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Civale asks Brewers for trade, Pete plunked, Complete game pitchers · Foul Territory

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  Speaker 2: So we're gonna start with a rare trade request We
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  Speaker 2: don't see this in the game very often.
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  Speaker 1: This doesn't happen in baseball at all. I can't remember
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  Speaker 1: the last time. First of all, I can remember the
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  Speaker 1: last time someone requested a trade and then the team
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  Speaker 1: actually went through with right. Nor of people are like, no,
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  Speaker 1: I don't want to be traded.
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  Speaker 2: This one's gonna happen. Aaron Savali has requested to be traded.
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  Speaker 2: He was just bumped out of the starting rotation. He's
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  Speaker 2: been a starter for his entire career. He's made one
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  Speaker 2: relief appearance in his major league life, and that was
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  Speaker 2: in the playoffs last year against the Mets. Jacob Mizrawski
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  Speaker 2: is a top notch prospect. He's making his debut tonight.
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  Speaker 2: They decide to bump Savali out. Ken Rosenthal and Will
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  Speaker 2: Salmon from the Athletic, We're all over the story. They
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  Speaker 2: spoke to Jack Toffee, who is the representative of the
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  Speaker 2: agent for Aaron Savali, and I think the very end
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  Speaker 2: of the article stood out to me with the quote
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  Speaker 2: that they listed. Jack the agent said, Aaron is not
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  Speaker 2: angry or banging his fist on the table, but it's
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  Speaker 2: a little confusing because he did not pitch his way
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  Speaker 2: out of the rotation whatsoever. It's more of a subjective
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  Speaker 2: choice the organization is making.
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  Speaker 1: That's what the organizations can do. This is what happens.
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  Speaker 1: This is why you know, certain organizations do things one
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  Speaker 1: way and certain organizations do things otherways.
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  Speaker 3: I'm sure.
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  Speaker 1: Listen, Marcus Stroman went through this with the Yankees, right,
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  Speaker 1: He did not ask to be traded. They're like, you're
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  Speaker 1: gonna be using in the bullpen, and he did not
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  Speaker 1: has to be traded. But Savally wants to be traded
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  Speaker 1: because he's a free agent at the end of the year,
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  Speaker 1: and starting pitchers get paid more than middle inning bullpen guys.
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  Speaker 1: I'm sorry, that's just the facts. Are the facts, right,
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  Speaker 1: So he did by them doing this, he's feeling like
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  Speaker 1: his value is being held down.
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  Speaker 3: And I mean, I'm.
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  Speaker 1: Sure there's a team out there that'll take a starter
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  Speaker 1: that can take the ball every fifth day and give
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  Speaker 1: him some quality innings. There are a lot of teams
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  Speaker 1: out there that will pay for something for him. I
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  Speaker 1: just have never heard of you never, Like, when's the
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  Speaker 1: last time you heard of a guy saying in baseball
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  Speaker 1: I want to be traded? Just doesn't happen that much.
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  Speaker 2: It's making eight million dollars this year on a team
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  Speaker 2: that definitely has to be careful always with their budget,
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  Speaker 2: and they do have a pretty solid starting rotation going
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  Speaker 2: right now and more on the way. Savali is a
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  Speaker 2: free agent after this season Krats, and he's trying to
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  Speaker 2: make sure that he stays on path and remains in
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  Speaker 2: a starting role. In fairness, he strained his left hamstring
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  Speaker 2: and his first adding this season four starts since coming
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  Speaker 2: back on May twenty seven in a three three two
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  Speaker 2: e in nineteen innings. It's pretty good and I think
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  Speaker 2: a team could use him. So I do think he's
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  Speaker 2: going to get traded. Teams at this point in the
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  Speaker 2: season have leverage. They're gonna try to make the Brewers
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  Speaker 2: eat a little bit of the money. But I do
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  Speaker 2: think he gets dealt pretty soon.
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  Speaker 3: You man, starting pitching, I mean, if he's healthy, it's
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  Speaker 3: hard to trade starting pitching if you are trying to
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  Speaker 3: stay in it. I mean, I think I was looking
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  Speaker 3: down the list the guys that have gone down this
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  Speaker 3: year for them. Kingtana went down for a little while,
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  Speaker 3: Logan Henderson's been to the bushes. Who else did they
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  Speaker 3: send down? They sent.
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  Speaker 2: Tobias Myers.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, Myers. Thank you Tobias Myers, who started a who
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  Speaker 3: started a playoff game for him, was the pitcher of
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  Speaker 3: the year for the team. Yes, it's subjective. That is
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  Speaker 3: Baseball's like, that's like a guy sitting and I'm not
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  Speaker 3: saying that Savali said it. I know his agent said it.
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  Speaker 3: But that's like somebody's sitting there going why is that
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  Speaker 3: guy getting called up? I'm hitting two eighty yeah, but
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  Speaker 3: that guy's hitting two ten with fifteen homers. You're hitting
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  Speaker 3: two eighty with one homer. Joh whatever. So subjective, I
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  Speaker 3: need to be traded. This kind of chatter goes on
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  Speaker 3: all the time in the minor leagues. You rarely hear
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  Speaker 3: it in the boot in the big leagues. But I
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  Speaker 3: don't know that anything happens. I don't I don't know
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  Speaker 3: that they that they trade him right now. Could they
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  Speaker 3: get a piece for him, Yeah, But to me, I
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  Speaker 3: think he's more valuable to the Brewers as more depth.
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  Speaker 2: Oh what if he doesn't pan out as a Really
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  Speaker 2: he's not.
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  Speaker 1: Here's here's the problem. The one thing that he could
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  Speaker 1: do is he could just be as miserable as possible
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  Speaker 1: and they'd have to move, which I don't think I
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  Speaker 1: don't know Aeron saval Or. I don't know Sevali from
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  Speaker 1: from anywhere. It's Aaron, by the way, not Adam.
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  Speaker 2: That's why I was like, wait what Oh he said
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  Speaker 2: Adam no on.
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  Speaker 1: The screen as is Adam. Oh yeah, sorry sorry, I
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  Speaker 1: was like, wait what h I don't know Aeron Savali
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  Speaker 1: from anywhere anybody. I mean, I maybe said hi to
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  Speaker 1: him once in my life. But to me, it doesn't
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  Speaker 1: seem like a guy that's going to cause problems and
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  Speaker 1: ruffle feathers. There's been people that you've played that I
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  Speaker 1: played with. I'm sure Crawds have played with them, just
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  Speaker 1: miserable and they're just like, I don't want to be here,
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  Speaker 1: and they ruffle feathers to a point where finally the
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  Speaker 1: team's like, all right, that's enough, you're out of here.
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  Speaker 1: But the thing to me is, yeah, he's valuable to
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  Speaker 1: the Brewers, but I don't know. I think that if
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  Speaker 1: they can get something for him, I think they would,
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  Speaker 1: they would gladly get something for him.
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  Speaker 3: I think I think people are comparing Stroman not asking
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  Speaker 3: for a trade to to Savali asking for a trade
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  Speaker 3: completely different. Stroman just wants to get his starts he
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  Speaker 3: wasn't saying he's not a he's he's not a bullpen guy.
