34:32
not
34:32
talking
34:33
about
34:33
the
34:33
publisher.
34:33
They
34:34
have
34:34
their
34:34
own
34:34
huge
34:35
umbrella,
34:36
for
34:36
sure.
34:37
And.
34:37
And
34:38
that's
34:38
why
34:38
I
34:38
loved.
34:38
When
34:38
I
34:39
looked
34:39
at
34:39
your
34:39
website,
34:39
I
34:40
thought,
34:40
wow,
34:41
I
34:41
look
34:41
at
34:42
your
34:42
events
34:42
tab,
34:43
and
34:44
I
34:44
don't
34:44
think
34:45
I've
34:45
seen
34:45
a
34:45
more
34:46
comprehensive
34:47
events
34:48
tab
34:48
going
34:49
out.
34:49
As
34:49
far
34:49
as
34:50
you've
34:50
gone
34:50
out,
34:51
everybody
34:52
has
34:52
a
34:52
little
34:52
events
34:53
tab
34:53
on
34:54
their
34:54
website,
34:55
but
34:55
yours.
34:56
And
34:56
I
34:57
would.
34:57
If
34:57
you're
34:58
an
34:58
aspiring
34:58
children's
34:59
book
34:59
author,
35:00
go
35:00
to
35:00
Chris's
35:01
website
35:01
because.
35:02
And
35:02
go
35:02
to
35:02
her
35:02
events
35:03
tab
35:03
because,
35:04
holy
35:04
jumping,
35:05
you
35:05
look
35:06
like
35:06
you're
35:06
one
35:06
busy
35:07
children's
35:07
book
35:07
author.
35:08
So
35:08
talk
35:08
to
35:09
us
35:09
about
35:09
your
35:09
events
35:10
tab
35:11
and
35:11
maybe
35:11
highlight
35:12
a
35:12
couple
35:12
of
35:13
the
35:13
events
35:13
that
35:13
you're
35:14
looking
35:14
forward
35:14
to
35:15
attending
35:16
in
35:16
2026.
35:18
Well,
35:18
they're
35:18
all
35:20
sort
35:20
of
35:20
surrounding
35:21
Bed
35:21
Sling
35:21
Blue
35:22
since
35:22
it
35:22
just
35:22
launched.
35:23
And
35:24
a
35:24
lot
35:24
of
35:24
it,
35:25
again,
35:25
is
35:25
me.
35:25
I
35:26
mean,
35:26
the
35:26
PR
35:26
lady
35:27
did
35:27
arrange
35:27
some
35:27
things,
35:28
like
35:28
this
35:29
interview
35:29
that
35:29
we're
35:29
doing
35:30
right
35:30
now,
35:31
but
35:31
a
35:31
lot
35:31
of
35:31
the
35:32
blogging,
35:33
I
35:33
contacted
35:35
authors
35:35
that
35:36
have
35:36
blogs
35:37
to
35:37
try
35:37
to
35:38
get
35:38
exposure
35:39
and
35:39
to
35:39
see
35:39
if
35:40
they'll
35:40
have
35:40
me
35:40
on
35:40
their
35:41
blog.
35:41
And
35:42
I
35:42
went
35:43
after
35:43
all
35:44
those
35:44
Barnes
35:44
and
35:44
Nobles
35:45
that
35:45
you
35:45
see
35:45
on
35:46
the
35:46
events
35:46
tab
35:46
to
35:47
see
35:47
if
35:47
they
35:47
would
35:48
host
35:48
me
35:48
for
35:49
story
35:49
time
35:49
and
35:50
book
35:50
signing.
35:51
Now,
35:51
they
35:51
bring
35:52
all
35:52
the
35:52
books
35:52
in
35:53
because
35:53
I'm
35:54
traditionally
35:54
published,
35:54
so
35:55
they
35:55
order
35:55
all
35:55
of
35:56
them
35:56
in.
35:57
Then
35:57
I
35:57
go
35:57
for
35:58
a
35:58
couple
35:58
hours
35:58
and
35:59
do
36:00
the
36:00
story
36:00
time,
36:00
and
36:00
I
36:01
personalize
36:01
and
36:01
sign,
36:02
and
36:03
I've
36:03
got
36:03
a
36:03
great
36:04
giveaway.
36:05
That's
36:05
for
36:05
Bed
36:06
Slain
36:06
Blues.
36:06
I
36:06
don't
36:06
know
36:06
if
36:07
you
36:07
can
36:07
see
36:07
it
36:07
on
36:07
screen.
36:07
Oh,
36:07
yeah.
36:08
With
36:08
all
36:08
your
36:08
characters.
36:09
It's
36:09
interesting.
36:10
Yes.
36:10
Beautiful.
36:11
So.
36:12
And
36:12
I
36:13
noticed
36:13
you've
36:13
got
36:14
a
36:14
QR
36:14
code.
36:15
Tell
36:15
us
36:15
about
36:15
that
36:15
also.
36:17
Well,
36:17
I
36:17
went
36:17
to
36:18
Penguin
36:18
Random
36:18
House
36:19
to
36:19
my
36:19
marketing
36:20
and
36:20
PR
36:20
lady,
36:21
and
36:21
I'm
36:21
like,
36:21
hey,
36:22
a
36:23
lot
36:23
of
36:23
authors
36:23
have
36:24
cookies
36:25
at
36:25
their
36:25
book
36:25
launches.
36:26
And
36:27
my
36:27
cookie
36:27
lady
36:28
was
36:28
booked.
36:29
And
36:29
so
36:29
I
36:29
was
36:29
thinking
36:30
maybe
36:30
I
36:30
would
36:30
do
36:30
stickers,
36:31
because
36:31
kids
36:32
love
36:32
stickers,
36:34
and
36:34
would
36:34
that
36:35
be
36:35
okay?
36:36
And
36:36
what
36:36
kind
36:36
of
36:36
copyright
36:37
information
36:37
should
36:38
I
36:38
make
36:38
sure
36:38
is
36:38
included?
36:39
And
36:40
they
36:40
said,
36:41
oh,
36:42
let
36:43
us
36:43
create
36:44
the
36:44
entire
36:44
sticker
36:45
sheet
36:45
for
36:46
you.
36:47
So
36:47
they
36:47
did.
36:48
They
36:48
created
36:49
this
36:49
entire
36:49
thing.
36:50
Okay.
36:51
And
36:51
the
36:52
QR
36:52
code
36:53
takes
36:53
people
36:54
to
36:55
Penguin
36:56
Random
36:56
House's
36:57
landing
36:57
page
36:58
for
36:58
both
36:58
Be
36:58
My
36:59
Balance
36:59
Slime
36:59
and
36:59
Bed
37:00
Slime
37:00
Blues.
37:00
Great
37:01
idea.
37:01
Great
37:02
idea.
37:03
And
37:03
it's
37:04
interesting
37:04
you
37:04
should
37:05
say
37:05
that,
37:05
because
37:06
one
37:06
of
37:06
the
37:06
things
37:06
that
37:06
we
37:06
did
37:07
is
37:07
we.
37:07
We
37:07
developed
37:08
a
37:08
Children's
37:09
bookmarker.
37:10
For
37:10
our
37:10
first
37:10
book,
37:11
we
37:11
put
37:11
a
37:12
QR
37:12
code
37:12
on
37:13
the
37:13
front
37:13
of
37:13
it.
