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The New World Order · Conspiracy! The Show

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  Speaker 1: Destroy wait true insurance good, I'm true good troth, I'm
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  Speaker 1: a checkup both good true. It is Waits week.
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  Speaker 2: Hey, everybody, welcome to Conspiracy the Show. I'm your host,
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  Speaker 2: Adam Todd Brown joining me as guest co host this week.
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  Speaker 2: This is a designy Hey, thanks for having me. Thank
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  Speaker 2: you for doing it. I appreciate it. This is your
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  Speaker 2: second conspiracy podcast, right, yeah, correct. You were on the
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  Speaker 2: episode about whether the government is hiding free energy from us,
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  Speaker 2: very meaty topic, a topic I came up with because
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  Speaker 2: you were on the On Pops podcast and brought it up. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: the week before we recorded that. Yeah, that was an
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  Speaker 2: interesting episode. It's doing really well and now you're.
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  Speaker 1: Back to talk about the New World Order nWo.
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  Speaker 2: We will probably spend about twenty five to thirty episodes
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  Speaker 2: on this.
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  Speaker 1: Goddamn, this is a thirty part episode.
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  Speaker 2: This is the mother of all conspiracy theories.
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  Speaker 1: This is You can have a whole season on this.
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  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, definitely, and we might. I could I do
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  Speaker 2: that with podcasts sometimes I'll just split out a bunch
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  Speaker 2: of episodes and make them like their own podcast, and
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  Speaker 2: the New World Order could definitely be one because it's
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  Speaker 2: it's a conspiracy that's been around since like the nineteen hundreds,
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  Speaker 2: early nineteen hundreds.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, and it's it's almost like a genre of conspiracies
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  Speaker 1: because they're different conspiracies about what that New World Order is. Right. Ultimately,
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  Speaker 1: it's like someone wants to rule the world, isn't there
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  Speaker 1: song everybody? Yeah, wants to rule though?
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  Speaker 2: Two Tears for Fears, Tears for Fears, Yeah, known agents
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  Speaker 2: of the New World Order, Tears for Fears. We're onto you.
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  Speaker 1: And so it's just yeah, I guess calling it the
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  Speaker 1: mother of all theories is I see why that can
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  Speaker 1: be ed conspiracy and it it.
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  Speaker 2: Kind of encompasses all the other conspiracies, Like as we
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  Speaker 2: get into it, the Illuminati comes up, a bunch ye Freemasons,
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  Speaker 2: the New Age Movement, communism, George Bush, Gang is all
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  Speaker 2: fucking here.
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  Speaker 1: But you know, is it How coordinated are all of
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  Speaker 1: these things? What is the organizational structure? You know in
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  Speaker 1: the shadow government?
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  Speaker 2: That's what we are, That's what I feel like we
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  Speaker 2: all want to know.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, who's sitting at the table?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, who are the Depending on the conspiracies you believe,
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  Speaker 2: who are the twelve to six thousand people.
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  Speaker 1: Who rule them? Are they aliens. Are they Jewish people?
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  Speaker 2: Are they Jewish?
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  Speaker 1: I love? I love Jewish people. That's why I don't
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  Speaker 1: I don't get why people are so hard, Like why
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  Speaker 1: does everyone go in and want a scapegoat them? Historically
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  Speaker 1: it's very confusing.
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  Speaker 2: It would be interesting to look back on how that
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  Speaker 2: all started, because it seems like they've been our traditional
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  Speaker 2: scapegoat for a long time.
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  Speaker 1: Maybe it's because it's easy because historically they have been,
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  Speaker 1: so it's like, okay, well.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah this worked before, and probably a religious thing too.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I just think we were talking earlier. I'm a
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  Speaker 1: very live and let live type of person, so I
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  Speaker 1: just again the everyone wanting to or not everyone, but
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  Speaker 1: like you know, people wanting to exert control over things
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  Speaker 1: outside of themselves, other people who have a will of
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  Speaker 1: their own. It's just it's not how I'm wired, right, But.
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  Speaker 2: I think it is kind of a natural tendency. Yeah, Okay,
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  Speaker 2: there's a lot of people.
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  Speaker 1: I'll take that back about saying that's not how I'm wired.
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  Speaker 1: I understand it, but like to that level, can you
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  Speaker 1: imagine the depth of insecurity where you're like I want
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  Speaker 1: I need to rule the world.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, Like like wow, that's That's why if I put
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  Speaker 2: any one group in charge of this, it's definitely white people,
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  Speaker 2: Like we're the insecure ones in the world.
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  Speaker 1: And whyte that?
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  Speaker 2: I think it's a demographics thing and the idea that
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  Speaker 2: at some point the United States and other nations that
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  Speaker 2: are a majority white country won't be at some point,
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  Speaker 2: and that's a thing we know is going to happen.
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  Speaker 2: And I feel like that's what a lot of the
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  Speaker 2: unrest and uneasiness among white nationalist types is about. I
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  Speaker 2: think it's as fucking simple as that.
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  Speaker 1: Well, it's just you're holding on to something superficial and
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  Speaker 1: you just don't want dominant genetics to you know, because
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  Speaker 1: most of the time darker hair Trump's lighter hair genetically speaking. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: So it's like, are they afraid of losing their complexion?
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  Speaker 2: I think I think that's part of it. Like we
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  Speaker 2: on the next episode, we're going to talk about a
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  Speaker 2: group called the Lucius Trust, which they're a uh uh.
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  Speaker 2: They're basically the reason conservatives say liberals worship Satan. And
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  Speaker 2: one of the things that that group talks about is
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  Speaker 2: this point in the future where not only are there
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  Speaker 2: no governments or religions, well there's one government, one religion,
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  Speaker 2: but there's also just one race. That sounds so boring
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  Speaker 2: because we've all been fucking and now we're all just
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  Speaker 2: a mishmash of each other and there working tool, but.
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  Speaker 1: Just just homogeneous society. I don't know. I'm really drawn
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  Speaker 1: to diversity, and that's why.
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  Speaker 2: That's what I don't like about France. People always hold
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  Speaker 2: up France as this ideal version of a country, and
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  Speaker 2: there's a reason people drive trucks through farmers' markets in France,
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  Speaker 2: and it's because their system of integrating people into French
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  Speaker 2: society is very dehumanizing, where once you're French, you're French.
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  Speaker 2: It doesn't matter what kind of family background you have,
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  Speaker 2: it doesn't matter what your religious symbols and traditions are.
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  Speaker 2: It's an exclusive club, right, and it's a thing where
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  Speaker 2: they're like, well, we treat everyone the same. It's but
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  Speaker 2: do you, Because if people aren't allowed to express the
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  Speaker 2: customs and traditions of their heritage, you're not really treating
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  Speaker 2: everyone the same. Of course French people can, they're from
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  Speaker 2: France and that's their history and tradition. But to bring
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  Speaker 2: people in and say, okay, now our history is your history,
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  Speaker 2: and the rest of that shit doesn't really matter. That's
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  Speaker 2: not ideal at all.
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  Speaker 1: It's just crazy, crazy to me when people try to
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  Speaker 1: like try to hold on to the past with their teeth,
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  Speaker 1: when all that's gonna happen is you're gonna die at
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  Speaker 1: some point. So it's just like you're trying to control
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  Speaker 1: this world for what. Yeah, because it is vanity, Like
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  Speaker 1: you want your grandkids to do the same mindless rituals
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  Speaker 1: and listen to you know, It's just it's it's control.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's control. And I understand why people are opposed
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  Speaker 2: to the idea of one world government. I think I'm
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  Speaker 2: opposed to it. But it's also understandable why people have
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  Speaker 2: been pushing this idea for so long because the world
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  Speaker 2: has been on fire forever, Like there have been be
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  Speaker 2: it World War one, world War two, which is when
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  Speaker 2: a lot of this talk starts. There have been all
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  Speaker 2: these huge global conflicts that have killed so many people.
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  Speaker 2: It's natural that there would be a segment of society
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  Speaker 2: that would be like, all right, how about we come
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  Speaker 2: up with an idea that ends war.
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  Speaker 1: But is that the motive? That's the thing is, it
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  Speaker 1: doesn't seem like that's the motive behind nWo right, and
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  Speaker 1: for all of the you know, like the theories within
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  Speaker 1: the theory.
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  Speaker 2: Right, the it depends on what because then we receive war, Yeah, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: we would.
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  Speaker 1: War is not necessarily we don't have a better form
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  Speaker 1: of conflict resolution than like than killing people. Like that's
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  Speaker 1: that's nuts.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah?
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  Speaker 1: Am I nuts for thinking that's nuts?
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  Speaker 2: No? I don't think so. I think a lot of
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  Speaker 2: people that way. And yeah, I get the knee the
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  Speaker 2: desire to not want war anymore, but it's also unrealistic
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  Speaker 2: and it's a the kind of thing that could only
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  Speaker 2: happen sort of the way conspiracy theorists think it's gonna happen,
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  Speaker 2: where it would have to be a very controlling and
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  Speaker 2: sort of oppressive society where we all live by the
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  Speaker 2: same rules. Like in a society like that, what happens
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  Speaker 2: if you don't live by those rules? Like what if
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  Speaker 2: you deviate from it? Then what's the punishment?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah?
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  Speaker 2: And I think that's at the heart of a lot
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  Speaker 2: of this. But it's does Earth deal with this?
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  Speaker 1: I feel like we're like lice, kind of like just
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  Speaker 1: itchy lice.
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  Speaker 2: On Earth, And I think that's how Earth deals with
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  Speaker 2: it is every once in a while we just get
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  Speaker 2: wiped out and start over. Like it's happened before, it'll
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  Speaker 2: happen again, probably before the next election, who knows.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, I'm not that cynical, only because there's more
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  Speaker 1: shit I want to do before the next election or
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  Speaker 1: at and after. But yeah, it's it's the whole world
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  Speaker 1: being on fire. Things kind of confusing because it's like, well, well,
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  Speaker 1: you know, as a you know, as a species, we're
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  Speaker 1: putting it on fire. So you know, yeah, that's if
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  Speaker 1: we don't want the world on fire, we got to
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  Speaker 1: stop putting it on fire.
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  Speaker 2: You know. Yeah, we could try that, you could try
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  Speaker 2: just not not doing those things. But yeah, let's take it,
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  Speaker 2: take a shot at a one world government instead. We'll
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  Speaker 2: see how it works out.
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  Speaker 1: It's just for me, it's just the motive is power
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  Speaker 1: and control that, oh for sure. It's you know, of course,
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  Speaker 1: I'm sure to get people to drink the kool aid.
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  Speaker 2: You know.
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  Speaker 1: The marketing is not going to be like help make
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  Speaker 1: help keep us rich. It's going to be like better world, right,
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  Speaker 1: that's probably what the Nazis or Hitler said, better world.
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  Speaker 2: You know, yeah, the Nazis actually come up in this.
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  Speaker 2: People know how to market, not especially the Nazis. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: they were great at branding.
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  Speaker 1: Great at branding, and I think the US government took
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  Speaker 1: some tips from them.
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  Speaker 2: Oh Operation paper Clip. I don't know if we've done
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  Speaker 2: an episode about Operation paper Clip. Oh yeah, yeah, but
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  Speaker 2: that was when we brought all the Nazi scientists over
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  Speaker 2: because what could go wrong? Why wouldn't we want our
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  Speaker 2: hands in that shit? Uh? So, Yeah, this conspiracy theory,
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  Speaker 2: I call it the mother of all conspiracies because the
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  Speaker 2: the end goal, at least what people who pushed this
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  Speaker 2: idea claim the end goal is, is that when this happens,
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  Speaker 2: it's going to be hailed as the culmination of all
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  Speaker 2: of history's progress. Like this is what everything good in
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  Speaker 2: society and bad has been building up to, is this
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  Speaker 2: enlightened version of the world where we all live by
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  Speaker 2: the same idea, in the same goals.
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  Speaker 1: And it uh sounds like a marketing It sounds a story, Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: it really does.
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  Speaker 2: It sounds like.
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  Speaker 1: Because why, you know, I don't believe in the whole
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  Speaker 1: one size fits all for everybody right now, Like if
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  Speaker 1: someone doesn't like their government, it's nice to have an
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  Speaker 1: option or the you know it, it's nice to be
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  Speaker 1: able to go somewhere else.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, and that is a thing that would definitely go
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  Speaker 2: away under a system like this if you.
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  Speaker 1: You couldn't be off the grid.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's and that's a thing technology plays a big
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  Speaker 2: part in it, where there are people who think that
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  Speaker 2: all of the technological advances we're making are just building
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  Speaker 2: up to the society where we're controlled through technology. And
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  Speaker 2: we've done an episode about five G Internet before and
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  Speaker 2: how people think that is going to just be this
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  Speaker 2: big system of mind control basically, which, how.
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  Speaker 1: Does that what does that look like?
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  Speaker 2: Well, it's it's a wild theory. But the thing it
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  Speaker 2: kind of just plays into the fact that as of
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  Speaker 2: right now, we're all technically cyborgs because we have a
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  Speaker 2: phone attached to our hand at all times that gives
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  Speaker 2: us access to an untold amount of knowledge.
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  Speaker 1: Well, that's our cloud. That's our cloud. I don't like
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  Speaker 1: there's so many Like I used to be a great speller.
