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Tim West on rejecting everything you think you know - Jerm Warfare · UK Column Radio

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  Speaker 1: H h.
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  Speaker 2: Have you been to my side of the world.
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  Speaker 3: I have never No, I've never left Europe. I've never
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  Speaker 3: left Europe. I went around Europe with my dad to
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  Speaker 3: all lots of countries when about forty years ago.
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  Speaker 2: But you said, hold on, what are you in the
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  Speaker 2: UK or in Europe now?
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  Speaker 3: I'm in the UK. When I said, yeah, but I
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  Speaker 3: have been to Europe. I've not been to any other continent.
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  Speaker 4: Okay, Ah, that's a party. You must come. It's great
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  Speaker 4: down here.
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  Speaker 3: I would I'd love to come with if I'm allowed
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  Speaker 3: out of the country, you know, and spending how things
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  Speaker 3: turn out in this trenches, but.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I'd love to.
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  Speaker 3: You know.
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  Speaker 4: I play with that metaphor all the time, the trenchers
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  Speaker 4: and information war and battle of ideas. But we kind
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  Speaker 4: of are in even a physical war, aren't we.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely, physical weapons and mainly mental weapons.
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  Speaker 2: I think, well, what I mean, it's like vaccines.
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  Speaker 3: Vaccines that yeah, absolutely, I mean, right from the beginning,
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  Speaker 3: that's just been them. As we're finding out, I mean,
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  Speaker 3: do you know Katherine wa and Sacilati Pover, you know,
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  Speaker 3: just pointing out that right from the start they were just.
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  Speaker 1: Carnage and and necessarily so.
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  Speaker 4: It's the transmission Failure substack that just absolutely gripped me.
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  Speaker 1: It's quite a short one, isn't it really?
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  Speaker 3: I mean, and it's just a list of two hundred
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  Speaker 3: and twenty years of transmission experiments and a big nod
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  Speaker 3: to Daniel Reutak who's compiled them in his book and
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  Speaker 3: then his other stuff substack.
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  Speaker 1: What really? No, not really? I was so I was ill?
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  Speaker 1: So what was it? Another one? You know?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm so proud to be working with Mike because
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  Speaker 3: I've watched somebody change his views upon evidence without without
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  Speaker 3: flicking a switch, without dropping. I don't know what the
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  Speaker 3: metaphor is, but honestly, it's fantastic to see because a
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  Speaker 3: career like that and he's going to go hang on.
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  Speaker 1: No, okay. That's so. It's been very inspirational and I'm.
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  Speaker 3: Very amazingly proud to work for I mean, yeah, it
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  Speaker 3: was just out of the blue, because you know, he
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  Speaker 3: was with Robin Manotti and they just weren't some things
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  Speaker 3: weren't yelling. So Mike left Robin Manotti and I just
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  Speaker 3: I've been talking to m m and stuff, so I
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  Speaker 3: just I said, I know, you don't like social media
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  Speaker 3: and all that stuff. Do you want me to set
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  Speaker 3: up your telegram? And I thought there'd be no chance
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  Speaker 3: because he's a hero of the world, I think. And
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  Speaker 3: a week later he said, yeah, go on, let's go
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  Speaker 3: for it. And that's how it started. Really and now
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  Speaker 3: he's one of my I mean, I love him, he's
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  Speaker 3: one of my best friends.
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  Speaker 1: And you know, it's it's been fantastic.
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  Speaker 3: You know, I think I mentioned it before, but you know,
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  Speaker 3: some people, you know, we've all got some degree of
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  Speaker 3: persona and.
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  Speaker 1: Professional mask and everything to.
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  Speaker 3: And with some people like Mike, you can you can
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  Speaker 3: just see that you're talking right through integrital integrity of
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  Speaker 3: his core. You know, you're getting the real deal, and
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  Speaker 3: you know, and it's it's not always to see that
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  Speaker 3: easy to see that, and so you know, so I've
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  Speaker 3: got total trust for him because you know, I think
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  Speaker 3: it shines. You know, we're all trying to decide who
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  Speaker 3: to trust. I think even Paul Ryano had had question
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  Speaker 3: marks from some people. But you know, I think it's
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  Speaker 3: looking more and more clear that you know, for four years,
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  Speaker 3: I haven't had an illness since I understood that you
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  Speaker 3: can't catch it and all that psychological bullshites. It's it's amazing,
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  Speaker 3: but no, I was. I mean, I've been fighting vaccines
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  Speaker 3: for well since my first son was conceived, you know,
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  Speaker 3: and somebody gave me a leaflet in the pay playground
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  Speaker 3: because there was no internet, no internet and gold st
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  Speaker 3: and I think it was you know, Dr Hadwin's address,
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  Speaker 3: and I thought, well, this doesn't look right, you know,
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  Speaker 3: and with a bit of that because there was you know, books,
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  Speaker 3: and they said, oh, I'm not going to vaccinate my son.
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  Speaker 1: And all my other children.
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  Speaker 3: And it was a gut feeling at first, and then
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  Speaker 3: as as I went through looking at all the stuff,
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  Speaker 3: I realized. But it was very hard, nosays, to get
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  Speaker 3: any traction talking to people at all.
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  Speaker 1: You know, you were, you know, complete pariah. But I
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  Speaker 1: still had no idea.
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  Speaker 3: The germ theory was dodgy until you know, twenty probably
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  Speaker 3: early twenty twenty one. Really, yeah about that Sam Bailey video.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, Sam also was my gateway?
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  Speaker 1: All right? Yeah? Which one was it for you?
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  Speaker 2: I can't remember.
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  Speaker 1: It?
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  Speaker 2: Does?
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  Speaker 4: I think it was like already back in twenty twenty two. Well,
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  Speaker 4: let me just quit the give an anecdote gem and
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  Speaker 4: let's see, let's let's share stories here. So in twenty nineteen.
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  Speaker 4: I wasn't entirely enormy, but I think I was a
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  Speaker 4: hell of a lot more normally then. You know, I
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  Speaker 4: didn't buy into the climate change thing already, and a
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  Speaker 4: few other things I was questioning.
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  Speaker 2: You know, the moon, the moon landing and whatever else.
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  Speaker 4: But yeah, no, I don't think I was questioning nine
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  Speaker 4: to eleven actually in twenty nineteen.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, because that's quite an early one some people, isn't it.
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  Speaker 4: It's like, yeah, yeah, ninety eleven. Yeah, it's an interesting
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  Speaker 4: Ditmas test, isn't it.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, especially now with the three layers, you know.
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  Speaker 3: I mean for a while I was in the layer
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  Speaker 3: two and going to somebody, oh, you know, explosives, and
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  Speaker 3: then you see first fresh wood, and you literally say,
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  Speaker 3: where did the towers go?
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  Speaker 1: Then there you go, Yes, then you've got something else.
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  Speaker 4: Yes, I was going to give an anecdotes, so sorry.
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  Speaker 4: In twenty twenty, I saw this, like we ordered. I
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  Speaker 4: saw this thing unfolding in northern Italy, and I thought
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  Speaker 4: at the time that it was just another kind of
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  Speaker 4: virus spreading, and I came to the conclusion that it
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  Speaker 4: was very mild and it was nothing ready.
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  Speaker 2: To worry about.
