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Lions, Tigers, and Bears, & Brown Diamonds, Exposed Text Messages and DMs · Untraditionally Lala

• 0:06
  Speaker 1: Hello, my little beautiful people, my little elves, my little
• 0:11
  Speaker 1: mister and missus Clauses. I mean, we're rowling up on Christmas.
• 0:16
  Speaker 1: We are Hi everyone, that's just it's me. We're back.
• 0:21
  Speaker 1: I am really excited about this Christmas because I haven't
• 0:28
  Speaker 1: had the greatest of holidays in a really long time.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know. It just like the energy every holiday
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  Speaker 1: is just has been off for a minute. I won't
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  Speaker 1: say why. I think it was. I think I know
• 0:42
  Speaker 1: exactly why the energy was off. But I got my
• 0:45
  Speaker 1: Christmas tree up and it just for the first time
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  Speaker 1: in a minute, feels like Christmas.
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  Speaker 2: Which is amazing because Ocean's here. It's our first Christmas,
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  Speaker 2: I know.
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  Speaker 1: And it was so sweet because we took her out
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  Speaker 1: the other day and she got to see, like they
• 1:07
  Speaker 1: do this thing by it's at this mall and at
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  Speaker 1: a certain time every night they make it snow and
• 1:16
  Speaker 1: then Santa comes in. Okay, so Ocean has seen Santa Claus.
• 1:21
  Speaker 1: She's seen it somewhat snow. The other night they did
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  Speaker 1: like a huge fireworks show, So she's seen fireworks, like
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  Speaker 1: all of these little first that I've seen where yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I'm like last year, this time she was like in
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  Speaker 1: the belly.
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  Speaker 2: Isn't that crazy? And your tree looks gorgeous, your house
• 1:40
  Speaker 2: looks gorgeous. Your stalkings are so chic.
• 1:43
  Speaker 1: Also stalkings are hung by the fire.
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  Speaker 2: They really are also laala. I put it on my story.
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  Speaker 2: But the other night, Kyle and me and Margo were
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  Speaker 2: at a mall at night that does fake snow that
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  Speaker 2: Santa appeared, and I wonder if we were at the same.
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  Speaker 1: We have the same mall or owned by the same people. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: it was just so cute. It's really cute.
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  Speaker 2: Did she could you tell? Like watching her? Could she
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  Speaker 2: did she kind of know what was going on? Or
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  Speaker 2: was it a little too much?
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  Speaker 1: No, she was very interested in what was going on.
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  Speaker 1: But she gets this look on her face. It's kind
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  Speaker 1: of like when she saw the fireworks, and of course
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  Speaker 1: I cover her ears. Yeah, she can't hear it because
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  Speaker 1: they're loud, but she gets this. She's a very curious
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  Speaker 1: little girl. She like when I push the button to
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  Speaker 1: the elevator, or she sees like an exit sign, like
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  Speaker 1: anything and everything. She's so curious what it is and
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  Speaker 1: how it works.
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  Speaker 2: It's so cute too to watch her little eyes, Like
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  Speaker 2: you you are the one that mentioned this. When we're talking,
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  Speaker 2: we'll be Lalla and I will be in a full
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  Speaker 2: on conversation and it'll be like eerily quiet around us,
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  Speaker 2: and La La will look at Ocean and Ocean is
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  Speaker 2: just sitting in her little jumper or is sitting with
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  Speaker 2: Gigi staring at our, and like, Lalla will talk and
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  Speaker 2: Ocean will stare at her, and then I'll talk an
• 3:01
  Speaker 2: Ocean stares at us. I'm like, is she does she
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  Speaker 2: know what it's going on?
• 3:05
  Speaker 1: She gets older, I won't be able to talk in
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  Speaker 1: front of her now because she listens. She does, and
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  Speaker 1: I'm like, oh god.
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  Speaker 2: That's a big sign of intelligence though.
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  Speaker 1: And babies, she's a baby genius. She takes after me,
• 3:17
  Speaker 1: she is. I'm a genius. Obviously you are. Okay, so
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  Speaker 1: you did I went to community college. Goddamn brilliant.
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  Speaker 2: Oh my god, college doesn't mean anything.
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  Speaker 3: We know this.
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  Speaker 1: I mean one of these days, yeah, one of these days,
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  Speaker 1: I may pull in Elwoods and be like, fuck it,
• 3:36
  Speaker 1: we're going to law school.
• 3:37
  Speaker 2: Speaking of Ellie to that that, I don't know if
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  Speaker 2: I'm breaking this news to you, Lalla, but as of
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  Speaker 2: this morning, Kim kardash she passed her bar exam.
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  Speaker 1: I okay, is it crazy that I have chills? Did
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  Speaker 1: you know that?
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  Speaker 2: Did I break it to you?
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  Speaker 1: You just broke that news. Isn't that you don't? That
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  Speaker 1: is absolutely incredible. I'm inspired. That is amazing.
• 4:01
  Speaker 2: So La La Ken our next lawyer.
• 4:04
  Speaker 1: Maybe we'll see I'll be a fucking savage. You really would?
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  Speaker 1: I would represent women you.
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  Speaker 2: And your mom?
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  Speaker 1: Are you joking?
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  Speaker 3: Oh?
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  Speaker 1: Lisa would be the PI. She would kill it. I
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  Speaker 1: would be like the head haunch.
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  Speaker 2: If I ever need anything investigated, I'm hiring Lisa. And
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  Speaker 2: if you get your law degree, I'm hiring you because
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  Speaker 2: you can I could see you being a savage. Oh,
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  Speaker 2: I would be a savage, especially representing women.
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  Speaker 1: I'm not fucking around.
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  Speaker 2: She's really not.
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  Speaker 1: So I'm excited for today's podcast. I know I'm excited
• 4:37
  Speaker 1: for every single podcast, but I think it's important to
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  Speaker 1: be excited when we have another guest on do you
• 4:43
  Speaker 1: watch Tiger King? Have you seen it? So?
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  Speaker 2: I watched the first Tiger King, but I haven't seen
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  Speaker 2: the newer Tiger King.
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  Speaker 1: You haven't seen the newer one?
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  Speaker 3: No?
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  Speaker 1: Okay, Well, today's episode is amazing because I'm going to
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  Speaker 1: introduce everyone to the real Tiger Queen. Her name is
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  Speaker 1: Bobby Brink and she has a sanctuary for big cats
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  Speaker 1: and bears. Okay, now, when Tiger King came out, we
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  Speaker 1: had just gone into Lockdown, and I was so excited
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  Speaker 1: to watch it because I had heard that this was
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  Speaker 1: like the Blackfish of big cats. Yeah, and anyone who
• 5:27
  Speaker 1: knows me well, when I saw Blackfish, which is about
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  Speaker 1: Orcas in captivity, changed my whole life. I thought I
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  Speaker 1: was going to see something like that, and as I
• 5:38
  Speaker 1: watched it, I was a little bit let down. Did
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  Speaker 1: I think it was entertaining, Yes? Did I think everyone
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  Speaker 1: on the show was not everyone? Did I think most
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  Speaker 1: of the people on the show were disgusting? Yes. I
• 5:49
  Speaker 1: sat there and was like, these people live on the
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  Speaker 1: same earth that I live on. I don't relate. We
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  Speaker 1: are not from the same place. That is for damn sure,
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  Speaker 1: Like just the thought process of how you could feel
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  Speaker 1: okay and justify what you're doing to these big cats.
