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Cold War In Philly Fliers Vs Russia 1976 From Producer And Flier Fan Joe Amodei · Arroe Collins Like It's Live

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Speaker 1: Enjoy your exploration. Joe, how are you doing today? I'm
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Speaker 1: doing grip about you doing fantastic. Always excited to share
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Speaker 1: a conversation with you. And the reason why is because
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Speaker 1: you totally grasp the idea of taking history and making
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Speaker 1: it feel like it's in the present place of right now.
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Speaker 1: Because this is something, this Cold War hockey game is
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Speaker 1: something that I swear to God, people either don't know
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Speaker 1: about or they forgot about. And you're gonna be rocking
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Speaker 1: their world because all of a sudden, they're gonna be
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Speaker 1: going hockey and soccer. Oh, I'm going back to hockey,
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Speaker 1: you know what I mean. I mean, that's what this
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Speaker 1: country is all about. That was our soccer before we
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Speaker 1: up with everybody else doing something else. Hockey and this
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Speaker 1: game was that moment I agree.
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Speaker 2: You were exactly right. It was that moment, and it
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Speaker 2: was it was so much fun making the film.
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Speaker 1: What Yeah, I was going to ask you about that,
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Speaker 1: because I mean, you're talking about emotion here. This isn't
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Speaker 1: just going in there and getting a bunch of dang
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Speaker 1: bee role. You had to mess around with people's emotions
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Speaker 1: and opinions and and still even today what they felt
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Speaker 1: should have happened.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, it's that was the basis of the film.
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Speaker 2: I was. I was a young young guy watching that
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Speaker 2: movie in the living room of my parents' house with
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Speaker 2: my mom and dad and brothers and sisters, and we
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Speaker 2: we were huge Flyers fans. They had just won two
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Speaker 2: Stanley Cups and we did not like the Russians. Nobody
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Speaker 2: liked the Russians at that point. Cold War was still
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Speaker 2: pretty much in vain, and so we had to win
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Speaker 2: this game. And it was a very emotional moment when
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Speaker 2: the Flyers took to the ice and beat the Russians
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Speaker 2: in the way that they in the way that they
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Speaker 2: beat them. I remembered that game as much as I
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Speaker 2: remember winning this to the two Stanley Cups and attending
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Speaker 2: the parades, and I wanted to take that inspiration and
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Speaker 2: emotion that I felt that and all of Philadelphia felt
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Speaker 2: and try to capture that and put it into this film.
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Speaker 2: And I think I did it.
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Speaker 1: And of all years and all places, nineteen seventy six,
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Speaker 1: this is why my dad. I love my Dada pieces
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Speaker 1: first of all, but he always had that conspiracy side
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Speaker 1: to him, and I think it was because he loved
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Speaker 1: watching professional wrestling, he said, nineteen seventy six. There Clarence, Well,
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Speaker 1: Clarence was look at, look what's going on here. It's
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Speaker 1: Russia against the United States. Nineteen seventy six, Philadelphia. You
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Speaker 1: better look deeper into this story. And I'm going you
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Speaker 1: need to stop it, dude. Come on, this is a
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Speaker 1: real authentic game. They don't pre write these stories.
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Speaker 2: But there was. Your dad was right to a certain extent,
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Speaker 2: because there was a lot going on behind the scenes. Yea.
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Speaker 2: Ed Snyder, the owner of the Philadelphia Flyers, was instrumental
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Speaker 2: in helping Jews get out of Russia that couldn't leave,
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Speaker 2: and that is not very well documented. And that's you know,
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Speaker 2: were able to tell that story in the film. So
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Speaker 2: there was a political backdrop that was never spoken about
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Speaker 2: when this film was being made because of Ed's feelings
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Speaker 2: towards Russia. It put pressure onto the team that was
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Speaker 2: unlike they had anything they had ever felt before. They
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Speaker 2: had to win this game, not just for the NHL,
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Speaker 2: but for the owner who they who they absolutely loved.
