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MNF Breakdown, Brewers World Series Run, Cowboys with Jane Slater · Not So Fast

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  Speaker 1: Welcome to Not So Fast with Andrew Perloff and Paul Pabst,
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  Speaker 1: where two longtime friends challenge each other on the biggest
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  Speaker 1: sports stories of the day.
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  Speaker 2: Here's Andrew Perloff and Paul Pabst.
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  Speaker 1: Not so fast, my friends.
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  Speaker 2: Welcome to Not So Fast. I'm Andrew Perloff. He's Paul Pabst.
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  Speaker 2: Of course, I'm an Eagles fan, so it's a dark day, Paul.
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  Speaker 2: It's a dark day for you. It's a great day
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  Speaker 2: for Brewers fans. This is like Christmas Eve if you're
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  Speaker 2: a Milwaukee Brewers fan. You're hours away from a game where.
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  Speaker 3: You can clinch. Don't say it's over. Don't say it's over,
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  Speaker 3: but enjoy your day.
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  Speaker 4: Absolutely. World Series.
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  Speaker 2: We'll talk about baseball and a lot more, but let's
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  Speaker 2: start with the Cowboys. 38-21 win over the Philadelphia Eagles. Now, Paul,
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  Speaker 2: we know the Eagles are injury riddled. So does this
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  Speaker 2: mean anything for Dallas?
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  Speaker 5: But see, the average fan doesn't know the depth of
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  Speaker 5: the injuries of the Eagles. Because Saquon was out there. No,
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  Speaker 5: I think the average fan. What happens on these Monday
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  Speaker 5: night games, these Sunday night games, these Thursday night games,
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  Speaker 5: When you get a nice, clean win like this, clean win,
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  Speaker 5: everyone thinks everything is fine with your football team. So today,
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  Speaker 5: I'm sure in Dallas, people are like, this is great.
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  Speaker 5: We're running the ball. We're passing the ball. CD, Pickens,
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  Speaker 5: everybody wins.
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  Speaker 2: But I think also when you lost to a rookie
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  Speaker 2: quarterback in Tampa Bay on primetime last week, you think
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  Speaker 2: you could lose to anyone. So I think the Cowboys
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  Speaker 2: are pretty fired up, even though they only beat Tanner McKee.
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  Speaker 4: Okay.
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  Speaker 5: And it started the second half. I think they're down.
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  Speaker 5: Eagles are down seven points.
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  Speaker 3: They go on a.
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  Speaker 5: 13-play drive, eight minutes lead. It may have been more
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  Speaker 5: than 13 plays. They score a touchdown.
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  Speaker 3: They take the lead.
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  Speaker 5: My mind starts going to, if the Eagles somehow steal
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  Speaker 5: this game, it'd be chaos today. You can't be that
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  Speaker 5: close to chaos or everything is fine.
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  Speaker 2: I didn't see the game that way. I could tell
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  Speaker 2: that they could not stop the Cowboys at all. Not
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  Speaker 2: only could they not stop them, their odds of them
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  Speaker 2: getting an interception or a sack or anything meaningful were
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  Speaker 2: down near zero. You know they have a player named
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  Speaker 2: Quinion Mitchell. Q, nickname.
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  Speaker 6: Yes.
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  Speaker 2: I think Q last night stood for quit, Paul. The
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  Speaker 2: Eagles defense absolutely quit on this.
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  Speaker 3: Was that a tackle? It looked like he was trying
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  Speaker 3: to give him a hug.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, and Javante Williams, the running back for Dallas, is okay,
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  Speaker 2: maybe good. He looked like Emmitt Smith last time.
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  Speaker 3: That tackle wouldn't have been an HR violation. He barely
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  Speaker 3: made contact.
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  Speaker 4: The Eagles defense did not show up.
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  Speaker 2: Ironically, as you mentioned, the offense with a backup quarterback
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  Speaker 2: did show up, but the Eagles were not that injured
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  Speaker 2: on defense, and that was the unit that was really disappointing.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, and the other thing is the Dallas defense has
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  Speaker 5: been such maligned all year that the Eagles made them
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  Speaker 5: look good.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, listen, if the Eagles with Saquon Barkley
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  Speaker 2: limping through can make them look bad, there is a
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  Speaker 2: real problem with Dallas' defense.
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  Speaker 5: Okay, but everyone thinks that the Cowboys have discovered the
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  Speaker 5: running game. They've always had Javante Williams. He's been there
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  Speaker 5: a couple years now.
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  Speaker 4: They're one of the worst running teams in the league
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  Speaker 4: coming into this week.
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  Speaker 5: They haven't had a 100-yard rusher until last night against
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  Speaker 5: a depleted team. it actually points out the fact that
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  Speaker 5: they don't run the ball enough historically, not since the
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  Speaker 5: Zeke Elliott days.
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  Speaker 2: Well, I don't know if that's actually the case. They
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  Speaker 2: just don't run the ball well.
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  Speaker 3: Fair point.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, so far this season, they've tried to run
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  Speaker 2: the ball, but it hasn't gone anywhere. And, you know,
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  Speaker 2: the games, when their defense is bad, they don't have
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  Speaker 2: the time to run the ball.
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  Speaker 4: They're always trailing, and they have to do something.
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  Speaker 5: Okay, we're going to get to the Eagles side of
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  Speaker 5: this in a second, but staying with Dallas, Dallas has
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  Speaker 5: a friendly schedule the next four weeks. They started not
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  Speaker 5: too good. Now they can pick up wins, Arizona, Tennessee.
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  Speaker 5: They do have the Niners coming up, but then they
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  Speaker 5: play the Eagles in four weeks. They could pile up
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  Speaker 5: three or four wins in the next month.
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  Speaker 4: Oh, absolutely.
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  Speaker 2: And I am totally down with them being the favorite
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  Speaker 2: in the NFC East. I mean, this is ridiculous.
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  Speaker 4: The New York Giants have J.J. McCarthy as quarterback.
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  Speaker 2: Wait until coordinators get three or four games of tape
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  Speaker 2: on him. The Cowboys have an elite quarterback, two of
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  Speaker 2: the best receivers in the NFL. They added Joey Porter Jr.
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  Speaker 4: On defense.
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  Speaker 2: They have so many names on defense now. It just
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  Speaker 2: doesn't make sense that they're not going to win this division.
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  Speaker 5: Do you think some people in the media, maybe the fans,
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  Speaker 5: are a little in love with the New York Giants
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  Speaker 5: story and the rebirth of McCarthy and don't realize it
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  Speaker 5: could be a temp story?
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  Speaker 7: No.
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  Speaker 4: No, they're good. I mean, yesterday I said they're for real.
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  Speaker 2: They have a formula of run the ball and play defense.
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  Speaker 4: Their defense is good.
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  Speaker 2: But Dallas has no excuse not to win it this year.
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  Speaker 2: Any year that they've ever had an easier path, I
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  Speaker 2: can't think of it.
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  Speaker 5: The commanders don't seem threatening. Two years ago, the commanders
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  Speaker 5: were awesome.
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  Speaker 2: No, the commanders are probably out. The Eagles are too injured.
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  Speaker 2: The Giants and Cowboys are on a collision course. And
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  Speaker 2: are you surprised, Paul, that the Cowboys are favored by Vegas?
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  Speaker 5: No, because I see what you're saying. People fall for
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  Speaker 5: the J.J. McCarthy thing right now, and it's understandable. But
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  Speaker 5: the rest of the team around him, and I think people,
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  Speaker 5: Brian Schottenheimer hasn't earned much in this league.
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  Speaker 4: That's true.
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  Speaker 3: John Harbaugh has.
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  Speaker 5: So if I was splitting hairs, I may pick the coach,
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  Speaker 5: John Harbaugh, not the team, but the.
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  Speaker 3: Coach over the other coach.
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  Speaker 4: Can't argue with you on that.
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  Speaker 3: Right, that's what I'm saying.
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  Speaker 5: I think that while it seems like a little bit
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  Speaker 5: of smoke and mirrors with New York, McCarthy just has
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  Speaker 5: to play decent football, and he's playing better than decent football.
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  Speaker 2: Well, I mean, listen, they beat Tennessee 12-7 because Cam
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  Speaker 2: Ward threw an interception on the last play of the game.
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  Speaker 2: It's not like they've been world beaters. The win at
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  Speaker 2: Houston was incredibly impressive.
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  Speaker 4: But even that, we don't know. Houston's 2-5, so we
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  Speaker 4: don't know what that means.
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  Speaker 3: All right, let's get to the ego side of this.
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  Speaker 3: This season seems like a lost season. Hertz is out.
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  Speaker 3: There's still investigation going into his treatment.
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  Speaker 5: I saw Adam Schefter talk about that last night. I
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  Speaker 5: don't think they're going to have a fire sale because
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  Speaker 5: some of the people they would sell, well.
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  Speaker 3: They're injured.
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  Speaker 5: Like, Saquon Barkley, what, are you going to add a
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  Speaker 5: hamstring to be named later to the trade? He's not
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  Speaker 5: ready to play for a serious team. Here's the guy,
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  Speaker 5: Saquon last night. I think he played nine plays and
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  Speaker 5: touched the ball all nine plays. He had to run
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  Speaker 5: out of bounds and go right to the blue 10.
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  Speaker 2: I think he touched a 9 out of 11 snap
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  Speaker 2: or something. So, last night, if they were going to
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  Speaker 2: trade him, it was supposed to be a showcase game
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  Speaker 2: for him. Because you're going against a bad run defense.
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  Speaker 3: In a short week.
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  Speaker 4: And he did look amazing.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, he had a 40-yard gain on his second carry.
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  Speaker 4: So, Saquon would be a natural trade.
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  Speaker 2: And here's the thing. You gave him three weeks to
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  Speaker 2: heal that hamstring. If you're the Minnesota Vikings and you're
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  Speaker 2: in contention, if you're a team that is one running
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  Speaker 2: back away, I think you have to consider a second
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  Speaker 2: round pick for Saquon Barkley.
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  Speaker 3: A second?
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  Speaker 4: I am having faith in that hamstring.
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  Speaker 5: Okay, I'm going to not so fast you here because
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  Speaker 5: I think the general manager, Howie Roseman, and the people
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  Speaker 5: who run the Eagles know that Saquon is too important
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  Speaker 5: to the fans to jettison.
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  Speaker 2: No.
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  Speaker 1: Really?
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  Speaker 4: Howie Roseman? You think he cares about that?
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  Speaker 5: No, but I think he may care what the fans
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  Speaker 5: think of him. And if you're going to be a
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  Speaker 5: competitive team next season, a healthy Saquon, he's still at
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  Speaker 5: the back end of his prime. I don't think I
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  Speaker 5: would move on for a second.
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  Speaker 2: I don't think, as a Philadelphian, I don't think that
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  Speaker 2: there are fan favorites, and he is a fan favorite,
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  Speaker 2: but I think every fan... They would understand it? They're
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  Speaker 2: very sophisticated. They know they got the best out of him.
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  Speaker 5: Okay, let's go with the guy who actually betrayed him.
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  Speaker 5: I'm calling my shot here. Wide receiver Hollywood Brown. Nice player,
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  Speaker 5: not a great player, but if you're looking for an
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  Speaker 5: extra receiver, which at least a couple teams are, he
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  Speaker 5: played for the Chiefs before. Hollywood Brown has a one-year contract.
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  Speaker 5: I think he's making $ 5 million. They could lose the
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  Speaker 5: back half of that, trade him easily to a team
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  Speaker 5: that's a contender.