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  Speaker 1: I don't need to because there's autograph. I used to
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  Speaker 1: probably keep a lot more things present in my mind before.
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  Speaker 1: Now I'm like, well I can make you know.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't need to. I have Google it, two
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  Speaker 2: phone numbers memorized. Now I used to memorize every phone
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  Speaker 2: number now, uh, my girlfriend In case I go to
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  Speaker 2: jail and need to be bailed out, I have to
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  Speaker 2: have at least one phone number memorized. And my ex
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  Speaker 2: girlfriend's husband because I use his phone number as my
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  Speaker 2: Ralph's reward oh number, and I have the entire time
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  Speaker 2: I've lived in LS, So I got three.
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  Speaker 1: I have in an ex who I was with for
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  Speaker 1: a long time because I also use his number as
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  Speaker 1: my for my CVS rewards.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, there it is, and maybe Ralph's I don't or no,
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  Speaker 2: I'm wrong, Von's is who I use his for. You.
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  Speaker 1: You have my own for Vaughan's, I think I don't
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  Speaker 1: know if if by it doesn't work, I just try
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  Speaker 1: as And then my parents' home phone number because that
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  Speaker 1: was my phone number growing up. And I think my
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  Speaker 1: dad's because he was the first one to have a
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  Speaker 1: cell phone. So yeah, just those three.
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  Speaker 2: You still have the same phone number from childhood.
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  Speaker 1: What's that like a home Yeah, I mean everyone has
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  Speaker 1: a cell phone, so it's just like landlines are. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: connection is much better off landlines.
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  Speaker 2: I have a landline here, but I don't have a
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  Speaker 2: landline phone. It just came with my internet. Oh, Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: I should start using that shit giving out my landline
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  Speaker 2: to people like a fucking time traveler. That would be great.
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  Speaker 2: Uh So, Yeah, the elevator pitch, I think we've already
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  Speaker 2: kind of covered it. But the elevator pitch for the
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  Speaker 2: New World Order is that a secretive group of elites
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  Speaker 2: are conspiring to rule the entire world by way of
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  Speaker 2: an authoritarian world government which will replace sovereign nation states,
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  Speaker 2: and whose ideology hails the establishment of the New World
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  Speaker 2: Order as the culmination of history's progress.
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  Speaker 1: And I hear authoritarian, and I hear elite and progress.
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  Speaker 1: Doesn't you know, how does that lead? What's the correlation
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  Speaker 1: there with progress?
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  Speaker 2: The Well, I think the what they're getting at with
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  Speaker 2: that definition is that it's not really progress, it's just
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  Speaker 2: being sold as progress marketing, yeah, when it's actually propaganda
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  Speaker 2: more like enslavement, yeah, or something like that. And it's
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  Speaker 2: a conspiracy that pretty much everyone in history has been
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  Speaker 2: accused of being involved with the fact that you and
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  Speaker 2: I aren't enthusiastically supporting this idea, we're part of it now,
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  Speaker 2: like we are part of the global elite pushing this
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  Speaker 2: agenda or trying to convince people.
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  Speaker 1: It's not real, we're part of it by talking about it.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I guarantee like there will be there would
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  Speaker 2: be people who would hear this and go, oh, well,
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  Speaker 2: they're just agents of the New World Order for saying
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  Speaker 2: they don't believe it.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, So well it's not I don't. It's not I
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  Speaker 1: don't believe it or I believe it. I do think
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  Speaker 1: powerful people want a lot of powerful people want to
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  Speaker 1: keep their wealth and their control. And if you already
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  Speaker 1: you know, if if these group of white men who
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  Speaker 1: you know are feeling nostalogic about the days of imperialism
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  Speaker 1: are hanging out, yeah, like, well you know, I don't
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  Speaker 1: think that's right outside the realm of possibility at all.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't think this is impossible, and I don't
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  Speaker 2: think it's like I said, I don't know that it's.
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  Speaker 1: Well I was gonna say, I don't know that it's
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  Speaker 1: that organized. But I think lots of people want to
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  Speaker 1: rule the world, and there's different elite groups.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think the thing I don't and some of
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  Speaker 2: them are probably friends. Like, as we get into this,
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  Speaker 2: there's a lot of different versions of this, and it's
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  Speaker 2: almost like a religion where there are so many different religions,
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  Speaker 2: you're like, what do I choose? Which one's right? And
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  Speaker 2: the new World Order is the same thing where you
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  Speaker 2: could see it as, yes, there's a group of people
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  Speaker 2: who want to change the world in a way that
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  Speaker 2: would involve one consciousness in one government and one rule
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  Speaker 2: of law. And those people might actually just be like
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  Speaker 2: really peaceful hippie New age types who are like, hey, man,
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  Speaker 2: let's end war. But then there's all war is different.
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  Speaker 1: From and a collective consciousness and unity is different than
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  Speaker 1: want than controlling people. There can be unity and everyone
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  Speaker 1: can in diversity, there can be unit like we could
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  Speaker 1: you know. So it's it. It leaves a bad taste
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  Speaker 1: in my mouth, this whole like try it sounds so boring,
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  Speaker 1: it really is.
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  Speaker 2: And what's it's weird. What's weird about it to me
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  Speaker 2: is especially when you're talking about people on the far
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  Speaker 2: right who push this, it's like they want they also
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  Speaker 2: want a one world type of system. They just want
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  Speaker 2: it to all be white people basically, and white history.
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  Speaker 2: And that's what when you get into like what the
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  Speaker 2: alt right actually believes, it's stuff like well, every country
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  Speaker 2: should be able to embrace their their own history, whatever
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  Speaker 2: that history is and by the way, United States, that's
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  Speaker 2: white history, and.
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  Speaker 1: It's just you know, it's like come on, yeah, And as.
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  Speaker 2: You get to each country, fucking throwing.
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  Speaker 1: Native to the land. You know, it's just so much delusion,
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  Speaker 1: and it's just like, I don't understand the priority of
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  Speaker 1: needing to I don't know. I guess I'm someone who
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  Speaker 1: I try to embrace change in evolving evolutions. So it's
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  Speaker 1: just like, yeah, people holding on to the past, just
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  Speaker 1: like with their teeth, you know, like it's it's so odd,
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  Speaker 1: it is, but.
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  Speaker 2: It also is a it's it's just a streak that
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  Speaker 2: a lot of people are born with this, and if.
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  Speaker 1: You're raised in it too, it's just you know, you're
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  Speaker 1: it's you're sharing the programming.
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  Speaker 2: And with each generation you see it the most with
• 18:12
  Speaker 2: really conservative types, and I don't just mean conservatives in
• 18:16
  Speaker 2: the United States. If you look at all of these
• 18:19
  Speaker 2: countries where fascist movements are popping up, it's places like
• 18:24
  Speaker 2: Hungary where they for a long time had this very
• 18:28
  Speaker 2: liberal government in place that was all about diversity and inclusion,
• 18:32
  Speaker 2: and then there was this underbelly that was like wait,
• 18:34
  Speaker 2: Hungary has been a very traditional religious society for a
• 18:39
  Speaker 2: long time, and you're ignoring us. And what happens is
• 18:43
  Speaker 2: as those two groups start moving further apart, that conservative
• 18:48
  Speaker 2: group starts feeling okay, well, now our entire history is
• 18:51
  Speaker 2: just being erased, and it ends up being this big
• 18:55
  Speaker 2: swing in the opposite direction, where that small minority group
• 18:58
  Speaker 2: that at one point rep presented the entire country is
• 19:01
  Speaker 2: now like, all right, let's get back to what this
• 19:03
  Speaker 2: country used to be, which is all white people. And
• 19:07
  Speaker 2: then they good old days, right, right, And then they
• 19:09
  Speaker 2: try to sell it as what's wrong with that? Like
• 19:12
  Speaker 2: where could why can't we support our history? And it's like,
• 19:15
  Speaker 2: because you're talking about killing people.
• 19:17
  Speaker 1: It's because it's at the expense of other people, right,
• 19:21
  Speaker 1: And yeah, that this if you, I don't understand how
• 19:25
  Speaker 1: you can't maintain your own history. Maintain your own history,
• 19:28
  Speaker 1: keep your cultural That's what the rest of us do.
• 19:30
  Speaker 1: I'm an immigrants kid, right, you know, if my parents
• 19:33
  Speaker 1: want to keep their you you, but yeah, maybe it's inconvenient.
• 19:37
  Speaker 2: I think that's definitely part of it.
• 19:39
  Speaker 1: Maybe they're terrified that their kid will be an independent
• 19:42
  Speaker 1: thinker and fall in love with a like a woman
• 19:46
  Speaker 1: of color.
• 19:46
  Speaker 2: Or something, you know, like God forbid.
• 19:48
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and then you know, what are what are the
• 19:50
  Speaker 1: guy's grandkids going to look like? Not him?
• 19:54
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and I do think it's not an you know,
• 19:57
  Speaker 2: it's it's in that's the thing.
• 19:59
  Speaker 1: It's like when you we got to talk about this shit,
• 20:02
  Speaker 1: it's fucking incest. When people want to keep within their
• 20:06
  Speaker 1: ethnic group. It's scientifically proven. Nature didn't like that, right,
• 20:13
  Speaker 1: Yeah it is. But that's how you keep your light
• 20:16
  Speaker 1: skin and your blue eyes, I guess, your recessive genes.
• 20:19
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's how you keep all that in place. And
• 20:22
  Speaker 2: it does I mean, I mean, but I mean it
• 20:25
  Speaker 2: does feel like that. Like yeah, I know people are
• 20:28
  Speaker 2: like like, there will be people who listen to this
• 20:30
  Speaker 2: and are like like, we'll we'll argue against the idea
• 20:33
  Speaker 2: that that's what this is. But when you look into
• 20:36
  Speaker 2: the earliest origins of this theory, it all comes back
• 20:40
  Speaker 2: to one thing. Jews again.
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: We it's historically it's history scapegoat.
• 20:47
  Speaker 2: Right, and it's this. What this theory does, ultimately is
• 20:52
  Speaker 2: it gives people an enemy when there's no other enemy
• 20:57
  Speaker 2: to be found.
• 20:59
  Speaker 1: So lazy, yeah, like the really we're going to go
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: back to that.
• 21:02
  Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, there's always the New World Order to fall
• 21:05
  Speaker 2: back on and it used to be communism. Yeah, and
• 21:09
  Speaker 2: when communism fell, like the New World Order was originally
• 21:13
  Speaker 2: as people pushed it, a communist plot, and then communism
• 21:17
  Speaker 2: fell and people were like, oh shit, okay, now it's
• 21:20
  Speaker 2: just globalists. Now it's and we all know that term
• 21:24
  Speaker 2: pretty well. But so the let's go through some of
• 21:27
  Speaker 2: the history of this term. During the twentieth century, it
• 21:31
  Speaker 2: was used by people like Woodrow Wilson and Winston Churchill
• 21:36
  Speaker 2: when referring to a period of history characterized by dramatic
• 21:41
  Speaker 2: change in world political thought and in the global balance
• 21:45
  Speaker 2: of power.
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: But wasn't in a derogative devatory sense.
• 21:48
  Speaker 2: That's the directory.
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it was.
• 21:50
  Speaker 2: This was post World War one, first post World War two.
• 21:54
  Speaker 1: So they weren't scapegoating and wo it was this one
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: no pitch.
• 21:58
  Speaker 2: They were basically in both case is saying, all right,
• 22:01
  Speaker 2: look what we've just been through. We have been through
• 22:03
  Speaker 2: a literal world war. The entire world was at war.
• 22:07
  Speaker 2: Maybe we need to be working towards something that is
• 22:10
  Speaker 2: the opposite of.
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: That question for you. Yes, So at that point in time,
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: was war profitable? Was war profitable? Or war? Was war
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: actually a form of conflict resolution? Because it's not conflict
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: resolution anymore. No, maybe it is between like a couple
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: of rich guys. They're like, yeah, we'll go to war,
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: but it's.
• 22:28
  Speaker 2: The it's conflict or resolution. But it's like business conflict.
• 22:33
  Speaker 2: So was it that financial conflict?
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: Was it that at that period of time?
• 22:36
  Speaker 2: Do you know? I don't know, but I kind of
• 22:39
  Speaker 2: get the sense that World War two is where we
• 22:42
  Speaker 2: realized war could be profitable and where we started to
• 22:46
  Speaker 2: understand that being in a perpetual state of war could
• 22:50
  Speaker 2: make us money. Because if you exclude well, no, not
• 22:54
  Speaker 2: even the early nineties, Like, at what point since World
• 22:57
  Speaker 2: War Two have we not been involved in some kind
• 23:00
  Speaker 2: of conflict, Like we got right into Korea after that
• 23:04
  Speaker 2: and then Vietnam.
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: Why we're always why are we always beefing as a
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: nation because we.
• 23:09
  Speaker 2: Like spending money on tanks? I think that's really all
• 23:12
  Speaker 2: it is.
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: I mean, if they could do war without actually killing people,
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: Like can they just like go in a room and
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: break shit? You know, Like, why why are we gonna
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: kill everyone?
• 23:20
  Speaker 2: We tried that with drones, where at least we're not
• 23:23
  Speaker 2: being killed.
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: Yeah, well we still are killing other people.
