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Dial Viall · The Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous Podcast

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Speaker 1: This is the Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous podcast
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Speaker 1: with on our radio. Hey guys, welcome to the Almost
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Speaker 1: Famous podcast. It's Ashley and it's been How you doing. Ah, fantastic,
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Speaker 1: just incredible really because I think you got on and
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Speaker 1: said you had an emergency at one of your restaurants.
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Speaker 1: What's going on? Just COVID's crazy. So we have a
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Speaker 1: lot of outdoor seating right now, and today was our
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Speaker 1: first day doing this. Is gonna be so born, but
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Speaker 1: it's actually I'll be quick. Monday's just like most cities,
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Speaker 1: every restaurant in town is closed, and so Ashkara, one
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Speaker 1: of my restaurants, is doing a industry brunch on Mondays
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Speaker 1: now where it opens up just for people who work
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Speaker 1: in the restaurant world so they have a place to
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Speaker 1: go and hang out and drink. And so we just
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Speaker 1: had some like logistics stuff. So I ran down there,
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Speaker 1: got back and now I'm doing my favorite thing that
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Speaker 1: I do every week, which is talked to you about
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Speaker 1: all these fools in bashel a nation. Okay, let's go
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Speaker 1: dive into bachelor headlines now, and speaking of fools or
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Speaker 1: not fools, will start with the mildest of all headlines,
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Speaker 1: it's one that Chris Harrison made this week. He said
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Speaker 1: that his son Joshua is by far the most even keeled,
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Speaker 1: the least dramatic figure that has ever been part of
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Speaker 1: a Bachelor show. If you guys don't know, his son,
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Speaker 1: Joshua has been quote helping him out while he records
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Speaker 1: the Goat episodes from home. I think there might be
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Speaker 1: more of a crew than just Joshua, but it's a
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Speaker 1: cute little thing to play along with. Yeah, they're definitely
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Speaker 1: following the COVID rules and there's I'm sure josh is
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Speaker 1: held now and again, and they figured out ways to
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Speaker 1: make the most out of the Goat seasons. Here's the
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Speaker 1: here's the real thing. I would love to talk to
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Speaker 1: josh for a second, because josh is airing on ABC
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Speaker 1: right as his colleague career is beginning. Yeah. Can you imagine,
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Speaker 1: like if you're in college and you walk in there, like, wait,
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Speaker 1: I've seen you on TV. You're like, yeah, I'm Chris
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Speaker 1: Harrison's son. Like that dude is walking on water in college. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: that's really cool, especially since the Goat episodes aren't even
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Speaker 1: done airing, so the kid is basically on ABC Primetime
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Speaker 1: and just moving into his college dorm. I was him
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Speaker 1: my college dorm just because I'm a lot worse of
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Speaker 1: a person than Josh's. Um My door would say Chris
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Speaker 1: Harrison's son, and then it would have Roses on it.
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Speaker 1: And every Monday night now that I'm on TV, I'm
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Speaker 1: having a watch party for just a meat and you
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Speaker 1: just just to meet and mingle with anybody that wants
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Speaker 1: to come in my dorm and think about the possibility.
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Speaker 1: Something tells me that you wouldn't be doing that. However,
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Speaker 1: what a fantastic idea if he wants to be a
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Speaker 1: little bit, a little bit more low key about it,
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Speaker 1: to just be like, oh hey girls, um yeah, my
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Speaker 1: dads Chris Harrison like, of course I have to watch
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Speaker 1: the show. You can come over to my dorm on
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Speaker 1: Monday nights. Come on over, say hi, I'll give you
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Speaker 1: the inside scoop. Uh huh. You want to see roses.
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Speaker 1: You want to see if my driveway really is that
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Speaker 1: wet all the time? Come on, come on, let's talk
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Speaker 1: um other headlines. It's been a bit since we've talked
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Speaker 1: about this guy. It's been too long, Tyler Cameron. He
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Speaker 1: says something that I feel like it's pretty pretty bull
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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I thought it was a little bit bizarre. Um, okay,
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Speaker 1: so here's the headline this week. Tyler said that if
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Speaker 1: he and Hannah ended her season together, that they would
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Speaker 1: currently be planning their wedding. And I'm like, wait a second, Tyler,
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Speaker 1: So if you ended up with her and just for something,
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Speaker 1: you know, like she didn't pick Jed, she picked you,
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Speaker 1: you really think you'd be planning your wedding currently? Because
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Speaker 1: I just don't believe this, because these two have become
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Speaker 1: such good friends and they spent so much time in
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Speaker 1: quarantine together that if they were going to indeed be
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Speaker 1: planning a wedding, if they ended up together at the
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Speaker 1: end of the season, then they would just be together
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Speaker 1: right now as a couple and not as friends. Right. Actually,
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Speaker 1: I could not agree more. Okay, So if you're saying
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Speaker 1: we're we have the potential of getting married, right, Like,
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Speaker 1: if you're looking at another human going like I would
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Speaker 1: marry you, I'm single, I would marry you. Would be
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Speaker 1: excited about that, like you are my person, you're my partner,
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Speaker 1: Then why talk about it, like, just do it or
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Speaker 1: at least together. If you were that certain that you'd
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Speaker 1: be planning a wedding absolutely crazy. Next timeline, ABC releases
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Speaker 1: new Bachelortte teaser with Claire Crawley. But here's the interesting part,
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Speaker 1: and I want to hear your opinion first, But no
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Speaker 1: sign of Ta your Adams in the trailer this week.