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  Speaker 4: I think you're seeing this whole thing wrong. This is
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  Speaker 4: a fire sale.
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  Speaker 2: I think Harry Roseman, yeah, maybe they'll do a seventh-round
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  Speaker 2: pick or a sixth-seventh-round pick swapper. Hollywood Brown. But I
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  Speaker 2: think that they will take calls on Saquon. They will
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  Speaker 2: take calls on Jordan Davis that started.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, understandable.
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  Speaker 2: They'll definitely take calls on Nolan Smith, the pass rusher,
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  Speaker 2: who is also hurt.
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  Speaker 4: And they miss him desperately. Rick Willen, I think they
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  Speaker 4: would trade him tomorrow.
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  Speaker 2: But I think he killed his trade value last night
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  Speaker 2: because he got torched. I would go down the list.
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  Speaker 2: I think there are only four untouchable players on the
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  Speaker 2: whole team.
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  Speaker 3: And you said the other day, Jalen Hurts has one
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  Speaker 3: more year on his contract. He's injured.
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  Speaker 5: His future is murky at best. They are positioning themselves
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  Speaker 5: for not just the 27 draft, the 28 draft to
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  Speaker 5: remodel this franchise.
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  Speaker 3: You talked about that.
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  Speaker 2: Now, listen, they're number six right now in the draft.
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  Speaker 2: So they're on a collision course with a quarterback. They
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  Speaker 2: could easily do the same situation. They had Carson Wentz.
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  Speaker 2: They signed him. And then they drafted Jalen Hurts in
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  Speaker 2: the second round. They might have no choice. They think
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  Speaker 2: we're not going to be a top five pick that often,
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  Speaker 2: and they might have to jump on one now.
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  Speaker 3: And we can talk about it later.
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  Speaker 5: Like Dante Moore, where does his draft status, does he
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  Speaker 5: drop a little bit? These guys might be available at
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  Speaker 5: six who wouldn't be available last year at six.
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  Speaker 4: Dante Moore, third round. Dante Moore, no, no, no.
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  Speaker 2: They might have a mess maker or Mensa, and they
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  Speaker 2: might have to make a hard decision.
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  Speaker 4: I don't think Arch Manning. I can't see Arch Manning.
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  Speaker 4: Can you imagine?
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  Speaker 3: I cannot picture him in a Philadelphia uniform.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, one year of a bridge quarterback with Jalen Hurts
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  Speaker 2: with Arch Manning.
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  Speaker 4: ESPN would live at the facility because it would be
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  Speaker 4: so juicy.
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  Speaker 3: Before we get to baseball, helmet stickers last night. I'll
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  Speaker 3: go first.
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  Speaker 5: Quinton Williams, Cowboys defensive tackle. Three tackles for loss. He
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  Speaker 5: had a couple blowups in the red zone. This guy
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  Speaker 5: was fantastic. Never forget him at the draft when he
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  Speaker 5: sneezed and blessed himself.
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  Speaker 3: Really good player. Really doing well. He's really carrying the
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  Speaker 3: Cowboys front line.
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  Speaker 2: Come on. Quinton Williams? Yeah, yesterday he was, but that
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  Speaker 2: front line has done nothing all season long.
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  Speaker 4: They've been terrible.
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  Speaker 3: It's not on him.
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  Speaker 4: So you give him the sticker for, I don't know.
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  Speaker 5: He's the best of a choppy offensive line.
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  Speaker 2: Do you remember the Bucs game? They were running over
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  Speaker 2: that entire line. They were.
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  Speaker 3: You're very salty today.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah. No, listen, I'm coming off an Eagles loss.
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  Speaker 2: Quinn Willey, stick with her last night because he was
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  Speaker 2: awesome last night. I get what you're saying. I just
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  Speaker 2: picked a random lineman, Tyler Smith, because he came.
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  Speaker 4: Back for the Cowboys last night.
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  Speaker 2: Because that offensive line did whatever they wanted against the Eagles.
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  Speaker 4: It was crazy.
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  Speaker 5: For all I know, you made that name up. We
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  Speaker 5: can't even see the front of his jersey. I think
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  Speaker 5: you just made up Tyler Smith.
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  Speaker 2: Tyler, I mean, there's four or five Tylers on that
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  Speaker 2: offensive line. One of them is named Smith. That offensive
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  Speaker 2: line pushed the Eagles around like they weren't even there.
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  Speaker 2: And that is supposed to be a good Eagles front line.
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  Speaker 2: And that's the formula for Dallas, by the way. Their
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  Speaker 2: offensive line is going to win games. Not their defensive line,
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  Speaker 2: their offensive line.
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  Speaker 5: What a special day to get that helmet sticker for
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  Speaker 5: Tyler Smith. All right, let's get to World Series Game 3.
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  Speaker 5: Pretty good game for a few innings. Top of the fifth,
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  Speaker 5: bottom of the fifth.
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  Speaker 2: It's 2-0.
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  Speaker 3: Looks like it's going to be this game. And then
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  Speaker 3: it just broke.
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  Speaker 2: What happened?
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  Speaker 3: Two outs. Brewers are up.
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  Speaker 5: The Yelich replay keeps the inning alive. And then this little...
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  Speaker 5: hit that went up the middle. The Brewers scored eight runs,
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  Speaker 5: seven straight hits. They were circling the bases.
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  Speaker 3: Like it was a race.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, like the old Bugs Bunny cartoon where Bugs Bunny
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  Speaker 2: keeps going around the bases.
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  Speaker 3: I kept looking at the TV and thinking it was
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  Speaker 3: a replay.
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  Speaker 5: No, there's another guy getting a flare to the outfield,
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  Speaker 5: a little seeing-eye single to the outfield.
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  Speaker 3: No home runs. They're up 10-0. They had 10 runs.
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  Speaker 3: The Rays had one hit at one point in that game.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I mentioned quit for the Eagles. I
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  Speaker 2: think baseball works differently. Did the Rays kind of Give
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  Speaker 2: up a little bit? Raise the white flag at a
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  Speaker 2: certain point?
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  Speaker 3: I don't know if they had the choice to give
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  Speaker 3: up or not.
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  Speaker 4: The Brewers just beat them down.
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  Speaker 5: And the Brewers step on the gas. They didn't stop
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  Speaker 5: trying to score runs at the end. They didn't put
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  Speaker 5: the bats on their shoulders. They were still trying to
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  Speaker 5: manufacture runs in the 6th, 7th, and 8th inning.
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  Speaker 3: It was unbelievable. It was really fun to watch.
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  Speaker 2: Now....
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  Speaker 5: Game six, game seven, that's not even in play now
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  Speaker 5: if you're a Brewers fan. You're thinking, win this one tonight.
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  Speaker 5: Don't come home. We don't want to see it at home.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, I don't know. I think there's a debate.
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  Speaker 2: I don't think no one's ever really come back. One
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  Speaker 2: time the Red Sox came back against the Yankees. No
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  Speaker 2: one comes back from 3-0. Are you positive that fans
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  Speaker 2: don't want to come home?
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  Speaker 5: Let's say you were a Brewers fan who had a
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  Speaker 5: ticket for you and your family to game six.
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  Speaker 3: What would you be rooting for tonight?
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  Speaker 4: I gasp because it's game six. If it was game five, Paul,
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  Speaker 4: let's do a hypothetical. I know it's not. Would you
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  Speaker 4: root for them to sweep or would you want them
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  Speaker 4: to lose one?
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  Speaker 5: I've been in this position 2016 Cubs. Would it have
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  Speaker 5: love for the Cubs to win it at home?
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  Speaker 7: Sure.
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  Speaker 3: You don't care at that point. You're so desperate.
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  Speaker 5: It's like when you get off the highway and you're
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  Speaker 5: looking for a restaurant and there's no food anywhere.
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  Speaker 4: It's open.
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  Speaker 3: We're going. You just want to win tonight.
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  Speaker 4: That's a good point because you're right.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, 3-0 is historically unbeatable, but in that case,
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  Speaker 2: I guess you haven't won since when? Ever?
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  Speaker 3: Since ever.
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  Speaker 2: Right around.
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  Speaker 3: I just checked ever since they won.
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  Speaker 2: All right. Coming up next, we have warm takes. I
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  Speaker 2: have a new pick for my Western Conference in the NBA.
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  Speaker 4: All right.
• 11:46
  Speaker 2: And we get into the Dante Moore situation. The Oregon
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  Speaker 2: quarterback will be out for the season, and I'm going
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  Speaker 2: to tell you what it means.
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  Speaker 4: That's next. Not so fast.
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  Speaker 3: If I'm a Brewers fan, I'm sitting there all day
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  Speaker 3: like this today. Just get the game going. Get the
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  Speaker 3: game going. Get the game going.
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  Speaker 4: You think they're really nervous?
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  Speaker 5: Yes, because it's so close. Like Christmas, you're like, the
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  Speaker 5: presents are right there under the tree.
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  Speaker 4: Got to do it at home.
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  Speaker 5: Back on Not So Fast, Taft and Perloff, NBC Sports.
• 12:11
  Speaker 5: It's a midday pick-me-up, Perl. You've had three cups of coffee.
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  Speaker 5: This is for the watchers.
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  Speaker 4: Giannis.
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  Speaker 1: Oh!
• 12:17
  Speaker 5: In your face with some of these. And then Cooper
• 12:20
  Speaker 5: Flagg took over later in the game. He has a
• 12:22
  Speaker 5: little tip block here.
• 12:25
  Speaker 4: Take it to the hole.
• 12:26
  Speaker 3: A little lefty.
• 12:27
  Speaker 2: Whoop, whoop. There you go.
• 12:28
  Speaker 3: Cooper Flagg closing it out with a t-shirt underneath.
• 12:31
  Speaker 2: We haven't really talked a lot about Cooper Flagg, but
• 12:33
  Speaker 2: that'd be good for the NBA.
• 12:35
  Speaker 3: He got injured week one.
• 12:36
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I thought that was going to be more serious.
• 12:38
  Speaker 2: He could be a good thing for the NBA, who
• 12:40
  Speaker 2: always needs new stars.
• 12:41
  Speaker 3: Yeah, Giannis, he made that guy.
• 12:44
  Speaker 2: Do you get the sense that Giannis... Sort of went
• 12:46
  Speaker 2: to the wrong team. I just don't see the Heat
• 12:49
  Speaker 2: in the mix.
• 12:49
  Speaker 3: We may have to tease this topic. I love this
• 12:52
  Speaker 3: for him.
• 12:52
  Speaker 5: It may be not perfect this year, but the Heat
• 12:54
  Speaker 5: traditionally surround their players and do the right thing.
• 12:56
  Speaker 4: Yeah, but if you look at the odds, no one's
• 12:58
  Speaker 4: talking about the Heat.
• 12:59
  Speaker 3: We may have to warm take this off tomorrow. I'm
• 13:01
  Speaker 3: going to not so fast you.
• 13:02
  Speaker 5: Time for warm takes here, not so fast.
• 13:04
  Speaker 3: I'll go first.
• 13:05
  Speaker 5: How about this last night? If you turned on the
• 13:08
  Speaker 5: World Series game last night, and we're just listening. Let's
• 13:10
  Speaker 5: say you had it on in the background. You're like, oh,
• 13:11
  Speaker 5: the Brewers are playing pretty well. What a great home
• 13:13
  Speaker 5: crowd the Brewers have. They were on the road last night.
