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Patriots Unfiltered 10/7: Raiders Preview, Maintaining Momentum, Team/League Updates · Patriots Unfiltered

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  Speaker 2: Listener discretion is advised. Welcome to Patriots Unfiltered, presented by Toyota.com.
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  Speaker 3: Alex can't go through the building alone.
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  Speaker 2: Well, I don't... Yeah, I mean, all the people that
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  Speaker 2: stop him for autographs and pictures.
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  Speaker 4: He's getting his flowers with his bills. Josh Allen, hey,
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  Speaker 4: he's smelling his farts, as you like to say.
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  Speaker 2: He really is.
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  Speaker 3: He told you he's not good, Paul.
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  Speaker 2: Darius in Louisville writes in, I agree with Fred. That's
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  Speaker 2: why I'm reading your email. Dion Walker is much of
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  Speaker 2: a problem as well.
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  Speaker 3: He's a psycho, man. He's just, I mean.
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  Speaker 2: I admit, I don't know. Ed Drush was like, I
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  Speaker 2: know why receivers, but... Gabe Ackes makes me tingly inside. Hey,
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  Speaker 2: do you know Shabbat?
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  Speaker 3: Shabbat?
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  Speaker 2: I didn't know that rule. I didn't know that rule.
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  Speaker 2: I didn't know that rule.
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  Speaker 3: Paul and I did.
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  Speaker 2: They were doing fly sweeps. They were doing shifts into
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  Speaker 2: the formations.
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  Speaker 3: This is Patriots Unfiltered. Presented by Toyota.com.
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  Speaker 2: Alright, welcome to Patriots Unfiltered. It is Wednesday here at
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  Speaker 2: Gillette Stadium. And of course, every Wednesday we turn the page.
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  Speaker 2: Unless it's a Thursday game. Or a Monday game. Anyway,
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  Speaker 2: we're going to turn the page to the Las Vegas Raiders.
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  Speaker 2: Every time I have to think twice because I want
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  Speaker 2: to say Oakland. But it's the Las Vegas Raiders. And
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  Speaker 2: 3-1 Las Vegas Raiders. So they've snuck up on a
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  Speaker 2: few teams. Question is... Will the Patriots allow them to
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  Speaker 2: sneak up on them? Or is it really sneaking up
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  Speaker 2: on the Patriots?
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  Speaker 3: I don't know.
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  Speaker 2: We're going to talk about all of that. It's Evan.
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  Speaker 2: It's Paul. It's me. It's Matt in the booth. And so, guys,
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  Speaker 2: what are we thinking about going into this game against,
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  Speaker 2: I don't know, is it a team that we know?
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  Speaker 2: Or a team that we kind of don't know. You know,
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  Speaker 2: Kirk Cousins is the quarterback and all that.
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  Speaker 3: A little of both. New coach, new scheme.
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  Speaker 2: New coach. Yeah, but, you know, they just played Kubiak
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  Speaker 2: in the Super Bowl.
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  Speaker 5: So I would say pretty similar.
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  Speaker 4: That's the one thing that kind of worries me a
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  Speaker 4: little bit. Because I really don't have much fear of
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  Speaker 4: the Raiders. I'm going to put it out there like
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  Speaker 4: you normally do.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: You know, they're 3-1.
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  Speaker 3: That's a good record. They're off to a good start.
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  Speaker 3: It just would.
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  Speaker 4: Just say that three wins, the teams are a combined
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  Speaker 4: one and 11 that they beat.
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  Speaker 2: Okay. Fair enough.
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  Speaker 4: I'm not overly concerned.
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  Speaker 2: People would do that to us.
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  Speaker 4: I'm not overly concerned with the Raiders per se, but
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  Speaker 4: Evan touched on something right there with Kubiak. You're right.
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  Speaker 3: They just prepared for his offense, but he also prepared
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  Speaker 3: for their defense.
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  Speaker 2: Yep.
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  Speaker 4: And I do think some of the things that Zach
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  Speaker 4: Kord does might take a little getting used to. some
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  Speaker 4: of the different schemes that they use and the stunts
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  Speaker 4: up front. And I think it's probably realistic that Kubiak
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  Speaker 4: is a little bit more prepared for some of that
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  Speaker 4: stuff than maybe some other guys would be.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I just think if I was a team in
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  Speaker 3: their position, I'd feel pretty good right now.
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  Speaker 7: I mean, you draft Mendoza and Cousins has come in
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  Speaker 7: and played really well, so you don't feel the need
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  Speaker 7: to rush Mendoza. I think Brady would probably agree. I
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  Speaker 7: wonder if his You know, fingerprints are a little bit
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  Speaker 7: on this. In his perfect world, Mendoza's got a chance
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  Speaker 7: to develop.
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  Speaker 3: Is he starting? No, no. But, you know, it's just
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  Speaker 3: they got Cousins there.
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  Speaker 7: It's like when you brought Brissette, and Brissette was okay
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  Speaker 7: enough that the drums started beating pretty quick when he
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  Speaker 7: didn't play well.
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  Speaker 3: Now Cousins has played really well. He's thrown 11 touchdowns.
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  Speaker 7: He really seems like he's leaning on these tight ends
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  Speaker 7: and throwing the gente out of the backfield. So I
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  Speaker 7: think that they're in a good spot. You've got to
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  Speaker 7: feel pretty good. You brought a new coach in. You're
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  Speaker 7: off to a 3-1 start. I mean, Paul mentioned the schedule,
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  Speaker 7: but when you're that team and you're in relegation and
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  Speaker 7: you're down near the bottom, beat the good teams. So
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  Speaker 7: I think for them, this is a little bit more
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  Speaker 7: of a measuring stick on the road. I mean, they
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  Speaker 7: played Kansas City tough last week, but division game, you.
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  Speaker 3: Know each other.
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  Speaker 7: A little more unknown this week. I think it's a
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  Speaker 7: great test for the Patriots. It's a good team.
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  Speaker 5: They scored that last touchdown with like a minute.
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  Speaker 4: Well, yeah, but they should have been able to score that.
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  Speaker 4: If they don't fumble the kickoff there, they had the lead.
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  Speaker 2: It's 30-19 with two minutes to go.
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  Speaker 3: But with four minutes to go, the Raiders were winning. Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: that's fair.
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  Speaker 4: Kenneth Walker scored two touchdowns in the last four minutes
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  Speaker 4: of the game.
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  Speaker 2: I just, I'm kind of with you about the, like.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm more focusing on their wins than the loss.
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  Speaker 5: I think that what they've done a good job of,
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  Speaker 5: and it was kind of similar to, I would say
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  Speaker 5: the Patriots more last year, is they spent all this
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  Speaker 5: money in free agency to bring in a bunch of
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  Speaker 5: veteran guys that could just kind of raise the floor
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  Speaker 5: of the team.
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  Speaker 2: And so far it's worked.
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  Speaker 5: They spent, you know, $ 230 million in guaranteed money in
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  Speaker 5: free agency last year.
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  Speaker 2: Well, that's the thing. Yes, they beat bad teams, but
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  Speaker 2: they were a bad team. So does this mean that
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  Speaker 2: they've now... They're not a bad team anymore.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, I think, like, you know, if you look at
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  Speaker 5: the advanced metrics that adjust for schedule and all that stuff,
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  Speaker 5: they're probably now closer to middle of the pack versus
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  Speaker 5: bottom of the league.
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  Speaker 2: And, you know, that's to their credit. That's good.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, they've gotten good offensive coaching, especially, I would say.
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  Speaker 5: You know, Clint Kubiak is another Shanahan guy, and he's another,
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  Speaker 5: you know, his father, obviously, is a big-time Shanahan guy.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah.
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  Speaker 5: They're doing a lot of the same things that they
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  Speaker 5: did in Seattle offensively. They've honestly done a lot of
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  Speaker 5: the same things defensively, too, as what the Seahawks do.
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  Speaker 5: They're trying to emulate schematically what Kubiak was doing with
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  Speaker 5: the Seahawks last year. I would just say Bowers is
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  Speaker 5: obviously great. but they don't really have, like, a vertical threat.
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  Speaker 5: You know, Trey Tucker's, like, a speed slot kind of player,
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  Speaker 5: but he's more like a Pop Douglas than, like, an
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  Speaker 5: outside-the-numbers vertical threat. Their run game has not been very good.
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  Speaker 2: It's surprising, because Jenty's a good player. We think.
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  Speaker 4: Okay.
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  Speaker 2: TBD on that. And so....
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  Speaker 5: Their run game hasn't been good statistically. They don't really
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  Speaker 5: have much of a deep passing game. It's a lot
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  Speaker 5: of first and second level breaking routes, right? Like slants
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  Speaker 5: and outs and ins and angle routes and things like that,
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  Speaker 5: that Kirk Cousins is playing with pretty good rhythm on.
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  Speaker 5: So that's really like, I think the thing is, is
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  Speaker 5: that they've started well. But I do feel like they're
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  Speaker 5: a little bit limited offensively that once teams start to
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  Speaker 5: get more tape on them and start to realize what
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  Speaker 5: it is that they're doing around Kirk Cousins, I worry
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  Speaker 5: for them that maybe they're going to start getting some
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  Speaker 5: things taken away and then we'll see about how, you know,
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  Speaker 5: if Kirk Cousins can keep this up because, you know,
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  Speaker 5: I still don't feel like they really threaten you in
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  Speaker 5: certain ways, especially throwing the ball down the field.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, the success the Patriots had last week with
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  Speaker 2: Kincaid should bode well for Bowers this week, or no?
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, I think he's probably a better player, and they're
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  Speaker 5: a little bit more unique in how they use him.
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  Speaker 5: They line him out wide a lot, and he basically
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  Speaker 5: plays like a wide receiver in a lot of their formations.
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  Speaker 2: So what are you going to do? Are you going to.
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  Speaker 5: Have one of the corners cover him if they're going
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  Speaker 5: to play man? Are you going to have the safeties?
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  Speaker 5: Do you trust the safeties? Are you going to just
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  Speaker 5: kind of be aware of him and, you know, do
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  Speaker 5: different things zone coverage wise to have hyper awareness like
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  Speaker 5: they did with Kincaid? I think those are all questions about.
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  Speaker 5: Bauer specifically, because if you cover Bowers with a safety,
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  Speaker 5: then he's going to give you trouble. I think that
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  Speaker 5: that's a mismatch, regardless pretty much of who the safety
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  Speaker 5: is across the NFL.
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  Speaker 2: So that's a big one.
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  Speaker 5: But like I said, I think that they're, to use
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  Speaker 5: your term, Fred, I think they're kind of easy to
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  Speaker 5: defend on paper.
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  Speaker 2: I don't really think that there's much else to worry about.
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  Speaker 2: How's their O-line?
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  Speaker 5: Their offensive line, they've invested a lot in it, and
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  Speaker 5: Tyler Linderbaum came over as their big free agent signing
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  Speaker 5: at center. It's been hit or miss, especially as a
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  Speaker 5: run-blocking unit right now. Pass protection's been pretty good, but
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  Speaker 5: the run-blocking's been so-so, and Jenty hasn't really gotten going. Actually,
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  Speaker 5: their rookie, Mike Washington, is kind of having a better run.
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  Speaker 5: start to the season than genti right now so i
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  Speaker 5: don't know what's going on with that but um it's
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  Speaker 5: it's an interesting offense uh because they are built from
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  Speaker 5: the tight ends and uh they're built like with all
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  Speaker 5: these kind of rhythm throws underneath the defense and stuff
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  Speaker 5: like that i just wonder once teams start to get
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  Speaker 5: a beat on that's what they're kind of doing i
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  Speaker 5: i don't know if they have a a left hand
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  Speaker 5: you know left hook uh to to complement.
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  Speaker 4: It i have visions of core really getting after Kirk Cousins.
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  Speaker 4: Kind of like what you saw with Rodgers in week two.
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  Speaker 4: An older guy who doesn't move as well as he
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  Speaker 4: once did. Not that Cousins was ever a tremendously mobile guy,
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  Speaker 4: but now I think he's 38 now. He obviously doesn't
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  Speaker 4: move that well I have visions of maybe trying to
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  Speaker 4: heat him up.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, was Spaggs trying to do that last week? I mean,
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  Speaker 3: that's kind of Spaggs' thing, too.
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  Speaker 2: A little bit.
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  Speaker 5: A little bit, but I'd say they probably played more
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  Speaker 5: coverage than they usually do. I think that the biggest thing,
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  Speaker 5: just looking at the splits, is he has a tough
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  Speaker 5: time with split safety coverages because... With split safety coverages,
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  Speaker 5: you're taking away the underneath stuff.
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  Speaker 2: You're taking away the flats. You're taking away the slants.
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  Speaker 5: You're taking away stuff like that, and you're forcing the
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  Speaker 5: quarterback to push the ball down the field, whether it's
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  Speaker 5: outside the numbers or through the deep middle of the field.
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  Speaker 5: I just think at this stage of his career, I
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  Speaker 5: don't think Kirk Cousins is dotting guys through the middle
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  Speaker 5: of the field like that consistently. So when Spags last week,
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  Speaker 5: when they kind of started to slow that offense down
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  Speaker 5: a little bit, they started to go to a lot
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  Speaker 5: more split safety shell and Two man because he doesn't
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  Speaker 5: run so you can play a lot of cover two
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  Speaker 5: and things like that. So I look at the splits
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  Speaker 5: and it's like when you play single high against him,
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  Speaker 5: he's one of the best quarterbacks in the league. And
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  Speaker 5: when you play split safety, he's one of the worst.
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  Speaker 5: So these are all the sort of trends that once
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  Speaker 5: we four or five weeks into the season, that teams
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  Speaker 5: are going to start to pick up on when they're
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  Speaker 5: defending the Raiders.
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  Speaker 7: They also lead the league with nine takeaways, but I'm
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  Speaker 7: kind of an Evan, especially, I don't know how much
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  Speaker 7: of that side of street you are, but like They've
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  Speaker 7: got a rookie I blank on his name.
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  Speaker 3: He's got three interceptions already. But I felt like they
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  Speaker 3: were just throwing it to him. Hezekiah Moses?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I liked him coming out.
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  Speaker 3: It's one of those ones where he's just in the right.
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  Speaker 7: It's Paul's thing where he's just received all the turnovers
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  Speaker 7: just kind of thrown to him. It wasn't like he's making.
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  Speaker 7: So I think that's a little bit circumstantial. But I
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  Speaker 7: do think it's something to be wary of with the
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  Speaker 7: way the Patriots have turned the ball over.
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  Speaker 4: And that would be my concern. The Patriots have been
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  Speaker 4: a little sloppy with the ball. And, you know, sometimes
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  Speaker 4: those things are, you know. You just have one of
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  Speaker 4: those years where the ball just comes to you.
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  Speaker 2: You need six games before the data set really becomes valuable.
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  Speaker 4: But I'm just saying, like, sometimes, like, maybe the Raiders
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  Speaker 4: defense isn't great. You know, because I don't think the
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  Speaker 4: Raiders defense is great.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, they've struggled to stop. Statistically, they've been really good.
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  Speaker 4: But they take the ball away. And sometimes that just
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  Speaker 4: the momentum of that.
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  Speaker 3: Carries over week to week.
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  Speaker 4: They just, the ball finds you, you know, and the
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  Speaker 4: Patriots have been a little loose with the ball.
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  Speaker 3: So that would be one concern for me.
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  Speaker 2: I would say, uh, force fumbles. They forced five fumbles, uh,
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  Speaker 2: That's how they beat the Chargers.
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  Speaker 5: That's also how they heated up Tyler Shuck and got
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  Speaker 5: him to fumble a couple times, too. And they had
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  Speaker 5: one that actually there was a penalty that wiped out
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  Speaker 5: another one.
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  Speaker 2: So they could have had three of them.
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  Speaker 4: I believe the Saints turned it over on four consecutive
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  Speaker 4: possessions in that game.
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  Speaker 3: I may or may not have been paying attention to
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  Speaker 3: that one, Mike. Is that a red zone?
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  Speaker 5: They come after them, and they run a lot of
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  Speaker 5: cover zero. Deuce and I were talking about this yesterday.
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  Speaker 5: They're the only team in the league that have over 10%
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  Speaker 5: cover zero rate, so they're sending all-out pressure. Now, last
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  Speaker 5: week against Mahomes, Mahomes started rolling out. He would see
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  Speaker 5: the pressure, and he would start buying time by rolling
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  Speaker 5: out or drifting back in the pocket, and he hit
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  Speaker 5: three bombs against them, you know, because they're playing with
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  Speaker 5: single coverage in the back end. So one of them,
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  Speaker 5: poor Taekwon, broke.
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  Speaker 3: His leg on.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, my God. That was terrible.
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  Speaker 3: But, yeah, so.
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  Speaker 3: I couldn't believe he popped up. Like, and it was
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  Speaker 3: funny because he didn't know.
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  Speaker 6: Right.
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  Speaker 7: He didn't know. And like watching the highlights. And then
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  Speaker 7: I still just, and they showed him like, make the catch.
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  Speaker 7: It kind of popped up. Like, wait, I thought he
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  Speaker 7: got hurt on that play. Like, cause I didn't see
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  Speaker 7: the actual play, but then yeah, just the adrenaline.
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  Speaker 3: He got up and he started to point the first down.
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  Speaker 3: And then he looked at his ankles on the side.
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  Speaker 3: That hurts. Poor guy. I mean, he just can't catch
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  Speaker 3: a break.
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  Speaker 2: He's having the game of his life.
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  Speaker 5: But those cover zeros maybe got a little bit exposed
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  Speaker 5: last week by the Chiefs. So I think maybe they
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  Speaker 5: turned that down. But over 10% of all-out pressure is really,
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  Speaker 5: really high. They're setting the house pretty consistently. And especially
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  Speaker 5: in the red zone, I would say they say, well,
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  Speaker 5: we're not going to need a deep safety anyway.
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  Speaker 2: So the fact that they are doing that, does that
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  Speaker 2: say that they're not getting the pressure that they want?
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  Speaker 2: just rushing four or three. I would say outside of Crosby.
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  Speaker 7: Adam Butler's still kicking too. I mean, he's okay inside.
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  Speaker 7: He's always been okay. Yeah, I mean, in terms of
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  Speaker 7: the numbers, it's not great with their front four, but
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  Speaker 7: they're very effective with the blitzes. I mean, that's when
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  Speaker 7: they're like the number one team in the league with
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  Speaker 7: pressure when they blitz. They don't do it very often,
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  Speaker 7: but when they do, they tend to you know, get
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  Speaker 7: to the quarterback.
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  Speaker 2: Is Max Crosby still a problem? Oh yeah.
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  Speaker 5: I think Max Crosby right now is on the short
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  Speaker 5: list for defensive player of the year. If the Raiders
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  Speaker 5: keep playing the way that they're playing. So he's, he's awesome.
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  Speaker 5: You know, he rushes over the right tackle exclusively. So
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  Speaker 5: Morgan Moses is problem. Uh, but when, when you really
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  Speaker 5: think about it, like, you know, I think the biggest
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  Speaker 5: part about Crosby is that he, he not only is
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  Speaker 5: good against the past, but he's also really good in
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  Speaker 5: against the run.
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  Speaker 2: So he's just an instinctive player.
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  Speaker 5: In both phases where a lot of these rushers, like
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  Speaker 5: they're really good pass rushers, but they're maybe not as
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  Speaker 5: interested in stopping the run. Um, He'll blow up run plays, too.
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  Speaker 5: So you've got to be worried about him all the time.
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  Speaker 5: But they've used Quay Walker a little bit as a
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  Speaker 5: rush linebacker on the line of scrimmage to try to
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  Speaker 5: juice the pass rush up a little bit. But I
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  Speaker 5: think they are one of those teams kind of similar
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  Speaker 5: to the Patriots that is blitzing a lot of the time.
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  Speaker 2: Who's their D coordinator?
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  Speaker 5: Rob Leonard is their defensive coordinator. And he actually was
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  Speaker 5: hired by Josh McDaniels in Vegas under Patrick Graham, and
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  Speaker 5: he survived four head coaches.
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  Speaker 2: Vegas.
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  Speaker 5: McDaniels, Pierce, Carroll, and now the defensive coordinator for Clint Kubiak.
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  Speaker 3: Does that ever happen?
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  Speaker 7: A new coach comes in and they take the defensive
• 14:23
  Speaker 7: line coach from the old team and be like, you're
• 14:25
  Speaker 7: our guy?
• 14:26
  Speaker 5: It's interesting and he doesn't really have, I can't really
• 14:29
  Speaker 5: find a tie to Seattle, I guess maybe Baltimore.
• 14:34
  Speaker 2: He was on John Harbaugh's staff for a little.
• 14:36
  Speaker 5: Bit, but they run a lot of their base structure
• 14:40
  Speaker 5: stuff is a lot of the Seattle stuff.
• 14:42
  Speaker 2: It's a lot of uh, you know, cover three, cover
• 14:45
  Speaker 2: six quarters, two high shells, uh, that sort of thing.
• 14:48
  Speaker 2: So I don't know if that's Kubiak just like saying,
• 14:51
  Speaker 2: this is what we're going to do, uh, or what, uh,
• 14:54
  Speaker 2: or maybe Leonard has like more of a connection to
• 14:56
  Speaker 2: that McDonald's system than I know.
• 14:58
  Speaker 5: But, uh, they, they look on both sides of the ball.
• 15:01
  Speaker 5: It looks, they look a lot like Seattle schematically. So they're,
• 15:04
  Speaker 5: they're trying to do a lot of the same thing.
• 15:06
  Speaker 3: It's kind of fun.
• 15:06
  Speaker 7: I mean, that to me is, is, is an appealing
• 15:08
  Speaker 7: matchup to, you know, see Drake got a little confidence
• 15:10
  Speaker 7: going and now, there's very high likelihood that Kubiak's going
• 15:15
  Speaker 7: to throw some of the stuff that's given him problems,
• 15:16
  Speaker 7: especially in the Super Bowl.
• 15:17
  Speaker 3: Adam, again, he's here at home, though. And I mean, also,
• 15:20
  Speaker 3: like Devin's point, like, the Raiders, it is what it is.
• 15:22
  Speaker 7: Their start, they're kind of, you know, I would say
• 15:24
  Speaker 7: generally above the Patriots in, like, the rankings of all
• 15:27
  Speaker 7: that stuff. And, you know, for the Patriots, it's a
• 15:29
  Speaker 7: chance to, you know, beat another pretty solid team and
• 15:31
  Speaker 7: continue to build some momentum.
• 15:33
  Speaker 3: It's not you know, lambs to the slaughter this week, and, oh,
• 15:35
  Speaker 3: they better win this one. They can't lose it.
• 15:36
  Speaker 4: Like, this is a pretty good team. I think this
• 15:38
  Speaker 4: is a better win this one.
• 15:40
  Speaker 3: They can't.
• 15:41
  Speaker 4: After you go to Buffalo and win that game, you
• 15:43
  Speaker 4: can't give it back. You can't give it back.
• 15:45
  Speaker 2: That's my biggest concern. I can't have a letdown because
• 15:47
  Speaker 2: we used to make fun of other teams.
• 15:49
  Speaker 3: Yep.
• 15:49
  Speaker 4: They just won their Super Bowl last week. I couldn't
• 15:51
  Speaker 4: agree with you more, Fred. That would be the mentality.
• 15:54
  Speaker 5: That's my biggest concern is not so much about what
• 15:56
  Speaker 5: the Raiders are doing.
• 15:57
  Speaker 2: It's more so.
• 15:58
  Speaker 5: The letdown of– big divisional win on the road backs
• 16:01
  Speaker 5: against the wall.
• 16:02
  Speaker 2: Now you're coming home. It's the Raiders. It's not really
• 16:05
  Speaker 2: a great team on paper. And you kind of let go.
• 16:07
  Speaker 4: And I'm not suggesting them like the crappy team.
• 16:10
  Speaker 3: They're not, they're not, they're not the Titans.
• 16:14
  Speaker 2: Okay. They might be playing with a backup quarterback, but,
• 16:16
  Speaker 2: but they're not the bills either.
• 16:17
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 16:18
  Speaker 4: And this is a team. I'm sorry at home. This
• 16:21
  Speaker 4: is a non-playoff team. They're not going to be in
• 16:23
  Speaker 4: the play. I don't think they're going.
• 16:24
  Speaker 3: To be in the playoffs at the end of the year.