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  Speaker 4: And then suddenly when everybody started getting locked down in March,
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  Speaker 4: and it was just beyond coincidence, and I started thinking,
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  Speaker 4: something doesn't make sense here, and that was when I
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  Speaker 4: started thinking a bit deeper. And I remember towards the
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  Speaker 4: end of twenty twenty, my wife came walking down the
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  Speaker 4: stairs and I think I was busy watching the first
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  Speaker 4: sort of documentary about the events of COVID, and in
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  Speaker 4: it they were suggesting that that there was no such
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  Speaker 4: thing as SARS CoV too, it hadn't been isolated. And
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  Speaker 4: I cannot remember now what the documentary was anyway, so
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  Speaker 4: she came down the stairs and I looked at it
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  Speaker 4: and asked her, what if this all things not real?
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  Speaker 4: And that kind of led into twenty twenty one, and
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  Speaker 4: then I started thinking more and more and more about
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  Speaker 4: the existence of COVID. I hadn't really questioned viruses, and
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  Speaker 4: I think it was around the end of twenty twenty
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  Speaker 4: one where I stumbled across Sam Bailey and it was
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  Speaker 4: and then I was fascinated by this idea that viruses
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  Speaker 4: don't exist, and I thought this is bonkers. Yeah invanly, Yeah, anyway,
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  Speaker 4: So what I mean, what's your what's your story?
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  Speaker 3: Well, so obviously, as probably like you, beginning to see
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  Speaker 3: that large elements of the COVID narrative didn't seem to
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  Speaker 3: make sense.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, everyone's doing all this stuff, and I'm going,
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  Speaker 1: do you know anybody he's got really ill? You know
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  Speaker 1: at all? Do you know anybody who's died? And dropped that?
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  Speaker 3: At that stage, you know, we're talking about early twenty twenty,
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  Speaker 3: and it's going, oh, well, you know, and you're going,
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  Speaker 3: what do.
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  Speaker 1: You mean it all?
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  Speaker 3: Well, you know, use your eyes, look around you you know,
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  Speaker 3: what's it didn't make any sense, but it was well
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  Speaker 3: and then you know, you see more and more things
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  Speaker 3: and you kind of more and more skittles get knocked over.
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  Speaker 3: And then I was watching the Sam Bailey video on
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  Speaker 3: Spanish flu and you know, and I watched it and
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  Speaker 3: I was saying, hang on, you know this, well you're
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  Speaker 3: not you're not saying that there wasn't a flu, but
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  Speaker 3: you are obviously saying that, but you know, and it
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  Speaker 3: really was. It was like, well, that's ridiculous, that's ridiculous,
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  Speaker 3: you know. And then but I got I'm only thinking
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  Speaker 3: that because I was so you know, I've been a
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  Speaker 3: buddy scientist all my life. And kind of everything signs
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  Speaker 3: science science, and I still love what science should be.
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  Speaker 3: But you realized that this packing excuse me, there's precious
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  Speaker 3: little science.
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  Speaker 2: I've gotta I've gotta got a beeper.
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  Speaker 3: I warn you next time I do it. Sorry, yeah, yeah,
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  Speaker 3: oh yeah. And it didn't make any sense. And that's
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  Speaker 3: so I look too more and I got virus Mania. Well,
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  Speaker 3: first of all, I saw her interview about Kernline and
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  Speaker 3: just how exciting I'm now going to be involved with
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  Speaker 3: a new version of virus mania, and so oh okay,
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  Speaker 3: well I'll get that. And I read it top to bottom.
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  Speaker 3: It's a bloodly it's a very thick book, and it's
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  Speaker 3: brilliant in the sense that you can't possibly read it
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  Speaker 3: and come out thinking without serious doubts or you know,
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  Speaker 3: so I just want And then you start looking more
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  Speaker 3: and more Jamie Andrews, Well, Stephan Lanka, you know, Stepan
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  Speaker 3: Lanka is the big guy.
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  Speaker 4: Yes, exactly. So that for me was was really mind blowing.
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  Speaker 4: So from from Sam's videos, I started, I was still
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  Speaker 4: using Google then. I haven't used Google in about two
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  Speaker 4: and a half years now, but I was still googling
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  Speaker 4: stuff then, and I stumbled across Stefan Lanka and then
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  Speaker 4: from there a whole new world kind of opened.
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  Speaker 3: Absolutely, yeah, yeah, I mean, and then he's kind of
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  Speaker 3: his early Lanka and then there's late Lancer now and
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  Speaker 3: you're going, oh, now, I'm struggling to keep up with that.
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  Speaker 3: You know, combination of Lanka and Hamer German medicine, I'm
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  Speaker 3: finding is very very I mean, it's so positive to think,
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  Speaker 3: hang on, what if the body isn't going wrong? What
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  Speaker 3: if it actually it possibly stuck in a cycle of
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  Speaker 3: some but what's actually doing healing stuff? I mean, you
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  Speaker 3: look at Hamer and you mention, you think, well, actually, yeah,
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  Speaker 3: that makes a lot of sense. And it's nearly all
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  Speaker 3: psychological is but all these shocks that you know, the
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  Speaker 3: biological shocks that we're not ready for, and they have
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  Speaker 3: these facts and they have to come out in physical
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  Speaker 3: forms because they and again the whole new biology thing,
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  Speaker 3: you know, it's.
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  Speaker 1: These bits and pieces are are they really there?
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  Speaker 3: Doesn't not like it really only little mccano's bit that
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  Speaker 3: we're supposed to. It's all supposed to be made off.
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  Speaker 3: It's doesn't seem to have any any backing.
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  Speaker 4: When I was chatting to Jessica Hockett a few months ago.
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  Speaker 4: She's got a wonderful substack and she's very funny. I
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  Speaker 4: strongly recommend following her. She summed up perfectly the whole
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  Speaker 4: COVID era because she was if you look at a
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  Speaker 4: substec she has focused a lot on the New York
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  Speaker 4: hospital data. So she so she said to me in
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  Speaker 4: twenty twenty, I I started out looking at the hospital
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  Speaker 4: data in New York, and I ended up questioning whether
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  Speaker 4: or not we'd ended on the moon.
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  Speaker 1: That's all, yeah, all of us. Yeah, you grab your
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  Speaker 1: hole after rab your hole, and you go, well, that
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  Speaker 1: one's obviously ridiculous. I'm going to part that one.
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  Speaker 3: And then a few months later, well and then you go,
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  Speaker 3: oh yeah, I don't get that one too.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah no that's true.
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  Speaker 3: Oh yeah, that that's the fake that was stage that
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  Speaker 3: didn't happen, that was completely inverted.
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  Speaker 1: That's bollocks science, you know, it's oh and anymore.
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  Speaker 3: And then you start thinking, oh, what what is left,
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  Speaker 3: which is why I started, you know, my my two
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  Speaker 3: color protocol thing where you just say, well, what actually
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  Speaker 3: is real that you know? And what are the stories
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  Speaker 3: that are on top of it? There might be good stories,
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  Speaker 3: but just keep them separate. So what do we what
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  Speaker 3: do I actually know? Because otherwise it's so easy to
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  Speaker 3: join the dots, isn't it. I mean, I've probably, like you,
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  Speaker 3: you know, for a while, I was believing gain of functions, saying, oh,
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  Speaker 3: it's a man made virus.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, look look at the clues.