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Speaker 1: We're gonna just mesh some two headlines together here. This
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Speaker 1: week was the first week that Tasia has been spotted.
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Speaker 1: There are photos of her onset at La Quinta, So
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Speaker 1: now I guess we all know there's proof that she
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Speaker 1: is playing some sort of role in this season of
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Speaker 1: The Bachelorette. In this promo that came out on Tuesday,
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Speaker 1: it's Claire not really showing too much of her face,
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Speaker 1: a lot of like those quick body shots. She looks
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Speaker 1: stunning from what we can see, and she's toss and
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Speaker 1: roses around us every bachelorette does in her promo, and
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Speaker 1: Aretha Franklin's Respect plays in the background, which I think
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Speaker 1: is a perfect theme song for Claire season of the Bachelorette. Um.
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Speaker 1: But yeah, of course they're not gonna they're They're not
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Speaker 1: confirming that there's any sort of Bachelorette switch up in
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Speaker 1: this promo. They're just gonna keep on pretending that it's
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Speaker 1: it's a one bachelorette season. Oh, I do want to
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Speaker 1: go back and talk about where where in this world
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Speaker 1: Claire and Tyler Meat and that is with with his
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Speaker 1: best friend Matt James. And if you guys remember it
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Speaker 1: was a hot topic that we we broached a couple
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Speaker 1: of times earlier in the summer. Claire was not a
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Speaker 1: fan of Tyler's best friend and now our future bachelor,
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Speaker 1: Matt James, being on cameo before filming what would be
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Speaker 1: her season, because you know, before all of this, Matt
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Speaker 1: was supposed to be a contestant on her season. Wow,
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Speaker 1: He says that, you know, as much as he hopes
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Speaker 1: that Claire and the guy that she presumably chooses to
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Speaker 1: leave the show with have a happy, long lasting love
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Speaker 1: she as he also says, quotes. The funny thing is
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Speaker 1: Matt had a cameo, but the guy that she picked
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Speaker 1: also had a cameo, So you know it's interesting. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: I mean we've seen now Claire was obviously a little upset.
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Speaker 1: She was trying to understand what I mean. We have
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Speaker 1: to give Claire a little grace um now, because when
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Speaker 1: she said this, her world was like falling down around
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Speaker 1: her like she was announced to the Bachelor at COVID hits,
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Speaker 1: everything changes, everything stops. She probably wasn't like uh, just
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Speaker 1: super peaceful in those moments, like I'm sure there, I'm
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Speaker 1: sure there was some like anxiety at least there would
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Speaker 1: be with me. But yeah, somebody had the last laugh.
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Speaker 1: Matt James will be the next Bachelor and supposedly the
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Speaker 1: guy she picked was on cameo. Well a ha ha,
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Speaker 1: interesting how that works. Well. Speaking of bachelorettes, h Andy
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Speaker 1: Dorfman has actually agreed and we're so pumped about it.
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Speaker 1: It's been a long time coming to be our next
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Speaker 1: in depth episode. So we will be interviewing Andy um
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Speaker 1: diving into who she is now, who she was before
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Speaker 1: the show, who she was during the show. I'm super
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Speaker 1: pumped for it. Andy has never been held back and
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Speaker 1: I think this is the perfect format for all of
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Speaker 1: us to get to know her better again. I am
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Speaker 1: so excited to interview her and her her love interests
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Speaker 1: of long long ago. Nick by All will be coming
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Speaker 1: on our podcast later today to talk all about you
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Speaker 1: know the franchise today and his Goat episode, which will
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Speaker 1: be airing on ABC next Monday. Our Last Hot topic
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Speaker 1: is a big hot topic. That's because it is the
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Speaker 1: first Bachelor divorce. Chris Radone and Crystal Nielsen have gone
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Speaker 1: forward with the decision to file for divorce. As you
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Speaker 1: guys know, they decided or announced their split in February,
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Speaker 1: and they definitely left the door open for a reconciliation,
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Speaker 1: but it seems like that separation has now become a divorce.
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Speaker 1: She said on her Instagram. The past eight months have
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Speaker 1: not been easy. I've been torn between morning of life
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Speaker 1: that could have been and determined to fight for a
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Speaker 1: future that I know I deserve. She said, with respect
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Speaker 1: and support for one another. Chris and I have decided
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Speaker 1: to move forward with filing for divorce. Divorce. As you
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Speaker 1: guys probably know since you're a hardcore Bachelor fan, Chris
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Speaker 1: um Lacy and Marcus got married in a ceremony in
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Speaker 1: Bachelor in Paradise too, but they never actually filed marriage paperwork,
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Speaker 1: so they were never divorced. So that makes Crystal and
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Speaker 1: Chris's separation the first Bachelor divorce. It's unfortunate, you know,
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Speaker 1: you and I were both that wedding. Ah. I knew them,
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Speaker 1: you know, through times in Vegas at the I Heart
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Speaker 1: Music festival and and also through the podcast. This is
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Speaker 1: never a fun thing to go through for anybody. It's
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Speaker 1: even harder when it's public, and so yes, it is
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Speaker 1: really the first, but it's also a moment to show
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Speaker 1: them some love right now. Um, it's not easy, I'm
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Speaker 1: sure for either of them. And and maybe in the future,
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Speaker 1: when things have healed and time has gone on, I know,
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Speaker 1: you know for me it happens, we can maybe get
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Speaker 1: one of them on to kind of discuss just how
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Speaker 1: life has affected them and how this whole process works.
