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Random Heathen Ramblings: S4, EP10 - Guilt Vs. Shame · Random Heathen Ramblings

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And welcome back to this week's episode of the random Heathen
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Hope you guys have been having a good month of March, you know,
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we've we've kicked off the month with some pretty chilly weather
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here in the Middle Tennessee area.
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This past weekend's meet up with a bunch of local and Regional
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pagans and heathens to talk about Concepts of death, and the
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afterlife was, it was a chilly one for sure, you know, it was a
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little windy, the temperatures were in the upper 40s, low 50s,
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it was overcast, you know? And it was a, it was definitely
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a reminder that we're not quite there yet.
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Springtime is not quite here yet, but we are getting longer
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days now because of the DST, the daylight saving time.
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So we are getting an extra hour of daylight now.
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And, you know, it feels like the days are longer and You know,
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they're not out we're not out of the woods yet for sure.
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We've we've definitely got some potential for cool and colder
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weather this. The rest of this week has been
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you know right around what it typically should be for the for
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the later parts of the winter early spring, but you know we
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still got the rest of this month and Even into April, believe it
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or not here in the South can get, you know, be a bit
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unpredictable. We've had freeze warnings or
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Frost warnings all the way into April.
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I've even seen it snow a little bit here.
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So, you know, we're definitely not out of the woods yet, but
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suffice it to say, you know, the days are getting longer and we
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got look me and we can look forward to Longer and warmer
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days to come then apologize ahead of time.
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In case, you guys notice my voice may go in or in and out a
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little bit, just dealing with again, because of the way, the
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weather goes, you know, some days, it's 70 degrees, some
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days, it's 30 degrees, and it just goes all over the place.
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My voice has maybe a little, you know, in and out because of the
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weather fluctuations, there's like this upper respiratory
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thing that I'm trying to to to to fight a bit.
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It. I don't get seasonal allergies,
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at least. I don't think I do.
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But it's mainly just, you know, up in here.
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So I may sound like a rash be old man, every now and then.
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But anyway, we are here today to discuss a couple of things that
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really didn't come from any particular.
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great. It's a great way to again, just
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just share ideas and thoughts and get people's voices, heard
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out here on the larger spectrum of things.
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But again, this, this particular topic doesn't come from any one
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of those sorts of things, but it's a topic that I don't recall
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ever having done a video or a podcast on before.
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So, you know, I thought Why not? Let's explore it and it's the
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topic or the. Yeah, the topic is that of
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guilt. Versus shame.
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And here we go, right off the rip with the with the hacking in
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the coffin. So bear with me guys.
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As we go through the rest of this episode do the best that I
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can to be as least disruptive as possible.
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But yeah, this guilt versus shame and how it fits into a
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heathen world view. Does it fit into a heathen world
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view as their place for such things?
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And so I wanted to talk about that this weekend at least.
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Give you my perspective on it and open it up for discussion
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and give you guys some things to think about.
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So before I do go into this, I realize that this particular
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topic is a larger non Heathen related topic.
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You know, we're talking about things of of of a psychology
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perhaps? Yeah, psychology realm, you know
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and I am not by any means or any stretch of the of the In the
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psychologist. I've not studied the the human
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mind or any of those sorts of things.
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Or the way the human mind works in any sort of academic or
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professional degree. So bear that in mind as you
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listen and watch the rest of this that, you know, My Views
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are coming strictly from just conversations.
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I've had You know the my experiences, right?
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So and and you know this is not going to be one of those
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episodes that I have any technically in a, you know,
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Source material. Because again we're talking
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about things of the human psyche of the human mind things that
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are going on you know, within ourselves or within the
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communities around us. So I won't have any like you
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know, you can read about here in this you know, literature or in
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this Poem, or in this, you know, whatever piece of academic work,
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I'm sure. There's probably examples of
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that existing for this particular topic.
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I just haven't come across some yet, so as I go through this and
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if you have anything that you want to share in the comments
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and you know, right in or whatever, then feel free to do.
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So, but yeah, so guilt and shame, you know, I think a lot
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of times this these words get You know, they get they get used
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interchangeably met many times. There's excuse me, it's going to
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be like that guys, I'm sorry. But there's there's, you know,
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cases where Guilt and shame. Get you get, you know the terms,
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get used interchangeably. Perhaps to mean the same thing,
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but I see a definite difference between the two of those things.