• 13:16
  Speaker 5: They were playing in Tampa. But those Brewers fans, man,
• 13:18
  Speaker 5: do they travel. I don't know if it was 50-50,
• 13:22
  Speaker 5: but the noise level was 90% Brewers fans.
• 13:24
  Speaker 3: It was fantastic. But they did the math, the Brewers fans.
• 13:27
  Speaker 5: Getting home tickets to the World Series, one ticket, the
• 13:31
  Speaker 5: get-in price for Game 6 or Game 7 is about $ 2, 300.
• 13:35
  Speaker 5: I can get you in tonight. You could have got
• 13:37
  Speaker 5: in last night for $ 750. You start doing the math
• 13:40
  Speaker 5: if you're a Brewers fan. Round-trip ticket to Tampa, a
• 13:42
  Speaker 5: one-night in a hotel. You're out about $ 1, 500. You're saving $ 1, 000.
• 13:47
  Speaker 3: By going down there.
• 13:48
  Speaker 5: You get the road trip, get a little sunburn, get
• 13:50
  Speaker 5: a little John Candy summer rental sunburn, and go back home.
• 13:53
  Speaker 5: You get to see your team in the World Series.
• 13:55
  Speaker 5: This is the new thing for sports fans these days.
• 13:57
  Speaker 5: I just check prices for Game 4 in Tampa. This
• 14:00
  Speaker 5: could be the series clincher for the Brewers. I can
• 14:03
  Speaker 5: get you in for $ 600. $ 600 to a World Series game.
• 14:06
  Speaker 5: If I'm a Brewers fan, I'm on a flight right now.
• 14:08
  Speaker 5: Walk up, get a ticket. All the Rays fans are selling.
• 14:12
  Speaker 5: They know the season's just about over. If you want
• 14:14
  Speaker 5: Game 6 or Game 7 tickets, it's at $ 2, 300, and
• 14:17
  Speaker 5: it would go up if the Rays somehow did a comeback.
• 14:19
  Speaker 4: Do you have an issue with Rays fans selling tickets here, Paul?
• 14:22
  Speaker 5: Completely have an issue with them. I mean, because you
• 14:25
  Speaker 5: have to trust that your team has a chance to
• 14:27
  Speaker 5: come back. And imagine you sold your ticket for $ 650,
• 14:30
  Speaker 5: and you missed the all-time comeback.
• 14:32
  Speaker 3: The Cubs were down 3-1, right?
• 14:34
  Speaker 5: Did Cubs fans, I don't know if they sold tickets
• 14:36
  Speaker 5: for Game 5, but imagine how you'd feel if you
• 14:39
  Speaker 5: told your friends, Oh, I had game five tickets to
• 14:41
  Speaker 5: the 16 World Series, and I sold it for $ 600.
• 14:43
  Speaker 4: 3-1 is not 3-0.
• 14:45
  Speaker 3: That's true.
• 14:46
  Speaker 4: And also, they just gave up 10 runs. I don't know.
• 14:50
  Speaker 4: I would sell them.
• 14:51
  Speaker 2: I'm just going to tell you, just because the Rays
• 14:52
  Speaker 2: have not showed up, any sign of life in the series.
• 14:55
  Speaker 5: I know Brewers fans want to close at home.
• 14:58
  Speaker 3: It's going to sound like a home game tonight. It
• 15:00
  Speaker 3: will sound like it.
• 15:00
  Speaker 2: The other thing, too, just as a fan, how depressing
• 15:02
  Speaker 2: would it be to watch the Brewers clinch?
• 15:04
  Speaker 4: I don't want to see that.
• 15:05
  Speaker 5: Yeah, but the possibility, the 5% possibility that your team
• 15:10
  Speaker 5: goes on a run and you had a ticket and
• 15:11
  Speaker 5: you put it on StubHub, Vivid Seats, whatever you're doing,
• 15:15
  Speaker 5: I would never want to have that in my head
• 15:16
  Speaker 5: the rest of my life as a sports fan.
• 15:17
  Speaker 2: I think you've got to look at this actual series,
• 15:19
  Speaker 2: and if they're not up by several runs by the
• 15:21
  Speaker 2: fifth inning, then it's lights out because they can't touch
• 15:23
  Speaker 2: the bullpen. Okay, I'm going to go to college football
• 15:27
  Speaker 2: and NFL for my first warm take. So Dante Moore, unfortunately,
• 15:30
  Speaker 2: is out for the season, the Oregon quarterback. There's a
• 15:33
  Speaker 2: narrative out there that Dante Moore cost himself millions because
• 15:36
  Speaker 2: he would have been the number two overall pick in
• 15:38
  Speaker 2: last year's draft to the Jets, but decided to come
• 15:40
  Speaker 2: back to Oregon. Now, this might be true, but the
• 15:43
  Speaker 2: way everyone's writing about it, it's as if it's a fact.
• 15:46
  Speaker 2: And I do not buy that narrative for one second.
• 15:49
  Speaker 2: Because the media always says they know who's going to
• 15:52
  Speaker 2: go one, two, or three. The NFL hadn't even really
• 15:54
  Speaker 2: started to dig into Dante Moore. January 14th, he announces
• 15:57
  Speaker 2: he's going back to Oregon. And this is terrible, by
• 15:59
  Speaker 2: the way, that Such a serious injury. But Dante Moore
• 16:02
  Speaker 2: was probably thought of as a high pick. The NFL
• 16:04
  Speaker 2: had never made their evaluation at all. So he's listed
• 16:08
  Speaker 2: at 6-3. He's probably 6-1. Last year, he would have
• 16:11
  Speaker 2: gone in the draft with 15 starts, Paul. And the
• 16:13
  Speaker 2: rule around the NFL, if you don't get 21 starts,
• 16:16
  Speaker 2: you're not going to be good.
• 16:17
  Speaker 4: I don't think he was going to go number two
• 16:18
  Speaker 4: at all.
• 16:19
  Speaker 5: I see what you're saying here because you know the
• 16:21
  Speaker 5: quarterback rollercoaster of mock drafts. He was really, really hot
• 16:24
  Speaker 5: in December and January.
• 16:25
  Speaker 4: You know who else was?
• 16:26
  Speaker 2: Shador Sanders was number five In January, February, March, and April,
• 16:31
  Speaker 2: he went in the fifth round. I'll give you some
• 16:32
  Speaker 2: more names of guys who were first rounders and then fell.
• 16:35
  Speaker 2: Will Levis was definitely a top ten pick in January.
• 16:38
  Speaker 2: Gino Smith was number three overall up until the day
• 16:41
  Speaker 2: of the draft. Jimmy Clawson was number one overall when
• 16:44
  Speaker 2: in the second round. Aaron Rodgers was considered a strong
• 16:47
  Speaker 2: possibility to be number one.
• 16:48
  Speaker 4: He fell to 24. It goes on and on.
• 16:50
  Speaker 3: I think it's a great take by you.
• 16:51
  Speaker 4: I think it was the media who was saying he's
• 16:53
  Speaker 4: number two. We just don't know.
• 16:55
  Speaker 5: Right, and the other thing is the NIL money he
• 16:56
  Speaker 5: went back to, he used the NFL to renegotiate with Oregon.
• 16:59
  Speaker 4: Absolutely.
• 17:00
  Speaker 5: Whatever he made there was more than he would have
• 17:02
  Speaker 5: made if he just normally stayed there, if he was
• 17:04
  Speaker 5: that hot in the draft. So he got the sure
• 17:06
  Speaker 5: thing money. Maybe he gave up money. Maybe he gave
• 17:09
  Speaker 5: up $ 10 million from the NFL. But he got sure thing,
• 17:11
  Speaker 5: life-changing money for sure.
• 17:13
  Speaker 2: Right. I think we're saying it is very possible he
• 17:15
  Speaker 2: could have been the number two overall pick.
• 17:16
  Speaker 4: But people are acting as if it's a fact, like
• 17:19
  Speaker 4: he was taken by the number two.
• 17:20
  Speaker 3: They're using the math of it.
• 17:21
  Speaker 2: And I got the ultimate name for you because we
• 17:23
  Speaker 2: know him. Remember Matt Barkley? Yeah.
• 17:25
  Speaker 4: He went back. Everyone's like, oh, he's a top 10
• 17:27
  Speaker 4: pick in mock drafts. He went back to USC.
• 17:30
  Speaker 2: And then we found out later the NFL never had
• 17:32
  Speaker 2: him graded as a top 10 pick.
• 17:33
  Speaker 4: He was a fourth or fifth round grade.
• 17:35
  Speaker 5: And the media regurgitates all other mock drafts and they
• 17:38
  Speaker 5: take it as fact.
• 17:39
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and listen, some really smart draft analysts like him,
• 17:42
  Speaker 2: but in the most recent big board for Mel Kuyper,
• 17:45
  Speaker 2: he was the sixth quarterback.
• 17:46
  Speaker 4: That's even before the injury.
• 17:47
  Speaker 2: He's already fallen behind the Drew Messamakers and the very
• 17:50
  Speaker 2: mentors of the world because he's very unproven. He's not
• 17:52
  Speaker 2: played a ton of football, so I think he comes back.
• 17:54
  Speaker 4: Paul, you and I will debate. Does he stay at Oregon?
• 17:57
  Speaker 2: Or does he go into the transfer portal? And it's
• 18:01
  Speaker 2: a bummer that he has this injury because I would
• 18:02
  Speaker 2: want to see him. But just don't act as if
• 18:04
  Speaker 2: he gave away millions because I think he might have
• 18:06
  Speaker 2: known what he was doing.
• 18:07
  Speaker 3: Nice take by you. Possible take of the week candidate.
• 18:09
  Speaker 4: All right, here we go.
• 18:10
  Speaker 3: You may know this by now, but if you don't,
• 18:13
  Speaker 3: you probably heard.
• 18:13
  Speaker 5: Due to scheduling issues with the Atlanta Hawks having to
• 18:16
  Speaker 5: use their own stadium, the WNBA Game 5 Valkyries at
• 18:20
  Speaker 5: the Atlanta Dream will be played at State Farm Arena.
• 18:22
  Speaker 5: That's a good thing, 17,000. It will be played Thursday
• 18:26
  Speaker 5: at 12.30 p.m.
• 18:27
  Speaker 3: Eastern time.
• 18:28
  Speaker 2: What now?
• 18:28
  Speaker 3: On a weekday.
• 18:29
  Speaker 5: Just 12.30 p.m., a little brunch, some mimosas after the game.
• 18:33
  Speaker 3: Four mimosas on each other's head.
• 18:34
  Speaker 5: It's brunch time. This game is basically going into witness protection.
• 18:39
  Speaker 5: You're going to have to find this game. Sure, fans
• 18:42
  Speaker 5: that have tickets can attend. 17,000 fans can attend. But
• 18:45
  Speaker 5: you know who can't watch this game for the most part?
• 18:47
  Speaker 4: People who work.
• 18:48
  Speaker 3: Or how about kids, people who actually go to school?
• 18:51
  Speaker 5: Most kids, I think, at 12.30 on a Thursday, and
• 18:54
  Speaker 5: West Coast even earlier, aren't going to be able to
• 18:56
  Speaker 5: watch this game. This game, if it becomes the closer
• 18:59
  Speaker 5: for the Valkyries, is going to go down like Will
• 19:02
  Speaker 5: Chamberlain's 100-point game. Can you prove you saw it? Because
• 19:05
  Speaker 5: 17,000 people see it.