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  Speaker 3: It's got these bits, And then you go, oh, yeah, no, yes,
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  Speaker 3: it was man made in a computer. It's not real,
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  Speaker 3: you know, And so you have to you go down
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  Speaker 3: one rabbit hole, and then a bit later you go on.
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  Speaker 3: Now that one's because I do think that there are
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  Speaker 3: lots of rabbit holes deliberately put for the unwary and
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  Speaker 3: like you know, to get critical thinkers locked into kind
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  Speaker 3: of sometimes nonsense. Although the vast majority of conspiracy theories
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  Speaker 3: do seem to be have some accuracy.
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  Speaker 4: I'll tell you one. I'll tell you one that I
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  Speaker 4: think might be a trap. And I have to be
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  Speaker 4: careful you because it's a bit of a minefield. But
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  Speaker 4: it's the it's the perpetual jew jew jew thing the
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  Speaker 4: whole time, because the world is a lot more complex
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  Speaker 4: than just.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, I think it's a combination of trap and
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  Speaker 3: also maybe he's deliberately, you know, very carefully laid scapegoat
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  Speaker 3: trap really, which I do think it involves the conflation
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  Speaker 3: of two very different things.
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  Speaker 1: You know.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's supposed to be anti semitic to conflate Israel
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  Speaker 3: with Judaism, and yet or zion is on with Judaism,
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  Speaker 3: and yet they are completely conflated, and they shouldn't be
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  Speaker 3: because you know, I'm very happy to stand against Zionism,
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  Speaker 3: which I think is terrible supremacy doctrine that probably looks
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  Speaker 3: like made by the West and shoved in there to
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  Speaker 3: cause trouble. But that's you know, so it's very difficult
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  Speaker 3: when people everything get lumped in together and you're going, yeah,
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  Speaker 3: I mean it's oh, it's all the Muslims. Oh, it's
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  Speaker 3: all the Jews and all these and it can't be coincident.
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  Speaker 3: So all these people are fighting each other. You know,
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  Speaker 3: That's what it's intended, isn't it. They wanted all by
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  Speaker 3: and large, You know, people are great unless they've been
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  Speaker 3: mangled a lot and they're a bit defensive and ended up.
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  Speaker 1: Fighting for their own corner in a way that's insane.
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  Speaker 3: But most people, I find, if you give Marth a chance,
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  Speaker 3: in the right situation that they're there to help, they're
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  Speaker 3: there to be friendly, you know, so you can't it's
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  Speaker 3: ridiculous to say this entire group. I call it umbrellaing
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  Speaker 3: where because you can't use words like racism just like
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  Speaker 3: google loaded and complicated. So I just call it umbrella
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  Speaker 3: y where you say, and then take all these people,
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  Speaker 3: and then I'm going to take these small group who
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  Speaker 3: claim to act in the name of the small, all
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  Speaker 3: these people, and I'm going to judge the whole people
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  Speaker 3: on the basis of these people who say they are
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  Speaker 3: in this group. I mean it, that's I think that's
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  Speaker 3: what you're referring to.
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  Speaker 1: Really, excuse me, sign.
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  Speaker 2: Like me.
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  Speaker 4: I'm sure many of my audience I hadn't heard of
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  Speaker 4: you still might not even know who Tom Wist is.
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  Speaker 4: So who's Tom Wist?
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  Speaker 1: Tim? This is a complex character. No, I'm not really so.
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  Speaker 1: So I was.
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  Speaker 3: So so, you know, I was brought up kind of
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  Speaker 3: a class called music y and science, and I was
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  Speaker 3: in the National Youth or extra over here playing bassoon
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  Speaker 3: the concert soon that's it. It's quite humorous to see me,
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  Speaker 3: I think twelve or fifteen or something playing huge. So
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  Speaker 3: I was and I went to you know, and in
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  Speaker 3: a paid school, so I was all very interested and
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  Speaker 3: it was a very good one. So I was went
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  Speaker 3: to all sorts of stuff and I was all quite normal.
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  Speaker 3: And then I went to Cambridge and did maths and
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  Speaker 3: with four as into the things like quantum mechanics and
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  Speaker 3: economics and oh and then when I left Cambridge, I
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  Speaker 3: kind of basically started doing what I always have been mostly,
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  Speaker 3: which is a musician. And so that's what I've been
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  Speaker 3: doing without And then really I stumbled on the how
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  Speaker 3: because I done so much music and I was teaching
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  Speaker 3: One day in a I used to the head of
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  Speaker 3: music of the adult and adult college. That's an amazing
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  Speaker 3: story because I've had no teaching qualifications and I was
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  Speaker 3: busking on the street and a woman from a private
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  Speaker 3: primary school said, oh, you're what we need for ahead
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  Speaker 3: of music.
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  Speaker 1: So I came in.
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  Speaker 3: I was head of music there and then after there
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  Speaker 3: for a bit, this kind of huge adult college was
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  Speaker 3: it was the last days of this Maverick leader, you know,
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  Speaker 3: before everything became all the shutters came down everywhere. You've
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  Speaker 3: got to have accredited accreditations. This is the new system.
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  Speaker 3: You've got to have. You can't comply to pass through,
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  Speaker 3: you know. But it was just before that, and so
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  Speaker 3: she put me it's head of music at this huge
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  Speaker 3: adult colleges. Was like twenty thousand students in the music
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  Speaker 3: department and twenty tutors, So two thousand tudents and twenty
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  Speaker 3: tutors to look after, and that was that was quite fun.
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  Speaker 3: So I was there all being all quite but all
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  Speaker 3: the time up and then the bands, and then when
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  Speaker 3: I was teaching one day on the this long anecdote
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  Speaker 3: of a classical piano for pleasure. Now, I don't know
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  Speaker 3: if you go adult college is often they're very good
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  Speaker 3: way for people to get back into society, people who
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  Speaker 3: may be a little not so good at communicating with others,
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  Speaker 3: or you know, have problems. So I had a class
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  Speaker 3: of ten people who wanted to learn to play jazz piano,
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  Speaker 3: and I tried every way I knew to teach the
• 19:35
  Speaker 3: basic boom boom five to one, called you know, the
• 19:39
  Speaker 3: simple case, and I'd come back next week. So, right,
• 19:43
  Speaker 3: who can't play me a just a five one in C?
• 19:48
  Speaker 3: And then there were some blank stares. Again I was thinking, okay,
• 19:51
  Speaker 3: and I thought there must be a way.
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: And then wonder I was on the board and.
• 19:56
  Speaker 3: Clyded all together my maths, my degree in maths and
• 20:02
  Speaker 3: doing lots of that since then, the wanting to get
• 20:07
  Speaker 3: this idea of music, and suddenly I saw something was
• 20:09
  Speaker 3: oh my goodness, that's anyway.
• 20:12
  Speaker 1: So it really made me some of the fact that
• 20:15
  Speaker 1: this music is really simple.
• 20:17
  Speaker 3: I'm making a video now a music theory where I
• 20:19
  Speaker 3: reckon you can understand all of it in no time
• 20:21
  Speaker 3: at all. It's so simple, and some things have been missed.
