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A SMNTY Recap: And Just Like That · Stuff Mom Never Told You

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Speaker 1: Hey, this is Annie and Samantha and welcome to stuff.
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Speaker 1: I've never told your production of I Heart Radio. Yes,
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Speaker 1: and we decided we needed to come back and revisit something.
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Speaker 1: I'm gonna put this, I'm gonna talk to it a
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Speaker 1: little bit, just because there's so much controversy and you know,
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Speaker 1: we love all of this stuff and we love watching
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Speaker 1: new shows. But yeah, the season of and just like
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Speaker 1: that A is a Max original just finished. And by
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Speaker 1: the way, this is not one of our sponsored content.
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Speaker 1: This is just us coming back to it, but just
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Speaker 1: finished up last week. So we decided we need to
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Speaker 1: do a quick wrap up and I say quick, and
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Speaker 1: I'm not sure how quick it is, but definitely a
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Speaker 1: revisit of this season. Um, so first and foremost, if
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Speaker 1: you haven't watched it and are planning to or haven't
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Speaker 1: finished it up and don't want any spoilers, put this
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Speaker 1: on pause and then come back to us, because we're
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Speaker 1: going to go all into it. And so, yes, spoiler alert,
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Speaker 1: that was a very serious spoiler. Yeah, that that was
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Speaker 1: the moment they needed to stop. So hopefully they did. Yes,
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Speaker 1: that's my nanny voice when I would be like, uh no,
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Speaker 1: So we didn't run through of the first two episodes.
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Speaker 1: But here we are and we have a few things
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Speaker 1: to talk about, and instead of trying to summarize the
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Speaker 1: entire season, we're gonna talk about this my characters and
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Speaker 1: their journey in this new chapter. But before we begin,
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Speaker 1: because we're gonna go and I feel like any You're like,
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Speaker 1: what's happening? Because I'm like, we're gonna do this. You're like, okay, cool,
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Speaker 1: because you're very patient with me, and I'm gonna ask
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Speaker 1: for what you would call their themes and all that.
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Speaker 1: But first, before we go into that, what did you
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Speaker 1: think about this show Slash this first season. I I'm
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Speaker 1: like hesitant because I feel how people have such strong
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Speaker 1: opinions on either side. I enjoyed it. I enjoyed it.
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Speaker 1: I think it was it had, you know, it's ups
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Speaker 1: and downs. Some things were uneven, some things were awkward unintentionally,
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Speaker 1: some things were intentionally awkward, But overall, I did enjoy it,
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Speaker 1: and it was interesting for me because, as we've discussed,
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Speaker 1: I haven't seen most of the show before this, so
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Speaker 1: I think that might be one of the reasons I
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Speaker 1: was able to enjoy it more without being like right,
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Speaker 1: the dip part opinions are because they love the characters
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Speaker 1: in their old ways and so they can't see path
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Speaker 1: that And I get it, because you build a character,
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Speaker 1: you trust that character to be as permanent as you
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Speaker 1: would hope and consistent. So yeah, I definitely get that.
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Speaker 1: I I am one of those old hats. Although, like
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Speaker 1: I was talking to a friend of mine who he
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Speaker 1: was hilarious in telling me that he did not watch
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Speaker 1: the entire seasons, all the episodes of Sex in the City,
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Speaker 1: but he watched at least two of the movies, and like, well,
3:08
Speaker 1: that's one more than I've watched or at this point
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Speaker 1: in time, So I feel like he has a better
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Speaker 1: heads up in that realm. But I did and absolutely
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Speaker 1: grow with these women. At one point, they're like ten
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Speaker 1: years older than me, and I was like who ah,
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Speaker 1: And then it bypassed and I was like, the same age,
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Speaker 1: and now they're back to being at least ten years
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Speaker 1: older than me, if not more. So it felt very relevant.
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Speaker 1: I feel like they gave it a little bit of
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Speaker 1: a like a leeway for me, like a road map.
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Speaker 1: I guess I enjoyed this season. There were a lot
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Speaker 1: of moments I had to fast forward because it was
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Speaker 1: to cringe, and I probably shouldn't have, but I was like, no, no,
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Speaker 1: but I can't. I can't, I can't. Why didn't this
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Speaker 1: I forget they did this with all the things. So
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Speaker 1: you haven't seen this episode yet, but in one of
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Speaker 1: the episodes, it's so hard cringe that I almost die inside.
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Speaker 1: We're gonna see it, I believe in season one coming up, yeah,
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Speaker 1: and you'll know. Oh no. So I'm just like, but
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Speaker 1: they have a good throwbacks and they call backs to it.
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Speaker 1: So all that to say, but this season, I don't
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Speaker 1: know they did this on purpose, because that's life. That's
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Speaker 1: life when you really put yourself out there. There's so
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Speaker 1: many cringe moments that you just want to hide under
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Speaker 1: a rock or at least maybe make you feel better
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Speaker 1: about yourself. I don't know, because at least you didn't
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Speaker 1: do that. Whatever it is, it does is make me
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Speaker 1: think of a thing that I think is somewhat related
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Speaker 1: to that they or that. So yeah, let's get into it,
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Speaker 1: and we're gonna go ahead, and uh, start off with
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Speaker 1: the biggest character because she is kind of I guess
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Speaker 1: the forefront Carrie, of course, played by Sarah Jessica Parker
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Speaker 1: and by the way. I did notice that Sarah Jessica
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Speaker 1: Parker was headlined as one of the main executive producers,
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Speaker 1: but both Cynthia Nixon as well as Kristin Davis were
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Speaker 1: both also executive producers as well, so they are definitely
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Speaker 1: all kind of made their way up into it just enough.
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Speaker 1: Y I but what would you say Carry's theme was
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Speaker 1: in the season. I think it was Carrie gets her
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Speaker 1: Groove back. Yes, yes, I would say moving beyond death,
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Speaker 1: love after death. That would be yea love after death.
5:34
Speaker 1: I mean it is right right? Also like fine, you know,
5:39
Speaker 1: find figure else, this whole figures out, this whole podcasting thing,
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Speaker 1: and you know, I'm will say figures out with a
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Speaker 1: very heavy quote folders on us because I'm like, what
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Speaker 1: what anyway in all of this if you had to
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Speaker 1: describe her year in five words? Oh no, what would
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Speaker 1: it be? So this whole thing, the whole thing takes
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Speaker 1: place every year. Mm hm. I feel like it would
6:07
Speaker 1: be one of those um inspirational paintings that I kind
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Speaker 1: of rolled my eyes at. Sometimes she lost she lived
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Speaker 1: last Yeah, that was bad. You gave me a weird
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Speaker 1: limitation at this. I did. I did, And I was
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Speaker 1: gonna say Carrie is single again again. M hmm. That's
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Speaker 1: a good one. That's a good because that's kind of
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Speaker 1: the whole trope of it. So let's get into her
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Speaker 1: after she lost Big at the very beginning. Now she's
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Speaker 1: trying to navigate her life again, and she is really good.
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Speaker 1: The one thing that you're going to find about Carrie
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Speaker 1: is she is very neurotic, and a lot of it,
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Speaker 1: especially when it came to Big. It just came back
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Speaker 1: to her. She just she just needed a trump people.
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Speaker 1: It really really irritated me towards season three or four,
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Speaker 1: and I wanted to punch her in the throat. Even
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Speaker 1: Stanford told her out. It was like, hey, this is
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Speaker 1: not about you, it's about me, and she was like,
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Speaker 1: I'm sorry, you're right, which I think everybody was like, finally,
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Speaker 1: my god, would you quit this same thing with Miranda.