• 16:26
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 16:27
  Speaker 4: This is a game at home that you need to
• 16:28
  Speaker 4: win coming off that win. And I would say the
• 16:31
  Speaker 4: same about the following game against the Jets. Again, you know,
• 16:35
  Speaker 4: Evan and I have sort of been bickering a little
• 16:37
  Speaker 4: bit about the Jets. Not real bickering, just kind of
• 16:39
  Speaker 4: sports bickering. You know, that I do think it's very
• 16:42
  Speaker 4: similar to what the Raiders did. You know, you brought
• 16:45
  Speaker 4: up Quay Walker, N'Kobi Deans, another guy. Those are good,
• 16:49
  Speaker 4: just good NFL players, not stars. Quiddie Paye, who I
• 16:53
  Speaker 4: think got banged up, right?
• 16:54
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 16:54
  Speaker 4: But those guys help young teams that are trying to
• 16:58
  Speaker 4: learn how to win. Not that they're stars, but they're
• 17:00
  Speaker 4: NFL players.
• 17:01
  Speaker 8: Yeah.
• 17:01
  Speaker 4: And the Jets did a very similar thing with guys
• 17:03
  Speaker 4: like Demario David.
• 17:04
  Speaker 3: You know, just... They're not good like teams.
• 17:09
  Speaker 2: They bring instability.
• 17:10
  Speaker 3: The phrase that you used, raise the floor.
• 17:12
  Speaker 2: That's exactly what the Patriots did last year.
• 17:15
  Speaker 4: Do you remember the game that the Patriots played against
• 17:17
  Speaker 4: the Jets late last year at the Meadowlands? It was
• 17:21
  Speaker 4: against a JV team. There were literally 30 players who
• 17:24
  Speaker 4: were not NFL players playing for the Jets that day.
• 17:26
  Speaker 4: That's not what you're going to see the next two weeks.
• 17:28
  Speaker 4: There'll be regular games that you should win because the
• 17:32
  Speaker 4: other team isn't good enough. I don't think, to beat
• 17:35
  Speaker 4: the Patriots if the Patriots are focused. And that's why
• 17:38
  Speaker 4: I say, I'm not telling you that they can't lose
• 17:40
  Speaker 4: this game.
• 17:40
  Speaker 3: They can.
• 17:41
  Speaker 4: You want to get Max Crosby to have a strip
• 17:43
  Speaker 4: sack and give him seven points? That's how you can
• 17:46
  Speaker 4: lose the game. They have individual players. This is not
• 17:51
  Speaker 4: the Titans. This is not last year. It's not New Orleans, Tennessee, Cleveland,
• 17:56
  Speaker 4: back to back to back. This is a regular NFL team.
• 18:01
  Speaker 4: Middle of the pack team. But you should win at home.
• 18:03
  Speaker 2: The Patriots aren't this truck yet either. So we're still
• 18:07
  Speaker 2: trying to figure out who this team is. And so, yeah,
• 18:10
  Speaker 2: you have to... treat every game as losable, which I
• 18:14
  Speaker 2: think they are.
• 18:15
  Speaker 7: I know a different team, but you lost to.
• 18:17
  Speaker 3: Them last year.
• 18:18
  Speaker 2: And you also have to talk about injuries. And so
• 18:21
  Speaker 2: let's turn to that right now.
• 18:22
  Speaker 3: We're going to find out more about that later today.
• 18:25
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so we'll get our first participation report after this
• 18:28
  Speaker 2: Wednesday practice. But any more news? I mean, the fact
• 18:33
  Speaker 2: that they tried out a running.
• 18:35
  Speaker 5: Back, And a well-known running back. Jamal Williams is not
• 18:40
  Speaker 5: a nobody running back.
• 18:42
  Speaker 2: We saw Ramondre limp off a little bit during the game.
• 18:47
  Speaker 2: He seemed okay after the game, but I don't know.
• 18:51
  Speaker 2: Maybe Gilliam got banged up. I don't know. You always
• 18:54
  Speaker 2: look at what they're doing, not what they're saying. Out
• 18:58
  Speaker 2: of the blue, you're having an audition for a running back.
• 19:01
  Speaker 7: I would just say, and no offense to Corey Kiner,
• 19:03
  Speaker 7: but I think there's still a running back short that
• 19:05
  Speaker 7: you feel great about.
• 19:07
  Speaker 3: Not that Williams is going to be that guy.
• 19:09
  Speaker 2: Does Williams return kicks? I don't think he does.
• 19:12
  Speaker 5: I mean, like, he's definitely more of, like, a remandre, like,
• 19:14
  Speaker 5: you know, bruising, downhill kind of runner.
• 19:17
  Speaker 2: So, maybe. I mean, you know, who knows. I just...
• 19:20
  Speaker 2: Because I think if there's one thing on special teams
• 19:23
  Speaker 2: that I could nitpick, I don't think our return game
• 19:25
  Speaker 2: has been that great.
• 19:26
  Speaker 5: Kyle Williams had a couple that have been okay. I...
• 19:31
  Speaker 5: If it's not injury related with Ramondre, I am starting
• 19:34
  Speaker 5: to wonder about Travion Henderson and how reliable they think
• 19:38
  Speaker 5: he is right now. I mean, he had the one
• 19:40
  Speaker 5: big run against Pittsburgh and the rest of it has
• 19:43
  Speaker 5: been kind of so-so. And, you know, you talk about kickoffs. Well,
• 19:47
  Speaker 5: they haven't wanted to use Travion Henderson on kickoffs because
• 19:50
  Speaker 5: of injury risks, because he is the top backup to
• 19:52
  Speaker 5: Ramondre Stevenson. So if you bring in another running back,
• 19:55
  Speaker 5: like Jamal Williams, who you believe in and think can,
• 19:58
  Speaker 5: can play a little bit, like, does that allow you
• 20:00
  Speaker 5: to just use Travion Henderson on more gadget plays on
• 20:03
  Speaker 5: kickoff return, like on some of these other situations to.
• 20:06
  Speaker 2: Try to get him.
• 20:07
  Speaker 5: It's a good, you know, take, But I think it's probably, unfortunately,
• 20:12
  Speaker 5: more injury-related to Armandre. But that's just the way I
• 20:15
  Speaker 5: look at it. They need to find ways to get
• 20:18
  Speaker 5: Travion Henderson the ball in space. And that's his game.
• 20:22
  Speaker 5: And his game is not going to be, I'm going
• 20:24
  Speaker 5: to line up in the dot and take the handoff
• 20:25
  Speaker 5: and run it up the gut and find the lane
• 20:28
  Speaker 5: and have great vision and jump cuts. That's just not
• 20:31
  Speaker 5: going to be his strength.
• 20:33
  Speaker 2: But like I said yesterday, I did see some things
• 20:36
  Speaker 2: from Henderson today that really encouraged me last game. And
• 20:39
  Speaker 2: I'm excited to see if he brings that again this week. Yeah.
• 20:43
  Speaker 7: I'd also just say a good sign that, you know,
• 20:45
  Speaker 7: Matt Collins didn't end up on IR. There wasn't, you know,
• 20:47
  Speaker 7: a receiver coming in. We'll see today when we go
• 20:50
  Speaker 7: out to practice exactly who's out there. But usually those
• 20:53
  Speaker 7: are the things when that like Monday report after he
• 20:55
  Speaker 7: goes to the doctor.
• 20:56
  Speaker 3: And then all of a sudden rap sheet or whoever
• 20:58
  Speaker 3: is tweeting out.
• 20:59
  Speaker 8: Yeah.
• 20:59
  Speaker 2: I mean, Matt Collins, you know, Yesterday, or Monday, said,
• 21:03
  Speaker 2: you know, we won't have him for a few days.
• 21:05
  Speaker 2: Is that what he said about Hollins?
• 21:07
  Speaker 4: Yeah, he started by saying he won't practice for the
• 21:09
  Speaker 4: next couple of days, which kind of led me to
• 21:10
  Speaker 4: believe they don't think it's overly.
• 21:13
  Speaker 3: Serious, not long-term. It's on a tour in Achilles, probably.
• 21:16
  Speaker 4: But then shortly thereafter, he's asked about the possibility of
• 21:19
  Speaker 4: bringing someone in, and I don't think it was just
• 21:22
  Speaker 4: coach speak, like, oh, we're always looking to upgrade our team.
• 21:25
  Speaker 4: He said, no, that's something we're going to explore shortly.
• 21:27
  Speaker 2: Yeah. So... I found his answer about Matt Collins very interesting.
• 21:32
  Speaker 4: Explain that, because I agree.
• 21:35
  Speaker 5: Last Monday, he said that Drake May's shoulder was fine
• 21:39
  Speaker 5: in the Monday press conference, and I think his shoulder
• 21:43
  Speaker 5: is fine, but his shoulder wasn't 100%, and then Drake
• 21:49
  Speaker 5: May did get treatment after the press conference or something,
• 21:51
  Speaker 5: and then it ends up.
• 21:53
  Speaker 2: On the injury report. I think that whole thing.
• 21:56
  Speaker 5: With Matt Collins, he was very quick to say, I
• 21:59
  Speaker 5: don't really know yet. I don't have information on it.
• 22:05
  Speaker 2: Talk about Drake. They put him on the injury report
• 22:08
  Speaker 2: because it had already kind of got out there that
• 22:13
  Speaker 2: maybe there was something, and I think just so that
• 22:16
  Speaker 2: there is no question, let's put him on there so
• 22:20
  Speaker 2: no one can accuse us of trying to circumvent the
• 22:25
  Speaker 2: injury rules. But this is my point.
• 22:27
  Speaker 5: Like, Drake May comes out after the game on Sunday
• 22:29
  Speaker 5: in Jacksonville, and, like, it's kind of a little wishy-washy
• 22:33
  Speaker 5: about his shoulder. Then Mike Vrabel says the next day
• 22:36
  Speaker 5: that he's not aware of anything with his shoulder.
• 22:38
  Speaker 2: But that's why, you know, just so no one can
• 22:41
  Speaker 2: accuse us of anything, put him on the report. Right,
• 22:44
  Speaker 2: but instead of coming out and saying, we think Matt
• 22:47
  Speaker 2: Collins is fine, this week he was a little bit
• 22:50
  Speaker 2: more evasive. Because he doesn't know. So don't say anything.
• 22:54
  Speaker 2: This is my point. Yeah. Well, but listen, when Belichick
• 22:59
  Speaker 2: was here, I always kind of defended him in the
• 23:01
  Speaker 2: way he treated injuries. You can't win getting specific about injuries.
• 23:07
  Speaker 2: Everybody's different. You don't know how they're going to wake
• 23:09
  Speaker 2: up tomorrow. If you start giving timelines, you don't know
• 23:14
  Speaker 2: how his recovery. But who's lost by doing that? No,
• 23:16
  Speaker 2: but if you stay consistent and just give the bare minimum,
• 23:20
  Speaker 2: you can never get yourself in trouble. And I think
• 23:24
  Speaker 2: that's exactly what happened. Yourself or the player. So just
• 23:27
  Speaker 2: give the minimum. So I kind of defended Belichick in
• 23:30
  Speaker 2: the way he handled talking about injuries. I just think
• 23:34
  Speaker 2: that's exactly what happened.
• 23:35
  Speaker 5: I think last week the Drake May shoulder thing got
• 23:37
  Speaker 5: a little wishy-washy. And then I think this week with
• 23:40
  Speaker 5: Matt Collins, he was a little bit more guarded about
• 23:43
  Speaker 5: the information he was giving out.
• 23:44
  Speaker 2: And I think that that, I'm not saying it's a
• 23:46
  Speaker 2: bad thing.
• 23:46
  Speaker 4: I think they're still trying to get information on Matt Collins.
• 23:49
  Speaker 4: I really don't think he knows.
• 23:50
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 23:51
  Speaker 4: I think they were still doing tests on whatever the
• 23:55
  Speaker 4: issue is. I mean, I know they said calf, but
• 23:57
  Speaker 4: we all know, like in Evans. You know, side hustle
• 24:01
  Speaker 4: is the NBA, and how many times do.
• 24:03
  Speaker 2: You see a calf? We go in speed bridge?
• 24:04
  Speaker 4: No, but how many times do you see someone say
• 24:07
  Speaker 4: a calf strain, and then it turns out to be
• 24:10
  Speaker 4: much more serious than that?
• 24:12
  Speaker 2: Or, unfortunately, the calf strain is a precursor to Achilles.
• 24:16
  Speaker 4: That's what I'm talking about.
• 24:17
  Speaker 5: So, like, if you play on a strained calf and
• 24:19
  Speaker 5: it's not 100%, then usually that's when the Achilles stuff goes.
• 24:22
  Speaker 2: The same thing happened to me. And probably you, Paul, right?
• 24:24
  Speaker 2: Did you have calf problems before you were killed?
• 24:26
  Speaker 9: No, I just blew it out.
• 24:27
  Speaker 2: You just blew it out. So that's why you see
• 24:29
  Speaker 2: a lot of NBA players.
• 24:29
  Speaker 4: No warning signs.
• 24:30
  Speaker 3: Too much Diet Pepsi. You put it under a lot
• 24:32
  Speaker 3: of pressure with, you know.
• 24:33
  Speaker 2: They shut it down, a lot of these guys.
• 24:35
  Speaker 5: Now, whenever there's any sort of scare with a calf,
• 24:38
  Speaker 5: they shut them down.
• 24:39
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 24:39
  Speaker 3: Because that.
• 24:39
  Speaker 4: And I'm hoping that's what this is.
• 24:41
  Speaker 2: They don't want to risk the Achilles going. Right.
• 24:44
  Speaker 4: So I hate injuries. I don't like to see guys
• 24:46
  Speaker 4: have to miss, especially serious injuries like Achilles that's going
• 24:49
  Speaker 4: to wipe a guy out for the rest of the season.
• 24:51
  Speaker 2: Like I.
• 24:53
  Speaker 4: That's the one thing about the league that, you know,
• 24:56
  Speaker 4: just stinks.
• 24:56
  Speaker 3: It's unfortunate.
• 24:57
  Speaker 4: I mean, look at all these guys around the league.
• 25:00
  Speaker 4: You know, every game that you're looking, oh, he's out,
• 25:02
  Speaker 4: he's out, he's out. Like, you know, the Eagles, you know,
• 25:06
  Speaker 4: their offense is a mess. Well, you know, they're without
• 25:09
  Speaker 4: Devontae Smith, Dallas Goddard. You know, Lane Johnson obviously had
• 25:13
  Speaker 4: his personal issue, just decided to retire. Saquon Barkley leaves
• 25:16
  Speaker 4: the game in the first. Like, there's not a lot
• 25:19
  Speaker 4: of teams that can take, like, their five best offensive
• 25:21
  Speaker 4: players and four of them are out. And everything is great.
• 25:25
  Speaker 4: Everything looks the same, you know.
• 25:27
  Speaker 2: And you just never know. It's just hard.
• 25:29
  Speaker 3: You just never know.
• 25:29
  Speaker 7: You have a year like last year with the Patriots
• 25:31
  Speaker 7: where they were remarkably healthy. I mean, had to overcome
• 25:34
  Speaker 7: a couple little bumps in the road, but generally it
• 25:35
  Speaker 7: wasn't what it is this year where it's, what, like
• 25:37
  Speaker 7: six guys or five guys on IR in the first
• 25:40
  Speaker 7: four games. I mean, it's, and then you spent all
• 25:43
  Speaker 7: summer talking about predictions and, you know, and it's like, well,
• 25:45
  Speaker 7: you didn't realize that half the team.
• 25:47
  Speaker 3: Was going to be out for that game when you
• 25:48
  Speaker 3: were making your predictions.
• 25:49
  Speaker 4: And it's like that every, every team around the league,
• 25:52
  Speaker 4: you know, the Rams are really good in, you know,
• 25:55
  Speaker 4: even they are going to be affected by missing a
• 25:58
  Speaker 4: guy like Puka Nakua.
• 25:59
  Speaker 2: And, you know, McCaffrey, oh, he's on the 49ers.
• 26:03
  Speaker 3: The Niners are a great example.
• 26:05
  Speaker 2: They have a lot of people.
• 26:05
  Speaker 4: They have a million guys out, and they're still 4-0. So, like,
• 26:10
  Speaker 4: you can still win games, but it's just challenging.
• 26:13
  Speaker 2: The 49ers have science against them, so they need to
• 26:15
  Speaker 2: figure that out.
• 26:16
  Speaker 6: Right.
• 26:18
  Speaker 7: We're lucky that our content department no one tore anything
• 26:20
  Speaker 7: while we were out there.
• 26:21
  Speaker 2: I was worried about it. We walked right by it,
• 26:24
  Speaker 2: and I was like, whoa, please stay away from me.
• 26:26
  Speaker 3: Don't try to cut.
• 26:27
  Speaker 4: It's like a scene out of Stranger Things.
• 26:30
  Speaker 2: Evan had tinfoil on his head. How's our O-line health-wise?
• 26:34
  Speaker 7: Well, see, I thought it was interesting. Vrabel said it's
• 26:36
  Speaker 7: still kind of open at right guard. He didn't commit
• 26:39
  Speaker 7: to Ben Brown back there. Evan and I were talking,
• 26:41
  Speaker 7: and I think Ben Brown was okay.
• 26:42
  Speaker 3: I've always.
• 26:43
  Speaker 7: kind of like Ben Brown. I just like his size.
• 26:46
  Speaker 7: I like him at center. I don't love him. Back
• 26:48
  Speaker 7: up O-line. Beggars can't be choosers. For a backup interior guy,
• 26:55
  Speaker 7: he was the least of their problems. That's all you
• 26:58
  Speaker 7: can hope for. I thought he got pushed around a
• 26:59
  Speaker 7: little bit. How big of a question is it right
• 27:02
  Speaker 7: now of is Morgan Moses injured? Is Morgan Moses slowing down?
• 27:06
  Speaker 7: Is Morgan Moses a combination of the two? And Are
• 27:09
  Speaker 7: we going to be able to get Morgan Moses through this.
• 27:11
  Speaker 3: Season, or is Caleb Lomo going to be the right
• 27:14
  Speaker 3: tackle sooner than later?
• 27:15
  Speaker 5: I thought that he played fine in Buffalo now. They
• 27:19
  Speaker 5: helped him a little bit with Rousseau, but I would
• 27:21
  Speaker 5: expect him to help anybody with Rousseau. I don't think
• 27:23
  Speaker 5: that that was a Morgan Moses thing. I know that
• 27:25
  Speaker 5: Deion Walker rep is rough. He gets blown up in
• 27:28
  Speaker 5: the backfield.
• 27:28
  Speaker 2: He's doing that to a lot of guys. Yeah, that
• 27:30
  Speaker 2: was a tough one. I think I only had him
• 27:32
  Speaker 2: with one or two pressures allowed in pass protection.
• 27:34
  Speaker 3: I just feel like he's not moving great.
• 27:36
  Speaker 7: When I watch him move, I'm like, this is tight
• 27:38
  Speaker 7: to me. This isn't a pop out of your stance.
• 27:41
  Speaker 7: This is an older guy kind of slowing down.
• 27:43
  Speaker 2: Granted, low mood.
• 27:45
  Speaker 5: Six offensive linemen, jumbo tackle. Like that's not, you know,
• 27:49
  Speaker 5: he's probably never done that before. So I'll give him
• 27:51
  Speaker 5: some grace to adjust to it. Like he had a,
• 27:54
  Speaker 5: a rough go of it lining up at fullback in
• 27:56
  Speaker 5: the backfield on one of those third and shorts. And,
• 27:59
  Speaker 5: but like, that's probably not something that he's used to
• 28:01
  Speaker 5: doing regularly. But when I watch Lomu right now.
• 28:04
  Speaker 2: I still feel like he's a ways away from being
• 28:06
  Speaker 2: like starting caliber.
• 28:07
  Speaker 3: I mean, it's the cousin's point.
• 28:08
  Speaker 7: It's nice when you can ease your first round pick
• 28:11
  Speaker 7: in and give, you know, give him a little bit
• 28:12
  Speaker 7: of landing or I guess takeoff space to, get things going,
• 28:16
  Speaker 7: but I don't know how much longer he's going to have.
• 28:18
  Speaker 2: Okay. All right. 855-PATS-500 is the hotline. Podcasts at Patriots.com
• 28:25
  Speaker 2: is the email address. Lots of emails coming in. Matt
• 28:32
  Speaker 2: writes in. He's from Wichita. There are two areas that
• 28:35
  Speaker 2: scare me most when it comes to the Raiders. They
• 28:38
  Speaker 2: have heavily featured tight ends this season. Last week they
• 28:41
  Speaker 2: had 14 receptions for 168 yards. and a touchdown on
• 28:45
  Speaker 2: 21 targets, the Patriots, I believe, are the best statistically
• 28:51
  Speaker 2: in the league when it comes to defending the tight end.
• 28:53
  Speaker 2: I think that is more a product of who they
• 28:55
  Speaker 2: played against with the exception of last week. But I'm
• 28:57
  Speaker 2: a little concerned to see how that shakes out. I'm
• 29:00
  Speaker 2: also concerned about Crosby coming off the edge against Morgan Moses.
• 29:05
  Speaker 2: I think wherever Crosby is, they're going to have to
• 29:08
  Speaker 2: send help or he could be a problem. I noticed
• 29:10
  Speaker 2: more Lomu last week as a 6-0 lineman. We just
• 29:13
  Speaker 2: talked about that. Might be a trend that continues to
• 29:16
  Speaker 2: help out. I think they are going to keep some
• 29:18
  Speaker 2: extra into block nearly every play. They might as well
• 29:22
  Speaker 2: not disguise it and just put Lomu over there to
• 29:24
  Speaker 2: help with Crosby. Yeah, I would say they've played a
• 29:27
  Speaker 2: lot of really good tight ends. Like A.J.
• 29:30
  Speaker 5: Barner in Seattle, the Steelers tight ends, Brenton Strange in Jacksonville,
• 29:34
  Speaker 5: Kincaid last week in Knox. I think those are some
• 29:37
  Speaker 5: of the best tight ends in football now that you've
• 29:39
  Speaker 5: got probably, I think, the best tight end in football
• 29:42
  Speaker 5: in Bowers. So I think they've played a lot of
• 29:44
  Speaker 5: really good tight ends. They've done a nice job for
• 29:46
  Speaker 5: the most part. You know, Barner got him a couple
• 29:48
  Speaker 5: of times in the opener, but they've done an okay
• 29:51
  Speaker 5: job on it. I think the difference between the, you know,
• 29:54
  Speaker 5: like with the Raiders is that like Bowers is a receiver.
• 29:56
  Speaker 5: Like Bowers is not, he's only run 11 routes as
• 30:00
  Speaker 5: an inline tight end. So he's not really like running fast.
• 30:02
  Speaker 5: routes with out of you know a three-point stance with
• 30:04
  Speaker 5: his hand in the dirt that's really Michael Mayer like
• 30:07
  Speaker 5: Michael Mayer is really their inline tight end so they
• 30:09
  Speaker 5: play a lot of two tight end packages where Bowers
• 30:12
  Speaker 5: even though he has te next to his name like
• 30:15
  Speaker 5: I would kind of say is more of a wide
• 30:16
  Speaker 5: receiver in a lot of those situations so it's it's
• 30:20
  Speaker 5: it's 12 it's too tight end but you know Bowers
• 30:23
  Speaker 5: is kind of like his own thing and that's not
• 30:25
  Speaker 5: like a knock like he's unbelievable but it's just he's
• 30:27
  Speaker 5: more of a receiver and that's how I would kind
• 30:30
  Speaker 5: of figure that they'll they'll play him and cover him.
• 30:33
  Speaker 2: Eddie in LA writes, in week one versus Miami was
• 30:36
  Speaker 2: the Raiders' most successful game running the ball, aside from
• 30:39
  Speaker 2: that they haven't really been a team that scares you
• 30:41
  Speaker 2: with the run game. So is stopping the Raiders' offense
• 30:44
  Speaker 2: just making sure that the run game doesn't get going
• 30:46
  Speaker 2: and making sure Bowers doesn't open up the rest of
• 30:48
  Speaker 2: the pass game? Would Carlton Davis make sense in man
• 30:51
  Speaker 2: coverage versus Bowers? I don't see anything else scary with
• 30:55
  Speaker 2: this offense. Also, Sam Laporta says, is reported to be
• 30:58
  Speaker 2: a free agent this offseason, reports that he stopped negotiating
• 31:01
  Speaker 2: with the Lions. Would a trade for him be out
• 31:03
  Speaker 2: of the question?
• 31:06
  Speaker 4: I mean, I don't say anything's out of the question,
• 31:08
  Speaker 4: but I would wait. I mean, why is Detroit doing that?