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  Speaker 1: But it did. It shook me. I was like, these
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  Speaker 1: people are crazy, don't relate, don't relate at all.
• 6:13
  Speaker 2: So is this year the same?
• 6:15
  Speaker 1: This season? This season? Actually I liked it a bit
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  Speaker 1: more because I felt like it was more of let's
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  Speaker 1: expose these of course, the crazies come back and they,
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  Speaker 1: you know, spit their mumbo jumbo jargon where you're like,
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  Speaker 1: you're a moron. Yeah, and not even like you would
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  Speaker 1: you have to like just listening to it. It's like
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  Speaker 1: your soulless how could you see these animals kept in
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  Speaker 1: these cads? Like the fact that anyone has to explain
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  Speaker 1: it to them is it's strange to me right right? Yes,
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  Speaker 1: but I loved it because the final episode of the
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  Speaker 1: first season where Joe Exotic is.
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  Speaker 4: Like, you know why they say animals don cage is
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  Speaker 4: their soul dies, And it's like, yes, Joe Exotic, I
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  Speaker 4: hate that you had to go to prison for you
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  Speaker 4: to realize what people are talking about. Yeah, but at
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  Speaker 4: least you understand now they should all be locked up.
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  Speaker 1: They're a bunch of crazies.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: So anyway, I'm very excited to talk to Bobby because
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  Speaker 1: I think she and I are going to be on
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  Speaker 1: the same page. I think she's gonna shed a lot
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  Speaker 1: of light to that world, and I think there's a
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  Speaker 1: lot of people who still think like bike cats and
• 7:28
  Speaker 1: we can hold little baby cups. I'm gonna take Billy
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  Speaker 1: it Susan this weekend and it's like, no, what are
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  Speaker 1: you doing?
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  Speaker 5: Ye?
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  Speaker 2: There are so many people who still think that and
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  Speaker 2: La la, so many people who still go to like
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  Speaker 2: Sea World in life.
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  Speaker 1: It makes me physically ill. Yeah, and you can show
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  Speaker 1: them everything, you can say look at this, and they're
• 7:48
  Speaker 1: like nope, yeah, it's fled. For the kids, it's insane.
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  Speaker 1: I'm the crazy person that's like taking the six year
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  Speaker 1: old and I'm like, look at this, traumatizing them. But
• 8:01
  Speaker 1: they know, they're like they know, yeah, good. They don't
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  Speaker 1: want their mom to take them to see world after
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  Speaker 1: Lalla has spoken to them. No, no, no, that's good.
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  Speaker 2: Do the animals justice see good person, good person? So
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  Speaker 2: then has anything? So I'm excited you're having Bobby on,
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  Speaker 2: You're going to talk to her. Let's play ketchup. Has
• 8:22
  Speaker 2: anything interesting or exciting happened to you lately?
• 8:26
  Speaker 1: Well, exciting things happened to me daily. Okay. I love
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  Speaker 1: that I find out new information daily, oh, which is
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  Speaker 1: like a punch in the gut but also amazing.
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  Speaker 2: You know.
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  Speaker 1: I I'm in a strange, strange place because I have
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  Speaker 1: my moments and I don't know if anyone on that
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  Speaker 1: listens to this podcast can relate. But I had felt
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  Speaker 1: like in the five years and eight months that I
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  Speaker 1: had been with he who we shall not name, we
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  Speaker 1: had built family. That's what I thought. And every day
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  Speaker 1: I find out something new that makes me feel Lalla,
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  Speaker 1: you were so disposable the whole time. You meant nothing.
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  Speaker 1: You meant nothing. You were a possession, a shiny object,
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  Speaker 1: and nothing more. And I have to be okay with that.
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  Speaker 1: I have to realize that the person I have to
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  Speaker 1: deal with, I feel everybody serves as the same thing.
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  Speaker 1: I served, nothing more than just a possession, and that
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  Speaker 1: to me makes me sick daily because to learn the
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  Speaker 1: things that I learn and try my best to just
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  Speaker 1: keep my fucking mouth shut for my daughter, not say
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  Speaker 1: a word about what I know, it can become torturous.
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  Speaker 1: And I have to sit and say, the universe will
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  Speaker 1: do its thing. You don't have to do anything, La lat.
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  Speaker 1: All I have to do is protect ocean Kent at
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  Speaker 1: all costs. And I know that there's a lot of
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  Speaker 1: women out there who just the level of deceit and
• 10:31
  Speaker 1: betrayal and it can break you. You know, there's moments
• 10:37
  Speaker 1: I sit here and I go, how will I ever
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  Speaker 1: go out into the world and trust anybody ever again.
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  Speaker 1: But it's important for me to learn how to do
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  Speaker 1: that because I know that.
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  Speaker 5: There's a lot of women out there who are going
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  Speaker 5: through the same thing that I am and it's not right, and.
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  Speaker 1: I have to fight for them.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, I have to fight for Ocean, and I know
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  Speaker 5: that like that goes without saying. That is my biggest
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  Speaker 5: and only priority. But I have another priority, and I
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  Speaker 5: have to protect other women.
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  Speaker 1: I have to. Yeah, it's my job at this point
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  Speaker 1: because I can't unsee and unhear what I've seen and
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  Speaker 1: what I've heard. Yeah, yeah, Oh. I just want to
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  Speaker 1: apologize to everybody. This podcast is amazing because I feel
• 11:30
  Speaker 1: like we can share things and we get bonded. But
• 11:33
  Speaker 1: at the same time, for a minute, I just need
• 11:35
  Speaker 1: everyone to kind of roll with the emotions that I
• 11:37
  Speaker 1: feel every day.
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  Speaker 2: Honestly, I think you're reaching though these like you say
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  Speaker 2: all the time, the amount of women that probably and
• 11:48
  Speaker 2: most likely are going through what you're going through. And
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  Speaker 2: I mean I know women personally who have gone through
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  Speaker 2: a lot less and who literally can't get out of
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  Speaker 2: bed for a month physically, they cannot get out of
• 12:00
  Speaker 2: bed for a month, they're brought food. And I don't
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  Speaker 2: know how you do it, but I watch you every
• 12:05
  Speaker 2: day and you find out new information and sometimes I'm
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  Speaker 2: there for it and sometimes I'm not. And it's it's
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  Speaker 2: shocking how you just kind of soldier through. And I
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  Speaker 2: know you're doing it for Ocean, and it's and you're
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  Speaker 2: doing it for all these other women, and it's.
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  Speaker 1: It's really I mean, inspiring.
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  Speaker 3: It's not the word.
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  Speaker 2: There's a word that's way, way, way more powerful than inspiring.