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Speaker 1: But until then, Chris and Crystal are filing for divorce,
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Speaker 1: and we should say, like Chris, we had a comment
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Speaker 1: on social media this week that she's moved on. I
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Speaker 1: think some fans think that he's alluding to her finding
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Speaker 1: somebody else and that being the reason that they're they're splitting,
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Speaker 1: but it was very vague and I wouldn't look too
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Speaker 1: into to it. Chris did not post anything on Instagram
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Speaker 1: besides that this week, and um, I also think that
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Speaker 1: we should just mentioned that, well, Ben and I are
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Speaker 1: friends with Crystal and Chris. Where those kinds of friends
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Speaker 1: that like you see each other, but I don't know
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Speaker 1: the ins and outs of what they've been going through
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Speaker 1: the past few months. So I don't really have anything
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Speaker 1: else that I want to add about the split, well,
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Speaker 1: actually change gears a bit. We do have Nick File
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Speaker 1: coming on the podcast here in just a second, but
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Speaker 1: before we take a break, I do want to kind
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Speaker 1: of go back to this last topic and ask you,
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Speaker 1: the listener we talked about all the time on here,
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Speaker 1: you hear's bring it up. I don't think we ever
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Speaker 1: get clarity, and it's always an interesting topic to dig into.
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Speaker 1: Please email us at Ben and Ashley at I heart
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Speaker 1: media dot com. The question this week is how soon
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Speaker 1: is too soon to move on? We'll take a break,
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Speaker 1: we come back. Nick Vile will be joining the almost
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Speaker 1: famous podcast yea Up next is a man himself, Yes,
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Speaker 1: the man himself, the one we will be watching, the
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Speaker 1: one we have followed, the one we have rooted for,
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Speaker 1: and the one that we are still rooting for today,
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Speaker 1: and we have the unique pleasure to have him on
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Speaker 1: the almost famous podcast right now, Nick, what's up dude,
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Speaker 1: hey buddy, And what a pleasure it truly is. Thanks Nick?
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Speaker 1: All right, Well, next week your Goat episode is airing,
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Speaker 1: and you have a really cool thing that You've been
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Speaker 1: doing um and airing over the past couple of weeks
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Speaker 1: leading up to this. It's basically a spinoff of your
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Speaker 1: viall Files podcasts and it's Patreon. Can you tell everybody
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Speaker 1: what what? What's a look out for? Yeah? I mean
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Speaker 1: I think people think spin off just because obviously I
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Speaker 1: have my podcasts of Vile Files. But I had this
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Speaker 1: idea of of recapping my episode of The Bachelor, and
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Speaker 1: that was mostly because it's actually available on HBO Max,
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Speaker 1: you know, to like it. It's streamed, and so a
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Speaker 1: lot of people were tweeting about me or messaging me
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Speaker 1: and saying, oh, I'm rewatching your season. And there are
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Speaker 1: a lot of podcasts out there that kind of go
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Speaker 1: back and recap uh old episodes, like the Office Ladies
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Speaker 1: podcast that does the Office, you know, and I thought
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Speaker 1: all that would be cool. I mean, it would to
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Speaker 1: recap my season, but I I didn't want to do
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Speaker 1: it on the vial Files is because it's just kind
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Speaker 1: of too much batchelor content constantly, and and I wanted
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Speaker 1: to have its own separate place because you know, I've
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Speaker 1: been asked to do a tell all and I'm sure
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Speaker 1: Ben's ever you know, been asked to do a tell
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Speaker 1: All and like I Tell All book, and that just
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Speaker 1: didn't seem like something I wanted to do. And more specifically,
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Speaker 1: it seemed a bit one sided in the sense that, like,
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Speaker 1: I didn't we just want to just I didn't want
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Speaker 1: to just tell my story. I thought it would be
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Speaker 1: more fun to to have some of the women involved
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Speaker 1: as I kind of recap, because I was plenty on
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Speaker 1: doing it on my own and maybe just with like
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Speaker 1: some friends, like some comedy friends and kind of and
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Speaker 1: I thought, well, I'm curious if the women would do
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Speaker 1: it if I asked, I'm and I did, and they
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Speaker 1: all seemed really excited about it, and it end up
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Speaker 1: being a lot of fun and I think in some
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Speaker 1: ways therapeutic for us all. But it was a really
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Speaker 1: interesting to just sit down with all of them. A
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Speaker 1: lot of these conversations I had with them were kind
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Speaker 1: of the first real conversations I had with them since
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Speaker 1: the season. So you know what it was like with
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Speaker 1: Raven or Cared or you know, Vanessa Um, I hadn't
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Speaker 1: like really sit down with them and and share my
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Speaker 1: point of view and then have them share their point
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Speaker 1: of views about like things that we experienced on the show,
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Speaker 1: So I thought it was a really unique situation, and
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Speaker 1: I just decided to put it on Patreon just because
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Speaker 1: you know, I didn't put on my podcast and it's
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Speaker 1: ad free. I didn't sell any ads to it, but
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Speaker 1: I did produce it on my own and and and
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Speaker 1: you know, invested a lot in it. So yeah, ended
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Speaker 1: up being a ton of fun. And uh, so far,
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Speaker 1: everyone who's been listening to it, it's really enjoyed it.