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So you know, for me and I think just, you know, a basic or
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general understanding is that you know, guilt is something
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that is Then I'm not going to, I'm not going to go, you know,
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you guys can look up the dictionary.
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Definitions of these words, you know what guilt is, or what
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shame is, by definition, in, the Merriam-Webster the whatever
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version of the dictionary that is being used or referenced
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nowadays. But the way I see it is that,
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you know, guilt is for person. That is, you know, dishing it
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out and in a way and I'll maybe get into some ideas or examples
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of somebody that's being guilted or trying to guilt someone.
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It's not for that person. That's on the receiving end,
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it's more for the person that's dishing it out, you know, on the
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giving end whereas you know, shame is is is something that
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could potentially be beneficial. To that person that is receiving
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it to be shamed or to feel shame, you know, for refer for
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something that is being done. You can make someone feel
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ashamed of doing something, you know, ridiculous stupid
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ill-advised without making them feel guilty.
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And I think there's a big there, there's there there in lies, you
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know, the big difference because guilt again, it has It does have
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morality definitely tied into it.
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And in certain religions I think for sure it is definitely a
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thing that, you know, to guilt someone or to make someone feel
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guilty, it's used as a method of control.
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And I think this is going to be the the particular areas of
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focus that I want to, you know, pay attention to here.
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Assuming that I can make it through here without hacking up
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a lung. So, shame is for correction, we
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can look at it in that context, is that, you know, to shame
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someone for someone to feel shame can be for their benefit,
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and it can be for them to, you know, correct.
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The issue we're in opposition. Guilt is for control.
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So we're looking at, you know, guilt versus shame control vs.
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Correction. And this is a again, just a non
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Heathen perspective of it, but I think it can fit into our
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Heathen World Views and into some of our Heathen circles or
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tribes or kindred's, even appropriately.
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So, it's like an example. I like, let's say you want to
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look at just a non Heathen example of it.
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If if you know, let's say we've got a family Mom, dad and a
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child. And the child is is, you know,
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wanting a cookie before dinner and the child steals the cookie.
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Without the parent knowing, you know, goes behind their back,
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sneaks into the cupboard, into the into the drawer into
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wherever the thing that they want is kept and they steal it
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if guilt is implemented in any guilt.
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Culture approach. The thing that is being sought
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is to purposely or purposefully create inner turmoil for that,
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for that person, right? Because we can see that that
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that's what guilt is. It's that inner turmoil, I feel
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guilty. For having done XYZ because I
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am, I am guilty of doing it, right?
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So you you made a mistake, you you transgress, you you broke
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the Law, whatever. And if you'd actually did it,
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then you are guilty. But the inner turmoil that is
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that is created. And guilt culture is, again,
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coming from the person, that is Doling it out in order to in a
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way, right? Prevent that behavior from
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recurring So, you know, you could look at it, you know, once
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the parent discovers that this child stole the cookie out of
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the cookie jar or took what was not supposed to be?
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There's they would perhaps in a guilt culture, sort of way.
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Say something like, you know, you doing that.
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Made me feel really, really sad. You know, you don't ever want to
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make me sad again, do you? You don't want to disappoint me?
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You see what you did was wrong, right?
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And it puts it puts the focus on perpetuating and creating that
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inner turmoil and just in feeling and making that person
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feel really for lack of a better term just really shitty.
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So as a result of that, you know, the the perpetrator will
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put in this case, the child for having stolen that cookie is
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going to feel guilty over. First of all, just doing what
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they did which as a result hurt the person whom they love In a
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way, right? It hurt their feelings, it
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negatively impacted them. And so that child may not ever
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theoretically, they may not ever, you know, repeat that
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action again, not out of the reason that they've learned that
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it's wrong, but that they want to prevent Any doing anything in
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the future? It's going to hurt that person,
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right? So it's not out of, I've learned
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my lesson, I see what I did was wrong and that's why I don't
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want to do it again. It's I'm being chastised and
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scolded and made to feel, you know, feel really, really bad
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inside. And and because of that, I don't
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want to do it. I don't want to do that thing
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again. It's going to make me feel this
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way or put a bad feeling on someone that I care about,
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right? So there's an example, I think
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of what we could say is guilt. Now, shame.