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Speaker 1: Each one of them had to call her out, be
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Speaker 1: like stop it. Even though you are the main character,
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Speaker 1: you're not always the main character type of conversation. And yeah,
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Speaker 1: we did. We had this here again, even to the
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Speaker 1: point that she always talks about winning. I noticed that
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Speaker 1: a lot, whether it's you know, I had the worst breakups,
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Speaker 1: My husband died I had the saddest story, Like she
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Speaker 1: kept saying that throughout, and I do love Anthony's character
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Speaker 1: who's like, you get one more time with me on
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Speaker 1: that like that that was quite delightful. I do want
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Speaker 1: to point out that, yes, they cut out the last
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Speaker 1: Chris not seeing which was supposed to happen on the finale,
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Speaker 1: but you hear his voice singing, and that's it to
8:01
Speaker 1: be big. But they definitely after all the accusations, were like, yeah,
8:05
Speaker 1: we need to go ahead and cut it out, which
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Speaker 1: is a smart decision. Yeah, and I know that it's
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Speaker 1: kind of a running joke, but the peloton suffered a
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Speaker 1: lot from this, and then that he was in their
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Speaker 1: ad to like be like, no, he's fine. Then they
8:22
Speaker 1: pulled the ad and then Pelotons killed somebody else in
8:26
Speaker 1: another show, another big show. I think it's Billions a
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Speaker 1: spoiler alert, um, and then they like lost so much
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Speaker 1: money and now I think they've been sold so so
8:39
Speaker 1: had a huge Peloton. I do want to say to
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Speaker 1: one of the things that I think in the last
8:48
Speaker 1: episode that really stuck out to me because we talked
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Speaker 1: about how you know, it opened with like grieving and
8:53
Speaker 1: it was very I thought an accurate portrayal of how
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Speaker 1: grief can look. When she when the lamp kept coming on,
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Speaker 1: and she was like seeing this as a sign that
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Speaker 1: Big was trying to communicate to her from the afterlife
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Speaker 1: or something. I would do that too, like right after
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Speaker 1: my dad died, even though I don't believe in any
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Speaker 1: of that stuff, but suddenly I was like, this must
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Speaker 1: have meaning. It must so even though I don't believe
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Speaker 1: in any of that stuff, that totally made sense to
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Speaker 1: me that you suddenly or like, I don't know, maybe
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Speaker 1: they're reaching out to me. What are they trying to
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Speaker 1: tell me? Right, She's not at all like supernatural, super
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Speaker 1: like any of that, religious or any of that. They
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Speaker 1: all kind of talk about what happens after death to
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Speaker 1: someone that you love. They do address that and that
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Speaker 1: really pretty well. But are like people change. This is
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Speaker 1: what I need, This is what I need right now.
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Speaker 1: And I think I've said that a lot about religion,
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Speaker 1: like that's not necessarily for me, And but I remember
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Speaker 1: how important my faith was at one point in time,
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Speaker 1: and it helped me carried me through some rough points
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Speaker 1: of my life. Do I go back and credit faith
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Speaker 1: for that necessarily? No, it was just what I needed
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Speaker 1: at that point, and I think it's unfair for anyone
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Speaker 1: to try to take that away from somebody, as long
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Speaker 1: as it's not harming others. And I'm not talking about
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Speaker 1: people using religion against people, just talking about having faith
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Speaker 1: when it comes to death, when it comes to spirituality,
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Speaker 1: when it comes to afterlife. There's so much to be
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Speaker 1: said that we really have no right to take away
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Speaker 1: from people. And I think she kind of addressed. She's like,
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Speaker 1: I didn't I didn't know, and now I have this
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Speaker 1: and I need something. UM. And I always think about
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Speaker 1: that too, because we talked about that about children, and
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Speaker 1: how do you address that with kids, especially if you're
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Speaker 1: not religious, how do you go about that? Um? And
10:37
Speaker 1: me coming from a one sided world where everything was
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Speaker 1: religious to this and I'm like, oh, that would be
10:42
Speaker 1: a hard one to explain for so many. Again, I'm
10:47
Speaker 1: not I don't think I'm more like a deist than
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Speaker 1: anything else. Like, I'm not completely non spiritual. I don't
10:54
Speaker 1: know if I can ever really let that go. But
10:56
Speaker 1: there's part of me that still believes in something bigger
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Speaker 1: who knows what that means. Doesn't mean karma, does that
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Speaker 1: mean whatever? But yeah, I think they do a good
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Speaker 1: job in like having a small conversation and meaning a
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Speaker 1: lot for people who go going through grief. By the way,
11:24
Speaker 1: the IMDb rating is like five out of ten, so
11:28
Speaker 1: people loved hated it. So there's that that feels about, right.
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Speaker 1: So there was ten episodes to this, and yeah, we
11:36
Speaker 1: talked about the first two because I was telling you,
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Speaker 1: oh my god, oh my god, oh my god, I
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Speaker 1: think someone's coming that you haven't met yet, and you're
11:43
Speaker 1: not gonna meet till season one or either a season
11:46
Speaker 1: one or season in the season two I can't remember.
11:50
Speaker 1: And that is his ex wife. And you kind of
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Speaker 1: already know. They cheated together, Carrie and Big cheated, cheated
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Speaker 1: together while he was married to her, and it was
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Speaker 1: like this whole thing about her being young, all these things.
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Speaker 1: And then he gives money to her because he felt
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Speaker 1: so guilty, which makes me wonder because he cheated on
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Speaker 1: all his other wives too. Yeah yeah, so did he
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Speaker 1: give money to them? Did they just get just pushed
12:17
Speaker 1: up because she meets them, took meets the other ex wife?
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Speaker 1: Yeah yeah so I but I did love bringing her
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Speaker 1: back Bridget's character because I don't know, if you know
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Speaker 1: in her real life bridget my hand was pregnant when
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Speaker 1: Tom Brady left her for Giselle. I did not like
12:37
Speaker 1: every single fact you just said. I did not know
12:40
Speaker 1: you were so there were so much to that that
12:46
Speaker 1: I was like, what, this is a real life for
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Speaker 1: this woman. She was always a pretty girl that was
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Speaker 1: the other in everything I've ever seen her hand and
12:53
Speaker 1: I feel so bad for that. I'm like, why is
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Speaker 1: she always portrayed as this character serendipity? She was the
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Speaker 1: girl supposed to marry John Cusack and then he leaves
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Speaker 1: her for you know, all the other cares you know,
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Speaker 1: so it's just a lot of them. She continues to
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Speaker 1: be portrayed this woman that gets left, and she typically
13:12
Speaker 1: is not the bad guy ever, and she happens to
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Speaker 1: be the nicest person. There may be other shows that
13:18
Speaker 1: I have not seen, but these are the ones that
13:19
Speaker 1: I've seen of her. But then she went through this
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Speaker 1: in real life, and who knows. Maybe they had already
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Speaker 1: like broken up, but it was really suspect, really suspect
13:29
Speaker 1: when he like all of a sudden, Giselle's on his
13:31
Speaker 1: arm and she's like, We're like, oh dude, dude, good book.
13:41
Speaker 1: But yeah, so I was I was holding that one
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Speaker 1: for you because I was like, I need to tell
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Speaker 1: you these facts. Yeah. So I really feel like there
13:47
Speaker 1: were so many different things for Carrie's life. We have that.
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Speaker 1: We have her, you know, facing her demons. We have
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Speaker 1: her trying to figure out what you know, if if
13:57
Speaker 1: they had the secret life, but we also have her
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Speaker 1: writing am Inmoir. I thought that was super interesting. I
14:03
Speaker 1: did too, and I appreciated the the struggle with writing
14:13
Speaker 1: it and the struggle with the ending and it being
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Speaker 1: too sad. It did kind of annoy me that they
14:19
Speaker 1: were like, go make you're happy, like find something to
14:23
Speaker 1: be hopeful about, because I'm like, if she's not there,
14:26
Speaker 1: then she's not there. You can still have a hopeful
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Speaker 1: note of I hope to one day, like I have
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Speaker 1: hope that I shouldn't want to actually go out on
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Speaker 1: a day. I was just like, she could be on
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Speaker 1: a site and look in the story. Why do we
14:37
Speaker 1: need to push her to date? I just that makes
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Speaker 1: me so sad. It was so disrespectful. If I was
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Speaker 1: ever asked for this show to like go date somebody,
14:49
Speaker 1: I would not do it. Yeah, there's other things that
14:53
Speaker 1: are like I get it, but come on, like we
14:56
Speaker 1: we know people do gimmicky things, but this is too much.
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Speaker 1: We're talking about grief and you're like, go date. It's
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Speaker 1: barely been a year. She could have literally just tried
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Speaker 1: to sit down and think about what her life without
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Speaker 1: even dating involved. Maybe how she hopes it will look
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Speaker 1: like she didn't have to go out, and yeah, don't
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Speaker 1: ask somebody. And that's the same conversation, was like, why
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Speaker 1: can't women just be single? Why is this push still
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Speaker 1: your show, still pushing this narrator that to be happy
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Speaker 1: you have to be with someone, So you pushed her
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Speaker 1: to date when she wasn't ready. That's really unfair And
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Speaker 1: every way, what if she's fine after losing her husband
15:37
Speaker 1: being alone, Why can't that just be Yeah? And I think,
15:44
Speaker 1: and we talked about it in our Widowhood Effect episode.
15:46
Speaker 1: A lot of women have said after their husband dies,
15:50
Speaker 1: in this very heteronormative sense, that they just don't want,
15:53
Speaker 1: like they're not interested in pursuing anyone else. And that's fine,
15:58
Speaker 1: and it it upsets because my mom is kind of
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Speaker 1: in the situation. I've had this conversation with her several
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Speaker 1: times where she feels like, to me, she's having she
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Speaker 1: thinks she has to justify that she's alone and doesn't
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Speaker 1: want to date anymore, where as I'm like, no, that's good.