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  Speaker 3: He wants to get his starts because that option gets
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  Speaker 3: picked up. Savally is different. He's a free agent, so
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  Speaker 3: I think that the situations are different. But I don't know.
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  Speaker 3: I just am I like that as agents stuck up
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  Speaker 2: What would you, guys do? What would you do right?
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  Speaker 2: You're in the thick of your career. This is your
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  Speaker 2: one time as a pitcher to make some good coin.
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  Speaker 2: You're going to be free agent after this season. Your
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  Speaker 2: numbers are decent. What would you do?
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  Speaker 1: Would you want to start right? I'd want to start.
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  Speaker 1: I'd do the same thing he did. I'd say, listen, guys,
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  Speaker 1: I've been a brewer not very long, but I would
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  Speaker 1: love to get the opportunities' fe and be honest. Go
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  Speaker 1: to Matt Arnold, say listen, I'm a free agent at
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  Speaker 1: the end of the year. I need to start for
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  Speaker 1: my value.
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  Speaker 2: Oh it's time. We haven't done roleplay in a while. Okay,
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  Speaker 2: I'm Matt Arnold ready and I'm a nice guy on
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  Speaker 2: the show, totally appreciate you. You're pitching, well, we just
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  Speaker 2: have a roster crunch right now and we want to
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  Speaker 2: bring up MISERASKI we can't start you at the moment.
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  Speaker 1: Then you say they trade me, okay, And then if
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  Speaker 1: he says we're going to put you in the bullpen,
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  Speaker 1: all you got to do is say I when they
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  Speaker 1: call now, I won't come in.
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  Speaker 2: Well you have to come in. You can get fined
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  Speaker 2: and suspended for not playing.
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  Speaker 1: Then they'll trade you. Right Listen, you can make life
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  Speaker 1: as miserable for the team. They have all the power.
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  Speaker 1: I get that, but they also don't want somebody being
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  Speaker 1: miserable around the guys. To trust me, I've seen it.
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  Speaker 1: They'll be like, oh, this guy, let's get rid of
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  Speaker 1: him because he's not doesn't fit in with the people, right.
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  Speaker 2: So he's doing nothing wrong. He's gonna go.
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  Speaker 1: I have no problem with him at doing this at all.
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  Speaker 1: I have no problem with Aaronzabali asking for trade if.
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  Speaker 2: He had a six and a half ERA in fifteen
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  Speaker 2: starts this season. It's a tougher case because I would say,
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  Speaker 2: if I'm Matt Arnold, hey, you're not pitching well. I
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  Speaker 2: can't trade you and you're making eight million dollars, you
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  Speaker 2: want to give me the money back, then it's a
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  Speaker 2: different case. Right. It helps that he's performed pretty well.
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  Speaker 1: He's been consistently pretty good over his career.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, there's a.
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  Speaker 1: Lot of teams out there that could take Aaron Savali
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  Speaker 1: right now and plug him into the back end of
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  Speaker 1: their rotation and say, for eight million dollars, we're upgrading
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  Speaker 1: where we're at right now.
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  Speaker 2: He's been an interesting guy, Kratz. If you follow his career,
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  Speaker 2: he's pitched for some of the Saber metric pitching Darling organizations. Milwaukee,
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  Speaker 2: Tampa Bay, Cleveland. I don't want to say they gave
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  Speaker 2: up on him.
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  Speaker 1: I thought the Cleveland to Tampa Bay trade was interesting
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  Speaker 1: for me, and then the Tampa Bay to Milwaukee trade
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  Speaker 1: because he would think Cleveland he was he was pretty
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  Speaker 1: good in Cleveland, he was one of their better guys,
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  Speaker 1: and he went to Tampa Bay and he did. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: I don't know it is eight million dollars that much
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  Speaker 1: for a guy that you can pencil into give you
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  Speaker 1: a low four or under four era.
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  Speaker 2: For his career, he hasn't performed up to what those
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  Speaker 2: organizations think he's capable of and they haven't been able
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  Speaker 2: to totally crack it yet. Even this year. We're talking
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  Speaker 2: about a super small sample size. Krats. He is a
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  Speaker 2: stuff plus darling. And you know Cyrus who's been on
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  Speaker 2: this show is big on on that stat and works
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  Speaker 2: on it. But there are definitely organizations to either use
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  Speaker 2: that or have a variation of that behind the scenes,
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  Speaker 2: and they go, this guy has stuff, can we corral
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  Speaker 2: it and turn him into a better starter than what
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  Speaker 2: the numbers have been for him, right because if you
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  Speaker 2: look at what his numbers have produced up and down,
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  Speaker 2: I mean look at the eras or the ERA plus is.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, he's a four point zero six ERA for
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  Speaker 1: his career. Most teams would take that. That's sowfu.
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  Speaker 2: That's like what a four or five starter?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's what I'm saying for a back end starter.
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  Speaker 1: There's a lot of teams Krafts, Am I wrong? There's
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  Speaker 1: a lot of teams that can that are in the
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  Speaker 1: competing window right now. You think the Orioles wouldn't take
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  Speaker 1: that right now.
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  Speaker 2: No doubt. My only point on this part is that
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  Speaker 2: those three teams have to find a guy like that
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  Speaker 2: for eight million bucks and make him a number two starter,
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  Speaker 2: and they have been able to figure that part out.
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  Speaker 2: He is not that four or five, but he's not
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  Speaker 2: that right, So for other teams krats, I mean Aaron
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  Speaker 2: Sabah organization by organization right now, could be the number
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  Speaker 2: four or five starter and at least half the teams
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  Speaker 2: in the league right.
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  Speaker 3: No, for sure, he's got to be out there. Though.
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  Speaker 3: The one column last year was the first time that
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  Speaker 3: he eclipsed thirty starts. Before that, it was twenty twenty one,
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  Speaker 3: twenty three, Like, so his value going up. I get it,
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  Speaker 3: guys don't make thirty starts anymore. But you think of
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  Speaker 3: a guy who's kind of like smoking mirrors a little
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  Speaker 3: bit when you're looking at stuff wise, then you have
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  Speaker 3: to say, Okay, what other value does he bring to me?
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  Speaker 3: And I think that I think that's why Cleveland cut
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  Speaker 3: baiton Ram. The Rays were like, hey, we'll pick somebody up.
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  Speaker 3: We'll pick somebody up that we see has those outlying metrics.
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  Speaker 3: But I just think I disagree. I don't think he
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  Speaker 3: asked for a trade. I think, really this team, I
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  Speaker 3: understand why he's doing it, but that doesn't mean I
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  Speaker 3: and maybe that's maybe that's me coming from a different
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  Speaker 3: spot in my career where it was always like when
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  Speaker 3: you're on a team, you're on a team, and that
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  Speaker 3: loyalty maybe maybe hurts his value if he if he
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  Speaker 3: is like that, But.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know.
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  Speaker 3: I have a hard time believing that just because the
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  Speaker 3: last if he spends he's not going to spend the
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  Speaker 3: last four months of the season in the bullpen. I mean,
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  Speaker 3: if that happens, the Brewers might be in first place.