• 20:25
  Speaker 3: So that kind of and I started doing more programming
• 20:28
  Speaker 3: and making things. But and then I basically really all
• 20:31
  Speaker 3: went back into full science mode. In twenty ninety I
• 20:37
  Speaker 3: ended up, well, I live in a vat this is
• 20:40
  Speaker 3: my home. I live in a mobile home for four years.
• 20:45
  Speaker 3: I wasn't quite welcome with my ideas where I was
• 20:48
  Speaker 3: living and it wasn't my house.
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: So that was that.
• 20:53
  Speaker 3: And so yeah, so I've got a music studio worker.
• 20:59
  Speaker 3: But then it's a bit rambling, isn't it. But basically
• 21:02
  Speaker 3: I started what I am now is I would say
• 21:07
  Speaker 3: now is I'm the To me, the most important thing
• 21:10
  Speaker 3: is I'm a small child pointing at a naked emperor.
• 21:14
  Speaker 3: And I'm not showing anything new, and I'm not doing
• 21:17
  Speaker 3: anything radical, But the two color protocol is what I
• 21:21
  Speaker 3: really am most interested in people understanding, because it's just
• 21:25
  Speaker 3: saying stop believing bullshit. That's all it is. Because you know, basically,
• 21:31
  Speaker 3: in science you've got two things. You've got data, actual
• 21:34
  Speaker 3: real stuff that happened.
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: I saw it.
• 21:37
  Speaker 3: That's weird, and then you've got all the stories woven
• 21:39
  Speaker 3: around it. And what's happened is stories that seem quite
• 21:42
  Speaker 3: good and get through. They've been shoved into the real
• 21:45
  Speaker 3: world as if they're true. And there's a load of
• 21:47
  Speaker 3: stuff that we're told is true, and that's as you know,
• 21:50
  Speaker 3: like like viruses kill. That's just one of many. So
• 21:55
  Speaker 3: how do you stop all this nonsense happening in science?
• 22:00
  Speaker 3: The two cover procolss It's very simple. Just make sure
• 22:03
  Speaker 3: in your paper that you make sure you clearly distinguish
• 22:08
  Speaker 3: what is the data and what is the model. Because
• 22:13
  Speaker 3: the model, if it's a universal model, it's never going
• 22:15
  Speaker 3: to be true because.
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: You might be proved wrong any days.
• 22:19
  Speaker 3: You've got to be very so if you do that process,
• 22:22
  Speaker 3: then you end up insane and scientific. So this is
• 22:26
  Speaker 3: what I really would and I say a small child
• 22:29
  Speaker 3: because it's literally it's like I'm not of anything new.
• 22:31
  Speaker 3: I'm just saying, just be careful. You don't take a
• 22:34
  Speaker 3: story and act as if it's truth. I mean, it's
• 22:38
  Speaker 3: not really a radical thing to say, but what I'm
• 22:41
  Speaker 3: saying is none of us do it very well. I'm
• 22:43
  Speaker 3: learning more to it all the time. You know, you've
• 22:45
  Speaker 3: got you put your narratives on top of something. You know,
• 22:47
  Speaker 3: you're in a bar and somebody looks at your funny.
• 22:52
  Speaker 3: You think, I'm not saying this is a true sory,
• 22:54
  Speaker 3: but somebody looks at you funny and then they.
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: Absolutely not. You drink over and he's having a bad.
• 23:01
  Speaker 3: Time, he's I'm in trouble with his girlfriend, and you're
• 23:05
  Speaker 3: not strength. Have you turned around to say sorry, he's
• 23:07
  Speaker 3: going to going and you anyway, long shot of it,
• 23:11
  Speaker 3: you've misinterpret everything with your narrative on top of it.
• 23:14
  Speaker 3: You're banned from the bar and you're because it's all this.
• 23:18
  Speaker 3: So this is in practical situations everywhere. You've got to say,
• 23:22
  Speaker 3: hang on, hang on, how much of what I'm aware
• 23:25
  Speaker 3: of now is but which bits are actually what is true?
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: And which bits are narrative?
• 23:31
  Speaker 3: And my claim is that we're not very good at
• 23:33
  Speaker 3: SID and I'm not, but we've got to focus on it.
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: And science. It just absolutely fundamental, fundamental and science.
• 23:40
  Speaker 2: Science are very broken, isn't it.
• 23:42
  Speaker 3: It is very very broken. It's completely broken. There's very
• 23:46
  Speaker 3: little science in it because it's not scientific. I mean,
• 23:50
  Speaker 3: road is not scientific, is it. You can't say you're
• 23:53
  Speaker 3: going to prove something by saying something exists, by saying
• 23:59
  Speaker 3: we're going to take fluid containing the virus and you go.
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: So you can't say you can't assume the existence of
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: the virus in order to prove the existence of the virus.
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: That's just not even remotely scientific. And yet the entire
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: field is based on it, and the whole world was
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: shut down on it. So yeah, science is Science is
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: very broken, and it can be mended, I think by
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: a rigorous very rigorous So for example, in every paper,
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: I would say you can color every sentence green or pink.
• 24:33
  Speaker 3: If it's actual, real stuff that you witness is green.
• 24:39
  Speaker 3: If it's a story, then it's pink. And if you're saying,
• 24:43
  Speaker 3: for example, that a virus is a green thing, an
• 24:46
  Speaker 3: actual existing thing, you could say, okay, well, at the
• 24:51
  Speaker 3: moment in your paper, you haven't shown that show me
• 24:53
  Speaker 3: the first paper where it was established as a real
• 24:58
  Speaker 3: thing rather than just a story. So I mean, I've
• 25:02
  Speaker 3: got my video about space badger rology. You know, space
• 25:05
  Speaker 3: badgers might like might like my space badgers. He's always
• 25:08
  Speaker 3: quoting them. Now it's just nice. You know, you can
• 25:11
  Speaker 3: do the same worlds experiments to prove it. It's space batches.
• 25:14
  Speaker 3: Because you say, I'll take some glue containing space badgers.
• 25:20
  Speaker 3: I'm going to put it in the cells, starve them,
• 25:22
  Speaker 3: mob cells dead, brilliant, and space badgers kill them. You
• 25:27
  Speaker 3: can't just invent something and then say that something would
• 25:31
  Speaker 3: happen if this was existed, and you see that happens,
• 25:34
  Speaker 3: say it must exist. I mean, it's like the Santa thing.
• 25:38
  Speaker 3: You know, if Santa exists, you'll find presents under the tree.
• 25:42
  Speaker 3: But you can't just go and say, ro look, we
• 25:44
  Speaker 3: had a look and there were presence under the tree.
• 25:46
  Speaker 3: Therefore Santra exists. But that's more rologistic. And yeah, science
• 25:49
  Speaker 3: is full of all that dark matter. Do you believe
• 25:52
  Speaker 3: in dark matter? Mathematical models treated as reality? And I'm
• 26:00
  Speaker 3: doubting Einstein now for lots of reasons. When you look
• 26:04
  Speaker 3: at the actual evidence, these big structures are put on
• 26:08
  Speaker 3: us and you go okay, and you.
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: Hang You know, this lovely story is really beautiful.
• 26:14
  Speaker 3: It makes a lot of sense, but you know how
• 26:17
  Speaker 3: much actual data backs it up, and this pressure is little,
• 26:22
  Speaker 3: and you know, you can.
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: Do anything with newton mechanics.