• 23:26
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Yeah, if war should be robots, the military in
• 23:30
  Speaker 2: the NFL should both be robots. Yeah, that'd be great.
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: And if you robots are taking all the players are like,
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: robots are taking their jobs. Don't say that, but like, yeah,
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: I think yeah. And then you can spend money making
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: your robots just so you can destroy them so you
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: can make and then you have your your I love
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: that idea.
• 23:48
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I would be all for it. If war was
• 23:51
  Speaker 2: just two countries put their fucking robots in an open
• 23:55
  Speaker 2: field to fight it out. War all day, televise it. Yeah,
• 23:59
  Speaker 2: tell me take I will go watch fucking Syria and
• 24:04
  Speaker 2: Iraq's fucking robots. Face.
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: Are all the elite groups listening robot war?
• 24:11
  Speaker 2: I think they're always listening. That's sort of the problem
• 24:14
  Speaker 2: that we're talking about. They're probably in the.
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: Room or I have a Google Home and it'll just
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: I you know, I'll whisper something on the other side
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: of my home and it'll respond and I'm like, oh,
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: you do that.
• 24:27
  Speaker 2: I have one that I haven't ever hooked up. I
• 24:30
  Speaker 2: used to have the Amazon one.
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: My my Alexa.
• 24:34
  Speaker 2: Feeling on that though, is every phone has that built
• 24:37
  Speaker 2: in too, Yeah, so we're all carrying one around.
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: Yeah, there's no se I don't even like, I don't
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: even cover the the camera when I'm watching porn, because
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: what's the point.
• 24:47
  Speaker 2: They already have what they you know, they've got what
• 24:50
  Speaker 2: they need. The internet's been around for so long. Yeah,
• 24:53
  Speaker 2: they are probably already producing deep fakes of us all.
• 24:58
  Speaker 2: Uh So this the term New World Order. It starts
• 25:02
  Speaker 2: to take on a conspiratorial tone starting with the Second
• 25:06
  Speaker 2: Red Scare, and that was in large part due to
• 25:10
  Speaker 2: a Canadian writer and conspiracy theorist named William Guy Carr.
• 25:16
  Speaker 2: In nineteen thirty one, he started giving conferences around Canada
• 25:20
  Speaker 2: on the topic of international conspiracy, and he pinpointed two families,
• 25:25
  Speaker 2: in particular, the Rothschilds and the Rockefellers, as being the
• 25:30
  Speaker 2: quote international bankers behind a global conspiracy to subjugate the world.
• 25:36
  Speaker 2: Worth noting he was also a vehement anti Semite.
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: So he and the Rothschilds are they're Jewish? Right?
• 25:45
  Speaker 2: Yes?
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: And are the Rockefellers. I believe so ka, So it's
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: he found the scapegoag. Did he get rich off of this?
• 25:51
  Speaker 2: Mister Carr, he did his books. I don't know how
• 25:54
  Speaker 2: rich he got, but he wrote two books in the
• 25:56
  Speaker 2: nineteen fifties, one called Pawns in the Game and one
• 26:00
  Speaker 2: called Red Fog Over America. Both were published in the
• 26:04
  Speaker 2: nineteen fifties. One of them, I think. I think Pawns
• 26:07
  Speaker 2: in the Game I read sold five hundred thousand copies,
• 26:11
  Speaker 2: which that's a lot. Like if this podcast got five
• 26:14
  Speaker 2: hundred thousand downloads, I'd be like, we're about to get assassinated.
• 26:18
  Speaker 2: I don't know what this is. Bad times. That's a
• 26:21
  Speaker 2: lot of people. Yeah, and they credit this guy with
• 26:26
  Speaker 2: making the Freemasons and the Illuminati a conspiracy theory talking
• 26:32
  Speaker 2: point in this country. So they had to be pretty
• 26:35
  Speaker 2: influential the books. Yeah, and yeah, whenever you hear international bankers,
• 26:41
  Speaker 2: that means Jews. We're talking about Jews. That's that is
• 26:44
  Speaker 2: a code word people have been using since the early
• 26:48
  Speaker 2: nineteen hundreds to Jews.
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: It's so confusing because you think of the Rothschild, you
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: think of the Rockefeller and you think of powerful, powerful
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: elite people, and then you think of other powerful elite people,
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: You're like, of course they're you know, in cohoots, right,
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: So it's just it's confusing, how you know, I don't know,
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: Like Car's anti Semitism, you know, and he brings so
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: is he vilifying the Illuminati. Yes, okay, so it's they're
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: part of this, gotcha.
• 27:19
  Speaker 2: Yeah, he's not. By the time we get to the
• 27:21
  Speaker 2: Cold War, everyone who's writing about this and talking about
• 27:25
  Speaker 2: it is doing it in a conspiratorial yeah, as in
• 27:29
  Speaker 2: the Jews are trying to dominate us. And uh so
• 27:33
  Speaker 2: he was the one in the fifties who pushed it.
• 27:36
  Speaker 2: In the sixties, it gets picked up by right wing
• 27:39
  Speaker 2: groups like the John Birch Society, which they've been around
• 27:43
  Speaker 2: forever pushing these kind of theories. Uh they pushed the
• 27:47
  Speaker 2: idea that the Russian and American governments were controlled by
• 27:50
  Speaker 2: a cabal of corporate internationalists who were intent on using
• 27:55
  Speaker 2: the UN as the vehicle to create a one world government.
• 27:58
  Speaker 2: And the thing about sentences like that, there's a kernel
• 28:02
  Speaker 2: of truth to it. We know that at least our
• 28:06
  Speaker 2: government is very much influenced by corporate interests and people
• 28:11
  Speaker 2: with power and money.
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: It's just I guess, you know, considering even sometimes a
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: shitty source will say something that's true.
• 28:20
  Speaker 2: You know, it happens. The one of the things a
• 28:24
  Speaker 2: lot of conspiracy theorists will tell you is that when
• 28:28
  Speaker 2: it comes to the media in the United States, sometimes
• 28:32
  Speaker 2: those things you read in tabloids are things that were
• 28:35
  Speaker 2: presented to the New York Times and the Washington Post.
• 28:38
  Speaker 2: Ah yeah, and someone at the top was like nope,
• 28:41
  Speaker 2: in the National talks about that, and the National Inquirer
• 28:44
  Speaker 2: takes it, and then we see it in the National
• 28:45
  Speaker 2: Inquirer and we're like, shut the fuck up. But we
• 28:48
  Speaker 2: also forget that the National Inquirer probably did the best
• 28:53
  Speaker 2: job covering the oj trial. They covered stories and aspects
• 28:59
  Speaker 2: of that that were true but weren't covered in mainstream
• 29:02
  Speaker 2: media a lot. They solved the murder of Bill Cosby's son,
• 29:06
  Speaker 2: like they were the ones who received the evidence that
• 29:10
  Speaker 2: broke that case and solved that case, and they're the
• 29:13
  Speaker 2: ones who published it.
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: Yeah, well, it's just society and the powers that be
• 29:17
  Speaker 1: paint that is a looney publication, right Whereas but I mean, yeah,
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: like the thing is, if major publications are, you know,
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: in the pockets of these powerful people, then they are
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: going to be there's some being beholden to them, and
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: they are going to push forward an agenda, right because
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: if their livelihood depends on it.
• 29:37
  Speaker 2: And that's what a conspiracy theory like this relies on,
• 29:41
  Speaker 2: is that all along the way, there will be things
• 29:44
  Speaker 2: that supporters can point to and go see I told you, yeah,
• 29:48
  Speaker 2: And it's like yeah, but also yeah, of course, like
• 29:53
  Speaker 2: of course people are trying to exert influence over the
• 29:56
  Speaker 2: world and maintain their interests. Yeah, it's just a question
• 30:02
  Speaker 2: of are they really all working together toward this one
• 30:06
  Speaker 2: nefarious aim?
• 30:07
  Speaker 1: I mean to me, it sort of goes back to
• 30:09
  Speaker 1: this shadow government, this sort of uh power structure that
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: really run stuff. And that's why, you know, people are
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: so invested in politics, and I understand because the stakes
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: are so high, but it's a bunch of it's theater
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: to me, right, It's complete theater, And it's just like,
• 30:27
  Speaker 1: why get emotionally invested in something that's not even real?
• 30:31
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think.
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: That's it's just again it's it's horrible that people are
• 30:35
  Speaker 1: suffering because of some of these policy changes, but it's
• 30:37
  Speaker 1: also horrible that we're at war, right you know, So
• 30:40
  Speaker 1: it's and it just I know, everyone plays their part
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: and has their role, but like I just can't you know,
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: to me, it's yeah, it's theater.
• 30:51
  Speaker 2: I think a lot of what conspiracy theories like this
• 30:55
  Speaker 2: are meant to do. The people who are taking them
• 30:58
  Speaker 2: in and spreading them and using them to form their worldview.
• 31:04
  Speaker 2: I think they see it as all right, this is
• 31:07
  Speaker 2: a problem and I'm tackling it. Yeah, But I think
• 31:10
  Speaker 2: what they're actually being sold is the idea that it's
• 31:14
  Speaker 2: too big of a problem, yeah, and what's coming is inevitable.
• 31:18
  Speaker 2: And what that does is it makes people ultimately less involved,
• 31:23
  Speaker 2: and it gives you the sense that, well, getting involved
• 31:26
  Speaker 2: on a local level isn't ever gonna change things because
• 31:30
  Speaker 2: there's this big power elite that's secretly controlling things, So
• 31:34
  Speaker 2: why even bother. And I think it it becomes almost
• 31:39
  Speaker 2: sort of like a Twitter thing where you see people
• 31:41
  Speaker 2: on Twitter and they're interacting with these Russian bots and shit,
• 31:44
  Speaker 2: and it's like, look, I'm helping it. No, you're not.
• 31:46
  Speaker 2: You're just kind of spreading their message without changing any
• 31:51
  Speaker 2: of the effects of that. And I think this is
• 31:54
  Speaker 2: sort of the same idea where people are picking up
• 31:56
  Speaker 2: this idea of a new world order and spreading it
• 31:59
  Speaker 2: thinking that, look, I'm telling you what's about to happen,
• 32:02
  Speaker 2: when they really are inadvertently saying, look, nothing you do
• 32:06
  Speaker 2: matters because the elites are in power, and they're eventually
• 32:09
  Speaker 2: gonna enslave us all. So I don't even try go
• 32:12
  Speaker 2: shoot up a school or something.
• 32:15
  Speaker 1: Oh my god, I didn't. I didn't. So I was
• 32:18
  Speaker 1: at Vermont in Santa Monica and there was a sign
• 32:23
  Speaker 1: for insurance in case you gets shot and nation's fastest
• 32:28
  Speaker 1: growing insurance. I'd never heard of it.
• 32:30
  Speaker 2: That doesn't surprise me.
• 32:32
  Speaker 1: What is the Does do the power a lead even
• 32:35
  Speaker 1: care about gun control? Does it even matter to them?
• 32:39
  Speaker 2: Well? Gun control? That's this plays into the gun control debate.
• 32:43
  Speaker 2: That's again why I call this the mother of all
• 32:45
  Speaker 2: conspiracy theories. Yeah, when you hear people say, well what
• 32:49
  Speaker 2: about that part in the Constitution that says if the
• 32:51
  Speaker 2: government ever gets tyrannical, what do we do? Then? Yeah,
• 32:55
  Speaker 2: oh shit, that's insane. Shooting insurance Fuck.
• 32:59
  Speaker 1: If there's a shoo, are you covered?
• 33:01
  Speaker 2: That's nuts? Uh.
• 33:04
  Speaker 1: I was like, I shouldn't be walking in this neighborhood
• 33:06
  Speaker 1: this late. If you shooting insurance ads?
• 33:09
  Speaker 2: Can you get it retroactive? Like if you get shot,
• 33:12
  Speaker 2: can you walk to a kiosk and buy the insurance?
• 33:14
  Speaker 1: His insurance? Ever? Let you get insurance if they know
• 33:17
  Speaker 1: you're going to use it?
• 33:18
  Speaker 2: No, except Cobra, and that's only by law man. But
• 33:24
  Speaker 2: so one of the uh, yeah, it was the John
• 33:27
  Speaker 2: Birch Society in the sixties, and then in nineteen sixty six,
• 33:30
  Speaker 2: writer Mary M. Davidson added the Federal Reserve and the
• 33:34
  Speaker 2: Council on Foreign Relations to the mix of conspirators involved
• 33:39
  Speaker 2: in this. She wrote a book called The Profound Revolution.
• 33:42
  Speaker 2: She also mentions international bankers in her book, and at
• 33:47
  Speaker 2: this point in history, everyone reading that would have been like, oh,
• 33:50
  Speaker 2: she means Jews. Like that. By this point, it's the
• 33:53
  Speaker 2: term that had caught on. Work was carried on in
• 33:56
  Speaker 2: the seventies and eighties by American writer Gary Allen in
• 34:00
  Speaker 2: his books None Dare Call It Conspiracy, Rockefeller campaigning for
• 34:04
  Speaker 2: the New World Order and Say No to the New
• 34:07
  Speaker 2: World Order, which that came out in eighty seven. That
• 34:10
  Speaker 2: had to be a reference to the Just Say No campaign,
• 34:15
  Speaker 2: and it was generally talked about as a communist conspiracy.
