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High and Rising · Hip-Hop Now Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Welcome to Hipop Now. Potts from the future. You know
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  Speaker 2: Of my past life, so disrespect to late.
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  Speaker 4: you know enjoy this kind of content. Now we have
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  Speaker 4: a very very very special episode. Y'all know, I don't
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  Speaker 4: even do interviews. I did it when I was younger,
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  Speaker 4: and trust me, when you're doing hip hop interviews, a
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  Speaker 4: lot of times you almost got to fight and all
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  Speaker 4: kinds of craziness. So when I started my podcast, I
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  Speaker 4: was like, yeah, I'm going to do something different as
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  Speaker 4: far as news and putting people on and this is
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  Speaker 4: one of those episodes. And I'm going to break from
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  Speaker 4: not doing interviews because it's a special brother here with us,
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  Speaker 4: a special book and a special group with a special place.
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  Speaker 3: In hip hop.
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  Speaker 4: The book is called High and Rising, the book about
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  Speaker 4: Daylight Soul. And my guess is, Marcus J. Moore, what's good, brother?
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  Speaker 3: What's going on? Man? How you feeling?
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  Speaker 1: Can complain?
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  Speaker 4: Man?
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  Speaker 1: You're the superstar though you're the man right now?
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  Speaker 3: Just drop your man. I'm doing what I can. Man.
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  Speaker 3: I appreciate all the good vibes so far.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, no, doubt well deserved as well.
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  Speaker 4: So we're just gonna start from the beginning because obviously
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  Speaker 4: in this case, I'm saying obviously, because I know you're
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  Speaker 4: a hip hop head and a lot of people like
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  Speaker 4: to ask the question, you know, like when do you
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  Speaker 4: first call on love with hip hop as a hip
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  Speaker 4: hop head? I hate that question. I ain't gonna lie.
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  Speaker 4: I'm from Brooklyn, New York. It's a little bit deeper
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  Speaker 4: for me. But I feel like a better question for
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  Speaker 4: hip hop head is you know, obviously where you're originally from.
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  Speaker 4: You could tell us about that, but also what was
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  Speaker 4: your first hip hop experience, whether that's hearing the song
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  Speaker 4: and linking in an album, a dance clothing. You know,
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  Speaker 4: where does this story with hip hop begin for you?
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  Speaker 2: I think the story begins for me with my cousin Eric,
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  Speaker 2: who was a DJ. My cousin Eric Hart who he was.
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  Speaker 2: He was eleven years older than me. Originally, I'm I'm,
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  Speaker 2: you know, to go back and answer your question, I'm
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  Speaker 2: from Prince George's County, Maryland, Landover Maryland specifically, and so
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  Speaker 2: I grew up with my cousin Eric and other older
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  Speaker 2: cousins who you know, they were in the hip hop
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  Speaker 2: and they knew of it from the very very beginning,
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  Speaker 2: you know. So my cousin I remember he spent time
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  Speaker 2: in La and throughout California, and I want to say
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  Speaker 2: it was maybe nineteen eighty eight, possibly the eighty seven
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  Speaker 2: when he comes back and he tells me my cousin
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  Speaker 2: Isaac and my cousin Tiffany. He was like, Yo, there's
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  Speaker 2: this dude out in Cali named mc hammer, just making
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  Speaker 2: some noise, like y'all might want to pay attention. And
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  Speaker 2: I remember we laughed him out. We were like what, like,
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  Speaker 2: who nah, I don't think this dude's gonna make any noise.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know about this here, bro, And he was like, okay,
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  Speaker 2: watch what I tell you, and lord no, like I
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  Speaker 2: want to say it was maybe like even like a
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  Speaker 2: month or later, he comes out with let's get It started.
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  Speaker 2: Everybody goes crazy his videos all over the place, So
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  Speaker 2: that for me is my last thing like first memory.
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  Speaker 2: But also, you know, alongside with that memory, my cousin
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  Speaker 2: Eric was very liberal about his vinyl so I mean,
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  Speaker 2: he was a professional DJ, but he would let me
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  Speaker 2: just kind of like go through the records and you know,
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  Speaker 2: look at stuff. So I'm looking at like the Iced
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  Speaker 2: Tea Power album cover, which is a crazy cover, like
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  Speaker 2: when you flip it over, you're like, oh, all right, right, okay, cool,
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  Speaker 2: all right, I see I see you. And then also
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  Speaker 2: like EP and D stuff like that. So yeah, hip
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  Speaker 2: hop for me begin with my family, and quite frankly,
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  Speaker 2: that's why I wanted to shout them out as much
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  Speaker 2: as I could in this book.
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  Speaker 3: That just came out right.
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  Speaker 4: And what I like about what you said, that's I
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  Speaker 4: like the fact that it's due that it involves mc hammer,
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  Speaker 4: who know if if you look at the cliff notes,
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  Speaker 4: he's almost like a polarizing figure. But people forget about
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  Speaker 4: let's get it started, you know what I'm saying, Like,
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  Speaker 4: it wasn't what he's kind of been known for. It
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  Speaker 4: was more in that hip hop lane, more aggressive in
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  Speaker 4: the styles of DLC and and LL just like you know,
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  Speaker 4: attacking the beat as opposed to what people think he
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  Speaker 4: was based off of what his later work basically. So
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  Speaker 4: I thought that was dope that you mentioned that, and
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  Speaker 4: you know, and your cousin being like, yo, you better
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  Speaker 4: watch out.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, and that's laughing about being like nah man, that's
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  Speaker 2: not We'll get out of productions. This ain't public enemy
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  Speaker 2: what you're talking about. And it's like, all right, watch
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  Speaker 2: what I tell you. It's sure enough, it's crazy. So
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  Speaker 2: I guess with that being said, what I what I
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  Speaker 2: think about?
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  Speaker 4: You know, your first book was about Kendrick Lamar, which
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  Speaker 4: sto and obviously people who don't know definitely go check
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  Speaker 4: that one out as well. But what was it that
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  Speaker 4: made you decide to write a book about Daylight Soul specifically,
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  Speaker 4: and why do you think it's important for something like
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  Speaker 4: this to be available now in twenty twenty four.
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  Speaker 2: Uh, well, you know that that's I'm glad that you
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  Speaker 2: asked that question, man, because you know, one of my
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  Speaker 2: biggest fears when this book was coming out, I was like,
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  Speaker 2: am I going to have to let people know that
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  Speaker 2: I wasn't doing it, you know, to chase any sort
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  Speaker 2: of legacy, or I wasn't doing it to cash in
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  Speaker 2: on grief. I wasn't trying to do that because obviously
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  Speaker 2: day from Dayla Soul passed away in twenty twenty three.
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  Speaker 2: So but no, my focus with this book was the
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  Speaker 2: same with Kendrick. Where these are big names, right, like
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  Speaker 2: Kendrick Lamars arguably well he's easily one of the greatest
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  Speaker 2: rappers of all time. Already Day La Soul arguably the
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  Speaker 2: greatest rap group of all time. You know, depending on
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  Speaker 2: who you talk to, they don't need my co sign
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  Speaker 2: by any means. But as a fan and also as
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  Speaker 2: a black author, it's important to be telling the stories
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  Speaker 2: of black genius in the literary space, you know, because
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  Speaker 2: it's like I've been saying a bunch of times, where
• 7:26
  Speaker 2: you can read the same book over and over. You
• 7:29
  Speaker 2: can read books on Miles Davis forever. You can read
• 7:31
  Speaker 2: books on John Coltrane, Forever, Bruce Springsteen, the Beatles, all.
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  Speaker 3: Of these people. You can read these books.
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  Speaker 2: A million times that they will cut these stories so
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  Speaker 2: many different ways, Whereas I'm always on the other side saying, Okay,
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  Speaker 2: that's good. But I feel like when we do that,
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  Speaker 2: we underestimate the intelligence of the reader. And I never
• 7:52
  Speaker 2: want to do that in anything, In any article I write,
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  Speaker 2: any show that I curate, any book that I write.
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  Speaker 3: I wanted to.
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  Speaker 2: Give people the book that they didn't know that they needed,
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  Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying. So that's what I did
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  Speaker 2: with Kendrick, where I'm like, you know, and I heard
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  Speaker 2: the chirping from like, you know, certain cats, like oh,
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  Speaker 2: it's too soon, until five years later when he decides
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  Speaker 2: to end Drake. Then it's like, oh damn, okay, this
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  Speaker 2: book that came out five years ago.
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  Speaker 3: Predicted all of this stuff.
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  Speaker 2: It's like, I told y'all, so, same thing with Daylight,
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  Speaker 2: where it's like, quite honestly, man, as cliche as it
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  Speaker 2: may sound, I just really wanted to celebrate one of
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  Speaker 2: my favorite groups ever in the literary space because yo
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  Speaker 2: man with me. In particular, Daylight Soul kind of showed
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  Speaker 2: people like myself and probably all kinds of black men
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  Speaker 2: that it's okay to show love.