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  Speaker 2: I just haven't not necessarily a path, Kratz. I'll just
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  Speaker 2: stop you there. There is not necessarily a path, Freddy Peralta.
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  Speaker 2: They've liked what they've seen from Chad Patrick and Quinn Priester,
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  Speaker 2: and they've used d L. Hall as a piggyback Jose Kintana.
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  Speaker 2: They booted Logan Henderson from their rotation now right Misski's up.
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  Speaker 2: Henderson had a one to seven winn e RA in
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  Speaker 2: his first four big league starts. Tobias Myers I think
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  Speaker 2: at some point, I know, but if he does figure
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  Speaker 2: that out, of of course, if they strike, yeah, Nester
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  Speaker 2: Cortes should come back at some.
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  Speaker 1: Point throwing What about Big Wu?
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  Speaker 2: Big Wu apparently just got moved to the sixty dail,
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  Speaker 2: but still at some point might come back again. I
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  Speaker 2: think so.
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  Speaker 1: I just saw no, I know he was literally that
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  Speaker 1: was his last rehab start and he took a line
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  Speaker 1: drop off his elbow. But I didn't know they put
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  Speaker 1: him on. He's been on the sixty.
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  Speaker 3: Day ail, right, must have, because I just saw it
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  Speaker 3: come across that he he got put on the sixty
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  Speaker 3: And I don't know if that was a roster something
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  Speaker 3: to do just.
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  Speaker 2: Got announced, MISRASKI called up the option.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, he's been out long enough now where that's
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  Speaker 1: a paper move.
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  Speaker 2: Right, well, because the way sixty I l works is
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  Speaker 2: you have to clear that in the off season, right.
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  Speaker 2: Remember that was the whole thing with Strasburg. It's like,
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  Speaker 2: do you want him taking up a roster spot and
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  Speaker 2: you clear that? So then for wood drift And initially
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  Speaker 2: they thought he wouldn't be on another sixty dail because
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  Speaker 2: they thought he would come back early.
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  Speaker 3: Whatever.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, now they transferred him to the sixties, which is
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  Speaker 2: just a roster. It's more of a paper paper move.
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  Speaker 2: He's still can come back soon. But anyway, Krat, sorry
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  Speaker 2: to cut you off. My point was, I don't know
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  Speaker 2: if there's necessarily a path for him in the next
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  Speaker 2: month and a half before the trade deadline, and then
• 16:10
  Speaker 2: after the trade deadline, you can't really get moved.
• 16:13
  Speaker 3: So then so then yes they can trade him. But
• 16:15
  Speaker 3: if they don't have that kind of depth they believe,
• 16:17
  Speaker 3: I mean, that's that's a hope, a wish. They have
• 16:20
  Speaker 3: a lot of hopes and wishes in the depth department. Yes,
• 16:23
  Speaker 3: based on what you just said, but you can't he
• 16:27
  Speaker 3: can't expect to be traded without seeing three starts from Mesaski,
• 16:31
  Speaker 3: without seeing Nestra Cortes back on a big league mound,
• 16:35
  Speaker 3: big wu getting called up and throwing more than four innings.
• 16:38
  Speaker 3: He can't expect to be traded. He has value for
• 16:41
  Speaker 3: the team right now, whether it's right or it's wrong.
• 16:45
  Speaker 3: There's plenty of guys in situations that are like, oh, man,
• 16:48
  Speaker 3: if I get traded, that'd be the best thing ever.
• 16:51
  Speaker 3: Pump the brakes, Pump the brakes. The grass isn't always greener, yeah,
• 16:54
  Speaker 3: but it's a different situation. This guy's are better. And
• 16:56
  Speaker 3: this isn't a young guy that's just running his mouth.
• 16:58
  Speaker 2: About to hit free agents.
• 16:59
  Speaker 1: This guy's around, he's about to be a free agent. Yeah,
• 17:01
  Speaker 1: that's that's the thing. Hey, if he wasn't a free
• 17:03
  Speaker 1: agent at the end of this year, he'd be like, Okay,
• 17:05
  Speaker 1: I'll do it. But he's a free agent at the
• 17:07
  Speaker 1: end of the year, so that's why he wants to start.
• 17:11
  Speaker 2: Hey, here's one that will only have a couple of minutes.
• 17:14
  Speaker 2: For we had seen the injury what about a week ago.
• 17:16
  Speaker 2: There you go, Kratz. Jackson job Tommy John surgery, which
• 17:21
  Speaker 2: sucks because at this time of year, now you're wiping
• 17:23
  Speaker 2: out next year as well. So you're looking at twenty
• 17:25
  Speaker 2: twenty seven.
• 17:26
  Speaker 1: For he was supposed to really help their rotation and
• 17:28
  Speaker 1: be a guy.
• 17:29
  Speaker 3: He was a dude.
• 17:30
  Speaker 2: Top pitching prospects in baseball last year. Yeah, really, him
• 17:35
  Speaker 2: and Andrew Painter have received the most type. Painters should
• 17:38
  Speaker 2: come back at some point in reason. Yeah, he's coming back.
• 17:42
  Speaker 2: He struggled all in the miners, I think throwing strikes.
• 17:44
  Speaker 2: But he is supposed to come back at some point
• 17:46
  Speaker 2: for the Phillies, maybe in the second half. But anyway,
• 17:49
  Speaker 2: the Tigers lose job. The glass half full approach here, Kratz.
• 17:54
  Speaker 2: The Tigers are really damn good and they've got enough
• 17:57
  Speaker 2: depth to be able to make things happen, and plus
• 18:01
  Speaker 2: enough depth in their system to make trades at the deadline,
• 18:03
  Speaker 2: which I think they would have done either way. They'll
• 18:05
  Speaker 2: try and get somebody that can pitch a playoff game
• 18:07
  Speaker 2: for them.
• 18:09
  Speaker 3: Yeah, if that's available, that's a team that's gonna do it.
• 18:12
  Speaker 3: I mean they're they're clearly are pushing their chips all in.
• 18:15
  Speaker 3: Only got a few more years of schoogle, So you
• 18:18
  Speaker 3: have your ace. You need somebody around them with him
• 18:20
  Speaker 3: and Flaherty and Casey my is throwing, well, they'll they'll
• 18:24
  Speaker 3: fill in there whatever their need is and they just
• 18:26
  Speaker 3: add to their bullpen.
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• 19:34
  Speaker 2: for Yes, said Ben Rice hasn't started a game at
• 19:36
  Speaker 2: catcher this season, but with Gihn Carlo Stanton's return looming,
• 19:40
  Speaker 2: Aaron Boone said Rice con starting games behind the dish
• 19:43
  Speaker 2: Kratz casual mid season. Throw them into the catch a roll,
• 19:46
  Speaker 2: No big deal.