37:14
And
37:14
it
37:14
is
37:15
my
37:15
middle
37:16
granddaughter
37:16
who
37:17
has
37:17
the
37:17
perfect
37:17
voice
37:18
for
37:18
Caboose,
37:19
because
37:19
Caboose
37:20
is
37:20
a
37:20
female
37:21
named
37:21
after
37:21
my
37:22
oldest
37:22
granddaughter
37:23
Kira.
37:24
So
37:24
that's
37:24
why
37:24
Caboose
37:25
has
37:25
got
37:25
a
37:25
K.
37:26
The
37:26
actual
37:26
audiobook
37:28
read
37:28
by
37:28
my
37:29
middle
37:29
granddaughter,
37:30
Bailey.
37:32
And
37:32
then
37:32
it
37:33
also
37:33
has
37:33
the
37:34
Story
37:34
behind
37:34
the
37:35
Story
37:35
where
37:36
I
37:36
interview
37:36
my
37:37
oldest
37:37
granddaughter
37:38
and
37:39
we
37:39
talk
37:39
about
37:39
how
37:40
we
37:40
came
37:40
up
37:40
with
37:40
the
37:41
idea
37:42
behind
37:43
our
37:43
first
37:43
book.
37:44
QR
37:44
codes
37:44
are
37:45
pretty
37:45
cool.
37:45
And
37:45
I
37:46
actually
37:46
even
37:46
use
37:47
it
37:47
now
37:47
on
37:47
my
37:47
business
37:48
card
37:49
with
37:49
the
37:49
QR
37:50
code.
37:50
If
37:50
you
37:51
scan
37:51
the
37:51
QR
37:51
code
37:52
on
37:52
my
37:52
business
37:52
card,
37:53
it
37:53
takes
37:53
you
37:53
to
37:54
the
37:54
latest
37:54
podcast
37:55
episode
37:56
that
37:56
we
37:56
have
37:57
currently.
37:58
I
37:58
would
37:58
encourage
37:59
people
37:59
to
38:00
really
38:00
learn
38:01
how
38:01
to
38:01
use
38:01
QR
38:02
codes
38:02
because
38:02
they
38:02
can
38:02
be
38:03
quite
38:03
invaluable.
38:05
Very
38:05
popular
38:06
thing.
38:06
The
38:06
other
38:06
thing
38:07
that
38:07
marketing
38:08
and
38:09
PR
38:09
created
38:10
actually
38:11
for
38:11
both
38:11
books.
38:12
But
38:12
if
38:12
you
38:12
go
38:12
on
38:13
my
38:13
book
38:13
tab
38:14
for
38:14
Bed
38:15
Slime
38:15
Blues
38:16
and
38:16
you
38:16
scroll
38:16
down
38:17
a
38:17
little
38:17
bit,
38:17
there'll
38:18
be
38:18
a
38:18
link
38:18
that
38:19
says
38:19
activity
38:20
pack
38:21
that's
38:22
free.
38:22
And
38:22
you
38:22
click
38:22
on
38:23
it
38:23
and
38:23
it's
38:24
like
38:24
a,
38:24
I
38:24
don't
38:24
know,
38:24
a
38:25
six
38:25
or
38:25
seven
38:25
page
38:26
activity
38:27
pack
38:27
that
38:28
librarians
38:28
or
38:29
teachers
38:29
or
38:29
parents
38:30
can
38:30
print
38:30
out.
38:31
And
38:31
there's
38:32
coloring
38:32
sheets
38:32
and
38:33
a
38:33
word
38:33
search
38:33
and
38:34
a
38:34
bedtime,
38:35
like,
38:35
check
38:36
off
38:36
list
38:37
and
38:37
a
38:37
gratitude
38:38
page.
38:39
And
38:40
it's
38:40
illustrated.
38:41
It's
38:42
absolutely
38:43
adorable.
38:44
And
38:44
so
38:45
when
38:45
I
38:45
had
38:45
these
38:45
Barnes
38:45
and
38:46
Noble
38:46
events,
38:48
some
38:48
of
38:48
the
38:48
Barnes
38:48
and
38:48
Noble
38:49
would
38:49
print
38:50
out
38:50
some
38:51
of
38:51
the
38:51
Activity
38:52
Pack
38:53
pages,
38:54
which
38:54
would
38:54
also
38:55
attract
38:56
parents
38:57
and
38:57
kids
38:57
to
38:58
where
38:58
I
38:58
was
38:58
with
38:58
all
38:59
the
38:59
books.
39:00
And
39:00
the
39:00
kids
39:00
could
39:00
do
39:01
some
39:01
of
39:01
that
39:01
while
39:01
I'm
39:01
talking
39:02
to
39:02
the
39:02
parents
39:02
about
39:02
the
39:03
books.
39:03
Cool.
39:04
Cool.
39:06
Wow.
39:06
I
39:07
love
39:07
it.
39:08
I'm
39:08
curious
39:09
about
39:11
your
39:11
motivation.
39:12
You
39:12
might
39:12
have
39:12
to
39:12
think
39:13
back
39:13
a
39:13
few
39:13
years,
39:14
but
39:14
was
39:15
there
39:15
a
39:15
specific
39:16
person
39:17
or
39:17
event
39:18
that
39:18
motivated
39:19
you
39:19
to
39:19
write
39:20
your
39:20
first
39:21
children's
39:21
book?
39:22
What
39:22
was
39:22
the
39:22
trigger?
39:24
It
39:24
was
39:24
my
39:24
three
39:24
kids
39:25
when
39:25
they
39:26
were
39:26
little,
39:26
and
39:27
I
39:27
don't
39:27
have
39:27
them
39:27
in
39:28
front
39:28
of
39:28
me,
39:28
but
39:28
I
39:28
wrote
39:28
these
39:29
little
39:29
stories
39:30
and
39:30
they
39:30
were
39:30
just
39:31
on
39:31
construction
39:31
paper
39:32
and
39:32
stapled
39:33
together
39:33
with
39:34
this
39:34
goofy
39:34
little
39:35
character.
39:36
And
39:37
it
39:37
was
39:38
about
39:38
this
39:38
character.
39:39
And
39:39
he
39:39
went
39:39
on
39:39
vacation,
39:40
he
39:40
went
39:40
to
39:40
school,
39:41
he
39:41
had
39:41
all
39:41
these
39:41
little
39:42
adventures
39:42
and
39:42
they
39:43
loved
39:43
them.
39:43
They
39:43
absolutely
39:44
love
39:44
them.
39:45
And
39:45
it
39:46
even
39:46
inspired
39:46
my
39:46
oldest
39:47
son
39:47
to
39:47
start
39:48
to
39:48
write
39:48
his
39:48
own
39:48
little
39:49
fun
39:49
stories.
39:50
Isn't
39:51
that
39:51
fantastic?
39:52
Yeah.
39:53
So
39:53
that's.
39:53
Every
39:54
author
39:54
starts
39:54
somewhere
39:55
fortunate
39:56
because
39:56
I've
39:57
got
39:57
five
39:57
grandchildren
39:58
and
39:59
they
40:00
all
40:00
have
40:00
helped.