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Speaker 1: You sound happy, that's great. Be happy, yes, or what
16:18
Speaker 1: be sad? If you can maintain and be sad, that's
16:21
Speaker 1: where you are, that's okay too. Morning is not a
16:23
Speaker 1: bad thing, right, No, not at all. Nora's being alone,
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Speaker 1: I think it is. I remember because you and I
16:32
Speaker 1: when we did our original episode on the first two
16:36
Speaker 1: of this series, you had said like, I'm hoping for Carrie,
16:39
Speaker 1: like she finds that she doesn't have to have a
16:45
Speaker 1: man in her life. And I remember when she went
16:47
Speaker 1: to physical therapy and she was like that physical therapist
16:51
Speaker 1: is hot. I was like, oh no, I mean like yeah,
16:57
Speaker 1: definitely was speaking of physical tappy going back to it.
17:00
Speaker 1: So I did see big life. I don't know how
17:02
Speaker 1: I felt about it. The hip surgery, which turned out
17:05
Speaker 1: to be just a normal thing and not necessarily her
17:07
Speaker 1: being old, and that's fine. I think that's so many people.
17:10
Speaker 1: I think all of us are accepting things that as
17:12
Speaker 1: being old when the actuality, hey, that could be fixed,
17:14
Speaker 1: so fix it. As well as the little facelift bit
17:19
Speaker 1: set a lot to society. And I did really like
17:22
Speaker 1: that they were like using her as the focal point
17:25
Speaker 1: for this because she is the more iconic one in
17:29
Speaker 1: that like her looks, her fashion, but you know all
17:32
Speaker 1: of this. Yeah, I feel there were so many things
17:35
Speaker 1: on this show that I was torn about, and I
17:38
Speaker 1: think that's actually that's not a bad thing necessarily, because
17:42
Speaker 1: there are things when we talk about feminism I get
17:44
Speaker 1: torn about. But that was one where I was like,
17:47
Speaker 1: I don't think you need it, but she really wanted.
17:50
Speaker 1: Like I was coming back and forth, right, well, why
17:52
Speaker 1: do you want this thing? Just because this guy said
17:56
Speaker 1: that maybe this male doctor was like we could do this.
18:00
Speaker 1: I don't know. I was just I was very torned
18:03
Speaker 1: about it. And I have friends that have gotten cosmetic surgery,
18:07
Speaker 1: and I feel, yes, I have, and I feel it's
18:10
Speaker 1: the same where I'm like, it's your decision, it's your body, right,
18:14
Speaker 1: you do you exactly, Like I don't want to judge
18:17
Speaker 1: you for it. I'm just I hate that we live
18:19
Speaker 1: in a world wherein people feel they have to do that.
18:22
Speaker 1: I think you can still do it and just want
18:24
Speaker 1: to do it, and that's really cool. It's so societal
18:26
Speaker 1: pressures that's touch aways that thing. And just by the way,
18:31
Speaker 1: it was Jonathan Groth, who that's right. I was trying
18:34
Speaker 1: to remember who it was. Who we've seen in Matrix
18:37
Speaker 1: and he's a glee and he's a Broadway musical person
18:40
Speaker 1: like Tony Award winning I believe, like so, he's fairly famous.
18:44
Speaker 1: So when I saw him on that, I was like, well,
18:45
Speaker 1: he's just popping up everywhere, is it? He how adorable? Yeah?
18:49
Speaker 1: He was the cosmetic surgeon. Yeah. Yes. I also thought
18:51
Speaker 1: that that was wonderful in that they were talking about it.
18:54
Speaker 1: She never makes a decision, he does the whole three
18:57
Speaker 1: D thing, and she does have that moment. It did
18:59
Speaker 1: look like her from like I don't know. They just
19:01
Speaker 1: took a picture and they're like, here, you use this
19:03
Speaker 1: as the three D model quote unquote, but it's actually
19:06
Speaker 1: just a picture of you when you were in your
19:07
Speaker 1: twenties early thirties, And it was quite quite interesting. I
19:12
Speaker 1: also found it interesting that he had a different perspective
19:16
Speaker 1: for the dude yeah and for her. Now, don't get
19:21
Speaker 1: me wrong, people aged differently, People aged and look differently.
19:25
Speaker 1: I think he's I don't know if he was younger
19:26
Speaker 1: or not. Anthony came in season three, so they're all
19:29
Speaker 1: around the same age and then talking about that. I
19:32
Speaker 1: did fine, that interesting and I don't know that was
19:35
Speaker 1: purposeful on the expectation and who is actually going to
19:39
Speaker 1: buy it? Yeah, well I do. I think it's interesting too.
19:42
Speaker 1: I mean, I could be reading way too deep into this,
19:45
Speaker 1: but I felt like it was a almost a meta
19:48
Speaker 1: nod of like we could just do what the show
19:51
Speaker 1: had been where they looked like this, or we could
19:56
Speaker 1: not do that around and trying to do something different.
19:59
Speaker 1: So I thought that was interesting. Uh so, yes, I
20:03
Speaker 1: did too. So I don't know if they're gonna come
20:05
Speaker 1: back to it, talk about it what not. Who knows.
20:08
Speaker 1: There was also the conversation about again dating, and we
20:12
Speaker 1: talked about this and she finally does date towards the
20:15
Speaker 1: end of the episodes. I did find it funny that
20:17
Speaker 1: they got really drunk and just got sick. I've been there.
20:20
Speaker 1: I've been there, necessarily sick with a date, but necessarily
20:24
Speaker 1: but I had to drink. And that's a whole different
20:26
Speaker 1: conversation that we were like, why do we need to
20:28
Speaker 1: do this? This is like, yes, it could go bordering
20:30
Speaker 1: on alcoholism in self worth and all of that, but
20:35
Speaker 1: I've definitely been like I need a glass of champagne
20:37
Speaker 1: before I go and meet this dude. I need a
20:39
Speaker 1: shot of tequila before I need to meet this dude,
20:42
Speaker 1: because I was so so dervous. Of course, they were like,
20:46
Speaker 1: to get past this, we just need to be drunk.
20:47
Speaker 1: I did find relatable. I didn't feel sad for the
20:51
Speaker 1: dude because I really want this one perspective to stop
20:55
Speaker 1: happening in TVs. He asked to kiss her. She saw
20:59
Speaker 1: that and to decide that we need to stop that
21:02
Speaker 1: as a society. Hey, producers, hey writers, stop it, because
21:07
Speaker 1: not only do you perpetuate this whole narrative of manliness
21:11
Speaker 1: and alpha mel and taking charge, you are taking away
21:14
Speaker 1: that voice of victims who are like, no, yeah, you,
21:18
Speaker 1: we need consent. So I was really angry about that.
21:22
Speaker 1: I hate that trope so much, and it happens so often,
21:25
Speaker 1: happened a new Girl, it happened so still today that
21:28
Speaker 1: I'm like, no, I get what you're saying to a point,
21:31
Speaker 1: but let's not highlight it, because you also negate the
21:34
Speaker 1: fact that these relationships and this chemistry exists, and when
21:38
Speaker 1: you see it on screen as portrayed as this, that
21:41
Speaker 1: takes that whole narrative away. It's just like, oh, he
21:43
Speaker 1: just grabbed me, because by the way, I've been kissed
21:45
Speaker 1: by a guy I didn't want to kiss I turned
21:47
Speaker 1: my face and he thought I was just playing, and
21:49
Speaker 1: he kissed me again, and I was like, I'll never
21:50
Speaker 1: call you again because I try to give you a sign.
21:53
Speaker 1: You didn't listen and you kept going because you believe
21:56
Speaker 1: these narratives that girls are playing hard to get. Yeah,
22:01
Speaker 1: And it adds to the the kind of like right
22:05
Speaker 1: wing news media being saying consent is taking all the
22:08
Speaker 1: romance out of relationship, where that if somebody stops and
22:13
Speaker 1: checks in to make sure everything's cool, that that's not romantic.
22:16
Speaker 1: I happen to think that's extremely romantic. I thought it
22:19
Speaker 1: was super sweet because he also was the one that
22:21
Speaker 1: went away from him and said I don't want I
22:25
Speaker 1: can't do this right now. Yeah. No, I mean in
22:29
Speaker 1: my head, like even if I feel like where they
22:32
Speaker 1: fell down is even if she didn't think it was
22:34
Speaker 1: romantic or sexy because she's still thinking about big or
22:38
Speaker 1: they didn't have a chemistry, whatever, I thought that was
22:40
Speaker 1: like that was the only thing he could and should do,
22:44
Speaker 1: and especially after they've both been through this very traumatic
22:47
Speaker 1: things like just checking in is a nice thing to do,
22:51
Speaker 1: is what someone should do, right, Like I just okay, yeah,
22:55
Speaker 1: that's just anybody for I know, maybe we don't have
22:58
Speaker 1: many producers, big wigs there, but if you are listening,
23:01
Speaker 1: please stop, please stop. As a victim of sexual assault,
23:05
Speaker 1: as a victim of trauma and molestation, please stop. Yeah,
23:11
Speaker 1: who can't figure out how to say it in my
23:12
Speaker 1: own words? Sometimes right right, right right? And I think
23:17
Speaker 1: that's it's an important conversation, even in there have been
23:22
Speaker 1: times where I don't know and when someone asked me,
23:25
Speaker 1: I kind of like panic, But that I think the
23:26
Speaker 1: panic is part of the answer. You don't want to
23:30
Speaker 1: I don't feel like you can say no exactly exactly.