• 19:06
  Speaker 4: A picture of one of the stars with a piece
• 19:07
  Speaker 4: of paper?
• 19:08
  Speaker 5: Yeah, 24, because they had 24 points. How can Valkyries
• 19:12
  Speaker 5: fans watch this game at 9.30 a.m.
• 19:14
  Speaker 6: Pacific?
• 19:14
  Speaker 3: Do you come in a little late for work? Maybe
• 19:15
  Speaker 3: you can catch a little bit of it.
• 19:17
  Speaker 5: Look, I know the NBA, or I assume the NBA
• 19:20
  Speaker 5: tried to exhaust every way around this.
• 19:22
  Speaker 3: Can you use Georgia Tech's building? I don't know.
• 19:24
  Speaker 4: Could you?
• 19:24
  Speaker 3: That holds 9,000.
• 19:26
  Speaker 5: But somehow you did this wrong, and no one's going
• 19:29
  Speaker 5: to really care about the details and negotiations. Most people
• 19:32
  Speaker 5: who critique your sport are going to say, look at that,
• 19:35
  Speaker 5: WNBA proving again they're not ready for the big stage.
• 19:37
  Speaker 3: They're not ready for the big time. Here's a question.
• 19:40
  Speaker 5: What if Kaitlin Clark were in this finals? Do you
• 19:42
  Speaker 5: think it'd be at 1230 on a Thursday? No chance,
• 19:45
  Speaker 5: and you know what? I promise you they would have
• 19:46
  Speaker 5: found a way to work it out. You should have
• 19:48
  Speaker 5: found a way to work it out for this one
• 19:49
  Speaker 5: as well.
• 19:50
  Speaker 3: Move it a day. Do whatever you can.
• 19:51
  Speaker 5: You have to have national eyeballs on the final game
• 19:54
  Speaker 5: of your sport. And for people who critique your sport,
• 19:57
  Speaker 5: you gave them a day, a week, an off-season worth
• 20:01
  Speaker 5: of ammo. My daughters love the NBA. My daughters play poop.
• 20:05
  Speaker 5: They watch a lot of WNBA. Now, your boy here
• 20:08
  Speaker 5: missed a lot of high school for various reasons. Cubs games, whatever.
• 20:11
  Speaker 5: I missed a lot of high school. I'm not sure
• 20:13
  Speaker 5: I can ask mom if she could write a note
• 20:15
  Speaker 5: for the girls to miss school to watch Valkyrie's Dream
• 20:18
  Speaker 5: at 1230 on Tuesday. I don't know how that's going
• 20:20
  Speaker 5: to go with the dean of students or the principal,
• 20:22
  Speaker 5: but I am going to give it a shot.
• 20:23
  Speaker 3: We'll see if that note gets past the goalie.
• 20:25
  Speaker 2: It's unbelievable. It's almost like you're making this up. It's
• 20:27
  Speaker 2: such a terrible scenario.
• 20:29
  Speaker 5: When I saw it tweeted out yesterday, I think it
• 20:31
  Speaker 5: was Nicole Auerbach had it, or I'm sorry, a Another
• 20:35
  Speaker 5: reporter had it, and I was like, well, this can't
• 20:36
  Speaker 5: be right.
• 20:37
  Speaker 3: This is clearly a mistake.
• 20:38
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a shame because I think they need a
• 20:41
  Speaker 2: lot more eyeballs on that game. We haven't really talked
• 20:44
  Speaker 2: much about that series, but it's been fun and interesting.
• 20:46
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's been good.
• 20:47
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but no one sees it. Okay, I'm going to
• 20:50
  Speaker 2: stick in basketball but go to the NBA. Now, you're
• 20:52
  Speaker 2: going to get to see me make a pick in
• 20:54
  Speaker 2: real time here, Paul. Oh, really?
• 20:55
  Speaker 4: This is exciting.
• 20:55
  Speaker 3: Drumroll.
• 20:57
  Speaker 2: Yesterday, the Oklahoma City Thunder found out that they're basically
• 21:00
  Speaker 2: without Jalen Williams and Keison Walls for the year. Jalen Williams,
• 21:04
  Speaker 2: you saw what happened in the playoffs last year when
• 21:05
  Speaker 2: they lost him. They already gave away a lot of
• 21:08
  Speaker 2: their depth because of the salary cap. So they lost
• 21:10
  Speaker 2: Lou Dort, they lost Isaiah Joe, and others. So they
• 21:12
  Speaker 2: do not have the same team that won the title
• 21:15
  Speaker 2: at all. I am crossing them off my list.
• 21:19
  Speaker 3: That's an early cross.
• 21:20
  Speaker 2: That's an early cross because they just lost too much depth,
• 21:23
  Speaker 2: and that's what happens in the NBA.
• 21:24
  Speaker 4: That's why nobody repeats.
• 21:26
  Speaker 2: So I am taking Oklahoma City off. Now, that means
• 21:29
  Speaker 2: that there are other teams on here for Western Conference winner.
• 21:32
  Speaker 2: I am crossing the Spurs off. I do not like
• 21:34
  Speaker 2: the way they are built.
• 21:35
  Speaker 3: You're dun-dunning both teams?
• 21:36
  Speaker 4: I'm not dun-dunning them, but this is a bet.
• 21:38
  Speaker 2: I bet on the Thunder to win the whole thing.
• 21:40
  Speaker 2: I'm going to cross off the Minnesota Timberwolves, and I'll
• 21:43
  Speaker 2: tell you why in a second.
• 21:43
  Speaker 4: Understandable.
• 21:44
  Speaker 2: Houston Rockets, too old. Now, the next teams on the
• 21:47
  Speaker 2: list are the Denver Nuggets and the L.A.
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: Lakers.
• 21:49
  Speaker 4: Guess who I'm not crossing off? The Lakers. I am
• 21:52
  Speaker 4: not crossing off the L.A.
• 21:53
  Speaker 2: Lakers.
• 21:54
  Speaker 4: The L.A.
• 21:54
  Speaker 2: Lakers have recreated the Luka Doncic Mavericks to the T.
• 21:58
  Speaker 2: They have the big center who rolls on the pick
• 22:00
  Speaker 2: and roll and dunks. Austin Reeves is their Kyrie Irving.
• 22:03
  Speaker 2: And Luka is arguably the best player in the NFL. Now,
• 22:06
  Speaker 2: that year, if you remember, they won 50 games and
• 22:08
  Speaker 2: got to the finals because they beat the Nuggets and
• 22:11
  Speaker 2: the T-Wolves in the playoffs.
• 22:12
  Speaker 4: That is going to happen again this year. Maybe not,
• 22:15
  Speaker 4: but I'm willing to bet.
• 22:16
  Speaker 2: 13-1 on that. So, Paul....
• 22:18
  Speaker 4: In real time, you're going to be here for this.
• 22:20
  Speaker 3: You're making this bet?
• 22:21
  Speaker 4: I'm making this bet.
• 22:22
  Speaker 3: Is this legal? Can we do this?
• 22:23
  Speaker 2: We won't mention where I'm making the bet until they
• 22:26
  Speaker 2: sponsor us. But boom, Lakers to win the West, 13-1.
• 22:31
  Speaker 2: I am getting rid of my Thunder to win the
• 22:33
  Speaker 2: West pick and going with the L.A. Lakers.
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: Wow.
• 22:36
  Speaker 2: It sounds crazy, but it's really not that crazy.
• 22:38
  Speaker 5: You know, I like what you're doing here. OKC, I
• 22:40
  Speaker 5: think we'll right the ship because they have enough time
• 22:41
  Speaker 5: to get people together. But Luka has a team around
• 22:44
  Speaker 5: him where he does not have to share. It's centered
• 22:46
  Speaker 5: on him.
• 22:46
  Speaker 4: It's built around him.
• 22:47
  Speaker 5: Yeah, it's almost like having a Clint Capella five years ago,
• 22:50
  Speaker 5: a guy who's just there to rebound and clean up messes.
• 22:52
  Speaker 5: I'm a little salty that you didn't offer me 25%
• 22:53
  Speaker 5: of your bet. I would love to have chipped in
• 22:55
  Speaker 5: on that one.
• 22:56
  Speaker 4: Yeah, well, I'm not putting that much money on it. 25%
• 22:58
  Speaker 4: of a $ 5 bet is not going to get you
• 22:59
  Speaker 4: too much.
• 23:00
  Speaker 2: But I do think the West is all of a
• 23:02
  Speaker 2: sudden much more interesting because the Thunder, I don't know
• 23:04
  Speaker 2: if they can right the ship. That's a lot of
• 23:06
  Speaker 2: players who are gone.
• 23:07
  Speaker 4: And Jalen Williams, without him last year, they missed him tremendously.
• 23:10
  Speaker 2: I feel like those two injuries kind of went under
• 23:11
  Speaker 2: the radar because people never really talk about the Thunder.
• 23:14
  Speaker 4: But that's a huge deal NBA-wise.
• 23:16
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• 23:18
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• 23:20
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• 23:23
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• 23:25
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• 23:27
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• 23:32
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• 23:33
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• 23:33
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• 23:35
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• 23:36
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• 23:37
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• 23:38
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• 23:50
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• 23:53
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• 23:57
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• 24:00
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• 24:05
  Speaker 8: You know, I said, unfortunately, and look, I know a
• 24:08
  Speaker 8: win is a win is a win in NFL, but
• 24:10
  Speaker 8: I put an asterisk next to this one. You know,
• 24:12
  Speaker 8: you had a backup quarterback. You had a, what, a
• 24:15
  Speaker 8: rookie center. You've got a second year right tackle. You know,
• 24:19
  Speaker 8: if you go down the list, it was a mass unit.
• 24:22
  Speaker 8: And look, I know injuries happen around the league, but yeah,
• 24:26
  Speaker 8: I mean, you saw something from offense. They finally gave
• 24:29
  Speaker 8: you that run pass balance that you've been looking for
• 24:31
  Speaker 8: off season, but yeah, I think a lot of us
• 24:33
  Speaker 8: were expecting that to be the least of their problems. They,
• 24:36
  Speaker 8: I mean, they had little to no personnel changes this season.
• 24:40
  Speaker 6: You had the same offensive coordinator, the.
• 24:42
  Speaker 8: Same play caller, and then, you know, defense that's just
• 24:46
  Speaker 8: continued to.
• 24:47
  Speaker 6: Be an Achilles heel.
• 24:48
  Speaker 2: So.
• 24:48
  Speaker 6: I don't know if last night said to anybody.
• 24:51
  Speaker 8: That they fixed things, but it was nice to at
• 24:54
  Speaker 8: least see the offense find their rhythm again because they're
• 24:57
  Speaker 8: going to need to score 35 or more in order
• 24:59
  Speaker 8: to have that shot.
• 25:00
  Speaker 6: At the NFC East that they still think that they're
• 25:02
  Speaker 6: capable of having.
• 25:03
  Speaker 5: You know, like Andrew said, it's a feel-good win. But
• 25:05
  Speaker 5: there was a point, and we knew you had you
• 25:07
  Speaker 5: booked on today's show. And I was thinking when they
• 25:09
  Speaker 5: were on that drive, when the Eagles were on that
• 25:12
  Speaker 5: drive to start the third quarter, like 17 plays, eight minutes,
• 25:15
  Speaker 5: and they scored and they took the lead. I started
• 25:17
  Speaker 5: thinking about Fallout. Can you put me just a hypothetical?
• 25:21
  Speaker 5: Let's say that game went.