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Could be seen as the thing that is, you know, saying way it's
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pointing out to that child, that stole that cookie, that they did
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something wrong. It's not that look what you've
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done to me. Look how you've hurt me, you
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know, look what you've done to make me feel bad, you little
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piece of crap garbage. You you little bastard.
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You you little whatever. You know, look what you've done.
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See how it made me feel Instead it's look what you've done
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that's wrong. And here's why that cookie,
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right? We're going to just go back to
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that example of that kid, you know, here's what you did was
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wrong because that Cookie doesn't belong to you.
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It's not for you to take, you've done something wrong and you and
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it's wrong because it's not yours.
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You didn't, you know, it's not for you to just up and take
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something that it doesn't belong to you, you know, better than
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that. I raised you better than that,
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you know, better than that. You know, that you're supposed
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to. Ask first.
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You're supposed to wait, until after dinner, right?
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Whatever the, you know, again, I'm using hypothetical examples
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here, but I think that the, the lesson is well enough
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established hear that. Shaming the child saying that,
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you know, better than this. You've been taught better than
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this, you know, I've raised you to be better than that.
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You don't do stuff like this because of the fact that it's
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wrong, and here's the reason why it's not that, you know, you
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little Hellion, you know, what is wrong with you?
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Look at how could how you made me feel, look what you've done,
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you know. It's a different approach and
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it's for a different reason and the shame part is is yes, you've
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done something wrong. You should pay for the wrong
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that you've done there is there is there is a punishment you
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know that that needs to be implemented for having done the
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wrong thing but the shame is what you feel and that is a way
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that I feel is going to Correct. The behavior to prevent it from
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happening again versus using using using a method that is
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that is that is it is by inherent design a way of
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controlling somebody. you know and from a heathen perspective
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excuse me, you know I think that shame culture has an absolutely
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valuable and valid place in amongst our worldviews you know
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without without Law Without order without you know, creating
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that that system that corrects wrongdoing, we run the risk of
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having Everything just just flopping around and having no
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structure having no control having the order.
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And I, you know, say control, not in the sense of what I was
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talking about before where, you know, guilting somebody and in
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hand and being controlling over them.
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But, but, but again, having that sense of water, having that
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sense of decency lawfulness, right?
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It goes back to ancient Germanic worldviews that, you know,
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Happens. Within a lawful Society is that
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which is good. And so what is good is
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considered to be lawful when you act lawfully, when you act good,
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you are you you are behaving in a way that is Honorable
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virtuous. Your worth is higher, your worth
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is, is more. And in worth is something placed
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on You by The People, by Society, you know.
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So by your You're by the community by by your tribe.
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Perhaps if we look at it now today to you are worth more to
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your tribe. If you are abiding by the rules
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and doing things that are within the lawful order or construct of
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your inner. Enter yards or of that of that
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tribal structure goes back to an old word that I've talked about
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a little bit in the past but that Old English word through
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meaning law. So through is, is Law.
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And it is, the it is, it is the thing to be abided by, right?
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We're so bide by the law were to follow the law.
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And when you break the law, when you break the rules, then you
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should be. You should expect to feel
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ashamed. For having done.
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So, not because it hurt everybody else's feelings or
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that it, you know, you're, you're, you're a terrible little
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POS for doing it, but you should feel shame and be ashamed.
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And for doing it because of the fact that you have broken, that,
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that lawfulness that, that trust, you have broken that,
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that thing that Has been established.
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As being something to hold the society, hold your tribes luck
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together and in hold everything, where it should be for benefit
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of everybody else, you know? So, without shame, there
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there's, there's no real incentive.
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There's no reason to Pro beep, prevent yourself from doing it.
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If you can just, you know, freely go about doing anything
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that we that you care to do and not, You know, get any sense of
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repercussion if there's no consequence to what you're
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doing. There's there's if you're not
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shamed for doing wrong or doing something that is against that,
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which is lawful, that which is good.