23:33
Speaker 1: So hello, both of those things. But that's the thing is,
23:39
Speaker 1: like you say, it's not romantic, but maybe you know,
23:41
Speaker 1: the part of the thing is we still don't feel
23:43
Speaker 1: safe enough to say no exactly. But if I I've
23:47
Speaker 1: always appreciated, you know, when someone is like legitimately honestly
23:53
Speaker 1: asking and clearly wants to know, And I think that's
23:58
Speaker 1: just very very I'd say eat, but it should just
24:00
Speaker 1: be the norm if it was, Yeah, we shouldn't have
24:05
Speaker 1: to be but it is because that's just where we are.
24:08
Speaker 1: But yeah, I did find that interesting that she did
24:11
Speaker 1: how to do this the sites. I was like, Okay,
24:13
Speaker 1: here we go, let's let's go. They didn't really talk
24:16
Speaker 1: too much about what sight he's on. I was wondering,
24:19
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna lie as a person in the past. Like,
24:21
Speaker 1: there's so many dating sites? Which one did you? Did
24:23
Speaker 1: you use? The really a fancy one that you have
24:26
Speaker 1: to be on a wait list for a year? Yeah?
24:31
Speaker 1: That was that was interesting just to wonder about her
24:35
Speaker 1: being out and about on the dating sites because the
24:38
Speaker 1: show is just the The original show was from such
24:40
Speaker 1: a different time frame through a period of dating, so
24:44
Speaker 1: that was interesting to see these kind of like modern
24:46
Speaker 1: updates too, what dating looks like. I would love to
24:49
Speaker 1: seeing Sam on Oh my gosh, that is the show
24:54
Speaker 1: in itself. Speaking of I feel like one of the
24:58
Speaker 1: biggest life changes that I've seen in the show would
25:00
Speaker 1: have to be Miranda. So let's talk about her for
25:03
Speaker 1: a minute. Do you have five word description or just
25:07
Speaker 1: at least a theme for her? I wanted the five
25:10
Speaker 1: word one. Okay, she has she has an awakening. Um,
25:19
Speaker 1: she has like a journey where she's sort of opening
25:23
Speaker 1: her eyes to a lot of different issues. I don't
25:27
Speaker 1: want to describe it as a midlife crisis, but it's
25:28
Speaker 1: a midlife reevaluating. Yeah, maybe she's coming into herself. So
25:33
Speaker 1: that one of the big Like there was a lot
25:36
Speaker 1: of controversy in this, it wasn't so much carry. It
25:40
Speaker 1: was a lot to do with Miranda, a lot to
25:42
Speaker 1: do with Cha, a lot to do with Steve. And
25:45
Speaker 1: we're gonna talk about all of those right now because
25:47
Speaker 1: I found it interesting. Of course, we know that Miranda
25:50
Speaker 1: decided to be a student. She left, and her reasoning
25:53
Speaker 1: was after the me to March or the Women's March,
25:57
Speaker 1: after the election, she wanted to do something go And
26:00
Speaker 1: by the way, she was a partner in a giant,
26:02
Speaker 1: giant law firm, making a lot of money. And we've
26:05
Speaker 1: seen her work her entire sex in the city life.
26:08
Speaker 1: We'll leave that to this point. And she was one
26:12
Speaker 1: of the ones who was like talking about not being
26:13
Speaker 1: ashamed for being a woman who makes money and is
26:16
Speaker 1: able to afford things on her own. And they're like, amen,
26:19
Speaker 1: you do you so now we see here stop and
26:23
Speaker 1: she is now coming into becoming a student again. Really
26:26
Speaker 1: cringe moments with the professor, which literally comes into them
26:31
Speaker 1: being close friends and confidence to each other. I felt
26:35
Speaker 1: that was a little weird. I know they were trying
26:37
Speaker 1: to bring in some more storylines with the professor, but
26:41
Speaker 1: still kind of odd. Um. I do love that the
26:45
Speaker 1: narrative with that storyline was the professor didn't want to
26:48
Speaker 1: have children, um, and going back and forth about what
26:51
Speaker 1: was best for her and marriage. By the way, that
26:54
Speaker 1: was also another storyline for Charlotte. So Charlotte had that
26:58
Speaker 1: storyline and it was she wanted desperately to have children,
27:02
Speaker 1: the husband didn't care, and so we see the flip role.
27:05
Speaker 1: I did like that. I did. I did like that
27:08
Speaker 1: narrative being what it was. It was really interesting to
27:11
Speaker 1: see the and we'll talk about this later. I think
27:15
Speaker 1: the dual characters, the new character with Charlotte Lisa Todd Wesley,
27:19
Speaker 1: you know that the comparison to the two of them,
27:22
Speaker 1: and I don't know, like if that was purposeful, I
27:25
Speaker 1: don't know what that looks like. I will say it
27:29
Speaker 1: did feel real off like they were really trying to
27:31
Speaker 1: be relevant when it comes to black women being part
27:36
Speaker 1: of the community and part of the conversation. They still
27:39
Speaker 1: felt like side characters, and they were still side characters,
27:42
Speaker 1: which was really interesting because Lisa was originally introduced as
27:45
Speaker 1: if she was going to be one of the four,
27:47
Speaker 1: and I feel like, yeah, that I don't know how.
27:49
Speaker 1: I don't know if this could have been an easy
27:51
Speaker 1: transition or not. That's a whole different thing. We'll talk
27:54
Speaker 1: about that minute. But it's Nia as well. She was
27:56
Speaker 1: never introduced as uh, one of the one the new
28:00
Speaker 1: you know sets, but she has become her own plotline,
28:04
Speaker 1: her own storyline and then and I think it was
28:06
Speaker 1: a good narrative. Still unquestionable, and maybe it's just me
28:09
Speaker 1: being like being overly aware of the situation and trying
28:14
Speaker 1: to really watch what's happening and wondering how many black
28:17
Speaker 1: writers were in the writing room. I'm sure I'm going
28:21
Speaker 1: to credit that they did have a few, but still
28:25
Speaker 1: did they get their voices heard? That's a question I
28:27
Speaker 1: do have about the show. Same thing with the queer community.
28:32
Speaker 1: I know, obviously the creator h is a part of
28:36
Speaker 1: the queer community, cythey and Nixon obviously is a queer woman,
28:39
Speaker 1: Mario kenttone all of them, But like all these things,
28:42
Speaker 1: like how many writers came in? Did we try too hard?
28:46
Speaker 1: Because I'm not gonna lie the character of Cha who
28:49
Speaker 1: is a non binary queer person, and they call themselves
28:52
Speaker 1: a narcissist, and they don't really put Marianda into the
28:58
Speaker 1: narrative as much as you think, even though they say
29:00
Speaker 1: they're in love with her. So it's kind of like, Okay,
29:03
Speaker 1: what when they make the announcement they're moving to California,
29:07
Speaker 1: they do it in front of everyone without actually talking
29:10
Speaker 1: to them privately and leaving the next week, Like it's
29:13
Speaker 1: just this really weird level, like m hm. And also
29:17
Speaker 1: I don't love that Miranda has to have the affair
29:21
Speaker 1: flippantly with a non binary, polyamorous, like very open person
29:28
Speaker 1: who kind of feeds into that whole unicorn or like
29:32
Speaker 1: that whole i'm gonna steal your person trope. And I
29:35
Speaker 1: don't think they meant that on purpose, because we see
29:37
Speaker 1: later on that chain is very upset. It doesn't want
29:40
Speaker 1: to be they called themselves. They're like, I'm not gonna
29:43
Speaker 1: be a home wrecker. That's not me. You need to
29:44
Speaker 1: figure it out. But at the beginning of this whole,
29:47
Speaker 1: like it's kind of already a toxic view then that community,
29:52
Speaker 1: and I really hated that to be part of this conversation,
29:56
Speaker 1: I don't know what you do think Again, I think
29:58
Speaker 1: I was very shielded from a lot of things because
30:02
Speaker 1: I didn't have to like I don't have yet all
30:06
Speaker 1: the seasons behind me. So I know people were really
30:10
Speaker 1: angry with this character. I would say I was definitely like,
30:14
Speaker 1: it's not great decisions. Uh. They also like leave the
30:19
Speaker 1: podcast kind of suddenly with everybody else, like hey, goodbye peace.