• 31:10
  Speaker 2: It's a pretty significant trade.
• 31:12
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, and I'm not saying that they won't
• 31:14
  Speaker 4: because there's a long time between now and the trade deadline.
• 31:18
  Speaker 4: Detroit's defense is a mess, and if they can't win games...
• 31:23
  Speaker 4: you know, they're 2-2, so they haven't pulled the plug
• 31:26
  Speaker 4: on the season at 2-2. They expect to be a
• 31:28
  Speaker 4: playoff team, but you lose four in a row, and
• 31:32
  Speaker 4: then you're 2-6, maybe things change.
• 31:35
  Speaker 2: That's what happens when you pick the wrong coach on
• 31:39
  Speaker 2: your staff.
• 31:40
  Speaker 4: So I also think that they've been victimized by a
• 31:43
  Speaker 4: lot of really bad luck defensively with, you know, we
• 31:48
  Speaker 4: talk about injuries, like, I know that some of the
• 31:52
  Speaker 4: guys that have been missing, like, like Terry and Arnold's
• 31:54
  Speaker 4: situation off field, they had to get rid of him.
• 31:56
  Speaker 4: He wasn't playing great anyway, but he'd be better than
• 32:00
  Speaker 4: like DJ Reed at this stage of his career. DJ
• 32:02
  Speaker 4: Reed wasn't a bad player, but I think he's a
• 32:04
  Speaker 4: little bit, you know, what do you say?
• 32:06
  Speaker 3: Washed it.
• 32:07
  Speaker 2: Uh, Brian branch is still hurt.
• 32:08
  Speaker 4: Brian branch hasn't come back yet from a torn Achilles.
• 32:12
  Speaker 4: So they, they tend to lose a bunch of guys
• 32:15
  Speaker 4: up front. They haven't done that yet. Um, I think
• 32:19
  Speaker 4: some of that is, you know, circumstantial with how bad
• 32:21
  Speaker 4: they've been defensively. But I don't know if you guys
• 32:25
  Speaker 4: watch any of the games Sunday night. That's some of
• 32:27
  Speaker 4: the worst defensive tape that you'll ever see. Like Carolina
• 32:31
  Speaker 4: did absolutely anything it wanted to against that defense.
• 32:34
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 32:35
  Speaker 3: I mean, Ted McMillan was like, oh, I was, yeah,
• 32:38
  Speaker 3: 14 catches, I think.
• 32:40
  Speaker 4: He didn't have that many, maybe 14 and 16 targets,
• 32:43
  Speaker 4: something like that. It wasn't like they threw the ball
• 32:46
  Speaker 4: to him 30 times.
• 32:46
  Speaker 2: He had his way with them.
• 32:47
  Speaker 4: Chuba.
• 32:48
  Speaker 3: 200 yards.
• 32:49
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 32:50
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I think Mike Washington, their second running back, he's
• 32:53
  Speaker 3: got some speed. He's fast.
• 32:55
  Speaker 7: I'd be more concerned, though, Genting in the screen game.
• 32:57
  Speaker 7: You know, I think that's, as a receiver, he's been
• 32:59
  Speaker 7: more effective. I do think stopping the run is a
• 33:02
  Speaker 7: huge key, but... I think you've got a good base
• 33:04
  Speaker 7: if you're, again, like, if you're the Raiders, you're like, shit.
• 33:06
  Speaker 10: I'm sorry.
• 33:07
  Speaker 2: Shoot. He says that a lot.
• 33:09
  Speaker 4: Shoot.
• 33:09
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 33:10
  Speaker 7: We just get an outside receiver, and, you know, we're
• 33:12
  Speaker 7: really starting, you know, they don't have anybody. Trey Tucker, fine, but,
• 33:15
  Speaker 7: you know, once they get an outside guy.
• 33:16
  Speaker 4: I'm a little surprised that, like. Jalen Naylor hasn't done
• 33:20
  Speaker 4: anything for them at all.
• 33:21
  Speaker 2: Yeah, he got banged up in the game, too. So
• 33:23
  Speaker 2: maybe that was part of it.
• 33:23
  Speaker 3: Or maybe it's been health-related.
• 33:25
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 33:25
  Speaker 4: Because he's another one of those guys that I would say, like,
• 33:28
  Speaker 4: he's not a star, but he's an NFL third, you know,
• 33:31
  Speaker 4: like a third receiver, NFL-type player that you would think
• 33:34
  Speaker 4: would be able to contribute. I think he's got, like,
• 33:36
  Speaker 4: five catches.
• 33:37
  Speaker 5: Yeah, especially if you consider Bowers is, like, you know,
• 33:41
  Speaker 5: what everybody's taking away.
• 33:43
  Speaker 4: But he also missed two games, Bowers, and that still
• 33:46
  Speaker 4: didn't really open anything up for anybody.
• 33:48
  Speaker 2: He's still, like, leading the league in receptions.
• 33:50
  Speaker 3: It's funny. I remember you. You were a big Mayer
• 33:53
  Speaker 3: fan when we were at the combine. Remember that?
• 33:55
  Speaker 2: I was a big Mayer fan, period.
• 33:57
  Speaker 5: I think that that's one of those guys I would
• 34:00
  Speaker 5: love to see here.
• 34:01
  Speaker 2: I think that he blocks well. I think he can
• 34:02
  Speaker 2: catch the football.
• 34:03
  Speaker 5: I think he's, you know, Bowers types of tight ends, like,
• 34:08
  Speaker 5: explosive player, heck of a football player, Kincaid, same thing. I,
• 34:11
  Speaker 5: you know, me, I want the guys that are going
• 34:13
  Speaker 5: to put their hand in the dirt and block some
• 34:15
  Speaker 5: people and, you know, be like kind of flexible in
• 34:19
  Speaker 5: that sense so that you're not predictable when those guys
• 34:21
  Speaker 5: are on the field and stuff like that. But, uh, the,
• 34:24
  Speaker 5: the Mike Washington gente thing is really interesting to me.
• 34:27
  Speaker 5: Like Mike Washington's definitely more, you know, they're a zone
• 34:30
  Speaker 5: running team Shanahan style, and he's much more of that,
• 34:33
  Speaker 5: like one cut runner with really good speed and, uh,
• 34:37
  Speaker 5: and like, you know, that's sort of his game.
• 34:38
  Speaker 2: Uh, gente doesn't look right to me.
• 34:40
  Speaker 5: Like he doesn't, I even like, he hasn't had great
• 34:43
  Speaker 5: blocking and I know there's stats that backed it up, but, uh, I,
• 34:46
  Speaker 5: I think that he's, you know, he looks, he just doesn't,
• 34:49
  Speaker 5: he looks a little stiff. Like he's not, you know,
• 34:52
  Speaker 5: very elusive. Like he tries to run you over, but
• 34:54
  Speaker 5: you can do that in college and you can break tackles,
• 34:56
  Speaker 5: you know, like that in college. But when you get
• 34:58
  Speaker 5: to the To the adults, it's a little bit harder
• 35:01
  Speaker 5: to do that consistently.
• 35:02
  Speaker 3: It's like another one of those muscle hamsters. Who was
• 35:04
  Speaker 3: that guy that they called the muscle hamster?
• 35:05
  Speaker 2: Doug Martin.
• 35:06
  Speaker 3: Doug Martin, you know.
• 35:08
  Speaker 2: Much bigger than Doug Martin.
• 35:09
  Speaker 3: But, you know.
• 35:10
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 35:11
  Speaker 4: You're trying to substantiate your plea to draft him?
• 35:15
  Speaker 3: Is that what this is all about? I mean, if
• 35:16
  Speaker 3: you just had him, you'd be undefeated probably.
• 35:18
  Speaker 4: If you just listened to Mike, you know. Probably be
• 35:21
  Speaker 4: in the same spot you're in now, but I'm just saying.
• 35:24
  Speaker 2: Emailer writes in, and if this is your email, put
• 35:27
  Speaker 2: a name to your email next time.
• 35:28
  Speaker 3: Oh, he's pointing his finger to the claim. You're getting
• 35:31
  Speaker 3: finger wagged.
• 35:32
  Speaker 2: I don't need to know where you live. It's nice
• 35:34
  Speaker 2: to know that, but put a name to it. Anyway,
• 35:37
  Speaker 2: he says, I know that Wednesday is the day we
• 35:39
  Speaker 2: start looking forward to the next game, but I just
• 35:41
  Speaker 2: have to comment on the Bills. Everyone feels that the
• 35:44
  Speaker 2: Bills are this juggernaut of a football team, but look
• 35:46
  Speaker 2: at the facts. They face two teams that are 0-4
• 35:49
  Speaker 2: and two teams that are 2-2. The combined record of
• 35:52
  Speaker 2: their opponents is 4-12. I hope the sports writers are
• 35:55
  Speaker 2: taking note and skewering the Bills and Josh Allen for
• 35:59
  Speaker 2: their easy schedule, just like they did with the Patriots
• 36:01
  Speaker 2: last year. I'm tired of the national media treating our
• 36:05
  Speaker 2: team like the hatreds. Hear, hear. Defend the wall.
• 36:11
  Speaker 4: Who do you think is better? Miami or Houston?
• 36:16
  Speaker 2: Houston.
• 36:17
  Speaker 4: Who do you think is better, the Chargers or Houston?
• 36:22
  Speaker 2: Houston.
• 36:22
  Speaker 4: So not all 0-4s are the same.
• 36:24
  Speaker 3: That's all I would say.
• 36:27
  Speaker 4: Houston's lost like four games by a combined 10 points.
• 36:30
  Speaker 5: They still got to get their defense in order. I
• 36:33
  Speaker 5: don't know what's going on on that side of the ball.
• 36:34
  Speaker 5: I mean, Will Anderson's playing out of his mind, but
• 36:37
  Speaker 5: their secondary is getting.
• 36:39
  Speaker 2: I don't know.
• 36:40
  Speaker 4: And you know what else is really concerning about what's
• 36:42
  Speaker 4: going on in Houston? And it's looking like a lost
• 36:45
  Speaker 4: season for them. Stroud's played well. The whole referendum on
• 36:50
  Speaker 4: the season was, we're going to let it play out,
• 36:52
  Speaker 4: we're going to pick up the fifth-year option, but we're
• 36:54
  Speaker 4: not going to extend him, and we're going to use
• 36:55
  Speaker 4: this as a litmus test for how well he plays.
• 37:01
  Speaker 4: They've lost twice while scoring 30 points.
• 37:04
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 37:05
  Speaker 3: Just a great example of.
• 37:06
  Speaker 7: I mean, two playoff teams last year, them and the Chargers, that,
• 37:09
  Speaker 7: you know, it's just not quite going right.
• 37:11
  Speaker 3: The Chargers I totally get. Like, again, they're wiped out
• 37:14
  Speaker 3: across the board.
• 37:16
  Speaker 4: You know, they're down to one offensive lineman again. Like,
• 37:18
  Speaker 4: it's amazing.
• 37:19
  Speaker 5: The Chargers annoy me more than the Bills. Like, the Bills,
• 37:22
  Speaker 5: I think, are a proven good football team year in
• 37:24
  Speaker 5: and year out. I'm so, like, the Chargers, come on.
• 37:26
  Speaker 3: I agree with you.
• 37:26
  Speaker 4: There was a lot of love for the Chargers based
• 37:28
  Speaker 4: on nothing.
• 37:29
  Speaker 5: They are a paper tiger every single year. And I'm like,
• 37:33
  Speaker 5: that's the team that bugs me.
• 37:34
  Speaker 4: I'm with Evan on that.
• 37:35
  Speaker 3: Like, yeah.
• 37:37
  Speaker 2: If I'm the owner there, I'm getting a little impatient.
• 37:40
  Speaker 4: But, like, Buffalo, like, for the last ten years, whatever,
• 37:43
  Speaker 4: let's call it the last eight years.
• 37:45
  Speaker 2: Yeah, he's been nine years.
• 37:46
  Speaker 4: They've been pretty good. You know, they're not great. They're
• 37:48
  Speaker 4: not the best team in football, but they've been pretty good.
• 37:50
  Speaker 4: The Chargers, like, one year they make the playoffs, they
• 37:53
  Speaker 4: squeak in, they lose the first game. The next year
• 37:55
  Speaker 4: they don't make the playoffs. Then another year, like, maybe
• 37:58
  Speaker 4: they get it. Like, they haven't really done it. Since when?
• 38:03
  Speaker 4: When was the last time the Chargers were really good?
• 38:05
  Speaker 3: I mean, there was good hype for them.
• 38:06
  Speaker 7: Coming into that 2017 playoff game here. I remember that
• 38:10
  Speaker 7: like they hadn't lost in forever. Like that was the
• 38:12
  Speaker 7: last time I remember, you know, at least they made
• 38:14
  Speaker 7: the playoffs some hype. But that's the last time I
• 38:15
  Speaker 7: remember them getting some hype, you know.
• 38:19
  Speaker 5: I just feel like they, I hate to be like.
• 38:23
  Speaker 5: the old school guy here, but like, it's the line
• 38:25
  Speaker 5: of scrimmage.
• 38:26
  Speaker 2: They get, they get beat.
• 38:27
  Speaker 5: And I know that some of it's injury related, but like,
• 38:29
  Speaker 5: but they get beat up every single year.
• 38:32
  Speaker 2: On the line of scrimmage. They got a great quarterback.
• 38:34
  Speaker 2: They got skill players.
• 38:36
  Speaker 5: They got flashy defensive scheme, but then every single year they,
• 38:39
  Speaker 5: they can't block and they can't.
• 38:41
  Speaker 2: Stop the run. And it's like, how many more times a,
• 38:43
  Speaker 2: Are we going to take the cheese on the Chargers?
• 38:45
  Speaker 2: In Chargers defense, they do have to play Denver at
• 38:50
  Speaker 2: home twice in Denver. And when they're in L.A., it's
• 38:53
  Speaker 2: not even really a home field advantage. In Kansas City, twice.
• 38:57
  Speaker 1: I know.
• 38:58
  Speaker 3: They're without a home. It's just.
• 39:00
  Speaker 7: You know, it's hilarious for how great they are at
• 39:03
  Speaker 7: the socials and all that stuff.
• 39:04
  Speaker 3: And then, but they're on the team. It's, I mean, disaster.
• 39:07
  Speaker 4: I just think it's funny because a lot of people
• 39:09
  Speaker 4: heading into the season thought that the bill schedule was
• 39:11
  Speaker 4: set up, that they could be like one in five
• 39:15
  Speaker 4: because they were playing all these tough teams, Houston, Chargers, Lions, Patriots, right?
• 39:21
  Speaker 4: Like they could be like one in five coming out
• 39:23
  Speaker 4: of the gate. They're 3-1, and now we're just ripping
• 39:25
  Speaker 4: them because they lost.
• 39:26
  Speaker 3: To the Patriots.
• 39:29
  Speaker 2: Buffalo is in a bad way right now.
• 39:32
  Speaker 5: They're looking at some of their local media and radio
• 39:36
  Speaker 5: because they really didn't play very well against the Chargers.
• 39:38
  Speaker 2: They turned the ball over five times and won the game.
• 39:40
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 39:41
  Speaker 5: And so like this was kind of brewing underneath the hood,
• 39:44
  Speaker 5: under the surface with them even after that after that game.
• 39:47
  Speaker 5: And then like the Patriots game, the home Patriots game
• 39:50
  Speaker 5: for the Bills is their regular season Super Bowl. That
• 39:53
  Speaker 5: is the biggest game on the calendar every single year.
• 39:56
  Speaker 2: And they lost.
• 39:56
  Speaker 4: Not according to them. They were like, ho, ho, hum.
• 39:59
  Speaker 3: This is another game.
• 40:00
  Speaker 12: Oh.
• 40:00
  Speaker 4: Poor, just an absolutely poor performance by Joe Brady. And
• 40:04
  Speaker 4: everything that they did going into that game, coming out
• 40:07
  Speaker 4: of that game.
• 40:07
  Speaker 3: And he deserves it.
• 40:08
  Speaker 2: He's getting killed.
• 40:10
  Speaker 4: I'm not trying to take a victory lap, but this
• 40:12
  Speaker 4: is what I was talking about before the game. I
• 40:15
  Speaker 4: knew Sean McDermott in that spot would have him ready.
• 40:18
  Speaker 4: I want to see what Joe Brady does.
• 40:20
  Speaker 3: Because that's the division rival. That's what you're watching.
• 40:22
  Speaker 4: I mean, all due respect to the Jets and Dolphins,
• 40:25
  Speaker 4: they're not division rivals right now. They're not in that position.
• 40:28
  Speaker 4: It's just the Patriots and the Bills. Those are the
• 40:30
  Speaker 4: only games in the AFC East that matter. And you
• 40:32
  Speaker 4: weren't ready to play one of them. Like, how can
• 40:35
  Speaker 4: you let that happen?
• 40:36
  Speaker 5: I've seen, like, 100 takes about the two things that
• 40:39
  Speaker 5: everybody in Buffalo, 12 carries for Cook, 17 routes for Kincaid. And, like,
• 40:44
  Speaker 5: how does that– those are your two best offensive weapons,
• 40:47
  Speaker 5: and you kind of took them both out of the
• 40:49
  Speaker 5: game on your own. Like, it wasn't even just, like– And.
• 40:53
  Speaker 4: You were supposed to be the offensive coordinator.
• 40:55
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 40:55
  Speaker 3: Right?
• 40:56
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 40:57
  Speaker 4: It's not like they hired Jesse Minter and he overlooked
• 41:00
  Speaker 4: the offense.
• 41:00
  Speaker 3: Yeah. Do you know what I mean? This is supposed
• 41:02
  Speaker 3: to be his bread and butter. The defense is getting
• 41:04
  Speaker 3: the leash right now because of the new coordinator.
• 41:07
  Speaker 2: That's why the emailer that emailed in, I think the
• 41:09
  Speaker 2: Bills are getting skewered.
• 41:11
  Speaker 5: At least here and in Buffalo, I don't really care
• 41:14
  Speaker 5: about the national media as much, but I think the Bills,
• 41:17
  Speaker 5: I think everybody's talking about how much of a coaching
• 41:20
  Speaker 5: mismatch Sunday was with the Vrabel staff versus the Brady
• 41:23
  Speaker 5: staff on both sides of the ball.
• 41:26
  Speaker 4: I've seen a lot of it even nationally with with that,
• 41:30
  Speaker 4: you know, like same old bills, like, you know, in
• 41:33
  Speaker 4: position to assert yourself as, as the top dog and
• 41:36
  Speaker 4: you can't do it. I've heard, I've heard a lot
• 41:38
  Speaker 4: of that and they deserve it because they collapsed in
• 41:41
  Speaker 4: the big spot again. And that was like regular season
• 41:44
  Speaker 4: wise for a game this early in the season. That
• 41:46
  Speaker 4: was a big regular season game for both teams. Now
• 41:49
  Speaker 4: we obviously know the Patriots were more desperate because they
• 41:52
  Speaker 4: had to have it, but The Bills should have been
• 41:55
  Speaker 4: desperate to win that game.
• 41:57
  Speaker 3: Did that look like a desperate team to you?
• 41:58
  Speaker 1: No.
• 41:59
  Speaker 2: Evan, when you mentioned Kincaid had 17 routes, how many
• 42:02
  Speaker 2: snaps did he have? 25, I think. Yeah, something around there.
• 42:06
  Speaker 2: So they're keeping him in? No, no. Well, some of
• 42:10
  Speaker 2: them are run blocking, you know, run snaps. Yeah.
• 42:12
  Speaker 5: But like the 17 routes number, I think is the,
• 42:15
  Speaker 5: the most important number. Like that's just not a very
• 42:17
  Speaker 5: high volume of, of pass routes. So like, you know,
• 42:20
  Speaker 5: just to get him involved in the game plan and
• 42:23
  Speaker 5: get him targets and things like that. He is, you know,
• 42:25
  Speaker 5: and Keon Coleman had a really good game and, and I,
• 42:28
  Speaker 5: I'm not a big Keon Coleman guy, but he had
• 42:30
  Speaker 5: a big game, but Kincaid is their best offensive player
• 42:33
  Speaker 5: in the passing game. Like he's their best receiver. And
• 42:36
  Speaker 5: you know, they, they, You can't like when the Patriots
• 42:39
  Speaker 5: played the Raiders on Sunday, like Bauer's going to get his,
• 42:42
  Speaker 5: like they're going to feed Bowers. Like you can try
• 42:44
  Speaker 5: to take them out. You can double team them. You
• 42:46
  Speaker 5: can bracket them. You can put four guys around.
• 42:48
  Speaker 2: Them in zone coverage.
• 42:49
  Speaker 5: And Kirk Cousins threw one last week and right in
• 42:52
  Speaker 5: between the zones, right to him on an in cut
• 42:54
  Speaker 5: for like a 15 yard game. Like he's that, that's
• 42:57
  Speaker 5: what you do when you have a player like that.
• 42:59
  Speaker 5: And I don't know if Kincaid's quite on that level,
• 43:01
  Speaker 5: but they, they just didn't really feature him.
• 43:05
  Speaker 2: Like they didn't try to. Sticking on the Bills, Tucker writes,
• 43:08
  Speaker 2: and Evan brought up the point on Catch-22 yesterday that
• 43:12
  Speaker 2: the Bills abandoned their running game and heavy tight end
• 43:14
  Speaker 2: sets possibly because Gonzalez was out. The reason why Joe
• 43:18
  Speaker 2: Brady is around is at least partially because Josh Allen
• 43:21
  Speaker 2: is a big fan of his and Joe seems to
• 43:23
  Speaker 2: take a more aggressive approach than Sean McDermott. I wonder
• 43:26
  Speaker 2: if they saw the Patriots game as an opportunity to
• 43:28
  Speaker 2: run up the score on a floundering divisional team rival
• 43:32
  Speaker 2: in their new stadium and and also a chance to
• 43:34
  Speaker 2: boost Josh's MVP stats by going wide receiver heavy and
• 43:38
  Speaker 2: trying to score a bunch of points rather than relying
• 43:40
  Speaker 2: on their usual offense. I don't know if anyone else
• 43:42
  Speaker 2: has a better explanation for why they didn't run or
• 43:45
  Speaker 2: use the tight ends as much. What do you think
• 43:48
  Speaker 2: of that conspiracy theory?
• 43:50
  Speaker 4: I'm not buying it. Joe Brady ran the offense last year. Yeah,
• 43:53
  Speaker 4: but he still had McDermott. No, but he can run
• 43:56
  Speaker 4: whatever he wants. He could run whatever he wanted last year,
• 43:59
  Speaker 4: and he could run whatever he wanted this year. It
• 44:01
  Speaker 4: was a bad coaching performance.
• 44:03
  Speaker 5: I would just say a couple weeks ago they played
• 44:05
  Speaker 5: the Lions, and I know we talked about the Lions'
• 44:08
  Speaker 5: defense struggling, but Josh Allen was unstoppable in that game.
• 44:11
  Speaker 5: playing off the run game with two tight ends on
• 44:14
  Speaker 5: the field. And so I don't think that like, Oh,
• 44:17
  Speaker 5: we're going to put more receivers.
• 44:18
  Speaker 2: On the field.
• 44:19
  Speaker 5: So Josh Allen can put up MVP numbers. If that's
• 44:21
  Speaker 5: what they thought, then that was not the way to go.
• 44:24
  Speaker 5: Cause he's very efficient.
• 44:25
  Speaker 4: It may have had something to do with Gonzalez. I
• 44:28
  Speaker 4: think that I can understand because.
• 44:29
  Speaker 5: He told the, the broadcast team had the quote in
• 44:33
  Speaker 5: the production meeting that, that the Gonzalez injury, they met
• 44:37
  Speaker 5: with him Saturday, Joe Brady. And he was like, well,
• 44:40
  Speaker 5: Gonzalez has been playing, and so now we had to
• 44:41
  Speaker 5: kind of change our whole game plan. It's like, he
• 44:43
  Speaker 5: didn't practice all week, dude. Like, how did you not
• 44:46
  Speaker 5: anticipate that, that he wasn't going to play?
• 44:47
  Speaker 3: That's what bad coaches do. Well, especially even without Gonzalez,
• 44:50
  Speaker 3: I think the Patriots secondary is.
• 44:52
  Speaker 7: Still pretty good with, you know, Bayard and Woodson coming back,
• 44:54
  Speaker 7: and Carlton Davis is okay, and Marcus Jones is playing
• 44:57
  Speaker 7: pretty well. I think the weakness of the Patriots front
• 44:59
  Speaker 7: was attack them up front, you know?