• 19:49
  Speaker 3: It's hotback there. Boys are gonna be slinging that rock
• 19:52
  Speaker 3: up there. You'd better be ready to go for me. Yeah,
• 19:56
  Speaker 3: his receiving might be legit. He might be able to
• 19:58
  Speaker 3: keep that going off machines and bullpens and everything, blocking, adjusting,
• 20:05
  Speaker 3: throwing in game all that stuff, Stuff that isn't valued
• 20:10
  Speaker 3: metrically gets quick, game calling gets quick. You're not you're
• 20:16
  Speaker 3: not You're not making the decisions when you're out there
• 20:18
  Speaker 3: at d H and first base. It'll be interesting to see,
• 20:21
  Speaker 3: But everybody I've talked to with the Yankees says he's
• 20:24
  Speaker 3: ready to go. He's kept himself ready, so it'll be interesting.
• 20:31
  Speaker 3: I don't know.
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: It's it's hard. What did Ron Washington say? First base
• 20:34
  Speaker 1: is incredibly hard? If first base is incredibly hard, then
• 20:37
  Speaker 1: multiply that times a thousand to be a big league catcher,
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: and you haven't done it in almost two years, Like,
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: I don't think he's ever caught a big league game?
• 20:44
  Speaker 3: Has he?
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: Has he ever caught a big league game? Like this is?
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: Playing first base is incredibly hard. Playing catcher is multiplied
• 20:51
  Speaker 1: that by a million, with the scouting reports, umpires, having
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: to hit, having the block balls, having a throw, having
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: a worry about holding runners, haven't a worry about time else.
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: He's very smart, but something I understand that, But it's
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: not just something you could jump into right live fire.
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: I mean, this is live fire.
• 21:13
  Speaker 2: We've got a feel good picture of Andrew McCutchen with
• 21:16
  Speaker 2: a fan who caught his home run ball that passed
• 21:20
  Speaker 2: Roberto Clemente for third most in Pittsburgh Pirates history, and
• 21:25
  Speaker 2: apparently it was stuck under the bleachers. I don't think
• 21:28
  Speaker 2: they're filling the seats right now in Pittsburgh. So this
• 21:32
  Speaker 2: guy grabbed it and then gave it to Cutch home
• 21:35
  Speaker 2: run number two forty one.
• 21:37
  Speaker 3: Nobody could find it. There was people scurrying around. It
• 21:40
  Speaker 3: looked like ants trying to find it. It was because
• 21:43
  Speaker 3: it banged around in those metal bleachers that are under there,
• 21:45
  Speaker 3: and so people were like looking under there. When Cutch
• 21:48
  Speaker 3: comes back on, let's remind him that's probably just a
• 21:51
  Speaker 3: ball from BP. It's probably not his actual home run ball.
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: That's what I was going to say. How do they
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: know that's the real ball?
• 21:57
  Speaker 2: How do they?
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: They don't? They don't they what if someone out there
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: with the real ball?
• 22:03
  Speaker 3: They don't.
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: But first of all, let's say this congrats catch. Yeah,
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: well deserved a Pittsburgh legend.
• 22:11
  Speaker 2: To the bed. MGM signed nice and just.
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: Just a great all around fella and awesome. Happy for him,
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: and you know he's listen. I'm happy that he got
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: to go back to Pittsburgh and end his career, and
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: they're pretty much said you can play as long as
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: you want to play, which is the best part, right
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: he deserves it.
• 22:28
  Speaker 2: Yeah, well he's still contributing nicely. See that right now.
• 22:32
  Speaker 2: I mean I'm seeing him hit. I feel like just
• 22:35
  Speaker 2: as well as anybody on that team. Still listen, Slim Pickens,
• 22:39
  Speaker 2: I know, thirty eight years old, one thirteen ops plus
• 22:42
  Speaker 2: on base thirty five plus percent at the time. Useful.
• 22:46
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's what he said.
• 22:47
  Speaker 2: That's what he said.
• 22:49
  Speaker 3: That's what he said.
• 22:50
  Speaker 2: That's what he said. We're going to run a clip
• 22:55
  Speaker 2: from Trevor Mays may Day about Tommy john surgery. We're
• 22:59
  Speaker 2: getting another run. Them popping up again right now at
• 23:02
  Speaker 2: this point of the year. No, no, I know it's
• 23:05
  Speaker 2: every year, but I'm saying, there seems to be pockets
• 23:08
  Speaker 2: where suddenly it's Corbyn Burns Jackson job.
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: Well, this is about that time where pitchers are getting
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: to seventy innings ish, so they're starting.
• 23:20
  Speaker 3: Getting We're also getting pictures thrown complete games. How many
• 23:24
  Speaker 3: complete games have we seen in the last like three
• 23:26
  Speaker 3: or four days. Oh wait, they're throwing more because they
• 23:30
  Speaker 3: haven't thrown a lot before. No way, there's a correlation
• 23:33
  Speaker 3: to it. There's no way.
• 23:36
  Speaker 2: Yeah, they should definitely all be three inning babies in
• 23:39
  Speaker 2: the minor leagues.
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: They are pretty much are.
• 23:41
  Speaker 2: I'm saying, it's fantastically it's ridiculous, it's craziness, but that
• 23:46
  Speaker 2: is true. Kratz. We should give props David Peterson CG.
• 23:49
  Speaker 2: We did Andrew batt Abbott to lead off the show yesterday.
• 23:54
  Speaker 2: Spencer Schwellenbach went the distance yesterday for the Bravos.
• 23:58
  Speaker 3: I thought there's four I'm wrong in the past week.
• 24:01
  Speaker 3: It's just crazy that we're talking about a complete game
• 24:04
  Speaker 3: like it's like it's an anomaly, Like he threw a
• 24:09
  Speaker 3: complete game. He's out there in the ninth inning and
• 24:12
  Speaker 3: he has ninety five pitches in a one to nothing game.
• 24:17
  Speaker 3: What are they doing? Terry Francona want to win?
• 24:21
  Speaker 2: Have you alls said noticed on this thing?
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: We just talked about the Josh Paul streak out thingy.
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: In two thousand and five in the ALCS, we played
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: five We beat the Angels in five games. Okay, game
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: we lost Game one, and we had a reliever throw
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: one third of an inning. The next four games our
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: starters went CG. That'll never happen again. Burley Contreras, Freddy Garcia,
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: John Garlon all went CG nine innings. That'll never happen again.
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: Think about that. Twenty years ago we had a five
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: game series and we used a bullpen guy for a
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: third of an inning, one guy for one third of
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: an inning in five games, and then all four starters
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: went cgu never happening again. That's how much times have changed.
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: And some of those were one hundred and twenty pitch.
• 25:08
  Speaker 2: Well, that's the key. You can't do that anymore. You
• 25:11
  Speaker 2: can't go that deep.
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: But guys enough leads to where we could let him
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: stay out.
• 25:15
  Speaker 2: Sure, but guys are trying to get more efficient. I mean,
• 25:17
  Speaker 2: the leader in this category and it's so quick. We
• 25:20
  Speaker 2: spoke to Paul Skins before the season started. He's like,
• 25:22
  Speaker 2: I studied the game's best. Their strike percentage was higher
• 25:25
  Speaker 2: than mine. Their first pitch strike percentage was higher than mine.
• 25:28
  Speaker 2: He's talking as if he's been in the league forever.