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Then it's just, you know, it's the wild west and you just, you
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know, everybody does, whatever the hell they want, and there's
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the again, there's, there's no repercussion, there's no
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consequence, there's no balance, and it's unlawful, and it's
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lawlessness and everybody, its Anarchy, you know, everybody
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just does. Say whatever the hell they want.
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So again I like it I look at it as a very valuable thing or
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something. Potentially a value when done
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rightly you can again we can run the risk.
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Especially in modern Heathen tribes.
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And I saw something one time about why we think or why
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people, why is it that, you know, why do you think that that
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modern Heathen kindred's? Modern Heathen tribes tend to
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just fall apart and tend to have you know little to no duration
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like the there. There's they're not around for
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very long. You see groups pop up here there
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and then they fizzle out and they don't last.
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Why is that And I, you know, I think it has a lot to do with
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ego hubris, various things that of the human.
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Everybody wants to be in charge of but he wants to be great.
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Everyone. What he wants to do, everybody
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wants to be known for something but but not a lot of people are
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willing to put in the work to do the things that a thrall would
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have to do in order before being seen as as kingly or as somebody
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of a higher esteem. You know what I mean?
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Not a lot of people want to put the work in and so when the work
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isn't done and when those foundations aren't laid, its it
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there's no There's no way for for things to grow.
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You know, I've had conversations with other people at other
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times, some of which I've shared a little bit on this channel and
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maybe not in recent podcast, but over the years that, you know,
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Heathen re is, is Grass Roots. It is, it is something that
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needs to be first of all. Established at the Grassroots
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level nurtured at the Grassroots groups, Grassroots level.
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Furthered at the Grassroots level and maintain that at that
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level and without putting in the work without boots on the ground
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without the actual doing of things, if it's all just talk,
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talk, talk, yak, yak. Yak You.
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No, and no. And no Deeds no doing it doesn't
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it doesn't stand a chance. And into to speak to the topic
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at hand. You know, when things are done
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that are that go against what has been established as being
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the right and good and lawful thing to do.
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But then the smaller circles Within These smaller, kindred's
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groups tribes, what have you? You know, when things when
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someone or when a group or when when people violate the rules?
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If there's no. if they're, if they're not, you know, the
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opportunity to Be ashamed of that.
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And to know why that wrong was done, and then being given the
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chance to correct it. There's, I don't think there's
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there's any Opportunity for growth because that is fact,
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right? Like that's that's the truth of
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it. You're going to make mistakes.
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Things are going to be done that are wrong and you've got to pay
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the shield, you have to pay that recompense.
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You have to pay the where guilt as it were you know, so if if
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things are stolen you need to pay it back.
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If, if life was taken, you had to pay it with a life or, or do
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whatever the the recompense was for that crime, you know, do the
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crime do the time. I'm Excuse me.
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And be ashamed of it. Be ashamed of it.
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And if you're not then you know, That guy could be a another
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topic or that could be another thing.
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But if you're, you know, if you don't feel ashamed for having
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done wrong, then maybe you know, maybe that group isn't for you
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or you're not for them. because again, it goes back to what
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you've done has now, you know, negatively impacted the
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collective the overall Society, right?
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It's not about how it made them feel, it's about what was wrong
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and why it was wrong. You know, you did this thing
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that was against our customs, it was against our food was against
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our, our law. And you should be ashamed of
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yourself for it. You should be ashamed, you know
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better than this. You came into our group knowing
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full well What our customs were you know, and you are fully
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aware of what is expected of you.
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You know, and you have failed to do so.
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And you should be ashamed of yourself.
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And I remember as a kid too, you know especially as we got older,
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maybe some other folks here will remember what it was.
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Like growing up, you know, when when you disobeyed your parents,
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when you, when you went against their wishes and did things that
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were against the rules, broke the rules, you know, it was one
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of those things that used to hurt us more than the punishment
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was knowing that we We're that we've, that we brought shame to
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our parents, right? I'm not.
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It's not that I'm mad. It's that I'm disappointed.
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I'm not mad at you. I'm ashamed of you.
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You know, we're, you know, that sort of thing.