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  Speaker 1: But that's the only only thing that comes to mind
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  Speaker 1: right now. I love you for saying that. Thank you. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: I don't think we realize how strong we are. We
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  Speaker 1: need to give ourselves more credit, and we need to
• 12:35
  Speaker 1: when we sit there and we think like this has
• 12:37
  Speaker 1: taken me out, your mind is very powerful. Reverse that shit. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: this is not going to take me out. Yeah, I'll
• 12:47
  Speaker 1: be damned. You just got goosebumps. Yeah, the universe will
• 12:51
  Speaker 1: do its thing. The universe always reveals people's truths. Yep.
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  Speaker 1: On a lighter note, there is one thing that I'm
• 12:58
  Speaker 1: actually very excited to share that I found out. We're
• 13:01
  Speaker 1: in the holiday season, so let's talk about gifts. Okay,
• 13:06
  Speaker 1: So he whose name we shall not mention, was talking
• 13:11
  Speaker 1: to my mom one day about how some rappers take
• 13:16
  Speaker 1: shitty diamonds and make them pretty. In my mom's mind,
• 13:20
  Speaker 1: she thought, how do you know so much about this?
• 13:23
  Speaker 1: How do you know so much about this? So cut
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  Speaker 1: to I dip the f out on that, and I
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  Speaker 1: decide we're going to take my engagement ring to a
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  Speaker 1: jeweler who came highly recommended by some very high level people.
• 13:47
  Speaker 1: They said, take this ring to sow and so have
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  Speaker 1: it looked at. So I do. Okay, keep in mind
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  Speaker 1: the jeweler. I won't say his name, you can google it.
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  Speaker 1: The jeweler had been quoted in multiple publications saying that
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  Speaker 1: the ring runs in or comes in, is valued at
• 14:12
  Speaker 1: appraised at whatever. He used some sort of language. The
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  Speaker 1: ring is around one hundred and fifty thousand dollars. Damn okay,
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  Speaker 1: h He whose name we shall not mention flew in
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  Speaker 1: four times to make sure that the diamond was perfect.
• 14:31
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna tell you why he flew in four times
• 14:33
  Speaker 1: to make sure the ring was perfect. What here is
• 14:35
  Speaker 1: the GIA certificate that the jeweler said. You can't find
• 14:40
  Speaker 1: copies of it. He's just given to you, right, okay.
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  Speaker 1: Pull it up on the internet, okay, and it says
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  Speaker 1: the inscription GIA the number treated color. This diamond has
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  Speaker 1: been treated by one or more processes to change its color.
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  Speaker 1: I ask my jeweler, who I'm talking to, what is
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  Speaker 1: this ring really worth? He tells me this diamond was
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  Speaker 1: most likely brown and that he would give me. I
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  Speaker 1: won't say the exact number that he said he would
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  Speaker 1: give me, but it's in the teens. What now, let's
• 15:19
  Speaker 1: not get it twisted. I love any type of ring
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  Speaker 1: that is given and has sentimental value. I don't care
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  Speaker 1: if it was one hundred dollars. I don't care if
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  Speaker 1: it was one hundred million dollars. I don't But for somebody,
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  Speaker 1: I mean, no wonder whose name we shall not mention.
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  Speaker 1: Flu in four different times, I had to make sure
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  Speaker 1: that the ship brown diamond was there. You know this
• 15:49
  Speaker 1: isn't funny.
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  Speaker 2: I'm just laughing because I'm shocked.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: So I called the original jeweler. I said, here's the deal.
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  Speaker 1: I took it to and he did not want me
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  Speaker 1: to take it to another jeweler. He told me we
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  Speaker 1: can turn it into a pendant. We can do this,
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  Speaker 1: that and the other I said, no, I really just
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  Speaker 1: want to know what it's worth. And once I find
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  Speaker 1: that out, I'll decide what I am allowed to do,
• 16:09
  Speaker 1: which if I'm allowed to get rid of it, that's
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  Speaker 1: what I want to do. That's what I want to do.
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  Speaker 1: I don't want to pendent. I don't want this thing
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  Speaker 1: in my home. It's bad juju. Yeah, bye bye. So,
• 16:22
  Speaker 1: as I was talking to the original jeweler of the
• 16:25
  Speaker 1: engagement ring, he was obviously he seemed a little stressed out. Yeah,
• 16:34
  Speaker 1: he was a little stressed out. But he says, well,
• 16:37
  Speaker 1: you know, and then he says his name, we shall
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  Speaker 1: not mention. Knew exactly what he was buying. He knew
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  Speaker 1: the diamond he was getting. Oh. I was like, I
• 16:49
  Speaker 1: don't doubt that, don't doubt that for a second. Oh no,
• 16:55
  Speaker 1: I won't even lie Jazz.
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  Speaker 6: When I went to my jeweler to have him look
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  Speaker 6: at it, when he told me, oh no, we were
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  Speaker 6: laughing our asses off, stop rolling because it was like
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  Speaker 6: par for the fucking course.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, of course it's.
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  Speaker 5: Worth or you know, this jeweler will give me in
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  Speaker 5: the teens for.
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  Speaker 1: What I was told was one hundred and fifty thousand
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  Speaker 1: dollars all I was. And even the jeweler was like,
• 17:31
  Speaker 1: why you're smiling? Is this a good thing? And I
• 17:34
  Speaker 1: was like, no, it's not. It's just you know, when
• 17:37
  Speaker 1: you sit here and just the ship keeps piling up,
• 17:40
  Speaker 1: it's just like you gotta laugh. And the original jeweler
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  Speaker 1: who made the ring, Yeah, I said you you said
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  Speaker 1: one hundred and fifty thousand dollars. You said I never
• 17:48
  Speaker 1: said that. I said, yes, you did. I have it,
• 17:51
  Speaker 1: screenshot it. You said it. He goes on to say, well,
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  Speaker 1: it depends on who he as the ring could be
• 17:57
  Speaker 1: worth ten cents to someone in one hundred million to
• 17:59
  Speaker 1: someone else.
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  Speaker 2: Is said, not really does that even mean?
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  Speaker 1: Not really? Oh but okay, so there's the story of
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  Speaker 1: my engagement ring.
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  Speaker 2: At this point though, are you I really want to know,
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  Speaker 2: are you surprised?
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  Speaker 1: Was that?
• 18:15
  Speaker 2: Did that take you by surprise or were you.
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  Speaker 1: Like h should have assumed it just was like, Wow,
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  Speaker 1: there's not one piece of my five years with this
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  Speaker 1: person that has been truthful and honest. The only truth
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  Speaker 1: I feel that existed in my relationship was me and
• 18:38
  Speaker 1: my daughter Ocean. Yeah, that is where the truth ended. Yeah,
• 18:42
  Speaker 1: that is a hard pill to fucking swallow. Yeah, I
• 18:45
  Speaker 1: don't give a shit. Can I tell you if someone
• 18:48
  Speaker 1: came to me, my X came to me and said,
• 18:51
  Speaker 1: can I tell you what I did? I got this
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  Speaker 1: dime for X amount of dollars. I literally was a
• 18:56
  Speaker 1: ship round diamond. But how pretty is it? I'd be like,
• 18:59
  Speaker 1: good for you, yeah, badass. But for you to parade
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  Speaker 1: around oh like.