• 45:02
  Speaker 2: Get them into big personnel, get them into base, like...
• 45:05
  Speaker 2: I don't want to give anybody any.
• 45:07
  Speaker 4: But I would just say the first three weeks without McDermott,
• 45:11
  Speaker 4: they played the same way they played last year. And
• 45:13
  Speaker 4: then all of a sudden, Gonzalez is out and they
• 45:15
  Speaker 4: decided to do it a different way. I don't think
• 45:17
  Speaker 4: it has anything to do with trying to get awards.
• 45:19
  Speaker 4: I don't think it has anything to do with trying
• 45:21
  Speaker 4: to beat up on the Patriots. They got outcoached. Just
• 45:26
  Speaker 4: like Seattle outcoached the Patriots in week one.
• 45:30
  Speaker 3: It happens.
• 45:31
  Speaker 4: Sometimes these coaches... You know, they think things are going
• 45:34
  Speaker 4: to go a certain way, and then they don't. I
• 45:36
  Speaker 4: just feel like he messed up. Their, like, heavy style
• 45:41
  Speaker 4: of offense. Like, I was calling them bully ball bills
• 45:43
  Speaker 4: last week. Like, that style of offense is so good
• 45:46
  Speaker 4: that I don't know if any defense can really stop it.
• 45:50
  Speaker 2: So like, why would you should.
• 45:52
  Speaker 5: Be dictating the terms to the defense? Not, oh, they
• 45:55
  Speaker 5: don't have their number one corners. And now we're going
• 45:57
  Speaker 5: to go completely out of like our sort of, you know,
• 46:00
  Speaker 5: style of play to attack that, you know, and exploit
• 46:03
  Speaker 5: that weakness. Like if you put, if the bills play
• 46:06
  Speaker 5: the way that the bills can play with their, their
• 46:09
  Speaker 5: quarterback under center and James cook running the ball and
• 46:11
  Speaker 5: the multiple tight ends, like I think that that's going
• 46:13
  Speaker 5: to be 30 points a game for against pretty much anybody.
• 46:17
  Speaker 10: Yeah.
• 46:17
  Speaker 2: So why wouldn't you just do that?
• 46:19
  Speaker 4: They're so talented that even doing it the opposite way,
• 46:24
  Speaker 4: they scored 26 points and missed an extra point. So
• 46:28
  Speaker 4: even when they don't have a good plan and didn't
• 46:31
  Speaker 4: play very well, that's how good they still are.
• 46:35
  Speaker 2: Lucas writes in. He's from Bristol. Two things, he says. Fred,
• 46:39
  Speaker 2: you haven't mentioned Universo once in your pick section this season. Paul,
• 46:43
  Speaker 2: where's the accountability?
• 46:45
  Speaker 3: That's a good point. It's a good job.
• 46:47
  Speaker 4: And it's good to call me out there, too, because
• 46:50
  Speaker 4: I should have been on that.
• 46:51
  Speaker 2: Universo. Second, I had a friend who was a Bills
• 46:54
  Speaker 2: friend of mine tell me, congrats on the Super Bowl.
• 46:56
  Speaker 2: I think it's.
• 46:58
  Speaker 5: So weird coming from Buffalo. The Patriots have won six
• 47:02
  Speaker 5: Super Bowls. They have won zero. The Patriots were just
• 47:05
  Speaker 5: in the Super Bowl last year. And the Bills have
• 47:08
  Speaker 5: never made the Super Bowl with Josh Allen, but that's
• 47:10
  Speaker 5: our Super Bowl.
• 47:11
  Speaker 6: Right.
• 47:11
  Speaker 2: Like, I don't know.
• 47:13
  Speaker 3: The logic is not.
• 47:14
  Speaker 2: Lucas, tell your friend, we know Super Bowls.
• 47:16
  Speaker 8: Yeah.
• 47:17
  Speaker 7: I mean, winning division games on the road every year
• 47:20
  Speaker 7: is a huge game. I mean, those are, to me,
• 47:23
  Speaker 7: where you really plant your flag as being a playoff team.
• 47:27
  Speaker 7: I caught a thing with two Buffalo radio guys who
• 47:30
  Speaker 7: were in a bad way, and they just seemed like,
• 47:33
  Speaker 7: all three of these games have been close. And all
• 47:36
  Speaker 7: three of these games, it doesn't seem like the Patriots
• 47:38
  Speaker 7: are afraid of Josh Allen. They seem taken back by it.
• 47:42
  Speaker 7: They had had this comfortable stretch where it was like
• 47:45
  Speaker 7: no punts and kind of an easy win.
• 47:47
  Speaker 3: For a little bit there. But I think they have
• 47:49
  Speaker 3: to respect this team's going to give them a tough
• 47:51
  Speaker 3: time now. All right.
• 47:53
  Speaker 2: 855-PATS-500 is the hotline. Let's open up the phones, see
• 47:59
  Speaker 2: who's there. We'll start with... Sabah in North Carolina. And Sabah,
• 48:05
  Speaker 2: people are accusing you of actually being a Patriots fan.
• 48:09
  Speaker 12: Well, first of all, it is Sabah, not Shah. Where
• 48:12
  Speaker 12: did you get that from, Fred?
• 48:14
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 48:16
  Speaker 12: I call you guys the, what is it, the Stiff Brothers.
• 48:19
  Speaker 12: We got Fred, Evan, Paul, and Mike, though.
• 48:23
  Speaker 4: Anyhow, it is Sabah.
• 48:24
  Speaker 12: Okay, let me tell you the history. Grew up five
• 48:26
  Speaker 12: years old, rocked Mount North Carolina, big Redskins fan. Okay,
• 48:29
  Speaker 12: that ain't but three hours away. And just always loved them,
• 48:33
  Speaker 12: you know. And then, of course, you know, I went
• 48:36
  Speaker 12: up to Massachusetts to do my training. And I spent
• 48:37
  Speaker 12: about eight years there in Worcester at UMass and became
• 48:41
  Speaker 12: a Red Sox fan.
• 48:42
  Speaker 2: Beautiful.
• 48:42
  Speaker 12: And kind of followed the Patriots, kind of perfectly. My
• 48:45
  Speaker 12: husband's a big Patriot fan. And still, you know, I
• 48:48
  Speaker 12: was always a Redskins fan.
• 48:49
  Speaker 2: I appreciate it. Oh, so your husband is a Patriots fan.
• 48:51
  Speaker 2: That's right. Yeah. Okay. All right.
• 48:53
  Speaker 12: Westford, Massachusetts.
• 48:55
  Speaker 2: All right.
• 48:56
  Speaker 12: Um and um so anyhow that's how it started and
• 48:59
  Speaker 12: then now i'm kind of you know with drake may
• 49:01
  Speaker 12: there and then with my team effectively i'm sort of
• 49:04
  Speaker 12: like a sports team widow like my redskins kind of
• 49:08
  Speaker 12: died and i can't say the c word and so
• 49:13
  Speaker 12: um my quarterback you know uh j uh jd glass
• 49:16
  Speaker 12: i call him um you know he only can play
• 49:19
  Speaker 12: if it's on the moon with his no gravity.
• 49:21
  Speaker 2: Do you have a crack on your windshield? Call J.D. Glass. Yeah,
• 49:26
  Speaker 2: I mean, he just– I don't know.
• 49:27
  Speaker 12: Anyway, he can't even finish the game. So I'm just
• 49:30
  Speaker 12: into the Patriots right now, and I'm just upset with
• 49:32
  Speaker 12: my team that I just don't really appreciate anymore. But
• 49:36
  Speaker 12: I do have some suggestions, if I may, about the
• 49:39
  Speaker 12: upcoming game. First of all, beware that Tom Brady is
• 49:44
  Speaker 12: on the other side. He knows Daniels, Josh Daniels, McDaniels,
• 49:47
  Speaker 12: whatever offense, like the back of his hands. So could
• 49:51
  Speaker 12: this be the instigator to possibly have your OC do
• 49:55
  Speaker 12: something different for a change and mix things up? That
• 49:58
  Speaker 12: would be nice. Move the pocket, maybe do a little up-tempo,
• 50:02
  Speaker 12: just something a little different. Secondly, on the Kirk Cousins,
• 50:07
  Speaker 12: I know Kirk Cousins very well, as he was my
• 50:09
  Speaker 12: Redskin for many years. He is basically, you know, military-style
• 50:14
  Speaker 12: kind of quarterback.
• 50:15
  Speaker 8: He follows the rules.
• 50:17
  Speaker 12: He doesn't go out of structure. He reads the right
• 50:20
  Speaker 12: reads and makes the right throws. However, you can bait
• 50:24
  Speaker 12: him into, like, showing him a look, and so he'll
• 50:27
  Speaker 12: do the hot read and jump it if you just
• 50:30
  Speaker 12: disrupt the receiver. He's kind of like a poor man's
• 50:32
  Speaker 12: Kurt Warner. He throws with anticipation. Timing is a big deal.
• 50:36
  Speaker 12: And if you knock the receivers off their spot, you
• 50:39
  Speaker 12: can get some thick sixes on him.
• 50:40
  Speaker 2: Zach Corr, are you listening? You got the game plan
• 50:44
  Speaker 2: from Sabah? She's spot on. Oh, okay. You got the
• 50:48
  Speaker 2: stamp of approval from Evan.
• 50:50
  Speaker 12: Oh, thank you, Evan.
• 50:51
  Speaker 2: Appreciate it.
• 50:52
  Speaker 6: Now, the last thing.
• 50:53
  Speaker 2: This is crazy.
• 50:54
  Speaker 13: This is crazy.
• 50:54
  Speaker 2: Out of the box.
• 50:55
  Speaker 12: We have a quarterback issue. Mariota is hurt. I think
• 50:59
  Speaker 12: he's got his MCL. You know, J.D. Glass is going
• 51:02
  Speaker 12: to play against the Giants. He'll probably last a quarter. Now,
• 51:04
  Speaker 12: we got Athens Kakalakidas. We call him AK-16, the Greek,
• 51:07
  Speaker 12: you know, rifle. He's a rookie, seventh-round pick.
• 51:10
  Speaker 2: Actually did quite well.
• 51:11
  Speaker 12: They are now, I think they bought in Plummer for some,
• 51:15
  Speaker 12: you know, to see. They're trying to find a quarterback, okay?
• 51:19
  Speaker 12: I don't know who your third-string quarterback is. But can
• 51:22
  Speaker 12: y'all give the Redskins.
• 51:24
  Speaker 2: The third-team quarterback, and let us give.
• 51:26
  Speaker 12: You guys Luke McCaffrey. He is buried on the depth
• 51:31
  Speaker 12: chart for Robert Stevens because we have Terry McClure.
• 51:33
  Speaker 13: We got Diggs.
• 51:34
  Speaker 12: We got Williams, who's better than your Williams. We got Burks.
• 51:38
  Speaker 12: We got Lane. We got so many.
• 51:40
  Speaker 2: So you want Barron Morton for Luke McCaffrey? I mean, yes.
• 51:44
  Speaker 2: No offense to Barron Morton. Sounds good. Luke McCaffrey. Sounds good.
• 51:48
  Speaker 2: So we'll give your game plan to Zach Korn. We'll
• 51:50
  Speaker 2: give your personnel move to Elliott Wolfe, and we'll get
• 51:53
  Speaker 2: that done. Thanks, Sabah.
• 51:55
  Speaker 5: I thought Kirk Cousins' scouting report was pretty accurate, though.
• 51:59
  Speaker 2: I'll give her credit for that. That was good. Okay. Yeah.
• 52:03
  Speaker 2: Amir writes in, I'll be flying 13 hours to watch
• 52:07
  Speaker 2: my very first live Patriots game. My wife is eight
• 52:10
  Speaker 2: months pregnant with our second child and just passed her
• 52:14
  Speaker 2: last med school final exam. So she told me it's
• 52:17
  Speaker 2: now or never. So this is it for him. Unlike
• 52:20
  Speaker 2: other listeners, I don't need restaurant recommendations. I know how
• 52:24
  Speaker 2: to use the Internet. Oh, OK. All I ask is this.
• 52:29
  Speaker 2: Last season, Fred guaranteed a victory over the Panthers. I
• 52:32
  Speaker 2: really want to see a Patriots victory, and I asked
• 52:34
  Speaker 2: for Fred to provide his never-fail victory guarantee or a T-shirt. Well,
• 52:41
  Speaker 2: we'll do our picks tomorrow, so I'll hold it for that.
• 52:44
  Speaker 2: But listen tomorrow, and you'll see what I have to
• 52:46
  Speaker 2: say about the Raiders game.
• 52:48
  Speaker 3: I'm assuming his wife isn't coming with him at eight
• 52:51
  Speaker 3: months pregnant on a 13-hour flight.
• 52:52
  Speaker 2: No, she's holding it back, but she's telling him, if
• 52:53
  Speaker 2: you're going to leave, this is it.
• 52:55
  Speaker 3: This is pretty risky, right? That's kind of risky. I
• 52:57
  Speaker 3: don't know.
• 52:58
  Speaker 2: Eight months? Well, you know.
• 52:59
  Speaker 1: 13 hours.
• 53:00
  Speaker 3: I mean, where is he coming? Did it say where
• 53:01
  Speaker 3: he's coming from? Oh, I just deleted it. It's got
• 53:03
  Speaker 3: to be a foreign land, I would assume.
• 53:05
  Speaker 5: I'm not an expert when it comes to that side
• 53:07
  Speaker 5: of things, but eight months is pretty close to nine.
• 53:10
  Speaker 3: It's pretty close.
• 53:11
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 53:11
  Speaker 3: I don't know if I'd be flying 13 hours away. Math.
• 53:16
  Speaker 2: Rick writes in from Riverside, Rhode Island. I want to
• 53:20
  Speaker 2: give a shout-out to some players who have stood out.
• 53:22
  Speaker 2: So these are Rick's flowers. Carlton Davis has been making
• 53:26
  Speaker 2: some great tone-setting plays.
• 53:28
  Speaker 3: I would agree.
• 53:28
  Speaker 2: Gabe Ackes, bull-rushing Dawkins, was very impressive. He's looked like
• 53:32
  Speaker 2: a player who can become a very good to elite rusher. Raritan.
• 53:37
  Speaker 3: I would agree with that.
• 53:38
  Speaker 13: Yeah.
• 53:39
  Speaker 2: Raritan has been making the most of his opportunities and
• 53:41
  Speaker 2: with more experience can become a go-to receiver for May.
• 53:45
  Speaker 2: And finally, May for not folding after committing two more turnovers.
• 53:50
  Speaker 2: Interception was on Dobbs, but May takes the hit stat-wise.
• 53:53
  Speaker 2: He put those behind him, and he led the team
• 53:55
  Speaker 2: to victory. So my prediction is Patriots 31, Raiders 14.
• 54:00
  Speaker 10: Wow.
• 54:00
  Speaker 2: That would be a convincing win. All right.
• 54:03
  Speaker 3: I'd take that.
• 54:04
  Speaker 2: We put the interception on both of them. Okay.
• 54:07
  Speaker 3: All right.
• 54:07
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  Speaker 5: Take us through that 21 yard touchdown, 23 yard touchdown reception.
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  Speaker 1: What was going through your mind?
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  Speaker 3: Did you think you had it?
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  Speaker 2: And what was it like when you realized you did
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  Speaker 2: have it?
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  Speaker 9: Shoot, when I'm out there and you know the ball's
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  Speaker 9: in the air, I kind of black out. I'm kind
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  Speaker 9: it in the air. Drake gave me an opportunity and
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  Speaker 9: Now that I've seen it a little bit and, you know...
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  Speaker 9: I can't, I'm just so happy, you know, to have
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  Speaker 14: Drake talked to you about you being in the building
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  Speaker 1: Coach said Drake's the last one to leave. It was
• 57:02
  Speaker 1: great seeing you in there. How much later will you stay.
• 57:04
  Speaker 2: In the building?
• 57:07
  Speaker 9: Oh, you know, I'll probably be there at all hours,
• 57:10
  Speaker 9: anytime I can, with Drake, trying to learn from him.
• 57:12
  Speaker 9: You know, he's a great quarterback, so anytime that, you know,
• 57:15
  Speaker 9: we're watching film together, it's always something that he's pointing
• 57:17
  Speaker 9: out that I, that I wouldn't have noticed, uh, from
• 57:19
  Speaker 9: the quarterback side. So it's awesome.
• 57:21
  Speaker 1: Go back to that Wednesday game on Seattle, just this
• 57:23
  Speaker 1: past month for you. A lot of family members are
• 57:25
  Speaker 1: starting to talk to me. You're not up for that game.
• 57:27
  Speaker 1: This game you're up for pretty much make the game
• 57:29
  Speaker 1: when you catch right there. What's this month mean to you?
• 57:32
  Speaker 10: Yeah.
• 57:33
  Speaker 9: I mean, it means a lot, but I think, you know,
• 57:36
  Speaker 9: I prepare as a starter every week and, you know,
• 57:38
  Speaker 9: regardless how I'm going to be up or down, uh,
• 57:40
  Speaker 9: you know, I can't control that. All I can control is,
• 57:42
  Speaker 9: you know, the work I put in, uh, every day
• 57:44
  Speaker 9: and every week and, you know, continues to try to
• 57:46
  Speaker 9: do the same thing no matter what's going on.
• 57:49
  Speaker 11: It looks like you and Mike Gray will greet each
• 57:52
  Speaker 11: other just by yelling.
• 57:53
  Speaker 1: How do you describe the emotions in that moment?
• 57:57
  Speaker 10: Super high.
• 57:58
  Speaker 9: You know, he's a great coach.
• 58:00
  Speaker 10: I love him.
• 58:01
  Speaker 9: You know, I love the opportunity I get to play
• 58:02
  Speaker 9: for him. And, you know, he does such a great
• 58:04
  Speaker 9: job of, you know, leading us. And, you know, like
• 58:07
  Speaker 9: I said, just one of the best leaders I've been around, so.
• 58:11
  Speaker 1: And it was a touchdown pass. You had another catch
• 58:13
  Speaker 1: on that drive.
• 58:14
  Speaker 8: Where you went up high in the first half.
• 58:16
  Speaker 1: Another great catch. What were you thinking on that play?
• 58:20
  Speaker 9: Just try to make a play. Again, you know, Drake
• 58:22
  Speaker 9: just gave me an opportunity. And, you know, any time
• 58:25
  Speaker 9: the ball's in the air, try to come down with
• 58:26
  Speaker 9: it and, you know, try to spark the momentum and,
• 58:28
  Speaker 9: you know, continue to go win the game at that point.
• 58:33
  Speaker 10: Sorry, go ahead.
• 58:34
  Speaker 8: Going back to the question about the times you've.
• 58:36
  Speaker 2: Been inactive, you run all those routes in stadiums, home,
• 58:40
  Speaker 2: on the road, catching ball.
• 58:41
  Speaker 7: After ball in those moments when you're not going to play.
• 58:44
  Speaker 10: How many of those plays are you thinking about?
• 58:48
  Speaker 9: Shoot, all the time. You know, I think obviously we
• 58:51
  Speaker 9: all want to be active. We all want to play.
• 58:53
  Speaker 9: You know, that's a a lifelong dream and goal is
• 58:55
  Speaker 9: to play in the NFL. And, you know, when you
• 58:58
  Speaker 9: get to that moment and sometimes you don't get to play,
• 58:59
  Speaker 9: it sucks. But you just got to, you know, continue
• 59:02
  Speaker 9: to stay patient and realize just like don't live in
• 59:06
  Speaker 9: tomorrow or yesterday and just focus on how blessed I
• 59:09
  Speaker 9: am just to be here regardless, you know. And I
• 59:11
  Speaker 9: don't think when I was a little kid, like, obviously
• 59:15
  Speaker 9: it was my dream, but, you know, not a lot
• 59:17
  Speaker 9: of people probably thought I would be here. Now I'm here,
• 59:19
  Speaker 9: you know, I got so much, you know, faith in
• 59:22
  Speaker 9: myself and in God for giving me this opportunity just
• 59:24
  Speaker 9: trying to take advantage of it.
• 59:25
  Speaker 6: Dr.
• 59:25
  Speaker 1: Drake said it.
• 59:26
  Speaker 4: During the week in practice, some of you guys were
• 59:28
  Speaker 4: on the field running those plays, running those routes.
• 59:31
  Speaker 1: Were you on the field for those two plays in
• 59:33
  Speaker 1: practice this week?
• 59:35
  Speaker 9: On one of them I was. On the other one
• 59:37
  Speaker 9: I wasn't. We always run them after practice. We get
• 59:40
  Speaker 9: some reps. We've done one of them before. He just
• 59:45
  Speaker 9: gave me that opportunity.
• 59:47
  Speaker 1: Which one were you on the field for and which
• 59:49
  Speaker 1: were you not?
• 59:49
  Speaker 9: We were on the end, the first one. I've ran
• 59:52
  Speaker 9: that a couple times with them. Then Previous weeks I've
• 59:54
  Speaker 9: ran the last catch before, but not this week, but,
• 59:58
  Speaker 9: you know, sometimes it's there.
• 59:59
  Speaker 1: I think a pretty.
• 59:59
  Speaker 16: Special moment in the locker room for you with Coach
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 16: handing out the game balls.
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 9: Can you describe what that meant to you? I mean,
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 9: so cool, so special. You know, I got a great
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 9: team in there. I got great coaches. You know, they're
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 9: there early allowing me to learn. They're there late, you know,
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 9: waiting for me to ask them questions and, you know,
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 9: Everyone on this team just worked so hard. And so,
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 9: you know, we just got to continue to do that
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 9: and continue to, you know, build our identity and stack wins.
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 1: Who did you have here today?
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 9: Mom, dad, girlfriend.
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 10: So got a good group.
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 9: They all came in. Girlfriend drove. So she's a champ
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 9: for that. And, you know, I'm super excited to go.
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 9: Go see him.
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 3: Thank you, guys.
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 10: Appreciate it.
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 2: Let's just start with kind of. the win.
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 1: What did that mean to you guys to be able.
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 7: To drop the field with four and a half to
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 7: go and then Craig with the interception and then Henry
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 7: with the catch to kind.
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 6: Of cement it?
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 2: What did that win do for you guys to.
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 3: Get you to 2-2?
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 10: It was amazing. Piggybacking off of what you were saying,
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 10: it's a great team win.
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 11: Just like myself and the others, we look forward to
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 11: just moving on.
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 10: Obviously celebrating the win is.
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 11: For the moment or whatnot, but I look forward to
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 11: just Putting my best foot forward, moving on to the
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 11: next point.
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 16: Take us back to the second touchdown catch that you
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 16: made and how you were.
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 10: Able to pull that out. Great ball by Drake. I
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 10: was able to adjust to it, obviously.
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 11: And, you know, it just comes down to the details, techniques,
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 11: and fundamentals just throughout the course of the week.
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 16: How rewarding was this production for you today, knowing that
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 16: you had talked.
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 1: This week about staying true to your process?
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 10: Say that again?
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 16: How rewarding was the production for you today, knowing that
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 16: you had talked this week about staying true to your process?
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 10: Oh, I mean, yeah.
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 11: I mean, it feels good, but, you know, I like
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 11: to stay true to my humility and just move on
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 11: and put my best foot forward.
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 7: What's your relationship like as far as just building on
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 7: a daily basis with Drake? And how much do you think,
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 7: how high is the ceiling for you two as far
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 7: as what you.
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 1: Can do out there with the football group?
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 10: Um, it's growing, you know, it's growing, it's maturing.
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 11: And, um, you know, he knows better than I do
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 11: that the process is more important than anything. And we
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 11: just look forward to as a team, just putting our
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 11: best foot forward.
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 3: Uh, amazing.
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 11: Um, I've, I've been around him since I've got here.
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 11: He's one of the hardest working kids I've ever been around. And, um,
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 11: I'm excited to go to war with him. Uh, that
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 11: was a snack, snack of the year. Snagged the year, man.
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 10: Like I said, I watched the kid work all week.
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 11: You know, I'm just blessed to be around someone like him.
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 16: How would you describe what took place in there when
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 16: everyone got back into the locker room?
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 1: It was exciting.
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 10: It was a lot of emotion. It was excitement. It was,
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 10: you know, joy, passion, whatever you can name.
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 11: But, you know, I speak for obviously the team, myself,
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 11: Whatever the case may be, I just look forward to moving.
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 10: On and putting my best foot forward.
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 1: Anyone else?
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 10: Obviously, really good defense.