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And that's a powerful, it's a powerful thing for any sort of
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unit, right? If whether it whether it's a
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family, the clan, the larger broader, Extension of that
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family. Same thing applies I think if
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we're not held to a standard for not held accountable for our
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deeds and as I said before, it's just a wild west.
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Anybody just does whatever they feel like doing.
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It's no consequence, no repercussion.
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And that could be a problem. Definitely can be a problem.
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to connect their preservation of the natural and Wild Spaces.
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We share with the earth water sky and all its inhabitants are
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of the utmost importance in our mission.
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Natural Wild Spaces are in constant decline as the push to
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develop land increases their, for the opportunity to share and
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enjoying them is dwindling. Giving us all the more reason to
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take care of them, doing what we can to maintain them.
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Keeping the land and water clean from trash later and leavings
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that do not belong there. Also helps to keep the air clean
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and the native plant and animal life healthy.
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Taking part in this effort. And movement is as simple as
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bringing a bag along with you. When visiting these spaces in
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your local community, Collecting trash or litter.
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Others have left behind and disposing of it properly and
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responsibly the wildlife will. Thank you as will.
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The next person that visits and is able to enjoy the space, as
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it should be free from litter. The sacred Trail Society
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volunteer efforts do not include streets highways Interstate
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cleanup or roadways with motor vehicle traffic.
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So please use common sense and do not risk your safety to reach
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an area where dangers are present.
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So if you want to be a part of the Sacred Trail Society, you
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guys can visit Appalachia animism.com.
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You can share your efforts with the larger communities Wherever
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You Are. Are in the world by posting
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photos of you cleaning up the land in nature near and where
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you are and using the hashtag sacred Trail Society on your
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social media. So check it out.
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Details are in the description and show notes of this podcast.
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Thank you guys, so much for listening.
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Let's get back to the show. Hope you enjoyed that little
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break of sponsorship messages, Etc.
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As I say sponsorship, you know, anything about what?
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I just want, you may have just heard sacred Trail Society.
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You guys have heard me talk about, if you over to your
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Workshop, Papa Olufsen, been out there to his residence in the
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Blue Ridge Mountains and this This is largely, his doing my
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name, and my tribe's name has been attached as co-founders of
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the Sacred shell Society. But it's mainly his, and his
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wife's efforts to launch this volunteer community programs, so
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do be sure to check it all out. Doesn't cost you anything but it
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the good the return that you get from being involved, you know?
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I mean, I do. Almost every day of the week.
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I'm, I'm out here walking the greenway and stuff near the
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house. So, you know, being out here and
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taking care of the land being like, it was mentioned before
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the custodians are the stewards of this land, you know, and
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doing things to help. Upkeep the place, you know, and
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it's, again, it's a great segue into the topic today because,
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you know, when I'm out here and I'm sure you all have had these
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feelings do when you're out in nature and you see the remains
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of human filth trash things that are not biodegradable or things
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that just litter the world, I am ashamed.
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It hurts me to see that. There are people out here who
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give little to no regard for their home.
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Because this is our home to, guys, this is our home.
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This planet is our home. There ain't another one out
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here. Ain't like, you know, well,
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when, when the pipes bust and the roof leaks, and whatever we
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can just sell it and move somewhere else.
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No, this is our home. And it's been our home and
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we're, we're treating, it really poorly, you know, and I can't
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help. But Wonder, Under, you know, if
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this is the way that you're going to treat the land then
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what would, how do you treat your your own living space?
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You know, I would love to catch someone just carelessly
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discarding trash. However, big or small, you know,
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instead of holding onto it, bringing it to a trash, trash
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receptacle, right? Doing, you know, again,
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disposing of it responsibly and safely II would love to see
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these people right then and there in person and shame them
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for what they're doing, right? You should be ashamed of
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yourselves. Pick that up, put it in your
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pocket. Carry a bag with you.
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I was out on the on the greenway today and you're going to love
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this, you know, people walk their dogs.
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There's a there's a dog park not too far down the road and that's
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great, you know, get your dogs out and they and they They do
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their business as animals do. No big deal, and people actually
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have the, they they go through the effort of a picking up their
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animals. you know, crap putting it in a bag and then I shit you
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not. The dogs did it but I should you
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not. There was a bag of animal.