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  Speaker 2: What yeah yeah, because you are so low maintenance and
• 19:10
  Speaker 2: you are so chill and cool about everything. And I
• 19:13
  Speaker 2: don't doubt for a second that if that happened and said, oh,
• 19:17
  Speaker 2: look like this is this is the truth, you'd be
• 19:19
  Speaker 2: like hell, yeah, great.
• 19:21
  Speaker 1: And I would have told all my friends, by the way,
• 19:23
  Speaker 1: just go get a ship fron diamond. They've wide it out.
• 19:25
  Speaker 1: Looks like this's so hot, you know, Oh my god.
• 19:29
  Speaker 2: But you know what, when you are finally able to
• 19:33
  Speaker 2: get back out into the world and trust people, the
• 19:37
  Speaker 2: amount of people you're going to help daily by just saying, hey,
• 19:41
  Speaker 2: here are some things I've been doing, here are some
• 19:43
  Speaker 2: things I've been learning to literally trust again, like it's
• 19:47
  Speaker 2: possible people and there people are going to be following that.
• 19:51
  Speaker 2: I know people personally who are going to be like,
• 19:54
  Speaker 2: let me know what Lala does to trust people again,
• 19:56
  Speaker 2: because right now I don't trust anyone, and you're going
• 19:59
  Speaker 2: to help a ton of people, you really are.
• 20:02
  Speaker 1: We we're gonna do that. I know we will. Yeah,
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: we're definitely all of us are in this together. It
• 20:10
  Speaker 1: is with a strange world that we live in. Everything
• 20:14
  Speaker 1: is so accessible, and you know, after all of this,
• 20:18
  Speaker 1: I sat there and I was like, I may not
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: ever want to be in another relationship again. I am
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: so okay on my own and by myself. Jess, Yeah,
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: I dig it. Yeah, and I am fulfilled. I don't
• 20:32
  Speaker 1: I use my little vibrator if I need to. Yeah,
• 20:37
  Speaker 1: I'm good. Yeah. I do not need a dude financially, mentally, emotionally,
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: any of it. Yeah. I just want to feel safe.
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: That's it.
• 20:47
  Speaker 2: But I know and I know that, and I to
• 20:50
  Speaker 2: you are, like, you're one of the most independent people
• 20:52
  Speaker 2: I know. But at the end of the day, it's
• 20:54
  Speaker 2: always good to know there are people out in the
• 20:57
  Speaker 2: world that I'm talking anyone, I'm talking family, friends, relationship
• 21:02
  Speaker 2: that are good people.
• 21:04
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 21:05
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think my biggest struggle is you know you
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: can you can do whatever you want to me. I'll
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: bounce back I'm savage. We didn't just like get I
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: didn't just get knocked up with Ocean. There was a
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: full conversation about trying to have a baby and him
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: knowing the life style that he was leading and still
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: made me feel comfortable enough to bring a baby into
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: this world. Makes me feel like physically ill because now
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: I have to protect her, Yeah, and I will, like,
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: I will make sure I protect her so that she
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: has healthy individuals in her life.
• 21:53
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 21:54
  Speaker 2: Yeah, And how lucky to have a mom like you? Yeah, because,
• 21:59
  Speaker 2: let me tell you, and the harsh reality is, there's
• 22:01
  Speaker 2: a lot of moms going through this now who aren't
• 22:03
  Speaker 2: fighting like you. So how lucky she is to have
• 22:07
  Speaker 2: a mom that will fight for her, that will for
• 22:10
  Speaker 2: the rest of her life fight by her side, that
• 22:13
  Speaker 2: will teach her lessons. Oh my god, it's she's so lucky.
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: She's so lucky. She's going to grow up and be
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: an amazing force in this world. And you know, I
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: was getting an overwhelming amount of dms. You know that
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: I never used to check my dms, checking them now religiously.
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: But a lot of women reaching out you know whose
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: name we shall not mention. A blog exposed all of
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: his text messages and DMS, and so after that happened,
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: I had a lot of dms from women that were
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: expressing their disgust for the fact that he whose name
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: we shall not mention, has a profile picture of Ocean
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: Kent and how her sweet little innocent face is linked
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: to these messages that he's sending to women. When I
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: was reading these, these women saying like, that's so disgusting,
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: I can't believe that that would be his profile picture
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: while he's doing what he's doing, I was like, gross, Yeah, yeah,
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: I don't even know what other word to use, my
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: sweetness and girl, it's disgusting. So we are going to
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: I hope you guys got a kick out of that
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: at engagement Rine story. I'm sorry that things Cup we
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: switched from like ha ha oh, but I'm very upset
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: listen to this ring. You know, we're hitting all the
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: notes today and so we will be right back with
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: Bobby Brink and you guys. I know I said last
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: episode that we were gonna do voice mails at the
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: beginning of every episode each week, but I really wanted
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: to tell you guys a story about my ring. So
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: next week I'm going to be doing the first segment
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: of the episode. The whole first segment is going to
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: be your guys's voicemails. I can't wait call me at
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: one eight six six, la la pod. All right, my loves.
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: We are back with an incredible woman. She is the
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: real Tiger Queen. Her name is Bobby Brink. She has
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: a sanctuary called Lions, Tigers and Bears. Hi, Bobby, how
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: are you.
• 24:36
  Speaker 3: I'm good, how are you today? Thank you for having me.
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: Of course, I'm so excited to talk to you. When
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: I heard about your sanctuary, I had to have you on.
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: I felt like most people's eyes were kind of opened
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: to the exotic animal world and then being kept as pets.
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: When Tiger King came out a couple of years ago,
• 24:59
  Speaker 1: do in quarantine right? And I have to say I
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: thought it was going to be the equivalent of I
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: don't know, if you've seen Blackfish, they speak about orcas
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: in captivity. I thought I was going to be seeing
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: something like that. I didn't get that. I kind of
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: felt like this story took a turn and it was
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: more interesting to hear about these characters rather than the
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: well being of these exotic animals. So I heard about
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: your sanctuary, and I just want you to tell us
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: what you do and why it is different from let's
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: say people like Carol Baskin, right, So educate people.
• 25:38
  Speaker 3: So we are an accredited sanctuary where San Diego's lions,
• 25:42
  Speaker 3: tigers and bears and alpine and we rescue animals, provide
• 25:47
  Speaker 3: a lifetime home. We're an education center. And then of
• 25:50
  Speaker 3: course we're their boys. So we help legislation to protect them,
• 25:56
  Speaker 3: and we work with the first responders all across the country.
• 25:59
  Speaker 3: We go and places and help get animals out of
• 26:02
  Speaker 3: places that they shouldn't be and help get them either
• 26:05
  Speaker 3: here to our sanctuary or to a proper sanctuary. So
• 26:09
  Speaker 3: we do a lot of work.
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: You do incredible work. And I think a lot of
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: people go to sanctuaries. There are people, I don't want
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: to say, like you, people that kind of mask what
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: they're doing by calling it a sanctuary. Where would you
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: say the red flag is? How does someone know what
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: is a sanctuary and what is a place that is
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: exploiting animals and using the word sanctuary to cover that up?