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 11: It just came down, obviously, to our process as an offense,
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 11: as a team, and just piggybacking off of what i
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 11: said before just continuously putting our best before that's all
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 11: all good.
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 3: Peace and now great moments in.
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 4: History all right so we're gonna go negative concerns this
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 4: is you know basically my wheelhouse okay so i would
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 4: worry that how they played offensively is how they want.
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 3: To play Right.
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 2: But you're worried about it.
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 4: How they played offensively in the game is not an aberration.
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 4: That's how they want to play. That means you shouldn't
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 4: be worried about it. No, that's something that I don't
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 4: think a lot of people are worried about.
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 2: I'm talking about you, but you are worried about it.
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 4: So the question was, I think he just put me in.
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 4: I felt like we were doing pics all of a sudden.
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 4: He put me in the grinder. The question was, what
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 4: is something that you're worried about that other people aren't?
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 2: No, that you shouldn't be.
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 3: No, he asked for both. Helen asked for both.
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 2: No, I know. But it wasn't, what are you worried
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 2: about that other people? It's like, what are you worried
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 2: about that you shouldn't be worried about?
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 4: Okay, well, this is something that other people aren't worried
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 4: about that I am.
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 2: Why are you bringing other people? I want to know
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 2: your opinion.
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 3: I just told you.
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 4: How they play offense is something that I would be
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 4: worried about that fans aren't. They think that Sunday was great, right?
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 4: That was the second part of that one's question.
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 2: I don't know if that's the spirit of the question.
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 2: That's another great moment from Patriots Unfiltered. All right, back
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 2: here in Patriots Unfiltered. It's a big game for a
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 2: lot of reasons. It's a throwback game, right? That's one thing.
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 2: So people... always interested in the uniforms that they're going
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 2: to wear. I know, you know, deuces, deuces, ilk. Uh,
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 2: but also it's a celebration of the 2001 team. It's
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 2: the 25th anniversary of that Superbowl. So a lot of
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 2: alumni will be in attendance for that game. And then
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 2: there'll be a special halftime ceremony for Adam Vinatieri. You'll
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 2: be getting his soup hit, not Superbowl, his hall of
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 2: fame ring at halftime here. So, um, and if you're
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 2: not at the game, You can watch that halftime ceremony
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 2: live on Patriots.com and the Patriots app. So big game.
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 3: Big week. A lot going on.
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 2: Stacked roster, right, of alumni that are coming back from
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 2: the game. Yeah, there's over like 20 guys coming back.
• 1:06:01
  Speaker 1: I think.
• 1:06:01
  Speaker 2: You know, Troy will be here.
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 4: Yeah, Troy, I think, is going to have to leave
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 4: us a little early to get out there.
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 2: He's going to have to leave the pregame show a
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 2: little early. I think we can let that happen. I
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 2: will allow.
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 7: We've got to get his picks first, but you know
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 7: what we noticed this week?
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 3: Paul noticed it. It was like all of a sudden
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 3: the picks results are starting to compile. And you're starting
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 3: to see an NFL player get a little competitive. All
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 3: he's talking about is like, I got to get back in.
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 4: Because there were a couple. We do some over-unders, right?
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 4: And we do like individual players. And it'd be like
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 4: Trevion Henderson over-under 41 and a half rushing yards. Well,
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 4: he had like 45 and then he lost five yards.
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 2: So Troy complained.
• 1:06:39
  Speaker 4: So he's like oh he's like all stressed out and
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 4: i was like don't worry troy we're gonna run the
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 4: clock out he's gonna get sure enough two yard run
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 4: he gets 42 and the over under was 41 and
• 1:06:48
  Speaker 4: a half mac hollins you know he leaves the game
• 1:06:51
  Speaker 4: but he just got it before he left the game
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 4: and he is he's getting competitive about it right we
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 4: all stink by the way at the over unders yeah
• 1:06:59
  Speaker 4: we do but it's it is funny that he's actually
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 4: taking this seriously.
• 1:07:03
  Speaker 5: I wonder how like I wonder what Vrabel's going to
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 5: do because he's got a game to coach, but he also,
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 5: I'm sure, wants to be as part of it if
• 1:07:12
  Speaker 5: he can.
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 3: He's got to give the halftime speech, though. He's got
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 3: to get in there, get the guys fired up.
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 2: So big game, halftime, live on Patriots.com and the Patriots app.
• 1:07:22
  Speaker 2: It'll be good to see Adam here, and all the
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 2: alumni will be on the field as well because they
• 1:07:28
  Speaker 2: were all his teammates in 2001.
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 10: Yeah.
• 1:07:32
  Speaker 3: One more bit of news, Fred.
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 7: Officially, Drake May is your AFC Offensive Player of the Week.
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 3: Whoa, whoa, whoa. Hold on.
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 10: Really?
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 3: It's officially announced.
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 2: 12 o'clock. Wow, that's big news. And I'm kidding, right?
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 2: Player of the Week. Was it FedEx or what is it? No,
• 1:07:47
  Speaker 2: this is the official NFL Player of the Week. I
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 2: thought it was sponsored. It says no sponsor.
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 3: No sponsor. This is legit.
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 7: Do you guys remember, has he won it before? Did
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 7: he win it last year at all? Anybody want to
• 1:07:58
  Speaker 7: take a stab at it?
• 1:07:59
  Speaker 2: I think he did, right?
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 4: You're asking the wrong person.
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 2: I'm pretty sure he did. He did.
• 1:08:03
  Speaker 3: I couldn't tell you. You want to take a guess?
• 1:08:05
  Speaker 2: Which week?
• 1:08:06
  Speaker 3: It was a very exciting game. Baltimore? Buffalo.
• 1:08:10
  Speaker 2: Week four. No, no, no.
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 3: Very exciting. Great atmosphere. Big hits.
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 2: The Giants game? That wasn't even his best game.
• 1:08:18
  Speaker 3: That was exciting? That was a blowout.
• 1:08:21
  Speaker 2: No, it wasn't exciting. I agree with you. Some of
• 1:08:24
  Speaker 2: us like when the Patriots blow out another team. No,
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 2: but I mean like.
• 1:08:27
  Speaker 4: I mean, the Patriots winning in Buffalo and in Baltimore.
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 2: That's stressful.
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 3: That wasn't exciting. Those were exciting games. He was definitely.
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 2: Better in those two games than he was.
• 1:08:36
  Speaker 5: Not that he was bad in the Giants game, but
• 1:08:38
  Speaker 5: it was the stakes and the opponent.
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 2: Anyway, you know, I don't. Last week, Boomer Esiason was
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 2: saying they should bench him. I think somebody else nationally
• 1:08:53
  Speaker 2: said it, too. And now this week he's player of
• 1:08:55
  Speaker 2: the week.
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 3: How did I miss that?
• 1:08:58
  Speaker 2: I keep receipts. You know that.
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 4: Boomer Esiason said that they should bench him?
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 3: Boomer.
• 1:09:03
  Speaker 2: You don't listen to the Greg Hill show.
• 1:09:04
  Speaker 3: That is fact.
• 1:09:06
  Speaker 2: It was on the Greg Hill show. That is fact,
• 1:09:07
  Speaker 2: not opinion. Who was the other ex-player?
• 1:09:09
  Speaker 1: Oh, no.
• 1:09:10
  Speaker 2: It was Terry Bradshaw that said they should put him
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 2: on the bench. Boomer Esiason said it, too. Both of
• 1:09:15
  Speaker 2: them said it. Also, don't listen to Fox. Yeah. Both
• 1:09:17
  Speaker 2: of those... Former quarterbacks said that, which was kind of weird.
• 1:09:23
  Speaker 4: So without– like I didn't know this at all, but
• 1:09:26
  Speaker 4: is there any chance that what Boomer was talking about
• 1:09:28
  Speaker 4: is just like sort of give him a little bit
• 1:09:30
  Speaker 4: of a mental break?
• 1:09:30
  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah.
• 1:09:31
  Speaker 3: No, he's not saying that he should lose his job.
• 1:09:33
  Speaker 2: Okay. All right. Not saying he should lose his job.
• 1:09:36
  Speaker 3: Still disagree, but– Yeah.
• 1:09:37
  Speaker 2: Yeah. No, he wasn't saying he should lose his job,
• 1:09:40
  Speaker 2: but he just.
• 1:09:41
  Speaker 4: We've had guys on this show suggest that.
• 1:09:44
  Speaker 3: We had caller.
• 1:09:45
  Speaker 6: Oh, yeah.
• 1:09:46
  Speaker 2: That's what I'm saying.
• 1:09:48
  Speaker 3: What a difference a week makes. Not caller.
• 1:09:49
  Speaker 2: We went from that. We had caller. Yeah, we went
• 1:09:52
  Speaker 2: from that to now he's player of the week. So, unbelievable.
• 1:09:55
  Speaker 3: He's on the line now. Now Mark Andrews is retiring.
• 1:09:58
  Speaker 3: What's going on?
• 1:09:59
  Speaker 2: No, no.
• 1:09:59
  Speaker 3: It's a press conference.
• 1:10:02
  Speaker 5: We posted a video of the Chisholm catch because we
• 1:10:06
  Speaker 5: can't post enough of videos, which is great. And it's
• 1:10:09
  Speaker 5: like the cinematic one.
• 1:10:10
  Speaker 10: Yeah.
• 1:10:12
  Speaker 5: I know that the catch was unbelievable, but the throw
• 1:10:15
  Speaker 5: was also perfect. That was right up there, I think,
• 1:10:18
  Speaker 5: with a lot of the ones he had last year.
• 1:10:20
  Speaker 4: I thought the two touchdown throws, the second one to
• 1:10:23
  Speaker 4: Dobbs and the one to Chisholm, were as perfectly thrown
• 1:10:26
  Speaker 4: as you can get.
• 1:10:28
  Speaker 2: You know how I've talked in the past about players
• 1:10:30
  Speaker 2: ought to do my wrestling exercises for their neck so
• 1:10:34
  Speaker 2: when they fall they don't... Well, shout out to Craig Woodson.
• 1:10:39
  Speaker 2: Because if you look at the slow motion of when
• 1:10:41
  Speaker 2: he had his interception, he falls flat on his back.
• 1:10:45
  Speaker 2: His head never makes contact with the ground. So Craig
• 1:10:49
  Speaker 2: Woodson has definitely been doing my neck bridge exercise. Strong neck.
• 1:10:54
  Speaker 3: Gay Back has been doing it too with his wrestling background.
• 1:10:57
  Speaker 7: I'm sure he could wax poetic on that.
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 2: But my boy Craig Woodson, good for you. Held your
• 1:11:04
  Speaker 2: head up after that catch. Good play.
• 1:11:06
  Speaker 3: No concussion. Feeling good.
• 1:11:08
  Speaker 2: All right. Let's get back to the phones, and it
• 1:11:11
  Speaker 2: wouldn't be a weekday without a call from Christian from L.A.
• 1:11:16
  Speaker 2: What's up, Christian?
• 1:11:18
  Speaker 8: Yeah, hey, you guys.
• 1:11:19
  Speaker 6: Can you guys hear me?
• 1:11:20
  Speaker 8: I have my ear pods up.
• 1:11:22
  Speaker 2: You're kind of muffled. You're a little bit muffled, but
• 1:11:24
  Speaker 2: you never have a good connection anyway.
• 1:11:26
  Speaker 8: No, I'm not connected.
• 1:11:28
  Speaker 2: That's why.
• 1:11:29
  Speaker 1: That's why.
• 1:11:30
  Speaker 8: So, Paul, I know you were talking about me just
• 1:11:32
  Speaker 8: now when you go, oh, uh.
• 1:11:35
  Speaker 3: What was your first clue?
• 1:11:36
  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah.
• 1:11:39
  Speaker 2: Oh, we lost you. He's in the canyon. You must
• 1:11:42
  Speaker 2: be in the hills of L.A. or something.
• 1:11:44
  Speaker 4: I don't even mean this disrespectfully. There was literally one
• 1:11:47
  Speaker 4: guy who called in and said that they should bench him.
• 1:11:49
  Speaker 3: It was him. Like, what else could I have been
• 1:11:51
  Speaker 3: talking about?
• 1:11:51
  Speaker 10: That's not what I said.
• 1:11:53
  Speaker 8: That's not what I said. What I said was if
• 1:11:54
  Speaker 8: his name was not Drake May, you'd be thinking about
• 1:11:57
  Speaker 8: sitting this guy down. And what the coaches did was,
• 1:12:01
  Speaker 8: if you do recall, he did sit in the fourth
• 1:12:04
  Speaker 8: quarter of one of those games, and then he got
• 1:12:06
  Speaker 8: sat down and talked to him. What happened? He got
• 1:12:08
  Speaker 8: his head together, just.
• 1:12:09
  Speaker 9: Like I said.
• 1:12:10
  Speaker 3: It was 35-6. I said to Benjamin, I said.
• 1:12:12
  Speaker 8: If it wasn't Drake May, any of the team would
• 1:12:15
  Speaker 8: sit this guy down. So let's let that guy call
• 1:12:18
  Speaker 8: or start to bench him. That's not what I said.
• 1:12:20
  Speaker 2: You did.
• 1:12:20
  Speaker 4: And what you just said indicates that you think he
• 1:12:23
  Speaker 4: should have been benched, but only his name protected him.
• 1:12:25
  Speaker 3: That's what you just said.
• 1:12:26
  Speaker 8: You would sit this guy down and talk to him.
• 1:12:29
  Speaker 8: I didn't even say bench him.
• 1:12:30
  Speaker 4: I'd have more respect for you if you just stood
• 1:12:32
  Speaker 4: by your conviction.
• 1:12:34
  Speaker 2: Just say Drake's pretty good.
• 1:12:35
  Speaker 3: I was wrong. Just stand by your opinion. That's all.
• 1:12:40
  Speaker 8: I kept telling you his stats for three weeks after that, Paul.
• 1:12:46
  Speaker 4: If it wasn't Drake May, he would have been benched.
• 1:12:49
  Speaker 4: He just said that just now, right?
• 1:12:51
  Speaker 2: The player should have been benched, but only because of
• 1:12:53
  Speaker 2: his name.
• 1:12:54
  Speaker 4: That means you would advocate for him being benched.
• 1:12:56
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 1:12:56
  Speaker 2: That's true.
• 1:12:57
  Speaker 8: If his name was not Drake May.
• 1:12:58
  Speaker 3: Correct.
• 1:13:00
  Speaker 4: As long as we're all on the same page, we
• 1:13:01
  Speaker 4: all agree.
• 1:13:02
  Speaker 2: If it was Jimmy Garoppolo, he would have been benched, right?
• 1:13:05
  Speaker 5: Christian, the best debaters, the best arguers never admit when
• 1:13:10
  Speaker 5: they're wrong, Christian.
• 1:13:12
  Speaker 3: Evan will teach you about that.
• 1:13:13
  Speaker 5: You just got to stand ten toes. When you never
• 1:13:16
  Speaker 5: admit when you're wrong, you can never lose a debate.
• 1:13:18
  Speaker 3: Sometimes you get it wrong.
• 1:13:19
  Speaker 4: I thought the Patriots were going to lose in Buffalo.
• 1:13:21
  Speaker 3: I was wrong. Sometimes you get it wrong. I heard
• 1:13:23
  Speaker 3: what he was saying when he called in.
• 1:13:24
  Speaker 10: Me too.
• 1:13:24
  Speaker 2: I got it right.
• 1:13:26
  Speaker 3: I was wrong.
• 1:13:28
  Speaker 8: He was playing terribly, and he got himself together. Now,
• 1:13:31
  Speaker 8: can I talk about the Raiders, please, Paul?
• 1:13:33
  Speaker 2: All right.
• 1:13:35
  Speaker 3: You can talk about whatever you want.
• 1:13:37
  Speaker 8: Can I talk about the Raiders now, Paul?
• 1:13:40
  Speaker 2: Okay, what do you got? Quickly, because, you know.
• 1:13:42
  Speaker 3: Did you lose your spot.
• 1:13:43
  Speaker 2: On the script? You had to go back to the top?
• 1:13:49
  Speaker 6: Wow.
• 1:13:50
  Speaker 3: Wow.
• 1:13:51
  Speaker 2: Well, he's got that Tesla, so he's got the big screen.
• 1:13:53
  Speaker 2: That is true.
• 1:13:54
  Speaker 4: It's like a teleprompter.
• 1:13:55
  Speaker 2: Yeah, he can read it right off the screen. Just
• 1:13:58
  Speaker 2: don't hit anybody with your doors that come open on
• 1:14:00
  Speaker 2: their own.
• 1:14:01
  Speaker 8: The Patriots are playing the Chargers here in L.A., and
• 1:14:04
  Speaker 8: I welcome you guys to come and check out the spot.
• 1:14:07
  Speaker 8: Come and check out both spots. It's an open invite.
• 1:14:09
  Speaker 6: I come with receipts.
• 1:14:10
  Speaker 8: Anyway, on to the Raiders. What really scares me is
• 1:14:15
  Speaker 8: we have been notoriously bad at playing zone rushing teams.
• 1:14:20
  Speaker 8: And so I know Mike Frabel has taken like a really,
• 1:14:24
  Speaker 8: he's taking gay back under his wing, which I'm really
• 1:14:26
  Speaker 8: happy for. You can see him on the sidelines, like
• 1:14:28
  Speaker 8: just hugging him up and loving him up and giving
• 1:14:30
  Speaker 8: him one-on-one hands-on instruction.
• 1:14:32
  Speaker 2: That is fabulous.
• 1:14:33
  Speaker 8: But, you know, I'm wondering, can we really set the edge?
• 1:14:37
  Speaker 8: If we can't, that's going to be a problem. And
• 1:14:38
  Speaker 8: now we've been notoriously bad against tight ends. I know
• 1:14:42
  Speaker 8: you guys said we're going to play split safeties, but
• 1:14:44
  Speaker 8: what personnel are we actually going to use for that
• 1:14:48
  Speaker 8: with those big body guys? And the last thing I
• 1:14:50
  Speaker 8: have is, can I get the under over for FN
• 1:14:53
  Speaker 8: Chisholm targets? I'll take it off the air.
• 1:14:56
  Speaker 3: Bye, Paul. Four and a half.
• 1:14:59
  Speaker 2: Targets. Targets.
• 1:15:01
  Speaker 3: Four and a half. So I'll say that's what I
• 1:15:04
  Speaker 3: think you had four targets last week.
• 1:15:06
  Speaker 2: So you're going to say over or under.
• 1:15:07
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:15:08
  Speaker 4: No, he asked for an over-under number. So I just
• 1:15:10
  Speaker 4: said it at four and a half.
• 1:15:11
  Speaker 3: You guys can go.
• 1:15:12
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 1:15:12
  Speaker 3: I'll go over on that one.
• 1:15:13
  Speaker 2: I understand what he's saying about the run game.
• 1:15:15
  Speaker 5: Like I think that the Raiders, I'm sure they will
• 1:15:19
  Speaker 5: are going to put their two tight ends out there
• 1:15:21
  Speaker 5: and they're going to test the edges of the Patriots defense.
• 1:15:23
  Speaker 5: I mean, he just watched Kenneth Walker when Superbowl MVP
• 1:15:26
  Speaker 5: running on the edges of the Patriots defense seven months ago.
• 1:15:29
  Speaker 5: So I don't know why he would change the approach
• 1:15:32
  Speaker 5: at all. And hopefully the Patriots are more equipped or
• 1:15:35
  Speaker 5: better equipped to defend it this time. And, you know,
• 1:15:37
  Speaker 5: we were talking in during the break about how well
• 1:15:39
  Speaker 5: this edge group has played. And I would say really
• 1:15:42
  Speaker 5: above expectation for all three of those guys going into
• 1:15:45
  Speaker 5: the season.
• 1:15:46
  Speaker 2: But that, that was how they lost.
• 1:15:48
  Speaker 5: The super bowl was 12 personnel and edge runs and
• 1:15:52
  Speaker 5: things like that.
• 1:15:52
  Speaker 2: And, Let's see it again.
• 1:15:54
  Speaker 7: Get specific, too, with, you know, like Caleb on chase
• 1:15:56
  Speaker 7: on said that they wanted to go different direction because
• 1:15:58
  Speaker 7: the run defense.
• 1:15:59
  Speaker 3: So now you get Draymond Jones in there. I mean,
• 1:16:00
  Speaker 3: it's just that one for one kind of swap.
• 1:16:03
  Speaker 7: I know it's very specific, but, you know, those are
• 1:16:04
  Speaker 7: the kind of things in the chess match that, you know,
• 1:16:06
  Speaker 7: be interesting to watch.
• 1:16:07
  Speaker 3: Draymond Jones.
• 1:16:08
  Speaker 2: Hold up. Yeah. Yeah. I guess Aaron in Port Jervis,
• 1:16:11
  Speaker 2: New York. The Dobbs interception is bothering me or the
• 1:16:15
  Speaker 2: call around that is bothering him. The replay on TV
• 1:16:19
  Speaker 2: seemed to clearly show the ball touched the ground. No,
• 1:16:22
  Speaker 2: it didn't. While Dobbs hit, then he rolled and the
• 1:16:25
  Speaker 2: ball popped out and was caught. Was the call on
• 1:16:28
  Speaker 2: the field that the ball never touched the ground, or
• 1:16:30
  Speaker 2: was the call that the ball was in Dobbs' possession
• 1:16:34
  Speaker 2: when it touched? The second one.
• 1:16:35
  Speaker 6: Right.
• 1:16:36
  Speaker 2: It would seem to me that if the ball touches
• 1:16:38
  Speaker 2: the ground, unless Dobbs completes the catch, then it should
• 1:16:40
  Speaker 2: be dead ball. I don't think it touched the ground. No,
• 1:16:43
  Speaker 2: I think it did touch the ground, but his hand
• 1:16:45
  Speaker 2: was underneath the ball.
• 1:16:47
  Speaker 11: Right.
• 1:16:47
  Speaker 4: And I think he had firm control.
• 1:16:49
  Speaker 2: Of the ball. Yes. His hand was definitely underneath it.
• 1:16:52
  Speaker 4: It was an unfortunate play. I mean, it was a
• 1:16:54
  Speaker 4: fluke kind of play, but I... Yeah, no, I watched that. Like, listen,
• 1:16:59
  Speaker 4: I was hoping it touched the ground, too, but... His
• 1:17:01
  Speaker 4: hand was underneath. I'll tell you another play in the
• 1:17:04
  Speaker 4: game that was close. I mean, it was definitely an
• 1:17:07
  Speaker 4: incomplete pass, but it was real close to another strip sack.
• 1:17:12
  Speaker 5: He had an empty hand, but then his hand got
• 1:17:14
  Speaker 5: back on the ball and propelled the ball forward, and
• 1:17:17
  Speaker 5: that's what saved the strip sack.
• 1:17:18
  Speaker 2: It was borderline.
• 1:17:20
  Speaker 4: He had just enough control of that coming forward, but
• 1:17:23
  Speaker 4: that was close. I think they called that one right, too.
• 1:17:26
  Speaker 2: There was like a split second where I don't think
• 1:17:27
  Speaker 2: he had control of the ball. Yeah, I calmed down
• 1:17:30
  Speaker 2: those around me on that play because I saw that
• 1:17:32
  Speaker 2: it was a forward pass right away. I said, don't
• 1:17:33
  Speaker 2: worry about it. Unlike the Marcus Jones fumble. That one
• 1:17:36
  Speaker 2: I didn't know.
• 1:17:37
  Speaker 3: What the hell is going on?
• 1:17:38
  Speaker 2: See, unlike Christian, I can admit, I didn't know.
• 1:17:40
  Speaker 3: I was wrong.
• 1:17:41
  Speaker 2: I didn't know.
• 1:17:41
  Speaker 4: Now, that one I did know, so I can't be
• 1:17:44
  Speaker 4: a magnanimous and say I didn't know.
• 1:17:47
  Speaker 2: Herm, Herm's in D.C.
• 1:17:49
  Speaker 3: What's up, Herm?
• 1:17:51
  Speaker 2: What's going on? Is everything good?
• 1:17:53
  Speaker 1: Oh, boy.
• 1:17:53
  Speaker 2: What's going on with your connection? I had a robot.
• 1:17:57
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know.
• 1:17:59
  Speaker 2: Why don't you try to call back? Get a better connection.
• 1:18:02
  Speaker 2: I can't handle that. Let's go over to Boston Cream.
• 1:18:08
  Speaker 2: What's up, Boston? That's right, boys.
• 1:18:12
  Speaker 8: The underdog patriots are back.