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Dung. Okay, left right on the side of
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the green way. I'm like you went through the
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effort of picking it up and then just left it.
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There, you might as well have just let this shit lie where it
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was because at least that's biodegradable menu.
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Now, you put it in this plastic bag, that's not eco-friendly.
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So you you know what, whatever idea you had to pick it up,
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trying to, you know, clean up after my pet.
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Yeah. But then in the interim you just
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made litter. You need an Indian, you made the
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situation worse. I tell you man, like the whole
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Shane thing like you know, you should know better than this.
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These people ought to know better than this and if they
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don't then man, they need some help, getting educated because
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you ought to know that, you know, fecal, matter is
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biodegradable, it's going to it's going to break down.
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It's going to return back into the Earth and do whatever it
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does. But at least with that, you
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know, kick it off the road, maybe kick it out of the way of
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people's walking paths, you know.
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Flick it off into the wood line or something, but don't put it
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in a plastic bag. That's not eco-friendly.
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That's not biodegradable and just leave it there.
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You know, you people ought to be ashamed of yourselves.
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You know, I have half a mind to just sitting out there and watch
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people with soda cans beer, cans bottles, food, wrappers things
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and then you know, they get done eating it and have to freakin
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lazy to carry it to the next Garbage Pail that they see.
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Instead, they just Chuck it in the woods are off to the trail.
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It's sad. So yeah.
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Those people ought to be ashamed of themselves.
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But what, what, you know, what you going to do?
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We're not going to fix it. This is, this has been an
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ongoing problem for, you know, literally all of of time.
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I think really since humans have taken up residence here, you
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know, there's always going to be places where the remains of
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mankind, less than Savory parts are are left.
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So what can we do? You know, we can sit here, we
36:29
can gripe about it, or we can do something about it, and This is
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one way of doing it. You know, being an example
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showing an example, inspiring other people to do it to not
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just to to walk by. Look at it and go.
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Oh, isn't that sad? Isn't that pathetic?
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That's horrible. I hate that.
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Well, let's do something about it.
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Carry a bag with us. You know, carry that trash with
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us and then get rid of it dispose of it properly and
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responsibly not leave it on the trail for it to just Be of
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detriment to the local Wildlife, to the spirits of a tear of the
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land. You know, that's been a topic
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here recently to write how to honor the VA tear the land.
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But here, here's a way to do it. Help keep their home clean.
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They will appreciate it, and I think good will come of it.
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For those of us that are In tune enough to want to do good and to
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be good for them. And it's benefit for all of us,
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you know, like I said, this is our home too, we share space
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with them. And if you wouldn't leave your
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home in such a trashy State, I sure hope you wouldn't.
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I've been in some people's homes, that make me question.
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but, Hey, you know, if you wouldn't, leave your house and
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such a trashy State, then why would you do that to the, to
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the, to the forces to the spirits that were here before
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you were? It's very disrespectful.
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It's not very, it's not very cool of you man.
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It's not very bright. It's not very good.
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Should be ashamed, that's what you do.
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So anyway, I would love to hear what you guys think about it.
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This is a relatively Short episode mainly just because I'm
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struggling to get through talking, but I didn't want in a
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week to go by where you guys didn't have anything to at least
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Ponder, think about share with your your people have
38:38
conversations about yourself. So I would love to know where do
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you guys see the separation? The difference is between guilt
38:48
culture and shame culture and does one or the other or both or
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neither have a place in our Heathen world view.
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I, for one think that shame culture is a valuable part of
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our Heathen world view. I think definitely has a place
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I'm done. Rightly, I don't think guilt
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culture has a place because again, it's about correcting,
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It's not about control, the guilt thing, leans, more into
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the control aspects of things and wanting to be in control, or
39:22
have control over someone or someone's.
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Whereas, the shame culture is more derived from a place of
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wanting to correct. And show, hey, you're wrong.
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Here's why you ought to know better than that and now let's
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fix it. Find the way to correct it.
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So thank you all for kind of putting up with my random
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Heathen coughing's today. It's been a little challenging
39:50
to try to, not to just leave my lungs out here on this table.
39:54
But you guys are awesome. Thank you so much for your
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hear from each other. Again, May the gods continue to
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notice you and may your ancestors smile upon you.