• 34:19
  Speaker 2: But after the fall of communism the focus shifted to globalists.
• 34:23
  Speaker 2: And that word should sound really familiar now. So, yeah,
• 34:27
  Speaker 2: when you hear people mention globalists, and what I was
• 34:32
  Speaker 2: mentioning earlier when we were talking about gun insurance, when
• 34:35
  Speaker 2: people are like, what happens when the government turns tyrannical,
• 34:38
  Speaker 2: Like it says in the Constitution, this is what they're
• 34:41
  Speaker 2: talking about. They're referring the people who are holding on
• 34:44
  Speaker 2: to that idea. It's because of New World Order conspiracy.
• 34:47
  Speaker 1: Ah, gotcha? So that yeah, that makes sense. I was,
• 34:50
  Speaker 1: you know, because most of us are like, well, when
• 34:52
  Speaker 1: would you ever need an automatic weapon? Well, I guess
• 34:55
  Speaker 1: if the if you know, you have to fight a government, right,
• 34:59
  Speaker 1: But yeah, okay, all right, so that's a yeah, that's
• 35:04
  Speaker 1: an NRA concern. Is that a point at their meetings?
• 35:08
  Speaker 2: I don't think it's explicitly stated, but I bet it
• 35:12
  Speaker 2: comes up in the private meetings. Yeah. If we could
• 35:15
  Speaker 2: get the minutes to those meetings, I bet there's like
• 35:17
  Speaker 2: a fifteen minute chunk that's just New World Order shit,
• 35:20
  Speaker 2: then another fifteen minutes it just says Jews.
• 35:25
  Speaker 1: Man.
• 35:26
  Speaker 2: Uh So another thing, Man, I have lots of fucking
• 35:30
  Speaker 2: feelings on this part. One of the things that brought
• 35:34
  Speaker 2: the idea of the New World Order, and I think
• 35:37
  Speaker 2: kept it going after Communism fell because it was such
• 35:40
  Speaker 2: a Communism related plot. And then Communism falls, and then
• 35:44
  Speaker 2: George H. W. Bush on September eleventh, nineteen ninety. Of course,
• 35:50
  Speaker 2: it had to be September eleventh, he said the following
• 35:53
  Speaker 2: in a speech delivered to a joint Session of Congress.
• 35:57
  Speaker 2: Until now, the world we've known has been a world divide,
• 36:00
  Speaker 2: a world of barbed wire and concrete block, conflict and
• 36:04
  Speaker 2: cold war. Now we can see a new world coming
• 36:08
  Speaker 2: into view, a world in which there is a very
• 36:11
  Speaker 2: real prospect of a new world order, in the words
• 36:15
  Speaker 2: of Winston Churchill, a world order in which the principles
• 36:19
  Speaker 2: of justice and fair play protect the weak against the strong.
• 36:23
  Speaker 2: A world where the United Nations, freed from Cold War stalemate,
• 36:28
  Speaker 2: is poised to fulfill the historic vision of its founders,
• 36:32
  Speaker 2: a world in which freedom and respect for human rights
• 36:35
  Speaker 2: find a home among all nations. And boy do that
• 36:39
  Speaker 2: send right wing types into a fucking' tizzy.
• 36:42
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm sure.
• 36:44
  Speaker 2: And he actually, during his time in office, he brought
• 36:48
  Speaker 2: up the New World Order a lot.
• 36:50
  Speaker 1: So it's interesting. So it is other people on the right,
• 36:53
  Speaker 1: because he's a right side guy, So it's just the fringe,
• 36:56
  Speaker 1: the far far right.
• 36:58
  Speaker 2: Who Yeah, I have a wild I don't think it's
• 37:03
  Speaker 2: even that crazy of a theory about why that happened
• 37:07
  Speaker 2: and why he mentioned the new World Order. So much communism.
• 37:10
  Speaker 2: Like it's important to remember George HW. Bush used to
• 37:13
  Speaker 2: be the director of the CIA, Like he knows a
• 37:17
  Speaker 2: thing or two about influencing people and putting plots and
• 37:22
  Speaker 2: plans in motion. And communism had just fallen, so America
• 37:29
  Speaker 2: needed an enemy to justify spending defense money on. And
• 37:35
  Speaker 2: what I won hundred percent, And I can't prove it,
• 37:38
  Speaker 2: but what I won hundred percent think George Bush was
• 37:42
  Speaker 2: doing was purposely trying to rile up right wing extremists
• 37:48
  Speaker 2: so they could become the enemy we fought for the
• 37:52
  Speaker 2: foreseeable future. Yeah, and that is exactly what happened. They
• 37:56
  Speaker 2: heard him give this speech and then they heard him
• 38:00
  Speaker 2: keep bringing it up. And what happens in the nineties,
• 38:03
  Speaker 2: right wing extremism becomes a huge thing. There was Waco,
• 38:07
  Speaker 2: there was Ruby Ridge. It all culminates in Oklahoma City,
• 38:11
  Speaker 2: like for the first half of the nineties, right wing
• 38:13
  Speaker 2: extremists were our enemy. Yeah, And I honestly think that
• 38:19
  Speaker 2: was George Bush trying to find a scapegoat, find not
• 38:23
  Speaker 2: a scapegoat, find a new enemy, find a new focus
• 38:27
  Speaker 2: for all of our defense in military and police spending
• 38:30
  Speaker 2: within the nation, right because otherwise, where were we going
• 38:33
  Speaker 2: to spend all that money. Like that's how budgets work.
• 38:35
  Speaker 2: If you don't spend the money, you don't get it
• 38:37
  Speaker 2: goes away next year. So we got to keep spending
• 38:39
  Speaker 2: that money. And I think that was him trying to
• 38:43
  Speaker 2: rile up right wing fundamentalist types and I think it worked.
• 38:48
  Speaker 2: And I think he got help from Pat Robertson, who
• 38:51
  Speaker 2: is the seven hundred Club televangelist guy. He wrote a
• 38:56
  Speaker 2: book in nineteen eighty or no, I think he wrote
• 39:02
  Speaker 2: this book in the nineties. I actually read this book.
• 39:04
  Speaker 2: It is called The New World Order, and it's I mean,
• 39:08
  Speaker 2: it's pretty basic New World Order stuff where he's arguing
• 39:12
  Speaker 2: that these global elites are trying to set up a
• 39:16
  Speaker 2: one world government. But he added Wall Street to the
• 39:21
  Speaker 2: mix of groups that we're trying to bring this about
• 39:24
  Speaker 2: Wall Street, Yeah, the Builderberg Group and the Trilateral Commission,
• 39:28
  Speaker 2: which in the other texts hadn't been mentioned yet. I
• 39:31
  Speaker 2: think some of those groups were set up later after
• 39:34
  Speaker 2: some of those other books were written. So he adds
• 39:37
  Speaker 2: all these other groups in and this becomes a huge
• 39:40
  Speaker 2: book for him because he's got that guy's got some
• 39:43
  Speaker 2: fucking reach. Yeah, Like he had a television. I think
• 39:46
  Speaker 2: he still has a television network all of his own,
• 39:50
  Speaker 2: doesn't doesn't.
• 39:50
  Speaker 1: The seven hundred Club have its own Yeah, I don't
• 39:53
  Speaker 1: know if he has this. I mean I would not
• 39:55
  Speaker 1: be surprised. So do you think HW and Pat this
• 40:00
  Speaker 1: is something they talked about or do you think Pat's
• 40:03
  Speaker 1: thing came out independently and he, you know, was their coordination.
• 40:09
  Speaker 1: I think see that's the question.
• 40:10
  Speaker 2: That's the thing that has always confused me about Pat
• 40:14
  Speaker 2: Robertson's book because it's not like he's an anti Republican guy.
• 40:19
  Speaker 2: And I feel like if you were to ask him
• 40:22
  Speaker 2: about George H. W. Bush, he'd probably be very pro Bush. Yeah,
• 40:27
  Speaker 2: because the Bush family has traditionally pushed the kind of
• 40:30
  Speaker 2: ideas that evangelicals like. But he also wrote the New
• 40:34
  Speaker 2: World Order book, so I don't. That's always been hard
• 40:39
  Speaker 2: to balance for me. And it does sort of feel
• 40:42
  Speaker 2: like maybe the US came to him and was like, hey,
• 40:46
  Speaker 2: write this book, we need an enemy.
• 40:48
  Speaker 1: So yeah, I mean that's and then that's the reason
• 40:51
  Speaker 1: why I don't feel so invested in politics is because
• 40:55
  Speaker 1: of the you know, the propaganda and then the motive.
• 41:00
  Speaker 1: You know, it's it's an agenda yeah, and it's a manipulation.
• 41:04
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's I feel like there's a lot of that
• 41:07
  Speaker 2: in just everyday regular politics. Like I've said before in
• 41:12
  Speaker 2: the show, I think Trump's war with the media is theater.
• 41:16
  Speaker 1: A publicity stack.
• 41:17
  Speaker 2: Yeah. I think the for the most part, the mainstream
• 41:20
  Speaker 2: media very much supports Trump, if for no other reason
• 41:24
  Speaker 2: than Trump sells newspapers. Yeah, and Trump gets eyes on
• 41:28
  Speaker 2: television shows, and like sometimes it's as basic as money,
• 41:33
  Speaker 2: Like Trump makes these networks money. They want him to
• 41:36
  Speaker 2: be president if they have to fight in public.
• 41:39
  Speaker 1: Yeah, mainstream media and versus Trump is profitable. Yeah.
• 41:43
  Speaker 2: And it's it's like wrestling shit. Yeah, like wrestling. These
• 41:47
  Speaker 2: wrestlers they fight on TV and then they go do
• 41:49
  Speaker 2: cocaine in the locker room together like they're friends, like friends. Yeah,
• 41:54
  Speaker 2: and I kind of feel like that's what's happening with
• 41:56
  Speaker 2: a lot of just the Trump stuff in general.
• 42:00
  Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean that's the thing is why am I
• 42:01
  Speaker 1: going to become emotionally invested if they're you know, doing
• 42:04
  Speaker 1: coke together in the bathroom, right, they're not really fighting at.
• 42:07
  Speaker 2: Least getting emotionally invested in that part.
• 42:09
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean the horrors of you know, and people suffering.
• 42:14
  Speaker 1: It's you know, that's not excusable, but.
• 42:17
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and like something like this, I feel like, like
• 42:21
  Speaker 2: I mentioned before, I think it is meant to instill
• 42:24
  Speaker 2: that sense of hopelessness in people when really we could
• 42:28
  Speaker 2: be looking at this and going, okay, well, how about
• 42:31
  Speaker 2: we start with corporate influence over American politics. Yeah, that's
• 42:35
  Speaker 2: a problem we could probably tackle. And it feels like
• 42:38
  Speaker 2: if we undercut that, maybe a lot of this stuff
• 42:41
  Speaker 2: wouldn't happen. And it's a more realistic approach to what
• 42:46
  Speaker 2: is obviously a problem. And I think when people package
• 42:50
  Speaker 2: it this way, it just throws everyone off. Yeah, and
• 42:54
  Speaker 2: it just confuses people as to who the real enemy
• 42:58
  Speaker 2: and who the real problem is in this country bad times.
• 43:02
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean it's and that's the thing, and that's
• 43:04
  Speaker 1: sort of my issue with bureaucracy is it's it's how
• 43:09
  Speaker 1: organized are things really? You know, like if we get
• 43:13
  Speaker 1: this guy, then you know, is it I don't know.
• 43:16
  Speaker 1: Maybe this maybe I am sounding cynical now, but it's
• 43:19
  Speaker 1: just yeah, and maybe I am feeling that hopelessness of
• 43:22
  Speaker 1: just like there's there's this entity, and yeah, what's it's
• 43:26
  Speaker 1: gonna It would take some organization on our part. But
• 43:29
  Speaker 1: it's like, is that something that can happen in our
• 43:32
  Speaker 1: lifetime or.
• 43:33
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's the thing, Like people have been fighting against
• 43:38
  Speaker 2: this ye for a long time, and it seems like
• 43:42
  Speaker 2: whatever they think was happening is still happening, And like,
• 43:47
  Speaker 2: I don't want to not think there's a solution at
• 43:52
  Speaker 2: some point.
• 43:53
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I think I think there is a solution.
• 43:55
  Speaker 1: It's just are people going to get their shit together
• 43:59
  Speaker 1: to be able to you know, pull it together?
• 44:01
  Speaker 2: And well that's yeah, that's the thing through with it.
• 44:05
  Speaker 2: It's like this theory is a lot like Democrats running
• 44:09
  Speaker 2: in twenty twenty. It's like, we know we need to
• 44:12
  Speaker 2: fight Trump and get Trump out of office, but first
• 44:16
  Speaker 2: we need to fight amongst ourselves and tear each other down.
• 44:19
  Speaker 2: And like, are we gonna get organized enough to actually
• 44:23
  Speaker 2: mount in opposition to Trump in twenty twenty or will
• 44:26
  Speaker 2: we not? And this is kind of the same thing
• 44:29
  Speaker 2: Like with this theory we'll get into at the end
• 44:32
  Speaker 2: of the episode. There are theories upon theories with this,
• 44:36
  Speaker 2: and it's it would be a matter of getting all
• 44:39
  Speaker 2: these groups who think different secret forces are controlling us
• 44:45
  Speaker 2: and getting them all to come together and go all right,
• 44:48
  Speaker 2: maybe it's not our particular secret force, or maybe it is,
• 44:51
  Speaker 2: and we'll get to that, but first, let's handle.