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Speaker 1: But how were they able to speed up the game
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Speaker 1: the way that the Flyers did, Because I mean even today,
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Speaker 1: I thank God in Heaven that I'm not the play
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Speaker 1: by play announcer for such a game.
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Speaker 2: So the Flyers also had a coach by the name
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Speaker 2: of Fred Shiro who was a Russian hockey fanatic. He
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Speaker 2: actually went to Russia and studied the game. So he
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Speaker 2: came up with a game plan that that stymied the Russians.
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Speaker 2: They couldn't get over the blue line, and and it
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Speaker 2: frustrated to Russians, and it frustrated frustrated them to a
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Speaker 2: point that when you know, there's an incident in the
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Speaker 2: first period where one of the Flyers at van m
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Speaker 2: puts a hit on one of the Russian players. A
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Speaker 2: penalty is not called, and the Russians leave the ice,
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Speaker 2: quit the game, and they end up coming back when
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Speaker 2: they realize they're not going to be paid, But you know,
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Speaker 2: they left the ice saying that you know, they were
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Speaker 2: being you know, man handled physically by the Flyers, but
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Speaker 2: the reality is they couldn't get past the blue line
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Speaker 2: of the system that Fred had put into play totally
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Speaker 2: frustrated them and slowed down their game. So technically, you know,
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Speaker 2: the Flyers not only beat them on the scoreboard, you know,
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Speaker 2: but they beat them they beat him on the ice.
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Speaker 1: Well, well see that right there. That takes a vision
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Speaker 1: and you've got to be able to get that entire
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Speaker 1: team involved in that. Did you when you were digging
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Speaker 1: for information on this, did you get into the player's
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Speaker 1: minds as to how they had to shift their body,
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Speaker 1: because that's what hockey is. That's what I learned from
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Speaker 1: it when I played it, is that it's it's about
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Speaker 1: the physical movement of what your body is doing and
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Speaker 1: how it's got to be in harmony with the other
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Speaker 1: players on the team or you don't have any collaboration
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Speaker 1: on that ice at all.
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Speaker 2: No, one hundred percent. They had to change their system.
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Speaker 2: And not only did they have the Fires have to
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Speaker 2: change their system, they had to do it within two
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Speaker 2: days because they were playing this is middle of the right,
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Speaker 2: This isn't right in the middle of the regular season,
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Speaker 2: they had a game on Thursday night and played the
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Speaker 2: Russians on Sunday, and the game on Thursday was played
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Speaker 2: totally different than the game on Sunday. So they had
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Speaker 2: to learn the new system that Fred had imposed and
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Speaker 2: you know, expertly put it on the ice when the
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Speaker 2: Russians came, you know, came to play. So what you know,
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Speaker 2: what the Flyers normally did was totally different than than
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Speaker 2: than this trap I guess you can call it the
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Speaker 2: trap system that Fred instituted. So yeah, physically and mentally,
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Speaker 2: the Flyers had to be you know, on their on
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Speaker 2: their top. There's no fighting in this game, so you know,
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Speaker 2: there's a lot of the you know, a lot of
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Speaker 2: the physicality that the Flyers brought to their team. The
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Speaker 2: toughness they really couldn't put on display because they couldn't fight,
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Speaker 2: so they had to hold that back as well.
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Speaker 1: See, I would love to see that on a chalkboard.
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Speaker 1: I would love to see it in the journals of
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Speaker 1: every one of these players, because inside the mind of
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Speaker 1: a player, you're breaking stuff down on that film and
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Speaker 1: it's over and over and over again because it's going
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Speaker 1: to play out in front of you on the ice.
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Speaker 1: If you're not prepared for it and practice it a
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Speaker 1: thousand times, as we're told in martial arts, it's and
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Speaker 1: when it happens, you're not going to react. But they reacted.
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Speaker 1: It's almost like they've been practicing this, this entire scene
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Speaker 1: in and that.
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Speaker 2: That shows, and it shows in the film their respect
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Speaker 2: for Fred Schiro. They they knew, they knew that his
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Speaker 2: system was going to work, so they they all someone
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Speaker 2: says everybody, everybody took part in the system, with the
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Speaker 2: exception of Bob Kelly, because Bob Kelly was like a
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Speaker 2: pimball machine out on the ice. He was just everywhere.