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  Speaker 3: It's okay.
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  Speaker 2: It's okay for black men to tell other black men
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  Speaker 2: that they love them. It's okay to hug your brother,
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  Speaker 2: It's okay to you know, be vulnerable, to express your
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  Speaker 2: feelings and not always have a scowl on your face.
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  Speaker 2: So Sold to Me was the most relatable group when
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  Speaker 2: I was a kid, you know, because as much as
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  Speaker 2: I loved the lls and the rock ms and people
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  Speaker 2: like that public and I mean I still love that music,
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  Speaker 2: Daylight Sold to Me felt the most attainable because they
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  Speaker 2: I tended to dress like them. I wanted to have
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  Speaker 2: crazy haircuts like them, and you know, with Dayla, it's
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  Speaker 2: like their legends and you would see articles here and
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  Speaker 2: there over the years, but nothing that encapsulated everything that
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  Speaker 2: we love about the group.
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  Speaker 3: So I wanted to write a book that spoke to us.
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  Speaker 2: Quite honestly, I wasn't necessarily trying to talk to the
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  Speaker 2: person who doesn't really care about this music or Daylight
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  Speaker 2: in the first place. I wanted to talk to folks
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  Speaker 2: like you, you know, folks like our home Angelica, you know,
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  Speaker 2: folks who like grew up with the music and can
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  Speaker 2: identify with it.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, that's dope, because you know, obviously I was going
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  Speaker 4: to go there as well. You know, of those who
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  Speaker 4: don't know who are thinking about picking up this book.
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  Speaker 4: One of the things I like about it, and you
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  Speaker 4: just pointed it out, is the fact that it's not
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  Speaker 4: just about Daylight Soul. It's also about being a fan
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  Speaker 4: of Daylight Soul and being a young black man growing
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  Speaker 4: with this group. And I thought, you know, when you
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  Speaker 4: told me about the idea originally, and I thought that
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  Speaker 4: was a dope idea because I you know, I've done
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  Speaker 4: things like that. I've thought about things like that as
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  Speaker 4: a as a fan. And it's not like, you know,
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  Speaker 4: you want to read about day or Soul and you
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  Speaker 4: want to skip the parts about Marcus. The parts about
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  Speaker 4: Marcus is us. You know, you're the mirror, you're the fan.
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  Speaker 4: You're the person who absorbed the music in either the
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  Speaker 4: same ways or whatever kind of ways. But you're the
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  Speaker 4: relatable character in the story, the guide, so to speak.
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  Speaker 4: And I think in a lot of ways, you revealed
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  Speaker 4: a couple of things that I didn't know. Some things
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  Speaker 4: I did about Dayla Soul, but a couple of things
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  Speaker 4: I didn't know that played out into themes for me
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  Speaker 4: about Daylat Soul that I didn't realize were there.
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  Speaker 1: Now, some of those themes may be very controversial.
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  Speaker 4: For the hip hop heads because you know, y'all like
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  Speaker 4: to argue, you know what I'm saying over the different
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  Speaker 4: you know who's here and what. But you know, considering
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  Speaker 4: what you wrote and you pointed out what I was
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  Speaker 4: already thinking about the group. Some of those themes include
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  Speaker 4: and I'm gonna just imna be a straight shooter with it.
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  Speaker 4: Day Lot Soul was like against the brain from day one,
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  Speaker 4: and having listened to the entire catalog recently, that's a
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  Speaker 4: theme on every album that we are not then kind
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  Speaker 4: of thing. Now you alluded to it, and you straight
• 11:52
  Speaker 4: upset it not even alluded to, but you said it
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  Speaker 4: in your book. How that can be perceived as haters,
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  Speaker 4: you know, like a career of hating on the other
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  Speaker 4: side of those who were different from them. But the
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  Speaker 4: other theme that most people don't realize that Daylight has
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  Speaker 4: always said, but it took Little Sean to say it
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  Speaker 4: recently for people to be like, what is that Daylight Soul?
• 12:16
  Speaker 4: Will whoop be your ass?
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  Speaker 3: Also?
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  Speaker 1: And I didn't realize a lot of.
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  Speaker 4: These different things were even in three feet high and rhysing.
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  Speaker 3: You know, what do you like?
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  Speaker 4: Obviously, you know there's some things that you can relate
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  Speaker 4: to that you expressed, But what do you think about
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  Speaker 4: the whole idea of you know, being the alternative to
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  Speaker 4: what's popular throughout the history of hip hop because where
• 12:43
  Speaker 4: they started, we were a little bit more accepting of
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  Speaker 4: everything and eighty eight and all of that. But then
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  Speaker 4: obviously in the nineties you start to get this split.
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  Speaker 4: What do you think about that whole history with Daylight
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  Speaker 4: but also you as.
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  Speaker 2: A hip hop Yeah, man, I feel like that's the
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  Speaker 2: only way to be quite honestly, because like you know,
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  Speaker 2: it's like I always say to people, dare to be different,
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  Speaker 2: you know, And that's what I've been telling people about
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  Speaker 2: this book as well. It's like Dayla Sol dared to
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  Speaker 2: be different. And the reason why I always give that
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  Speaker 2: advice and the reason why I think it applies to
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  Speaker 2: Daylight and to you know, the best hip hop that
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  Speaker 2: we hold dear, is that if you think about it,
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  Speaker 2: over the years, all of our favorite groups or people
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  Speaker 2: were different in a way, you know what I mean.
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  Speaker 2: So whether it's Dayla Soul, whether it's Public Enemy, whether
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  Speaker 2: it's Wu Tang Clan, they were all like they didn't
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  Speaker 2: fit into what somebody else was doing.
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  Speaker 3: They stood alone.
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  Speaker 2: And you know, to answer the first or one part
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  Speaker 2: of your question, it's like I've always governed myself that
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  Speaker 2: way because that's just how I naturally am. Like if
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  Speaker 2: everybody's running over here, if everybody's running over here to
• 13:53
  Speaker 2: get some Jordan's, let me get the shoes nobody has.
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  Speaker 2: You know, I've been that way since a kid, Like
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  Speaker 2: I'm gonna get these cool joints because I'm gonna get
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  Speaker 2: these Tim Hardaway's, because everybody got the Jordan's kind of thing,
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  Speaker 2: you know what I mean. So, but here's the thing
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  Speaker 2: about that, right, And I don't know if it this
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  Speaker 2: probably doesn't apply to Daylight as much because they were
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  Speaker 2: superstars out of the gate, but like, at least for me,
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  Speaker 2: it can be a lonely It was a.
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  Speaker 3: Lonely road for a long time.
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  Speaker 2: You know, it's been a lonely road probably for a
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  Speaker 2: decade where if everybody wanted to cover the Kanye's and
• 14:24
  Speaker 2: the you know, the Drakes and all of that stuff.
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  Speaker 2: I knew that my voice wasn't gonna fit there because
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  Speaker 2: everybody was doing that.
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  Speaker 3: Give me the weird.
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  Speaker 2: Gospel disco record that only has like three listeners, you
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  Speaker 2: know what I'm saying. Give me the weird like metal
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  Speaker 2: techno whatever, Give me that, because I'll write about I
• 14:41
  Speaker 2: can write about that too, So I don't know. I
• 14:44
  Speaker 2: feel like it's always best in any circumstance to just
• 14:48
  Speaker 2: kind of follow your gut, just trust your gut. And
• 14:50
  Speaker 2: if you're into weird music or if you're into something
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  Speaker 2: that's considered left of center, you owe it to yourself
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  Speaker 2: to go down that road because quite frankly, that's how
• 15:00
  Speaker 2: you stick around, you know. And it may be one
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  Speaker 2: of those things where folks may not understand where you're
• 15:08
  Speaker 2: coming from for a long time, but one day you'll
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  Speaker 2: look up and you'll notice they're like, Okay, there are
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  Speaker 2: a few more people. They are paying attention. At least
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  Speaker 2: that's what it's been like for me, where for a
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  Speaker 2: while I felt like I was talking to myself, you know,
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  Speaker 2: like in the early days, I'm like, oh, y'all don't
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  Speaker 2: like Thundercat, Okay, I'm gonna keep it, And then you
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  Speaker 2: look up and it's like, oh, snap, all of y'all
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  Speaker 2: the fooling with this all right?
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  Speaker 3: Great? Right?
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  Speaker 2: And I think within the context of hip hop, I
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  Speaker 2: think a prime example of that is Billy Woods, you know,
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  Speaker 2: because Woods would always talk about how for like twenty years,
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  Speaker 2: like he's been making a great music for like twenty years,
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  Speaker 2: and then all of a sudden one day he looks
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  Speaker 2: up and he's at a festival and it's all these
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  Speaker 2: white kids in.
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  Speaker 3: The lawn on the lawn watching them rap, right right.