• 26:24
  Speaker 3: I'm not saying newton mechanics is correct, but I'm just
• 26:26
  Speaker 3: saying using Newtonian mechanics you can do pretty much everything,
• 26:31
  Speaker 3: well everything really. I mean, computers are one to discuss,
• 26:34
  Speaker 3: but dark.
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: Matter and dark energy are the maddest things ever.
• 26:40
  Speaker 3: So they look in the universe and they say, oh,
• 26:44
  Speaker 3: it's not actually behaving as our equations say it should.
• 26:48
  Speaker 3: So they said, what we need is that this seventy
• 26:50
  Speaker 3: percent of the universe is undetectable dark matter, which is
• 26:58
  Speaker 3: no way of detecting it. And it's there, and it's
• 27:00
  Speaker 3: there because otherwise the equations wouldn't.
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: Work, would they.
• 27:03
  Speaker 3: And I thought a normal person would say, what, you're
• 27:07
  Speaker 3: going to invent seventy percent of the universe just to
• 27:11
  Speaker 3: make sure the equations plait.
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: That's not very logical.
• 27:14
  Speaker 3: But they don't stop there because then they say, oh,
• 27:17
  Speaker 3: hang on, with all this extra weight, the universe should
• 27:21
  Speaker 3: be collapsing a lot faster than it is, so there
• 27:25
  Speaker 3: must be a lot of dark energy which is pushing
• 27:27
  Speaker 3: the universe apart, which again you can't measure. So now
• 27:30
  Speaker 3: we're to stage where I think it's ninety seven is
• 27:32
  Speaker 3: it or ninety nine point seven percent of the universe
• 27:35
  Speaker 3: is supposedly stuff you can't see, measure or anything, and
• 27:39
  Speaker 3: it only exists to make the theories right. And that's
• 27:42
  Speaker 3: not sciences.
• 27:43
  Speaker 4: It and it all started with the Big Bang, where
• 27:46
  Speaker 4: everything appeared out of nothing. It's apparently collapsing into itself,
• 27:52
  Speaker 4: but it's also expanding into itself a big but it's infinite,
• 27:56
  Speaker 4: and yet it's not infinite, but nobody can explain what's
• 27:58
  Speaker 4: on the other side of the whole thing's just so stupid.
• 28:03
  Speaker 4: And then they want to point they want to point
• 28:06
  Speaker 4: fingers at people who are religious and then laugh at them.
• 28:09
  Speaker 3: Yeah, well that's the thing, you know, People say, oh, well, you.
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: Know, if if if.
• 28:18
  Speaker 3: This story is a bit silly, WA's the real story?
• 28:21
  Speaker 3: Then well that's a separate question. That's great to look at.
• 28:25
  Speaker 3: What you don't need to know. I like to say,
• 28:28
  Speaker 3: you don't need to know whose pocket the watches. If
• 28:33
  Speaker 3: you're trying to show that it's not in Johnny's pocket.
• 28:36
  Speaker 3: If you don't, if you're want to show Johnny's not
• 28:38
  Speaker 3: stolen the watch, if you do not need well, who's
• 28:40
  Speaker 3: got it?
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: Then that's what people do when they argue.
• 28:43
  Speaker 3: You say, look, there's no watching in Johnny's pocket, and
• 28:45
  Speaker 3: they go, oh, yeah, well, then who's not it?
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: They say it.
• 28:49
  Speaker 3: Doesn't matter, just concentrate on the fact that that one's
• 28:53
  Speaker 3: wrong and so yeah and so, so that's slightly off
• 28:58
  Speaker 3: what you said. Yeah, they mock pop Who've got other
• 29:01
  Speaker 3: narratives and ways of understanding the world, And yet there's
• 29:07
  Speaker 3: is absolutely cocker hoop. And I love science, you know,
• 29:11
  Speaker 3: all my life science science, science, science, and I still
• 29:14
  Speaker 3: love science, but this is not much of it in science,
• 29:18
  Speaker 3: in the citadel of science. Yeah, I mean, religion is
• 29:23
  Speaker 3: a big thing for me. I think we might differ
• 29:26
  Speaker 3: slightly in some ways, but not in core.
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: I reckon.
• 29:29
  Speaker 4: My position on religion is that I think that as
• 29:35
  Speaker 4: part of the human condition to believe in something greater,
• 29:40
  Speaker 4: humans have always believed in something greater. I don't think
• 29:42
  Speaker 4: there's been a time in recorded history where humans haven't
• 29:47
  Speaker 4: done that. I think if you've put them on an
• 29:48
  Speaker 4: island they'll eventually create some sort of creator or deity.
• 29:53
  Speaker 4: Animals don't do that, And I think it's one of
• 29:54
  Speaker 4: the things that sets us apart, because belief in something
• 29:57
  Speaker 4: bigger than ourselves is it's of our sort of self awareness.
• 30:02
  Speaker 2: You know, who am I, why am I here? What
• 30:04
  Speaker 2: is my purpose?
• 30:06
  Speaker 4: So I intrinsically don't oppose that, and I think removing
• 30:10
  Speaker 4: it would be an artificial and artificial attempt. I mean,
• 30:13
  Speaker 4: we know that the class shop or not not even
• 30:16
  Speaker 4: class shob yuvola Arias has has stated, you know that
• 30:21
  Speaker 4: a world without religion would be would be great because
• 30:25
  Speaker 4: when you do that, then they'll letch onto something else
• 30:27
  Speaker 4: to believe in, which could be the state, or the
• 30:29
  Speaker 4: or the or the technocratic oligogs.
• 30:34
  Speaker 3: Well, they're going to they're going to supply I mean
• 30:36
  Speaker 3: he's slightly lying, isn't it, because he knows very well
• 30:38
  Speaker 3: that they're going to supply a world religion. They've got
• 30:41
  Speaker 3: it all worked out by the watch it. It looks
• 30:44
  Speaker 3: based on the faith they they're going to manufacture one world.
• 30:48
  Speaker 3: You couldn't make this step up, you know, They've got
• 30:52
  Speaker 3: they could make this stuff up.
• 30:53
  Speaker 1: They've got the headquarters of.
• 30:55
  Speaker 3: Un looking like the Tower of Babel there when everybody's
• 30:58
  Speaker 3: speaking the same language. Literally by accreditation and interoperable systems,
• 31:03
  Speaker 3: they were.
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: Everybody believing the same religion.
• 31:05
  Speaker 3: I mean, they are literally doing the old They want
• 31:08
  Speaker 3: to be God, don't they. I mean, he doesn't even
• 31:10
  Speaker 3: hide it. They want to be and that I think
• 31:13
  Speaker 3: they're just insane. But but they are insane. I think
• 31:18
  Speaker 3: they they're lots of them believe this really kind of
• 31:21
  Speaker 3: weird stuff, don't they, which you can call it a cult,
• 31:26
  Speaker 3: and stuff they've got, they've got, they've got, they've got
• 31:28
  Speaker 3: their own kind of strange religion, which is quite prevulent,
• 31:32
  Speaker 3: I think, even though it might come in back.
• 31:35
  Speaker 4: When was your first major Redpool moment? You asked me
• 31:39
  Speaker 4: earlier about nine eleven.
• 31:42
  Speaker 1: I think nine to eleven. Yeah, it must have been.
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: Is it lose changed the movie that's something?