• 44:54
  Speaker 1: This smaller problem one step at a time.
• 44:56
  Speaker 2: Yeah, And I don't I don't know if we'll ever
• 45:00
  Speaker 2: get to that, because you hear it in like things
• 45:04
  Speaker 2: like the gun debate where people are like, all right, well,
• 45:07
  Speaker 2: how about we just ban automatic weapons and people are like,
• 45:12
  Speaker 2: there's still gonna be guns, And it's like I get it,
• 45:14
  Speaker 2: but fucking one thing at a time. Yeah, And like
• 45:19
  Speaker 2: a theory like this, I think it makes people feel like, well,
• 45:23
  Speaker 2: what's it matter if I don't cut the head off
• 45:25
  Speaker 2: this monster? Like if the head still exists, all of
• 45:29
  Speaker 2: this is going to keep moving, and that's.
• 45:31
  Speaker 1: Not necessarily true, Like, yeah, we can chip away.
• 45:33
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Like revolutions happen from within. Yeah, and the people
• 45:38
  Speaker 2: bring shit like that about, and like sometimes taking a
• 45:44
  Speaker 2: leg out from underneath that thing is just as effective
• 45:46
  Speaker 2: as cutting the head off. Yeah, And I don't know.
• 45:50
  Speaker 2: I feel like these this particular theory is one that's
• 45:54
  Speaker 2: meant to keep us from focusing on the smaller issues
• 45:57
  Speaker 2: we could address.
• 45:59
  Speaker 1: Oh so this is like a distraction, It's yeah.
• 46:02
  Speaker 2: I think so. I think it's it's a like I said,
• 46:04
  Speaker 2: I think it's a common enemy when there are no
• 46:06
  Speaker 2: other enemies.
• 46:07
  Speaker 1: So I see what you mean about how we're a
• 46:09
  Speaker 1: part of it right by giving it attention.
• 46:12
  Speaker 2: Giving it attention and to people who really vehemently believe
• 46:18
  Speaker 2: in a strict interpretation of this, by not one agreeing,
• 46:23
  Speaker 2: we're just furthering, yeah, that agenda.
• 46:26
  Speaker 1: And by furthering the conversation.
• 46:28
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I hope we get a fucking T shirt out
• 46:31
  Speaker 2: of it or something something. Man membership card. I want
• 46:34
  Speaker 2: an Illuminati card? Yeah?
• 46:36
  Speaker 1: When are we going to get that? How many followers
• 46:38
  Speaker 1: do we need on Instagram to get the Illuminati card?
• 46:41
  Speaker 2: I know it's a conspiracy podcast. What the fuck? Yeah,
• 46:44
  Speaker 2: it should be in already.
• 46:45
  Speaker 1: If I get the Illuminati, then I get the blue
• 46:47
  Speaker 1: check mark? Right, I got one on Facebook?
• 46:57
  Speaker 2: Oh nice, I don't have that.
• 46:59
  Speaker 1: So maybe that's one one little step on the we.
• 47:03
  Speaker 2: Joined forces to give the world one blue check mark?
• 47:06
  Speaker 1: Yeah, one single blue check mark?
• 47:08
  Speaker 2: How about that we're all verified? Yeah? If we're all verified?
• 47:12
  Speaker 2: Are any of us verified?
• 47:14
  Speaker 1: It makes it less exclusive? Right?
• 47:17
  Speaker 2: Boring? Yeah, it's boring. Uh, So let's talk about who's
• 47:20
  Speaker 2: involved in this? Okay, everyone is involved. The Freemasons were
• 47:26
  Speaker 2: the first group to which I've been promising to do
• 47:30
  Speaker 2: like a side podcast series about the Freemasons.
• 47:34
  Speaker 1: I'm surprised you haven't already.
• 47:35
  Speaker 2: I will at some point. I went to high school
• 47:39
  Speaker 2: with a guy who I found out is a Freemason,
• 47:41
  Speaker 2: and God, I want to ask him some questions.
• 47:44
  Speaker 1: I've known a couple of Mason Freemasons as well, and
• 47:47
  Speaker 1: they're very secretive.
• 47:49
  Speaker 2: Yeah they are, that's sort of the whole problem.
• 47:52
  Speaker 1: But also they're like having I've seen comedy shows at lodges,
• 47:56
  Speaker 1: so it's like, yeah, how do I get booked on that?
• 47:59
  Speaker 2: Right? Right? You have to know the handshake. There's rituals
• 48:02
  Speaker 2: you have to go through. You got to sacrifice an owl.
• 48:05
  Speaker 2: It's fucking crazy.
• 48:06
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I can't do it. Then if I don't, I
• 48:08
  Speaker 1: can't do that to an owl.
• 48:09
  Speaker 2: No, owls are too smart. They'd figure out how to.
• 48:11
  Speaker 1: Get you back, like posthumously.
• 48:15
  Speaker 2: Yeah, send their family.
• 48:17
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 48:18
  Speaker 2: Uh. The Illuminatis involved obviously another group that probably see
• 48:23
  Speaker 2: that's the thing about the Illuminati as compared to the Freemasons.
• 48:26
  Speaker 2: We know the Freemasons exist openly. Yeah, we know where
• 48:30
  Speaker 2: their buildings are and we know what kind of funny
• 48:32
  Speaker 2: hats they wear the Illuminati. That's just we don't even
• 48:36
  Speaker 2: know if that's real.
• 48:38
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's kind of like is there a newsletter?
• 48:41
  Speaker 2: Yeah. The Illuminati reminds me of God, which is another
• 48:46
  Speaker 2: thing where people are like God might not be real,
• 48:49
  Speaker 2: and it's like if millions of people believe it and
• 48:52
  Speaker 2: are shaping their lives around it, it's real. And the Illuminati,
• 48:56
  Speaker 2: to me, even if it's not real, it's real. Yeah,
• 48:59
  Speaker 2: because a lot of people, not a lot of people,
• 49:01
  Speaker 2: but a lot of people on the fringes of society
• 49:03
  Speaker 2: live their life according to what they think the Illuminati
• 49:07
  Speaker 2: is doing to them.
• 49:08
  Speaker 1: You know, it's yeah, I guess the question is how
• 49:11
  Speaker 1: organized are the Illuminati? Like, yeah, what who's like is
• 49:16
  Speaker 1: there are they having entertainment events like jay Z and Beyonce?
• 49:21
  Speaker 2: Jay Z's got to be in the Illuminati.
• 49:23
  Speaker 1: But if there isn't If there is organized Illuminati, I.
• 49:27
  Speaker 2: Mean, if they haven't recruited that guy, they're not gonna
• 49:30
  Speaker 2: take over the world. No, Like read the fucking room.
• 49:33
  Speaker 2: You want jay Z on your team? Uh?
• 49:35
  Speaker 1: He's a business man, yes, business mann. Uh.
• 49:42
  Speaker 2: And for the record, I still very much want to
• 49:43
  Speaker 2: join the Illuminati. If that is possible, I'll take the
• 49:47
  Speaker 2: CIA if nothing else so CIA needs me to do.
• 49:51
  Speaker 2: I just want to be part of some secret group.
• 49:53
  Speaker 2: I mean, CIA is not that secret. I'm at the
• 49:55
  Speaker 2: Chinese intelligence agents.
• 49:56
  Speaker 1: They have secrets. Boy do they a group with secrets?
• 50:00
  Speaker 2: Yeah?
• 50:01
  Speaker 1: Yeah, sounds like a family.
• 50:02
  Speaker 2: And I want those secrets right up top, so they
• 50:04
  Speaker 2: have a reason to kill me if I ever leave
• 50:06
  Speaker 2: the group. Ooh, I don't know why I want that
• 50:09
  Speaker 2: stress in my life. I just want to know these secrets.
• 50:11
  Speaker 1: Sounds like a kink.
• 50:12
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 50:15
  Speaker 1: Uh.
• 50:16
  Speaker 2: The Protocols of the Elders of Zion. This plays in
• 50:20
  Speaker 2: to a lot of the New World Order stuff. This
• 50:23
  Speaker 2: is an anti Semitic as fuck hoax. That was a
• 50:28
  Speaker 2: book originally published in Russia in nineteen oh three, and
• 50:32
  Speaker 2: it claims to be the minutes from a meeting of
• 50:35
  Speaker 2: these Jewish elites discussing a plan to dominate the world.
• 50:41
  Speaker 2: Picture it is.
• 50:42
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like, get more creative if you're going to
• 50:44
  Speaker 1: create propaganda, you know.
• 50:46
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's the thing. This to their credit, at least
• 50:49
  Speaker 2: this was early nineteen hundreds. Oh okay, so they were
• 50:52
  Speaker 2: like Jews. But now it's a copycat fuck in twenty
• 50:56
  Speaker 2: nineteen and we're still like Jews. It's like they would
• 50:59
  Speaker 2: have done it by by now. They've had time, Like
• 51:02
  Speaker 2: if Jews were planning something, it would have fucking happened.
• 51:06
  Speaker 2: But it still carries on. This one I thought was interesting.
• 51:10
  Speaker 1: Yeah, the Rhodes Scholars, Rhodes.
• 51:12
  Speaker 2: Scholars, Cecil Rhodes, who is the guy behind the Rhodes
• 51:17
  Speaker 2: Scholarship and Rhodes scholars which is a very lofty academic thing.
• 51:21
  Speaker 2: He was a staunch believer in the need for a
• 51:24
  Speaker 2: one world government and the need to form a secret
• 51:27
  Speaker 2: society to make it happen. He even put that shit
• 51:31
  Speaker 2: in his will, which he wrote at the age of
• 51:33
  Speaker 2: twenty three.
• 51:34
  Speaker 1: When did he pass away?
• 51:36
  Speaker 2: Uh, I mean this was a long time ago, so
• 51:38
  Speaker 2: probably at twenty five or something of natural causes. No,
• 51:42
  Speaker 2: he lived for a few more decades. But write no
• 51:46
  Speaker 2: will at twenty three. That's forward thinking right there.
• 51:48
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a so he thinks about the future.
• 51:51
  Speaker 2: Yeah, no, wonder he wants a one world government. Yeah,
• 51:55
  Speaker 2: in place, he's thinking ahead.
• 51:57
  Speaker 1: Uh, what are the benefits the benefit of a one
• 52:00
  Speaker 1: world government?
• 52:02
  Speaker 2: Well, for him, it's all of these. When you get
• 52:07
  Speaker 2: into people like him, like the intellectuals who push this
• 52:11
  Speaker 2: idea and HG. Wells also who will talk about next.
• 52:15
  Speaker 2: It's sort of a kind of a benevolent idea where
• 52:21
  Speaker 2: this is the only way we're going to end violence
• 52:24
  Speaker 2: and suffering and war in the world is if we
• 52:27
  Speaker 2: break down all of our borders and barriers and all
• 52:30
  Speaker 2: the things that make us different and agree that we're
• 52:33
  Speaker 2: all one person and two intellectual types. That probably sounds
• 52:39
  Speaker 2: really great because it on the surface makes sense. Who
• 52:42
  Speaker 2: wants war, who wants differences and things. You heard it
• 52:45
  Speaker 2: a lot with the early Internet too. The people who
• 52:48
  Speaker 2: started the Internet, a lot of them were like, look,
• 52:51
  Speaker 2: this is going to end racism, Like once people have
• 52:54
  Speaker 2: access to all this information, we're not going to have
• 52:57
  Speaker 2: any of these differences in borders anymore be global citizens.
• 53:02
  Speaker 2: And we know now the exact opposite thing happened, like
• 53:05
  Speaker 2: the Internet ended up being a breeding ground for hate
• 53:08
  Speaker 2: and racism. And I think that's what a lot of
• 53:12
  Speaker 2: this is is these intellectuals, like earlier in the twentieth
• 53:17
  Speaker 2: century who saw World War two happen, saw World War
• 53:20
  Speaker 2: One happen, and we're like, I'm smart, I can figure
• 53:23
  Speaker 2: this out.
• 53:24
  Speaker 1: And they lived through some real horror.
• 53:25
  Speaker 2: Right, They lived through legitimate trauma and came out the
• 53:29
  Speaker 2: other end wanting to figure out how to fix it.
• 53:32
  Speaker 2: And I think people like this just don't realize how
• 53:37
  Speaker 2: unappealing the idea of one everything sounds to people.
• 53:42
  Speaker 1: Ye are, because what about the people who don't like
• 53:44
  Speaker 1: the one everything? Yeah? And that HG.
• 53:48
  Speaker 2: Wells. He also wrote a book called The New World Order,
• 53:52
  Speaker 2: but also wrote one called The Open Conspiracy, and in
• 53:56
  Speaker 2: both it was a He was arguing that a world
• 53:59
  Speaker 2: revolution needed to happen, but he also argued for a
• 54:03
  Speaker 2: world brain like the Internet, maybe to establish a technocratic
• 54:08
  Speaker 2: world state and planned economy. And you asked about people
• 54:11
  Speaker 2: who don't support it. Here's what he said about that,
• 54:15
  Speaker 2: when the struggle seems to be drifting definitely towards a
• 54:18
  Speaker 2: world social democracy, there may still be very great delays
• 54:22
  Speaker 2: and disappointments before it becomes an efficient and beneficient world system.