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  Speaker 2: So same deal with Daylight, man, like you just gotta
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  Speaker 2: dare to be different and just hope and know that
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  Speaker 2: your music is gonna sta in the test of time
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  Speaker 2: if it's done well.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, I totally agree and definitely well put it kind
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  Speaker 4: of leads to another question and again shout out on
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  Speaker 4: me Angelica when we were talking about Aline, and one
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  Speaker 4: of her observations was Alin is not really seen as
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  Speaker 4: a conscious hip hop group. Most people don't think of
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  Speaker 4: them that way because they're not public enemy.
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  Speaker 1: They're not they're not in you know, they.
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  Speaker 4: Don't create it in a public enemy kind of way
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  Speaker 4: or n W a kind of way. It's more forceful,
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  Speaker 4: it's more casual, but it has the same power behind it.
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  Speaker 4: Do you think that was attraction for you just in general,
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  Speaker 4: as you know, a young black kid.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, man, Like I don't always want people shouting
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  Speaker 2: at me all the time, you know, Like I came up,
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  Speaker 2: we came up in the same era where it was
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  Speaker 2: it like, look at the bringing was a little harder,
• 17:01
  Speaker 2: like you know, you go get some real talk and
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  Speaker 2: you can't be afraid of the real talk. But that
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  Speaker 2: doesn't necessarily mean I always want to be fighting the power.
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  Speaker 2: You know, sometime I need somebody to just kind of
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  Speaker 2: put the arm around the shoulder and be like, hey,
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  Speaker 2: you know, you know what you did back there was
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  Speaker 2: messed up, right, Like I still love you, but you know,
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  Speaker 2: don't do that again.
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  Speaker 3: It's like okay, that like that.
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  Speaker 2: Resonates, And that's how kind of like Daylight felt to me,
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  Speaker 2: where it's like, yo, we're gonna let you know that
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  Speaker 2: you know what you what you're doing is whack, Like
• 17:29
  Speaker 2: don't do that again, though, Like we love you, but
• 17:31
  Speaker 2: don't do that again. So right, oh yeah, So it
• 17:34
  Speaker 2: just that's how it resonated with me. And I think
• 17:36
  Speaker 2: you guys are right when you're talking about it, Like
• 17:40
  Speaker 2: they said all the things you know, they had records
• 17:43
  Speaker 2: that were very honest, Like, you know, my mind goes
• 17:45
  Speaker 2: to the song my Brother's the bass Head when Pass
• 17:49
  Speaker 2: is talking about his brother another song like you know,
• 17:53
  Speaker 2: Dave's opening salvo on Steaks is High, the song Steaks
• 17:56
  Speaker 2: is High where he's like, I'm sick of everything I
• 17:59
  Speaker 2: hate at all. You know, he's just kind of saying it.
• 18:02
  Speaker 2: But even in that moment, you don't feel like, oh, wow, okay,
• 18:06
  Speaker 2: he's just better. He's just being honest, right, So yeah, No,
• 18:11
  Speaker 2: I would never label their lot so a conscious group
• 18:13
  Speaker 2: because they could do all the things. But I've always
• 18:17
  Speaker 2: appreciated just as a young black kid, how you know,
• 18:21
  Speaker 2: I could take lessons from them, but I feel like
• 18:24
  Speaker 2: I'm being scolded.
• 18:26
  Speaker 4: Right, Yeah, that's a good way to put it, because
• 18:29
  Speaker 4: I think I never even thought about that.
• 18:31
  Speaker 1: For some of the same reasons.
• 18:33
  Speaker 4: I always felt like the music had a certain level
• 18:36
  Speaker 4: of entertainment to it, and sometimes, especially as a kid,
• 18:40
  Speaker 4: the messages will go over my head because you know, I.
• 18:42
  Speaker 1: Wasn't dead yet, and even with Stakes.
• 18:46
  Speaker 4: Is High, where I was a little like just to
• 18:50
  Speaker 4: soap box a little bit for y'all around that time,
• 18:54
  Speaker 4: like ninety six or whatever it was, real divisive and
• 18:58
  Speaker 4: hip hop like big Time was a big divide. And
• 19:02
  Speaker 4: I was always a fan of Daylight and Jay Root
• 19:05
  Speaker 4: the Damnature, and I felt like they were beneath the
• 19:08
  Speaker 4: finger pointing because I felt like their music was so
• 19:13
  Speaker 4: great in itself it would tell people who wanted the
• 19:16
  Speaker 4: same formulave shiny suit stuff that this is still great.
• 19:21
  Speaker 1: But I think the minute more JayR The Damager than anything.
• 19:28
  Speaker 4: The more he started to say don't do that over there,
• 19:31
  Speaker 4: the more those people felt offended by him. But he
• 19:35
  Speaker 4: was pretty dope and the albums though Ratha mathis the album,
• 19:40
  Speaker 4: did you at any point on some hip hop stuff
• 19:44
  Speaker 4: feel like because we know what the age we live in,
• 19:46
  Speaker 4: the social media age where everything is a hot take,
• 19:50
  Speaker 4: and you know, were you afraid that or.
• 19:53
  Speaker 1: Are you afraid that?
• 19:55
  Speaker 4: Some people in today's age will only look at that
• 19:59
  Speaker 4: argument and feel like you're choosing a side or anothering
• 20:02
  Speaker 4: even though you point out both sides.
• 20:06
  Speaker 3: Uh, Well, I can.
• 20:07
  Speaker 2: I can acknowledge that something like that's probably gonna happen
• 20:11
  Speaker 2: from certain readers, but I also try to govern myself
• 20:14
  Speaker 2: and know that, you know, look, it's just somebody's opinion.
• 20:19
  Speaker 2: I can't control it. You know, I've definitely been working
• 20:22
  Speaker 2: on myself in that regard and just like not worrying
• 20:27
  Speaker 2: about what somebody on the internet that's gonna say, because
• 20:31
  Speaker 2: I mean, everybody has an opinion, Like you said, like
• 20:34
  Speaker 2: everybody feels like they could say something because they have
• 20:36
  Speaker 2: a screen name and they got a Twitter account or
• 20:38
  Speaker 2: x account or whatever. You know, they could just they
• 20:41
  Speaker 2: could just say whatever.
• 20:42
  Speaker 3: So I don't know, I've learned, Yeah, I don't know.
• 20:46
  Speaker 2: Maybe it's a wild lead, but I've learned over the
• 20:48
  Speaker 2: past year as life was happening in a real way
• 20:51
  Speaker 2: to not really take light stuff seriously. Like I've learned
• 20:55
  Speaker 2: to take the serious stuff seriously and let everything else
• 20:59
  Speaker 2: be with it.
• 21:00
  Speaker 3: It's gonna be.
• 21:00
  Speaker 2: So it's like if somebody just wants to argue about
• 21:02
  Speaker 2: some hip hop on the internet, like I'll go a
• 21:05
  Speaker 2: couple of rounds, and after while, I just like, you
• 21:07
  Speaker 2: got it, you got it, because it's like you dug in,
• 21:09
  Speaker 2: you dug into how you feel. So there's nothing I
• 21:12
  Speaker 2: can say, So I just gotta let it happen. Whereas
• 21:17
  Speaker 2: you know, when it when it's time to like talk
• 21:19
  Speaker 2: about something serious, if we're talking seriously about hip hop
• 21:22
  Speaker 2: or about the book or day Lat Soul, then yeah,
• 21:25
  Speaker 2: let's let's talk seriously. But you know, I had a
• 21:28
  Speaker 2: brief example of that this week, Like there was an
• 21:30
  Speaker 2: article that came out I don't know if any I
• 21:33
  Speaker 2: don't know if you've read it, but The Atlantic covered
• 21:38
  Speaker 2: they kind of covered the book, but they sort of
• 21:41
  Speaker 2: used my book as a.
• 21:43
  Speaker 3: Jumping off point.
• 21:45
  Speaker 2: The writer did to say how he thought day La
• 21:49
  Speaker 2: Soul is Dead was a terrible album or it was
• 21:51
  Speaker 2: a bad album or misstep or whatever. You see that,
• 21:54
  Speaker 2: And it was just like, okay, that that was kind
• 21:57
  Speaker 2: of weird. Like, you know, I can understand if he
• 22:01
  Speaker 2: read the book and it was just like all right,
• 22:02
  Speaker 2: I'm just gonna review to review it straight up, right,
• 22:06
  Speaker 2: but to use it as a jumping off point to
• 22:08
  Speaker 2: just kind of get off a hot take to say,
• 22:11
  Speaker 2: like this record, essentially, this record isn't as good as
• 22:14
  Speaker 2: three Feet High and Rising because it doesn't sample.
• 22:16
  Speaker 3: Hauland notes and steely Dan.