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Speaker 2: But no, it's, uh, you know, when you and when
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Speaker 2: you watch the game, you can actually see it. You
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Speaker 2: can see the system that Fred put into play. And
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Speaker 2: then you know, two days later they were back playing
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Speaker 2: regular you know, regular games, and they had to you know,
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Speaker 2: they had to go back to playing their normal flyer
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Speaker 2: style of play.
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Speaker 1: See I I have always been inspired by a player
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Speaker 1: like Bob. And the reason why is that when they're
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Speaker 1: all over the ice like that, I always call that fishing.
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Speaker 1: People say, well, we're so and so he's fishing, and
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Speaker 1: they look at me kind of strange because he's out
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Speaker 1: there getting the attention off certain things. If he moves
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Speaker 1: in the right direction at the right time, it's going
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Speaker 1: to catch somebody off guard. And that's my opening. That's
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Speaker 1: where I can go. And I need I need those
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Speaker 1: people all over that ice in order to do that.
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Speaker 1: Am I playing the game wrong?
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Speaker 2: No, No, you're playing You're playing the game right. And
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Speaker 2: those guys that that did that, those guys that their
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Speaker 2: job was to do that, Yeah, you know made you know,
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Speaker 2: made the openings for the Bobby Clarks and the Bill
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Speaker 2: Barbers and the Reggie Leeches, you know, the star players,
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Speaker 2: the scorers, and they were integral to the winning of
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Speaker 2: the game as much as as much as the superstars.
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Speaker 2: When I decided to make the movie, I wanted to
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Speaker 2: make sure that I didn't just make a movie about,
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Speaker 2: you know, again, the Bobby Clarks and the superstars of
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Speaker 2: the Flyers. I made a vow that every single player
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Speaker 2: would be that played that game would be in this movie,
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Speaker 2: including the ones that most people have forgotten. And I
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Speaker 2: was able. I was able to do that, So that
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Speaker 2: was very important to me.
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Speaker 1: How about the dude the other day when I told
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Speaker 1: him and I was going to share a conversation with you, Joe.
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Speaker 1: He looks at me, and he is from Philadelphia. He
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Speaker 1: gave me his accent, he gave me his attitude. And
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Speaker 1: he goes, if this game would not have happened, Ronald
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Speaker 1: Reagan would not have brought peace between the US and Russia.
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Speaker 1: He says, it had to start somewhere, and it was
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Speaker 1: US defeating Russia on that ice in nineteen seventy six.
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Speaker 1: How true is.
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Speaker 2: He to that, Well, that's a biggie. Yeah, definitely without
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Speaker 2: without us winning this game, nothing else, you know, the
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Speaker 2: wall doesn't come down. That's a big statement. That's a
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Speaker 2: really good Philadelphia statement, by the way.
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Speaker 1: But yeah, it's so them though.
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Speaker 2: I'm from Philly. I'm a Philly boy, So yeah, I can,
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Speaker 2: I can. I can attest to that. You know, it's
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Speaker 2: really interesting this game. You know, we beat the Russians.
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Speaker 2: Two hundred and fifty million people watched this game, but
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Speaker 2: it's kind of forgotten. And again that's another reason I
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Speaker 2: wanted to make this film. It's overshadowed, you know, by
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Speaker 2: the by the you know, the nineteen eighty Olympics, and
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Speaker 2: and I'm there's nothing wrong with that because with with
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Speaker 2: that team you know, pulled off again to Russians in
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Speaker 2: nineteen eighty was, you know, miraculous and it should be remembered.
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Speaker 2: But we beat the same team, just about the same
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Speaker 2: team four years earlier.
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Speaker 1: Please do not move. There's more with Joe Moode coming
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Speaker 1: up next, Cold War in Philly. Oh, this is going
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Speaker 1: to rock your world. We are back with Joe mode.