• 31:47
  Speaker 3: Or was it so it was two thousands, so two
• 31:49
  Speaker 3: thousand and one, so yeah, I don't. I think it
• 31:51
  Speaker 3: must have been a round two thousand and nine or ten,
• 31:54
  Speaker 3: I think when I saw that.
• 31:56
  Speaker 1: But yeah, i've blithely, I've lithely watched to.
• 32:02
  Speaker 3: Stealing concrete structures completely collapse onto their footprints and disappear
• 32:09
  Speaker 3: in one day, and.
• 32:10
  Speaker 1: I didn't think anything of it until like a few
• 32:13
  Speaker 1: years later.
• 32:13
  Speaker 3: It's crazy how when you're looking back you think, oh
• 32:16
  Speaker 3: my god, now when did they got away with it?
• 32:18
  Speaker 3: I mean, a big lie like that. It's like it's crazy,
• 32:21
  Speaker 3: isn't it? But yeah, but that was definitely my first.
• 32:25
  Speaker 3: I can't remember that was before or afterward? Back looking
• 32:28
  Speaker 3: at vaccines, it probably was before. I think I think
• 32:31
  Speaker 3: it was probably before.
• 32:32
  Speaker 1: Yeah, And.
• 32:35
  Speaker 4: I think mine was climate change?
• 32:39
  Speaker 1: Was it? What was that?
• 32:41
  Speaker 2: The climate change? That was mine?
• 32:44
  Speaker 1: That was my You beat me on that one. I
• 32:47
  Speaker 1: didn't get that until two thousands and twenty.
• 32:51
  Speaker 3: It's like, yeah, twenty twenty, not really, you know, because
• 32:56
  Speaker 3: I'm a big scientist, you know, and so good on you.
• 33:00
  Speaker 4: Something that I've been thinking about a lot is the
• 33:05
  Speaker 4: potential dangers of hyper what's the sort I'm looking for now?
• 33:11
  Speaker 4: Hyper specialization.
• 33:12
  Speaker 3: Specialization means that you can't see the whole picture, You
• 33:14
  Speaker 3: just do your little bit. And increasingly it looks like
• 33:19
  Speaker 3: quite a lot of science is not just driven by money,
• 33:24
  Speaker 3: but is also driven by usefulness for the controlling perpse. Sadly, yeah,
• 33:36
  Speaker 3: so that's how you do it, isn't it. You get
• 33:38
  Speaker 3: everybody on a little job and nobody knows the bigger jobs,
• 33:41
  Speaker 3: and then it all joins together and at the top
• 33:45
  Speaker 3: you've got this iron cloud system.
• 33:47
  Speaker 1: I mean Jamie was saying.
• 33:48
  Speaker 3: It was saying that, you know, the whole basis of
• 33:50
  Speaker 3: the virology fraud is the fetal boban serum or other nutrient.
• 33:57
  Speaker 3: So the neutrient they put in ten percent, then they
• 34:00
  Speaker 3: reduce it to two percent as they add the glup
• 34:04
  Speaker 3: or just before they add the group. Now what Jamie
• 34:07
  Speaker 3: has done is just reduced it's two percent in these
• 34:10
  Speaker 3: top labs without having anything, and exactly the same effect happens.
• 34:18
  Speaker 3: It's but yeah, everything so.
• 34:23
  Speaker 1: Special. I don't know what I've lost my thread when
• 34:25
  Speaker 1: I started that again. Soy, this happens to me.
• 34:27
  Speaker 3: You've probably noticed that I'm a little bit tangenty, so
• 34:30
  Speaker 3: you can rain me in.
• 34:33
  Speaker 2: What is the purpose of a hospital?
• 34:36
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that's a very good question nowadays that
• 34:39
  Speaker 3: certainly I've changed my mind rapidly. I wouldn't go to
• 34:42
  Speaker 3: a near one unless you know, if you've been a Carxidon,
• 34:44
  Speaker 3: they're probably good at putting bits and pieces together. They
• 34:47
  Speaker 3: completely understand the human body. They think every act of
• 34:50
  Speaker 3: healing is something going wrong that needs to be crushed
• 34:52
  Speaker 3: with poisons and all sorts. I mean, and I don't
• 34:57
  Speaker 3: think everybody who works at the bottom level knows everything.
• 35:00
  Speaker 3: But as Mike says, you know, after a while, any
• 35:02
  Speaker 3: doctor who's not noticing that the COVID JAB is resulting
• 35:06
  Speaker 3: in damage is really not paying attention or is deliberately
• 35:11
  Speaker 3: not paying attention.
• 35:13
  Speaker 1: Really so.
• 35:14
  Speaker 3: But to a large extent, those at the bottom, they
• 35:18
  Speaker 3: just follow the procedures, don't they, Like you say, specialization,
• 35:21
  Speaker 3: I do this and do that, and they just follow orders.
• 35:25
  Speaker 3: So I think it's not too far. You know, many
• 35:28
  Speaker 3: people have described Catherine Watts described hospitals, you know, as
• 35:32
  Speaker 3: killing flaws, you know, and we know that daslam morphine
• 35:37
  Speaker 3: remd severe saga. You know, they literally were just obviously
• 35:45
  Speaker 3: killing people, And yeah, what's the hospital for. I've got
• 35:51
  Speaker 3: a wonderful friend who's I know, Johnny well, how much
• 35:56
  Speaker 3: she cares? Absolutely, I bet, I bet, you know. And
• 36:00
  Speaker 3: this is a large part I think of the usefulness
• 36:04
  Speaker 3: of doctors is the care, not the stuff that's given.
• 36:08
  Speaker 3: But yeah, it's very hard, isn't it, Because you know,
• 36:14
  Speaker 3: it's like it you have to reprogram yourself. And okay,
• 36:17
  Speaker 3: it's one thing for me to reprogram myself about germ theory,
• 36:22
  Speaker 3: being a musician and a scientist and a musical scientist.
• 36:28
  Speaker 3: That's it's not going to affect my income or my children.
• 36:33
  Speaker 3: I think you said before you have to it's a
• 36:36
  Speaker 3: thing like you actually care for. You know, each person
• 36:39
  Speaker 3: has to decide. But I do think some people were
• 36:42
  Speaker 3: cowardly and should have stood up. But it's not easy
• 36:46
  Speaker 3: unless you're walking in on.
• 36:47
  Speaker 1: The man's shoes? Is it to know exactly what you
• 36:50
  Speaker 1: would have done?
• 36:52
  Speaker 3: Given the looming mortgage, the so and so debt, the
• 36:56
  Speaker 3: children thirded, and well, I could just delay.
• 36:59
  Speaker 1: It's a bit. I'll just work, you know.
• 37:01
  Speaker 3: So I'm not really judging, except for it's been it's
• 37:05
  Speaker 3: been weird to watch.
• 37:07
  Speaker 4: This is an issue I have with a lot of
• 37:09
  Speaker 4: people in the show. We say skeptic movement or community
• 37:12
  Speaker 4: or whatever you want to call it. The conspiratorial side
• 37:16
  Speaker 4: of society is that they end up being the very
• 37:22
  Speaker 4: people they criticize. They become too binary. It's either one
• 37:27
  Speaker 4: or zero. There's no room for nuance, there's no room
• 37:31
  Speaker 4: for gray, there's no room for complexity.