• 22:18
  Speaker 2: Like, that's just to me, that's silly, and that's just
• 22:22
  Speaker 2: my I say that to say, that's an example of
• 22:26
  Speaker 2: somebody on the internet just doing things and saying stuff
• 22:29
  Speaker 2: and I can't really worry about it.
• 22:31
  Speaker 4: Yeah, And knowing the space you're in that I'm not in,
• 22:36
  Speaker 4: so I'm gonna say it. So they could, I'll take
• 22:38
  Speaker 4: the beef whatever. But we all know there are a
• 22:43
  Speaker 4: number of organizations, not just when it comes to the
• 22:46
  Speaker 4: written works, and it comes to the sports world. Also
• 22:48
  Speaker 4: we see it all the time who have learned that
• 22:52
  Speaker 4: hot takes equal eyes and ears and clicks and stuff
• 22:57
  Speaker 4: like that. So if you could write about something but
• 23:00
  Speaker 4: also do the same justice of getting it to go viral,
• 23:04
  Speaker 4: so to speak, because now everybody's arguing about it online,
• 23:09
  Speaker 4: they'll take those dives into it. Because what's weird about
• 23:13
  Speaker 4: that to me is when you read the first couple
• 23:16
  Speaker 4: of chapters of your book, if not the first couple
• 23:18
  Speaker 4: of pages between Three Feet High and Rosin and De
• 23:22
  Speaker 4: La Soul is Dead, it isn't explained why they did
• 23:27
  Speaker 4: what they did and what the talk was about them
• 23:30
  Speaker 4: making that change. From a fan perspective, but also media,
• 23:35
  Speaker 4: you know people who didn't like it, who had those
• 23:37
  Speaker 4: same takes, and it's almost like a dead issue that
• 23:41
  Speaker 4: was solved years ago when Dayla only had two albums.
• 23:46
  Speaker 4: So I agree with you, it just seems like something
• 23:49
  Speaker 4: that like you're just bringing up an old argument to
• 23:51
  Speaker 4: bring it up because you think we're too old to remember.
• 23:55
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it was just kind of written.
• 23:57
  Speaker 2: It seemed like it was from the perspective of a
• 23:59
  Speaker 2: person that was outside, right, and look, in full disclosure,
• 24:03
  Speaker 2: I can't sit here and act like I was outside outside.
• 24:05
  Speaker 2: I was ten, But I've also been a music nerd
• 24:08
  Speaker 2: since I was like five, so I totally remember it.
• 24:11
  Speaker 2: I remember all of that and yeah, no, Like I
• 24:14
  Speaker 2: read that and I was like, Okay, that's cute, but
• 24:17
  Speaker 2: that's not true at all.
• 24:19
  Speaker 4: Yeah, So I guess from a person standpoint for you,
• 24:26
  Speaker 4: how does it feel to write about your heroes in general?
• 24:29
  Speaker 4: Because I know you had a mission. But if the
• 24:33
  Speaker 4: ten year old you knew you would be doing this,
• 24:36
  Speaker 4: but this is not of attention on it. You know,
• 24:39
  Speaker 4: how does that make you feel?
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: You know?
• 24:40
  Speaker 2: Knowing that brother man, I'm gonna be super honest with you,
• 24:44
  Speaker 2: and I'm you know, I've made it a point to
• 24:46
  Speaker 2: be vulnerable in public. So I'm of two different minds
• 24:50
  Speaker 2: on this, Like the ten year old me is freaking out,
• 24:55
  Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying, because just like I'm I'm
• 24:58
  Speaker 2: always going to count myself as a fan of musicians,
• 25:02
  Speaker 2: of music of art, Like I have a lot of
• 25:05
  Speaker 2: musician buddies, as we probably both do, and I tell
• 25:08
  Speaker 2: them all the time, like I revere musicians, Like what
• 25:12
  Speaker 2: you guys do is beyond Like you.
• 25:15
  Speaker 3: Can read music.
• 25:16
  Speaker 2: You can you can you know, read something on a
• 25:19
  Speaker 2: page and then translate it to sound like that's crazy
• 25:22
  Speaker 2: to me.
• 25:23
  Speaker 3: Just as a fan.
• 25:24
  Speaker 2: So I love the fact that I can contextualize those things, right,
• 25:30
  Speaker 2: But I'm also on the other side where, you know,
• 25:34
  Speaker 2: where it's like it's tough to be the first to
• 25:36
  Speaker 2: do anything if I can, you know, be honest man,
• 25:38
  Speaker 2: where like the first Kendrick book, it's like this, like, oh, oh,
• 25:42
  Speaker 2: you know, what's this about? Like there's there's a misunderstanding,
• 25:46
  Speaker 2: Like anytime people read the first book on anyone, either
• 25:50
  Speaker 2: the artist or the fans around the artist, or quite frankly,
• 25:54
  Speaker 2: the sort of middleman around these people will do anything
• 26:00
  Speaker 2: possible to try to vilify you because they just kind
• 26:04
  Speaker 2: of feel like, you know, okay, the artists didn't do it,
• 26:07
  Speaker 2: so therefore it's not viable, you know, therefore it's not important.
• 26:11
  Speaker 2: And whereas I'm on the other side, like, okay, look,
• 26:14
  Speaker 2: I'm a creative writer, and I feel like there is
• 26:17
  Speaker 2: a certain segment of the population that doesn't respect creative writing,
• 26:21
  Speaker 2: and I always want to push against that. You know,
• 26:22
  Speaker 2: it's like creative writing is creativity. It's right there in
• 26:26
  Speaker 2: the title. So I'm not saying that, Like, you know,
• 26:31
  Speaker 2: I totally had a tough time, but there were tough
• 26:35
  Speaker 2: moments with this book and Kendrick where.
• 26:37
  Speaker 3: It's just like it's it.
• 26:41
  Speaker 2: Defies some comprehension sometime when you just try to hit
• 26:45
  Speaker 2: people and say, hey, I'm writing this out of love.
• 26:48
  Speaker 2: Obviously they're going to be critical aspects of it, but
• 26:50
  Speaker 2: it's going to be a fair book. And I'm writing
• 26:53
  Speaker 2: out of a place, out of a sense of love.
• 26:55
  Speaker 2: Like certain people just can't understand that. So yeah, like
• 27:00
  Speaker 2: I feel like I say all that to say, and
• 27:02
  Speaker 2: I know I'm all over the place, but I feel
• 27:03
  Speaker 2: like certain times, you know, publicly, I take a lot
• 27:07
  Speaker 2: of bullets for the culture that I try to uphold,
• 27:10
  Speaker 2: and it's and it's frustrating, you know, even within the
• 27:14
  Speaker 2: scope of like I don't remember if you saw not
• 27:16
  Speaker 2: too long ago, We're Punch from TD. The president of
• 27:19
  Speaker 2: TD was just like the reason why you know, rappers
• 27:23
  Speaker 2: don't want to talk to writers because.
• 27:24
  Speaker 3: A lot of y'all at garbage or whatever.
• 27:26
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you saw that, and I felt the way because
• 27:29
  Speaker 2: I'm just like, yo, man, we do a lot to uphold,
• 27:33
  Speaker 2: especially black writers. Man, we do a lot to uphold
• 27:36
  Speaker 2: black content creators.
• 27:38
  Speaker 3: Everything.
• 27:38
  Speaker 2: We're trying to uphold the same culture that we love.
• 27:42
  Speaker 2: But to be vilified by the people we're trying to
• 27:44
  Speaker 2: shout out can can get a little old.
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: Man.
• 27:48
  Speaker 3: So right now, to love is palpable.
• 27:50
  Speaker 2: But I can't even act like I can fully enjoy
• 27:54
  Speaker 2: it because I'm just so trained to, you know, expect.
• 27:57
  Speaker 3: The other shoot to drop that.
• 27:59
  Speaker 2: I'm like, all right, like I kind of cautiously optimistic
• 28:02
  Speaker 2: right now.
• 28:03
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I totally feel that. And I also think, and
• 28:07
  Speaker 4: I guess you know, I'm asking you, do you think
• 28:11
  Speaker 4: something like what Punch said probably has more to do
• 28:16
  Speaker 4: with I take culture of They call themselves journalists, but
• 28:21
  Speaker 4: I don't call them journalists because I know journalists, but
• 28:25
  Speaker 4: the content creators, the influencers, the other podcasts where you know,
• 28:31
  Speaker 4: they don't necessarily and not just podcasts, there's a couple
• 28:34
  Speaker 4: of publications also where they're looking for the hot take,
• 28:38
  Speaker 4: they're looking for the controversy, even if it's coming at them,
• 28:42
  Speaker 4: so they kind of clump you into that category of
• 28:46
  Speaker 4: people covering this content, even though you cover this content
• 28:50
  Speaker 4: with more integrity. Do you think that kind of gets.
• 28:53
  Speaker 3: In a way. Yeah, it definitely gets in a way. Man.