• 25:29
  Speaker 2: It's like you were a rookie, and hey, we're seeing
• 25:32
  Speaker 2: it play out. I mean, obviously the sinker's much more
• 25:35
  Speaker 2: in play for him this year, but the biggest factor
• 25:36
  Speaker 2: for Paul Skeens is, you know, he's not throwing as
• 25:38
  Speaker 2: hard as he did last year trying to he was
• 25:40
  Speaker 2: hitting one on one, one or two. I don't think
• 25:42
  Speaker 2: he's officially hit. As of a week ago, he had
• 25:44
  Speaker 2: not officially hit one hundred point zero. He's he's been
• 25:47
  Speaker 2: ninety nine point seven, eight nine, whatever. But he was strong,
• 25:50
  Speaker 2: harder last year. He's become more efficient. Maybe he's thrown
• 25:54
  Speaker 2: like a drop less hard. He still throws hard as hell,
• 25:57
  Speaker 2: and he's going deep.
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: Into outings and he's still not winning.
• 26:00
  Speaker 2: I mean, the team results are irrelevant, but we're just watching.
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: No, they're not irrelevant, but I mean they.
• 26:06
  Speaker 2: Are for his team this year because they're not a
• 26:08
  Speaker 2: playoff team, so it's a wasted season, but they're relevant
• 26:11
  Speaker 2: for the other side. I'm just saying it's interesting. Let's
• 26:14
  Speaker 2: get Trevor May on this topic.
• 26:16
  Speaker 4: Teams will begin factoring in surgery as a likely option
• 26:20
  Speaker 4: for older guys, especially the Geir Goles and whatever, and
• 26:22
  Speaker 4: so the contracts are going to be built with that
• 26:25
  Speaker 4: year in mind. If they haven't had Tommy John and
• 26:28
  Speaker 4: they're thirty three, thirty two and we're signing them to
• 26:30
  Speaker 4: a four year deal, there's a very good chance that
• 26:32
  Speaker 4: they're going to need it at some point in this
• 26:34
  Speaker 4: period of time, and that is factored into the contract.
• 26:37
  Speaker 4: It's probably already started happening. It is just one of
• 26:40
  Speaker 4: the things that happens with baseball. It might not happen,
• 26:43
  Speaker 4: but it's more likely to happen. In my opinion, believe
• 26:48
  Speaker 4: it or not, two thirds of all reconstructions are done
• 26:50
  Speaker 4: on kids sixteen to twenty years old, non professional players.
• 26:54
  Speaker 4: It all comes back to the incentives and guys pushing
• 26:57
  Speaker 4: them so so hard so they can play at the
• 26:58
  Speaker 4: next level. We have to find a way to divorce
• 27:02
  Speaker 4: these incentives for pushing yourself too hard from being able
• 27:08
  Speaker 4: to move on to the next level. But I don't
• 27:11
  Speaker 4: know how to do it. But that is what needs
• 27:13
  Speaker 4: to happen, and unfortunately it's really hard to do. So
• 27:19
  Speaker 4: what can a player do on their own in order
• 27:21
  Speaker 4: to make sure they are in position to stay healthy.
• 27:26
  Speaker 4: Make sure you are warming up sufficiently in your whole
• 27:29
  Speaker 4: the whole kinetic chain is working as it should, and
• 27:32
  Speaker 4: then take your recovery extremely seriously. If your sore, take
• 27:37
  Speaker 4: a day off from throwing, because the more it's not
• 27:40
  Speaker 4: about throwing through soreness, it's about your body changing because
• 27:44
  Speaker 4: you are sore. And if you if you don't pay
• 27:47
  Speaker 4: attention to that stuff, your body will start to shut
• 27:50
  Speaker 4: things down and you will not be conscious of it.
• 27:52
  Speaker 4: And that is what causes his injury most.
• 27:54
  Speaker 2: Of the time. Heyesus, Lizardo pitching well again after two
• 28:00
  Speaker 2: starts that crats many thought were so bad they thought
• 28:04
  Speaker 2: maybe he's tipping. And then we've got some pictures here
• 28:06
  Speaker 2: from our friend pitching Ninja. That shoe he made an adjustment.
• 28:10
  Speaker 2: Whether it was getting picked up or not, he made
• 28:13
  Speaker 2: an adjustment. Explain it to us.
• 28:15
  Speaker 3: On the change up, the one on the left is
• 28:18
  Speaker 3: the one that's surrounded and red. His glove hand is
• 28:22
  Speaker 3: down by his belt or his glove is down by
• 28:24
  Speaker 3: the belt. The one on the right is his new change.
• 28:27
  Speaker 3: His glove is tilted his change up, not just a change,
• 28:30
  Speaker 3: his change up, and his glove is tilted up to
• 28:34
  Speaker 3: hide his hand. And if you actually play the video,
• 28:36
  Speaker 3: I don't know if we have that or not, but
• 28:39
  Speaker 3: the video shows he pulls his hand out of his
• 28:43
  Speaker 3: glove as he's going to pitch. As soon as you
• 28:46
  Speaker 3: can see that. You can see you know from a
• 28:49
  Speaker 3: hitter standpoint, that ball's you know, it's hard because he's
• 28:53
  Speaker 3: left you, so I'll do it righty. But that ball's
• 28:55
  Speaker 3: coming out now he's going like this and pitching and
• 28:59
  Speaker 3: before his hand yeah you'll see the video here, his
• 29:02
  Speaker 3: hand stays in his glove where before his hand was
• 29:06
  Speaker 3: coming out, and that just is like red flags. Dude,
• 29:11
  Speaker 3: just lay off, lay off that change up, which coincidentally,
• 29:16
  Speaker 3: I think he got four or five of his strikeouts
• 29:20
  Speaker 3: on change ups. And it allows you to sit on
• 29:25
  Speaker 3: you know, of his tent. It allows you to sit
• 29:27
  Speaker 3: on the heater better if you know a change up's
• 29:29
  Speaker 3: coming and you just take it.
• 29:32
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  Speaker 2: We actually brought this up yesterday. Who gets credit? Krats
• 30:39
  Speaker 2: watching Soto versus Mackenzie Gordon. We don't know if this
• 30:42
  Speaker 2: is why, But do you think that Peter Alnzo was
• 30:45
  Speaker 2: hit intentionally in yesterday's game? I think it's amiss from Rutledge.
• 30:52
  Speaker 3: Watch.
• 30:54
  Speaker 2: Yeah, he was ahead O two in the seventh, I
• 30:56
  Speaker 2: mean they were down five.
• 30:58
  Speaker 1: Watch the picture was trying to hit hit him that
• 31:01
  Speaker 1: is in. Ron Darling's reaction is he wouldn't you gotta
• 31:05
  Speaker 1: pitch pete In? You gotta show him something in San
• 31:08
  Speaker 1: goes down by the way grabbing his hamstring. That's not good.
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: But yeah, this is not intending. I'm sorry, it's not
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: you gotta show pete In, especially with two strikes you
• 31:18
  Speaker 1: want to run one in what Just if you ever
• 31:21
  Speaker 1: want to know if a pitcher is throwing, just watch
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: the picture. They give it away, just like I always
• 31:27
  Speaker 1: tell people, if you want to know a ball is
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: hit off the bat, fair, foul, homer, watch the hitter.