30:24
Speaker 1: I actually do get the whole superstitious I'm not gonna
30:27
Speaker 1: tell anyone first, but there's a certain point where you've
30:32
Speaker 1: got to it does feel more like the fame and
30:36
Speaker 1: kind of excitement of career and and all of the
30:39
Speaker 1: attention was more important to Chay than the people in
30:44
Speaker 1: their life. I think. I guess what I'm trying to
30:46
Speaker 1: say is I agree with most of the criticisms. I'm
30:49
Speaker 1: just not as mad about right. Yeah. Yeah. And I
30:54
Speaker 1: think a part of that too is I haven't seen
30:59
Speaker 1: all of the years of Miranda with Steve, and I
31:05
Speaker 1: don't know if I would changed anything or not. But
31:06
Speaker 1: I don't have like all this stuff already, you know
31:08
Speaker 1: what I mean. I did think that what you said
31:11
Speaker 1: about like there was I thought that and this maybe
31:16
Speaker 1: this is my own prejudices or maybe this was my
31:18
Speaker 1: own like then playing on what we all kind of
31:21
Speaker 1: been told. But I did think they were building up
31:23
Speaker 1: to Jay was going to be in multiple relationships and
31:28
Speaker 1: Miranda kind of broke everything off not realizing that, and
31:32
Speaker 1: then she would have to come to terms with those
31:34
Speaker 1: She's okay with it or not. It was kind of
31:36
Speaker 1: leading up to that or that Chay, which was cheating
31:38
Speaker 1: on Miranda. I don't know, so like some levels, so
31:41
Speaker 1: I didn't really appreciate that, even though I get because
31:43
Speaker 1: she in the end, in the end they worked as
31:47
Speaker 1: far as we know, are trying to cheat. No, they
31:50
Speaker 1: said that that that Miranda was the only one they
31:53
Speaker 1: were sleeping with, so they did make that right, So,
31:56
Speaker 1: like I guess, it just sort of it did make
31:59
Speaker 1: me a little. I get, we're playing into these tropes
32:03
Speaker 1: because their troops and we're kind of flipping them, but
32:05
Speaker 1: we're still playing into them. So back to Steve, that
32:24
Speaker 1: was a big thing. So you haven't seen all of
32:27
Speaker 1: this yet, but it was, as Steve said, he broke
32:31
Speaker 1: up with her because he felt like he wasn't enough,
32:33
Speaker 1: and then they got back together and then she broke
32:35
Speaker 1: up with him because he was too he wasn't enough,
32:38
Speaker 1: like he wasn't getting his life together. And then they
32:41
Speaker 1: had a child together because they had pity sex essentially,
32:45
Speaker 1: and then it came to, oh, we do love each other,
32:47
Speaker 1: let's do this. So it was this whole build up,
32:49
Speaker 1: build up, build up. So that's the awkward part. It's like, yeah, okay,
32:54
Speaker 1: it's one thing if you guys stuck in a marriage
32:56
Speaker 1: um way back when, and you just felt stuck. But
33:00
Speaker 1: it was his whole back and forth, and Miranda has
33:01
Speaker 1: never been tied down. They were going to have the baby,
33:03
Speaker 1: They had the baby outside of marriage. They weren't in
33:05
Speaker 1: a relationship. She was dating someone completely different okay in
33:09
Speaker 1: the story. So it kind of was like, all right,
33:12
Speaker 1: you build this up to be him being the love
33:14
Speaker 1: of her life again and then uninhibited as an adult,
33:20
Speaker 1: really not caring about sexuality, not caring about any of that.
33:23
Speaker 1: As in fact, we saw the episode where she says yep,
33:26
Speaker 1: not gay when she tries to kiss a woman that
33:29
Speaker 1: would have helped her career. So it's kind of all
33:32
Speaker 1: these things and I'm like, okay, these are these don't
33:35
Speaker 1: lay out have watching just that, And but again you
33:40
Speaker 1: can be madly in love with someone, but things change.
33:44
Speaker 1: And I think that's the one thing that they did
33:46
Speaker 1: do well enough that people are still angry about is
33:49
Speaker 1: that Mariana doesn't say she's a lesbian. She never says
33:52
Speaker 1: I'm out, as she never says she's queer. She says,
33:55
Speaker 1: I love chain. In the story, they make me feel
34:00
Speaker 1: completely different and completely new, which could be a whole
34:04
Speaker 1: different thing of like, well, this could be a crisis
34:08
Speaker 1: in itself, but that doesn't mean you're not unhappy, and
34:10
Speaker 1: maybe things do need to change because as you say,
34:13
Speaker 1: like things have changed and you're in a stalemate and
34:16
Speaker 1: you want something different than what he wants. In the story,
34:19
Speaker 1: I didn't love the whole Steve say that he's not
34:21
Speaker 1: going to find anyone else. I wanted him to find
34:24
Speaker 1: someone else because he is an endearingly sweet man. Don't
34:27
Speaker 1: get me wrong. He cheats on her at one point.
34:30
Speaker 1: That's another conversation. So all of that to say is
34:34
Speaker 1: like there's just back and forth on that as well.
34:38
Speaker 1: So Steve got played dirty. I didn't like that he
34:43
Speaker 1: finally get God to tell her everything. I feel like
34:47
Speaker 1: there should have been a little more turmoil in a
34:49
Speaker 1: in a life that built so hard um and for
34:51
Speaker 1: him it was obviously more so than her. Maybe they're
34:55
Speaker 1: saving it up for the next season if it gets renewed,
34:59
Speaker 1: who knows. But there was a lot of conversation and
35:01
Speaker 1: a lot of anger about that, and I get that
35:03
Speaker 1: because of all the guys on there, Steve and Harry
35:07
Speaker 1: are the ones that you want to root. Yeah, this
35:12
Speaker 1: is It's really interesting for me because I I'm a
35:16
Speaker 1: firm believer that it totally totally sucks, but sometimes people
35:22
Speaker 1: just don't feel the same way about each other. And
35:25
Speaker 1: because you want people to be happy like you want
35:29
Speaker 1: them if someone loves you, and I've been in this relationship,
35:32
Speaker 1: someone loves you and you don't love them back, and
35:34
Speaker 1: maybe you want to love them back, and maybe you
35:35
Speaker 1: try to convince yourself you love them back, but sometimes
35:38
Speaker 1: you don't. And that's sad because you might like each other,
35:41
Speaker 1: you might even really care about each other, it's just
35:43
Speaker 1: not the same. And I get why people are pissed
35:45
Speaker 1: about that, because it sucks. It does, it hurts, but
35:48
Speaker 1: it's also real, Like I get what they're saying when
35:51
Speaker 1: they see the character and they're like, you built this
35:53
Speaker 1: character up to be this, and they did. They did,
35:55
Speaker 1: and then they significantly changed it, but that also does happen.
35:59
Speaker 1: That does. Then another big criticism in the show was
36:02
Speaker 1: her alcoholism, and it was really interesting called so much
36:08
Speaker 1: of this, Samantha, we called so much of this in
36:11
Speaker 1: our first like what we thought would happen. We nailed it,
36:17
Speaker 1: so yes, please talk about this. Yeah. So at the
36:20
Speaker 1: very first a few episodes, Samantha and I were like, huh,
36:24
Speaker 1: I wonder they kind of seemed to be hinting that
36:26
Speaker 1: Miranda is an alcoholic, but it was kind of it
36:29
Speaker 1: was in a way where I'm like, maybe she's just stressed,
36:31
Speaker 1: and they're trying to say she's stressed, which I'm not saying,
36:33
Speaker 1: like alcoholism and stress very related. But then I think
36:35
Speaker 1: the episode where Charlotte opened the bag and they were
36:37
Speaker 1: all those like small bottles of vodkas, like oh boy, um.
36:42
Speaker 1: So it was a kind of shocking reveal because basically
36:53
Speaker 1: Chain and Miranda had sex in Carrie's kitchen while Carrie
36:57
Speaker 1: I just was recovering from surgery, so your mind was
36:59
Speaker 1: kind of like on that, and Miranda was high and
37:04
Speaker 1: drunk at the time, so I guess like in my
37:07
Speaker 1: head that was the big focus and them, and Miranda
37:10
Speaker 1: realizes she'd been drunk ordering books on how to quit drinking,
37:13
Speaker 1: or at least one book on how to quit drinking
37:15
Speaker 1: as a woman, which, by the way, I thought was
37:17
Speaker 1: how to quit your job as a woman. I totally
37:20
Speaker 1: misinterpreted that. But anyway, so she pours out all the
37:24
Speaker 1: alcohol and says, you know what, if I have a
37:27
Speaker 1: she told carry, if I have a problem, you know
37:29
Speaker 1: I can stop. So she pours out all of her
37:30
Speaker 1: alcohol in her house, and then it's showing on the
37:32
Speaker 1: several locations after that she's drinking and non alcoholic. They
37:35
Speaker 1: they kind of mentioned like, oh yeah, but yeah, she
37:39
Speaker 1: just kind of like up and quits, which it's hard
37:46
Speaker 1: hard to do, so I did. Like, no one talks
37:49
Speaker 1: about it, no one looks at it, no one talks
37:51
Speaker 1: about her going to a a nothing. It literally is.