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Speaker 1: How did you handle the sounds of checking when you
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Speaker 1: get hit out there on the ice as that person
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Speaker 1: that's bringing together, you know, the Cold War in Philly.
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Speaker 1: How are you able to make it when we're on
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Speaker 1: our side of the screen going, oh my god, I
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Speaker 1: mean because with that sound is everything well.
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Speaker 2: To be honest with you, that's my sound guy and
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Speaker 2: my gentleman. The gentleman who did the score for the
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Speaker 2: film as an original score. His name is Matthew Setovi.
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Speaker 2: Shout out to him. He You'll notice when you see
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Speaker 2: the film, every time there's a hit, there's a oh
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Speaker 2: yeah sound that we added yeah yeah to accent that hit.
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Speaker 2: And it was fun doing that.
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Speaker 1: Was there any type of fear on that ice? Because
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Speaker 1: you know what it's like, I mean, your imagination gets
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Speaker 1: away with you, even if you're a professional hockey player.
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Speaker 1: You're still that mind never shuts off. And I've always
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Speaker 1: wondered if if hockey players feel the fear or they
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Speaker 1: go with the flow.
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Speaker 2: So the Flyers, the Flyers felt the pressure. Yeah, But
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Speaker 2: I don't want to give away too much of the
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Speaker 2: of the film, but the day before the game, there
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Speaker 2: was a luncheon held between the Flyers and the Russian
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Speaker 2: Red Army team to try to get them to you
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Speaker 2: don't know each other, big Kumbaya moment. And when the
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Speaker 2: Flyers are being introduced and they introduced Dave Schultz, you
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Speaker 2: could see the Russian Red Army perk up and look
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Speaker 2: at Dave Schultz and with a little bit of fear
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Speaker 2: in their eyes. So the Flyers knew that these guys
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Speaker 2: were a little bit nervous, you know, when they arrived
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Speaker 2: in Philadelphia after handedly beating most of the other Nagell teams,
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Speaker 2: and I think they thought that they were going to
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Speaker 2: do the same thing to the Philadelphia Flyers, and they
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Speaker 2: were shot from the time that the first puck, you know,
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Speaker 2: at the time that the first period started, that it
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Speaker 2: wasn't going to be that way. Most of the Flyers
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Speaker 2: felt that the rush of Red Army was scared. They
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Speaker 2: were scared, and they used that, they used that against them,
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Speaker 2: But the pressure to win the game was immense, equal
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Speaker 2: to you know, a Stanley Cup game.
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Speaker 1: I'm glad you brought that up, because I don't want
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Speaker 1: viewers to go and get into this and think they're
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Speaker 1: just watching another hockey movie. This is not what this
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Speaker 1: is that I mean, there's so much that goes beyond
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Speaker 1: just the surface of that screen. And that's what I
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Speaker 1: love about you, is that you're taking us there. There
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Speaker 1: is a reason why things happen, and it happens before
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Speaker 1: the moment of execution.
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Speaker 2: Yes, and I wanted the players to be able to
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Speaker 2: tell their stories about leading up to the game, the game,
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Speaker 2: and even after the game, and you know, just turning
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Speaker 2: a camera on and let them speak turned out to
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Speaker 2: be the best thing, the best decision I ever made,
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Speaker 2: because each each one of them has their own stories,
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Speaker 2: Each one of them has their own views on you know,
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Speaker 2: the famous hit that that causes the Russian Red Army
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Speaker 2: team to leave the ice, and and and and then
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Speaker 2: they add their own flare to it. Each one has
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Speaker 2: their own personality that that they add into the interview.
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Speaker 2: And that worked out well, because there is so much
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Speaker 2: more to this game than just the game itself.
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Speaker 1: I know a lot of Carolina Hurricane fans that need
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Speaker 1: to watch this and the reason why is because they
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Speaker 1: need to know about Ed, because Ed brings something to
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Speaker 1: the game that I'm not seeing on the ice today.
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Speaker 1: And I just I just really think that this game
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Speaker 1: here will help educate even a group that just won
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Speaker 1: the Stanley Cup.