40:01
We've
40:01
written
40:02
actually
40:02
38
40:03
books
40:03
in
40:03
our
40:04
book
40:04
series,
40:05
and
40:05
they've
40:06
all
40:06
helped
40:07
me
40:07
write
40:07
one
40:08
or
40:08
two
40:08
or
40:08
more
40:09
of
40:09
the
40:09
stories,
40:10
and
40:10
they've
40:10
narrated
40:11
about
40:11
half
40:12
of
40:12
them,
40:13
so
40:13
I'm
40:13
trying
40:13
to
40:13
capture
40:14
their
40:14
younger
40:15
voices
40:15
before
40:15
they
40:16
get
40:16
too
40:17
old.
40:17
It's
40:18
a
40:18
lot
40:18
of
40:18
fun.
40:19
I
40:19
love
40:20
that
40:20
you
40:20
talked
40:20
to
40:20
us
40:21
about
40:21
the
40:21
illustrator
40:22
bringing
40:22
your
40:23
characters
40:24
to
40:24
life.
40:25
When
40:25
I
40:25
read
40:25
your
40:26
book
40:26
a
40:26
couple
40:26
of
40:26
times
40:27
and
40:27
I
40:27
looked
40:28
at
40:28
all
40:28
the
40:28
monsters,
40:29
and
40:29
I
40:29
thought,
40:30
wow,
40:30
like,
40:31
somebody
40:31
had
40:31
a
40:32
very
40:32
vivid
40:33
imagination.
40:34
The
40:34
only
40:35
thing
40:35
is,
40:35
Chris,
40:36
you.
40:36
You
40:36
don't
40:36
have
40:36
a
40:36
vivid
40:37
imagination
40:38
unless
40:38
the
40:39
words.
40:40
My
40:40
granddaughter
40:41
and
40:41
I
40:41
always
40:42
knew
40:42
when
40:42
we
40:43
wrote
40:43
our
40:43
first
40:43
book
40:44
about
40:44
Caboose,
40:45
we
40:45
knew
40:45
what
40:46
Caboose
40:46
looked
40:47
like
40:47
in
40:47
our
40:47
minds,
40:48
and
40:48
her
40:49
thoughts
40:49
and
40:50
my
40:50
thoughts
40:50
kind
40:51
of
40:51
merged.
40:52
When
40:52
I
40:52
think
40:52
about
40:53
the
40:53
job
40:54
that
40:54
the
40:54
illustrator
40:55
did,
40:56
that
40:56
doesn't
40:57
happen
40:57
unless
40:58
your
40:58
words
40:59
bring
41:00
that
41:00
kind
41:00
of
41:01
visualization
41:02
to
41:02
life.
41:03
Talk
41:03
to
41:03
us
41:04
about
41:05
when
41:05
you
41:05
started
41:05
seeing
41:06
your
41:06
characters
41:07
being
41:07
developed.
41:09
Did
41:09
they
41:09
match
41:10
what
41:10
you
41:10
were
41:10
thinking
41:11
eventually
41:12
when
41:12
you
41:12
saw
41:12
the
41:13
first
41:13
character
41:14
developments?
41:15
Talk
41:15
to
41:15
us
41:16
about
41:16
that.
41:17
I
41:17
was
41:17
thrilled.
41:19
I
41:19
loved
41:19
how
41:20
the
41:21
four
41:21
monsters
41:22
were
41:24
in
41:25
color
41:25
and
41:25
shape
41:26
and
41:26
size
41:26
so
41:27
that
41:27
kids
41:28
would
41:28
be
41:28
able
41:28
to
41:29
easily
41:31
know
41:31
who
41:31
is
41:31
who.
41:32
And
41:32
I
41:32
love
41:33
the
41:33
color
41:33
choice.
41:33
I
41:34
mean,
41:34
I
41:34
just
41:34
loved
41:34
everything
41:35
about
41:35
it.
41:35
I
41:35
didn't
41:36
have
41:36
any.
41:37
Anything
41:37
that
41:37
I
41:37
didn't
41:38
like
41:39
or
41:39
anything
41:39
that
41:39
I
41:40
wanted
41:40
changed.
41:41
If
41:41
you're
41:41
going
41:41
traditional,
41:42
you've
41:42
got
41:42
to
41:42
let
41:42
all
41:43
that
41:43
out
41:43
and
41:44
let
41:44
it
41:44
go.
41:45
Right?
41:45
And
41:45
like
41:45
I
41:45
said,
41:46
the
41:46
first
41:46
sentence
41:47
is,
41:47
meet
41:47
the
41:47
monsters.
41:48
I
41:48
don't
41:48
describe
41:49
them
41:49
at
41:49
all.
41:50
And
41:50
you
41:50
just
41:51
have
41:51
to
41:51
trust
41:51
your
41:52
illustrator
41:52
that
41:53
they
41:53
know
41:53
what
41:53
they're
41:53
doing
41:54
and
41:54
they
41:54
will
41:54
bring
41:54
them
41:55
to
41:55
life.
41:56
And
41:56
there
41:56
were
41:56
two
41:56
things
41:56
in
41:57
Bedslide
41:57
Blues
41:58
that
41:58
I
41:58
was
41:59
really
42:00
blown
42:00
away
42:01
by
42:01
in
42:02
the
42:02
best
42:02
possible
42:02
way,
42:03
because
42:04
the
42:05
manuscript
42:06
had
42:06
said,
42:06
when
42:07
it
42:07
comes
42:07
to
42:07
Snoodle,
42:08
the
42:08
little
42:08
green
42:08
monster,
42:09
her
42:10
big
42:10
bedtime
42:11
drama
42:11
was
42:11
she
42:11
couldn't
42:12
find
42:12
Loppy.
42:13
Loppy
42:13
was
42:13
her
42:14
bedtime
42:14
stuffy.
42:16
And
42:16
so
42:17
I
42:17
don't
42:17
describe.
42:18
I
42:18
didn't
42:18
know
42:18
if
42:18
the
42:18
illustrator
42:19
was
42:19
gonna
42:20
make
42:20
Loppy
42:20
into
42:20
a
42:21
blanket
42:21
or
42:21
an
42:22
animal
42:22
or
42:23
a
42:23
doll.
42:24
I
42:24
had
42:24
no
42:24
idea.
42:25
And
42:26
she
42:26
made
42:26
her
42:27
into
42:27
kind
42:27
of
42:28
this
42:29
rabbit
42:29
stuff,
42:30
monster
42:31
y
42:31
kind
42:31
of
42:32
bedtime
42:32
stuffy.
42:34
And
42:34
then
42:34
I
42:34
also
42:34
love
42:35
that
42:35
Snoodle's
42:37
bed
42:38
is
42:38
covered
42:38
in
42:38
moss
42:39
with
42:39
these
42:39
little
42:40
mushrooms.
42:40
Right.
42:41
Which
42:41
is
42:42
nothing
42:42
that
42:43
I
42:43
could
42:43
have
42:43
ever
42:43
imagined.
42:44
But
42:44
that's
42:45
letting
42:45
all
42:45
of
42:45
it
42:46
go
42:46
to
42:46
the
42:47
illustrator
42:47
and
42:48
trusting
42:49
that
42:49
they'll
42:49
come
42:50
up
42:50
with
42:50
the
42:50
absolute
42:51
best
42:52
scenes
42:53
and
42:53
characters.