• 1:18:15
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 1:18:17
  Speaker 13: I think we need to put a time limit on Saba.
• 1:18:20
  Speaker 13: I don't know if it's pronounced Saba or Blah Blah
• 1:18:22
  Speaker 13: because she doesn't stop talking. Nobody cares about The commanders.
• 1:18:29
  Speaker 2: That's true.
• 1:18:29
  Speaker 8: This is a must-win game as Mr.
• 1:18:33
  Speaker 13: Cream is going to be in the stadium cheering his
• 1:18:36
  Speaker 13: lungs out.
• 1:18:37
  Speaker 2: Wow.
• 1:18:38
  Speaker 13: So, Fred, I need this to be a must-win.
• 1:18:40
  Speaker 2: Okay, well, you'll have to wait until tomorrow because I'm
• 1:18:43
  Speaker 2: still gathering my thoughts.
• 1:18:45
  Speaker 1: I'm patient.
• 1:18:46
  Speaker 8: I'm patient.
• 1:18:47
  Speaker 2: I need a couple more commutes before I can, you know.
• 1:18:51
  Speaker 2: Fair enough, fair enough. A couple more commutes.
• 1:18:53
  Speaker 8: Shout out to Toronto Will, who's leading the PU Pick'em.
• 1:18:56
  Speaker 3: League this year with a 45-19 record.
• 1:18:58
  Speaker 8: It is still going.
• 1:19:01
  Speaker 13: And we're getting a lot of fan support.
• 1:19:02
  Speaker 3: There, Fred.
• 1:19:04
  Speaker 2: 45-19. I still owe some people some stuff from last year, right?
• 1:19:10
  Speaker 13: Uh, I, I think Matt Morrell might've taken care of it.
• 1:19:12
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 1:19:13
  Speaker 3: Good job, Matt.
• 1:19:14
  Speaker 2: All right.
• 1:19:15
  Speaker 13: Yeah. I, one last thing, one last thing. I do
• 1:19:18
  Speaker 13: have a question.
• 1:19:19
  Speaker 7: Who's someone who has impressed you and who's someone who's unimpressed,
• 1:19:23
  Speaker 7: I guess, been unimpressive thus far.
• 1:19:26
  Speaker 2: Okay. All right. Well, you'll take it off the air.
• 1:19:28
  Speaker 3: I have one for impressed.
• 1:19:30
  Speaker 2: Well, who is it?
• 1:19:31
  Speaker 4: Christian Ellis.
• 1:19:32
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:19:32
  Speaker 8: Yeah.
• 1:19:32
  Speaker 2: That's a good one. Sure.
• 1:19:34
  Speaker 10: Yeah.
• 1:19:34
  Speaker 4: I mean, I don't want to just pick like, you know, Mr.
• 1:19:37
  Speaker 4: Big Hit, Christian Gonzalez. Yeah, Christian Gonzalez really impressed me.
• 1:19:41
  Speaker 4: I think Christian Ellis has been sneaky good in really
• 1:19:45
  Speaker 4: every game.
• 1:19:46
  Speaker 2: Really good. And not impressed is Gilliam. I'm disappointed.
• 1:19:51
  Speaker 5: I like the Christian Ellis shout. I think he deserves
• 1:19:53
  Speaker 5: a lot more love. I think he's been excellent. Really
• 1:19:56
  Speaker 5: good blitzer, really effective hitter. He had that play on
• 1:19:59
  Speaker 5: Sunday where he was carrying the wheel and he peeled
• 1:20:02
  Speaker 5: off the wheel route and just absolutely crushed the tight
• 1:20:05
  Speaker 5: end on the shallow. And I was really impressed by
• 1:20:07
  Speaker 5: a lot of those different like zone drops that he's
• 1:20:10
  Speaker 5: had and blitzing run defense even uh spying josh allen
• 1:20:14
  Speaker 5: a couple of times in the game on sunday i
• 1:20:16
  Speaker 5: just feel like he kind of gets under uh underrated
• 1:20:20
  Speaker 5: because of spillane you know it's kind of like the the.
• 1:20:22
  Speaker 3: Work he's been better than spilling well.
• 1:20:24
  Speaker 2: Yeah they've all been good but you know he's had
• 1:20:26
  Speaker 2: a number of big hits and you know you look
• 1:20:28
  Speaker 2: at that and say well you know he must be
• 1:20:29
  Speaker 2: really strong and fast but a lot of making those
• 1:20:33
  Speaker 2: type is timing as well yeah you know so he's
• 1:20:35
  Speaker 2: got a He seems to have a good knack for
• 1:20:37
  Speaker 2: timing these hits. Yeah, and I think he's fast. He
• 1:20:40
  Speaker 2: runs really well.
• 1:20:41
  Speaker 5: He converts speed to power really well on contact.
• 1:20:46
  Speaker 2: A lot of those. Speed to power. Speed to power.
• 1:20:49
  Speaker 3: Power to power.
• 1:20:49
  Speaker 2: It's impressive. Speed to speed. Can I have a down one?
• 1:20:53
  Speaker 2: Gilliam's not bad.
• 1:20:55
  Speaker 5: Corey Durden, just the whole nose tackle position in general.
• 1:20:58
  Speaker 5: In this matchup, that worries me a little bit with Linderbaum.
• 1:21:02
  Speaker 2: You know, I just.
• 1:21:03
  Speaker 5: I still feel like they get moved a little bit
• 1:21:05
  Speaker 5: too easily inside in the run game, and you like
• 1:21:07
  Speaker 5: to see them be a little stouter.
• 1:21:09
  Speaker 3: I'd love to just have a big-bodied guy inside. What
• 1:21:11
  Speaker 3: was the name?
• 1:21:11
  Speaker 2: Oh, like Kyrus Tonga?
• 1:21:13
  Speaker 7: Yeah, but even in the draft, Caden McDonald, is that right,
• 1:21:17
  Speaker 7: from Ohio State? A big foundational kind of dude to
• 1:21:21
  Speaker 7: stick in there that you know can just control the
• 1:21:24
  Speaker 7: middle gaps.
• 1:21:25
  Speaker 3: I'm with Fred on Gilliam.
• 1:21:26
  Speaker 7: My radar first went up, I think it was the
• 1:21:28
  Speaker 7: second pad of practice, and he got a veteran day rest,
• 1:21:30
  Speaker 7: and I was like, what's going on there? He's had
• 1:21:32
  Speaker 7: some veteran day rest. I just wonder if he's not healthy,
• 1:21:35
  Speaker 7: if he wasn't healthy when he got here.
• 1:21:37
  Speaker 1: Oh, maybe.
• 1:21:39
  Speaker 7: And when he's in there, it's just he's not doing
• 1:21:41
  Speaker 7: what I thought the fullback's going to do is, you know.
• 1:21:43
  Speaker 10: Move guys.
• 1:21:43
  Speaker 2: Speaking of how, is Harold Landry ever going to play?
• 1:21:47
  Speaker 4: So he could be practicing now. And the fact that
• 1:21:50
  Speaker 4: he hasn't, like Brendan School has been practicing for a
• 1:21:52
  Speaker 4: couple of weeks. And, you know, I would say he's
• 1:21:54
  Speaker 4: probably poised to come off now. I think he's going
• 1:21:57
  Speaker 4: to get activated.
• 1:21:57
  Speaker 2: Right, right.
• 1:21:58
  Speaker 4: They did, we probably should mention the transaction they let that,
• 1:22:01
  Speaker 4: is it Jose Ramirez?
• 1:22:02
  Speaker 2: Yes, they have two open roster spots.
• 1:22:04
  Speaker 3: So they have, yeah, they have the spots.
• 1:22:06
  Speaker 4: I wouldn't be surprised if Schooler gets activated now.
• 1:22:09
  Speaker 5: Yeah, Marcus Bryan, I think, might have a chance to
• 1:22:11
  Speaker 5: get activated as well. I mean, they've had so many
• 1:22:13
  Speaker 5: injuries on the offensive line that he's not a guard, but,
• 1:22:16
  Speaker 5: you know, it still.
• 1:22:16
  Speaker 2: Helps to have the depth. So, yeah, Landry, I... I'm
• 1:22:21
  Speaker 2: very skeptical if they're going to get anything.
• 1:22:23
  Speaker 7: Who do you pull off the field? Is he going
• 1:22:26
  Speaker 7: to come back and be better than one of these
• 1:22:27
  Speaker 7: three guys right now? I'd rather have some growing pains
• 1:22:30
  Speaker 7: with Akis and Ponder than to try to shoot. Now,
• 1:22:33
  Speaker 7: maybe there's an injury and you're going to need Landry,
• 1:22:35
  Speaker 7: but I think it's just been a weird whole thing.
• 1:22:39
  Speaker 7: We saw him working out in the summer a little bit.
• 1:22:40
  Speaker 3: He didn't look like he was very comfortable running. I
• 1:22:44
  Speaker 3: don't know.
• 1:22:44
  Speaker 7: I don't know if he's going to come back, and
• 1:22:46
  Speaker 7: even if he does come back, I don't know exactly
• 1:22:48
  Speaker 7: how they get him into the lineup.
• 1:22:50
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 1:22:51
  Speaker 4: Anybody else that you've been sort of quietly impressed with?
• 1:22:53
  Speaker 3: I've been a little lukewarm on Lomo just overall.
• 1:22:56
  Speaker 7: I mean, I just, you know, I see the size
• 1:22:57
  Speaker 7: and the athleticism, but I just haven't seen a lot of,
• 1:23:00
  Speaker 7: you know, things that make me think, all right, if
• 1:23:02
  Speaker 7: he gets in there, he's going to be, like, I
• 1:23:03
  Speaker 7: think it's going to be hold on for dear life.
• 1:23:05
  Speaker 4: I'm going to go with the guy who plays, and
• 1:23:07
  Speaker 4: I'm going to say Kevin Byard. I basically noticed him
• 1:23:10
  Speaker 4: on one play in four games, and it was the
• 1:23:12
  Speaker 4: first third down in the game on Sunday.
• 1:23:13
  Speaker 10: Yeah.
• 1:23:14
  Speaker 4: He made a terrific play to knock the ball away
• 1:23:16
  Speaker 4: from Kincaid, but I think he's been quiet.
• 1:23:19
  Speaker 2: He's been a little step slow in pursuit. Like in
• 1:23:21
  Speaker 2: the open field, that big 50-yarder, he was close to
• 1:23:24
  Speaker 2: that one. The run play that James Cook touched down,
• 1:23:27
  Speaker 2: the eight-yard touchdown, he had a chance to tackle him
• 1:23:30
  Speaker 2: and didn't. So little things like that with Bayard. But
• 1:23:35
  Speaker 2: I'm not.
• 1:23:36
  Speaker 5: I think that he's still doing what they mostly want
• 1:23:39
  Speaker 5: him to do. I still compare him to Devin McCourty
• 1:23:41
  Speaker 5: towards the end, where they want him to play the
• 1:23:44
  Speaker 5: back end, they want him to make sure there's no
• 1:23:46
  Speaker 5: busts and everybody knows where they're supposed to be and
• 1:23:48
  Speaker 5: all that kind of stuff, and I think he's doing
• 1:23:50
  Speaker 5: that job.
• 1:23:50
  Speaker 2: Now, Jimmy Kibble's on IR, right? Yes. Okay, so he
• 1:23:53
  Speaker 2: can't bring him back.
• 1:23:54
  Speaker 4: I think he might be one of the guys that
• 1:23:55
  Speaker 4: they actually made a settlement with and he's gone.
• 1:24:00
  Speaker 3: Don't pull me to that. I saw Nick DiGennaro just
• 1:24:02
  Speaker 3: sign with the Commanders. Okay.
• 1:24:06
  Speaker 4: Can't bring him back. What are you doing with your lips?
• 1:24:11
  Speaker 3: What the hell was that?
• 1:24:15
  Speaker 2: Herman DC is going to give it another shot. What's up, Herm?
• 1:24:19
  Speaker 10: What about now?
• 1:24:20
  Speaker 3: There we go.
• 1:24:21
  Speaker 2: Much better.
• 1:24:21
  Speaker 3: There we go.
• 1:24:22
  Speaker 2: Much better.
• 1:24:22
  Speaker 8: All right.
• 1:24:24
  Speaker 13: Got to blame T-Mobile for that. So I have a
• 1:24:28
  Speaker 13: ton on the way next week, and I hope that.
• 1:24:32
  Speaker 13: He'll never be a sore loser like C.J. Garner-Johnson or
• 1:24:36
  Speaker 13: a weasel like Christian from L.A.
• 1:24:38
  Speaker 2: Okay. All right. Those are two things to aspire against. Yes. 100%.
• 1:24:43
  Speaker 13: Two quick questions, and then I'll take it up there
• 1:24:47
  Speaker 13: and listen. I tried to look it up yesterday, and
• 1:24:50
  Speaker 13: I'm not sure if it's about accurate information, but it
• 1:24:54
  Speaker 13: looks like Drake may face a lot of zone, especially
• 1:24:59
  Speaker 13: the first three weeks. which obviously, you know, he didn't
• 1:25:04
  Speaker 13: really play that well, right? So my first question is,
• 1:25:08
  Speaker 13: is that pretty much, like, I guess, part of this, like, evolution, right,
• 1:25:13
  Speaker 13: to just, you know, being able to figure out, you know,
• 1:25:17
  Speaker 13: his offense against zone defenses specifically? And then my second
• 1:25:21
  Speaker 13: question was, it's kind of like a question about the rules.
• 1:25:24
  Speaker 13: The backwards pass from Josh Allen while he was in
• 1:25:27
  Speaker 13: that rule, a fumble. And I'll take it up there
• 1:25:32
  Speaker 13: and listen.
• 1:25:32
  Speaker 2: Okay, why wasn't it ruled a fumble? Not grounding, but
• 1:25:35
  Speaker 2: why wasn't it ruled a fumble? Because he threw it forward.
• 1:25:37
  Speaker 3: Because he threw the ball forward.
• 1:25:38
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it went forward. Yeah. Yeah. So whether it's underhand, overhand,
• 1:25:44
  Speaker 2: as long as it goes forward, it's a forward pass.
• 1:25:48
  Speaker 4: Right, like Drake May threw a shovel pass to Hunter
• 1:25:51
  Speaker 4: Henry earlier in that game.
• 1:25:52
  Speaker 2: Nice RPO design.
• 1:25:53
  Speaker 4: And if that, for whatever reason, gets knocked down or whatever,
• 1:25:57
  Speaker 4: it's not a fumble. As long as he throws it forward,
• 1:26:00
  Speaker 4: it doesn't matter how he throws it forward.
• 1:26:02
  Speaker 3: It's a forward pass.
• 1:26:03
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 1:26:04
  Speaker 6: Yep.
• 1:26:05
  Speaker 2: A lot of people are saying it should have been
• 1:26:06
  Speaker 2: a fumble.
• 1:26:08
  Speaker 4: You can make an argument it should have been intentional grounding.
• 1:26:10
  Speaker 2: It definitely should have been intentional grounding.
• 1:26:11
  Speaker 3: But it's not a fumble.
• 1:26:12
  Speaker 2: It's not a fumble. I mean, all the conspiracy people
• 1:26:15
  Speaker 2: are drawing that line. If you look at the lettering
• 1:26:20
  Speaker 2: in the end zone and use that as your mark,
• 1:26:23
  Speaker 2: the L from the bill's, It was very close.
• 1:26:28
  Speaker 3: It was definitely close.
• 1:26:29
  Speaker 2: It was closer than people say it was.
• 1:26:31
  Speaker 4: Oh, who's saying it wasn't close to intention around it?
• 1:26:34
  Speaker 2: Because people were taking the photo, the still, of course.
• 1:26:38
  Speaker 2: The ball's already out of his hands, and they're using that. Well,
• 1:26:42
  Speaker 2: he was fading that way. But the tackle box is
• 1:26:45
  Speaker 2: set by the two tackles. Right. So they used two.
• 1:26:49
  Speaker 2: They set the tackle box. That's the first photo. And
• 1:26:52
  Speaker 2: you can look at where the L is, where the
• 1:26:54
  Speaker 2: outside of the tackle is. And then you look at
• 1:26:57
  Speaker 2: the next still that they used, and you look at
• 1:27:00
  Speaker 2: where that L is.
• 1:27:02
  Speaker 13: Right?
• 1:27:03
  Speaker 2: In relation to Allen. But the still was after he
• 1:27:07
  Speaker 2: had thrown. The ball was already out of his hand.
• 1:27:10
  Speaker 2: And that's not an accurate one.
• 1:27:12
  Speaker 3: I don't see how anybody can make an argument that
• 1:27:14
  Speaker 3: that wasn't close. It was close.
• 1:27:15
  Speaker 2: It was close. He was drifting that way. I'd like
• 1:27:18
  Speaker 2: to see one.
• 1:27:18
  Speaker 3: I think it was intentional ground.
• 1:27:19
  Speaker 2: I'd like to see a still of when the ball's
• 1:27:21
  Speaker 2: still in his hand.
• 1:27:22
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 1:27:23
  Speaker 2: Because it was even closer than that one, and that
• 1:27:25
  Speaker 2: one was close.
• 1:27:26
  Speaker 4: I think there are three or four intentional groundings every game,
• 1:27:29
  Speaker 4: a couple on each team, and they never call it.
• 1:27:31
  Speaker 4: They always do what they did in this game. They
• 1:27:34
  Speaker 4: err on the side of giving the.
• 1:27:35
  Speaker 3: Quarterback a little.
• 1:27:35
  Speaker 2: They do.
• 1:27:36
  Speaker 4: If he's close to the tackle box, he's out of
• 1:27:38
  Speaker 4: the tackle box. If there's a receiver that's actually on...
• 1:27:41
  Speaker 4: I would say Shakir was probably about 10 yards away.
• 1:27:44
  Speaker 4: I don't think he was close enough to that not
• 1:27:46
  Speaker 4: to be intentional grounding. I would call it, but they don't.
• 1:27:49
  Speaker 2: Ever call it. I would also say that....
• 1:27:53
  Speaker 5: Where the tackle box is live is probably next to impossible. Now,
• 1:27:58
  Speaker 5: maybe they could use replay assist to draw the lines
• 1:28:02
  Speaker 5: and figure it all out, but to expect the refs
• 1:28:05
  Speaker 5: in real time to remember where Deion Dawkins was lined
• 1:28:10
  Speaker 5: up and be able to call it very, very close
• 1:28:14
  Speaker 5: like that is probably a little bit tricky.
• 1:28:16
  Speaker 4: The other thing that would have been great is if
• 1:28:19
  Speaker 4: they did call it intentional grounding to determine... where the
• 1:28:22
  Speaker 4: ball is when he actually lets it out of his hands.
• 1:28:25
  Speaker 4: Because he was right on the goal line when he's
• 1:28:28
  Speaker 4: throwing the ball. The ball has to be all the
• 1:28:30
  Speaker 4: way out of the end zone for it not to
• 1:28:32
  Speaker 4: be a safety. And I just wonder where exactly was
• 1:28:35
  Speaker 4: the the back half of the ball when he lets
• 1:28:38
  Speaker 4: it go from his hand with that sort of backhanded
• 1:28:41
  Speaker 4: flip i think it may have been a safety yeah
• 1:28:43
  Speaker 4: he's crazy but it should have definitely been intentional grounding anyway.
• 1:28:46
  Speaker 2: Josh i don't care about the inside no.
• 1:28:48
  Speaker 4: I'm just saying like if you're gonna call the game
• 1:28:51
  Speaker 4: you should call it right they don't i i i.
• 1:28:53
  Speaker 5: Don't know like i always err in the side of
• 1:28:55
  Speaker 5: like Let's keep the quarterbacks healthy and stuff like that. So, like,
• 1:28:58
  Speaker 5: if they're under an immense amount of pressure and they
• 1:29:00
  Speaker 5: throw a ball away so they don't get– What.
• 1:29:02
  Speaker 2: About erring on the side of rewarding a good play
• 1:29:04
  Speaker 2: by the defense?
• 1:29:05
  Speaker 4: That's why I don't like that they don't call intentional
• 1:29:07
  Speaker 4: grounding because you dial something up and you get there
• 1:29:10
  Speaker 4: and then the guy.
• 1:29:11
  Speaker 3: Is able to just go like this. Intentionally throw the
• 1:29:13
  Speaker 3: ball away. Yeah.
• 1:29:14
  Speaker 5: I totally– I agree with what you're all saying, but
• 1:29:17
  Speaker 5: I would rather Drake May and Josh Allen and all
• 1:29:19
  Speaker 5: these quarterbacks to, like, play the whole season and not
• 1:29:22
  Speaker 5: have to wait.
• 1:29:22
  Speaker 2: But that's not going to stop them from being tackled
• 1:29:24
  Speaker 2: by calling the right play. It kind of does. When
• 1:29:26
  Speaker 2: they throw the ball.
• 1:29:28
  Speaker 5: Yeah, because if you throw the ball away on some
• 1:29:30
  Speaker 5: of these plays, then the guys aren't tackling them to
• 1:29:33
  Speaker 5: the ground.
• 1:29:33
  Speaker 2: All the time. Yes, they are. Not all the time. Well, no. Right,
• 1:29:36
  Speaker 2: if there's space between them. But on a play like that,
• 1:29:38
  Speaker 2: he gets brought to the ground either way. Yeah, I know.
• 1:29:41
  Speaker 3: Most of the time, I would say the guy's getting
• 1:29:43
  Speaker 3: hit either way.
• 1:29:45
  Speaker 4: I don't know.
• 1:29:46
  Speaker 3: It's so hard to play defense.
• 1:29:48
  Speaker 4: I even get sort of annoyed sometimes when you dial
• 1:29:51
  Speaker 4: up a blitz and you get there and you hit
• 1:29:52
  Speaker 4: him as he throws it, and it's one of those
• 1:29:55
  Speaker 4: like we're talking with Drake May. You don't only not
• 1:30:00
  Speaker 4: get the fumble, but you don't even get the sack.
• 1:30:03
  Speaker 4: The ball goes back to the line of scrimmage because
• 1:30:04
  Speaker 4: it's considered an incomplete pass. I mean, it's just tough.
• 1:30:07
  Speaker 3: It's no one's fault.
• 1:30:08
  Speaker 4: But you won the play, and all you end up
• 1:30:11
  Speaker 4: with is an incomplete pass.
• 1:30:13
  Speaker 2: And by the way, I'm with Troy Brown. These quarterback
• 1:30:16
  Speaker 2: roughing plays need to be reviewed. Because I've seen at
• 1:30:19
  Speaker 2: least twice this year where they call the guy putting
• 1:30:21
  Speaker 2: his weight on the... And both times the player put
• 1:30:24
  Speaker 2: his hands down to kind of minimize that and didn't
• 1:30:27
  Speaker 2: get credit for that. And so they need to review
• 1:30:29
  Speaker 2: those because good defensive plays are being negated because of.
• 1:30:33
  Speaker 4: I think they just need to do away with that
• 1:30:35
  Speaker 4: whole putting the weight on the guy. I mean, again,
• 1:30:37
  Speaker 4: these defensive players, like, I don't know how.
• 1:30:41
  Speaker 3: You do it. Spin off. Try not to.
• 1:30:43
  Speaker 4: I have to consciously... you know, defy the physics involved
• 1:30:48
  Speaker 4: of me landing on this guy here.
• 1:30:51
  Speaker 2: You know, if I make a real sound tackle and
• 1:30:53
  Speaker 2: bury my shoulder pads in it, my head's going to
• 1:30:54
  Speaker 2: be down. So it's hard to, you know, do anything.
• 1:30:58
  Speaker 3: And I get it.
• 1:30:59
  Speaker 4: They do, like, there's a famous one with Tony Siragusa,
• 1:31:03
  Speaker 4: you know, once upon a time when he was a Baltimore,
• 1:31:05
  Speaker 4: he clearly landed on purpose on Gannon in that AFC
• 1:31:09
  Speaker 4: championship game. He did that to try to hurt him.
• 1:31:11
  Speaker 2: He drove him into the ground.
• 1:31:12
  Speaker 4: And that should be a penalty, what he did. It
• 1:31:14
  Speaker 4: wasn't at the time. But I don't see that a
• 1:31:17
  Speaker 4: lot in the league.
• 1:31:18
  Speaker 2: And if you review it, you'll see it. It doesn't
• 1:31:21
  Speaker 2: have to be a split-second decision by the ref.