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Speaker 1: And there's definitely some behind the scenes you know, information
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Speaker 1: or tea and and it was just really just a
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Speaker 1: fun project. I wasn't really sure how it would turn
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Speaker 1: out when I first started doing it, but it really
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Speaker 1: came together as as well as I hoped. And now,
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Speaker 1: as your friend, I think, oh, I gotta listen to
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Speaker 1: the Vanessa podcast because you guys haven't stayed in touch
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Speaker 1: or anything, and I'd love to hear your interpretations of
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Speaker 1: your relationship, especially towards the end. But was there one
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Speaker 1: guess that you had on that really surprised you that
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Speaker 1: you think is a must listen for anybody out there,
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Speaker 1: like somebody who you have a great friendship chemistry with.
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Speaker 1: They were all unique and fun in their own way,
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Speaker 1: like I had, Actually Angela on is the first one
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Speaker 1: to help kind of recap night one, and for those
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Speaker 1: of you who may not remember or may remember Angela.
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Speaker 1: If you remember Angela, it's probably from Paradise, not necessarily
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Speaker 1: my season, because she went home night one and that
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Speaker 1: was a lot of fun, just because there's a specific
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Speaker 1: story in terms of how and why she got sent home,
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Speaker 1: and I kind of go to the process of what, like,
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Speaker 1: what it's like night one for the bachelor bet serette
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Speaker 1: to make their decay asians and how you kind of
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Speaker 1: worked with producers. But there was a very specific story
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Speaker 1: in terms of why I sent her home, and she
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Speaker 1: didn't know, and so I kind of shared with her
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Speaker 1: my point of view and then she asked some questions.
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Speaker 1: That was a lot of fun. Karn's was really interesting,
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Speaker 1: just because you know Karin, I think, more than anyone,
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Speaker 1: was the most reflective of her time on the show.
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Speaker 1: She was obviously a big character in my season, and
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Speaker 1: I think we've both had he It was just a
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Speaker 1: really kind of honest and fun conversation. But I think
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Speaker 1: it was the most revealing I think, especially about Karin.
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Speaker 1: I know a lot of people will listen, uh look
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Speaker 1: at Karin kind of in a different way, not necessarily
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Speaker 1: that was good or bad before, but just you you
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Speaker 1: you experienced kind of a lot of reflection from her,
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Speaker 1: and and I thought that was just really interesting. And
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Speaker 1: Ravens always you know, fun to talk to you because
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Speaker 1: she's always very honest. I mean, I've I've had Rachel
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Speaker 1: on my podcast a lot, but you know, her and
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Speaker 1: I have such a rapport that we really just kind
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Speaker 1: of kept just talking about oh and remember this and
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Speaker 1: remember that. So they were all kind of fun, but
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Speaker 1: the Karin one for me was the most um interesting, well, Nick, yeah,
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Speaker 1: minus the Vanessa one, which is kind of its own.
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Speaker 1: It's a special interview. Well, we last week on the
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Speaker 1: podcast had brought up you know, Karin made headlines because
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Speaker 1: she openly spoke about um, her her time on your
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Speaker 1: season and how she and I quote what Krince says,
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Speaker 1: acted like a psychopath. Nick, I'm sure you've you've gotten
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Speaker 1: to dig into that a little bit, and I know
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Speaker 1: that comment comes with a lot of depth. So what
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Speaker 1: is it that you've learned about Karin now based on
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Speaker 1: you know, and you don't have to share it all,
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Speaker 1: but what have you learned about her as a human
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Speaker 1: and this reflectiveness that you just spoke of, well, I mean,
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Speaker 1: you know, I think that was that psychopath is just
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Speaker 1: a sound bite because Karan is still Karren, and she
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Speaker 1: that's how she talks to just describe herself. But I
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Speaker 1: don't I don't like she meant that in a little
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Speaker 1: all sense. But I think she talks, she talks about
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Speaker 1: how she's a different person. Um. Not only do I
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Speaker 1: not want to spoil the patreon, but I also don't
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Speaker 1: want to miss speak and speak for her in terms
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Speaker 1: of paraphrases, because that conversation had a couple of months,
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Speaker 1: a couple a few weeks ago. But you just, I
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Speaker 1: think see some maturing on her part in terms of
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Speaker 1: UM looking back, I think, Um, I think you also
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Speaker 1: listening to back, I think regards of what your thoughts
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Speaker 1: on her, how she handled herself, I think, Um, you
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Speaker 1: appreciate the level of sincerity that she had even when
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Speaker 1: filming back then, you know you might you if you
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Speaker 1: were whatever you thought of what she did on my season.
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Speaker 1: I think after listening to my conversation with her, it's
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Speaker 1: what's evident is kind of her sincerity about um just
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Speaker 1: going through the process, you know, right, reason, the wrong reasons, Like,
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Speaker 1: you know, everyone has their opinion about how you should
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Speaker 1: go about things, and just because you might be playful
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Speaker 1: or sarcastic and and all those things doesn't necessarily mean
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Speaker 1: that you are lacking sincerity. And I think that was
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Speaker 1: really evident, especially after sitting down and talking with Karin.