42:55
I
42:55
love
42:55
how
42:56
you
42:56
had
42:56
it.
42:56
So
42:56
there
42:57
was
42:57
a
42:57
little
42:57
bit
42:58
of
42:58
the
42:59
stuffy
43:00
that
43:00
left
43:01
A
43:01
trail
43:02
to
43:02
find
43:02
the
43:03
stuffy.
43:03
So
43:03
I
43:04
thought
43:04
that
43:04
was
43:04
really
43:04
cool.
43:05
Talk
43:05
to
43:05
us
43:06
about
43:06
the
43:06
unique
43:07
relationship
43:07
between
43:08
all
43:08
the
43:08
monsters.
43:10
Well,
43:10
they're
43:10
all
43:10
friends
43:12
and
43:12
they're
43:13
monsters.
43:14
They're
43:15
Gruffy
43:15
and
43:15
Grumpy,
43:16
except
43:17
Snoodle,
43:17
She's
43:18
a
43:18
little
43:18
unusual.
43:19
She
43:19
loves
43:19
everyone
43:20
and
43:20
loves
43:20
everything.
43:21
So
43:21
she's
43:22
kind
43:22
of
43:22
the
43:23
encourager
43:23
and
43:24
the
43:24
bright
43:24
sunshine,
43:26
except
43:26
for
43:27
bedtime
43:27
and
43:28
then
43:28
she
43:28
can't
43:28
find
43:29
Loppy.
43:30
So
43:30
they
43:30
each
43:30
have
43:30
their
43:31
own
43:31
little
43:31
personalities.
43:32
Snoodle
43:32
loves
43:33
everything.
43:34
Zizi,
43:34
kind
43:35
of
43:35
the
43:36
dragon
43:36
like
43:37
monster
43:38
with
43:38
a
43:38
snake
43:39
like
43:39
body.
43:40
She
43:40
likes
43:40
to
43:40
eat
43:41
things
43:41
that
43:42
she
43:42
shouldn't,
43:43
often
43:43
because
43:44
she's
43:44
a
43:44
monster.
43:46
And
43:46
Fleck,
43:48
he's
43:48
a
43:48
little
43:48
bit
43:48
of
43:48
the
43:49
stem
43:49
guy.
43:49
He
43:50
likes
43:50
to
43:50
solve
43:51
problems.
43:52
It
43:52
doesn't
43:52
mean
43:52
his
43:52
solutions
43:53
are
43:53
going
43:53
to
43:53
turn
43:54
out
43:54
right.
43:55
And
43:55
then
43:55
Iggy,
43:56
the
43:56
really
43:57
big
43:57
monster,
43:57
he
43:58
kind
43:58
of
43:58
likes
43:59
to
43:59
try
43:59
to
43:59
be
43:59
the
43:59
leader
44:00
and
44:00
go
44:00
first.
44:01
So
44:02
you'll
44:02
see
44:02
a
44:02
little
44:02
bit
44:03
of
44:03
their
44:03
personalities
44:04
in
44:04
Be
44:04
My
44:04
Balance
44:05
Slime
44:06
and
44:06
In
44:06
Bed
44:06
Slime
44:07
Blues.
44:08
It's
44:08
not
44:08
overly
44:09
done,
44:09
but
44:10
little
44:10
snips
44:11
can
44:11
come
44:11
through
44:12
on
44:12
the
44:12
pages.
44:13
Talk
44:13
to
44:14
us
44:14
about
44:14
your
44:14
theme
44:16
and
44:16
I
44:16
mean
44:16
you
44:16
can
44:16
talk
44:17
to
44:17
us
44:17
about
44:17
Bed
44:17
Slime
44:18
Blues.
44:18
And
44:18
then
44:18
if
44:19
you
44:19
want
44:19
to
44:19
talk
44:20
about
44:20
Be
44:20
My
44:21
Veil
44:21
and
44:21
Slime
44:22
also,
44:22
that'd
44:22
be
44:22
great.
44:24
Slime
44:24
Blues.
44:25
When
44:26
Be
44:26
My
44:26
Veil
44:26
and
44:26
Slime
44:27
was
44:27
in
44:27
final
44:27
Art
44:27
stage,
44:29
the
44:30
Penguin
44:30
Random
44:31
House
44:31
team
44:32
was
44:32
trying
44:32
to
44:33
figure
44:33
out
44:33
what
44:33
they
44:33
wanted
44:34
next.
44:34
And
44:35
they
44:35
picked
44:35
Bedtime
44:36
because
44:36
they
44:36
wanted
44:36
a
44:36
year
44:37
round
44:37
title
44:38
and
44:38
not
44:38
another
44:39
holiday
44:39
title.
44:40
And
44:41
so
44:41
once
44:41
they
44:41
picked
44:42
Bedtime,
44:42
I
44:42
had
44:43
to
44:43
write
44:43
the
44:43
manuscript
44:44
and
44:45
I
44:45
wanted
44:46
to
44:46
show
44:46
how
44:46
the
44:47
monsters
44:47
who
44:47
don't
44:47
like
44:48
anything
44:48
also
44:48
don't
44:49
like
44:49
bedtime.
44:50
And
44:50
I
44:51
just
44:51
pulled
44:51
from
44:52
my
44:52
own
44:52
experiences
44:53
and
44:53
typical
44:54
experiences
44:55
that
44:55
parents
44:55
have
44:56
and
44:57
put
44:57
it
44:58
all
44:58
into
44:58
the
44:59
story.
44:59
That
45:00
that's
45:00
fantastic
45:00
because
45:01
I
45:01
recently
45:01
had
45:02
author
45:02
allison
45:03
in
45:03
episode
45:04
64
45:04
and
45:05
she
45:05
wrote
45:05
about
45:06
Bath
45:06
Time,
45:07
how
45:07
her
45:08
son.
45:08
It
45:09
was
45:09
based
45:09
on
45:09
a
45:09
real
45:10
story
45:10
about
45:11
her
45:11
son
45:11
who
45:12
hated
45:12
bath
45:13
time.
45:13
It
45:13
was
45:13
quite
45:14
the
45:14
adventure.
45:15
Like
45:15
you
45:15
said,
45:15
bedtime,
45:16
bath
45:16
time,
45:17
reoccurring
45:18
themes
45:18
that
45:18
all
45:19
parents
45:20
go
45:20
through.
45:22
And
45:23
then
45:23
they
45:23
all
45:23
do
45:23
settle
45:24
down
45:24
and
45:24
find
45:24
peace
45:25
and
45:25
go
45:25
to
45:25
sleep.
45:26
So
45:26
kids
45:27
will
45:27
see
45:27
that
45:28
bedtime
45:29
really
45:29
is
45:30
slimetastic,
45:31
even
45:31
for
45:32
monsters.
45:33
With
45:33
your
45:34
writing
45:35
process,
45:36
it's
45:36
interesting
45:37
because
45:38
of
45:38
how
45:38
you've
45:39
already
45:39
described
45:40
how
45:41
much
45:41
effort
45:41
you've
45:41
put
45:42
into
45:43
writing
45:43
stories.
45:44
It's
45:44
just
45:44
phenomenal.