37:57
Speaker 1: She accuses her friend of standing her a book about alcoholism,
38:03
Speaker 1: having sex in the kitchen, and not helping her friend
38:06
Speaker 1: who she is there for, which, by the way, some
38:08
Speaker 1: people have said, and you haven't seen this episode yet,
38:10
Speaker 1: I'm so sorry, in which Miranda throws her back out.
38:15
Speaker 1: He's lying on the floor of a bathroom naked because
38:18
Speaker 1: you can't get up called carry for help, carryson's boyfriend
38:22
Speaker 1: who sees her completely naked, and so they're like, this
38:26
Speaker 1: is revenge from Miranda for this, which I did find funny.
38:33
Speaker 1: That was a tweet that I was like, yeah, that
38:34
Speaker 1: might be right awkward again. It was really kind of like, Okay,
38:38
Speaker 1: come on, guys, this is that trophy bit of like hey,
38:42
Speaker 1: why why because I don't think Jay whatever romance happens, sure, sure, sure,
38:48
Speaker 1: but whatever, okay, very trophy sex scene. I felt like
38:53
Speaker 1: it was really like unnecessary sex sex scene. Of course,
38:56
Speaker 1: they'd like to make things as cringe e and as
38:58
Speaker 1: awkward as possible, so this is how they pushed it
39:00
Speaker 1: out of felt very chopy. Didn't love it, but I
39:03
Speaker 1: will say so that began her like, oh my god,
39:06
Speaker 1: I am drinking too much. I essentially had my friend,
39:09
Speaker 1: you know, p on herself because I didn't hear her
39:12
Speaker 1: ask for help after a hip surgery when I swore
39:14
Speaker 1: I would be there for her. And by the way, yeah,
39:17
Speaker 1: I feel like Harry's characters are really Judge mcgufferson in
39:20
Speaker 1: comparison to but I guess this is one of the
39:22
Speaker 1: moments like hey, you have a husband, what are you doing?
39:24
Speaker 1: What are you doing? So all that breaks down to okay,
39:28
Speaker 1: and her coming to making herself a nice little drink
39:31
Speaker 1: and then realizing she sent her book to herself and
39:33
Speaker 1: she just didn't know this and she was so drunk
39:36
Speaker 1: that that's that's her wake up. Homes like that was
39:38
Speaker 1: the wake up. That was right, that was the wake up.
39:41
Speaker 1: Cal right, okay, still whatever, I guess, And then all
39:47
Speaker 1: of a sudden, she's drinking alcohol free wine and everybody's okay, congratulations,
39:52
Speaker 1: no more conversation, right right. Like I said, when that
39:57
Speaker 1: first came out, there were there was a lot of
39:59
Speaker 1: this show has been mixed reactions all around, but when
40:02
Speaker 1: that first came out, I saw some people saying, no,
40:04
Speaker 1: this is I'm glad they're talking about it. We need
40:06
Speaker 1: to talk about it because especially after we did that
40:10
Speaker 1: like pandemic one. But she Miranda even says like women
40:14
Speaker 1: with children started drinking more, and so a lot of
40:17
Speaker 1: mothers were saying, oh my god, I relate to this.
40:19
Speaker 1: But then it was kind of like, yeah, like, all right,
40:22
Speaker 1: that's done that, we checked that box. She's drinking this
40:25
Speaker 1: non alcoholic stuff now, so that one's good. I guess
40:28
Speaker 1: it's interesting they addressed it, but they didn't really maybe,
40:33
Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, they kind of did the bare minimum,
40:35
Speaker 1: and maybe that would have been a different show. I
40:37
Speaker 1: don't know, but it's not. It's definitely not easy. Although
40:41
Speaker 1: they were there were like six months, there were six
40:43
Speaker 1: months between some of the episode. I can't remember where
40:45
Speaker 1: that fell, but yeah, I mean it may have been
40:48
Speaker 1: it may have been a big time jump. But still,
40:50
Speaker 1: like they didn't talk about it. They didn't talk about
40:51
Speaker 1: what she did, how she stopped, or you know, any
40:54
Speaker 1: of that. That's kind of like, right, did we just
40:56
Speaker 1: glaze over a really hot top? Okay? Okay, but Miranda
41:01
Speaker 1: leaving for California with Jay, which by the way, kind
41:07
Speaker 1: of happened at the Cliffhanger in one of the seasons
41:11
Speaker 1: for Carrie leaving for Paris, and Miranda is the one
41:15
Speaker 1: that objects to her moving pretty harshly, saying, to the point,
41:21
Speaker 1: you know, you're leaving your life for a man. So
41:25
Speaker 1: I don't know if this is like, where do we
41:27
Speaker 1: see this? Not that we don't want her to be happy,
41:29
Speaker 1: but she's giving up this huge internship. Apparently that's really
41:32
Speaker 1: hard to get that. Naya, her professor, went out on
41:37
Speaker 1: a limb for her changing her life to go for
41:40
Speaker 1: a pilot, right for a show that was compared to Rosanne, Right,
41:47
Speaker 1: and you know, nothing against pilots, but like a lot
41:50
Speaker 1: of them don't get tip right. Yeah, that was another
41:55
Speaker 1: thing I was talking about. It was kind of a
41:56
Speaker 1: kin to the facial like the face lift, where I'm like, yes,
42:00
Speaker 1: I want you to go be happy and you can
42:02
Speaker 1: pursue love and that's great, but also you have this
42:06
Speaker 1: like to have opportunity that's really good job opportunity. I
42:09
Speaker 1: don't know why if it's only a couple of months,
42:12
Speaker 1: and I don't want to diminish their relationship, but they
42:14
Speaker 1: haven't known each other super long, why they can't like
42:17
Speaker 1: do it virtually at least for a few months and
42:19
Speaker 1: then see if Jay is still out there, then you
42:22
Speaker 1: can move right, Like there's there's a lot to be like, Okay,
42:26
Speaker 1: we get being spontaneous, but maybe this is building up
42:29
Speaker 1: to having the crisis and seeing that who knows. But
42:33
Speaker 1: we come background to Charlotte. Charlotte is probably the most
42:37
Speaker 1: stable and the most like our character still, I feel
42:40
Speaker 1: like because not I mean Carrie too, because Carrie has
42:43
Speaker 1: that whole like going back and forth with her love, life,
42:47
Speaker 1: loss of love, all this thing. But Charlie and Harry
42:50
Speaker 1: are going down a different route with their children. What
42:54
Speaker 1: did you think about all that? I thought it was, Uh,
42:59
Speaker 1: it was very interesting. There were definitely some trophy stuff
43:04
Speaker 1: they did that I was like, well, I we should
43:06
Speaker 1: do that, But it was I like that they addressed it,
43:11
Speaker 1: I guess, and I was funny. It made me laugh
43:14
Speaker 1: when TikTok came up and that's how Charlotte's non binary
43:19
Speaker 1: child announced they were non binary and they were going
43:24
Speaker 1: by the name Brock, like this was news to Charlotte.
43:27
Speaker 1: That kind of made me laugh. I appreciated that. It
43:35
Speaker 1: was interesting, I guess to see Charlotte trying to navigate
43:38
Speaker 1: all this stuff as a mother, and it's clear to
43:41
Speaker 1: me that she motherhood is very important to her, but
43:43
Speaker 1: also is this kind of like outside appearance of what
43:47
Speaker 1: her family looks like. But she to me, it did
43:50
Speaker 1: feel like she genuinely was clumsily or not trying to
43:54
Speaker 1: learn and listen and do the best that she could.
43:57
Speaker 1: That they missed the the end cracked me up. That
44:06
Speaker 1: was one of this quing moment like nope, I can't
44:08
Speaker 1: absolutely not absolutely not. Yeah, I found it interesting that
44:14
Speaker 1: she was so aware of everything and so delicate to everything.
44:18
Speaker 1: But her last straw was the tampons, right, like she
44:23
Speaker 1: lost it over that. I'm like, wait, wait, you're gonna
44:26
Speaker 1: be okay with the fact that you just threw thousands
44:29
Speaker 1: of dollars for this party, for your girl to become
44:32
Speaker 1: a part of like ethnic custom for her family that
44:37
Speaker 1: she has poured herself into. But she's not okay with
44:40
Speaker 1: her the girl freaking out about losing a tampon in
44:42
Speaker 1: her vagina. What I felt like that. I don't know
44:48
Speaker 1: if they meant to do this the writers, but I
44:50
Speaker 1: felt like it was a you know, building of oh
44:54
Speaker 1: my god, I have all this stress. But also she's
44:58
Speaker 1: on her period because I don't have. People don't know.
45:02
Speaker 1: But the big reveal Charlotte thought she'd been through menopause,
45:05
Speaker 1: was not going to have a period again. Like White Overalls.