• 28:56
  Speaker 2: I feel like to your point, we're at this place
• 28:59
  Speaker 2: now where people confused journalism with just you know, straight
• 29:02
  Speaker 2: up content creation, where like you said, it's all about
• 29:05
  Speaker 2: the hot take. It's all about saying something wild to
• 29:08
  Speaker 2: get people to you know, subscribe, you know, whereas I
• 29:12
  Speaker 2: mean a lot of our homies are like legit journalists
• 29:15
  Speaker 2: where they're going to have the tough conversation, but they're
• 29:18
  Speaker 2: also going to shut you out. They're also going to
• 29:22
  Speaker 2: celebrate you if they need to be celebrating you, you
• 29:24
  Speaker 2: know what I'm saying. And when I read that, I
• 29:28
  Speaker 2: just kind of was like, you know, the old me
• 29:29
  Speaker 2: probably would have felt the way and would have been
• 29:31
  Speaker 2: in my little feelings or whatever, but you know, currently
• 29:34
  Speaker 2: I was just like, Okay, well, he just confused because
• 29:37
  Speaker 2: the game is so messed up right now that he
• 29:39
  Speaker 2: just doesn't even know who a hip hop journalist really is.
• 29:43
  Speaker 2: But I also got a whole musician's feet to the
• 29:46
  Speaker 2: fire on this as a person who's gone through this
• 29:48
  Speaker 2: the past few years, where a lot of musicians, I
• 29:52
  Speaker 2: can't say a lot. I'll take that back. Some musicians
• 29:56
  Speaker 2: expect us to be free publicists and they don't want
• 30:00
  Speaker 2: any sort of critical discourse at all. You know, they
• 30:03
  Speaker 2: just expect us to be happy that we're sitting across
• 30:07
  Speaker 2: from them at some swanky hotel and soho, and that
• 30:11
  Speaker 2: we're just supposed to ask easy questions. And they don't
• 30:14
  Speaker 2: want to have any sort of honest discourse anything that
• 30:18
  Speaker 2: sort of reveals anything about themselves because they don't.
• 30:23
  Speaker 3: They just don't.
• 30:24
  Speaker 2: They want to keep a lot of things secret, and
• 30:27
  Speaker 2: so that's why they talk to their friends, you know.
• 30:29
  Speaker 2: That's why Kendrick talked to Sissor that you know, they're
• 30:32
  Speaker 2: they're gonna it's going to be an easy conversation with
• 30:35
  Speaker 2: somebody that they know, and they don't want to have
• 30:38
  Speaker 2: a serious, honest, thoughtful conversation with.
• 30:41
  Speaker 3: Somebody they don't know who maybe they respect.
• 30:44
  Speaker 2: So I got a whole musicians, you know, the whole
• 30:47
  Speaker 2: the relationship right now between musicians and writers. I feel
• 30:51
  Speaker 2: like it's a an all time low because no matter
• 30:54
  Speaker 2: how positive you may be, within like let's just say
• 30:57
  Speaker 2: a thousand words. If you're critical in even one part
• 31:00
  Speaker 2: of it, they're throwing the whole thing away and they're
• 31:03
  Speaker 2: calling it a bad review or whatever. So, you know,
• 31:07
  Speaker 2: we have a lot of a lot of musicians who
• 31:09
  Speaker 2: are afraid of honesty and they just want to keep
• 31:12
  Speaker 2: the pr cycle going.
• 31:15
  Speaker 4: That's one of the things I liked about your book,
• 31:18
  Speaker 4: you know, because that's why we are here people, right,
• 31:23
  Speaker 4: but that but all of this relates. But it's one
• 31:26
  Speaker 4: of the things I liked about your book because I
• 31:28
  Speaker 4: never really realized, you know, states is how it came out.
• 31:32
  Speaker 1: I was like, oh, they take issue with certain things.
• 31:36
  Speaker 4: I didn't realize they've always pointed out those things throughout
• 31:39
  Speaker 4: their history, and you didn't necessarily just say this is
• 31:43
  Speaker 4: my group. I sided with them, you know whatever, with
• 31:48
  Speaker 4: the other side you decide to point out a couple
• 31:51
  Speaker 4: of things where it's like, I love them, but here
• 31:54
  Speaker 4: they're doing a little finger pointing, and they had done
• 31:57
  Speaker 4: this with me myself and I So I really enjoyed
• 32:01
  Speaker 4: that part because you know, as a hip hop aad,
• 32:03
  Speaker 4: I'm already on the edge reading like, okay, he called
• 32:07
  Speaker 4: them out, Okay, cool, cool, Because I was thinking it,
• 32:11
  Speaker 4: you know what I'm saying. But to read it as
• 32:13
  Speaker 4: I'm thinking, it's like cool. He again, as a journalist,
• 32:17
  Speaker 4: he's paying attention to every single detail of the conversation.
• 32:22
  Speaker 1: And it's not necessarily as a critic, but as.
• 32:25
  Speaker 4: A fan of the group to to, you know, to
• 32:28
  Speaker 4: point out the things that some may see as flaws.
• 32:33
  Speaker 4: But I've got a couple more questions. But people love
• 32:38
  Speaker 4: Dayla Soul. Obviously when the music hits streaming services, it
• 32:42
  Speaker 4: was like Dayla Soul day it was just really dope
• 32:45
  Speaker 4: to see. Like, I still noticed many people love Daylight.
• 32:49
  Speaker 4: What do you think it is about day Lin Soul
• 32:52
  Speaker 4: versus some of that peers who some may argue are
• 32:55
  Speaker 4: more revered. What is it about day or Soul that
• 32:58
  Speaker 4: people love?
• 33:00
  Speaker 2: I feel like it's just people love them as people,
• 33:03
  Speaker 2: you know what I mean. I think there's something to
• 33:05
  Speaker 2: be said about your name not being dirty in the streets,
• 33:08
  Speaker 2: you know, Like it's just weird. It's just weird, sort
• 33:12
  Speaker 2: of like cosmic thing. I don't even know what to
• 33:15
  Speaker 2: call it, but it's like you talk to I talked
• 33:17
  Speaker 2: to a lot of different people and from a lot
• 33:20
  Speaker 2: of different communities for this book, even if they didn't
• 33:22
  Speaker 2: land in the book. I just talked to a lot
• 33:24
  Speaker 2: of people about Daylight Soul and folks who knew them,
• 33:28
  Speaker 2: like their longtime publicists and etcetera, etcetera, and all of
• 33:32
  Speaker 2: them were saying, like, look, nobody's perfect, but Pass and
• 33:36
  Speaker 2: Macio and Dave are just really good dudes. They're just
• 33:40
  Speaker 2: really nice. They'll give you the time of day, you know.
• 33:44
  Speaker 3: They they they.
• 33:46
  Speaker 2: Don't stand for anything. You know, they're not going to
• 33:49
  Speaker 2: stand for any foolishness. But if you run up on
• 33:51
  Speaker 2: them and just be like, yo, I'm a huge fan,
• 33:53
  Speaker 2: they'll give you time. So I think there's something to
• 33:55
  Speaker 2: be said about that, man. But also like I feel
• 33:58
  Speaker 2: like it's the that comes from the music. It's the joy,
• 34:02
  Speaker 2: it's the honesty, it's the creative ingenuity. Because the thing
• 34:06
  Speaker 2: I appreciate about day Live is like, no album sounds
• 34:09
  Speaker 2: the same. You know, three Feet High Rising sounds nothing
• 34:12
  Speaker 2: like Dayla Soula's Dead, it sounds nothing like Balloon Mind, State,
• 34:16
  Speaker 2: Stakes is High, et cetera. So I think there's something
• 34:19
  Speaker 2: to be said about like, Yo, if you got a
• 34:22
  Speaker 2: crazy idea, you just got to go forward with it
• 34:24
  Speaker 2: and just and just see it all the way through.
• 34:26
  Speaker 2: Because if the idea is in your head, and I
• 34:29
  Speaker 2: tell people this like near and far, like I tell
• 34:31
  Speaker 2: loved ones this, I tell students this everything. If the
• 34:35
  Speaker 2: idea is on your head, you owe it to yourself
• 34:37
  Speaker 2: to see it through to the end. Like if you
• 34:40
  Speaker 2: see it through to the end and it doesn't work,
• 34:42
  Speaker 2: then deleted. But don't talk yourself out of something that
• 34:45
  Speaker 2: may be dope. And the thing I appreciate about Daylight
• 34:47
  Speaker 2: is like you know, they to me at least, it
• 34:49
  Speaker 2: seems like they threw everything against the wall and most
• 34:52
  Speaker 2: of it's stuck.
• 34:54
  Speaker 3: And the fact that.