• 54:28
  Speaker 1: So he's talking about there's going to be sacrifices to
• 54:31
  Speaker 1: make right and who wants to be collateral?
• 54:35
  Speaker 2: Countless people will hate the New World Order, be rendered
• 54:38
  Speaker 2: unhappy by the frustration of their passions and ambitions through
• 54:44
  Speaker 2: its advent, and will die protesting against it. When we
• 54:48
  Speaker 2: attempt to evaluate its promise, we have to bear in
• 54:51
  Speaker 2: mind the distress of a generation or so or so
• 54:55
  Speaker 2: of malcontents, many of them quite gallant and graceful looking people,
• 55:00
  Speaker 2: basically saying people yeah in the notes next and so yeah,
• 55:05
  Speaker 2: he's basically saying a lot of people are gonna hate this,
• 55:08
  Speaker 2: but fuck them. It's what we need, and those people
• 55:11
  Speaker 2: will die protesting.
• 55:13
  Speaker 1: Let's see, that's the thing, that's what he thinks we need.
• 55:15
  Speaker 1: But what about what other people's needs are this right
• 55:17
  Speaker 1: size fits all? It's just like, how does he have
• 55:20
  Speaker 1: the answer to it? And it involves everyone else?
• 55:24
  Speaker 2: Right?
• 55:25
  Speaker 1: I go, right, does someone have over someone else if
• 55:28
  Speaker 1: they're not harming you?
• 55:30
  Speaker 2: Yeah, And it's I think it is a legitimate arrogance
• 55:33
  Speaker 2: that you see in a lot of really really highly
• 55:37
  Speaker 2: educated people where they're like, well, I'm much smarter than you,
• 55:40
  Speaker 2: so if you just see things my way, we'll all
• 55:43
  Speaker 2: be better off.
• 55:44
  Speaker 1: And he I mean, even this is just like well
• 55:46
  Speaker 1: that's he talks about it the distress of a generation
• 55:50
  Speaker 1: or so.
• 55:50
  Speaker 2: Yeah, like generation that's nothing we'll recover. Yeah, it's it's crazy,
• 55:56
  Speaker 2: and it's understandable why people are skeptical of ideas like that. Yeah,
• 56:01
  Speaker 2: like even coming from really what we deem as intellectual types.
• 56:06
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 56:07
  Speaker 2: Like I think people have good reasons to be skeptical
• 56:12
  Speaker 2: of that sometimes, Yeah, because just because you're like, there's
• 56:15
  Speaker 2: a difference between being really intelligent and understanding the world.
• 56:21
  Speaker 2: And I think a lot of people who push ideas
• 56:24
  Speaker 2: like that they're not in touch with what happens in
• 56:28
  Speaker 2: everyday lives.
• 56:29
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you can have a strong processing system in your
• 56:32
  Speaker 1: brain and still be ego driven and push an agenda
• 56:36
  Speaker 1: that doesn't serve the you know, the greatest.
• 56:39
  Speaker 2: Good, Yeah, whatever that is, you know, right, And I
• 56:43
  Speaker 2: think the New Age Movement is a good example of
• 56:46
  Speaker 2: that too, And this is what we're going to focus
• 56:48
  Speaker 2: on in the next episode, a group called the Lucius Trust.
• 56:53
  Speaker 2: This is I think the New Age Movement is one
• 56:56
  Speaker 2: of the biggest aspects of this, But they don't get
• 56:59
  Speaker 2: talked about that much. Yeah, which makes me all the
• 57:02
  Speaker 2: more suspicious because whenever there's a conspiracy of foot, the
• 57:07
  Speaker 2: people running it are happy to let you believe the
• 57:10
  Speaker 2: crazier parts that aren't true. Like the US government is
• 57:15
  Speaker 2: fine with us thinking nine to eleven was a false
• 57:18
  Speaker 2: flag operation carried out by the United States because it
• 57:22
  Speaker 2: keeps people from talking about the very real fact that
• 57:25
  Speaker 2: Saudi Arabia seemed to be way more involved in that
• 57:28
  Speaker 2: than we gave them credit for. And I think with this,
• 57:33
  Speaker 2: it's with the New Age Movement. It makes me suspicious
• 57:37
  Speaker 2: that they don't come up as much as the Freemasons
• 57:40
  Speaker 2: and the Illuminati when it comes to the New World Order, because.
• 57:43
  Speaker 1: We're the leaders in the New Age Movement.
• 57:45
  Speaker 2: It's a well, it all dates back to and I
• 57:50
  Speaker 2: know there were people before her, but a woman named
• 57:52
  Speaker 2: Alice Bailey who started a publishing company in I want
• 57:58
  Speaker 2: to say nineteen twenty two and it was literally called
• 58:02
  Speaker 2: the Lucifer Published Publishing Company.
• 58:05
  Speaker 1: And that's what we're talking about in the next episod.
• 58:07
  Speaker 2: That's what we're talking about on the next episode because
• 58:09
  Speaker 2: she is one of the founders of the New Age
• 58:12
  Speaker 2: movement and their whole thing is also look, at some point,
• 58:17
  Speaker 2: we got to get rid of all these borders, We
• 58:19
  Speaker 2: got to get rid of our differences. We need a
• 58:20
  Speaker 2: one world government and one world religion also, and a
• 58:25
  Speaker 2: lot of it a lot of their uh So.
• 58:28
  Speaker 1: New Age isn't about individual spirituality, it is the movement
• 58:33
  Speaker 1: is about one religion and.
• 58:36
  Speaker 2: The movement as pushed by them is kind of a
• 58:42
  Speaker 2: one world government thing, and I think New Age.
• 58:45
  Speaker 1: Can be interpreted interpreted with different meanings.
• 58:48
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, for sure, you know, yeah, but this group,
• 58:52
  Speaker 2: in particular the Lucius Trust. They the UN has a
• 58:57
  Speaker 2: meditation room and it's run by Louis Trust. Lucius Trust
• 59:02
  Speaker 2: is the publishing wing for the UN. So when people
• 59:07
  Speaker 2: talk about, well, the UN is going to be that
• 59:09
  Speaker 2: one world government, in that one world military, and then
• 59:12
  Speaker 2: they see Lucius Trust, which is this New Age movement
• 59:17
  Speaker 2: aimed at eliminating borders and also kind of praising Satan
• 59:23
  Speaker 2: because in a lot of religious texts, Satan isn't the devil.
• 59:28
  Speaker 2: Satan is the one who brings knowledge and light and
• 59:32
  Speaker 2: understand to people. And that's their interpretation of Satan. And
• 59:38
  Speaker 2: when you hear conservatives call liberal Satanists, that's what they're
• 59:43
  Speaker 2: talking about. They're talking about the New Age Movement and
• 59:46
  Speaker 2: Alice Bailey and the Lucius Trust and all of their
• 59:51
  Speaker 2: what I would agree, is kind of shady intertwinement with
• 59:56
  Speaker 2: the UN, so that we'll talk but we'll talk about
• 59:59
  Speaker 2: them more on the next episode. There's also the Fourth Reich,
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 2: which is kind of just another name for the New
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 2: World Order. Yeah, but it's people who believe that the
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 2: Nazis were not defeated. They were just absorbed by America
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 2: and their plan has been continuing ever since.
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 1: Why fourth? Why are they the fourth Reich.
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 2: After Nazi Germany? Which was the third? Right?
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 1: Okay, that's a third? What was the second?
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 2: Uh? Was the second Reich? The World War One regime
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 2: might have been?
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 1: And first?
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 2: See the third one is where the franchise starts getting good.
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 2: So I've never gone back.
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 1: We didn't need to. Did you need to watch the
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 1: first two?
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 2: Yeah? You really need to watch the first two. They're
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 2: completely different movies. Who is the first Reicht?
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 1: See?
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 2: It just said third Reich? When I searched first.
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 1: Thing is like, yeah, it's just like one and two
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 1: fell out, fell off the map Reich. I love how
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 1: it goes from third Reich to fourth like Nazi to
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 1: New World Order? Like that's what's the There's not like
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 1: a three point five, you know, It's just I feel
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 1: like they were missing a step here.
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 2: Right, three point one? Just a small upgrade. We changed
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 2: our uniforms. That's all. Also Aliens. This is probably one
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 2: that will be its own episode. Also because we're going
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 2: to talk about next to end this episode, we're going
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 2: to talk about how the different ways people think this
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 2: is going to be implemented. And my favorite is this
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 2: idea that at some point we have developed the technology
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 2: that will allow us to project something into the sky
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 2: that could be seen around the world by everyone at
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 2: the same time. Which even then, like it's going to
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 2: be daytime somewhere, how are people at noon going to
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 2: see this fucking projection in the sky? But whatever? And
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 2: what people who push the alien version of this theory
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 2: argue is that the US government is going to basically
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 2: do a false flag operation that looks like an alien invasion,
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 2: and that this alien invasion is going to bring this
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 2: figurehead or leader whose image will be projected in the sky,
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 2: and when that happens, that person or entity will kind
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 2: of explain everything about how the world works, and from
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 2: that we will understand all religions are nonsense, all of
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 2: our differences are nonsense, and we should all just unite
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 2: around this one guy. So they want. And the argument
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 2: is that it's all going to be fake and it's
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 2: the United States trying to dominate the world.
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean in aliens are a whole other topic.
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 1: There's so many different types, and I think we covered
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 1: that in the first podcast they did with you on
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 1: the other podcast, but interdimensional, intertime, extraterrestrial, intraterrestrial, which I
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 1: just learned about today.
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 2: The ones who live in Earth. Yeah, those are the coolest.
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 2: We recorded an episode. It should be out by the
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 2: time this one comes out, but we recorded an episode
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 2: of this podcast about the theory that dinosaurs are a hoax.
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 2: Wh what a fun theory that is. And one of
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 2: the things that comes up in that is there's a
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 2: guy who thinks that dinosaurs, when the asteroid hit fled underground,
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 2: which I don't know if the dinosaurs got a text
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 2: or what YE told them this asteroid was coming, but
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 2: they fled underground and eventually evolved into the reptilian humanoids
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 2: that populate our underground cities.
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 1: Oh, it's very specific, very specific.
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and it actually ties into the alien version of
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 2: the New World Order, because the guy who pushes that
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 2: the most is David Ike, who we've done.
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 1: What are your thoughts on David Ike.
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 2: David Ike, if you read his origins on how he
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 2: became a conspiracy theorist, it sounds like schizophrenia. Wasn't he
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 2: a sports He was a sports announcer. He was a
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 2: professional football player, but the bullshit European kind. And he
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 2: talks about how he went down this path because one
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 2: day he was in a bookstore in a voice told
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 2: him to go pick up the book directly in front
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 2: of him. Yeah, And he talks about these voices that
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 2: talk to him all the time and guide him on
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 2: this path. And it's like, dude, you might just need medication,
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 2: like that could just be psychosis of some sort.
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 1: Do you think some of what he presents has some
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 1: validity or it's just it or it is an illness.
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 2: The reptilian stuff seems crazy. Yeah, I mean he taught
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 2: like it's not. That's not the only thing he covers.
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 2: We did an episode about there's a documentary about him
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 2: that just came out.
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 1: Where is it.
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 2: It's on all the streaming sites. It's called Renegade, The
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 2: Life Story of David.
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 1: I Oh, I love to watch that.
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 2: It's uh. I watched it on Vimeo.
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 1: I think is it on like Netflix or something?
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 2: Now you have to rent it, okay, but you know what,
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 2: I might have actually bought it. Jesus Christ, did I
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 2: buy it for that episode. If I did, I'll just
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 2: send you the link so you can watch it. But
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 2: in that documentary, what's interesting and what makes me suspect
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 2: of the reptilian theory even more, it doesn't come up
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 2: at all in that documentary, and it's such a big
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 2: part of his story for him. When you watch that documentary,
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 2: it feels like the like the sales pitch version of
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 2: David Ike. Okay, so where it all seems kind of
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 2: reasonable and normal, and then you go from that documentary
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 2: to his other stuff and he's like, let me tell
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 2: you about them, juice.
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 1: It's a gateway. Yes, it's a gateway content.
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 2: Right. It's because there's none of the potentially anti Semitic
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 2: stuff that he gets into. None of that comes up
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 2: in the documentary. It's all really it's a very sanitized
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 2: version of him. And the fact that he doesn't stick
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 2: to his guns and bring up reptilians in that documentary.
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 2: I don't like it. Yeah, it makes me feel like
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 2: he either doesn't. It makes me feel like he doesn't
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 2: believe it, because why wouldn't you put it in that documentary?
• 1:06:15
  Speaker 2: He actually it was. Yeah, it's an authorized documentary and
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 2: the only time it comes up is when he mentions
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 2: people mocking him and you see a computer screen that
• 1:06:29
  Speaker 2: has a story about David Ike and reptilians on the screen,
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 2: and that's the only time he even touches on it.
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 1: I want to see the unauthorized version.
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like, dude, you're the one who brought it up.