• 26:41
  Speaker 3: Right, So a real sanctuary doesn't buy, doesn't breed, doesn't sell,
• 26:45
  Speaker 3: doesn't trade animals, and you won't see a lot of
• 26:49
  Speaker 3: babies or any public contact anymore. So if you're someplace
• 26:54
  Speaker 3: where you're seeing a lot of babies come in or
• 26:56
  Speaker 3: somebody's bringing in surplus animals, they're just actually hell he
• 27:00
  Speaker 3: being those other places to do wrong or they're doing
• 27:03
  Speaker 3: wrong their self. And one of the most important things
• 27:06
  Speaker 3: that I tell my members here and my donors is
• 27:09
  Speaker 3: know your animal. Know the animal you're supporting, Know where
• 27:14
  Speaker 3: it came from, where it originated from, why it's there,
• 27:18
  Speaker 3: it's issues, and then of course when it dies, so
• 27:21
  Speaker 3: it doesn't disappear out the back door to make room
• 27:23
  Speaker 3: for a new one to come in. Really important.
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: Okay, I love everything you just said for because for me,
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: I mean you're the expert here. I always felt like
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: if there's any type of you know, the the animal
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: is being used to entertain you, or you're holding like
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: making contact with the animal, to me, that is exploiting
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: the animal. A sanctuary provides a place where the animal
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: is basically living in its natural habitat or as close
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: to it as you can possibly get. Exactly how many
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: people do you have work at your sanctuary?
• 28:01
  Speaker 3: So we have sixteen staff total, and we have about
• 28:05
  Speaker 3: ninety volunteers. You know, twenty of them are here every
• 28:08
  Speaker 3: week and there are core but we have about ninety volunteers.
• 28:12
  Speaker 3: So they do everything from helping clean up to just
• 28:15
  Speaker 3: paperwork and going out in the community and you know,
• 28:18
  Speaker 3: teaching people what's going on, all different tasks.
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: That's amazing. And how many animals do you have on property?
• 28:26
  Speaker 3: We have here at lions, tigers and bears, sixty eight animals,
• 28:30
  Speaker 3: seventeen different species, everyone to rescue and everyone has their
• 28:34
  Speaker 3: own individuals story.
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: Where would you say you rescue these animals? I mean,
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: is it mostly the circus I think is kind of
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: dwindling at least in the United States? Would you say
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: it's private owners of these animals? Circuses? Like what is
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: What would you say is the biggest place that you
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: rescue from.
• 28:55
  Speaker 3: I would say compensated animals that you know, people are
• 28:58
  Speaker 3: in trouble and there take in away private owners given
• 29:02
  Speaker 3: back as a pet, or places that just get in
• 29:06
  Speaker 3: over their head and then they go broke. So that's
• 29:08
  Speaker 3: another problem is places taken too many animals to provide
• 29:12
  Speaker 3: the proper care.
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: I mean, I can't imagine that it is cheap to
• 29:17
  Speaker 1: feed these animals, take care of them. I mean, how
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: much do you spend each year on these animals.
• 29:25
  Speaker 3: It's minimum ten thousand dollars a year just for food
• 29:28
  Speaker 3: for a tiger.
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: For one for one tiger. Wow.
• 29:33
  Speaker 3: So housing being the most expensive building their habitat, and
• 29:37
  Speaker 3: then you know they have to have a keeper, insurance,
• 29:41
  Speaker 3: you know, electricity, they've got to have a pool with
• 29:43
  Speaker 3: a water you know, waterfall or circulating circulating fresh water
• 29:48
  Speaker 3: every day. So yeah, very expensive. And then of course
• 29:51
  Speaker 3: you know going across the country to get animals out
• 29:54
  Speaker 3: of situations, that's expensive too. So it's not cheap, but
• 29:58
  Speaker 3: you know, we do it right. We give each animal
• 30:01
  Speaker 3: a really good quality of life.
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: That makes me so happy. My mom works for the
• 30:07
  Speaker 1: Humane Society, and you know we're big on animals, from
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: you know, the little hamsters to the big old bears.
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: So it's beautiful to see you doing all of this work.
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: How did you decide that you wanted to be in
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: this business of, you know, creating a sanctuary.
• 30:25
  Speaker 3: Well kind of by mistake. I was actually opening a
• 30:28
  Speaker 3: restaurant and in the hospitality business. And when I was
• 30:33
  Speaker 3: building one of my restaurants, I saw lions, tigers, leopards
• 30:36
  Speaker 3: for sale or lions tiger's cougars for sale, and I
• 30:39
  Speaker 3: answered the ad. This was in Texas and in nineteen
• 30:43
  Speaker 3: ninety and I've been working with the animals ever since.
• 30:46
  Speaker 3: I came across a woman. I wanted to answer the
• 30:49
  Speaker 3: ad and see what it was. And the first place
• 30:52
  Speaker 3: I went the lady lived on five acres. She had
• 30:55
  Speaker 3: thirty breeding cats and all these babies running around her
• 30:58
  Speaker 3: mobile home floor where you could buy one and take
• 31:01
  Speaker 3: one home today. So that really caught my attention, so
• 31:04
  Speaker 3: I started volunteering for her. And then I answered, you know,
• 31:08
  Speaker 3: it's other ads, and you just see the exotic animal
• 31:13
  Speaker 3: trade there like it's night and day. And I've seen
• 31:16
  Speaker 3: tigers for sale at cattle auctions in the Walmart parking
• 31:20
  Speaker 3: lot and they don't care who they're selling them to.
• 31:24
  Speaker 3: It's just to keep turning the babies and keep making
• 31:27
  Speaker 3: a profit. There's no federal tracking on these animals. Nobody
• 31:31
  Speaker 3: really knows exactly how many tigers are in the United
• 31:34
  Speaker 3: States and how many are in backyards. There's no way
• 31:37
  Speaker 3: to know, and we're just slowly getting state by state
• 31:42
  Speaker 3: laws passed to protect the animals because so many disappear.
• 31:47
  Speaker 3: You know, they're so cute when they're little, and they
• 31:50
  Speaker 3: use them for the photo ops and so people can
• 31:52
  Speaker 3: hold them and pet them and get their picture taken. Please, please,
• 31:55
  Speaker 3: please don't do it. There's not one legitimate place in
• 31:58
  Speaker 3: this country anymore that's doing what we call the cub
• 32:00
  Speaker 3: petting or cub handling. That's your first sign and most
• 32:05
  Speaker 3: of the animals disappear.
• 32:06
  Speaker 1: Oh my gosh. You know, there was one thing that
• 32:11
  Speaker 1: I had seen about. There was one white tiger in
• 32:16
  Speaker 1: the world, and basically any white tiger that popped up,
• 32:23
  Speaker 1: they all tracked them back to this. Basically they were
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: all in bred and some of them are now at
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: I believe is that the mirage in Las Vegas. Their
• 32:35
  Speaker 1: eyes are all messed up like the amount of inner breeding.
• 32:41
  Speaker 1: I mean, it's absolutely disgusting and I can't believe that
• 32:46
  Speaker 1: it's not taken more seriously, I.