45:11
Speaker 1: I was trying to tell her daughter Lily like figure
45:14
Speaker 1: this tampo. Like she was very patient for a long time,
45:17
Speaker 1: but then she finally reached in and was like, you
45:18
Speaker 1: gotta favor this out by yourself, kind of storms away
45:21
Speaker 1: and as she is bleeding once again. So I don't know,
45:27
Speaker 1: I'm not really sure what they were trying to if
45:30
Speaker 1: it was just a very stressful thing, or if it
45:32
Speaker 1: was supposed to be like a commentary on her period
45:35
Speaker 1: emotions in quotes, I mean menopause and all that and
45:39
Speaker 1: are being smug and it was very much to a character.
45:42
Speaker 1: It was interesting again, like all of those things that
45:44
Speaker 1: I'm like, ah, was that okay? That wasn't that okay? Cool?
45:48
Speaker 1: Cool cool? Whatever? Yeah, Like I like that that they
45:51
Speaker 1: have a trans rabbi and they were trying to do
45:55
Speaker 1: all these different things and then having this conversation, then
45:57
Speaker 1: the character of Anthony be like coming in and handling
46:00
Speaker 1: things for everyone, which he did kind of replace Stanford
46:04
Speaker 1: because of the death and by the way, so I
46:05
Speaker 1: was very upset about the way they handled I think
46:08
Speaker 1: that was one of my biggest obsesses, the way they
46:10
Speaker 1: handled Stanford in the series, and that did read an
46:12
Speaker 1: interview with Michael Patrick king that the reason they did
46:15
Speaker 1: that was because they couldn't do it. They could not
46:17
Speaker 1: write about him. They did not have the heart or
46:21
Speaker 1: the mental capacity or emotional capacity to write about him.
46:24
Speaker 1: So they did something really flip it and just pushed
46:26
Speaker 1: it to the back burner because they did not have
46:29
Speaker 1: time to process them more. So that explains a lot
46:32
Speaker 1: more to me. But I really did not love Stanford
46:35
Speaker 1: being dismissed as this dude having a midlife crisis and
46:38
Speaker 1: left everyone. He's never been that self righteous in any way, like,
46:43
Speaker 1: so I felt like that was a whole different conversation
46:46
Speaker 1: between the two of them. I thought Anthony would have
46:48
Speaker 1: been the one that that would have left Stanford be like,
46:50
Speaker 1: I'm done with this because he was very judgmental a
46:53
Speaker 1: Stanford from the jump. So I was very upset about that.
46:56
Speaker 1: Like Stanford was one of the most endearing characters who
46:58
Speaker 1: really loved and doated on everyone. A little bit of
47:01
Speaker 1: jealousy of friendship jealousy, yes, but not anything outside of that.
47:05
Speaker 1: But understanding that they were so heartbroken after his death
47:10
Speaker 1: they just couldn't even address it, that made a lot
47:12
Speaker 1: more sense to me. So I did appreciate that they
47:14
Speaker 1: were very forthcoming and that made me like appreciate what
47:18
Speaker 1: they were doing as much as they could with that.
47:21
Speaker 1: But I do feel like we were lacking a little bit.
47:23
Speaker 1: But but the character of Anthony tried to pick up
47:26
Speaker 1: some of that with a very heavy hated uh no
47:29
Speaker 1: to it. There's a few other things I didn't want
47:46
Speaker 1: to talk about again, Like I don't know if Lisa
47:50
Speaker 1: Wexley's character was intended to become the new Samantha or not,
47:55
Speaker 1: or just be the secondary character for Charlotte again. I
48:00
Speaker 1: know that they were trying, but I don't feel like
48:02
Speaker 1: margin Lat's people were as representative as well as they
48:07
Speaker 1: could have. I don't know if they could have, or
48:08
Speaker 1: if they just really tried and try to add too
48:11
Speaker 1: much and became too trophy because they were doing too much.
48:14
Speaker 1: I don't know. I think that's something that's like if
48:16
Speaker 1: I had degraded graded a C for that, if I
48:20
Speaker 1: had degrade for like life experiences, I would agree you
48:23
Speaker 1: to be I think that. I think I absolutely like
48:25
Speaker 1: a minus B plus because I think it does hit
48:28
Speaker 1: to that and that includes the relationship with Sam and
48:32
Speaker 1: then communicating again like it does. It's a slow build
48:35
Speaker 1: when you fall off and whatever may be the reason
48:37
Speaker 1: of falling off again. I was trying to explain to
48:40
Speaker 1: someone recently. I was like, yeah, I lost the best friend.
48:42
Speaker 1: We were close, we were close, and all of a sudden,
48:45
Speaker 1: within a year we stopped talking completely, like no birthdays,
48:48
Speaker 1: no nothing. I thought everything was okay, sent her a text.
48:50
Speaker 1: I got ignored and I was told pretty much to
48:53
Speaker 1: leave her alone, and I was like, what just happened.
48:55
Speaker 1: I don't know what happened, but okay, that's what happened. Um,
48:58
Speaker 1: and she was my best friends through college, through high school,
49:02
Speaker 1: through middle school. So it just broke apart like that.
49:05
Speaker 1: And then I saw some things that you posted on
49:07
Speaker 1: Facebook and I was like, oh, hell no, we came friends. Yeah, yeah,
49:11
Speaker 1: you know, the stuff like that. So things like that,
49:14
Speaker 1: it's kind of like it happens. I I know, people
49:17
Speaker 1: were like, this isn't that way, and people probably were
49:19
Speaker 1: more sensitive because it did feel like we were only
49:21
Speaker 1: seeing Sarah Jessica Parker's perspective and we could not pull
49:25
Speaker 1: that apart necessarily. But I feel like they did like
49:30
Speaker 1: everything Sam did. Everything that Sam's response, even though it
49:33
Speaker 1: was very like minimal, was really respectful to Sam's character
49:38
Speaker 1: and seemingly on point. Yeah. I mean, I think it's
49:42
Speaker 1: hard because the you're always kind of questioning the real
49:45
Speaker 1: life aspect of this, but in terms of the fictional series,
49:50
Speaker 1: which I get is very hard to split apart in
49:53
Speaker 1: your mind and sometimes should be hard in my opinions,
49:56
Speaker 1: But I did like that. It was clearly it was
50:00
Speaker 1: that slow build and it was difficult, like it wasn't
50:03
Speaker 1: just going to be fixed. But I kind of liked
50:06
Speaker 1: that it ended with Carrie dumping big ashes and then
50:12
Speaker 1: contacting Sam and Sam being like, yeah, let's meet. I
50:15
Speaker 1: felt like she's like, you know, losing this person, but
50:18
Speaker 1: then kind of regaining hopefully or at least, you know,
50:21
Speaker 1: some kind of closure. Perhaps. Yeah, she's never coming back
50:24
Speaker 1: on the show. We know that pretty clearly, which, by
50:27
Speaker 1: the way, isn't legal to dump ashes. Oh, I know
50:31
Speaker 1: a lot about like we can't go into this right now,
50:33
Speaker 1: but no, not really. That was at the back of
50:36
Speaker 1: my head the entire time. I was like, first of all,
50:39
Speaker 1: that's public. Why and that's very public Why she was
50:45
Speaker 1: in that dress. That's like yeah, yes, and again it's
50:48
Speaker 1: supposed to be romantic and all of that. But I'm like,
50:51
Speaker 1: maybe do like small, small handful. Yeah, yeah, this seems
50:57
Speaker 1: really only goal if people don't know you can't just
51:02
Speaker 1: do that generally, Okay, I'm sorry to kill that moment.
51:07
Speaker 1: The entire time I was watching that, I was like, way,
51:10
Speaker 1: is that even legal? It's some places it kind of is,
51:14
Speaker 1: but generally you should at least check and I had
51:17
Speaker 1: a friend I went through this with a couple of
51:19
Speaker 1: years back. It's there's more rules around it than you
51:23
Speaker 1: might think. Perhaps you probably already know. Yeah, well, and
51:27
Speaker 1: here's the other thing that I was like, the podcasting,
51:30
Speaker 1: but the podcasting, but we had to talk. We have
51:33
Speaker 1: to talk about it. I'm like, there's so many moments
51:35
Speaker 1: of them, like trying to do live, y'all. We are
51:38
Speaker 1: edited like nobody's business when it comes to me and
51:42
Speaker 1: my many mistakes, the amount of splicing that happens with me,
51:47
Speaker 1: and the fact that I think I've talked about this.