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 2: Don't be all fucking ashamed now, Yeah, I want to
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 2: see the like the Ike raw Yeah, yeah, yeah, you
• 1:06:48
  Speaker 2: can tell this isn't that like, this was him letting
• 1:06:51
  Speaker 2: someone like I think he probably financed.
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 1: Were you disappointed that you purchased it, because now I'm
• 1:06:58
  Speaker 1: just like, oh, maybe I'll just you know, YouTube the
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 1: rep is reptile stuff if I need to, if I
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 1: need to see some David Ike.
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 2: I mean, it's it's interesting to It's basically a documentary
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 2: about a conspiracy theorist trying to go mainstream and trying
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 2: to rehabilitate his image in a way that maybe the
• 1:07:19
  Speaker 2: public will start listening to him on a larger scale.
• 1:07:22
  Speaker 1: And that's more palatable.
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 2: And that's not that's not a thing I'm opposed to.
• 1:07:27
  Speaker 2: I think I've said, I've said a bunch of times
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 2: on this podcast that that's a shift we sort of need,
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 2: at least in the United States, is to shift away
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 2: from this idea that if you question the official government
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 2: version of a story, you're a conspiracy theorist. Like being
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 2: skeptical of your government is a healthy thing. So and
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 2: especially now, like we know this government's up to some shit,
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 2: and this is not the time to start giving the
• 1:07:55
  Speaker 2: US government the benefit of the doubt. So I'm with
• 1:07:59
  Speaker 2: David Ike on that, Like, I feel like the idea
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 2: of conspiracy theories need to be a little more mainstream.
• 1:08:05
  Speaker 2: But I don't know if I trust his motives. I
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 2: kind of I sometimes want to lump him in with
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 2: Alex Jones. Who Alex Jones I think is I think
• 1:08:18
  Speaker 2: Alex Jones is a government plant. And I think I've
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 2: said this a bunch of times. I think when the
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 2: Internet first started, the government had two choices. Either crack
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 2: down on every story that is posted on the Internet
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 2: as it happens, and tackle each one individually, which, given
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 2: all the shit we've done over the past few decades,
• 1:08:40
  Speaker 2: that's a lot of work.
• 1:08:41
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it takes a lot of bandwidth.
• 1:08:43
  Speaker 2: Or they could just get ahead of the problem and
• 1:08:46
  Speaker 2: discredit the idea of conspiracy theories in general way more efficient,
• 1:08:51
  Speaker 2: and a great way to do that would be to
• 1:08:52
  Speaker 2: put a guy like Alex Jones in place who becomes
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 2: the forefront in the face of the conspiracy theory movement
• 1:08:59
  Speaker 2: and just make sure he spreads a bunch of bullshit
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 2: that is easy to counter and prove as false, because
• 1:09:07
  Speaker 2: if the biggest guy doing it can be discredited, everyone
• 1:09:11
  Speaker 2: else is discredited.
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 2: And you see that now where if someone questions the government,
• 1:09:15
  Speaker 2: people are like, you're Alex Jones.
• 1:09:17
  Speaker 1: Yeah, It's like, no, they're not.
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 2: They just don't believe what the government's saying right now.
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean that's the thing, is, why does it
• 1:09:23
  Speaker 1: have to be so black and white, like if you
• 1:09:26
  Speaker 1: you know, there are other ways, you know, other things
• 1:09:29
  Speaker 1: going on. I I don't know, it's just the idea
• 1:09:35
  Speaker 1: that people aren't open minded, and maybe it's not is
• 1:09:38
  Speaker 1: maybe that's not the easiest way to live the most
• 1:09:42
  Speaker 1: like you know, maybe it's just easier to be asleep
• 1:09:44
  Speaker 1: and kick the can along. But it's Yeah, it's interesting
• 1:09:48
  Speaker 1: to me when people don't question stuff. Yeah, and it's
• 1:09:51
  Speaker 1: easier not to question stuff.
• 1:09:53
  Speaker 2: I think not questioning is a big problem in this country,
• 1:09:57
  Speaker 2: and I think choosing sides is a big problem. Where
• 1:10:02
  Speaker 2: like an example I always use is nationalized Internet. Obama
• 1:10:08
  Speaker 2: pushed that idea in twenty ten, the idea of the
• 1:10:11
  Speaker 2: government building an Internet network that would be controlled by
• 1:10:14
  Speaker 2: the government but would be free to everyone, and everyone
• 1:10:17
  Speaker 2: on the left was like, yes, that sounds great, I
• 1:10:21
  Speaker 2: want free Internet. And then Trump pushed pretty much the
• 1:10:25
  Speaker 2: exact same idea, which in both cases it's a thing
• 1:10:28
  Speaker 2: we need, like we need better internet in this country. Y, yes,
• 1:10:31
  Speaker 2: we do. And everyone on the left was like, no,
• 1:10:33
  Speaker 2: that's like Trump's just gonna spy on us all if
• 1:10:36
  Speaker 2: he does that. Yeah, and it's like we need it,
• 1:10:39
  Speaker 2: like we like the government's gonna spy on you, Like
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 2: we know Obama would a spy on us with that shit.
• 1:10:46
  Speaker 2: He didn't build a national Internet and spied on us.
• 1:10:49
  Speaker 1: What's kind of funny is just you know how some
• 1:10:51
  Speaker 1: people really think the government gives a shit. Yeah, No,
• 1:10:55
  Speaker 1: one's trying to use your Google thing to hear you,
• 1:10:57
  Speaker 1: your Google Home to hear.
• 1:10:58
  Speaker 2: You shitting right, like yeah, and like with the the
• 1:11:02
  Speaker 2: Google Home stuff, like I said, it's in your phone too, yeah,
• 1:11:06
  Speaker 2: if you're not carrying if you stop carrying your phone around,
• 1:11:10
  Speaker 2: maybe the government will stop listening to you.
• 1:11:12
  Speaker 1: Like sleep in my bed with my phone, so yeah, yeah,
• 1:11:16
  Speaker 1: maybe I need to like detach a little bit.
• 1:11:19
  Speaker 2: And the question will always be do we care if
• 1:11:23
  Speaker 2: the government's listening to you?
• 1:11:24
  Speaker 1: I mean, at this point, you know, if they already are,
• 1:11:26
  Speaker 1: like it's it's easier not to have secrets.
• 1:11:29
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, it's easier for them to crack down
• 1:11:31
  Speaker 2: on descent, but I assume it also makes some aspects
• 1:11:36
  Speaker 2: of protecting the country a little easier.
• 1:11:38
  Speaker 1: So once we're initiated into the Illuminati, do we get
• 1:11:42
  Speaker 1: do we get different phones?
• 1:11:44
  Speaker 2: Yeah? I hope we get like one of those dark
• 1:11:47
  Speaker 2: Night kind of things that just tracks the location of
• 1:11:50
  Speaker 2: every phone and we can click on it and find
• 1:11:52
  Speaker 2: out what they're talking about. Tight. So excited to be
• 1:11:54
  Speaker 2: in the Illuminati. I hope we get wigs. Is there
• 1:11:57
  Speaker 2: like a party like British Judges where yeah em powdered
• 1:12:01
  Speaker 2: yeahs for my Illuminati initiation? Uh? All right, So let's
• 1:12:07
  Speaker 2: close out by talking about how this is going to
• 1:12:09
  Speaker 2: be implemented. There are a few different ways people think
• 1:12:12
  Speaker 2: it's going to happen.
• 1:12:13
  Speaker 1: Gradualism, which is peeled the band aid off slowly, Yeah, and.
• 1:12:19
  Speaker 2: This is the idea that's already being implemented, starting with
• 1:12:24
  Speaker 2: the formation of the Federal Reserve back in nineteen thirteen,
• 1:12:28
  Speaker 2: and then every union or initiative since then. People who
• 1:12:32
  Speaker 2: believe in this version of it, they point to those
• 1:12:35
  Speaker 2: as milestones for the New World Order. So like the
• 1:12:38
  Speaker 2: World Bank, the World Trade Organization. Every time something like
• 1:12:42
  Speaker 2: that happens, people go, see, we're getting closer.
• 1:12:45
  Speaker 1: Uh, or there could be a coup rip the band
• 1:12:48
  Speaker 1: aid off.
• 1:12:49
  Speaker 2: Yeah, this is your Second Amendment enthusiasts.
• 1:12:54
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:12:54
  Speaker 2: People who say, well, what happens when the government turns
• 1:12:56
  Speaker 2: tyrannical and we got to start shooting? Yeah, Well the
• 1:12:59
  Speaker 2: answer is the government's going to shoot you with bigger
• 1:13:01
  Speaker 2: guns probably. But what people who abide by this theory
• 1:13:07
  Speaker 2: think is a secret team sent out by the UN
• 1:13:12
  Speaker 2: is just going to kind of cover the world in
• 1:13:15
  Speaker 2: black helicopters. So whenever you hear people talk about black helicopters,
• 1:13:19
  Speaker 2: they're talking about the New World Order.
• 1:13:21
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and why black, I don't know.
• 1:13:24
  Speaker 2: That's always been the conspiracy theory as it relates to
• 1:13:29
  Speaker 2: the New World Order. Is black helicopters?
• 1:13:32
  Speaker 1: Interesting?
• 1:13:32
  Speaker 2: And there's a really interesting interview with Obama. I always
• 1:13:36
  Speaker 2: thought this was such a great answer. Someone asked him
• 1:13:39
  Speaker 2: about the black helicopters and if they exist, and he said, yes,
• 1:13:45
  Speaker 2: but they're not for that oh interastic, Yeah, and then
• 1:13:52
  Speaker 2: we find out it's like weather or something. It's like, oh,
• 1:13:55
  Speaker 2: boring to be enslavement, you know.
• 1:13:58
  Speaker 1: That's the thing is. I feel like sometime conspiracy theories
• 1:14:02
  Speaker 1: are fun and people indulge in them for the excitement, right,
• 1:14:07
  Speaker 1: and it does.
• 1:14:08
  Speaker 2: I don't think it's all even from a national security standpoint.
• 1:14:12
  Speaker 2: I don't think it's always the worst route to take.
• 1:14:16
  Speaker 2: Like a lot of the UFO sightings in the eighties
• 1:14:19
  Speaker 2: and nineties, we can look back in that now, like
• 1:14:22
  Speaker 2: especially the nineties stuff where you would see just groups
• 1:14:25
  Speaker 2: of individual lights moving in ways you don't see lights
• 1:14:29
  Speaker 2: moved like those are drones. We probably those were probably
• 1:14:33
  Speaker 2: just us testing drones. And the government's going to be
• 1:14:36
  Speaker 2: fine with us going those are UFOs. We're like, yeah, sure,
• 1:14:40
  Speaker 2: a our kids don't worry about it. And I think
• 1:14:44
  Speaker 2: that's not necessarily the worst way to approach that, because
• 1:14:48
  Speaker 2: we don't want secrets about the military stuff we're testing
• 1:14:52
  Speaker 2: getting out because we need it to implement the New
• 1:14:55
  Speaker 2: World order at some point and to subjugate humanity, so
• 1:14:58
  Speaker 2: we let the alien store you go.
• 1:15:00
  Speaker 1: It's you know, I guess it's it's good to to
• 1:15:03
  Speaker 1: have clear goals.
• 1:15:05
  Speaker 2: Right, you want to be focused. Yeah, there's also mass surveillance.
• 1:15:09
  Speaker 2: This is when HG. Wells mentioned a technocratic world government.
• 1:15:15
  Speaker 2: It's the idea that eventually technology will advance so much
• 1:15:20
  Speaker 2: that the government can use it to control us.
• 1:15:23
  Speaker 1: But what happens when AI controls the government. It's just
• 1:15:27
  Speaker 1: one operating system that runs the world.
• 1:15:30
  Speaker 2: Maybe AI has been doing this the whole time.
• 1:15:33
  Speaker 1: Who's going to go on walks? Yeah, bunks don't enjoy walks?
• 1:15:36
  Speaker 2: Is gonna feels you know.
• 1:15:38
  Speaker 1: Like, what's why? Why do they need to be on
• 1:15:40
  Speaker 1: earth for this?
• 1:15:41
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, it's a good question. Yeah. The one
• 1:15:45
  Speaker 2: of the the areas where this comes up is five
• 1:15:48
  Speaker 2: G Internet. There are a lot of people who think
• 1:15:51
  Speaker 2: five G Internet is a weaponized frequency that governments are
• 1:15:56
  Speaker 2: going to use to control people. And one of the
• 1:15:59
  Speaker 2: things they mention when people talk about us being cyborgs,
• 1:16:04
  Speaker 2: because we have this phone attached to us at all times.
• 1:16:08
  Speaker 2: The goal is to take that phone out of our
• 1:16:11
  Speaker 2: hands and put it in our head and the really
• 1:16:16
  Speaker 2: the only thing keeping that from being a possibility is
• 1:16:19
  Speaker 2: how slow our internet connections are, and five G Internet
• 1:16:24
  Speaker 2: will fix that. Yeah, and Elon Musk has already announced
• 1:16:28
  Speaker 2: that he's got technology like that ready to come to market.
• 1:16:32
  Speaker 1: There's is he advocating these these technologies being like in
• 1:16:37
  Speaker 1: us in our physical body?