• 37:34
  Speaker 3: No, no, I think I like a good conversation, good
• 37:38
  Speaker 3: faith conversation with anybody. I find it difficult one people
• 37:41
  Speaker 3: get aggy with me. I find it difficult, especially if
• 37:48
  Speaker 3: I think that sounds like an attempt to trigger. That's no,
• 37:51
  Speaker 3: you're having a chat with you made in the pub
• 37:53
  Speaker 3: and you're both trying to reach understanding truth of the
• 37:57
  Speaker 3: hell of truth. And if someone is like putting barbs in,
• 38:00
  Speaker 3: you know, I'm not really interested in this conversation, you
• 38:02
  Speaker 3: know whatever. But yeah, sorry, I beg you asked that
• 38:09
  Speaker 3: first question that last question again.
• 38:10
  Speaker 4: Sorry, I get annoyed by by people who are too business.
• 38:15
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 38:15
  Speaker 3: The only thing that you be binary about is data.
• 38:20
  Speaker 3: You know you can be aware, can you data? Well,
• 38:24
  Speaker 3: you certainly can in your own life, you know, so
• 38:27
  Speaker 3: I can be aware that.
• 38:30
  Speaker 1: I've got my iPhone sitting here. Uh, that's not a story.
• 38:35
  Speaker 3: I mean, okay, you can start going into a whole
• 38:38
  Speaker 3: there is a whole discussion about that. But basically, there's
• 38:40
  Speaker 3: a real world as far as I'm concerned, there's a
• 38:42
  Speaker 3: real world with stuff that you experienced, that goes on,
• 38:45
  Speaker 3: and there's many stories. Some of them will get close
• 38:48
  Speaker 3: to the real world. But you know, I like to
• 38:50
  Speaker 3: keep them separate, you know.
• 38:52
  Speaker 1: So it's it's so.
• 39:01
  Speaker 3: You can be binary about whether you are aware that
• 39:06
  Speaker 3: in the literature that you have never seen and I've
• 39:10
  Speaker 3: asked for and have never found a virus isolation control
• 39:15
  Speaker 3: study that didn't keep the control one that kept the
• 39:19
  Speaker 3: only ones they do where they keep the.
• 39:21
  Speaker 1: Nutilent seal on high.
• 39:23
  Speaker 3: It's just crazy, they say, Oh, we're why are you
• 39:26
  Speaker 3: feeding the cell when you put it in the control.
• 39:28
  Speaker 3: That's stupid. Of course it's going to survive. Oh yeah,
• 39:31
  Speaker 3: I know that it's silly. So I think it's you know,
• 39:35
  Speaker 3: you can be I'm clear that I know I have
• 39:39
  Speaker 3: never seen any evidence for any aspect of germ theory,
• 39:43
  Speaker 3: and I have looked. Now there may be some out there,
• 39:47
  Speaker 3: uh and I may have, but that's what So I
• 39:50
  Speaker 3: know this fact and this is a fact.
• 39:52
  Speaker 1: I know.
• 39:56
  Speaker 3: That's green stuff. You know, that's that's real stuff. So
• 39:58
  Speaker 3: that's the data. And then so I think you can't
• 40:01
  Speaker 3: sometimes be I think you can be very careful. And I
• 40:04
  Speaker 3: know it's hard always to separate because we overlay our
• 40:08
  Speaker 3: models on everything and it's very difficult, but I think
• 40:10
  Speaker 3: you can have a good goal at trying to so
• 40:14
  Speaker 3: that's all I can say about virus. So I never
• 40:16
  Speaker 3: say viruses don't exist, because that's a belief.
• 40:21
  Speaker 1: That's a belief.
• 40:22
  Speaker 3: I would say it is a fact that there's no
• 40:25
  Speaker 3: evidences evidence for viruses. So I go through the green stuff.
• 40:30
  Speaker 3: I go for this is the fact, and I'm saying
• 40:31
  Speaker 3: if I'm wrong. But that's why I've started the Virus
• 40:33
  Speaker 3: Confirmation Fund. It's on seventy three thousand now, Mike and
• 40:37
  Speaker 3: Jamie and lots of other people pledging love you to
• 40:39
  Speaker 3: pledge it for it. Basically, we're all saying, you give
• 40:43
  Speaker 3: me hard evidence than any virus has ever existed. The
• 40:47
  Speaker 3: money's yours, you know. So it's meant to say, I'm
• 40:51
  Speaker 3: not saying viruses definitely don't exist. I'm not saying unicorns
• 40:54
  Speaker 3: definitely don't exist. All I'm saying is I've got no
• 40:57
  Speaker 3: evidence for either, and I'm certainly not going to lock
• 41:00
  Speaker 3: down the world in case there's an angry unicorn rampaging
• 41:03
  Speaker 3: with its horn, you know. So, so in that sense,
• 41:07
  Speaker 3: you can be clear about the data. But I think
• 41:11
  Speaker 3: you're right, and I think that's a narrative. And somebody
• 41:13
  Speaker 3: says one or zero when it when it's not a
• 41:16
  Speaker 3: piece of data. When it's a story like viruses exist,
• 41:20
  Speaker 3: that's a good one. You know, people say viruses don't exist.
• 41:23
  Speaker 3: I don't like that terminology because that's that's the one
• 41:28
  Speaker 3: zero thing on the story.
• 41:30
  Speaker 4: As you say, I also don't like to say viruses
• 41:34
  Speaker 4: don't exist because it could be the case that they
• 41:37
  Speaker 4: do exist and will only be discovered in one hundred
• 41:40
  Speaker 4: and fifty years time.
• 41:41
  Speaker 1: Exactly. That's exactly. Yeah, that's it. And also if you
• 41:44
  Speaker 1: say it on.
• 41:46
  Speaker 4: Yes, so, and it's also not a scientific statement because scientist,
• 41:50
  Speaker 4: true scientists should not be making dogmatic or absolutist claims.
• 41:55
  Speaker 1: Absolutely.
• 41:55
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I call that brown stuff because you know,
• 42:00
  Speaker 3: I keep it simple. We've got pink stuff of the
• 42:03
  Speaker 3: brain stuff. Green stuff is the terrain. And if you
• 42:08
  Speaker 3: if you put pink stuff and treat it as green stuff,
• 42:11
  Speaker 3: pink and grip makes brown bullshit. So yeah, if you
• 42:14
  Speaker 3: say virus doesn't exist, you're talking bullshit because you're not scientific.
• 42:20
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 42:20
  Speaker 4: But also they could change the definition in thirty years
• 42:24
  Speaker 4: time and then suddenly viruses again will exist. Yes, and again,
• 42:29
  Speaker 4: So this is what I'm saying. Absolutely dogmatic, not very good.
• 42:32
  Speaker 3: No, that's right, that's very good. Yeah, that's very good.
• 42:36
  Speaker 3: I mean that's really important because they're always changing the
• 42:38
  Speaker 3: definitions anyway. So if you if you have a phrase, yeah, absolutely,
• 42:42
  Speaker 3: it's you should not speak something that's not true, I think.
• 42:46
  Speaker 3: And so I understand why people say viruses don't exist.
• 42:49
  Speaker 3: They use it as shorthand for viruses don't exist is
• 42:54
  Speaker 3: a confident statement I'm making about the same as unicorns
• 42:59
  Speaker 3: don't exist. So what I'm saying is I'm operating or
• 43:04
  Speaker 3: or the cups cups drop. You know, I'm operating on
• 43:09
  Speaker 3: the fact that that's it seems very strong to me.