45:45
Talk
45:46
to
45:46
us
45:46
a
45:46
bit
45:47
about
45:48
this
45:48
whole
45:49
writing
45:49
development
45:50
because
45:51
you
45:51
know
45:51
you've
45:52
made
45:52
a
45:52
concerted
45:53
effort.
45:53
Well,
45:54
I
45:54
love
45:54
imagination
45:55
and
45:56
I
45:56
love
45:56
humor
45:57
mixed
45:58
with
45:58
some
45:58
heart.
45:59
And
46:00
so
46:01
almost
46:02
all
46:02
of
46:02
my
46:02
writing,
46:04
my
46:04
stories
46:04
go
46:05
in
46:05
that
46:05
direction.
46:07
And,
46:08
you
46:08
know,
46:08
it's
46:09
really
46:09
hard
46:09
to
46:09
come
46:09
up
46:09
with
46:10
a
46:10
good
46:10
idea.
46:11
There's
46:11
a
46:11
lot
46:11
of
46:12
manuscripts
46:12
I've
46:12
written
46:13
that
46:14
aren't
46:15
quite
46:15
where
46:16
they
46:16
need
46:16
to
46:16
be.
46:17
And
46:18
then
46:18
when
46:19
I
46:19
really
46:19
hit
46:20
on
46:20
one,
46:20
you
46:20
know,
46:21
I
46:21
just
46:22
get
46:22
really
46:22
passionate
46:23
and
46:24
work
46:24
until
46:24
it's
46:25
ready.
46:26
It's
46:26
just
46:26
a
46:26
lot
46:26
of
46:26
revision.
46:27
A
46:27
lot
46:27
of
46:27
writing,
46:28
a
46:28
lot
46:28
of
46:28
revision.
46:29
T
46:29
Partners,
46:30
Petite
46:30
groups.
46:31
My
46:31
agent.
46:32
How
46:33
much
46:33
are
46:33
you
46:33
drawing
46:34
on
46:34
your
46:34
own
46:34
personal
46:35
life
46:35
experience?
46:36
And
46:36
how
46:36
much
46:37
are
46:37
you
46:37
drawing
46:37
on
46:38
from
46:39
doing
46:39
some
46:39
research
46:40
into
46:41
an
46:41
idea
46:41
you
46:42
might
46:42
have
46:42
for
46:43
a
46:43
story?
46:44
I'd
46:44
say
46:45
it's
46:45
all
46:45
my
46:45
life
46:46
experience.
46:47
Okay.
46:48
In
46:48
one
46:49
way
46:49
or
46:49
another,
46:50
whether
46:50
it's
46:51
family
46:52
or
46:52
events
46:53
or
46:54
work.
46:55
That
46:55
type
46:55
of
46:55
stuff.
46:56
I'll
46:57
bet
46:57
all
46:58
of
46:58
it.
46:58
Okay.
46:59
And
46:59
there's
46:59
going
46:59
to
46:59
be
47:00
a
47:00
third
47:00
monster
47:01
story,
47:01
and
47:01
that
47:01
one
47:01
will
47:02
be
47:02
centered
47:02
around
47:02
the
47:03
first
47:03
day
47:03
of
47:03
school.
47:04
So
47:04
these
47:04
monsters
47:06
are
47:06
going
47:06
to
47:06
go
47:06
to
47:07
school.
47:07
They're
47:08
not
47:08
real
47:08
happy
47:09
about
47:09
it,
47:09
a
47:10
little
47:10
nervous.
47:11
I
47:11
love
47:11
it.
47:12
And
47:12
actually,
47:13
it's
47:13
funny
47:13
you
47:13
should
47:13
mention
47:14
that
47:14
because
47:14
my
47:15
youngest
47:16
grandson,
47:16
Cooper,
47:17
and
47:17
I
47:17
wrote
47:18
a
47:18
story
47:19
in
47:19
our
47:19
series
47:20
on
47:20
his
47:21
first
47:21
day
47:22
at
47:22
school
47:23
and
47:23
what
47:24
he
47:24
went
47:24
through
47:25
and
47:25
his
47:26
relationship
47:27
with
47:27
one
47:27
of
47:27
his
47:28
older
47:28
siblings
47:29
coming
47:29
to
47:29
meet
47:29
him
47:30
after
47:31
school
47:31
and
47:31
the.
47:31
And
47:32
the
47:32
humor
47:32
that
47:32
went
47:32
on
47:33
with
47:33
that.
47:34
It's
47:34
interesting
47:34
how
47:35
you
47:35
draw
47:35
from
47:35
that.
47:35
Believe
47:36
it
47:36
or
47:36
not,
47:36
I.
47:37
I
47:37
wrote
47:37
the
47:37
story.
47:38
I'm
47:38
going
47:38
to
47:38
be
47:39
sending
47:39
it
47:39
to
47:39
my
47:39
editor
47:40
next
47:41
week.
47:41
We've
47:42
got
47:42
to
47:42
get
47:42
it
47:42
all
47:44
worked
47:44
out
47:44
because
47:45
it's
47:45
got
47:45
to
47:45
go
47:45
to
47:45
Corey
47:46
this
47:46
spring
47:47
and
47:47
it
47:47
doesn't
47:48
come
47:48
out
47:48
till
47:48
summer
47:49
of
47:49
2028.
47:50
Wow.
47:51
Incredible.
47:52
We
47:53
discussed
47:54
previously
47:55
about
47:55
your
47:55
book
47:56
business
47:56
plan,
47:56
but
47:57
I'd
47:57
like
47:57
to
47:57
dig
47:59
back
47:59
a
47:59
little
47:59
deeper,
48:00
hopefully
48:01
awaken
48:02
some
48:02
memories
48:03
for
48:03
you
48:03
when
48:03
you
48:03
think
48:04
about
48:04
your
48:05
success.
48:06
I
48:06
want
48:06
you
48:06
to
48:06
go
48:06
back
48:07
to
48:08
your
48:08
first
48:09
book
48:09
and
48:10
what
48:10
you
48:10
envision
48:11
success
48:12
looking
48:12
like
48:13
and
48:14
then
48:14
draw
48:14
us
48:15
forward
48:15
to
48:15
now
48:16
and
48:18
how
48:18
you're
48:18
looking
48:19
at
48:19
your
48:19
second
48:20
book.
48:21
Is
48:21
the
48:21
success
48:22
look
48:22
the
48:23
same
48:23
or
48:23
does
48:24
it
48:24
look
48:24
different?
48:25
Talk
48:25
to
48:25
us
48:25
about
48:25
that.
48:26
I
48:26
was
48:26
so
48:26
beyond
48:27
thrilled
48:27
with
48:27
the
48:27
first
48:27
book,
48:28
right.
48:28
To
48:28
finally
48:29
break
48:29
in
48:30
after
48:30
10
48:31
years.
48:32
And
48:33
so
48:34
with
48:35
again,
48:35
coming
48:35
from
48:36
the
48:36
corporate
48:36
background,
48:37
I
48:37
knew
48:37
I
48:37
was
48:38
in
48:38
good
48:38
hands
48:38
with
48:39
one
48:40
of
48:40
the
48:40
big
48:40
five
48:40
publishers.
48:42
And,
48:43
I
48:44
mean,
48:44
it
48:44
was
48:45
everything
48:45
I
48:45
imagined,
48:46
plus
48:46
more.