51:49
Speaker 1: Our old producer Andrew sent me like a little outtake
51:53
Speaker 1: how many times I would just be like cursing because
51:55
Speaker 1: I could not say a word, and the entire time
51:59
Speaker 1: to reset to say a sentence or a phrase or
52:03
Speaker 1: whatever I'm trying to make a point in so this
52:06
Speaker 1: whole like there that that they're sitting there their radio hosts,
52:09
Speaker 1: it's not podcasting. I'm very confused. Yeah, yeah, And we
52:15
Speaker 1: were talking about this, and I know we've discussed it
52:17
Speaker 1: in past episodes because it has been kind of a
52:19
Speaker 1: thrill to see podcasting and in popular media and get
52:23
Speaker 1: to finally be like, no, no, that's not what it's like.
52:26
Speaker 1: I do. I feel like personally that is the radio
52:29
Speaker 1: show that they're doing. But I know we have shows
52:33
Speaker 1: on the network I do that, so it is possible.
52:36
Speaker 1: It is a thing. It just feels to me very
52:39
Speaker 1: different from what most of podcasting looks like. Right well,
52:43
Speaker 1: when they have to sit there and just sit there
52:45
Speaker 1: and stare at her and then awkwardly make up for her,
52:48
Speaker 1: like you just cut that and start that over again,
52:50
Speaker 1: like you, that didn't need to be that dramatic, Like, sure,
52:53
Speaker 1: it could be awkward in real life, but it wasn't
52:54
Speaker 1: that dramatic as if like you had to rescue her
52:57
Speaker 1: on radio series. It also, can we talk about the
53:01
Speaker 1: fact that after all of that her not ready to date,
53:04
Speaker 1: her awkward dating, she didn makes out with her producer
53:08
Speaker 1: and y'all, here's what I gotta say, don't where you eat.
53:15
Speaker 1: I don't know that's gonna believed that, but it's the thing,
53:17
Speaker 1: Like I that's been one of my number one rules
53:20
Speaker 1: is like I will not date within someone that I
53:23
Speaker 1: am going to have close proximity with and making it
53:26
Speaker 1: awkward for everyone else. But like I was just like, girl,
53:29
Speaker 1: you just started a new podcast and you won't make
53:31
Speaker 1: out with him. Yeah, So essentially it ends because it's
53:37
Speaker 1: the hopeful built right Carrie. Yeah, it's finally the hopeful bit.
53:41
Speaker 1: There's kind of like implied maybe she would go for
53:45
Speaker 1: this teacher guy, but then they had that bad kiss
53:48
Speaker 1: and then anyway, it ends with Carrie starting her own podcast,
53:53
Speaker 1: which seems to be a call in show um sort
53:56
Speaker 1: of like her column used to be, and she kisses
54:00
Speaker 1: her podcast producer and I knew like when it half,
54:03
Speaker 1: and I was like, oh yeah, the build up of
54:06
Speaker 1: them like staring longly at each other at the wedding
54:08
Speaker 1: of her other co host, Bobby Lee's character where they
54:12
Speaker 1: get married, which is really cute by the way, her
54:14
Speaker 1: ALBHM was phenomenal. Friends, Oh my god, I loved it.
54:18
Speaker 1: But I was just like, no, don't do this. Why
54:20
Speaker 1: would you put this in a workplace proximity, don't do this?
54:24
Speaker 1: And yeah, to me, it felt like, I mean not
54:28
Speaker 1: only that, but because there had been no previous they
54:32
Speaker 1: barely talked. Yeah, they've been as the audience at the
54:37
Speaker 1: very least, we had not seen any kind of we
54:42
Speaker 1: hadn't seen their relationship build, Like maybe there was a
54:44
Speaker 1: hint at the very last thing they said before she
54:47
Speaker 1: started her podcast, but there wasn't anything to build up
54:50
Speaker 1: to it. So it was just like it felt to
54:52
Speaker 1: me like they were like, see, she's happy, she's with
54:55
Speaker 1: the man, all is good, and like you're happy with
54:58
Speaker 1: a man, it could have been fine, and now you're
55:00
Speaker 1: just kind of putting shoving him in this position. Why
55:03
Speaker 1: can't you just let her be alone and be happy? Right?
55:06
Speaker 1: I think it would have been very powerful. She's just
55:08
Speaker 1: having these meaningful calls on this mysterious podcast of hers
55:12
Speaker 1: with people and feels good and like that she can
55:15
Speaker 1: help people in that way, and she's feeling more confident
55:17
Speaker 1: in her work, and then maybe she finds somebody. Let's
55:22
Speaker 1: put it in this term, let's have it where the
55:25
Speaker 1: ending is Seema, which we did not talk about. Who
55:27
Speaker 1: is I believe in the Indian character Dulla the whole thing.
55:30
Speaker 1: I was like, yes, I want to go to there too.
55:32
Speaker 1: They have a whole conversation about cultural appropriation and cultural appreciation,
55:35
Speaker 1: which I think is important too, very like glazed over,
55:39
Speaker 1: move on. It's Carrie, who knows She's a phenomenal character
55:43
Speaker 1: who I think do exist. There's so many people that
55:46
Speaker 1: we know that are have been and still seeking for love.
55:49
Speaker 1: And that's not a bad thing either, as long as
55:51
Speaker 1: you're not miserable or are doing things that are unhealthy
55:55
Speaker 1: to try to find that love. It's okay, that's fine too.
55:58
Speaker 1: That's who you are and that's what you want. That's
56:00
Speaker 1: a beautiful thing as well. And so I think that
56:03
Speaker 1: character is believable. I do like her calling out Carrie,
56:06
Speaker 1: who's like, you're being insensitive and Carrie and she's like,
56:08
Speaker 1: you're being insensive to me, but you had love, you know,
56:11
Speaker 1: how did you know? Like all these things that I
56:13
Speaker 1: do like that perspective where they call each other out.
56:16
Speaker 1: She's a phenomenal new character. Don't love that she smokes,
56:19
Speaker 1: but you know, people smoke. We know this. She finds
56:22
Speaker 1: the dude who's a club owner. That's a whole different
56:24
Speaker 1: conversation in itself. But in my ending, yes, instead of
56:28
Speaker 1: her making out with a producer that she's working with,
56:31
Speaker 1: she should have been in her new apartment or in
56:34
Speaker 1: her apartment just chilling and feeling relaxed and comfortable being
56:38
Speaker 1: whole in a new place. That would have been just
56:41
Speaker 1: as good. Yeah, And we didn't, I mean, clearly We
56:43
Speaker 1: had a lot to say, and we didn't even talk
56:45
Speaker 1: about as she kind of moves into her old place
56:48
Speaker 1: and that and the new the young younger girl. Yes,
56:52
Speaker 1: the neighbors being old and being the witch calling like
56:56
Speaker 1: how she lives. That wasn't me. I wasn't asleep. Yeah, yeah,
57:01
Speaker 1: you know, I agree. I think that would have been
57:03
Speaker 1: a good And I was kind of hoping it was
57:06
Speaker 1: going to lean that way when it sort of felt
57:08
Speaker 1: like she's reconnecting with Samantha, like these the women in
57:13
Speaker 1: her life, having those strong like it would focus on that.
57:17
Speaker 1: And it's not like this was a super strong focus,
57:19
Speaker 1: but it was just kind of like it didn't need
57:21
Speaker 1: to be there. That's what I felt like. I totally
57:22
Speaker 1: didn't need to be right. And now I'm like, wait
57:25
Speaker 1: a minute, your podcast is doomed. It's a podcast is now. Yes,
57:34
Speaker 1: And I also love like we we've got to stop
57:36
Speaker 1: talking about this, Samantha. But I did want to mention
57:38
Speaker 1: I did love Miranda and Nia when Nia asked Miranda
57:43
Speaker 1: about regret um of being a mother and not being
57:46
Speaker 1: a mother, and I really liked that conversation where she's
57:48
Speaker 1: like almost like you're going to regret it? No, matter what,
57:51
Speaker 1: but you're also going to love it no matter what. Right.
57:54
Speaker 1: I think that was a great conversation to like talking
57:56
Speaker 1: about being a mother, because essentially Morena was not intending
57:59
Speaker 1: to be a mom. Yeah. So I feel like I think,
58:07
Speaker 1: you know, there was a lot of things that I
58:08
Speaker 1: appreciate they addressed, and some of them they you know,
58:11
Speaker 1: this growing pains, and they didn't do super well, and
58:13
Speaker 1: some of them they did really well. But I feel
58:17
Speaker 1: I feel like I'm glad they're trying, and I hope
58:20
Speaker 1: that they get better. But there are clearly a lot
58:23
Speaker 1: of conversations sparked. And that's one thing I will say
58:25
Speaker 1: about the show is it gets people talking about these things. Yeah, man,
58:31
Speaker 1: it is. I think that we should have more of
58:32
Speaker 1: these conversations, and we should be able to critique it
58:36
Speaker 1: and have a criticism of it and hopefully make it better.
58:39
Speaker 1: And if they do have a season two, hopefully we'll
58:42
Speaker 1: see it and make it better. Yeah, exactly, exactly. Well, listeners,
58:47
Speaker 1: we've got so many great letters from you all about
58:50
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