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Speaker 1: You recently talked about the fact that you feel like
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Speaker 1: your season was overly sexualized. It starts out with Liz
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Speaker 1: coming out of the limo in an episode one, you
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Speaker 1: find out that you and Liz slept together at Jaden
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Speaker 1: Tayner's wedding, and then you know, you had the past
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Speaker 1: of Caitlyn sleeping with you early and then talking about
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Speaker 1: making love with Andy and the fantasy suite, so you
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Speaker 1: expected that it would be a topic that was brought
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Speaker 1: up a lot. But did it get to the point
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Speaker 1: where it was annoying or you felt almost disrespected? Well,
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Speaker 1: I wouldn't say over sexualized, but it was certainly sexualized. Um,
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Speaker 1: And I think I got annoyed and frustrated, just like
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Speaker 1: every lead does about whatever it is the show decides to,
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Speaker 1: you know, overplay, you know, I'm sure, Yeah, I'm Ben
20:08
Speaker 1: gets tired about the unlovable thing I'm sure right, just
20:14
Speaker 1: it just gets old. Um. Sometimes people play into these
20:18
Speaker 1: narratives themselves. Sometimes that's what the show decides for them. Um.
20:25
Speaker 1: On some aspects, I didn't mind being the sexual bachelor
20:29
Speaker 1: to a certain degree. I'm a sex positive guy. I
20:32
Speaker 1: I'm not. I don't think it's something we should shy
20:36
Speaker 1: away from talking about. But there's always that kind of
20:38
Speaker 1: tipping point where you feel like it people started making
20:42
Speaker 1: generalizations and assumptions about you, and I think to that,
20:45
Speaker 1: and it can certainly get frustrating. Um, no more frustrating
20:50
Speaker 1: than anyone else. But I don't think it was um
20:56
Speaker 1: any worser or or less played out than any other season.
21:00
Speaker 1: You know, that's just happened to be, you know, my
21:04
Speaker 1: story arc for them, And I gat there's some pros
21:07
Speaker 1: and cons to it. Like sometimes I I I think
21:12
Speaker 1: of myself as a progressive person, and so there's a
21:14
Speaker 1: progressive element to that. It wasn't always viewed it that
21:17
Speaker 1: way in the moment, but UM, I think it aged,
21:21
Speaker 1: it has aged well. I guess you could say, you know,
21:24
Speaker 1: one of the interesting things that you're not even able
21:25
Speaker 1: to talk about, uh, looking back now, the goats reairing
21:30
Speaker 1: so like it or not, you spend at least a
21:33
Speaker 1: few moments or maybe a week or however long, kind
21:35
Speaker 1: of reminiscing on the season, remembering the season, thinking about
21:38
Speaker 1: how long ago was and how much you've changed now
21:41
Speaker 1: looking back since it's it's re aired. What what do
21:46
Speaker 1: you see in yourself as your biggest takeaway personally as
21:49
Speaker 1: your from your time as the Bachelor leading up to today.
21:53
Speaker 1: I think I wore my hair too high my entire
21:56
Speaker 1: season a little high. I love high hair, that's my thing.
22:02
Speaker 1: I can't have high hair, so I guess, yeah, same
22:04
Speaker 1: thing about you. Yeah, I mean, you know what, it's not.
22:11
Speaker 1: It hasn't a been that long, and it wasn't as
22:14
Speaker 1: if I was at a different point in my life, so,
22:16
Speaker 1: you know, unlike Krin who talks about she was maybe
22:20
Speaker 1: on the younger side even even her age that she
22:23
Speaker 1: was at, and she feels like she's maybe grown as
22:26
Speaker 1: a person in that time span, I don't know if
22:29
Speaker 1: I really have all that much in terms of where
22:31
Speaker 1: I was in my life then versus now. I think
22:34
Speaker 1: looking back and watching it, yeah, there's certain some cringey moments, um,
22:40
Speaker 1: but that's just reality TV. Um. Yeah, I don't I think, Yeah,
22:49
Speaker 1: it's it's I don't have I don't have this great
22:51
Speaker 1: epiphany I guess is what I'm saying in terms of
22:53
Speaker 1: what I learned or anything like that. It's always one
22:57
Speaker 1: of those things. Anytime you go through an intense experience,
22:59
Speaker 1: you sometimes wish you would have relaxed a little bit
23:02
Speaker 1: more and enjoyed the journey than you did. But that's
23:05
Speaker 1: I think easier said than done. Is as the lead
23:08
Speaker 1: of that show, you're not Yeah. I mean, that's one
23:10
Speaker 1: of the things you and I've been able to connect
23:11
Speaker 1: on from our experiences is just how I think I'll stressed.
23:16
Speaker 1: We both were through the whole thing somehow, some way,
23:20
Speaker 1: just wanting it to be the best possible um experience
23:25
Speaker 1: for not only ourselves, but the women involved and the
23:27
Speaker 1: crew and the whole thing, just knowing that it's unfamiliar
23:32
Speaker 1: to all of us. And if I look back in
23:35
Speaker 1: somebody who asked me that question, I think one of
23:36
Speaker 1: the things that I don't necessarily regret, but I wish
23:39
Speaker 1: I would have done differently is enjoyed a little bit
23:41
Speaker 1: of it, because it's hard for me to look back
23:42
Speaker 1: and go, that was fun. I've heard leads say it
23:45
Speaker 1: was fun. I can't necessarily define it as fun. Yeah
23:49
Speaker 1: either either would I. I mean it's interesting interesting because
23:52
Speaker 1: like going back and talking to a lot of the
23:54
Speaker 1: women from my season on my nick v Talks Trash
23:57
Speaker 1: TV project, it was fun to talk to them and
24:02
Speaker 1: you know, you you know, they're different, I'm different, and
24:05
Speaker 1: I guess in some sense of the word. But um
24:10
Speaker 1: so yeah, without any steaks involved, people are a little
24:14
Speaker 1: bit more lighthearted and and easy going, and so it
24:18
Speaker 1: was it was way more fun to talk to all
24:20
Speaker 1: these women now and again you think to yourself, oh, well, wow,
24:24
Speaker 1: how how nice would have been to like have this
24:28
Speaker 1: kind of lightheartedness with these women then as the Bachelor
24:32
Speaker 1: than I do now? Sure, but again they're nervous. I'm nervous.