48:47
I
48:47
ended
48:47
up
48:47
getting
48:48
that
48:48
School
48:48
Library
48:49
Journal
48:49
Star
48:50
Review,
48:51
which
48:51
is
48:51
huge,
48:52
and
48:53
praise
48:53
from
48:53
Publishers
48:54
Weekly.
48:55
I
48:55
was
48:55
able
48:55
to
48:56
start
48:56
school
48:56
visits,
48:58
which
48:58
I
48:58
had
48:58
wanted
48:59
to
48:59
do,
48:59
but
48:59
really
48:59
couldn't
49:00
do
49:00
without
49:00
a
49:00
book.
49:01
I
49:01
wanted
49:02
to
49:02
do
49:02
blog
49:02
interviews
49:03
and
49:03
podcasts
49:04
and
49:04
some
49:04
things
49:04
like
49:05
that.
49:06
So
49:07
that
49:07
is
49:08
what
49:08
success
49:09
looked
49:09
like
49:09
to
49:10
me.
49:10
And
49:10
then
49:10
the
49:10
book
49:11
did
49:12
really
49:12
well.
49:13
And
49:13
so
49:14
with
49:14
Bed
49:14
Slide
49:14
Blues,
49:15
I
49:15
wanted
49:15
to
49:15
carry
49:16
that
49:16
forward
49:18
and
49:18
I'm
49:18
so
49:18
excited.
49:19
It's
49:19
a
49:19
year
49:19
round
49:20
title
49:21
that
49:21
could
49:22
be
49:22
for
49:22
sale.
49:22
Year
49:22
round
49:24
versus
49:24
Valentine
49:25
is
49:25
a
49:25
pretty
49:26
short
49:26
window.
49:27
I
49:27
really
49:28
wanted
49:28
to
49:28
get
49:28
like
49:28
a
49:28
year
49:29
round
49:29
title
49:30
into
49:30
the
49:30
pipeline.
49:31
So
49:31
now
49:31
it
49:32
is
49:32
and
49:32
we're
49:33
going
49:33
to
49:33
watch
49:34
that.
49:35
Is
49:35
that
49:35
the
49:36
biggest
49:36
difference
49:36
in
49:37
how
49:37
you
49:37
saw
49:37
success
49:38
is
49:38
you
49:38
had
49:38
more
49:39
of
49:39
a
49:39
seasonal
49:40
title
49:40
versus
49:41
something
49:42
that's
49:42
a
49:42
year
49:43
round
49:43
title?
49:45
Not
49:46
really.
49:48
That's
49:48
kind
49:48
of
49:49
a
49:49
hard
49:49
question.
49:51
Success
49:51
to
49:51
me
49:52
is
49:53
breaking
49:53
into
49:53
the
49:54
big
49:54
five
49:54
publishing
49:55
world
49:56
and
49:57
continuing
49:58
to
49:59
get
50:00
more
50:00
books
50:01
sold
50:01
and
50:01
getting
50:02
my
50:02
name
50:02
better
50:02
known
50:03
and
50:04
getting
50:04
my
50:04
books
50:04
into
50:05
more
50:05
hands
50:06
of
50:06
readers
50:07
and
50:08
libraries
50:08
and
50:09
schools
50:09
and
50:10
retail.
50:11
And
50:11
I
50:12
think
50:12
it's
50:12
just
50:12
a
50:12
slow
50:13
build.
50:13
Okay.
50:14
There's
50:14
always
50:15
exceptions.
50:16
You
50:16
can
50:16
have
50:16
a
50:16
book
50:17
that
50:17
comes
50:17
out
50:17
and
50:17
it's
50:18
bestseller,
50:18
but
50:19
just
50:19
like
50:20
a
50:20
slow
50:20
build.
50:21
So
50:21
I
50:21
wouldn't
50:22
define
50:22
success
50:24
in
50:25
any
50:25
narrow
50:25
fashion.
50:26
For
50:26
me,
50:26
it's
50:27
just
50:27
continuing
50:28
to
50:28
do
50:28
the
50:28
work
50:30
because
50:30
my
50:30
whole
50:30
goal
50:31
is
50:31
to
50:32
delight
50:33
children.
50:34
And
50:35
so
50:35
it's
50:35
just
50:36
going
50:36
to
50:36
be
50:36
one
50:36
book
50:36
at
50:37
a
50:37
time.
50:37
So
50:37
I'm
50:37
thrilled
50:38
there's
50:39
a
50:39
second
50:39
book
50:39
and
50:40
it's
50:40
a
50:40
year
50:40
round
50:41
title.
50:41
I'm
50:41
thrilled
50:42
that
50:42
we're
50:42
going
50:42
to
50:42
have
50:42
a
50:42
school
50:43
book
50:43
coming
50:43
out
50:44
and
50:44
hopefully
50:44
I'll
50:44
have
50:45
more
50:45
good
50:45
news
50:45
with
50:46
other
50:47
stories
50:47
that
50:48
are
50:48
going
50:48
to
50:48
get
50:48
published.
50:48
So
50:49
that's
50:49
what
50:50
success
50:50
looks
50:51
like
50:51
to
50:51
me.
50:51
I
50:52
couldn't
50:52
agree
50:52
with
50:52
you
50:52
more.
50:53
That's
50:53
the
50:53
whole
50:54
idea.
50:54
And
50:54
that's
50:55
why
50:55
I
50:55
was
50:55
so
50:56
impressed
50:56
when
50:57
you
50:57
said
50:57
that
50:57
your
50:57
book
50:58
that
50:58
you
50:58
published
50:58
in
50:59
2023
51:00
won
51:00
an
51:00
award
51:01
in
51:01
2025
51:02
because
51:03
it's
51:03
important
51:03
for
51:04
children's
51:04
book
51:05
authors.
51:06
When
51:06
you
51:06
write
51:07
something,
51:07
it
51:08
can
51:08
be
51:08
timeless,
51:09
but
51:09
it
51:09
takes
51:09
your
51:10
effort
51:11
and
51:11
it
51:11
is
51:11
a
51:12
slow
51:12
build.
51:12
It
51:12
could
51:12
be
51:13
a
51:13
slow
51:13
build
51:13
for
51:15
40
51:15
years
51:16
if
51:16
that's
51:17
the
51:17
effort
51:17
that
51:17
you
51:17
put
51:17
into
51:18
it.
51:18
Because
51:18
I
51:19
think
51:19
most
51:19
of
51:19
us
51:20
don't
51:20
go
51:20
out
51:20
and
51:21
sell
51:21
thousands
51:22
and
51:22
thousands
51:23
of
51:23
copies
51:23
overnight.
51:24
People
51:25
have
51:25
to
51:26
have
51:26
to
51:26
find
51:26
you.
51:27
And
51:28
how
51:28
do
51:28
they
51:28
do
51:29
that
51:29
unless
51:29
you're
51:30
out
51:30
there,
51:30
you
51:31
know,
51:31
making
51:31
yourself
51:32
known
51:32
in
51:32
your
51:32
books.
51:33
Known.
51:34
Exactly.
51:36
Do
51:36
you
51:36
see
51:36
the
51:36
role
51:37
of
51:37
writing
51:38
taking
51:38
up
51:39
more
51:39
of
51:39
your
51:40
life
51:40
in
51:40
this
51:40
grand
51:41
scheme
51:41
of
51:41
things?