• 1:16:39
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah yeah. The technology it would probably use is
• 1:16:44
  Speaker 2: this thing called smart dust. And smart dust is kind
• 1:16:49
  Speaker 2: of just what it sounds like. It looks like dust.
• 1:16:51
  Speaker 2: It's just small microparticles. But what each of them is
• 1:16:55
  Speaker 2: is a sensor that can read data and transmit and
• 1:16:59
  Speaker 2: record data and uh information about whatever area uh it's in.
• 1:17:06
  Speaker 2: And the thinking is, at some point we'll be able
• 1:17:09
  Speaker 2: to just implant that in our brain and that will
• 1:17:13
  Speaker 2: be your phone, like your phone screen and your Internet
• 1:17:17
  Speaker 2: and everything is just inside your head like you see
• 1:17:20
  Speaker 2: in fucking movies. Yeah, like your your thoughts would basically
• 1:17:26
  Speaker 2: like if I were looking at you and I decided
• 1:17:30
  Speaker 2: I wanted to follow you on Twitter right now, I
• 1:17:32
  Speaker 2: could presumably just do it with my fucking head, which
• 1:17:34
  Speaker 2: is wow, nuts. But that's what and it's not like
• 1:17:39
  Speaker 2: I think it was mit not too long ago. I'll
• 1:17:43
  Speaker 2: link to this on the website, they introduce this product
• 1:17:46
  Speaker 2: that it's not commercially available, but they invented it and
• 1:17:49
  Speaker 2: it works, and it can take your thoughts and transmit
• 1:17:55
  Speaker 2: them to text and select. This exists, Yeah, it exists,
• 1:17:59
  Speaker 2: and because think about when your talk is it does
• 1:18:03
  Speaker 2: and like think about when you're talking to yourself in
• 1:18:05
  Speaker 2: your head, you're still hearing something and you're hearing it
• 1:18:10
  Speaker 2: because of little vibrations that happen inside your ear.
• 1:18:14
  Speaker 1: So there's it's a technology that translates.
• 1:18:17
  Speaker 2: Translates those vibrations in two words. Bows. Just I almost
• 1:18:23
  Speaker 2: fucking bought a pair. I probably still will. They just
• 1:18:25
  Speaker 2: put out these sunglasses that they do. It doesn't go
• 1:18:29
  Speaker 2: in your ear at all like headphones, but when you
• 1:18:33
  Speaker 2: wear these sunglasses, you can hear music, but the people
• 1:18:37
  Speaker 2: around you don't hear it. It literally goes like I think,
• 1:18:41
  Speaker 2: works on reverberations and like inside your temple. And I
• 1:18:46
  Speaker 2: very desperately want to wear a pair of these sunglasses
• 1:18:50
  Speaker 2: because it must just be like music in your head.
• 1:18:53
  Speaker 1: I want to give them a whirl when you have it.
• 1:18:55
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I feel like I'm going to probably buy those soon.
• 1:18:59
  Speaker 2: So that's what people worry about with mass surveillance and
• 1:19:02
  Speaker 2: five G Internet. And it didn't help that we formed
• 1:19:05
  Speaker 2: this office in two thousand and two called the Information
• 1:19:08
  Speaker 2: Awareness Office, and their fucking logo was the Illuminati pyramid
• 1:19:15
  Speaker 2: with the eye looking at the entire world shining a
• 1:19:19
  Speaker 2: light on it with the eye. And people are like, uh,
• 1:19:22
  Speaker 2: that's but it's not even subtle. That's the whole thing.
• 1:19:26
  Speaker 2: And then we got rid of that logo like okay,
• 1:19:29
  Speaker 2: sorry and.
• 1:19:30
  Speaker 1: Little marketing slip yeah, uh sorry.
• 1:19:34
  Speaker 2: And I think the main problem here is everyone wants
• 1:19:37
  Speaker 2: a new world order of some sort like that.
• 1:19:39
  Speaker 1: That's it's just you know, if the world's on fire, Yeah.
• 1:19:42
  Speaker 2: If the world's bad, you want to make it better.
• 1:19:44
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:19:44
  Speaker 2: People are gonna have some wacky ideas about how to
• 1:19:48
  Speaker 2: make that happen. And I don't know if it's necessarily
• 1:19:51
  Speaker 2: a global conspiracy, could be a Russian conspiracy. I put
• 1:19:54
  Speaker 2: some stuff in the notes about the fourth political theory,
• 1:19:58
  Speaker 2: which I don't think I've ever talked on this podcast,
• 1:20:01
  Speaker 2: which is surprising.
• 1:20:02
  Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, so's it's Russian, right, what it is? So
• 1:20:06
  Speaker 1: the first three are fascism, communism, and liberalists.
• 1:20:10
  Speaker 2: Liberalism. Yeah, and there's this guy in Russian named Alexander Dugan,
• 1:20:14
  Speaker 2: who is, depending on who you believe, a very close
• 1:20:18
  Speaker 2: advisor to Vladimir Putin or just sort of an advisor.
• 1:20:22
  Speaker 2: But he's written two books. One of them is used
• 1:20:25
  Speaker 2: as a textbook in Russian military schools now called The
• 1:20:31
  Speaker 2: Foundation of Geo Politics, I believe. But his second book,
• 1:20:35
  Speaker 2: it's called The Fourth Political Theory, and it presents the
• 1:20:39
  Speaker 2: idea like you just said that there are have been
• 1:20:41
  Speaker 2: three political theories fascism, communism, and liberalism, and that liberalism
• 1:20:47
  Speaker 2: defeated fascism in communism, but now liberalism is broken and
• 1:20:52
  Speaker 2: a fourth theory needs to come along and defeat liberalists.
• 1:20:55
  Speaker 1: So they do not have that fourth theory. They're just like,
• 1:20:57
  Speaker 1: this doesn't work. We need something else.
• 1:20:59
  Speaker 2: No, they have theory.
• 1:21:00
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 1:21:02
  Speaker 2: It's basically a mishmash of a bunch of different versions
• 1:21:07
  Speaker 2: of fascism where each country is allowed to hate however
• 1:21:13
  Speaker 2: they want. And it's why you're seeing again these fascist
• 1:21:18
  Speaker 2: movements that are pushing this idea of well, this is
• 1:21:21
  Speaker 2: what traditionally this country has been, and we just we
• 1:21:24
  Speaker 2: just want to go back to that. What's so wrong?
• 1:21:26
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's really not this novel idea. Then it's not
• 1:21:28
  Speaker 1: like it's back to one.
• 1:21:31
  Speaker 2: Right, but it's it's the idea that, yes, every country
• 1:21:34
  Speaker 2: gets to do that and gets to hate the way
• 1:21:37
  Speaker 2: they want, but you also have to agree with Russia
• 1:21:39
  Speaker 2: as it pertains to trade and monetary policy toward the West.
• 1:21:45
  Speaker 2: Beyond that, everything everything's on the table. You get to
• 1:21:49
  Speaker 2: be whatever country you want. We just have one idea
• 1:21:52
  Speaker 2: about how to treat the West, and if you read
• 1:21:55
  Speaker 2: it like a lot of there they talk about how
• 1:21:58
  Speaker 2: it's not going to be a thing they achieved through
• 1:22:00
  Speaker 2: fighting wars. It's going to be a thing they achieve
• 1:22:03
  Speaker 2: through going into countries that oppose them and finding divisions
• 1:22:09
  Speaker 2: they can exploit. Oh yeah, which is a thing we
• 1:22:12
  Speaker 2: know they do right now, and also trying to get
• 1:22:17
  Speaker 2: countries that have entered into treaties to break those treaties.
• 1:22:21
  Speaker 2: And that's a thing we hear Trump talk about a
• 1:22:23
  Speaker 2: lot now, especially NATO and things like that. So it's
• 1:22:27
  Speaker 2: a thing like you can read an actual book about
• 1:22:30
  Speaker 2: it and know that someone is trying to do it,
• 1:22:33
  Speaker 2: and you can go out into the world and see
• 1:22:36
  Speaker 2: that it's happening. So that's kind of the problem with
• 1:22:40
  Speaker 2: this conspiracy theory is it's not really a conspiracy theory.
• 1:22:44
  Speaker 2: We know someone out there wants to control the world,
• 1:22:46
  Speaker 2: and we know there's people out there that want to
• 1:22:48
  Speaker 2: change the world.
• 1:22:49
  Speaker 1: So I mean, these different conspiracy theories just have different
• 1:22:52
  Speaker 1: players and imply a certain level of organization right with
• 1:22:57
  Speaker 1: these players.
• 1:22:58
  Speaker 2: And what's ironic to me is the Russian version is
• 1:23:02
  Speaker 2: the one that we can point to actually happening and
• 1:23:06
  Speaker 2: being carried out around the world.
• 1:23:08
  Speaker 1: Is there some tie of like this fourth what is
• 1:23:12
  Speaker 1: it called for?
• 1:23:12
  Speaker 2: Fourth Political Theory?
• 1:23:13
  Speaker 1: Fourth Political Theory and Fourth Reich?
• 1:23:15
  Speaker 2: I don't know. I've never thought about that. It wouldn't
• 1:23:18
  Speaker 2: surprise me. I could, like, I haven't, Like, I don't
• 1:23:23
  Speaker 2: think they would in that book be like, yeah, this
• 1:23:26
  Speaker 2: is the continuation of Nazi shit. Yeah, but it's possible.
• 1:23:30
  Speaker 2: I haven't, like, I haven't looked into the Fourth Reich
• 1:23:33
  Speaker 2: stuff that much. There's so much research to do for
• 1:23:36
  Speaker 2: this podcast. Yeah, it's crazy, but the like the.
• 1:23:39
  Speaker 1: Russian you can get so many episodes.
• 1:23:41
  Speaker 2: Yeah, like the the Russian thing. It's what's ironic about
• 1:23:45
  Speaker 2: it to me is you can see it being put
• 1:23:47
  Speaker 2: in to action all around the world. But then we're
• 1:23:50
  Speaker 2: getting to a point in the country now where at
• 1:23:52
  Speaker 2: least people on the right. Well, whenever you mention Russia,
• 1:23:55
  Speaker 2: they'll be like, you see Russia everywhere, and it's like,
• 1:23:57
  Speaker 2: maybe we should see Russia everywhere. Yeah, maybe Russia is
• 1:24:01
  Speaker 2: the fucking problem. And I feel like there's more proof
• 1:24:04
  Speaker 2: for that than there is the New World Order. But
• 1:24:06
  Speaker 2: I guess we'll all find out when we're all enslaved
• 1:24:09
  Speaker 2: by well one new Age leader.
• 1:24:12
  Speaker 1: You know, we're gonna be in the little vip Illuminati.
• 1:24:16
  Speaker 2: Yeah, hopefully, hopefully we're ascended masters by then and we
• 1:24:20
  Speaker 2: don't have to worry about we'll be doing the subjugating.
• 1:24:23
  Speaker 1: Ideally, well yeah for maybe a different dimension.
• 1:24:27
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that would be nice. We should go colonize something.
• 1:24:32
  Speaker 2: Why not colonized space? But uh, that's our colonize just
• 1:24:37
  Speaker 2: empty space. Ye wow, yeah, space isn't real by the way.
• 1:24:41
  Speaker 2: That comes up on the Dinosaur conspiracy episode. Also, people
• 1:24:45
  Speaker 2: who think dinosaurs are fake also think outer space is fake.
• 1:24:48
  Speaker 2: It's pretty fascinating. Uh, that's our episode for this week.
• 1:24:53
  Speaker 2: We I don't know how many episodes the New World
• 1:24:56
  Speaker 2: Order is gonna end up being, but have a series
• 1:24:59
  Speaker 2: definitely next We're talking about season the Lucius Trust.
• 1:25:03
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm looking forward to talking about that. I started
• 1:25:06
  Speaker 1: reading a little bit.
• 1:25:06
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that one's going to be interesting. That's the thing.
• 1:25:08
  Speaker 2: I want to scan through something. That woman wrote twenty
• 1:25:11
  Speaker 2: four books and I'm not going to read them all,
• 1:25:13
  Speaker 2: but if there's like one version that summarizes them all,
• 1:25:17
  Speaker 2: maybe I could check that out. But uh, she's like
• 1:25:20
  Speaker 2: the foundation of the New Age movement. Yeah, so there's
• 1:25:23
  Speaker 2: probably a lot to unpack there. So we'll talk about
• 1:25:26
  Speaker 2: that next week. In the meantime, Thank you so much
• 1:25:29
  Speaker 2: for doing the podcast. I appreciate it.
• 1:25:31
  Speaker 1: Always a pleasure. This was I love a lot of stuff.
• 1:25:34
  Speaker 1: I love talking about this stuff.
• 1:25:36
  Speaker 2: Good I Uh, I'm I'm really happy here on the
• 1:25:39
  Speaker 2: show this week. Uh what do we have to plug
• 1:25:42
  Speaker 2: before we get out of here? Oh?
• 1:25:43
  Speaker 1: Okay, So I'm on. I'm on the internet at physitis
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• 1:25:51
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• 1:26:00
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• 1:26:14
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• 1:26:23
  Speaker 2: get the fuck out of here, say goodbye, see y'all,
• 1:26:27
  Speaker 2: goodbye everybody, We love you.