24:36
Speaker 1: It's just again easier said than done. But yeah, in
24:38
Speaker 1: the utopian world, would it have been great to just
24:42
Speaker 1: you know, I guess that's the problem with sometimes that
24:44
Speaker 1: show where it doesn't work, is it's sometimes really hard
24:47
Speaker 1: to have natural conversations, and sometimes the relationships that do
24:53
Speaker 1: well are the ones where people seem to be themselves
24:58
Speaker 1: and even a tougher situation. Um, which if that makes sense, right,
25:04
Speaker 1: you know, going off that you've had so much time
25:07
Speaker 1: with Rachel. You've cultivated a great relationship with her, a
25:10
Speaker 1: great friendship. Um, you respect her immensely in another world
25:14
Speaker 1: where you've got to spend more low key time with
25:17
Speaker 1: your contestants. Quote quote even though I don't like that word,
25:21
Speaker 1: would you ever think that you've maybe would have ended
25:25
Speaker 1: up with Rachel instead? No, I mean I really don't
25:29
Speaker 1: have any regrets in terms of decisions I made or
25:33
Speaker 1: have things would have played out differently. I have a
25:35
Speaker 1: great respect for the women on my season. It's you know,
25:39
Speaker 1: especially Rachel, just because she's the person I've probably been
25:42
Speaker 1: closest with since my show. And it's even been reading
25:46
Speaker 1: nice to reconnect with raven and And and talking with her.
25:51
Speaker 1: It was really easy for us to kind of go
25:53
Speaker 1: back and the natural chemistry we had. I don't mean
25:58
Speaker 1: romantically or anything like that, but like it. It was
26:01
Speaker 1: so easy for me to talk with Raven and And
26:04
Speaker 1: I think we we You you hear that in in
26:08
Speaker 1: our conversation, and I think, uh, but yeah, I don't.
26:12
Speaker 1: I don't think, uh that means I would have, you know,
26:16
Speaker 1: with more time, I would explore things more romantically or
26:19
Speaker 1: just because Vanessa and I didn't work. I don't. I
26:20
Speaker 1: don't kind of have revisionist history that way. UM. So yeah, No,
26:26
Speaker 1: the we have been able to interview a few of
26:29
Speaker 1: your women who will be coming up on a future podcast.
26:32
Speaker 1: One of them that stood out to all of us
26:33
Speaker 1: and has always and is Angela. Um and and then
26:38
Speaker 1: we had Alexis, and then we had Christina, and then
26:41
Speaker 1: you you just mentioned Vanessa and Raven and Rachel. Your season,
26:45
Speaker 1: Nick was just full of incredible women who we've gotten
26:48
Speaker 1: to know more and more ever since this season airing.
26:53
Speaker 1: I know, for me, I look back and it's like,
26:55
Speaker 1: it's kind of crazy that so many incredible people spent
26:58
Speaker 1: their time um to date or try to date you
27:04
Speaker 1: on this crazy experience. As we close here with you,
27:07
Speaker 1: is there anything that you'd like to say the fans
27:09
Speaker 1: or to the women that were on your season, Uh,
27:12
Speaker 1: looking back on your time as the Bachelor, I mean
27:16
Speaker 1: I think I watching it back, Um, you know, I
27:21
Speaker 1: watched it with a kind of a sense of pride.
27:23
Speaker 1: I think it was a really entertaining season. I think,
27:25
Speaker 1: like you said, it speaks a lot to the women
27:28
Speaker 1: that were on my season. If there's anything you know,
27:30
Speaker 1: I think sometimes as the Bachelor, maybe you you can
27:33
Speaker 1: shed some light on this bed in terms of there's
27:37
Speaker 1: there's so many nuances or things that go on to
27:39
Speaker 1: be in the Bachelor. There's finding love obviously, and that's
27:41
Speaker 1: your personal kind of um priority, But there's a sense
27:47
Speaker 1: of you're you feel like you want to hell, it's
27:53
Speaker 1: a show and you want to make it a good show.
27:55
Speaker 1: You want people to enjoy watching it, right, and and
27:59
Speaker 1: some times things weren't always easy. I appreciate, especially to
28:03
Speaker 1: after talking to these women, um you know, some of
28:07
Speaker 1: them have said like they were I was the perfect
28:09
Speaker 1: Bachelor for them, and I didn't really think anything of
28:12
Speaker 1: that at the time, and Raven said it to me
28:14
Speaker 1: a couple of times, and I've really learned to come
28:15
Speaker 1: to appreciate over the past few weeks, just because they
28:19
Speaker 1: they were a group with a lot of different personalities
28:22
Speaker 1: and a lot of um you know, big personalities in
28:26
Speaker 1: a great way, which can make for really entertaining TV.