• 31:31
  Speaker 1: He'll tell you. As a hitter, you know right away
• 31:34
  Speaker 1: if it's foul. You don't even move and everyone gets oh.
• 31:36
  Speaker 1: The hitters standing there like oh practice, they'll give it
• 31:40
  Speaker 1: to you right away. And my wrong, crowds like the hitters,
• 31:43
  Speaker 1: and the pictures give it to.
• 31:43
  Speaker 3: You right away. That's what That's why I'm so confused
• 31:47
  Speaker 3: when in the big leagues umpires miss calls because you
• 31:52
  Speaker 3: can see you just see the reaction. The game is
• 31:54
  Speaker 3: played at such a rhythm that everything you always see
• 31:57
  Speaker 3: the reaction. Again, back to the guys rowing at him,
• 32:01
  Speaker 3: This one where the guy throws and he goes, oh,
• 32:04
  Speaker 3: yeah missed it, or oh he looks down at the
• 32:07
  Speaker 3: dirt his foot, Yeah, because something was wrong with the dirt,
• 32:11
  Speaker 3: and that's why you hit him, you know, right away,
• 32:14
  Speaker 3: when you tried to hit a guy.
• 32:17
  Speaker 2: So Ron Darling's long time Big leaguer and then been
• 32:21
  Speaker 2: a broadcast for a long time. I know him quite well.
• 32:24
  Speaker 2: I did a lot of work with him. He was
• 32:26
  Speaker 2: not happy about it. And his quote was Ronnie or
• 32:28
  Speaker 2: the quote from Gary Cohen was Ronnie's going to be
• 32:30
  Speaker 2: a fire firing in baseball at somebody before you know it.
• 32:32
  Speaker 2: And Ron was explaining how it's like, you know, once
• 32:35
  Speaker 2: you live that as a player, you just can never
• 32:39
  Speaker 2: escape when a guy gets hit. You know, he just
• 32:41
  Speaker 2: he felt it.
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: Yeah. I get that part of it because I listen.
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: I understand that part of it. Yeah, But also Rom
• 32:47
  Speaker 1: pitched for a long time and understands a game, and
• 32:49
  Speaker 1: he should know that they're not trying to hit him
• 32:51
  Speaker 1: right there. Again, we went through the whole scenario yesterday,
• 32:55
  Speaker 1: and I just I don't see it in today's game.
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: They don't do this anymore. It's just not a thing.
• 33:03
  Speaker 3: They do it.
• 33:04
  Speaker 2: But it's like once or twice a year.
• 33:05
  Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, but there's something that happens. It's so
• 33:07
  Speaker 1: blatantly obvious. And then the pitcher Mackenzie Gore last year
• 33:10
  Speaker 1: when he threw it Profar the first pitch of the
• 33:12
  Speaker 1: game and he drilled them or he missed him, did he?
• 33:16
  Speaker 1: And then he hit him the next pitch. Gor didn't
• 33:18
  Speaker 1: get kicked out. Profar and Schild got kicked out, but
• 33:21
  Speaker 1: Core stayed in the game. Like there are times where
• 33:23
  Speaker 1: you know, as a hit, listen, there are times as
• 33:26
  Speaker 1: a hitter, this dude's throwing at me, and I know it.
• 33:30
  Speaker 1: If you don't like it, go get them. We're just
• 33:32
  Speaker 1: wearing go to first.
• 33:33
  Speaker 3: That's it. I don't think Darlings. I don't think Ron was.
• 33:37
  Speaker 3: I don't think Ron was necessarily saying they were throwing
• 33:39
  Speaker 3: at him. I felt like he was saying, you play
• 33:42
  Speaker 3: the game for so long and you still get mad
• 33:45
  Speaker 3: at that situation. I think he was mad that one
• 33:48
  Speaker 3: of their home run hitters got hit. That is what
• 33:53
  Speaker 3: has changed. That's what's changed. Pitchers from Little league going up,
• 34:00
  Speaker 3: all they are taught is throw the ball as hard
• 34:02
  Speaker 3: as they can when their adding's over, that's it. And
• 34:04
  Speaker 3: they're almost like viewed as not part of the team.
• 34:07
  Speaker 3: Ron Darling played in a time when I'm protecting my superstars,
• 34:11
  Speaker 3: so he, I think was expressing the sentiment that he
• 34:15
  Speaker 3: felt towards the fact that one of their stars got
• 34:19
  Speaker 3: drilled on a pitch up and in when the Mets
• 34:21
  Speaker 3: I think had three or four homers that night. So
• 34:25
  Speaker 3: that's I don't think. I don't feel like Ron felt
• 34:27
  Speaker 3: like it was a intentional hit by pitch. I think
• 34:31
  Speaker 3: Ron felt like, no, no, no, no, no, somebody has
• 34:34
  Speaker 3: to protect our stars, which I.
• 34:36
  Speaker 1: Can right, probably right, because that makes it doesn't happen anymore. Listen,
• 34:42
  Speaker 1: I played against some of the best put John Carlos
• 34:45
  Speaker 1: stant when he was at the Marlins, right. We would
• 34:47
  Speaker 1: have a meeting and I would tell our pitchers, you
• 34:49
  Speaker 1: gotta throw one up and in early in the game.
• 34:52
  Speaker 1: It's got to be the first day of the first
• 34:54
  Speaker 1: game of the first series, because we got to send
• 34:57
  Speaker 1: a message to him that you guys can't lean out
• 34:59
  Speaker 1: over the plate and you throw one up and in
• 35:01
  Speaker 1: and not trying to hit him. And I'm talking I'm
• 35:03
  Speaker 1: not even talking like I'm talking like chest up in here,
• 35:06
  Speaker 1: just to get him to go like this, Miguel Caberra.
• 35:09
  Speaker 3: Same way.
• 35:09
  Speaker 1: You got to make him aware in here, because if
• 35:11
  Speaker 1: you don't, those dudes were going to right field and
• 35:13
  Speaker 1: they're hitting laser beams like left handed pull hitters. You
• 35:16
  Speaker 1: got and it was Stanton. The thing was you throw
• 35:18
  Speaker 1: one in here, and then if you did it again,
• 35:21
  Speaker 1: you have because you would get him to swing and everything,
• 35:24
  Speaker 1: because then he would get mad, right because he'd already
• 35:27
  Speaker 1: is after he had been hitting the face and that
• 35:28
  Speaker 1: whole ordeal, which is awful. But then you could get
• 35:32
  Speaker 1: once he got mad and you got him to chase
• 35:33
  Speaker 1: one game over, you could throw him anything he's swinging
• 35:37
  Speaker 1: because he can get mad, right, And maybe you had
• 35:39
  Speaker 1: to make a wear in. And I agree with what
• 35:41
  Speaker 1: you just said. Christ Maybe we're looking at this the
• 35:43
  Speaker 1: wrong way. That was probably the right way. And what
• 35:45
  Speaker 1: he's saying is right because that doesn't happen anymore. There's
• 35:48
  Speaker 1: nothing wrong with going in on guys off the plate.