• 25:22
  Speaker 3: The other way. What do you think we'd be talking
• 25:23
  Speaker 3: about in Dallas today?
• 25:25
  Speaker 8: You guys fans of Man in the High Castle, like
• 25:28
  Speaker 8: what would have happened if the Nazis had won and
• 25:30
  Speaker 8: not the Americans?
• 25:32
  Speaker 6: It would have felt nuclear around here, honestly.
• 25:34
  Speaker 8: And that's just because.
• 25:37
  Speaker 8: You know, when you listen, there's so many people that
• 25:40
  Speaker 8: talk during the week.
• 25:41
  Speaker 6: Cherry talks during the week. Shoddy talks during the week.
• 25:44
  Speaker 8: Last week, we heard from Clayton Adams and we heard
• 25:46
  Speaker 8: from Christian Parker and then.
• 25:47
  Speaker 6: Stephen Jones has his show.
• 25:50
  Speaker 8: As you're listening to these guys last week, it just
• 25:52
  Speaker 8: felt like everyone was pressing and looking for answers.
• 25:56
  Speaker 6: And then you even had.
• 25:57
  Speaker 8: Jerry, who is eternally optimistic, sort of pumping the brakes
• 26:01
  Speaker 8: and saying, well, by his own admission, maybe they expected
• 26:05
  Speaker 8: too much from a first-time DC. In his defense, if
• 26:10
  Speaker 8: you look at that side of the ball, there are
• 26:12
  Speaker 8: very few holdover names from last season.
• 26:16
  Speaker 6: Very few.
• 26:17
  Speaker 8: And then, like I said, you bring in a first-year DC,
• 26:19
  Speaker 8: and then most of that defensive staff is incredibly young.
• 26:22
  Speaker 6: And so when Jerry starts.
• 26:25
  Speaker 8: tap in the brakes a little bit, I think you
• 26:27
  Speaker 8: lose a little bit of confidence, right? But I think
• 26:29
  Speaker 8: it was more concerning that everyone started pointing to the
• 26:32
  Speaker 8: offense and saying, what's going on there? So if they
• 26:36
  Speaker 8: had given up that touchdown in the third quarter when
• 26:38
  Speaker 8: they came out of the half, I think things could
• 26:40
  Speaker 8: have gotten really, really ugly in Dallas. And it was
• 26:42
  Speaker 8: starting to feel like that Mike McCarthy, Mike Nolan year back.
• 26:46
  Speaker 6: In 2020 during COVID.
• 26:49
  Speaker 8: And that's when they wanted to move on from Mike Nolan,
• 26:52
  Speaker 8: promote George Edwards. I came out with the anonymous sources report,
• 26:56
  Speaker 8: which upset everybody in the building over that one. If
• 26:59
  Speaker 8: you've noticed, I've been very careful this time around with
• 27:02
  Speaker 8: this because, you know, look, there are always two sides
• 27:05
  Speaker 8: to every story and the truth is somewhere in between.
• 27:09
  Speaker 8: I think, if anything, this team, that win, at least
• 27:12
  Speaker 8: gave them the confidence that they needed as they moved.
• 27:16
  Speaker 6: Throughout this schedule.
• 27:17
  Speaker 8: But, I mean, if you watch that Giants game against
• 27:20
  Speaker 8: the Texans on Sunday, I don't know if I feel
• 27:24
  Speaker 8: as comfortable about the Cowboys going up against Harbaugh and
• 27:27
  Speaker 8: the way that team is playing if that's who they're
• 27:29
  Speaker 8: chasing in this division.
• 27:31
  Speaker 2: Jane, there was an interesting conversation on Dan Patrick's show
• 27:34
  Speaker 2: today about Dak Prescott. The question was, is he over-covered, overrated,
• 27:39
  Speaker 2: or other? I actually lean towards sometimes he's underrated because
• 27:43
  Speaker 2: he just gets so much attention. I don't know what
• 27:46
  Speaker 2: the reaction is locally to Dak, but last night we
• 27:48
  Speaker 2: saw a brilliant quarterback.
• 27:51
  Speaker 4: Where do you land on Dak Prescott and sort of
• 27:53
  Speaker 4: his reputation?
• 27:55
  Speaker 8: I think what hurts Dak Prescott sometimes is he is
• 27:58
  Speaker 8: also an eternal optimist. You know, from the time he
• 28:01
  Speaker 8: was a rookie, he was a powerful manifester and he
• 28:04
  Speaker 8: sees everything.
• 28:05
  Speaker 2: In front of him.
• 28:05
  Speaker 6: He's got the mental health coach.
• 28:06
  Speaker 8: He was one of the few that talked about that
• 28:09
  Speaker 8: early on in his career.
• 28:10
  Speaker 6: But you know how football is.
• 28:12
  Speaker 8: People get really, really frustrated when things aren't going their way.
• 28:15
  Speaker 8: But you never saw him necessarily get frustrated. The things
• 28:19
  Speaker 8: that I was hearing internally in the building had to
• 28:21
  Speaker 8: do more with the line of scrimmage. Some of the checks,
• 28:24
  Speaker 8: some of the protections. And I sort of pressed them
• 28:27
  Speaker 8: on some of that last week. And I don't know
• 28:30
  Speaker 8: if there was more flexibility for Dak at the line
• 28:34
  Speaker 8: of scrimmage, if he was checking out of plays more
• 28:37
  Speaker 8: so than he normally does.
• 28:39
  Speaker 6: It's something that I'm going to follow up on this week.
• 28:41
  Speaker 8: But it just sort of felt like he decided to
• 28:44
  Speaker 8: take the game over again. And you saw the ball
• 28:47
  Speaker 8: get to George Pickens. And why don't you throw to
• 28:49
  Speaker 8: George Pickens? I think there was one case. I was
• 28:52
  Speaker 8: looking at this one. Where was it? I wrote this
• 28:53
  Speaker 8: down for you guys today. Because I just thought.
• 28:55
  Speaker 6: This is George Pickens in a nutshell.
• 28:59
  Speaker 2: Where is it?
• 28:59
  Speaker 6: It's talking about the first.
• 29:01
  Speaker 5: Like you mentioned, right before the game started, Dak Prescott
• 29:04
  Speaker 5: was asked about the game. He said, we're going to
• 29:06
  Speaker 5: get into George early, like 30 seconds before kickoff.
• 29:08
  Speaker 3: He talked about that.
• 29:09
  Speaker 6: Yeah, well, look at this.
• 29:10
  Speaker 8: It was at third and three, the 21-yard touchdown pass
• 29:13
  Speaker 8: to Pickens. 14.9% completion probability, according to NextGenStats. They called
• 29:19
  Speaker 8: it the most improbable completion of his career and third
• 29:23
  Speaker 8: most improbable of Prescott's.
• 29:24
  Speaker 6: Prescott Pickens was 0.2.
• 29:25
  Speaker 8: Yards from the sideline. My point in saying that is
• 29:28
  Speaker 8: I go back to the Baltimore game. Now, if you
• 29:30
  Speaker 8: look at the Baltimore game, when Dak threw it, George
• 29:34
  Speaker 8: had not quite gotten released yet, right? But my argument
• 29:37
  Speaker 8: sometime is don't be afraid of throwing the football. Dak
• 29:41
  Speaker 8: has shown you that he can get the ball out
• 29:43
  Speaker 8: there and George has shown you that he can come
• 29:44
  Speaker 8: down with it.
• 29:45
  Speaker 6: And so I think.
• 29:46
  Speaker 8: Sometimes maybe they were playing a little bit too conservative.
• 29:48
  Speaker 8: And some of that happens when you fill behind the
• 29:50
  Speaker 8: eight ball. You find yourself in these third and longs,
• 29:54
  Speaker 8: and you don't have your run game established. And so
• 29:56
  Speaker 8: they seemingly were able to put some of that stuff
• 29:58
  Speaker 8: together last night. But again, I put an asterisk next
• 30:01
  Speaker 8: to it because how good is that offense next to
• 30:04
  Speaker 8: what the defense from the Eagles rolled out there?
• 30:07
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 30:07
  Speaker 5: All right, Jane, you covered the entire NFC East, and
• 30:10
  Speaker 5: it's been a wonky year. Philly feels like it's a
• 30:12
  Speaker 5: lost year. The commander's up and down, more down than up.
• 30:16
  Speaker 5: And this weird situation we have with the Giants where
• 30:18
  Speaker 5: no one really believes in them, but it might not matter.
• 30:21
  Speaker 5: Is there a team, including the Cowboys, which team could
• 30:24
  Speaker 5: you picture in the NFC title game, if any?
• 30:28
  Speaker 8: You know, it gets uncomfortable around here because you heard
• 30:32
  Speaker 8: Schottenheimer at a four-minute postgame presser last night, which is
• 30:36
  Speaker 8: not like Schotty.
• 30:38
  Speaker 6: You know, it's like you've got to balance it. I'm
• 30:40
  Speaker 6: a Texas fan. It's like Arch, right?
• 30:42
  Speaker 8: Sometimes Arch says too much, and then the media says
• 30:45
  Speaker 8: he's saying too much, and then he shuts down on you,
• 30:47
  Speaker 8: and you don't want that as a reporter.
• 30:49
  Speaker 6: But, you know, there was some argument to be.
• 30:51
  Speaker 8: Made last week that maybe Shoddy says too much. He
• 30:55
  Speaker 8: offers up too much information as it relates to this team.
• 30:59
  Speaker 6: That's not John Harbaugh.
• 31:01
  Speaker 8: And John Harbaugh, the way that he's approached things, the
• 31:03
  Speaker 8: way that he, you know, sent Najee Harris out of here...
• 31:07
  Speaker 8: Cam Scadabo, he was pretty tough on him in the press.
• 31:11
  Speaker 8: He can get away with that because he's won some
• 31:14
  Speaker 8: of the big games. And I think the hard part
• 31:16
  Speaker 8: for Shoddy last week was he was calling out George
• 31:18
  Speaker 8: Pickens and he was.
• 31:20
  Speaker 6: 9-13-1 while he was doing it. And so if you're.
• 31:22
  Speaker 8: Asking me, I say all that to say, if you
• 31:26
  Speaker 8: put me on the spot right now, I feel more
• 31:27
  Speaker 8: confident in John Harbaugh and what he's building in New York.
• 31:30
  Speaker 8: And that's, and that's not me saying that Shadi can't
• 31:33
  Speaker 8: get there one day. It's just, this is Shadi's second
• 31:36
  Speaker 8: year as a head coach. And I still think he's
• 31:40
  Speaker 8: sort of finding his cadence, his rhythm.
• 31:43
  Speaker 6: What makes sense.
• 31:43
  Speaker 8: And if you're a guy in a locker room or
• 31:45
  Speaker 8: if you guys, you know, you've been in newsrooms before,
• 31:48
  Speaker 8: you typically are looking to leaders who has at least
• 31:51
  Speaker 8: some skin on the wall. And I just, I think
• 31:53
  Speaker 8: that's what sometimes is lacking for Shottie, even though all
• 31:56
  Speaker 8: of us enjoy covering him. I know the guys like
• 31:58
  Speaker 8: playing for him. I know they like, you know, dealing
• 32:01
  Speaker 8: with him away from the facility. But sometimes I think
• 32:03
  Speaker 8: it takes more than that, especially in a tight division
• 32:06
  Speaker 8: going up against a guy like Carball.