• 32:49
  Speaker 3: Don't even know what to say about that, because I've
• 32:52
  Speaker 3: been doing this since nineteen nine and trying to expose
• 32:55
  Speaker 3: these people. And yeah, even as you're seeing in Tiger King,
• 33:00
  Speaker 3: they never seem to get in trouble for the animal abuse.
• 33:03
  Speaker 3: They get in trouble for drugs, yeah, for weapons, for
• 33:06
  Speaker 3: sexual things, for child endangerment, as we see murder for hire,
• 33:13
  Speaker 3: statutory rate, things like that, and then the animals always
• 33:17
  Speaker 3: come second. And one of the the only explanation I
• 33:21
  Speaker 3: can give for that is animals are still considered property.
• 33:25
  Speaker 3: And until our animals aren't considered property, they don't really
• 33:28
  Speaker 3: have any rights. So all of these animals that like
• 33:31
  Speaker 3: Joe Shribango and these people have dumped and use for
• 33:35
  Speaker 3: their drama and so they can stay in the media.
• 33:39
  Speaker 3: Nothing happens to them for what they've done to them,
• 33:41
  Speaker 3: And many animals have died, and they've killed many animals
• 33:45
  Speaker 3: and everything else broken the Endangered Species Act, and it
• 33:49
  Speaker 3: just seems to keep on going, and I just it
• 33:52
  Speaker 3: breaks my heart, but we just keep trying.
• 33:54
  Speaker 1: What do you think would be the biggest way that
• 33:58
  Speaker 1: people can start helping move this forward where we can
• 34:02
  Speaker 1: make a difference. I mean, obviously I try just through
• 34:07
  Speaker 1: my little social media to inform people that don't go
• 34:11
  Speaker 1: and support these places. Without our support, it's not a
• 34:15
  Speaker 1: sustainable business anymore. But at the same time, there has
• 34:21
  Speaker 1: to be legal repercussions for these people, because that's the
• 34:24
  Speaker 1: problem I had with Tiger King as well. It's like,
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: why are the animals being placed like basically on the
• 34:30
  Speaker 1: back burner. That was the start of the show. That's
• 34:35
  Speaker 1: what they wanted to portray, was it was about the animals.
• 34:38
  Speaker 1: And then I'm starting this it's murder for hire, it's
• 34:41
  Speaker 1: the statutory rape. I was like, we're we're losing what
• 34:44
  Speaker 1: this documentary was supposed to be about, which was it's
• 34:47
  Speaker 1: about the big cats, It's about the exotic animals. So
• 34:51
  Speaker 1: I was very disappointed that Tiger King took that turn
• 34:57
  Speaker 1: because I was hoping it would be like Blackfish myself too.
• 35:01
  Speaker 3: I know, it's very frustrating, So I just hope people
• 35:06
  Speaker 3: finally get it and they don't support these places anymore.
• 35:10
  Speaker 1: You almost want to shake people because you're showing your
• 35:13
  Speaker 1: it's like right in front of them, and you're no,
• 35:17
  Speaker 1: we're not allowed. But it's just like, I don't want
• 35:21
  Speaker 1: I don't understand how it doesn't click that this is
• 35:24
  Speaker 1: so wrong, and I think that it's beautiful work that
• 35:29
  Speaker 1: you're doing, and the fact that you started doing it
• 35:32
  Speaker 1: in nineteen ninety I believe is what you said. I mean,
• 35:36
  Speaker 1: you were way ahead of the game knowing that this
• 35:39
  Speaker 1: was so wrong. What was the first animal that you
• 35:43
  Speaker 1: took into your sanctuary?
• 35:45
  Speaker 3: Two tigers. Their names were Raja and Natasha Okay, and
• 35:49
  Speaker 3: they came from Alvin, Texas. The man had bought them
• 35:52
  Speaker 3: as a pet for his wife and they were living
• 35:55
  Speaker 3: in a six by twelve chain link enclosure, no top,
• 36:00
  Speaker 3: and right after they got the cats, I guess they
• 36:02
  Speaker 3: decided they were going to get divorced, and just to
• 36:04
  Speaker 3: be mean to her, he didn't want her to have
• 36:07
  Speaker 3: the cats. So they stayed in that six by twelve,
• 36:10
  Speaker 3: probably about six years, no shade, no shelter. One had
• 36:14
  Speaker 3: to stand up for the other to lay down and
• 36:16
  Speaker 3: turn around, and they would, you know, have to fight
• 36:19
  Speaker 3: over the food. You and I couldn't even survive that.
• 36:23
  Speaker 3: But then finally he was getting in trouble, and Fish
• 36:26
  Speaker 3: and Wildlife gave us thirty days to get the permits
• 36:30
  Speaker 3: to cross the state lines and get a habit, a
• 36:32
  Speaker 3: suitable hat the tap built for them and you know,
• 36:35
  Speaker 3: get them out of there, and the guy agreed to
• 36:38
  Speaker 3: let us take them, so we kind of left out there.
• 36:41
  Speaker 1: So those were your first two animals.
• 36:43
  Speaker 3: Here at Lions, tigers and bears, and that was two
• 36:46
  Speaker 3: thousand and two September two thousand and two.
• 36:48
  Speaker 1: Wow.
• 36:49
  Speaker 3: And then of course Natasha was pregnant, because that's what
• 36:52
  Speaker 3: he was doing. He was breeding them in that small
• 36:55
  Speaker 3: enclosure and then pulling the babies. So what the breeders
• 36:58
  Speaker 3: do is they pull the baby when they're about eight
• 37:01
  Speaker 3: to ten days old, their eyes aren't even open yet,
• 37:04
  Speaker 3: and they pull them from the mama and that will
• 37:06
  Speaker 3: bring the female back into heat, but it's very cruel
• 37:09
  Speaker 3: for the baby because now it's not going to learn
• 37:12
  Speaker 3: how to be a tiger. And they're plugging a bottle
• 37:13
  Speaker 3: in so people can hold it and get their pictures taken.
• 37:17
  Speaker 1: What usually happens to the babies once they're out of
• 37:21
  Speaker 1: that stage, they are they pretty much disposable for whoever
• 37:25
  Speaker 1: has them once they're out of that cute stage. I
• 37:27
  Speaker 1: mean what I know on Tiger King, a lot of
• 37:30
  Speaker 1: things were thrown around like they were being shot once
• 37:33
  Speaker 1: they were out of that quote unquote cute and cuddly stage,
• 37:37
  Speaker 1: gash chambers, what have you like. What do you think
• 37:42
  Speaker 1: happens to them?
• 37:43
  Speaker 3: Oh? I believe that's exactly what happens to them from
• 37:46
  Speaker 3: some of these breeders, because they just disappear and there's
• 37:49
  Speaker 3: no there's no records of how many come and go
• 37:52
  Speaker 3: within a year. For each of these breeders, and it's
• 37:56
  Speaker 3: they have to continue to have babies to keep their
• 37:59
  Speaker 3: business operating for the photo ops. And I've seen you'll
• 38:03
  Speaker 3: see them pushing the limit of using them as they're older.