• 34:56
  Speaker 2: You know, in twenty twenty three, when this music comes
• 34:59
  Speaker 2: back out fight at being over thirty years old, it
• 35:02
  Speaker 2: still holds up because even if you don't love the music,
• 35:06
  Speaker 2: you can still appreciate the joy and the sense of
• 35:10
  Speaker 2: like an absurdity that comes from some of it. Because
• 35:13
  Speaker 2: I think, I think they hit they hit a certain
• 35:18
  Speaker 2: part of your spirit because the world in and of
• 35:21
  Speaker 2: itself is incredibly serious, and Lord knows it's really serious
• 35:25
  Speaker 2: right now. They provide an escape in a way that
• 35:29
  Speaker 2: I think resonates with like thousands and millions of people.
• 35:35
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I agree, it's just it's just dope to even
• 35:38
  Speaker 4: see this, to see so many people interested in learning
• 35:41
  Speaker 4: more about the group through your words in your book
• 35:45
  Speaker 4: and your experience.
• 35:48
  Speaker 1: I have few hip.
• 35:49
  Speaker 4: Hop questions for you, you know, so we can get
• 35:51
  Speaker 4: in that bag real quick because you are hip hop ed.
• 35:55
  Speaker 4: One related to or a two part question related to
• 36:01
  Speaker 4: Dayla Soul. Did you ever want a native tongue compilation?
• 36:08
  Speaker 4: And do you have any theories on why that didn't happen?
• 36:13
  Speaker 4: But also they are not too long ago. People talked
• 36:17
  Speaker 4: about how the Locks been together so long, what a
• 36:20
  Speaker 4: group and they didn't break up, but neither did day
• 36:23
  Speaker 4: Lock and they predate the Locks. But do you think
• 36:26
  Speaker 4: there was ever room for solos for Dave or or pause? Like,
• 36:32
  Speaker 4: you know, what do you think about that? With the
• 36:33
  Speaker 4: native tongue situation? And then you know loop itself.
• 36:38
  Speaker 2: First of all, I really wanted the native tongues compilation.
• 36:42
  Speaker 3: I really, oh man.
• 36:44
  Speaker 2: Like when they were together in that Buddy video and
• 36:47
  Speaker 2: I was like, oh please, Like I just wanted to
• 36:49
  Speaker 2: hear how it was gonna sound with like maybe it's
• 36:52
  Speaker 2: pause and Mike G. Maybe it's like Queen Latif and
• 36:55
  Speaker 2: Money on the track Queen Latif and Dave on the track,
• 36:57
  Speaker 2: like I wanted to hear how that would sound with
• 37:00
  Speaker 2: like Prince Paul and like you know, Pete Rock or whoever,
• 37:04
  Speaker 2: whoever your premiere.
• 37:05
  Speaker 3: I don't know.
• 37:06
  Speaker 2: I wanted to hear that. But the fact that it
• 37:08
  Speaker 2: never happened was such a bummer to me.
• 37:11
  Speaker 3: I was like, damn.
• 37:13
  Speaker 2: As far as theories like, I feel like, to me,
• 37:17
  Speaker 2: it was it was a sort of air there. The
• 37:20
  Speaker 2: fact that we never got a compilation I think was
• 37:22
  Speaker 2: also because their their schedules didn't align, you know, and
• 37:26
  Speaker 2: I think even I think Mike Jeeven told me that,
• 37:28
  Speaker 2: but he was just like, uh, you know, if daylight
• 37:32
  Speaker 2: was in town, tribe was on the road, or if
• 37:34
  Speaker 2: tribe was in town, they were on the road, and
• 37:37
  Speaker 2: you know, so it just kind of they were all
• 37:39
  Speaker 2: passing ships in the night, you know, and then queenland
• 37:41
  Speaker 2: Kifa goes and starts acting. So they were just kind
• 37:45
  Speaker 2: of one of those things. I don't think it was no.
• 37:48
  Speaker 2: Obviously they didn't tell me because you know, full disclosure,
• 37:50
  Speaker 2: they sold didn't talk to me for the book. But
• 37:54
  Speaker 2: my sense that I get from talking to people wasn't
• 37:57
  Speaker 2: that they just didn't want to do it. It was
• 38:00
  Speaker 2: just like we don't have time to do it because
• 38:04
  Speaker 2: you know, and that's why the only thing we get
• 38:07
  Speaker 2: that's even close to a compilation is Buddy. I think
• 38:10
  Speaker 2: that might be that might be the only made a
• 38:12
  Speaker 2: tongue song.
• 38:13
  Speaker 3: Actually, it's just.
• 38:14
  Speaker 4: The craziest tease ever because it works, you know what
• 38:20
  Speaker 4: I'm saying, Like all of them together, that track vibing
• 38:24
  Speaker 4: even without the video.
• 38:26
  Speaker 1: Crazy.
• 38:27
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, now part of my memory there was another
• 38:31
  Speaker 2: part of your question.
• 38:32
  Speaker 4: Yeah, just about the group's lungevity together. But more importantly, typically,
• 38:38
  Speaker 4: even if it's not a breakup, you get some kind
• 38:40
  Speaker 4: of solo outing.
• 38:41
  Speaker 3: Yes members, yes, yes, yes, So.
• 38:46
  Speaker 2: I've always wondered how a past solo album, how Dave
• 38:49
  Speaker 2: solo album would work.
• 38:52
  Speaker 3: But yeah, I guess I don't know.
• 38:53
  Speaker 2: I guess they just weren't interested in it, and I
• 38:55
  Speaker 2: think they were kind of they were messing around with
• 38:59
  Speaker 2: the idea of doing some solo work. But yeah, I
• 39:02
  Speaker 2: kind of wonder because I feel like when when they
• 39:04
  Speaker 2: were popular, when they were at their height, and then
• 39:09
  Speaker 2: even in the nineties, like you would get that a lot.
• 39:11
  Speaker 2: You would get like, you know, the most prominent, the
• 39:14
  Speaker 2: biggest example was Wu Tang clan where they're the clan.
• 39:17
  Speaker 2: But then here's just a record his ghosts, here's Ray
• 39:20
  Speaker 2: He's mad. So you know, I always wanted to hear
• 39:24
  Speaker 2: that from people, like what would they you know, before
• 39:28
  Speaker 2: they did it, you know, before Outcast did it. You know,
• 39:30
  Speaker 2: it was an Outcast album, but it was a big
• 39:32
  Speaker 2: Boy solo and Dre solo. I wondered how like a
• 39:36
  Speaker 2: Pat solo record would sound, how a Dave solo record.
• 39:40
  Speaker 2: But I don't know, I guess you know, it's just
• 39:42
  Speaker 2: like how do you break up Peanut Butter and Jelly? Right, Like,
• 39:45
  Speaker 2: you know, it's worked for everybody because we got five
• 39:51
  Speaker 2: solos and Q two Guru.
• 39:54
  Speaker 4: Solos, the Sticky Fingers, that Black Trash. I keep telling
• 39:59
  Speaker 4: y'all one of the greatest concept albums ever because it
• 40:04
  Speaker 4: takes a lot of concentration to hold to that concept
• 40:08
  Speaker 4: from beginning to end, skits and all that. But whatever,
• 40:11
  Speaker 4: that's my soul box. But now I'm with you, I
• 40:15
  Speaker 4: think in a lot of ways, and again credit to
• 40:21
  Speaker 4: your book and your observations. And maybe you don't even
• 40:24
  Speaker 4: though you were doing this, but I looked at I
• 40:27
  Speaker 4: thought about the solos, and then I thought about the
• 40:30
  Speaker 4: albums in their desiography, where you know, Dave took the
• 40:34
  Speaker 4: lead on what it would sound like and you know
• 40:37
  Speaker 4: and pause, and I think it resulted in two very
• 40:41
  Speaker 4: dope albums that were different but still felt like the group.
• 40:45
  Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying.
• 40:46
  Speaker 4: So and for those who wonder, and I'm thinking of
• 40:50
  Speaker 4: bloom on State and maybe Stakes is High, I think
• 40:55
  Speaker 4: I forget add in my head to it another day
• 41:00
  Speaker 4: hip hop question, were you your.
• 41:03
  Speaker 1: Personal favorite album from Daylight and in.
• 41:07
  Speaker 2: Deccer, Oh, brother Steak's is High it is. I'm sorry,
• 41:11
  Speaker 2: I couldn't even think about that one like that one
• 41:13
  Speaker 2: just oh, steaks is High easily rights. And it's because
• 41:16
  Speaker 2: I felt like I'm admittedly it's nostalgia because when steaks
• 41:22
  Speaker 2: Is High it came out.
• 41:23
  Speaker 3: I was fifteen.
• 41:25
  Speaker 2: I remember it was the summer of nineteen ninety six,
• 41:27
  Speaker 2: and if you think about the summer of nineteen ninety six,
• 41:29
  Speaker 2: a lot of great records came out.
• 41:31
  Speaker 3: I think, I.