• 32:08
  Speaker 2: Jane, are your friends aware you're saying the Giants are
• 32:10
  Speaker 2: going to beat the Cowboys?
• 32:11
  Speaker 4: Or could beat them?
• 32:12
  Speaker 3: They're watching the show now.
• 32:14
  Speaker 8: Listen, growing up here in the Dallas area, I'm probably
• 32:18
  Speaker 8: not as hard on them right now as even a
• 32:21
  Speaker 8: lot of the fans are. The text messages I get
• 32:23
  Speaker 8: from my dad are just absolutely wild and insane.
• 32:26
  Speaker 2: Jane, last question for me. Do you expect the Cowboys
• 32:29
  Speaker 2: to make any move at the trade deadline, or are
• 32:30
  Speaker 2: they going to stand back?
• 32:32
  Speaker 6: Yes, I think they will.
• 32:33
  Speaker 8: And I think that's because, here's the one thing I'll
• 32:35
  Speaker 8: say about Jerry. You know, for the last couple of years,
• 32:38
  Speaker 8: we said, you know, the definition of insanity is doing
• 32:40
  Speaker 8: the same thing over and over and expecting the same results. Well,
• 32:43
  Speaker 8: this offseason, Jerry was very active going out and getting
• 32:48
  Speaker 8: you players. Went out, got you the George Pickens. He
• 32:50
  Speaker 8: got you the Quinnen Williams. He got you Jalen Thompson.
• 32:53
  Speaker 8: He traded away guys that, at the time, they didn't
• 32:56
  Speaker 8: think fit the scheme, like Ose and Digizua.
• 32:58
  Speaker 6: Right.
• 32:58
  Speaker 8: And then, you know, he allowed Shawty to bring in
• 33:01
  Speaker 8: a first. I mean, I never thought I'd see Jerry
• 33:03
  Speaker 8: bring in a young first time D.C.
• 33:06
  Speaker 6: Into Dallas.
• 33:06
  Speaker 8: And then we're hearing him talk about bringing Troy Aikman
• 33:09
  Speaker 8: in at some point, which I'm.
• 33:11
  Speaker 6: Like, pigs are flying around here in Dallas.
• 33:13
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 33:14
  Speaker 6: If you guys know the lore between those two.
• 33:15
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 33:16
  Speaker 8: And so I think he just, at 84 years old,
• 33:18
  Speaker 8: I think he truly.
• 33:19
  Speaker 6: Is all in. And I think he sees still.
• 33:22
  Speaker 8: Disparity despite the two-game lead by the Giants. And I
• 33:25
  Speaker 8: think he thinks that if he can just get that
• 33:27
  Speaker 8: pass rush going.
• 33:28
  Speaker 6: They had two sacks last night.
• 33:30
  Speaker 8: You know, it's like he had the interception from DeMar
• 33:33
  Speaker 8: Viett overshowed. The wheels are turning for Jerry, and I
• 33:36
  Speaker 8: think it will be impossible for.
• 33:37
  Speaker 6: Him not to make a move.
• 33:38
  Speaker 2: Jane, so much to talk about the Cowboys. We have
• 33:40
  Speaker 2: to have you back. I mean, it seems like every
• 33:42
  Speaker 2: week is another thing.
• 33:43
  Speaker 4: Great to see you, and thanks.
• 33:44
  Speaker 2: For the time.
• 33:46
  Speaker 8: Thank you guys for always being in my corner when
• 33:48
  Speaker 8: no one else cared.
• 33:49
  Speaker 2: Thank you.
• 33:49
  Speaker 6: Always.
• 33:50
  Speaker 4: Thanks, Jane.
• 33:51
  Speaker 5: That's really interesting because, you know, that long history of
• 33:54
  Speaker 5: Troy Aikman. and he wants to work in football in
• 33:57
  Speaker 5: some fashion.
• 33:58
  Speaker 3: He might be available to work in football in some fashion.
• 34:00
  Speaker 3: We've got to talk more about this one.
• 34:02
  Speaker 2: Well, Jay said it, 84.
• 34:03
  Speaker 4: I mean, how much time?
• 34:04
  Speaker 2: I don't care if Troy Aikman is going to be there.
• 34:06
  Speaker 2: You've got to build this roster fast. You're not going
• 34:08
  Speaker 2: to do a rebuild. I don't know if Troy Aikman
• 34:09
  Speaker 2: is going to make an impact.
• 34:10
  Speaker 3: Well, let's tease this. Let's talk about this in a
• 34:13
  Speaker 3: little bit. There's a lot more to this one.
• 34:14
  Speaker 2: All right, coming up next, we're going to go to
• 34:16
  Speaker 2: the clip joint. We've got Ed Werner on the Cowboys,
• 34:19
  Speaker 2: and we also have a very interesting quote from David
• 34:21
  Speaker 2: Ortiz on the World Series. Coming up next, not so fast.
• 34:25
  Speaker 3: By the way, I want to work out whatever Troy
• 34:26
  Speaker 3: Aikman's doing. We got to start doing that.
• 34:28
  Speaker 2: Troy's always ripped.
• 34:29
  Speaker 3: But he's more ripped.
• 34:31
  Speaker 2: No, his post-playing career is ridiculously fitness-wise.
• 34:40
  Speaker 1: The Troy Aikman situation with the mothership, and I didn't
• 34:45
  Speaker 1: know there was that much of a fallout with Troy
• 34:48
  Speaker 1: and Jerry Jones. How did that come about that these
• 34:52
  Speaker 1: two kind of went their separate ways?
• 34:55
  Speaker 9: Well, Dan, you and I know that ESPN never lets
• 34:58
  Speaker 9: valuable people leave the company. So it's quite surprising to
• 35:03
  Speaker 9: both of us, I think, that Troy Aikman's not returning
• 35:06
  Speaker 9: on an extension and going to be Joe Buck's partner
• 35:09
  Speaker 9: after this 25 years they've had together. You know, Troy
• 35:12
  Speaker 9: really values loyalty. And I don't think he feels like
• 35:17
  Speaker 9: that's been in existence in this partnership this year, either
• 35:21
  Speaker 9: with the company or with Joe Buck. And so I could,
• 35:24
  Speaker 9: it certainly seems to me like they've already decided they're
• 35:27
  Speaker 9: moving on from Troy Aikman. And whether there's a place
• 35:30
  Speaker 9: for Troy in broadcasting, I don't know.
• 35:33
  Speaker 1: There should be.
• 35:34
  Speaker 9: To me, he's the best there is still.
• 35:38
  Speaker 5: Back on Not So Fast, Paxton Perloff, this is a
• 35:40
  Speaker 5: clip joint. Now, the backstory, that's Ed Werder, longtime Mothership reporter.
• 35:45
  Speaker 5: Talk about Troy Aikman and Troy Aikman's future as a
• 35:47
  Speaker 5: broadcaster and as a cowboy worker.
• 35:49
  Speaker 3: Which one's more interesting to you?
• 35:50
  Speaker 8: Broadcaster.
• 35:51
  Speaker 4: Broadcaster.
• 35:56
  Speaker 2: I was watching last night, and I was very fascinated
• 35:58
  Speaker 2: with Joe Buck and Troy Aikman. Their chemistry seemed good
• 36:01
  Speaker 2: on air. I don't notice anything. But the other thing, too,
• 36:04
  Speaker 2: is they're very good. To break them up, as all
• 36:06
  Speaker 2: the reports indicate, is crazy to me.
• 36:08
  Speaker 5: Look, I don't want to get too inside baseball here
• 36:10
  Speaker 5: because I'm not sure people care, but I think ESPN
• 36:12
  Speaker 5: has made their decision on Troy Aikman, and that's why
• 36:14
  Speaker 5: they went down this road. I think they knew they're
• 36:16
  Speaker 5: going to take heat for this on some level, but
• 36:18
  Speaker 5: they may want to get maybe younger, maybe cheaper at
• 36:21
  Speaker 5: that analyst position, and they could do both. I think
• 36:23
  Speaker 5: Troy Aikman's great, but I don't pay the checks at ESPN.
• 36:26
  Speaker 2: Well, you say nobody cares because it's inside baseball. I
• 36:29
  Speaker 2: normally agree with you on media stories. I think this
• 36:32
  Speaker 2: one is huge.
• 36:33
  Speaker 4: You're right, Mike.
• 36:33
  Speaker 2: Because not just because of what's happening now, they're doing
• 36:35
  Speaker 2: the Super Bowl together. If you watch ESPN, they commercialize
• 36:38
  Speaker 2: every day. You're telling me that Troy Aikman's going to
• 36:40
  Speaker 2: be a free agent in that week leading up to
• 36:42
  Speaker 2: the Super Bowl? That will be a massive story.
• 36:44
  Speaker 5: I would say that if they weren't having that as
• 36:46
  Speaker 5: their plan, they would have addressed this with Troy before
• 36:49
  Speaker 5: they gave his partner the contract. They wouldn't let him
• 36:51
  Speaker 5: find out third party, fourth party. So look, I think
• 36:55
  Speaker 5: Trey Aikman's in this weird position where it's almost like
• 36:57
  Speaker 5: being a veteran quarterback and they bring in a younger
• 36:59
  Speaker 5: version of you that's younger and cheaper. That happens in football.
• 37:02
  Speaker 5: That may happen in broadcasting. What I think is a
• 37:05
  Speaker 5: bigger picture for me is why have the Cowboys never
• 37:07
  Speaker 5: engaged Trey Aikman to be a consultant, a president of
• 37:10
  Speaker 5: team operations, some type of thing? Clearly he wants to.
• 37:14
  Speaker 5: And I know he's loyal to Jimmy Johnson, but he's
• 37:16
  Speaker 5: a Cowboys legend. The Broncos ask John Elway. Whether it
• 37:18
  Speaker 5: works out or not, you ask at some point.
• 37:20
  Speaker 4: Well, what's different? What's different?
• 37:21
  Speaker 2: Jerry Jones doesn't want anyone in the building who's going
• 37:23
  Speaker 2: to challenge his authority or get credit when the Cowboys
• 37:26
  Speaker 2: do well. Who's ever been in the building that's made
• 37:29
  Speaker 2: a difference?
• 37:29
  Speaker 5: Which is an entire reason the Cowboys have trouble winning
• 37:32
  Speaker 5: is that they don't have a traditional NFL structure of
• 37:34
  Speaker 5: a general manager that has some level of autonomy.
• 37:37
  Speaker 2: Well, there was this old narrative that he hired Bill
• 37:39
  Speaker 2: Parcells once because he needed a few wins to get
• 37:41
  Speaker 2: a new stadium built. And then that experiment went so
• 37:44
  Speaker 2: badly for Jerry and his ego.
• 37:46
  Speaker 4: That he said, never, ever again.
• 37:48
  Speaker 2: And since then, he's gone to the Chan Gailey's of
• 37:50
  Speaker 2: the world and Brian Schottenheimer. Yeah, and he also doesn't
• 37:53
  Speaker 2: like to pay a lot for assistant coaches. He's not
• 37:56
  Speaker 2: a guy who likes a well-run building necessarily. He likes
• 37:58
  Speaker 2: to run everything.
• 37:59
  Speaker 5: All right, earlier today, David Ortiz, Big Papi from the
• 38:02
  Speaker 5: Red Sox, remember him? He was on the Dan Patrick Show. Now,
• 38:04
  Speaker 5: he was down 3-0 in 0-4, ALCS.
• 38:07
  Speaker 3: To the Yankees. So he's been there.