28:29
Speaker 1: And I'm I'm glad that I made them feel comfortable
28:32
Speaker 1: to be themselves and that they were able to be themselves.
28:36
Speaker 1: And again back to the kind of progressiveness or the
28:39
Speaker 1: sexualization of myself or whatever, like I guess I'm glad
28:43
Speaker 1: it all worked out in that way where they didn't
28:45
Speaker 1: feel like I would ever be judge or anything like that,
28:48
Speaker 1: where I was the type of person they felt comfortable
28:51
Speaker 1: that they could, like Raven could tell me that she
28:53
Speaker 1: kicked out of her boyfriend once or whatever, or Raven
28:56
Speaker 1: or Karin could do some of the things that she did,
28:59
Speaker 1: or Alexis could tell her kind of witty, dirty jokes.
29:02
Speaker 1: And I guess I'm glad that they were on my season,
29:06
Speaker 1: and I'm glad that they um felt comfortable enough with
29:10
Speaker 1: me to be themselves. So Vanessa got engaged this month,
29:14
Speaker 1: and of course you're very happy for her. I know
29:16
Speaker 1: you're happy for but I need to but I can
29:19
Speaker 1: get Can we get a quote a little bit more
29:21
Speaker 1: than what you wrote underneath her Instagram? I mean truly
29:26
Speaker 1: that that is true. As a result of you know,
29:32
Speaker 1: Vanessa and I hadn't been following each other, you know,
29:34
Speaker 1: since we were broken up, and we kind of talk
29:38
Speaker 1: about that a little bit in terms of how we
29:40
Speaker 1: unfollowed each other after we broke up. But as a
29:44
Speaker 1: result of us talking, um, I uh, I followed her.
29:49
Speaker 1: I followed her, and then I got I kind of
29:51
Speaker 1: text him like, hey, I started following again, she followed
29:53
Speaker 1: me back. UM, and I probably would, you know, I'm
29:58
Speaker 1: sure I eventually I would have heard the news. But
30:00
Speaker 1: I'm thankful that, um, we we connected so that I
30:04
Speaker 1: felt comfortable enough to to reach out privately as well
30:09
Speaker 1: as you know, I text her first privately and then commented.
30:13
Speaker 1: And I guess I'm just glad that we're at a
30:15
Speaker 1: place where I felt comfortable enough to do that, as
30:18
Speaker 1: opposed to, you know, just saying as you suggest again,
30:22
Speaker 1: like of course someone would publicly say something nice. You know, Um,
30:25
Speaker 1: I guess I could have said nothing at all, but
30:28
Speaker 1: it was nice to be able to reach out to
30:29
Speaker 1: her privately and wish her congratulations and and things like that,
30:33
Speaker 1: and UM, yeah, I guess I'm just thankful that I
30:38
Speaker 1: was in a position to do that. Um, And if
30:41
Speaker 1: she had got engaged, you know, two months ago, it
30:45
Speaker 1: might not have been the case. Yeah. So that's great
30:47
Speaker 1: because I know that a lot of people, well they're like, oh,
30:50
Speaker 1: why did you have to do it on Instagram, Like
30:52
Speaker 1: why did you do it publicly? Well, it was like,
30:54
Speaker 1: to be honest, well, I did it both ways. But
30:56
Speaker 1: if I didn't do it publicly. Then you guys would
30:58
Speaker 1: like on me and like you didn't say anything. It's like,
31:01
Speaker 1: oh really, because I didn't stay it in front of
31:03
Speaker 1: your face. Yeah, I don't look try to look too
31:07
Speaker 1: much into that, but in that case, yes, you you
31:09
Speaker 1: can never win with anyone on the internet, so I
31:11
Speaker 1: try not to. But um, yeah, but I'm happy for her,
31:15
Speaker 1: and UM, I'm definitely glad we were able to get
31:20
Speaker 1: this recorded before she got engaged. Hey, friend of friend,
31:24
Speaker 1: host a host, We're glad you're the bachelor. Thanks for
31:26
Speaker 1: sharing this time with us. Thank you for uh for
31:30
Speaker 1: walking us through the season, and again, make sure to
31:32
Speaker 1: check out Nick's show on patron It's Nick v Talks
31:37
Speaker 1: Trash TV. You're the man, Nick, Thanks for coming on
31:39
Speaker 1: and best of luck with everything coming up. Thanks buddy.
31:54
Speaker 1: You know, actually I do have to pause here. We've
31:56
Speaker 1: gone through bust of the podcast now. But if I
31:58
Speaker 1: sound stuffy, every once in a while, get like a
32:01
Speaker 1: tweeter an email being like that, are you sick? Are
32:03
Speaker 1: you okay? You sound stuffy? List time? I have an excuse.
32:10
Speaker 1: I live in Denver, and right now we have five
32:12
Speaker 1: fires that are within like two miles of the city
32:14
Speaker 1: and they're all the smoke is sitting on top of
32:17
Speaker 1: the city right now, and it is like an overcast
32:21
Speaker 1: haze and everybody I know has like sinus issues and
32:25
Speaker 1: I'm struggling, like it it hurts right now. That sucks.