• 41:32
  Speaker 2: Think, I want to say there came out in June
• 41:34
  Speaker 2: as well, But the summer of ninety six, you get
• 41:38
  Speaker 2: Steak's Is High, you get nas it was written, which
• 41:41
  Speaker 2: is a good record. I know a lot of people
• 41:42
  Speaker 2: hate because it wasn't illmatic, but it was written was dope.
• 41:46
  Speaker 2: I think it's better, but that's me, so I can't
• 41:49
  Speaker 2: disagree with you. I cannot disagree. We can't say that
• 41:52
  Speaker 2: too loud though, but right, right, right, you gotta go
• 41:56
  Speaker 2: to Queens and say that. But like, so it was written.
• 41:59
  Speaker 2: You also got ghost Face and Iron Man comes out. Yeah,
• 42:03
  Speaker 2: you know, so you got all these great records. So
• 42:05
  Speaker 2: I just remember that time, like getting all these cassettes
• 42:07
  Speaker 2: and CDs, and I remember the It's a easy video
• 42:12
  Speaker 2: and just being like, yo, I want to go to
• 42:13
  Speaker 2: this school, like Dave is there and Lords of the
• 42:16
  Speaker 2: Underground having a food fight and you got Pharaoh manchon there.
• 42:21
  Speaker 2: So yeah, no stakes and tide easily. Absolutely, Yeah, how
• 42:25
  Speaker 2: about yours see?
• 42:27
  Speaker 4: Yeah, y'all journalist, y'all stay every time I interviewed, y'all,
• 42:30
  Speaker 4: y'all start asking me questions.
• 42:33
  Speaker 3: It's your show man, You're not just seeing it up. Brother.
• 42:36
  Speaker 4: I just have a very hard time committing sometimes, especially
• 42:40
  Speaker 4: when you have a wealth of dope music.
• 42:42
  Speaker 1: But haven't listened to the desography recently.
• 42:45
  Speaker 4: Because I'm gonna do a ranking of the albums and
• 42:47
  Speaker 4: another video I might have to go with Three Feet
• 42:51
  Speaker 4: High and Rhydan because I was a young kid and
• 42:56
  Speaker 4: the skits and the colors and hearing potholes in my lawn,
• 43:01
  Speaker 4: me myself and I it was. It just related to
• 43:03
  Speaker 4: me on an influential level that when I hear it.
• 43:09
  Speaker 4: Of course, there's some other albums where the bars are
• 43:11
  Speaker 4: better to beat some more boom back, but that one
• 43:15
  Speaker 4: has a special place in my heart. So again, uh,
• 43:20
  Speaker 4: you know hearing hearing that back then and even listening
• 43:23
  Speaker 4: to it now, I would probably feel comfortable saying their
• 43:26
  Speaker 4: debut will probably always be my favorite.
• 43:29
  Speaker 3: Okay, that's not the wrong answer.
• 43:32
  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, you know, you know, but you know I
• 43:34
  Speaker 4: play in this hip hop space and they'd be like, yo,
• 43:35
  Speaker 4: so you don't like rock cocaine?
• 43:38
  Speaker 1: Like, no, relax?
• 43:39
  Speaker 4: Okay, of course, as long as are though, yeah, oh
• 43:43
  Speaker 4: my gosh, listening today, like yeah, I don't want to
• 43:46
  Speaker 4: hear enough conversation about this one.
• 43:47
  Speaker 1: This one's crazy. All right, here's another word for you.
• 43:52
  Speaker 4: And obviously this is your personal your personal top five
• 43:56
  Speaker 4: greatest hip hop groups of.
• 43:57
  Speaker 2: All time on my personal top five, okay, in ranking
• 44:02
  Speaker 2: order or just off the top of my head.
• 44:03
  Speaker 1: It doesn't have to be okay unless you want it
• 44:07
  Speaker 1: to be.
• 44:07
  Speaker 3: Oh no, no, I ain't gonna know. I ain't backing
• 44:09
  Speaker 3: myself into that corner.
• 44:10
  Speaker 2: Brother, all right, right, I'm gonna say public enemy absolutely
• 44:16
  Speaker 2: like because I remember, I remember eight years ago, I
• 44:20
  Speaker 2: randomly met Hank Shockley and I fanned out like I
• 44:23
  Speaker 2: never fan out. Anybody who knows me knows I can
• 44:25
  Speaker 2: walk past somebody. But oh that was such and such
• 44:27
  Speaker 2: a that's cool, all right, But when I met Hank Shockley,
• 44:30
  Speaker 2: I was like, yo, what like I have so many questions?
• 44:35
  Speaker 2: So anyway, public enemy they la soul a tribe called
• 44:40
  Speaker 2: quest because I feel like, you know, the public knows
• 44:43
  Speaker 2: me now. It is like jazz guy, you know, jazz
• 44:46
  Speaker 2: head cat, you know jazz writer. They introduced me to
• 44:50
  Speaker 2: like jazz that was kind of off the beaten path. Well,
• 44:56
  Speaker 2: I say, they but really cute tip if I'm being real,
• 44:59
  Speaker 2: Q tip and so I got two more we'll get
• 45:04
  Speaker 2: down productions. People don't talk about the The Entertainment Record enough.
• 45:10
  Speaker 2: That was a record, like I remember I remember playing that.
• 45:13
  Speaker 2: Me and my cousin I were playing that on cassette
• 45:15
  Speaker 2: and we were like, yo, this record goes hard. You
• 45:16
  Speaker 2: know you listen to a song like the Homeless and
• 45:19
  Speaker 2: you know, wow joints so that you know the rules.
• 45:24
  Speaker 2: And I'm gonna say the roots roots, yeah, because I remember,
• 45:28
  Speaker 2: like you know, being in the DC area.
• 45:30
  Speaker 3: I would always go to their shows.
• 45:32
  Speaker 2: I was always at the nine thirty club lined up
• 45:34
  Speaker 2: to get tickets. This is kids, This was before Ticketmaster online, y'all.
• 45:38
  Speaker 2: You had to like go to the box office and
• 45:42
  Speaker 2: stand outside and see the areas and get a ticket.
• 45:46
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 45:47
  Speaker 2: So yeah, the roots, man, I think I'm around it out.
• 45:49
  Speaker 1: But that's that's a that's a dope list man.
• 45:52
  Speaker 4: And I wanted to ask personal famous because you know,
• 45:56
  Speaker 4: once you start getting to the definitive lists and the
• 45:58
  Speaker 4: algorithms start going crazy, and Marcus J. Moore says, you know,
• 46:03
  Speaker 4: he leaves out who subbed? Now, who did he subbed?
• 46:07
  Speaker 3: Right?
• 46:07
  Speaker 2: And Jadakiss is atting me like, yo, man, you ain't
• 46:10
  Speaker 2: talking about.
• 46:10
  Speaker 3: The locks man right right?
• 46:13
  Speaker 4: Come on, man, Before you know I asked you this
• 46:16
  Speaker 4: final question. I just want to shout out the design
• 46:21
  Speaker 4: of this book, the artwork, because again as a person
• 46:25
  Speaker 4: who loves three three feet high and rising and daylight
• 46:29
  Speaker 4: and even what they've been doing to promote their music
• 46:32
  Speaker 4: being on vinyl and all that stuff. The aesthetic is
• 46:35
  Speaker 4: just so pleasing. I thought it was a dope idea
• 46:38
  Speaker 4: that had this book. So talk a little bit about,
• 46:42
  Speaker 4: you know, the design of the book, the idea behind it.
• 46:45
  Speaker 1: Obviously shout out who did the work?
• 46:48
  Speaker 2: Yeah, brother, So okay, I'm glad I get to shut
• 46:52
  Speaker 2: this man out. This cover was designed by the same
• 46:55
  Speaker 2: person who designed the Three Feet High and Rising album
• 46:58
  Speaker 2: cover MM was designed by Toby Mott.
• 47:02
  Speaker 3: Toby my So. I taught that Toby really early on
• 47:05
  Speaker 3: in the.
• 47:06
  Speaker 2: In the process of like at first he was going
• 47:08
  Speaker 2: to be in the book, and I think I still
• 47:11
  Speaker 2: reference some stuff that he said, Like I interviewed him
• 47:13
  Speaker 2: for the book, so I was already in touch with him,
• 47:15
  Speaker 2: and I got to give credit the HarperCollins Day Street,
• 47:19
  Speaker 2: Day Street in particular, a subsidiary of HarperCollins who put
• 47:23
  Speaker 2: out this book.
• 47:24
  Speaker 3: My editor Stuart Roberts hit.
• 47:27
  Speaker 2: Me one day and was just like, hey, what do
• 47:29
  Speaker 2: you think about having Toby designed the book cover? At
• 47:32
  Speaker 2: least let's ask him, and Toby, to his credit, said yes.
• 47:37
  Speaker 2: And the middle image, the image that we have in
• 47:40
  Speaker 2: the middle, we licensed. So that was me going through
• 47:45
  Speaker 2: different options and saying no, this one fits the best.