• 1:31:23
  Speaker 7: Do you think it's changed the way that pass rushers
• 1:31:25
  Speaker 7: kind of play, where in the past it felt like
• 1:31:27
  Speaker 7: they want to kill the quarterback, and now it feels
• 1:31:29
  Speaker 7: like if you go out there trying to kill the quarterback,
• 1:31:32
  Speaker 7: you're probably going.
• 1:31:33
  Speaker 2: To have a negative. Well, you still want to, you
• 1:31:35
  Speaker 2: still want to intimidate him and put the fear of
• 1:31:38
  Speaker 2: God in him. You just got to do it cleanly.
• 1:31:39
  Speaker 2: You can't, you know, kill the head. Remember that guy
• 1:31:42
  Speaker 2: from the saints, Greg Williams, Greg Williams, strike zone, you know,
• 1:31:45
  Speaker 2: like you can't go low, can't go high. Like a
• 1:31:47
  Speaker 2: lot of people can't land on them. Like, you look
• 1:31:50
  Speaker 2: at the old Tippett things and yeah, some of the
• 1:31:52
  Speaker 2: things he did then you wouldn't, especially guys down, but
• 1:31:56
  Speaker 2: a lot of his hits were just shoulder into his midsection. Yeah.
• 1:32:01
  Speaker 4: That's when I was thinking of suplex guys.
• 1:32:03
  Speaker 2: I mean, those were like, but, but when he used
• 1:32:07
  Speaker 2: his shoulders, they were clean hits. Yeah.
• 1:32:11
  Speaker 3: No, he didn't know what state he was in.
• 1:32:12
  Speaker 2: We got enough backup quarterbacks playing in the league right now.
• 1:32:15
  Speaker 3: I agree with that. No, that's true, man.
• 1:32:17
  Speaker 2: Um, Just do the neck things and you won't hit
• 1:32:20
  Speaker 2: your heads. Eric in Rochester, New York. I was listening
• 1:32:24
  Speaker 2: to yesterday's show and I just realized how many subtle
• 1:32:26
  Speaker 2: movie quotes or references Mike sneaks in on a regular basis.
• 1:32:30
  Speaker 2: Yesterday's mention of Jazz Odyssey as a reference to Spinal
• 1:32:34
  Speaker 2: Tap may have been a piece de resistance when it
• 1:32:38
  Speaker 2: comes to this. Or maybe it's just because it's my
• 1:32:40
  Speaker 2: favorite Christopher Guest movie.
• 1:32:42
  Speaker 3: Me too.
• 1:32:43
  Speaker 2: Never change, Mike. Christopher Guest. Who wants Jazz Odyssey?
• 1:32:48
  Speaker 3: It's one of my favorite lines. It's random. This is
• 1:32:51
  Speaker 3: Spinal Tap? It doesn't hold up.
• 1:32:53
  Speaker 2: I'm sure it doesn't.
• 1:32:54
  Speaker 3: It's a spoof. It wouldn't be for you. It's not serious.
• 1:32:58
  Speaker 2: Travis in West Virginia.
• 1:33:00
  Speaker 3: Okay, it's like that.
• 1:33:02
  Speaker 2: Travis says, it's fitting that Herman DC uses T-Mobile, maybe
• 1:33:05
  Speaker 2: also drives a Kia. You've got to use Verizon. Verizon
• 1:33:08
  Speaker 2: is the one you've got to use. I've got gripes
• 1:33:10
  Speaker 2: with Verizon these days.
• 1:33:12
  Speaker 3: I've been Verizon for life, man. There's a surprise. I
• 1:33:17
  Speaker 3: haven't really ever had a problem.
• 1:33:18
  Speaker 7: I'm a Verizon cell phone since I got my first
• 1:33:20
  Speaker 7: cell phone, and now I have Verizon Internet.
• 1:33:24
  Speaker 2: Good company guy.
• 1:33:25
  Speaker 7: I also have a Verizon credit card, so I'm a
• 1:33:28
  Speaker 7: Verizon card-carrying member.
• 1:33:30
  Speaker 2: What do you get for that?
• 1:33:31
  Speaker 3: You get cash back on certain things.
• 1:33:33
  Speaker 2: Cash back.
• 1:33:34
  Speaker 3: 5% on gas and groceries.
• 1:33:35
  Speaker 2: On long-distance calls.
• 1:33:36
  Speaker 3: Well, you can use it to apply it to either.
• 1:33:38
  Speaker 3: You're punching the number.
• 1:33:40
  Speaker 2: Do you remember when we were kids, Paul?
• 1:33:41
  Speaker 3: Yes.
• 1:33:42
  Speaker 2: At home, like, oh, long distance, it costs extra. You know,
• 1:33:45
  Speaker 2: you can't.
• 1:33:45
  Speaker 3: You got to wait until 5. Yeah.
• 1:33:48
  Speaker 7: When I moved to California, I would call my parents.
• 1:33:50
  Speaker 7: I would ring once and then hang up, and then
• 1:33:52
  Speaker 7: they would call me back.
• 1:33:53
  Speaker 2: Well, you know what I used to do? So back
• 1:33:56
  Speaker 2: when they had pay phones. When I was in the
• 1:33:58
  Speaker 2: dorm at University of Tampa, the way we would do it,
• 1:34:01
  Speaker 2: I'd do operator assistance, collect call. No, person-to-person call to
• 1:34:07
  Speaker 2: my father. And then he'd pick it up and say,
• 1:34:09
  Speaker 2: he's not here. And then he'd hang up and call
• 1:34:12
  Speaker 2: me back.
• 1:34:12
  Speaker 3: There you go. Subtle nods, you know. Yikes.
• 1:34:16
  Speaker 15: Get it.
• 1:34:16
  Speaker 3: Remember calling cards, too? I had a calling card for
• 1:34:18
  Speaker 3: a while. I had a calling card for a little bit.
• 1:34:21
  Speaker 5: When we used to travel, my mom owned her own business,
• 1:34:23
  Speaker 5: so she would, like, have to buy calling cards to
• 1:34:25
  Speaker 5: call back to the office to check in on the office.
• 1:34:28
  Speaker 5: This was before, like, cell phones could do, like, international, like,
• 1:34:31
  Speaker 5: plans and stuff like that.
• 1:34:33
  Speaker 2: So you used to buy... They sold it at the hotel.
• 1:34:35
  Speaker 2: You could buy a.
• 1:34:37
  Speaker 4: But you never had a deal with it. Like, literally,
• 1:34:39
  Speaker 4: what Fred's talking about, if you had to make a
• 1:34:43
  Speaker 4: call from outside of your... area code, it costs more money.
• 1:34:47
  Speaker 4: Even if it was just like you were calling from
• 1:34:49
  Speaker 4: 617 to 508, it would cost a little more money.
• 1:34:53
  Speaker 4: And if it was a real long distance, you had
• 1:34:55
  Speaker 4: to wait until after 5.
• 1:34:56
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:34:58
  Speaker 3: Remember the commercials?
• 1:34:59
  Speaker 2: Yeah. And now listen, I remember before 508, there was
• 1:35:02
  Speaker 2: no 508. It was 617.
• 1:35:04
  Speaker 4: My day, we.
• 1:35:06
  Speaker 2: Didn't have 508. 617 is the right area code.
• 1:35:10
  Speaker 3: Yeah, 617 was my area code.
• 1:35:11
  Speaker 2: I have that on my cell phone. I'm never going
• 1:35:13
  Speaker 2: to lose it. Me too. I can keep it.
• 1:35:15
  Speaker 3: I know.
• 1:35:15
  Speaker 7: My I don't really use my personal one, but I
• 1:35:17
  Speaker 7: still have a 310, which that's the number to have
• 1:35:19
  Speaker 7: out in California.
• 1:35:20
  Speaker 2: You get the 310.
• 1:35:21
  Speaker 3: Oh, yeah, 310.
• 1:35:22
  Speaker 2: Then you're with.
• 1:35:22
  Speaker 3: Christian and Monica. The personal cell phone is a 617.
• 1:35:27
  Speaker 3: This one's not. Yeah, 508. The Patriots one is a 508.
• 1:35:30
  Speaker 2: Remember the Seinfeld one where, I forget, he had a girlfriend.
• 1:35:37
  Speaker 2: Kramer had a girlfriend who got her area code changed,
• 1:35:40
  Speaker 2: and it was like, She moved out of the country.
• 1:35:42
  Speaker 3: It was a different part of New York, right?
• 1:35:44
  Speaker 2: Yeah, right. Just down the street.
• 1:35:46
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:35:46
  Speaker 6: Yeah. Yeah.
• 1:35:47
  Speaker 2: Everything comes back to.
• 1:35:49
  Speaker 1: Sure.
• 1:35:50
  Speaker 2: Alec writes in Guten Tag. He says he's from Berlin.
• 1:35:55
  Speaker 2: Fred made a quick mention about Evan using stats possibly
• 1:35:58
  Speaker 2: to erroneously pick his games. That's why he's so bad.
• 1:36:02
  Speaker 2: Last season, I had commented on the possibility that Evan
• 1:36:05
  Speaker 2: is misusing NFL stats to pick his games. This is
• 1:36:08
  Speaker 2: a flawed approach as these stats, such as next gen,
• 1:36:12
  Speaker 2: though highly detailed, they're fundamentally descriptive. What most of the
• 1:36:16
  Speaker 2: PU crew seems to understand better than Evan is that
• 1:36:19
  Speaker 2: every game in matchup brings a new set of intangible
• 1:36:22
  Speaker 2: human factors. Also, there is turnover every season, roster, coaches,
• 1:36:27
  Speaker 2: not to mention substitutions. This is way too deep. Due
• 1:36:29
  Speaker 2: to injuries and other factors. So you really need to
• 1:36:32
  Speaker 2: reassess every week, of course.
• 1:36:35
  Speaker 5: This is looking way too much into it. And that's
• 1:36:40
  Speaker 5: coming from me.
• 1:36:40
  Speaker 4: I think we should put a camera on tomorrow. Tomorrow
• 1:36:44
  Speaker 4: after the show.
• 1:36:45
  Speaker 2: Let me just finish up, Alex. I'm falling asleep. I've
• 1:36:47
  Speaker 2: teased Evan of this in the past. He's fine in
• 1:36:51
  Speaker 2: descriptive work, explaining what we are seeing and describing a
• 1:36:54
  Speaker 2: play and so on. But he falls short in forecasting
• 1:36:57
  Speaker 2: wins and losses because he seems to lean on descriptive stats. Thus,
• 1:37:01
  Speaker 2: he mistakes past performance for future certainty. I suppose his
• 1:37:05
  Speaker 2: love of history and limited math skills explains this. One
• 1:37:10
  Speaker 2: more thing for Paul. Do not hide or feel you
• 1:37:13
  Speaker 2: must apologize for your Boston, New England accent on the program.
• 1:37:16
  Speaker 2: Embrace it.
• 1:37:18
  Speaker 12: No.
• 1:37:20
  Speaker 5: I say this all the time, and I know it's
• 1:37:22
  Speaker 5: going to come off as an excuse. I don't watch
• 1:37:24
  Speaker 5: a lot of football on Sundays. I watch who the
• 1:37:27
  Speaker 5: Patriots play, and I watch the opponents.
• 1:37:31
  Speaker 2: What do you think? I sit in front of a TV? No, stop.
• 1:37:35
  Speaker 3: I don't really like.
• 1:37:37
  Speaker 2: I'm with you. I understand that, Fred.
• 1:37:40
  Speaker 5: The reason why I think I'm bad at the picks
• 1:37:46
  Speaker 5: is because I'm paying attention to the Patriots and the Raiders.
• 1:37:49
  Speaker 5: I don't really know what's happening with the other 30
• 1:37:51
  Speaker 5: teams in the league as much.
• 1:37:53
  Speaker 2: But you have all week to catch up. I don't
• 1:37:57
  Speaker 2: even care.
• 1:37:58
  Speaker 3: Some of us like to watch football.
• 1:37:59
  Speaker 2: My focus is solely.
• 1:38:00
  Speaker 5: Do you enjoy watching football? i think you're missing the
• 1:38:05
  Speaker 5: point my my focus is not like why would i
• 1:38:08
  Speaker 5: catch up like what so i'd be better at picks no.
• 1:38:10
  Speaker 3: So you know the league yeah feel for the league
• 1:38:13
  Speaker 3: yeah i would.
• 1:38:14
  Speaker 4: Just say in evan's defense if anybody ever saw how
• 1:38:17
  Speaker 4: little time it takes us to go after the show
• 1:38:19
  Speaker 4: because he always leaves early and we do the picks
• 1:38:22
  Speaker 4: off air yeah if anybody watched to see how little
• 1:38:25
  Speaker 4: time it takes to rifle through the 16 games for
• 1:38:27
  Speaker 4: him to make his picks you wouldn't say that he's
• 1:38:29
  Speaker 4: overly reliant on stats.
• 1:38:31
  Speaker 3: He doesn't look at anything.
• 1:38:35
  Speaker 2: But are you interested in the league as a whole?
• 1:38:38
  Speaker 3: Yeah, sure.
• 1:38:39
  Speaker 5: But I'm interested in the league as the whole in
• 1:38:41
  Speaker 5: a totally different facet than.
• 1:38:43
  Speaker 2: I think that's what Alex is saying.
• 1:38:44
  Speaker 3: But I'll give you this.
• 1:38:45
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 1:38:45
  Speaker 5: But but that but what Alex is saying like that,
• 1:38:49
  Speaker 5: I don't really think that that's like I don't really
• 1:38:51
  Speaker 5: care about that as much for my job. My job
• 1:38:54
  Speaker 5: is to cover this team and cover the and cover
• 1:38:56
  Speaker 5: the Patriots and cover the teams the Patriots are playing.
• 1:38:59
  Speaker 5: So like with the stuff that I'm talking about, the
• 1:39:01
  Speaker 5: stuff that I'm writing about during the week has nothing
• 1:39:04
  Speaker 5: to do with, uh, Sabah's team.
• 1:39:05
  Speaker 2: I'm not saying any of us could, should lose any
• 1:39:08
  Speaker 2: sleep about being bad at picks. No, none of us should.
• 1:39:11
  Speaker 3: It's a fluke.
• 1:39:11
  Speaker 2: None of us should, but there is something, how bad
• 1:39:14
  Speaker 2: you are.
• 1:39:16
  Speaker 3: And you know, well, I don't know.
• 1:39:18
  Speaker 2: I don't really care. It is like literally like a, a,
• 1:39:22
  Speaker 2: the least of my concerns. I couldn't even possibly tell you.
• 1:39:26
  Speaker 3: This'll be an Evan.
• 1:39:27
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 1:39:27
  Speaker 3: It's, uh, Let's go.
• 1:39:30
  Speaker 4: It's New Orleans playing Baltimore. Baltimore by seven. I'll take Baltimore,
• 1:39:37
  Speaker 4: but give me New Orleans. They've been frisky. They've been
• 1:39:40
  Speaker 4: a little frisky. I'll take the point.
• 1:39:42
  Speaker 2: But that's what we all do. No, no, no.
• 1:39:44
  Speaker 3: But that's all, like, people have this. He's not running
• 1:39:46
  Speaker 3: it through the data set. People have this opinion.
• 1:39:47
  Speaker 2: Well, then he comes down with his sheet, which is
• 1:39:49
  Speaker 2: always wrong.
• 1:39:50
  Speaker 3: That Evan's, like, looking through reams of data.
• 1:39:52
  Speaker 4: Like, I can just tell you, like, thank you.
• 1:39:55
  Speaker 2: No, he's not doing that.
• 1:39:56
  Speaker 3: There's no reams of data.
• 1:39:57
  Speaker 2: When he's doing his picks. I really don't care.
• 1:39:59
  Speaker 3: Let me put this in the Lazar 2000. Yeah. What
• 1:40:01
  Speaker 3: I do.
• 1:40:02
  Speaker 2: Is you're right that he's bad, but you're wrong. And why? Right.
• 1:40:07
  Speaker 4: But it's just kind of fluky. And what I try
• 1:40:09
  Speaker 4: to do is, you know, you guys make fun of
• 1:40:12
  Speaker 4: me for watching Red Zone during the postgame show. So
• 1:40:14
  Speaker 4: I do have an idea of what's going on in
• 1:40:15
  Speaker 4: the four o'clock games. But when I go home, generally,
• 1:40:18
  Speaker 4: when I get home after a Sunday at one. I'll
• 1:40:21
  Speaker 4: spend a half hour poking around the different channels just
• 1:40:24
  Speaker 4: to see some highlight pack. Oh, okay, that's how that
• 1:40:27
  Speaker 4: happened in that game.
• 1:40:29
  Speaker 3: But I don't study. It's not the stats or anything
• 1:40:31
  Speaker 3: like trends.
• 1:40:32
  Speaker 2: I have no idea. Sneak, didn't he have a good week,
• 1:40:36
  Speaker 2: I heard, every once in a while?
• 1:40:39
  Speaker 3: For him.
• 1:40:40
  Speaker 2: Oh, I thought you had a good week.
• 1:40:41
  Speaker 3: He came in last in the spread again. He's well
• 1:40:44
  Speaker 3: under 500 again.
• 1:40:44
  Speaker 2: I thought he had a really good week.
• 1:40:45
  Speaker 4: Everybody had a good week picking the overall games, which
• 1:40:47
  Speaker 4: tells me there probably weren't any upsets last week.
• 1:40:49
  Speaker 2: Right, right.
• 1:40:50
  Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah.
• 1:40:51
  Speaker 5: We're also starting to get to a point where the
• 1:40:53
  Speaker 5: league is declaring. I think in the beginning I was
• 1:40:57
  Speaker 5: picking based off of what I thought teams were going
• 1:40:59
  Speaker 5: to be going into the season.
• 1:41:01
  Speaker 4: We had 13-3s, 12-4s, and 11-5s in the overalls last week.
• 1:41:04
  Speaker 4: Everybody did well.
• 1:41:05
  Speaker 7: I have a question. What did you do on the
• 1:41:08
  Speaker 7: first Sunday of NFL season? We weren't We had already
• 1:41:12
  Speaker 7: played our game.
• 1:41:12
  Speaker 3: We weren't... He went out with that. It worked.
• 1:41:14
  Speaker 2: No, no. We didn't watch football that weekend.
• 1:41:17
  Speaker 7: Because I love that. That was great to me. Especially
• 1:41:19
  Speaker 7: the first weekend of the year. I put on Red Zone.
• 1:41:22
  Speaker 7: I was like Red Zone 1 to 430.
• 1:41:23
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:41:24
  Speaker 2: I just... My brain just doesn't really fixate on these
• 1:41:32
  Speaker 2: types of things. When I.
• 1:41:34
  Speaker 5: know the league, the rest of the league to me,
• 1:41:35
  Speaker 5: that's like knowing like schematically, like what's going on with
• 1:41:39
  Speaker 5: the rest of the league and what teams are trending,
• 1:41:42
  Speaker 5: you know, what's trending, what, what are teams doing schematically?
• 1:41:45
  Speaker 5: That's like the thing that's happening defensively, offensively, you know,
• 1:41:49
  Speaker 5: that those types of things like. I don't really get
• 1:41:51
  Speaker 5: into what's their record and how are their games unfolding
• 1:41:56
  Speaker 5: unless they play the Patriots.
• 1:41:57
  Speaker 7: Yeah, that's one thing I do try to do is
• 1:41:59
  Speaker 7: just keep an eye on the Patriots' future opponents as
• 1:42:02
  Speaker 7: we go. So I'll always make a point to, all right,
• 1:42:05
  Speaker 7: let me make sure I know what happened with the
• 1:42:07
  Speaker 7: Raiders and the Jets last couple games.
• 1:42:09
  Speaker 2: To me, the NFL is my soap opera. Some people
• 1:42:12
  Speaker 2: like soap opera. Some people like the WWE industry. Like,
• 1:42:16
  Speaker 2: the storylines of the NFL are my soap opera. So
• 1:42:19
  Speaker 2: I'm interested that way.
• 1:42:21
  Speaker 3: Me too.
• 1:42:21
  Speaker 2: It's an ongoing story. And so I kind of, you know,
• 1:42:25
  Speaker 2: we get on the bus after I game. I check
• 1:42:27
  Speaker 2: all the scores. If something pops out, I might. poke
• 1:42:30
  Speaker 2: in and see, okay, why was that a blowout? Why
• 1:42:33
  Speaker 2: was that close? You know, it's interesting.
• 1:42:36
  Speaker 4: That's why Fred and I tend to dominate the picks.
• 1:42:38
  Speaker 3: I guess so.
• 1:42:39
  Speaker 2: I don't even look at the scores.
• 1:42:41
  Speaker 3: I will say when the.
• 1:42:42
  Speaker 2: You say that with such disdain, right?
• 1:42:45
  Speaker 3: Like, what are we paying this guy?
• 1:42:46
  Speaker 2: I know. You know, you're starting to sound like Eric Scalavito.
• 1:42:51
  Speaker 2: Don't even look at him. I don't watch the news.
• 1:42:53
  Speaker 5: Like, I'll... I'll look at the standings on Monday just
• 1:43:00
  Speaker 5: to make sure I know where the Patriots are in
• 1:43:03
  Speaker 5: the bigger picture.
• 1:43:04
  Speaker 2: So, okay.
• 1:43:06
  Speaker 3: See, I'm with you with the soap opera.
• 1:43:08
  Speaker 4: Just look right here for the Patriots the last two weeks.
• 1:43:12
  Speaker 4: To me, that was a fascinating sort of microcosm of
• 1:43:15
  Speaker 4: what you're talking about.
• 1:43:16
  Speaker 2: I get in trouble when I talk about the soap opera.
• 1:43:18
  Speaker 4: They lose 35-6 and everything looks bad.
• 1:43:22
  Speaker 3: They were outclassed.
• 1:43:24
  Speaker 4: And then in one week, Vrabel's able to flush that
• 1:43:28
  Speaker 4: and get them ready to go the following week, and
• 1:43:30
  Speaker 4: they go on the road and they pull off an
• 1:43:31
  Speaker 4: upset as a touchdown underdog.
• 1:43:33
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:43:33
  Speaker 3: Like, that to me is what the NFL is week
• 1:43:35
  Speaker 3: to week.
• 1:43:35
  Speaker 2: But, you know, Lamar is out. How is Baltimore going
• 1:43:38
  Speaker 2: to handle that?
• 1:43:39
  Speaker 3: Who do they have?
• 1:43:39
  Speaker 4: Can they get by without Jackson?
• 1:43:41
  Speaker 2: I might be.
• 1:43:42
  Speaker 3: I'm a little more towards Evan. Chicago winning two games
• 1:43:43
  Speaker 3: with two different quarterbacks without Caleb Williams.
• 1:43:47
  Speaker 2: New head coaches. How are they going to do? Yeah.
• 1:43:49
  Speaker 2: You know?
• 1:43:50
  Speaker 3: I'm a little bit more on Evan's end of the spectrum.
• 1:43:51
  Speaker 3: I will say.
• 1:43:53
  Speaker 4: Yeah, you guys both don't care.
• 1:43:54
  Speaker 7: With the four-win seasons, that had me looking outside a
• 1:43:57
  Speaker 7: lot more just to see.
• 1:43:59
  Speaker 3: I'm the complete opposite.
• 1:44:00
  Speaker 2: I was looking in the college game when we were
• 1:44:01
  Speaker 2: four-win seasons.
• 1:44:02
  Speaker 4: When the Patriots are good, there's more reason to find
• 1:44:04
  Speaker 4: out who else is good. Who do you have to
• 1:44:06
  Speaker 4: worry about? Is Kansas City back?
• 1:44:08
  Speaker 2: I don't know.
• 1:44:09
  Speaker 3: I haven't really seen enough.
• 1:44:10
  Speaker 5: I'm worried about one team and one team only, the
• 1:44:11
  Speaker 5: Las Vegas Raiders. There you go. See, I can overlook teams.
• 1:44:16
  Speaker 5: Fred used to get mad at me for overlooking teams.
• 1:44:18
  Speaker 4: I don't play. I don't prepare for the game. It
• 1:44:21
  Speaker 4: doesn't matter if I'm overlooking the Raiders this week.
• 1:44:24
  Speaker 2: It's not about overlooking them.
• 1:44:26
  Speaker 3: But I don't care about the Raiders.
• 1:44:27
  Speaker 5: All the content that we're doing is about the Raiders.
• 1:44:30
  Speaker 2: This show, Catch-22, my game preview.
• 1:44:34
  Speaker 3: I like locking in on Monday, looking at one team.