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Speaker 2: I want to get this film into the hands of
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Speaker 2: Rod Brindemore for obvious reasons. You know, when when we
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Speaker 2: love Rod Brindamore, let me tell you we you know,
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Speaker 2: we don't. We don't, you know, turn our backs on
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Speaker 2: players that that leave our team, that that were superstaries
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Speaker 2: when they played here. You know, the Flyers. You know,
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Speaker 2: we all know what happened during the playoffs. But once
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Speaker 2: the Flyers were eliminated, I'd say probably ninety percent of
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Speaker 2: Philadelphia attension towards you guys Carolina because of Rod, and
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Speaker 2: still today they love them. They love the guy. So yeah,
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Speaker 2: I would love teams to watch this film for the
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Speaker 2: for the inspiration point of it. You know, these guys
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Speaker 2: they didn't they didn't make any money. I mean, they
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Speaker 2: made some money. It was all relative to the time,
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Speaker 2: but it's a lot different today and it has been
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Speaker 2: a lot different. And I think that's why here in
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Speaker 2: Philadelphia that this team is still beloved in the way
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Speaker 2: it is as opposed to some of the more current
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Speaker 2: teams that even the team that won the Super Bowl.
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Speaker 2: It's a different it's a different kind of love. You know.
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Speaker 2: All of the all the Flyers were Canadian. It was
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Speaker 2: the last full Canadian team that that played for the NHL.
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Speaker 2: A lot of them went home during the summer to
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Speaker 2: work for summer jobs, yep, because they didn't they didn't
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Speaker 2: make the money that you know was made later on.
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Speaker 2: So that blue collar ethic matches well with the same
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Speaker 2: blue collar ethic that Philadelphia is known for.
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Speaker 1: And a lot of them went to school in Billings, Montana.
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Speaker 1: Because I was surrounded by Canadian hockey players. And I
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Speaker 1: think that's my connection to the Flyers is because if
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Speaker 1: you know, if you know, if these people even they
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Speaker 1: may not make it to a Flyers team, but I
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Speaker 1: still understood the language and the love and the passion
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Speaker 1: that the Canadians bring to that game. And and and
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Speaker 1: it's just one of those things that I saw in
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Speaker 1: the Flyers.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, they were. I asked them about that, you know,
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Speaker 2: I said, you know, you were playing for for you know,
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Speaker 2: the United States, and and they said, yeah, but we
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Speaker 2: were also playing for Canadacy. You know, we were getting
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Speaker 2: phone calls from our moms and dads saying, you know,
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Speaker 2: you got to win this game. They were getting letters
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Speaker 2: from fans in Canada. And again, the Flyers were not
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Speaker 2: very well. They were hated around the league, but for
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Speaker 2: one day they were loved. But yeah, I remember, in particular,
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Speaker 2: Joe and Jim Watson telling me about conversations they had
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Speaker 2: with their mother saying, you know, boys, you got to
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Speaker 2: win the game. The whole town's watching. Yeah. Yeah.
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Speaker 1: And back to my father once again, and this is
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Speaker 1: where he opened up my eyes about news. He says,
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Speaker 1: watch this, the Flyers are going to go from the
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Speaker 1: sports section to the front page of the paper and
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Speaker 1: then count the days on when they returned back to sports.
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Speaker 1: And that was such an eye opening experience for me
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Speaker 1: because it shows that the instant fan versus the real fan,
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Speaker 1: if you know what I mean by that, mister Flyer.
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Speaker 2: Yes, I do, I do, I do, And there's a
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Speaker 2: lot of both. The Flyers have not been very lucky
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Speaker 2: these past years. You know, they had they finally made
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Speaker 2: the playoffs this past season, and there's the hope is
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Speaker 2: now at a very high level. But these these this
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Speaker 2: group of players, these broad street bullies again, they will
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Speaker 2: never be forgotten.
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Speaker 1: Got to say that, Dave, you just brought out the
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Speaker 1: child in me when you said that.
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Speaker 2: I'm gonna with God.
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Speaker 1: He's speaking my language. He knows what I'm talking about.