• 47:49
  Speaker 2: And the halo around Dave's head was my idea. That
• 47:53
  Speaker 2: was me being like, no, I want to shout Dave out,
• 47:56
  Speaker 2: but I also don't want to ignore you know, elephant
• 48:00
  Speaker 2: in the room right right. Yeah, yeah, so no, that
• 48:03
  Speaker 2: was Toby. It was a combination, but it was more
• 48:05
  Speaker 2: so Toby that did the design.
• 48:08
  Speaker 4: That's dope because that's one of the things I noticed
• 48:10
  Speaker 4: where I like to touch the halo because, like you said,
• 48:14
  Speaker 4: it's the elephant in the room while they're saying the
• 48:17
  Speaker 4: same playful almost uh as far as the aesthetic and
• 48:22
  Speaker 4: the way we kind of grown the love day soul.
• 48:25
  Speaker 4: So when I see that, I don't get set. I'm kunhappy,
• 48:29
  Speaker 4: like he's still here. You know, his legacy lives on
• 48:32
  Speaker 4: and even though we're acknowledging you know what's basically happened
• 48:38
  Speaker 4: in recent years. So yeah, it's really yeah, you know,
• 48:43
  Speaker 4: truth be told, he was my favorite out the group
• 48:45
  Speaker 4: as far as like who I can relate to rhymen wise.
• 48:51
  Speaker 4: So you know this this book is out. You know
• 48:53
  Speaker 4: what I'm saying, you're getting you know, you're getting a
• 48:55
  Speaker 4: lot of attention for it. You know what you are
• 48:58
  Speaker 4: a writer, and you you deem thinking because that's what
• 49:01
  Speaker 4: writers are. What's next for you? Like is it another
• 49:06
  Speaker 4: hip hop book? And more importantly, because you touched on it,
• 49:12
  Speaker 4: I also wanted to shout out or at least get
• 49:15
  Speaker 4: your perspective on writers today and going forward, specifically black writers.
• 49:21
  Speaker 3: Mm hmm, okay, so I will.
• 49:23
  Speaker 2: I'll answer the the what's next question first, and shoot,
• 49:29
  Speaker 2: you're about to get some breaking news.
• 49:31
  Speaker 3: Brother, I haven't wrote it.
• 49:32
  Speaker 2: Down there you go, hey, man, you know recorded whatever, screenshot,
• 49:37
  Speaker 2: screen record, but so no, I'm already working on my
• 49:41
  Speaker 2: next book.
• 49:41
  Speaker 3: Man.
• 49:42
  Speaker 2: It's a it's a personal book. It's about grief and music.
• 49:47
  Speaker 2: So what I'm doing and I also referenced this in
• 49:51
  Speaker 2: the book. The epilogue also is a shout out to
• 49:55
  Speaker 2: my mother, who passed away while I was finishing the book.
• 50:00
  Speaker 2: She passed away last August August twenty second, twenty twenty three,
• 50:05
  Speaker 2: and I noticed in the wake of that, I would
• 50:08
  Speaker 2: play certain songs and I would still like see her.
• 50:12
  Speaker 2: You know, it's weird, not to sound too weird, but
• 50:15
  Speaker 2: it's like I'd play songs like Stevie Wonder's Ordinary Pain
• 50:18
  Speaker 2: and just remember how she would go crazy for that song,
• 50:21
  Speaker 2: or I'd play James Blake's retrograde and just remember how
• 50:25
  Speaker 2: like when she picked me up from the train station,
• 50:27
  Speaker 2: how she would just have it like at some crazy volume,
• 50:30
  Speaker 2: just playing it. So what I'm doing, I'm writing a
• 50:36
  Speaker 2: book about me and my mom's relationship through music. But
• 50:39
  Speaker 2: it's written from the perspective of me writing a letter
• 50:42
  Speaker 2: to her wherever she is now, pretty much thanking her,
• 50:46
  Speaker 2: reminding myself of our memories through music. And it goes
• 50:50
  Speaker 2: from when I'm a kid and she's playing Stevie Wonder
• 50:54
  Speaker 2: and I'm just looking up like, Wow, Okay, Stevie's school
• 50:57
  Speaker 2: Elton John is cool. But then it also transitions to
• 51:00
  Speaker 2: when she gets older and I'm putting her on the music.
• 51:02
  Speaker 2: I'm putting her onto most steps black on both sides.
• 51:05
  Speaker 2: I'm putting her onto Bonnie Vere and James Blake, you know.
• 51:10
  Speaker 2: So that's the next book, man, and that's coming out
• 51:13
  Speaker 2: through Atria Simon and Schuster, and that's the same company
• 51:19
  Speaker 2: that put out the Kendrick mar book. So I'm going
• 51:21
  Speaker 2: back to Atria to do that book. And then there's
• 51:24
  Speaker 2: another book after that that I'm already working on that
• 51:27
  Speaker 2: I can't talk about yet, but it's it's like.
• 51:29
  Speaker 4: Okay, okay, I mean you you gave a lot more
• 51:33
  Speaker 4: than I was expecting.
• 51:33
  Speaker 1: That's why I had another question.
• 51:35
  Speaker 2: But you know, but yeah, and then black writers black
• 51:38
  Speaker 2: I feel like, Look, I feel like every so often,
• 51:44
  Speaker 2: you know, when when a music publication either shuts down
• 51:48
  Speaker 2: or they lay people off, we all tend to we
• 51:51
  Speaker 2: all tend to think that this guy is falling, you know,
• 51:54
  Speaker 2: we all tend to think that, oh my god, what
• 51:56
  Speaker 2: we're gonna do next, Where we're gonna go, where we're
• 51:58
  Speaker 2: gonna write. But I always I'm on the other side,
• 52:01
  Speaker 2: and I'm like, black writers have been making a way
• 52:04
  Speaker 2: out of no way forever, you know what I'm saying.
• 52:07
  Speaker 2: That's just kind of what we do. And so I
• 52:11
  Speaker 2: don't know if it's naive or not, but I always
• 52:13
  Speaker 2: feel like good writing, great writing, good to great writing
• 52:16
  Speaker 2: will always always always stand the test of time, and
• 52:20
  Speaker 2: it will always keep your name buzzing. So I feel like,
• 52:25
  Speaker 2: as long as black writers, as long as writers in general,
• 52:28
  Speaker 2: but more so Black writers, as long as we remain curious,
• 52:31
  Speaker 2: as long as we again dare to be different, as
• 52:34
  Speaker 2: long as we remain steadfast and what we believe in
• 52:37
  Speaker 2: and what we want to write about. We're going to
• 52:39
  Speaker 2: be just fine because we always have been, you know.
• 52:42
  Speaker 2: And that's not to say that we have to rely
• 52:44
  Speaker 2: upon any sort of publication that come save us.
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  Speaker 3: We don't need.
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  Speaker 2: Saving, you know, we're we popping regardless. So the black
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  Speaker 2: writers that I know, we're going to be good. We're fine,
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  Speaker 2: and I feel like the future is bright because they
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  Speaker 2: are some writing as people and they're just going to
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  Speaker 2: keep writing and therefore their excuse me, their work is just.
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  Speaker 3: Going to keep on keeping on forever and ever.
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  Speaker 4: M hmm. The book is High End Rising, a book
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  Speaker 4: about day lit soul. The author it's Marcus J. Moore Brother.
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  Speaker 4: I appreciate you spending the time with us on this
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  Speaker 4: podcast talking about yourself, talking about state of hip hop,
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  Speaker 4: daylight soul and everything else.
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  Speaker 3: Man.
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  Speaker 4: And obviously I want people to visit your website, which
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  Speaker 4: is still your website, I hope, so, Marcusjmore dot Media.
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  Speaker 3: That's it.
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  Speaker 4: There you go, which the links will be in description
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  Speaker 4: of his episode. You can check out his work what
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  Speaker 4: he's up to. Obviously, you can go out and get
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  Speaker 4: the book, and I employ you go out and get
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  Speaker 4: the book, go read it for yourself.
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  Speaker 1: It's a great book.
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  Speaker 4: And also, if people want to follow you online, you
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  Speaker 4: know social media, where could they keep up with you?
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  Speaker 2: The best place right now is Instagram and my handle
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  Speaker 2: there is underscore Marcus J.
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  Speaker 3: Moore. And then I'm kind kind of sorder on Twitter.
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  Speaker 2: Been there it's at markets jmore straight up no underscore.
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  Speaker 2: So those are the two best places to find me
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  Speaker 2: right now.
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  Speaker 4: Sounds good man. Thanks again for coming through spending some
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  Speaker 4: time with us. What those of you watching If you
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  Speaker 4: like the content a gang, subscribe like, share with people
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  Speaker 4: you know, and more importantly because Marcus always second through
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  Speaker 4: out here. But y'all know my slogan. We are not critics,
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  Speaker 4: We are fans.
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  Speaker 1: Face