• 35:52
  Speaker 2: Man.
• 35:52
  Speaker 1: I'm must say. I'm not advocating anyway, but throw one in.
• 35:54
  Speaker 1: It's okay, Yeah, it's okay. And if it gets away.
• 35:57
  Speaker 3: A little bit story you told about Stanton, that's so funny,
• 36:03
  Speaker 3: Cliff Lee, I don't know if I ever told this
• 36:05
  Speaker 3: on here. Cliff Lee never did scattered reports. He was like,
• 36:09
  Speaker 3: I don't want to do skying reports. He's like, I'm
• 36:10
  Speaker 3: gonna throw my best pitches. I'm gonna throw strikes and
• 36:13
  Speaker 3: that's it. And this was really good, Cliff Lee. This
• 36:16
  Speaker 3: wasn't like coming back from the minor leagues, Cliff Lee.
• 36:18
  Speaker 3: This was Phillis Cliff Lee. And he goes before the
• 36:21
  Speaker 3: Marlins game the one day he goes Mike Stanton. He goes,
• 36:26
  Speaker 3: I don't care what the scattering report says, and you
• 36:28
  Speaker 3: know I don't do scattered reports. He goes, but we're
• 36:30
  Speaker 3: throwing it inside. Obviously you had to. You know, he
• 36:33
  Speaker 3: could run that cutter in. He goes, I'm throwing everything
• 36:35
  Speaker 3: in to in off the plate. He said, I don't
• 36:37
  Speaker 3: care what the scattery report says. I go why, which
• 36:40
  Speaker 3: I was happy that he said that. He goes, because
• 36:42
  Speaker 3: if I leave one out over the plate, I think
• 36:44
  Speaker 3: he's the one guy in the game that may kill me.
• 36:49
  Speaker 3: He said. If he hits a homer on a pitch
• 36:50
  Speaker 3: in and it's pulled, he said, I'm totally fine with it.
• 36:53
  Speaker 3: He said, if I leave one out of a plate,
• 36:55
  Speaker 3: I may never throw another pitch again, and I love
• 36:57
  Speaker 3: my family.
• 36:58
  Speaker 2: Mm hmm.
• 36:58
  Speaker 1: Yeah, we don't want anyone to die.
• 37:00
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's his exit velocity in his prime, even now.
• 37:05
  Speaker 1: But he hit the ball off Shoney Miller in Miami
• 37:08
  Speaker 1: that still might not have landed. It went over the
• 37:11
  Speaker 1: they have an upper deck out there. It went over
• 37:13
  Speaker 1: the upper deck, out the freaking gate out there in centerfield.
• 37:16
  Speaker 1: Hit I think it hit the Orange Bowl sign out there,
• 37:19
  Speaker 1: stuck in the ground.
• 37:21
  Speaker 2: That is insane, all right, So that all tracks then,
• 37:23
  Speaker 2: So for Ronnie just back to the top here, he's
• 37:26
  Speaker 2: looking at it, going damn. If I was playing right now,
• 37:30
  Speaker 2: I'd hit their dude, right, I'm going after someone for
• 37:35
  Speaker 2: hitting Pete and you could. You could break someone's wrists,
• 37:38
  Speaker 2: even if obviously it's unintentional. The point is.
• 37:42
  Speaker 1: Tony Russo we used to have like Tony Russa and
• 37:44
  Speaker 1: the old school guys would be like, you hit my guy,
• 37:45
  Speaker 1: I'm hting three of yours. Wow, I'm just gonna keep
• 37:48
  Speaker 1: throwing at you. How he protected pools, That's how he
• 37:52
  Speaker 1: protected poolholes for all those years, right, and he protected
• 37:55
  Speaker 1: Maguire and he protected his guys. He literally it was
• 37:58
  Speaker 1: non like I remember we David Risky got traded to
• 38:03
  Speaker 1: the White Sox. We're playing the Cardinals. His first pitch
• 38:07
  Speaker 1: with the White Sox, he drilled, uh not Shelley Dunk, Shey,
• 38:11
  Speaker 1: Shelley Duncan, his brother, Chris Duncan. He was brought in
• 38:15
  Speaker 1: and it's something had happened during the game. His first pitch,
• 38:17
  Speaker 1: he freaking smokes them. That was and he got ejected
• 38:20
  Speaker 1: his first pitch as the White Sox, David Risky because
• 38:25
  Speaker 1: they had because we beat the crap out of them.
• 38:27
  Speaker 1: This is six they won the World Series the year
• 38:29
  Speaker 1: we had beaten the crap out in the first two games,
• 38:31
  Speaker 1: and there was a couple of balls that were like
• 38:32
  Speaker 1: throwing at Jim Tolemy and some other guys. Risky's like,
• 38:35
  Speaker 1: I'll handle this. First pitch. It's Chris Duncan. I think
• 38:37
  Speaker 1: he heard them. But that was his first pitch. He
• 38:40
  Speaker 1: who dejected.
• 38:42
  Speaker 2: You want the White So it was a quick friends.
• 38:44
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you made a lot of friends quickly. But it
• 38:46
  Speaker 1: was great.
• 38:47
  Speaker 2: That's good stuff.
• 38:48
  Speaker 1: It wasn't great because I think Chris dunk I think
• 38:51
  Speaker 1: his name was he. I think he got hurt.
• 38:53
  Speaker 2: But it was just one of the you know, listen,
• 38:57
  Speaker 2: don't hit anyone. It only starts when someone misses most
• 39:02
  Speaker 2: of the time nowadays. Yeah, it's not like Pedro Martinez.
• 39:05
  Speaker 1: Guys, they knew how to do it right. It was
• 39:09
  Speaker 1: down here, it's coming whack. Okay, I get it.
• 39:13
  Speaker 2: Move one. A question from Henry I think this was
• 39:29
  Speaker 2: in chap ecc as severyone knows. We're checking that every
• 39:32
  Speaker 2: day said, do you guys believe in catcher e r ra?
• 39:36
  Speaker 3: Okay, no, I don't.
• 39:38
  Speaker 2: You could be catching. I believe in brutal picture.
• 39:42
  Speaker 3: I believe in wins for a catcher behind a dish.
• 39:45
  Speaker 3: I think certain catchers know how to make sure a
• 39:49
  Speaker 3: team stays in the win column, but isn't necessarily worried
• 39:53
  Speaker 3: about earned run average. So that's why I don't like
• 39:56
  Speaker 3: the e R But I do I do. I lean
• 40:01
  Speaker 3: towards wins.
• 40:02
  Speaker 1: Here's the problem I have with both of those.
• 40:04
  Speaker 3: And I I.
• 40:06
  Speaker 1: Understand why people like him, But as somebody, I'll use
• 40:10
  Speaker 1: David Ross as an example. Gets who David Ross caught
• 40:13
  Speaker 1: every time he pitched John Lester. Guess what, he's gonna
• 40:16
  Speaker 1: have a good e R an. He's gonna win a
• 40:18
  Speaker 1: lot of games, versus like when I was on the
• 40:20
  Speaker 1: red Sox, I was getting all the other guys.