• 38:09
  Speaker 5: Dan asked Big Papi what he would say to the
• 38:11
  Speaker 5: Rays about the hole that they're in.
• 38:14
  Speaker 7: Hey, listen, when you are in all-in-three, there's no pet
• 38:17
  Speaker 7: talk that can really resolve any problem. Like, when we
• 38:22
  Speaker 7: were in a situation, it was no pet talk. The
• 38:25
  Speaker 7: pet talk started once, you know, we won the first
• 38:30
  Speaker 7: couple of games. Then you start feeling your mojo is
• 38:33
  Speaker 7: back and this and that, but... Tampa is in a
• 38:37
  Speaker 7: very tough spot right now. Because they had to play
• 38:40
  Speaker 7: the bullpen game today, and the Brewer bullpen is.
• 38:46
  Speaker 7: They are tough.
• 38:48
  Speaker 2: That's not how it works out in the movies, Paul.
• 38:50
  Speaker 2: I figure when the Red Sox were down 3-0, Kevin
• 38:52
  Speaker 2: Millar got up there and gave an incredible speech.
• 38:55
  Speaker 3: No, I was at... I worked with Dan Patrick.
• 38:57
  Speaker 5: Dan Patrick and I were at every single game of
• 38:59
  Speaker 5: that 2004 ALCS. When the Yankees took the 3-0 lead,
• 39:02
  Speaker 5: they were starting to pack up. Like, they were talking
• 39:04
  Speaker 5: about the offseason. The media in Boston was like, this
• 39:07
  Speaker 5: is an embarrassment what this team does. That game that
• 39:09
  Speaker 5: they won in Game 4 of the 0-4 ALCS, everyone
• 39:12
  Speaker 5: was like, oh, now they gave us false hope.
• 39:14
  Speaker 3: And then they went on to win it.
• 39:15
  Speaker 4: Unbelievable.
• 39:17
  Speaker 2: To me, though, that could have been a once-in-a-lifetime thing.
• 39:19
  Speaker 2: And Big Papi sort of made me even feel worse
• 39:22
  Speaker 2: for the Rays.
• 39:22
  Speaker 3: Yes.
• 39:23
  Speaker 4: He's been there, and I don't think he sees it
• 39:25
  Speaker 4: coming this year.
• 39:26
  Speaker 5: They don't have that level of talent that the 04
• 39:28
  Speaker 5: ALCS Red Sox had.
• 39:30
  Speaker 4: Yeah, okay.
• 39:31
  Speaker 2: By the way, we're getting word there's a big NFL
• 39:32
  Speaker 2: trade that we'll get into in a second. First, let's
• 39:35
  Speaker 2: play the Clint Kubiak sound. Now, the Raiders coach talked
• 39:39
  Speaker 2: about Fernando Mendoza and whether it's time for him to
• 39:41
  Speaker 2: take over for Kirk Cousins now, or do they stick
• 39:44
  Speaker 2: with the veteran?
• 39:45
  Speaker 10: I want to let you guys know, that Kirk is
• 39:50
  Speaker 10: our starting quarterback. There is no controversy there. He's playing
• 39:52
  Speaker 10: at a very high level, and he's got to continue
• 39:55
  Speaker 10: to do that for us to win, and we've got
• 39:57
  Speaker 10: to keep helping all the areas around him. So I'm
• 40:02
  Speaker 10: excited for him to go play here against the Jets.
• 40:06
  Speaker 5: Before we get to the trade in the NFL that
• 40:08
  Speaker 5: we're just getting news on right now, I think I
• 40:10
  Speaker 5: like what Clint Kubiak is doing. I think as a
• 40:13
  Speaker 5: franchise that their plan this year was to really try
• 40:16
  Speaker 5: to sit Mendoza for the season and be disciplined about it,
• 40:18
  Speaker 5: almost like Mahomes his first year, I applaud them for
• 40:21
  Speaker 5: sticking to it, not being reactionary and reacting to a
• 40:24
  Speaker 5: little dip in the schedule. Because Cousins isn't playing poorly.
• 40:27
  Speaker 5: They're just not winning. So I commend them if they're
• 40:29
  Speaker 5: sticking with their big plan.
• 40:30
  Speaker 2: So you're not saying that Kirk Cousins is going to
• 40:32
  Speaker 2: lead them to the playoffs.
• 40:34
  Speaker 4: This is more about letting Mendoza learn from the bench.
• 40:37
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 40:37
  Speaker 5: And I think what they're doing there is saying, okay,
• 40:40
  Speaker 5: if we put Mendoza in now, you can't bench him.
• 40:43
  Speaker 5: So you put him in. You're really saying this season
• 40:46
  Speaker 5: is just a warm-up for next year.
• 40:48
  Speaker 3: They're not at that point.
• 40:49
  Speaker 5: Now, while the Jets game makes a lot of sense
• 40:51
  Speaker 5: for this transition, because if Kirk Cousins plays well this weekend,
• 40:54
  Speaker 5: now you kick that can at least another month.
• 40:56
  Speaker 2: Well, yeah, I've heard this and I kind of agree
• 40:59
  Speaker 2: with this.
• 40:59
  Speaker 4: Next up are Niners and Seahawks.
• 41:01
  Speaker 2: Like you said, if they play Mendoza now and he
• 41:04
  Speaker 2: struggles against the Seahawks, then you might have to bench him.
• 41:07
  Speaker 2: I would wait more, but there's nothing to gain from it.
• 41:09
  Speaker 2: They're not going to play us with either quarterback.
• 41:10
  Speaker 5: Before we break, the NFL trade deadline is coming up.
• 41:12
  Speaker 5: We're hearing there's a trade.
• 41:13
  Speaker 3: Not your Eagles, but.
• 41:15
  Speaker 2: But, okay, we got the Seahawks are now acquiring left
• 41:19
  Speaker 2: guard Quentin Nelson from the Colts for, I'm hearing now,
• 41:22
  Speaker 2: a third round and a fifth round.
• 41:24
  Speaker 4: We'll double-check that compensation.
• 41:26
  Speaker 2: Now, Quentin Nelson is traditionally the best guard in the NFL.
• 41:29
  Speaker 5: Yeah, he's a first ballot Hall of Famer. He's played
• 41:31
  Speaker 5: nothing but perfect out of Notre Dame. They got everything
• 41:33
  Speaker 5: out of him. He's still very expensive. This is a
• 41:36
  Speaker 5: Colts saying, hey, we're not doing anything with this guy.
• 41:38
  Speaker 5: Give him a chance to play elsewhere. And this is
• 41:40
  Speaker 5: a Seahawks team. You can't acquire another running back, but
• 41:43
  Speaker 5: you could help the running backs you have.
• 41:45
  Speaker 4: Absolutely. Well, you could acquire another running back. As an
• 41:47
  Speaker 4: Eagles fan, I'll give you Saquon.
• 41:49
  Speaker 3: They should ask for Jonathan Taylor as well.
• 41:50
  Speaker 4: Yeah, Jonathan Taylor has been linked to them. So here's
• 41:53
  Speaker 4: the issue, though.
• 41:54
  Speaker 2: If you are Indianapolis, what are you tanking for? Your
• 41:57
  Speaker 2: pick is in New York because of Sauce Gardner. So
• 42:00
  Speaker 2: it's a very interesting situation. I think that's why they
• 42:02
  Speaker 2: want to get some picks back. But this is not
• 42:04
  Speaker 2: a first-round pick. I'm actually surprised. I would have thought
• 42:06
  Speaker 2: the compensation.
• 42:07
  Speaker 4: Would be more.
• 42:07
  Speaker 5: Yeah, you're trying to fix a mess because the Sauce Gardner,
• 42:09
  Speaker 5: you gave up way too much for Sauce because you're
• 42:11
  Speaker 5: trying to win last year. I think this is a, hey,
• 42:14
  Speaker 5: let's not kid each other. We're not competitive now. We're
• 42:16
  Speaker 5: probably not going to be competitive next year.
• 42:17
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but if they tank and they lose out, Paul,
• 42:20
  Speaker 2: it's going to be very depressing to watch the Jets
• 42:22
  Speaker 2: make their pick. I'm hearing also our producer Scott says
• 42:25
  Speaker 2: that it's a rental.
• 42:26
  Speaker 4: Because he's a free agent at the end of the year.
• 42:27
  Speaker 4: But he's a great player.
• 42:28
  Speaker 5: Oh, that's a great rental. The Seahawks are just trying
• 42:31
  Speaker 5: to win another Super Bowl this year. They don't think
• 42:32
  Speaker 5: about the future. The future is now.
• 42:34
  Speaker 2: And it's funny that that offensive line, which was great
• 42:36
  Speaker 2: last year, has struggled a little bit this year.
• 42:38
  Speaker 4: So that's an impactful trade.
• 42:39
  Speaker 3: All right, coming up next, constructive criticism. And you love it.
• 42:43
  Speaker 4: We do it every week.
• 42:44
  Speaker 5: Done or done done with NFL teams and maybe a
• 42:46
  Speaker 5: baseball team.
• 42:47
  Speaker 3: Stick around. Not so fast. I love breaking news.
• 42:51
  Speaker 4: Oh, so fun.
• 42:52
  Speaker 3: I love when you got it and I had to
• 42:54
  Speaker 3: wait to hear from you.
• 42:55
  Speaker 2: Don't you think that conversation is a little lower than
• 42:57
  Speaker 2: you would have thought? Quentin Nelson's awesome. All right, welcome
• 43:03
  Speaker 2: back to Not So Fast, Perloff and Paps.
• 43:05
  Speaker 4: We're breaking down the trade news.
• 43:06
  Speaker 2: Quentin Nelson, the all-world guard from Indianapolis, is going to
• 43:10
  Speaker 2: Seattle for a third and a fifth. Now, Nelson's 30
• 43:13
  Speaker 2: years old. They have to pay him at the end
• 43:16
  Speaker 2: of the year. Eight-time Pro Bowler. I still think this
• 43:19
  Speaker 2: is a little low on the compensation side, but I
• 43:21
  Speaker 2: guess the money and the A's have a big factor
• 43:23
  Speaker 2: in this.
• 43:24
  Speaker 4: Listen to this, Paul.
• 43:24
  Speaker 2: The Seahawks were 21st in pass protection in the league
• 43:29
  Speaker 2: and 27th, according to the analytics, in run blocking.
• 43:31
  Speaker 4: Last year, it was all about the run blocking. This year,
• 43:33
  Speaker 4: it hasn't been there.
• 43:34
  Speaker 3: I love this from the Seahawks' side.
• 43:35
  Speaker 5: You're taking advantage of a desperate team in the Colts
• 43:38
  Speaker 5: that gave up draft capital and trying to get it back.
• 43:40
  Speaker 3: You kind of stole Quentin Nelson.
• 43:41
  Speaker 5: You offer him a two- or three-year contract right now
• 43:44
  Speaker 5: and get the back half of his prime.
• 43:46
  Speaker 2: You.
• 43:46
  Speaker 5: Completely, you know, a third and a fifth, that doesn't
• 43:49
  Speaker 5: help the Seahawks in their quest to win another Super Bowl.
• 43:51
  Speaker 5: This guy helps you right now, this week, starting this week.
• 43:54
  Speaker 2: And you've got to wonder, too, does this mean Jonathan Taylor,
• 43:56
  Speaker 2: the running back from Indianapolis, is for sale?
• 43:58
  Speaker 4: I would imagine so.
• 43:59
  Speaker 3: You would have to because you don't do one without
• 44:01
  Speaker 3: the other.