• 38:08
  Speaker 3: But they're so strong and they're so big, And the
• 38:11
  Speaker 3: USDA says eight to twelve weeks is their window of opportunity.
• 38:15
  Speaker 3: So after that animal's twelve weeks, they're really not supposed
• 38:18
  Speaker 3: to be supposed to be exhibiting that animal, but they
• 38:21
  Speaker 3: do push that limit. But then they are continuously breeding
• 38:26
  Speaker 3: more to get more babies.
• 38:27
  Speaker 1: So they they say that twelve weeks as they say,
• 38:31
  Speaker 1: you're saying some of these people will push the limit,
• 38:33
  Speaker 1: but twelve weeks and then it's just so, where what
• 38:38
  Speaker 1: are these big cat are they the big cats that
• 38:41
  Speaker 1: are you know, full grown? They're not used for playtime?
• 38:45
  Speaker 1: You know, you see them being walked around on leashes?
• 38:48
  Speaker 1: Were these babies at one point? Do they just take
• 38:52
  Speaker 1: in too many babies for the playtime? Like why are
• 38:55
  Speaker 1: some of these big cats staying until they're grown and
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  Speaker 1: older and being walked around on leashes? You know, I'm
• 39:04
  Speaker 1: trying to get the logic behind which none of us
• 39:06
  Speaker 1: are ever going to be able to figure that out.
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  Speaker 3: But some of the ones that you're seeing walk around
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  Speaker 3: on the leashes might look big, but they maybe are
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  Speaker 3: only two years old, and as they get older, they'll
• 39:17
  Speaker 3: they they're they'll disappear. And there are some cats that
• 39:20
  Speaker 3: they do continue to work with, but they don't all work,
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  Speaker 3: so you'll just see the ones that aren't workable disappear.
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  Speaker 1: That is just the strangest business. It's disgusting completely, it's
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  Speaker 1: it's soulless. We are going to cut to a short
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  Speaker 1: break and we will be right back with Bobby Brink.
• 39:44
  Speaker 1: That's our short break. We are back with the Tiger Queen.
• 39:48
  Speaker 1: That's your that's your name. I feel like you should
• 39:50
  Speaker 1: have a show of interviewing you and like educating people.
• 39:55
  Speaker 1: This is this is what I was hoping I would
• 39:59
  Speaker 1: see when it came to Tiger King. They should rename
• 40:02
  Speaker 1: it Tiger Queen. With you and you educate all of
• 40:05
  Speaker 1: us because you look like someone that would also get
• 40:08
  Speaker 1: the job done. So I remember you saying that there's
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  Speaker 1: no like number attached to these animals, so when they're born,
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  Speaker 1: there's no record of them. How do we know how
• 40:22
  Speaker 1: many big cats are in the wild? Versus how many
• 40:27
  Speaker 1: big cats are in captivity in the United States.
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  Speaker 3: So there's no there's honestly, there's no exact number. But
• 40:34
  Speaker 3: one thing we do know, there's more tigers in the
• 40:37
  Speaker 3: state of Texas than there are in the wild.
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  Speaker 1: I just got checked.
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  Speaker 3: And there's more big cats in Florida than any other
• 40:44
  Speaker 3: state in the United States. So those are two of
• 40:48
  Speaker 3: the key bad breeding, you know, breeding states that a
• 40:52
  Speaker 3: lot of this started Ohio too. Ohio used to have
• 40:56
  Speaker 3: all most of the bad exotic animal options, so there
• 41:00
  Speaker 3: were no laws in the state of Ohio and you
• 41:01
  Speaker 3: could go buy any animal that you wanted, poisonous reptiles
• 41:06
  Speaker 3: not even from this country, and carnivores, anything you wanted.
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  Speaker 3: So that has changed with SB three ten. And actually
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  Speaker 3: our sanctuary was the one that got the contract for
• 41:19
  Speaker 3: the state. We moved two hundred and fifty lions, tigers, bears,
• 41:23
  Speaker 3: cougars out of just the state of Ohio alone. That
• 41:26
  Speaker 3: the state compensated from these private owners and a lot
• 41:30
  Speaker 3: of people don't know the Amish will breed the exotics,
• 41:33
  Speaker 3: so they have those big beautiful barns there. Some of
• 41:36
  Speaker 3: them are puppy mills, and some of them breed exotics
• 41:40
  Speaker 3: to hold up and sell at least exotic animal auctions
• 41:43
  Speaker 3: or the catile actions. So luckily Ohio has really been
• 41:46
  Speaker 3: cleaned up by the state, but we still do have places,
• 41:50
  Speaker 3: you know, we call the wild Wild West where animals
• 41:53
  Speaker 3: are still allowed. It's still perfectly legal to own them
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  Speaker 3: as a pet. Oklahoma is one of the places, you know,
• 42:00
  Speaker 3: where Joe was wheregw exotics Joe Exotic, and he got
• 42:06
  Speaker 3: away with it for years and years and years, and
• 42:08
  Speaker 3: you know, myself and everybody else was trying, but there's
• 42:11
  Speaker 3: just no laws to There were no laws in place
• 42:14
  Speaker 3: to protect the animals.
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  Speaker 1: Do you feel like since this documentary came out that
• 42:20
  Speaker 1: we are getting closer to laws being put in place
• 42:24
  Speaker 1: to protect these animals.
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  Speaker 3: When it first came out, I was kind of thinking yes,
• 42:29
  Speaker 3: But like, here's a perfect example that I've been working on.
• 42:32
  Speaker 3: There's a man in Las Vegas right now trying to
• 42:35
  Speaker 3: open up a tent on the strip in a parking
• 42:38
  Speaker 3: lot with tigers, and he's showing him to the public
• 42:44
  Speaker 3: as living in his house, you know, as his family,
• 42:47
  Speaker 3: but he wants to start a magic show. So I
• 42:50
  Speaker 3: kind of feel like that's like where they get where
• 42:54
  Speaker 3: they want to be in the media or the drama,
• 42:56
  Speaker 3: like they want the drama to keep going, like they
• 42:59
  Speaker 3: want to be the next thing freedom Roy. I guess, like,
• 43:01
  Speaker 3: why would we put tigers in a parking lot.
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  Speaker 1: Test that ended very badly? I don't know why you
• 43:08
  Speaker 1: would want to be that.
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  Speaker 3: We're still working on that because I was just there
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  Speaker 3: and at the community meeting and it was Winchester County.
• 43:16
  Speaker 3: They did say no, but it goes to Clark County now,
• 43:20
  Speaker 3: and we're not sure Clark County is going to say no.
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  Speaker 3: You know, this should be a thing of the past.
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  Speaker 3: Abusing animals like this and exploiting them should be the
• 43:27
  Speaker 3: thing of the past, especially in Vegas. Look what's happened
• 43:30
  Speaker 3: in Vegas firsthand?