• 1:44:37
  Speaker 5: When Fred said that he gets on the bus and
• 1:44:40
  Speaker 5: looks at the scores, I'm already watching the tape when
• 1:44:42
  Speaker 5: we get on the bus.
• 1:44:45
  Speaker 3: But that's just– And.
• 1:44:46
  Speaker 4: I just know because I watch the games during the course.
• 1:44:48
  Speaker 2: Of the season.
• 1:44:49
  Speaker 5: Except I point out things that are just– you guys
• 1:44:51
  Speaker 5: say that completely wrong all the time.
• 1:44:54
  Speaker 4: You have stuff like from a statistical standpoint that I
• 1:44:57
  Speaker 4: wouldn't know.
• 1:44:58
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:44:58
  Speaker 4: Like the stuff about the tight ends with Oakland and,
• 1:45:01
  Speaker 4: I mean, Vegas.
• 1:45:02
  Speaker 6: Vegas.
• 1:45:03
  Speaker 3: And all that stuff.
• 1:45:04
  Speaker 4: I'm not saying that that's irrelevant.
• 1:45:05
  Speaker 3: That's highly relevant.
• 1:45:07
  Speaker 2: No, it's just– to me, it's just– like, listen, Evan.
• 1:45:10
  Speaker 2: The work you put in is unmatched. I will give
• 1:45:13
  Speaker 2: you that.
• 1:45:13
  Speaker 3: Well, it's matched.
• 1:45:14
  Speaker 2: And the detail that you put into it is admirable
• 1:45:17
  Speaker 2: in my view. I just find it interesting that you
• 1:45:21
  Speaker 2: can be so involved in the Patriots and what they
• 1:45:25
  Speaker 2: do and not really give a damn about the rest
• 1:45:27
  Speaker 2: of the league. It's just interesting. Not from like a
• 1:45:30
  Speaker 2: soap opera type of standpoint.
• 1:45:33
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:45:34
  Speaker 2: Do you mean the offseason, though?
• 1:45:35
  Speaker 7: Because I feel like sometimes you'll jump into like a
• 1:45:37
  Speaker 7: Ben Johnson offense or things like that.
• 1:45:40
  Speaker 5: Yeah, but just to study the offense just to see
• 1:45:43
  Speaker 5: what it is that they're doing, you know, because I
• 1:45:46
  Speaker 5: think a lot of things in the league are trendy
• 1:45:48
  Speaker 5: or trends.
• 1:45:49
  Speaker 2: A lot of things are borrowed.
• 1:45:51
  Speaker 5: So, like, you know, I'll look at the top offensive
• 1:45:53
  Speaker 5: coordinators and the top play callers really on both sides.
• 1:45:55
  Speaker 2: Of the ball and, like, what are they doing? Like,
• 1:45:58
  Speaker 2: I think that was really the most fun part about this.
• 1:46:01
  Speaker 2: So if your job was to scout other teams, would
• 1:46:03
  Speaker 2: you enjoy that? Yeah. Oh, you would? Yeah.
• 1:46:06
  Speaker 10: Okay.
• 1:46:07
  Speaker 3: Why don't you see if you can make that happen? But, like,
• 1:46:09
  Speaker 3: it would be about.
• 1:46:10
  Speaker 2: Trying to get rid of them? It would be.
• 1:46:11
  Speaker 3: Probably.
• 1:46:14
  Speaker 5: Scouting other teams that are on the Patriots schedule.
• 1:46:19
  Speaker 2: I'm trying to think of an example.
• 1:46:21
  Speaker 5: I think I've watched maybe if 10 seconds is a
• 1:46:25
  Speaker 5: lot of the Arizona Cardinals.
• 1:46:27
  Speaker 2: If they're not on the schedule. And you probably won't
• 1:46:29
  Speaker 2: play them in the Super Bowl.
• 1:46:31
  Speaker 4: And they stink. I would share my disdain for the
• 1:46:34
  Speaker 4: Arizona Cardinals.
• 1:46:35
  Speaker 2: Unless it's a team.
• 1:46:37
  Speaker 5: That plays in primetime, like a Thursday night game or
• 1:46:39
  Speaker 5: something like that. I just haven't watched.
• 1:46:41
  Speaker 2: Any of them.
• 1:46:42
  Speaker 3: So the Dolphins, division rival.
• 1:46:45
  Speaker 4: And I haven't given one ounce of thought to them
• 1:46:47
  Speaker 4: because they stink. I mean, by design, they stink.
• 1:46:51
  Speaker 5: I mean, I watched a little bit of the Browns
• 1:46:53
  Speaker 5: because they were in primetime last week, right? That was
• 1:46:55
  Speaker 5: the first time I'd watched the Browns all year. Teams
• 1:46:58
  Speaker 5: like that are just not– I don't care.
• 1:47:00
  Speaker 7: I do make an effort to watch some other highlights
• 1:47:02
  Speaker 7: more so because I'm terrible at the picks and I
• 1:47:04
  Speaker 7: don't want to be that terrible.
• 1:47:05
  Speaker 3: But I do think I– I do my job and I.
• 1:47:07
  Speaker 7: Watch the NFL through a Patriots lens.
• 1:47:09
  Speaker 3: Like, that colors everything I do is through the Patriots lens.
• 1:47:13
  Speaker 3: I believe that that's how you should look at it.
• 1:47:14
  Speaker 4: Yeah. That's what I'm saying. Like, I watch the NFL
• 1:47:18
  Speaker 4: and the AFC teams in particular in relation to the Patriots. Like,
• 1:47:22
  Speaker 4: I keep track of what Denver's doing, what Kansas City's doing,
• 1:47:26
  Speaker 4: what Baltimore's doing, what Houston and Jacksonville are doing. Now,
• 1:47:30
  Speaker 4: Houston's 0-4, but I still respect the talent.
• 1:47:34
  Speaker 10: And I.
• 1:47:35
  Speaker 4: I think they're probably done, but I mean, are you
• 1:47:39
  Speaker 4: going to be stunned if they end up going like 10-7?
• 1:47:42
  Speaker 3: Not stunned, but I'd be pretty impressed.
• 1:47:46
  Speaker 4: I wouldn't be stunned if they go 10-7.
• 1:47:48
  Speaker 2: I'll give you a little example. So we were talking
• 1:47:50
  Speaker 2: about the Raiders-Chiefs game earlier.
• 1:47:53
  Speaker 5: So I was watching the tape of that, and I
• 1:47:55
  Speaker 5: will take mental notes of the Chiefs side of things
• 1:47:58
  Speaker 5: when I'm watching stuff like that.
• 1:48:00
  Speaker 2: But then all of a sudden the score was 30-19.
• 1:48:04
  Speaker 2: I was like, what the heck happened? They fumbled the kickoff. Right.
• 1:48:07
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:48:07
  Speaker 2: So, like, when you're watching the film, like, that's not
• 1:48:10
  Speaker 2: on the film.
• 1:48:11
  Speaker 5: So, like, I had to go and, like, look and
• 1:48:13
  Speaker 5: be like, wait, how did the score change here? So, like,
• 1:48:16
  Speaker 5: those types of things sometimes, like, the, like, they.
• 1:48:19
  Speaker 4: Don't have special teams plays on the stuff that you watch.
• 1:48:21
  Speaker 5: No, You can get the special teams copy, but I mean,
• 1:48:25
  Speaker 5: let's be honest. Unless there's a big return or something
• 1:48:28
  Speaker 5: like that, you're not really.
• 1:48:29
  Speaker 3: But I always thought it was just the game.
• 1:48:31
  Speaker 5: No, offense, defense, special teams are broken up into three
• 1:48:34
  Speaker 5: different files, three different sets of films.
• 1:48:37
  Speaker 4: I mean, that's exactly what I would do if I
• 1:48:39
  Speaker 4: was doing what you do. With a game like that,
• 1:48:42
  Speaker 4: I'm watching the Raiders because that's the opponent, but I'm also...
• 1:48:45
  Speaker 4: more closely watching Kansas City because they're a future opponent
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  Speaker 4: and they're 4-0.
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  Speaker 2: Are they good or are they a fraud?
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  Speaker 5: You sometimes lose how the game unfolded, like the temperature
• 1:48:57
  Speaker 5: of the game and the ups and downs and the
• 1:49:00
  Speaker 5: ebbs and flows of the game when you're just watching
• 1:49:03
  Speaker 5: it to watch it from an X's and O's standpoint,
• 1:49:06
  Speaker 5: which is why a lot of the coaches watch the
• 1:49:08
  Speaker 5: TV copy and they watch the TV broadcast.
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  Speaker 4: Because I think that matters.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, to get more of a feel of.
• 1:49:15
  Speaker 3: The flow, yeah.
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  Speaker 2: I don't need to prepare like that, so I don't
• 1:49:18
  Speaker 2: watch both of them.
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  Speaker 7: Well, that's like for me when I do do film
• 1:49:21
  Speaker 7: grinding and I just go through the offensive plays and
• 1:49:24
  Speaker 7: then the game gets all come bobbled in my head.
• 1:49:26
  Speaker 7: And I'm like, oh God, what happened when? I can't
• 1:49:28
  Speaker 7: keep track of everything.
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  Speaker 5: Because it's good to see the sequencing of how the
• 1:49:32
  Speaker 5: plays build, but it's not good if you're trying to
• 1:49:35
  Speaker 5: keep track of how did this game go.
• 1:49:37
  Speaker 4: But game flow is important.
• 1:49:40
  Speaker 3: So you could look at the.
• 1:49:43
  Speaker 4: the situation like Evan and I sort of talked about
• 1:49:45
  Speaker 4: it in the first 10 minutes of the show today.
• 1:49:47
  Speaker 4: Like you could easily look at that game last week
• 1:49:49
  Speaker 4: and say, well, I was kind of a deceptive 30
• 1:49:52
  Speaker 4: to 27 game or whatever.
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  Speaker 3: Was that the final score? Yes.
• 1:49:54
  Speaker 4: That's always deceptive, but it really wasn't like the Raiders
• 1:49:58
  Speaker 4: probably deserve better. If you actually watch the game and
• 1:50:02
  Speaker 4: not just the plays, because they kicked a field goal
• 1:50:05
  Speaker 4: in the third quarter that would have put them up
• 1:50:06
  Speaker 4: six and The Chiefs committed a penalty. The Raiders decided
• 1:50:10
  Speaker 4: to take the points off the board and go for
• 1:50:11
  Speaker 4: it on fourth and two, and they failed. Then, as
• 1:50:15
  Speaker 4: Evan already pointed out, at the end of the game,
• 1:50:17
  Speaker 4: Kenneth Walker rushes for a touchdown to put the Chiefs ahead,
• 1:50:20
  Speaker 4: and then the Raiders fumble the ensuing kickoff. They would
• 1:50:24
  Speaker 4: have had plenty of time to go down and retake
• 1:50:26
  Speaker 4: the lead, which they were moving the ball throughout the
• 1:50:28
  Speaker 4: second half. But that allows Kenneth Walker to score two
• 1:50:32
  Speaker 4: touchdowns in the span of 30 seconds, and all of.
• 1:50:35
  Speaker 3: A sudden it's 30-19.
• 1:50:37
  Speaker 4: And then the Raiders, to their credit, went right down
• 1:50:39
  Speaker 4: the field and scored a touchdown and were able to
• 1:50:42
  Speaker 4: stop Kansas City in plenty of time to get the
• 1:50:44
  Speaker 4: ball back down three.
• 1:50:46
  Speaker 2: And that's why Paul knows how to pick, because he
• 1:50:47
  Speaker 2: can remember every play of every game.
• 1:50:49
  Speaker 4: That's beyond me.
• 1:50:52
  Speaker 3: Thank you, Fred. That makes me feel better.
• 1:50:54
  Speaker 4: That whole segment was on Red Zone when I got home.
• 1:50:57
  Speaker 4: I watched like the last four minutes of that game.
• 1:51:00
  Speaker 2: I watched.
• 1:51:00
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:51:00
  Speaker 3: But that's like usually you don't get a chance to
• 1:51:02
  Speaker 3: do that.
• 1:51:03
  Speaker 2: That's why like that's the two different brains.
• 1:51:06
  Speaker 6: Right.
• 1:51:06
  Speaker 2: Like that.
• 1:51:06
  Speaker 4: Well, I am a little different when it comes to that.
• 1:51:08
  Speaker 4: You can make fun of me.
• 1:51:10
  Speaker 2: But Paul's got like he's like great at that kind
• 1:51:13
  Speaker 2: of stuff. You know, like in the ebb and flow
• 1:51:16
  Speaker 2: of the game. Right. And I'm I'm in I'm in
• 1:51:19
  Speaker 2: the forest. I want you to clear because we have
• 1:51:21
  Speaker 2: people that I think are misinterpreting. You, one person thinks
• 1:51:25
  Speaker 2: that you're pretending you don't like football and the other
• 1:51:28
  Speaker 2: person is saying that you don't like football. No, that's
• 1:51:31
  Speaker 2: not it at all. I just watch the game.
• 1:51:33
  Speaker 5: Like I've just, I, it's going to sound pretentious, but
• 1:51:36
  Speaker 5: I watched the game a little from a different like
• 1:51:38
  Speaker 5: point of view.
• 1:51:39
  Speaker 10: Right.
• 1:51:39
  Speaker 3: He doesn't, he doesn't watch the ball. Yeah.
• 1:51:41
  Speaker 5: Like I, I'm watching the game from like, what's the
• 1:51:44
  Speaker 5: schematics of the game and like, what are they, what
• 1:51:47
  Speaker 5: are they doing?
• 1:51:48
  Speaker 2: Yeah. When you eat your food, are you thinking, how
• 1:51:51
  Speaker 2: is this food made? No, I only do this with football. Okay.
• 1:51:55
  Speaker 2: But you guys understand what I'm saying. Like, it's not
• 1:51:58
  Speaker 2: that I.
• 1:51:58
  Speaker 4: I never got the impression that you don't like football.
• 1:52:00
  Speaker 2: No, I have obsessed with it, but obsessed with it
• 1:52:03
  Speaker 2: in a very different way than some other people.
• 1:52:05
  Speaker 7: Well, in like a micro sense of looking at one
• 1:52:07
  Speaker 7: team and through the lens of that, what the other
• 1:52:10
  Speaker 7: team's schemes are. You know, I think it'd be really
• 1:52:12
  Speaker 7: hard to do what you do the way you do it,
• 1:52:14
  Speaker 7: trying to cover all 16 games and break down all 16.
• 1:52:17
  Speaker 3: I mean, maybe Stretch can do that.
• 1:52:18
  Speaker 2: Now, if you had a lawn... You wouldn't be excited
• 1:52:24
  Speaker 2: about mowing it and making it look nice. You'd be
• 1:52:26
  Speaker 2: excited about how does it grow and what are the
• 1:52:28
  Speaker 2: different fertilizers I should use.
• 1:52:30
  Speaker 3: It's just football, Fred.
• 1:52:31
  Speaker 2: It's just football. Don't overthink it. So you have this
• 1:52:35
  Speaker 2: type of point of view only for football, not in
• 1:52:39
  Speaker 2: other things than that.
• 1:52:39
  Speaker 5: Yeah, like the way that people want me to be
• 1:52:41
  Speaker 5: about football in the emails is how I am about
• 1:52:43
  Speaker 5: the Celtics. Like, that's, like, my, like, fandom and, like,
• 1:52:48
  Speaker 5: all that stuff comes out with the Celtics.
• 1:52:50
  Speaker 2: Okay. What about sex? How do you look at sex?
• 1:52:53
  Speaker 2: No comment. The analytic side of it is football. Football only.
• 1:52:59
  Speaker 10: Okay.
• 1:52:59
  Speaker 3: Send an extra blitzers to the backside, you know.
• 1:53:02
  Speaker 1: Oh.
• 1:53:02
  Speaker 2: Wow. Where did we go there for?
• 1:53:09
  Speaker 3: He swore earlier in the show.
• 1:53:10
  Speaker 2: I know, I know.
• 1:53:11
  Speaker 3: That was another blue comment. I always work in blue. Paul,
• 1:53:14
  Speaker 3: I went through Houston. I can get him to nine wins,
• 1:53:16
  Speaker 3: no problem. No problem at all.
• 1:53:19
  Speaker 4: So you can get him to nine wins with no problem.
• 1:53:21
  Speaker 4: So in other words, you wouldn't be surprised if they
• 1:53:23
  Speaker 4: went 10-7?
• 1:53:23
  Speaker 3: No, I wouldn't. Once I reviewed, I mean, you got
• 1:53:25
  Speaker 3: two against the Titans. You got the Giants. I know
• 1:53:28
  Speaker 3: they're okay. Chargers.
• 1:53:29
  Speaker 9: Colts.
• 1:53:30
  Speaker 3: A couple with the Colts. Steelers. Who knows where they're
• 1:53:32
  Speaker 3: going to be.
• 1:53:33
  Speaker 2: Eagles.
• 1:53:35
  Speaker 3: Tough game. Packers, yeah.
• 1:53:37
  Speaker 4: They're probably done. They're probably done. 0-4 is, you know,
• 1:53:40
  Speaker 4: there's a reason why only one team ever. Now, I
• 1:53:42
  Speaker 4: also think that's deceiving because there's an extra playoff team now,
• 1:53:45
  Speaker 4: and there's an extra game. You play 17 games, and
• 1:53:47
  Speaker 4: there's seven teams that make the playoffs.
• 1:53:49
  Speaker 2: Let's rifle through our calls. We're getting to the end
• 1:53:52
  Speaker 2: of the show, but I want to get people a chance.
• 1:53:54
  Speaker 2: Carter's in Denver. What's up, Carter?
• 1:53:58
  Speaker 3: Carter.
• 1:54:00
  Speaker 2: Carter. All right.
• 1:54:01
  Speaker 5: Carter.
• 1:54:02
  Speaker 2: He's high in Denver.
• 1:54:04
  Speaker 3: Um.
• 1:54:05
  Speaker 2: Let's go to Kirk in Detroit, or Eric in Detroit. Sorry.
• 1:54:09
  Speaker 3: I was going to say Kirk.
• 1:54:12
  Speaker 2: Eric. Eric. Eric in Detroit.
• 1:54:14
  Speaker 3: Wow.
• 1:54:14
  Speaker 2: I think he was thinking of Eric. I think these
• 1:54:16
  Speaker 2: people felt we were never going to stop talking, which
• 1:54:18
  Speaker 2: I don't blame them. It's kind of what we do.
• 1:54:22
  Speaker 2: Herbert in Dallas.
• 1:54:24
  Speaker 3: Herbert.
• 1:54:27
  Speaker 2: All gone.
• 1:54:28
  Speaker 3: I'm going to blame you.
• 1:54:28
  Speaker 2: All gone. Yeah, I think they knew we were babbling. Okay.
• 1:54:31
  Speaker 3: Paul, maybe an opportunity for you, pro football talk.
• 1:54:34
  Speaker 7: Reporting that UNC is hiring a search firm to find
• 1:54:36
  Speaker 7: a new GM to work with with Bill down in
• 1:54:38
  Speaker 7: North Carolina.
• 1:54:39
  Speaker 3: I think that would be a seamless fit. That could
• 1:54:41
  Speaker 3: be you. What do you think? You come in. He
• 1:54:42
  Speaker 3: comes in and says, this is it.
• 1:54:44
  Speaker 2: This is the end.
• 1:54:45
  Speaker 3: What do you think of this guy? I go, I
• 1:54:46
  Speaker 3: don't know. You invented football. Why don't you tell me?
• 1:54:49
  Speaker 2: This is the end. I'll see myself out. A, I'm
• 1:54:52
  Speaker 2: Bill Belichick. I picked my GM, which isn't happening. And B,
• 1:54:57
  Speaker 2: they're picking a GM to fire him.
• 1:55:00
  Speaker 3: Search firm. Yeah. This is going to be the schools guy.
• 1:55:03
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Maybe, yeah. This is the beginning of the end.
• 1:55:08
  Speaker 2: Or the end of the end. I don't know.
• 1:55:10
  Speaker 3: How are they doing this year?
• 1:55:12
  Speaker 2: Listen, they gave Notre Dame a game. You've got to
• 1:55:15
  Speaker 2: give them credit.
• 1:55:15
  Speaker 3: Not really.
• 1:55:16
  Speaker 2: What?
• 1:55:17
  Speaker 3: Not really. No?
• 1:55:18
  Speaker 4: The game was never in doubt. They gave Clemson a game.
• 1:55:22
  Speaker 3: I'll give you that.
• 1:55:22
  Speaker 2: They gave Clemson the game, but Notre Dame pulled away
• 1:55:25
  Speaker 2: at the end, but they were there.
• 1:55:27
  Speaker 3: They turned the kick for a touchdown and made it
• 1:55:29
  Speaker 3: look closer than it was. Okay.
• 1:55:31
  Speaker 2: All right. See, he knows more. Yeah, I didn't really go.
• 1:55:34
  Speaker 2: I was just following it. I was like, well, they're
• 1:55:36
  Speaker 2: giving him a game.
• 1:55:37
  Speaker 4: And they also, I believe, scored the last touchdown down.
• 1:55:39
  Speaker 4: I think they were down 37 to 20. Like, the
• 1:55:42
  Speaker 4: game wasn't really.
• 1:55:43
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 1:55:44
  Speaker 2: It's interesting.
• 1:55:44
  Speaker 5: They're doing some dings defensively, North Carolina.
• 1:55:47
  Speaker 3: They're better defensively than they were last year.
• 1:55:48
  Speaker 5: Yeah, and I think that that's interesting because, like, I
• 1:55:51
  Speaker 5: don't think he's totally lost his fastball when it comes
• 1:55:53
  Speaker 5: to scheming defense.
• 1:55:54
  Speaker 2: It's just, like, the whole rest of it that's kind of.
• 1:55:57
  Speaker 3: It's been kind of quiet, though. I mean, other than.
• 1:56:00
  Speaker 3: Did you say it's been kind of quiet? North Carolina?
• 1:56:04
  Speaker 4: There's not a day that goes by that I don't
• 1:56:07
  Speaker 4: see a breaking story on the athletic or, you know,
• 1:56:12
  Speaker 4: Dan Wetzel, one of these guys with an expose on
• 1:56:14
  Speaker 4: all the.
• 1:56:14
  Speaker 2: Problems at North Carolina. I mean, you know.
• 1:56:17
  Speaker 4: Like, I still think it's 50-50. He makes it through
• 1:56:19
  Speaker 4: the season.
• 1:56:20
  Speaker 3: I just haven't heard from Jordan in a while.
• 1:56:22
  Speaker 2: That one I will admit. I will agree that she
• 1:56:24
  Speaker 2: has faded a little bit. All right. It's been a
• 1:56:29
  Speaker 2: good show.
• 1:56:30
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:56:31
  Speaker 2: It's been a good show. I think we learned a.
• 1:56:32
  Speaker 3: Lot about Evan.
• 1:56:34
  Speaker 2: Too much.
• 1:56:38
  Speaker 3: You good?
• 1:56:39
  Speaker 11: Yeah.
• 1:56:40
  Speaker 3: You still feeling good about this Raiders game? We'll see tomorrow.
• 1:56:44
  Speaker 3: You're not going to let that out of the bag
• 1:56:45
  Speaker 3: until tomorrow?
• 1:56:45
  Speaker 2: We're going to talk about it tomorrow. I said I
• 1:56:46
  Speaker 2: need a couple more drives back and forth to hash
• 1:56:49
  Speaker 2: things out.
• 1:56:53
  Speaker 4: I don't know what I think about the 26 Patriots yet,
• 1:56:57
  Speaker 4: but I feel really good about.
• 1:56:59
  Speaker 3: The 26 Patriots against the 26 Raiders.
• 1:57:01
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, like Rabel, I am a little concerned
• 1:57:03
  Speaker 2: about depth. I want to see how the injury report
• 1:57:05
  Speaker 2: comes out tomorrow. Is Gonzalez back on the field?
• 1:57:10
  Speaker 5: They're gaining certain guys, but then they're losing. I think
• 1:57:14
  Speaker 5: there's a chance that Gonzalez is back, but now Matt Collins,
• 1:57:17
  Speaker 5: Ramondre Stevenson, yeah, whack-a-mole.
• 1:57:20
  Speaker 2: Exactly. We'll see. All right. I think that's it.
• 1:57:26
  Speaker 3: Yeah, we've got to run to Vrabel. Yeah, we'll go
• 1:57:28
  Speaker 3: see what Mike has to say.
• 1:57:29
  Speaker 2: We'll see you tomorrow at 11.
• 1:57:33
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• 1:57:35
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• 1:57:45
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