51:43
Yes.
51:43
I
51:43
mean,
51:44
this
51:44
is
51:44
a
51:44
business
51:45
and
51:45
it
51:45
is
51:47
my
51:47
business
51:47
that
51:47
I'm
51:48
continuing
51:48
to
51:49
grow
51:50
and
51:50
all
51:50
the
51:50
different
51:51
ways
51:51
that
51:51
we've
51:52
talked
51:52
about.
51:53
I
51:53
want
51:53
to
51:53
grow
51:54
the
51:54
school
51:54
visits
51:54
the
51:55
books.
51:56
Did
51:56
you
51:56
see
51:56
the
51:56
difference
51:57
from
51:57
2023
51:58
to
51:59
now?
51:59
If
51:59
we
51:59
were
52:00
to
52:00
take
52:00
a
52:00
calendar
52:01
and
52:01
kind
52:01
of
52:02
plot
52:02
out
52:02
your
52:02
time,
52:03
does
52:03
it
52:04
look
52:04
different
52:04
than
52:04
it
52:05
did
52:05
in
52:05
2023
52:06
to
52:06
what
52:06
it
52:07
looks
52:07
like
52:07
now
52:08
in
52:08
terms
52:08
of.
52:08
Yeah,
52:09
because
52:09
that
52:09
first
52:09
book
52:10
came
52:10
out
52:10
in
52:10
2023.
52:12
And
52:13
then
52:13
in
52:13
2024,
52:14
I
52:15
was
52:15
invited
52:16
to
52:16
submit
52:17
kind
52:18
of
52:18
a
52:18
program
52:19
for
52:19
the
52:19
All
52:19
Texas
52:20
SCBWI
52:21
conference.
52:23
And
52:23
I
52:23
did,
52:23
and
52:24
I
52:24
was
52:24
picked
52:25
to
52:25
be
52:25
one
52:25
of
52:25
their
52:25
faculty
52:26
members
52:26
for
52:27
this
52:27
conference.
52:28
That
52:28
was
52:29
pretty
52:29
thrilling.
52:30
And
52:30
then
52:30
I
52:31
was
52:31
invited
52:31
to.
52:32
To
52:32
go
52:32
to
52:32
TLA,
52:33
which
52:33
is
52:34
the
52:34
Texas
52:34
Library
52:35
association
52:35
conference
52:36
for
52:36
20,000
52:37
librarians
52:37
from
52:38
all
52:38
over
52:38
the
52:38
country
52:39
come
52:39
and
52:39
attend.
53:31
And
53:31
I
53:31
was
53:31
on
53:31
a
52:41
panel
53:32
and
53:33
a
53:33
meet
53:33
and
53:33
greet
53:34
with,
53:34
you
53:35
know,
53:35
in
53:35
front
53:35
of
53:35
all
53:35
these
53:35
librarians.
53:37
So
53:37
that
53:37
all
53:38
happened.
53:39
And
53:40
then
53:40
Last
53:41
year,
53:41
in
53:41
2025,
53:42
I
53:43
was
53:43
invited
53:44
to
53:45
be
53:45
a
53:46
presenter
53:47
at
53:47
a
53:47
local
53:47
school
53:48
district's
53:49
story
53:49
festival.
53:50
And
53:50
they
53:51
have
53:51
something
53:51
like
53:52
82
53:52
elementary
53:53
schools
53:53
that
53:53
feed
53:54
into
53:54
their
53:55
school
53:55
system,
53:56
so
53:56
they're
53:57
large.
53:57
And
53:57
they
53:57
put
53:58
on
53:58
this
53:58
annual
53:58
story
53:59
fest.
53:59
Wow.
54:00
So
54:00
I
54:00
was
54:00
invited
54:00
to
54:00
be
54:01
a
54:01
part
54:01
of
54:01
that.
54:02
Was
54:02
the
54:02
audience
54:02
that
54:03
you
54:03
talked
54:03
to
54:04
mostly
54:05
teachers?
54:06
No,
54:07
they
54:07
were
54:07
kids.
54:08
Oh,
54:08
they
54:08
were
54:09
kids.
54:09
Okay.
54:10
Yeah.
54:10
It's
54:10
on
54:11
a
54:11
Saturday.
54:12
I
54:12
love
54:12
that
54:12
because
54:14
it
54:14
leads
54:14
me
54:14
to
54:15
my
54:15
next
54:15
question.
54:16
You
54:16
had
54:17
all
54:17
these
54:17
fertile
54:18
minds,
54:19
and
54:19
you're
54:20
a
54:20
children's
54:20
book
54:21
author.
54:22
So
54:23
what
54:23
advice
54:24
would
54:25
you
54:25
give
54:26
to
54:26
aspiring
54:27
children's
54:28
book
54:28
authors?
54:29
I
54:30
would
54:30
say
54:31
keep
54:31
doing
54:31
the
54:32
work.
54:32
I
54:32
know
54:32
it's
54:33
forever.
54:33
I
54:33
know
54:34
you
54:34
feel
54:34
like
54:34
you'll
54:35
never
54:35
break
54:36
through.
54:37
I
54:37
felt
54:37
that
54:38
way.
54:39
Just
54:40
persevere.
54:41
That's
54:41
my
54:41
number
54:41
one.
54:43
And
54:43
love
54:43
revision,
54:44
because
54:44
they're
54:44
going
54:44
to
54:44
do
54:44
a
54:45
lot
54:45
of
54:45
it
54:45
and
54:46
find
54:46
critique
54:47
partners
54:47
that
54:48
will
54:48
give
54:48
you
54:48
honest
54:49
feedback
54:50
to
54:50
make
54:50
your
54:50
story
54:51
better.
54:52
What
54:52
keeps
54:53
you
54:53
going,
54:53
Chris,
54:54
as
54:55
a
54:55
children's
54:56
book
54:56
author,
54:57
I
54:57
have
54:57
so
54:57
many
54:57
ideas
54:58
and
54:58
so
54:58
many
54:59
manuscripts
55:00
that
55:00
I
55:00
can't
55:00
wait
55:01
to
55:01
get
55:01
out
55:02
into
55:02
the
55:02
world
55:02
that
55:03
might
55:03
be
55:03
purchased
55:04
that
55:04
could
55:04
delight
55:05
children.
55:06
And
55:06
I
55:06
just
55:07
love
55:07
everything
55:07
about
55:08
this
55:09
business.
55:09
I
55:09
love
55:10
the
55:10
creativity,
55:10
the
55:11
imagination,
55:12
the
55:12
school
55:12
visits,
55:13
the
55:13
writing,
55:14
the
55:14
revision,
55:15
everything.
55:16
It's
55:16
exactly
55:16
where
55:17
I'm
55:17
supposed
55:17
to
55:17
be.
55:18
Nice.
55:19
So
55:19
encouragement
55:20
for
55:20
readers.
55:21
Why
55:21
should
55:22
readers
55:22
purchase
55:23
your
55:23
books?
55:24
Well,
55:25
Bed
55:25
Saline
55:25
Blues
55:26
goes
55:26
through
55:26
all
55:27
those
55:27
typical
55:27
bedtime
55:28
dramas,
55:29
so
55:30
parents
55:30
and
55:30
teachers
55:31
and
55:31
librarians
55:32
will
55:33
be
55:33
able
55:33
to
55:33
read
55:33
it
55:34
to
55:34
kids.