• 40:22
  Speaker 3: So mm hmm.
• 40:23
  Speaker 1: Right, So you're like, oh, I'll get a call, I'd
• 40:26
  Speaker 1: get the call up guy, or I'd get the listen,
• 40:29
  Speaker 1: And that's you do the best you can. But if
• 40:31
  Speaker 1: you're only like if you're only catching a certain guy
• 40:34
  Speaker 1: every time, if you're only catching the ace every time,
• 40:37
  Speaker 1: you're Eddie Perez, you're only catching Greg Maddox, But then
• 40:39
  Speaker 1: your Hobby Lopez, you get the other four guys that
• 40:42
  Speaker 1: aren't Greg Maddox. Right, It's it's all relevant. That's why
• 40:46
  Speaker 1: even like I, yes, what you do backup catch with
• 40:48
  Speaker 1: the goal for a backup catcher, crowds to tell you
• 40:50
  Speaker 1: is to win the game they're in and also keep
• 40:52
  Speaker 1: the starting catcher out of the game.
• 40:53
  Speaker 2: Usually yeah, but if you're Hunter Goodman, you're the best
• 40:55
  Speaker 2: hitter on the rockets, you're a catcher. I mean, all
• 40:57
  Speaker 2: of those numbers you just mentioned, they're going to be
• 40:59
  Speaker 2: absolutely atrocious. It has nothing to my point.
• 41:02
  Speaker 3: It's relative. It's relative. And that brings up a question,
• 41:06
  Speaker 3: why does one hundred and fifty million dollar pitcher need
• 41:09
  Speaker 3: a personal catcher?
• 41:13
  Speaker 2: Why not because he can?
• 41:15
  Speaker 3: Why not you guys just got paid one hundred and
• 41:17
  Speaker 3: fifty million dollars. I should be able to put that
• 41:19
  Speaker 3: dude that hangs in the back of the in the
• 41:21
  Speaker 3: back of the batting cage back there, and you should
• 41:23
  Speaker 3: still deal.
• 41:25
  Speaker 2: What if you have more of a problem with.
• 41:29
  Speaker 3: The worth million, then to me, that's that's that's politicking.
• 41:36
  Speaker 3: That's not the whole personal catcher thing. That's politicking. That's like, Oh,
• 41:41
  Speaker 3: I love hanging around my one hundred and fifty million
• 41:44
  Speaker 3: dollar picture. Oh I love being here hanging this guy
• 41:48
  Speaker 3: like it's not I don't know.
• 41:51
  Speaker 2: Well, it's much less of a thing now it.
• 41:54
  Speaker 1: Is, well because the catching duty is much more split.
• 41:56
  Speaker 3: But listen, I played.
• 41:58
  Speaker 1: There's only two times wherever I ever saw. One was
• 42:01
  Speaker 1: with John Lester and David Ross when I was at
• 42:03
  Speaker 1: the Red Sox. I was that was like the big one,
• 42:05
  Speaker 1: and then Julio to I wanted Christian Bethencourt to catch
• 42:08
  Speaker 1: him every time. That didn't go so good. So sometimes
• 42:11
  Speaker 1: it works, sometimes it doesn't.
• 42:14
  Speaker 2: I mean I would go the other way here, like,
• 42:16
  Speaker 2: you're not a one hundred and fifty million dollar picture.
• 42:18
  Speaker 2: You also don't get a personal catcher.
• 42:21
  Speaker 1: Rangers are boat racing. The twins.
• 42:25
  Speaker 2: You know Burger's got the he douys. They're to cross.
• 42:30
  Speaker 2: Yeah for the Pope ever since he's been hitting.
• 42:33
  Speaker 3: Better came back. So I just did that every beat?
• 42:38
  Speaker 2: Did you before the bat? How close to before the bat?
• 42:45
  Speaker 1: When I walk up into the batter's.
• 42:46
  Speaker 2: Box, batter's box, you did it. I gotta look back
• 42:50
  Speaker 2: every bet. I'm digging into the archives today.
• 42:52
  Speaker 3: So long, you're gonna ruin your You're gonna ruin your
• 42:57
  Speaker 3: whole YouTube queue. It's just gonna be aj Prazinski themed
• 43:01
  Speaker 3: YouTube stuff tonight.
• 43:04
  Speaker 2: That's fine. I know how to manage YouTube. I tell
• 43:07
  Speaker 2: them what I like and don't like. Sometimes they give
• 43:09
  Speaker 2: me things and then I pressed the three buttons on
• 43:11
  Speaker 2: the side and I say, no, I actually don't like
• 43:13
  Speaker 2: that stuff. There's a way to counter the algorithm. What
• 43:17
  Speaker 2: are you wearing today?
• 43:19
  Speaker 3: I mean, salth Freelick's on here, Uncle Sal hitting a
• 43:24
  Speaker 3: couple extra dingers, and I would fight against him. I
• 43:26
  Speaker 3: bet he goes to third base before we know it.
• 43:29
  Speaker 2: Wait, hold on, bring it back. There are two letters
• 43:31
  Speaker 2: in that logo. I feel like this comes up every
• 43:34
  Speaker 2: four months.
• 43:38
  Speaker 3: That's why I didn't bring it up.
• 43:40
  Speaker 2: MB Milwaukee Brewers tomorrow.
• 43:44
  Speaker 1: That's that's the best logo in the game.
• 43:46
  Speaker 2: It's a really good one. Whoever made that up?
• 43:48
  Speaker 1: That was that was made back like in the sixties seventies.
• 43:51
  Speaker 2: He's been a minute.
• 43:52
  Speaker 1: It's the best logo in the game. I'm sorry, especially
• 43:54
  Speaker 1: because just the hidden MB.
• 43:56
  Speaker 2: It's still tracks, it still plays.
• 43:58
  Speaker 1: Still slaps.
• 44:01
  Speaker 3: Oh that Jones tight Yep, we.
• 44:03
  Speaker 2: Just murdered more words tomorrow, Ken Rosenthal, maybe Ali Marble
• 44:09
  Speaker 2: all he's ninety. I like my chances Otto Kemp from
• 44:15
  Speaker 2: the Phillies. Good story.
• 44:17
  Speaker 1: Yes, And by the way, Aaron Savalie birthday, Happy birthday today,
• 44:19
  Speaker 1: you're in the bullpen.
• 44:20
  Speaker 3: Way to go.
• 44:21
  Speaker 2: That's a crazy birthday trade request on your birthday bumped
• 44:25
  Speaker 2: to the bullpen.
• 44:27
  Speaker 1: Happy birthday.
• 44:28
  Speaker 2: I'd feel bad, but he is making eight million dollars
• 44:30
  Speaker 2: this year. Like there's worse. There's worse.
• 44:32
  Speaker 1: Price is but I feel for him.
• 44:35
  Speaker 2: No, you get it.
• 44:36
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I see both sides of him.
• 44:38
  Speaker 2: If you miss that. Top of the show. Good debate
• 44:40
  Speaker 2: with these two. Should he ask or should he not ask?
• 44:43
  Speaker 2: For the trade? See you tomorrow, US three tomorrow?
• 44:46
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