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Speaker 2: It's such a great sport. It's such a great sport.
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Speaker 2: It's just it is and we live we live by it,
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Speaker 2: and it's you know, it's again, it's amazing that, you know,
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Speaker 2: you go through a run of not winning a Stanley
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Speaker 2: Cup for so many, so many years, decades, but the
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Speaker 2: fandom is still here. It's still there.
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Speaker 1: Well, Jerry Valancourt used to tell me all the time.
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Speaker 1: He'd say, you better sit down, boy, it's about losing.
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Speaker 1: And when you lose, you become a bigger fan and
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Speaker 1: then you're gonna make a lot more noise and buy
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Speaker 1: more merch. So get over there and lose like a
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Speaker 1: real team. And I'm going, Okay, that's true, that's so true.
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Speaker 1: Where can people go to find out more about the
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Speaker 1: movie and everything that you're doing because you have this
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Speaker 1: way of really putting your eye on our culture out
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Speaker 1: here and then making a story out of it.
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Speaker 2: Thank you so much. It's I really appreciate that you can.
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Speaker 2: People can go to wherever they go and rent films
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Speaker 2: to watch online. You can go to Amazon, you can
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Speaker 2: go to Apple TV, Fandango, at Home, Google Play. Wherever
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Speaker 2: you normally go to rent a film to watch or
18:18
Speaker 2: to download it to own, it is now available. And
18:22
Speaker 2: if you live in philadelphia's still playing in the theater
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Speaker 2: you see.
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Speaker 1: That's where I want to see it is up on
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Speaker 1: that screen. I really would love to hear because I
18:29
Speaker 1: want to see that puck on a screen that large.
18:31
Speaker 1: I mean, they're doing it right now with F one racing.
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Speaker 1: I want to see it with. I would love to
18:35
Speaker 1: experience this movie on a big screen.
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Speaker 2: It works, It works very well on a big screen.
18:41
Speaker 2: You know, the archival footage is archival footage. And when
18:44
Speaker 2: you're dealing with the programs that were, you know, broadcasts
18:47
Speaker 2: fifty years ago, it was it's tough. It's tough, but
18:53
Speaker 2: it's still a lot of fun. And you know, it's
18:56
Speaker 2: the difference in the game today versus fifty years years
19:00
Speaker 2: ago is obviously it's it's it's it's a totally different game.
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Speaker 2: The speed of today is is just amazing and but
19:08
Speaker 2: but it's still pretty exciting. It's still very exciting to
19:12
Speaker 2: watch those games because you never know what's going to happen.
19:15
Speaker 2: And the hits, you know, they're so fighting. Obviously there's
19:18
Speaker 2: no fighting, but the hits are ferocious and and there,
19:21
Speaker 2: and it's fun to watch. And again, you know, we're
19:24
Speaker 2: now living in a time where we hate the Russians
19:26
Speaker 2: as much as we hate or at least we hate
19:28
Speaker 2: their government as much as we did back then. So
19:32
Speaker 2: it's that feeling is has come back to us. So
19:35
Speaker 2: it's it's which is a shame to a certain extent.
19:38
Speaker 2: But and now, you know, let's face it, you know,
19:41
Speaker 2: the highest the highest scorer of all time is a Russian.
19:45
Speaker 2: So the game has changed so much. We've you know,
19:48
Speaker 2: we have Russians on our team and everybody does, and
19:51
Speaker 2: it's a it's become more of a world a worldwide
19:54
Speaker 2: you know, a worldwide game as it was back then.
19:58
Speaker 2: So this kind of yeah, so even playing you know,
20:02
Speaker 2: but even when our teams or USA teams are playing
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Speaker 2: the Russians in in any championship or any Olympics or
20:12
Speaker 2: anything like that. It's always going to be there. The
20:14
Speaker 2: feeling is always going to be there, like it was
20:17
Speaker 2: that day in January nineteen seventy six.
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Speaker 1: Wow, will you have yourself a brilliant day today?
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Speaker 2: Okay, sir, Thank you so much, sir, I really appreciate it.