55:34
And
55:34
kids
55:35
will
55:35
see
55:35
that
55:35
they,
55:36
too,
55:36
can
55:36
settle
55:37
down
55:37
and
55:37
find
55:37
a
55:37
peaceful
55:38
night's
55:38
sleep.
55:40
And
55:40
that
55:40
would
55:40
be
55:40
my
55:40
Valentine's
55:41
life.
55:42
Snoodle
55:43
wants
55:43
Valentine's,
55:43
but
55:44
her
55:44
monster
55:44
friends
55:45
don't.
55:46
So
55:47
she
55:47
has
55:47
to
55:48
prove
55:48
that
55:48
Valentine's
55:49
Day
55:49
is
55:49
the
55:49
best
55:51
by
55:51
continuing
55:51
to
55:52
show
55:52
them
55:52
loving
55:53
kindness.
55:54
So
55:54
kids
55:54
will
55:55
see
55:55
that
55:55
when
55:55
you
55:55
show
55:56
love
55:56
and
55:56
kindness
55:56
to
55:57
your
55:57
friends,
55:57
it
55:57
can
55:58
really
55:58
make
55:58
a
55:58
difference.
55:59
It
55:59
can
55:59
even
56:00
change
56:00
somebody,
56:01
even
56:01
somebody
56:02
a
56:02
little
56:02
bit
56:02
monster.
56:02
Y
56:04
thank
56:04
you
56:04
for
56:04
sharing
56:05
that.
56:06
Final
56:06
thoughts.
56:07
Chris,
56:07
is
56:08
there
56:08
anything
56:08
you'd
56:09
like
56:09
to
56:09
share
56:10
that
56:11
maybe
56:11
I
56:11
didn't
56:12
ask
56:12
you
56:12
the
56:12
question
56:13
and
56:13
you
56:14
thought,
56:14
geez,
56:14
I
56:14
wish
56:15
Rick
56:15
would
56:15
ask
56:15
me
56:16
that.
56:16
Or
56:16
is
56:16
there
56:17
something
56:17
you'd
56:17
like
56:17
to
56:17
share
56:18
with
56:18
our
56:18
audience?
56:19
I
56:20
would
56:20
say
56:21
if
56:22
you
56:22
want
56:22
to
56:22
be
56:22
a
56:22
picture
56:23
book
56:23
author,
56:24
make
56:24
sure
56:24
you're
56:25
reading
56:25
picture
56:25
books
56:26
and
56:27
make
56:27
sure
56:27
you're
56:27
reading
56:28
recent
56:28
picture
56:28
books
56:29
in
56:29
the
56:29
last
56:29
three
56:29
to
56:30
five
56:30
years
56:30
so
56:30
you
56:31
can
56:31
kind
56:31
of
56:31
see
56:32
how
56:32
they're
56:33
being
56:33
handled.
56:34
And
56:35
pay
56:35
attention
56:35
to
56:36
your
56:36
word
56:36
count,
56:36
because
56:37
picture
56:37
books
56:37
in
56:38
today's
56:38
world
56:39
should
56:39
be
56:40
okay.
56:40
There's
56:41
always
56:41
exceptions,
56:42
but
56:42
generally
56:43
speaking,
56:43
500
56:44
words
56:44
or
56:45
less,
56:45
and
56:45
I'm
56:46
really
56:46
emphasizing
56:47
the
56:47
less.
56:48
I
56:48
appreciate
56:49
that,
56:49
and
56:49
I'm
56:50
glad
56:50
you
56:50
mentioned
56:51
that,
56:51
because
56:51
I
56:52
I
56:52
find
56:53
that
56:53
when
56:53
I
56:54
talk
56:54
to
56:54
some
56:55
of
56:55
the
56:55
authors
56:56
and
56:57
other
56:57
people
56:57
that
56:58
talk
56:58
to
56:58
me,
56:58
they're
56:59
hanging
56:59
out
56:59
with
57:00
other
57:01
children's
57:01
book
57:01
authors,
57:02
which
57:02
is
57:02
great.
57:03
But
57:03
other
57:04
children's
57:04
book
57:04
authors
57:05
aren't
57:05
necessarily
57:07
reading
57:08
the
57:08
children's
57:08
books
57:09
or
57:09
are
57:10
the
57:10
audience
57:10
I'm
57:11
with.
57:11
You
57:11
definitely
57:12
got
57:12
to
57:12
make
57:12
sure
57:13
that
57:14
you're
57:15
with
57:15
your
57:15
audience,
57:16
that
57:17
you're
57:17
talking
57:17
to
57:17
your
57:17
audience.
57:18
I've
57:19
been
57:19
so
57:19
fortunate
57:19
to
57:20
have
57:20
five
57:20
grandchildren
57:21
who
57:21
have
57:22
been
57:22
my
57:22
editors
57:23
and
57:23
have
57:24
read
57:24
the
57:24
books
57:24
and
57:24
said,
57:25
papa,
57:25
that's
57:26
two
57:26
too
57:26
tough
57:26
of
57:26
a
57:27
word,
57:27
or
57:27
that
57:27
doesn't
57:28
make
57:28
any
57:28
sense.
57:28
You
57:29
certainly
57:29
have
57:29
to
57:30
reach
57:30
out
57:31
to
57:31
your
57:31
audience
57:31
and
57:32
take
57:32
your
57:33
ideas
57:33
for
57:33
a
57:33
test
57:34
drive.
57:34
So
57:34
thank
57:35
you
57:35
for
57:35
sharing
57:35
that.
57:36
You're
57:37
welcome.
57:37
Chris,
57:38
thank
57:38
you
57:38
so
57:39
much
57:39
for
57:39
being
57:39
a
57:39
guest
57:40
on
57:40
the
57:40
Adventures
57:40
in
57:41
the
57:41
Heart
57:41
of
57:41
Children's
57:42
Book
57:42
Authors
57:42
podcast.
57:43
Your
57:43
generosity
57:44
of
57:44
time
57:45
and
57:45
your
57:46
insights
57:46
will
57:47
significantly
57:48
benefit
57:48
aspiring
57:49
children's
57:50
book
57:50
authors
57:50
and
57:51
readers,
57:52
and
57:52
we
57:52
promise
57:52
to
57:53
provide
57:53
our
57:53
audience
57:53
with
57:54
links
57:54
to
57:54
Chris's
57:55
social
57:55
media,
57:56
her
57:56
website,
57:57
which
57:57
is
57:58
awesome,
57:58
and
57:59
her
57:59
books.
57:59
If
58:00
you're
58:00
into
58:00
slime,
58:02
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58:02
just
58:02
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58:02
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58:03
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58:03
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58:04
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58:05
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58:05
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58:09
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58:10
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58:10
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58:11
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58:11
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58:11
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58:12
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58:12
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58:13
by
58:13
or
58:14
who
58:14
enjoys
58:14
hearing
58:15
about
58:15
Chris
58:16
and
58:16
her
58:16
children's
58:17
book,
58:18
Bed
58:18
Slime
58:18
Blues.
58:19
Thank
58:20
you,
58:20
Chris.
58:21
Thank
58:21
you
58:21
for
58:22
having
58:22
me.