32:31
Speaker 1: I'm blown. Yeah, No, it's why they are. That's a
32:36
Speaker 1: good I never even thought about it that way. I
32:38
Speaker 1: thought it was like, this is a little gross, but
32:40
Speaker 1: I thought, are they bloody, like because I'm so dry
32:43
Speaker 1: right now. Yeah, And I think it's like I mean, honestly,
32:47
Speaker 1: I think it's smoke in elation. Like they have warnings
32:50
Speaker 1: out so if you're anywhere in Denver, you know what
32:52
Speaker 1: I'm talking about. I just also wanted to like preface
32:55
Speaker 1: this with saying, I'm okay, I'm healthy, I'm good. Maybe
32:59
Speaker 1: it's allergies, maybe it's ok who knows, Ashley, It's been
33:03
Speaker 1: a fantastic podcast obviously, Nick it's always one of our
33:06
Speaker 1: our favorite guests. And uh, I'm excited for his good
33:11
Speaker 1: episode because I remember the day he was announced as
33:14
Speaker 1: a bachelor, and I at that time didn't know Nick
33:17
Speaker 1: do well. But I was excited for it because I
33:19
Speaker 1: thought it was going to be super dramatic and really
33:23
Speaker 1: I felt like his season, it was a memorable season
33:27
Speaker 1: because of the cast involved, and that cast is still
33:31
Speaker 1: is really still in the public eye today doing some
33:33
Speaker 1: great things. So I'm pumped for this Goat episode. I'm
33:36
Speaker 1: pumped to catch up with the contestants and uh yeah,
33:39
Speaker 1: it's just always nice to have Nick on Ben. I
33:42
Speaker 1: have an email. We haven't done a listener emails in
33:45
Speaker 1: a long time, and there are fun and I would
33:47
Speaker 1: love you guys to send more questions our way. I
33:50
Speaker 1: have one that is so good and it's for Ben. Okay,
33:55
Speaker 1: I'm a little curious about how you're going to to
33:59
Speaker 1: answer it, right, so it goes Ben. Help, How in
34:01
Speaker 1: the world do I write an online dating profile without
34:05
Speaker 1: self describing? Can you give me some suggestions? And I'm
34:09
Speaker 1: like listening to I'm listening to this and I'm like,
34:12
Speaker 1: you know what, it sounds hard, but you can do it.
34:16
Speaker 1: You basically just um h, how do I work? I
34:20
Speaker 1: don't know if you're gonna give give me your answer
34:23
Speaker 1: before I form mine. Okay, Well, Casia, thanks for the
34:28
Speaker 1: email again. I would say when it comes to dating,
34:33
Speaker 1: the the biggest key to me is talking about what
34:38
Speaker 1: you're for and not what you're against. And so if
34:42
Speaker 1: I'm writing a profile, I'm just saying some of the
34:45
Speaker 1: things I like to do for fun. I'm also saying
34:48
Speaker 1: that's what I'm and I'm also keeping it. Here's the thing, Actually,
34:52
Speaker 1: I'm keeping it really short. I'm adding in some of
34:55
Speaker 1: the things that are really important to me, some of
34:57
Speaker 1: the like the things that I'm like really interesting. It
35:00
Speaker 1: right for me. It would be like my faith. It
35:03
Speaker 1: would be my activities, like my my hobbies, my sports. Um.
35:08
Speaker 1: It would also just just be the fact i'd probably
35:10
Speaker 1: honestly put in there, like if you're somebody likes to
35:12
Speaker 1: stay at past eleven thirty at night, like you and
35:14
Speaker 1: I ain't working, um like or or you're you're not
35:19
Speaker 1: going to have a partner to eleven thirty at night,
35:20
Speaker 1: You're gonna have me asleep somewhere. But keep it short,
35:25
Speaker 1: keep it open ended. I don't think you need to
35:28
Speaker 1: say that you're the kindest, most loving, smart, honest person
35:31
Speaker 1: in the world. I think what you need to do
35:34
Speaker 1: is talk about some of the things you stand for,
35:35
Speaker 1: some of the hobbies that you're involved in, some of
35:37
Speaker 1: the causes that you care about, and some of the
35:38
Speaker 1: things that are important to you and leave it to
35:40
Speaker 1: the person that's pursuing you to ask more questions, to
35:44
Speaker 1: ask to follow up. And I think that's where I
35:45
Speaker 1: think that's the key. Yeah, don't get confused that like
35:50
Speaker 1: you explaining your interests, your passions in life, your hobbies
35:54
Speaker 1: and activities. That's not what we get annoyed of when
35:57
Speaker 1: we talk about self describing. I think what Ben really
36:00
Speaker 1: gets annoyed about when it comes to self describing is
36:04
Speaker 1: qualifying your personality traits. Right, It's like I am this, like,
36:10
Speaker 1: I am a kind person, I am a generous person.
36:14
Speaker 1: Like just don't qualify yourself like that. Let people figure
36:17
Speaker 1: out those qualities in you. And for a dating profile,
36:21
Speaker 1: all you have to do is talk about what you
36:23
Speaker 1: enjoy in life. I'm I'm with you, ask Actuley as always,
36:27
Speaker 1: it's awesome talk to you about everything going on in
36:30
Speaker 1: Bachelor Nation. Uh, it was. I think it was a
36:33
Speaker 1: great podcast. It's always fun to sit down with the guests.
36:37
Speaker 1: You know. As we mentioned, we have a really exciting
36:40
Speaker 1: in depth coming up this Thursday with Andy Dorfman. It's
36:44
Speaker 1: I promise it's gonna be worth the listen. But until then,
36:49
Speaker 1: this has been almost serious podcast and I haven't been.
36:52
Speaker 1: I've been. Ashley talked to you guys on Thursday when
36:56
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