• 44:01
  Speaker 5: If you're going to hold on to Jonathan Taylor out
• 44:03
  Speaker 5: of nostalgia because he was such a great player for you,
• 44:05
  Speaker 5: Quentin Nelson's first ballot.
• 44:07
  Speaker 4: Yeah, Quentin Nelson's great.
• 44:08
  Speaker 2: And, you know, guard play is more important than ever.
• 44:10
  Speaker 4: That's what the guy, experts say. That's what they say.
• 44:12
  Speaker 7: Okay.
• 44:12
  Speaker 2: All right, let's do a segment here we call Done Done.
• 44:16
  Speaker 3: Right, not just one done. It's got to be two done.
• 44:18
  Speaker 4: Yeah, well, you know it when a team is done done.
• 44:21
  Speaker 2: Okay, after week five, Paul and I have declared the Cardinals,
• 44:23
  Speaker 2: the Dolphins, the Titans, the Chargers, and the Jets as
• 44:26
  Speaker 2: done done. Right. Now we have to look at the
• 44:28
  Speaker 2: teams in purgatory, the Eagles and the Saints.
• 44:31
  Speaker 4: Paul, I'll let you take it.
• 44:32
  Speaker 5: I'm going to pause on the Eagles, and they're so
• 44:35
  Speaker 5: close to done because this season is clearly not going
• 44:37
  Speaker 5: to work out, and they're not going to do anything.
• 44:39
  Speaker 5: But that division is so wonky, and Tanner McKee could
• 44:42
  Speaker 5: go on a little bit of a run. I think
• 44:43
  Speaker 5: I'm being hopeful. I'm going to give them another week
• 44:45
  Speaker 5: in purgatory, which doesn't sound so great. But with this game,
• 44:48
  Speaker 5: it actually is a good thing.
• 44:49
  Speaker 4: I'm going triple done on the Eagles.
• 44:51
  Speaker 2: Wow.
• 44:51
  Speaker 4: Beyond undone.
• 44:52
  Speaker 2: The second that Saquon Barkley made that big run and
• 44:54
  Speaker 2: grabbed for his hamstring last night, I said this season
• 44:57
  Speaker 2: is over. They're going to have to rest Saquon Barkley.
• 45:00
  Speaker 3: Triple dog there.
• 45:01
  Speaker 4: And it's not their fault. It's just health. What about
• 45:02
  Speaker 4: the Saints? Because the Saints look bad.
• 45:04
  Speaker 2: They could have come back and won that game against
• 45:06
  Speaker 2: the Steelers, but I can't put anyone in the NFC
• 45:09
  Speaker 2: South as done done. Yes.
• 45:10
  Speaker 5: That whole division, you're not done done until late December.
• 45:13
  Speaker 3: So Saints are okay.
• 45:14
  Speaker 2: Let's go.
• 45:14
  Speaker 5: How about the Houston Texans? They started to come back,
• 45:17
  Speaker 5: and then they lost last week.
• 45:20
  Speaker 4: Two and five, it's bad, bad.
• 45:21
  Speaker 2: But I am not going to say done, done, because
• 45:24
  Speaker 2: they did this last year. They came back from a
• 45:26
  Speaker 2: hole and made the playoffs. They still are so talented.
• 45:28
  Speaker 2: How you lose to New York at home, I don't understand.
• 45:31
  Speaker 2: Should have won the game.
• 45:32
  Speaker 4: C.J.
• 45:32
  Speaker 2: Stroud is still putting up some good football. I think
• 45:35
  Speaker 2: the defense comes around. I'm not optimistic, but I'm not
• 45:38
  Speaker 2: saying done, done.
• 45:39
  Speaker 5: They're not done, done, but they're super weird in the
• 45:42
  Speaker 5: fact that they were supposed to have the best defense
• 45:43
  Speaker 5: in football, and they haven't had one great game on
• 45:46
  Speaker 5: defense yet. You know, like, I know the Titans, but
• 45:49
  Speaker 5: that doesn't really count.
• 45:50
  Speaker 3: That's a hall pass. So, no.
• 45:52
  Speaker 5: How about, let's go with the, now let's go to
• 45:53
  Speaker 5: the Raiders. Raiders started pretty good. Big losing streak. They're
• 45:57
  Speaker 5: going to stay with the Cousins. You can't Dun Dun them,
• 45:59
  Speaker 5: can you?
• 46:00
  Speaker 4: Dun Dun.
• 46:00
  Speaker 2: Dun Dun.
• 46:02
  Speaker 4: Raiders aren't going anywhere. What are we doing here?
• 46:04
  Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean, listen, they're already going to be boxed
• 46:06
  Speaker 2: out by the Chiefs and the Broncos and the AFC West.
• 46:09
  Speaker 2: Then you've got all these AFC North teams who are
• 46:11
  Speaker 2: playing the NFC South and getting nothing but wins. You're
• 46:14
  Speaker 2: telling me they're going to knock off Cincinnati or Baltimore? No.
• 46:17
  Speaker 5: I'm going to give them a purgatory one week because
• 46:20
  Speaker 5: I like Kirk Cousins and his shopping tendencies.
• 46:21
  Speaker 4: I'm a little more aggressive on these dun-duns. I'm giving dun-dun.
• 46:25
  Speaker 3: Last one, the Commanders.
• 46:27
  Speaker 2: Yeah, this is tricky. They play the Eagles next. Ah, boy,
• 46:31
  Speaker 2: that is the same issue with the division.
• 46:33
  Speaker 3: They could be a done-done team, but their division keeps
• 46:36
  Speaker 3: them alive.
• 46:36
  Speaker 2: Nah, I'm going done-done. I do not see the commanders
• 46:39
  Speaker 2: pulling together. They're old and injury and Jaden Daniels. And
• 46:43
  Speaker 2: the biggest problem with Dan Quinn's team, obviously, is situational football.
• 46:46
  Speaker 2: You think of the Belichick and the Patriots as situational football,
• 46:49
  Speaker 2: the exact opposite is the commanders right now.
• 46:52
  Speaker 4: And they're just not talented enough to make up for
• 46:54
  Speaker 4: mistakes like that.
• 46:54
  Speaker 2: You know what?
• 46:55
  Speaker 3: I'm with you.
• 46:56
  Speaker 2: Yeah, they're done-done.
• 46:57
  Speaker 5: No offense, nothing personal. They sure seem like nice people.
• 47:00
  Speaker 5: They're just not good at playing football, and that's really
• 47:02
  Speaker 5: what you have to do in this league is play
• 47:03
  Speaker 5: football better, and we'll get your comments on the air, good, bad,
• 47:06
  Speaker 5: or ugly.
• 47:06
  Speaker 3: Here we go, Pearl. First one.
• 47:09
  Speaker 5: Rank your top five or ten NFL broadcast announcers.
• 47:12
  Speaker 3: I need a month for this.
• 47:16
  Speaker 5: Off the top of my head, I grew up loving
• 47:18
  Speaker 5: Brent Musburger, and when I was a kid to see
• 47:20
  Speaker 5: him on NFL Today, he let off my weekend. Then
• 47:23
  Speaker 5: Brent was college football. I've gotten to meet Brent. He's
• 47:25
  Speaker 5: one of my heroes in the business, and he's a
• 47:27
  Speaker 5: great guy.
• 47:27
  Speaker 4: He's the king.
• 47:28
  Speaker 2: I mean, can we go historical? Does Matt and Summerall?
• 47:31
  Speaker 3: Sure.
• 47:32
  Speaker 2: Because, listen, we know some of these broadcasters. I don't
• 47:35
  Speaker 2: want to say anything bad about any of them, but
• 47:37
  Speaker 2: I'm going classic. Matt and Summerall for me, when Summerall
• 47:40
  Speaker 2: would go, and tonight on Murder, She Wrote, I immediately, oh,
• 47:44
  Speaker 2: I have so much homework to do. It brings back
• 47:46
  Speaker 2: a lot of memories. And I do think there's so
• 47:47
  Speaker 2: many good announcers right now. We're friends.
• 47:50
  Speaker 4: Your buddy, J.J. Watt, our friend, Ross Tucker.
• 47:52
  Speaker 3: We may have to do this in the offseason, really
• 47:54
  Speaker 3: deep dive.
• 47:55
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think there are a lot of good announcers
• 47:57
  Speaker 2: right now. And I got to tell you, on the news,
• 47:59
  Speaker 2: I do like Troy Aikman and Joe Buck. They're very
• 48:01
  Speaker 2: good together. And Chris Collinsworth is on fire right now.
• 48:04
  Speaker 2: He's predicting calls like there's no tomorrow.
• 48:06
  Speaker 5: I never got upset on Sunday nights because I didn't
• 48:07
  Speaker 5: do homework. All right, next one, constructor criticism. Since every
• 48:10
  Speaker 5: part of the center is under the quarterback, shouldn't be
• 48:13
  Speaker 5: said that the quarterback is over center.
• 48:17
  Speaker 2: But aren't his hands below the most important part?
• 48:21
  Speaker 3: Yeah, the nether region.
• 48:22
  Speaker 4: Yeah, he's not under. If he was over, he wouldn't
• 48:25
  Speaker 4: get the football.
• 48:26
  Speaker 3: He'd have to be like this to be under center,
• 48:27
  Speaker 3: like that.
• 48:29
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 48:30
  Speaker 3: I'm going to stick with it. I know what the
• 48:31
  Speaker 3: point is. Semantics, I see what he's saying.
• 48:34
  Speaker 4: Yeah, because he's standing over him.
• 48:35
  Speaker 2: But the most important exchange is the, well, I don't
• 48:39
  Speaker 2: want to get too graphic.
• 48:39
  Speaker 5: We'll have to chop that up a little more after
• 48:41
  Speaker 5: the show.
• 48:41
  Speaker 3: Good question, though. Keep them coming. It's time for the
• 48:43
  Speaker 3: feel-good here. We're going to go back to the ballpark.
• 48:46
  Speaker 3: Check this out.
• 48:48
  Speaker 5: Braves reliever Brandon Woodruff. He's been injured most of the season.
• 48:53
  Speaker 5: Nice 10-1 lead. Let's bring him back in. Let him
• 48:55
  Speaker 5: get some run with his shoulder issues. He gets it done.
• 48:59
  Speaker 4: Very nice.
• 49:00
  Speaker 5: Celebrating with his family back in Tampa where he started
• 49:02
  Speaker 5: his career.
• 49:03
  Speaker 3: Look at that kid. He's going to Starbucks.
• 49:07
  Speaker 4: Oh, is that another one in the baby carriage?
• 49:10
  Speaker 2: Aw.
• 49:10
  Speaker 3: Look at that guy trying to hijack the moment in
• 49:12
  Speaker 3: the background.
• 49:12
  Speaker 2: It's still not as good as Justin Verlander when his
• 49:14
  Speaker 2: daughter ran out, but it's good.
• 49:16
  Speaker 3: Sure was.
• 49:16
  Speaker 4: All right.
• 49:16
  Speaker 5: Tune in tomorrow to Us Not So Fast right after
• 49:19
  Speaker 5: the Dan Patch Show. But make sure you tune in
• 49:20
  Speaker 5: to the Dan Patch Show tomorrow. Charles Barkley and Steve
• 49:23
  Speaker 5: Young on the show.
• 49:24
  Speaker 3: Tune in. Then come hang with us. Enjoy the baseball tonight,
• 49:28
  Speaker 3: Brewers fans.