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  Speaker 1: Firsthand, I mean audience members were traumatized. Someone straight up
• 43:36
  Speaker 1: died because these are these are animals that obviously and
• 43:40
  Speaker 1: it sounds so like as the words come out of
• 43:43
  Speaker 1: my mouth, I can't even believe that I have to
• 43:45
  Speaker 1: say them. Animals like this belong in the wild in
• 43:50
  Speaker 1: their natural habitat. Like it just seems like you said,
• 43:53
  Speaker 1: it should be something that's in the past. Why are
• 43:56
  Speaker 1: we still exploiting animals we know they can turn and
• 44:00
  Speaker 1: on us because they're wild. I mean, it just is
• 44:05
  Speaker 1: horrific in any sense of the word. And I just
• 44:08
  Speaker 1: appreciate the work that you and your team do.
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  Speaker 3: Thank you.
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  Speaker 1: So my next question is, obviously, because it's not cheap.
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  Speaker 1: You said a tiger is like ten thousand dollars just
• 44:18
  Speaker 1: to feed a year, how do you bring money in
• 44:24
  Speaker 1: and how do you support because obviously you're not exploiting
• 44:28
  Speaker 1: the animals, which many sanctuaries quote unquote do to bring
• 44:32
  Speaker 1: in the funds. How do you bring in the funds
• 44:35
  Speaker 1: for these animals?
• 44:36
  Speaker 3: So we are five oh one C three. We have
• 44:38
  Speaker 3: nonprofit so donations. So we do a lot of digital
• 44:44
  Speaker 3: like social media, email, community outreach where we just set
• 44:48
  Speaker 3: up a table and talk about what we do. We
• 44:50
  Speaker 3: do different presentations for different groups. We have a group
• 44:54
  Speaker 3: visits out here, so you can come out Wednesday through
• 44:57
  Speaker 3: Saturday and they're at scheduled times so we can take
• 45:00
  Speaker 3: you around the sanctuary. We'll do behind the scenes. We
• 45:03
  Speaker 3: do fundraisers out here, weddings, anything that overnight. Matter of fact,
• 45:10
  Speaker 3: I'm sitting in the retreat right now where you can
• 45:12
  Speaker 3: rent out to stay overnight right out here with the animals,
• 45:16
  Speaker 3: So we do things like that, you know, to raise
• 45:20
  Speaker 3: the funds to do our work. Right now, we desperately
• 45:23
  Speaker 3: need funds to build more habitats because we can't get
• 45:27
  Speaker 3: these places shut down without having places to let the
• 45:30
  Speaker 3: animals live out their life. And they're not cheat you know,
• 45:33
  Speaker 3: you can imagine, they're not cheap to build. So we're
• 45:36
  Speaker 3: constantly having a campaign to build the next habitat, and
• 45:39
  Speaker 3: we've just been building like one or two every year.
• 45:42
  Speaker 1: Wow.
• 45:43
  Speaker 3: And in the same breath out trying to fight for
• 45:45
  Speaker 3: their rights. So this can stop because as surplus animals,
• 45:49
  Speaker 3: we have to stop having surplus animals. They just it's funny.
• 45:53
  Speaker 3: When I first started working with these animals, I thought, oh,
• 45:55
  Speaker 3: it's okay, you know how they live. But I've been
• 45:58
  Speaker 3: doing this a long time now, and the more you
• 46:00
  Speaker 3: work around them, the more you know they don't belong
• 46:03
  Speaker 3: you can. They don't belong in a habitat or a cage.
• 46:06
  Speaker 3: They're a wild animal. And like you and I, we
• 46:09
  Speaker 3: can have the most beautiful house in the whole wide world,
• 46:12
  Speaker 3: we still want to go out. We still want to
• 46:15
  Speaker 3: venture out somewhere. So I'm sure it's the same for them.
• 46:17
  Speaker 3: Like they're trapped in their habitat. They don't belong in captivity.
• 46:22
  Speaker 1: They just don't know they don't. And unfortunately, there's no
• 46:25
  Speaker 1: other option for them because if you were to throw
• 46:28
  Speaker 1: them into the wild where they belong, they just wouldn't
• 46:31
  Speaker 1: be able to survive. So, you know, I guess the
• 46:37
  Speaker 1: next best thing is having them go to a place
• 46:40
  Speaker 1: like yours, where you know at least they can live
• 46:43
  Speaker 1: out the rest of their life. It's just beyond heartbreaking.
• 46:48
  Speaker 1: I know that you said this was where you were
• 46:51
  Speaker 1: doing a zoom right now. So you have an area
• 46:55
  Speaker 1: where people can come and stay and be with the animals,
• 46:58
  Speaker 1: and how to people book that do? They just go
• 47:01
  Speaker 1: on to your website. I mean, it's so adorable, it's
• 47:04
  Speaker 1: so festive in there. I love it.
• 47:07
  Speaker 3: They just go right on the website and you can
• 47:09
  Speaker 3: book an overnight. You can book we call it a
• 47:11
  Speaker 3: member for a day and it's about a two hour
• 47:14
  Speaker 3: visit where the keepers and the train or the train
• 47:16
  Speaker 3: volunteers will take you around to each animal and they
• 47:19
  Speaker 3: kind of just tell you their story and the animals
• 47:22
  Speaker 3: that you kind of know the schedule and they know
• 47:24
  Speaker 3: the routine, so they'll always come up and when you
• 47:27
  Speaker 3: come out, you'll see that. And of course we'll feed
• 47:29
  Speaker 3: them through the fence, you know, just as a reward
• 47:32
  Speaker 3: or a treat, and a lot of times we'll give
• 47:34
  Speaker 3: them enrichment so they can play.
• 47:36
  Speaker 1: You know.
• 47:36
  Speaker 3: That's another thing. When you put them in captivity, it's
• 47:38
  Speaker 3: not like having a dog where you can leave them
• 47:41
  Speaker 3: at home with another dog all day. They need continuous
• 47:44
  Speaker 3: care and attention, so having the visitors come they do
• 47:47
  Speaker 3: enjoy it.
• 47:48
  Speaker 1: I love that. And what is the website? And is
• 47:50
  Speaker 1: this where people can also donate? I just want people
• 47:53
  Speaker 1: to be able to find you guys.
• 47:55
  Speaker 3: Yep, it's www Dot Lions Tigersanthayars dot org. It's dot
• 48:01
  Speaker 3: org and we're in San Diego Outpine, California. It's a
• 48:04
  Speaker 3: great place to come visit anyway.
• 48:06
  Speaker 1: I mean, I love it. It sounds like a dream
• 48:09
  Speaker 1: come true for me. I am so grateful that you
• 48:12
  Speaker 1: made time to do my podcast today, and I mean,
• 48:17
  Speaker 1: you really are just doing God's work for these animals,
• 48:19
  Speaker 1: So thank you for that as well.
• 48:21
  Speaker 3: Thank you because I think the one biggest problem here
• 48:24
  Speaker 3: is people don't know, and people can't help something they
• 48:27
  Speaker 3: don't know, So thank you for helping us.
• 48:29
  Speaker 1: Share anyway that I can help in the future. I
• 48:32
  Speaker 1: would like to get in contact with you and if
• 48:35
  Speaker 1: you need anything posted or literally anything and everything, please
• 48:40
  Speaker 1: hit me up because I would love to be involved.
• 48:42
  Speaker 3: Thank you, thank you, thank you Bobby.
• 48:44
  Speaker 1: I'll talk to bye bye