• 43:12
  Speaker 3: But that's that instad they rapit say virus doesn't exist.
• 43:15
  Speaker 3: So I just say viruses are fictional.
• 43:18
  Speaker 4: And I'm not even interested so much whether not viruses existed,
• 43:20
  Speaker 4: if I'm being honest, I'm interested more in whether or
• 43:23
  Speaker 4: not contagent is real.
• 43:25
  Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely, you know that's I agree, because I mean
• 43:28
  Speaker 3: the other thing is that there there are rumors from
• 43:31
  Speaker 3: all these supposed you guys that the next hoach Stammach
• 43:34
  Speaker 3: will be a bacterial hoax stamic. So everybody can be
• 43:38
  Speaker 3: tooled up knowing that viruses do exist, but you've actually
• 43:42
  Speaker 3: got to go deeper. Haven't you like you have to
• 43:47
  Speaker 3: go deeper into into the terrain understanding to say, actually,
• 43:49
  Speaker 3: there's no little bad is that I like to say
• 43:52
  Speaker 3: that there's nothing in nature out to get as smaller
• 43:55
  Speaker 3: than a faucy.
• 43:56
  Speaker 1: That's what I like to say.
• 43:57
  Speaker 4: Yeah, it's it's people don't want to think about this
• 43:59
  Speaker 4: that I want to just spend five minutes thinking why
• 44:03
  Speaker 4: did I get sick?
• 44:05
  Speaker 2: And why did my wife get sick?
• 44:07
  Speaker 3: They've got the answer, Oh I caught it from. I
• 44:09
  Speaker 3: wonder who I caught it from. That's the first part,
• 44:12
  Speaker 3: you know, Whi's been brilliantly indoctrinated, so.
• 44:17
  Speaker 1: Like like you bring come into that same notion. I
• 44:21
  Speaker 1: like that.
• 44:21
  Speaker 3: My my newest starting point is to say, if contagion
• 44:27
  Speaker 3: is possible, Okay, if contagions let's say contagion is possible
• 44:32
  Speaker 3: and you can catch something, is it feasible that contagion
• 44:36
  Speaker 3: is possible? And yet for six thousand years, this is
• 44:39
  Speaker 3: the big one for me, no culture anywhere in the
• 44:43
  Speaker 3: world noticed it. Even thousands of years of Chinese medicine,
• 44:46
  Speaker 3: a thousand years of Indian medicine, all sorts of other
• 44:50
  Speaker 3: nobody spotted that you can catch a cold.
• 44:54
  Speaker 1: It's clear.
• 44:56
  Speaker 3: It's clear that this is a story that we've been
• 44:58
  Speaker 3: given and we interpret everything through that story because it's
• 45:01
  Speaker 3: a brilliant story for getting peopled, you know, it's genius.
• 45:06
  Speaker 3: I don't know if it was thought up deliberately or
• 45:08
  Speaker 3: whether it was just a combination of ineptitude and fraud
• 45:12
  Speaker 3: and all source.
• 45:13
  Speaker 1: But it's the perfect way of control, isn't it.
• 45:16
  Speaker 3: You can't go near neighbor, you can't hurry your granny,
• 45:19
  Speaker 3: you can't go out of your house, or it's all based.
• 45:23
  Speaker 1: On this notion.
• 45:24
  Speaker 3: But as I say, so six thousand years is it possible?
• 45:28
  Speaker 3: You know, Aristotle was writing about yawning being contagious, like
• 45:33
  Speaker 3: a couple of thousand years ago. He spotted that did
• 45:37
  Speaker 3: they every it was stupid, and that people would have
• 45:39
  Speaker 3: a cold and then go to the Senate house and
• 45:42
  Speaker 3: then and then everybody gets the cold and nobody noticed.
• 45:45
  Speaker 1: I mean, it doesn't make sense. So that's my new
• 45:48
  Speaker 1: starting point.
• 45:51
  Speaker 3: It looks slightly from that that it's just a recent story,
• 45:53
  Speaker 3: doesn't it.
• 45:56
  Speaker 4: So that's so somebody might be listening to us chatting
• 46:00
  Speaker 4: brothers and going okay, sure there. So let's say you
• 46:03
  Speaker 4: can't catch something from somebody cool.
• 46:06
  Speaker 2: Now what.
• 46:08
  Speaker 3: Well, I mean, for one thing, you all the sway
• 46:13
  Speaker 3: of stuff goes from people chopping of the leaves, as
• 46:17
  Speaker 3: you know, I think, as Jamie said, you know, all
• 46:19
  Speaker 3: the space vaccines, masks, distancing lockdowns, anti virals, antibiotics, all
• 46:27
  Speaker 3: sorts of treatments, war medicine. Quite a lot comes from it.
• 46:32
  Speaker 3: But also individually, Isaas four years, I have not been ill,
• 46:37
  Speaker 3: apart from the two times when I stayed of all night,
• 46:40
  Speaker 3: drank too much recording and because I do a lot
• 46:42
  Speaker 3: of recording, and you know, I'm sixty, I stayed of
• 46:46
  Speaker 3: all night and as and so I was a bit
• 46:51
  Speaker 3: ill the next day. But apart from that, I'm not
• 46:54
  Speaker 3: govert ill. And I think that's largely through the fact
• 46:57
  Speaker 3: that we really we're very susceptible of the notion.
• 47:00
  Speaker 1: I think that I've never found it, but reliably.
• 47:06
  Speaker 3: Remember a study where somebody goes into an office and
• 47:09
  Speaker 3: pretends to have a cold. You know, they put pepper
• 47:12
  Speaker 3: in the nose, it's all streaming and you know, something
• 47:16
  Speaker 3: in their eyes and you know, four or five people
• 47:20
  Speaker 3: in the office. It's a big office, like twenty people.
• 47:22
  Speaker 3: Four or five people come down with a cold. You know,
• 47:25
  Speaker 3: just from seeing a fake cold and the notion. It's
• 47:28
  Speaker 3: very interesting, isn't it. So Yeah, anyway, that's so that's
• 47:32
  Speaker 3: big exact advantage when you know that there's no contagent,
• 47:34
  Speaker 3: or when you know that there's no evidence for contention,
• 47:38
  Speaker 3: would be careful. Yeah, there might be some elements. I mean,
• 47:43
  Speaker 3: for example, there's there are some notions of no, it's
• 47:51
  Speaker 3: not really contagion so much.
• 47:52
  Speaker 1: No. Yeah, yeah, anyway, let's part of that side. Anyway.
• 47:56
  Speaker 1: That's that's for me.
• 47:57
  Speaker 3: First of all, I'm never going to count to any
• 48:01
  Speaker 3: medical law that says do that.
• 48:05
  Speaker 1: Did I don't know about you. Did you wear a
• 48:06
  Speaker 1: mask of getting I wore one a couple of times.
• 48:09
  Speaker 3: I was, you know, with with somebody who was early
• 48:12
  Speaker 3: but very much into the narrative that we were given.
• 48:16
  Speaker 4: And you know, so I did wear I did wear
• 48:21
  Speaker 4: a mask here and there, but only for the purposes
• 48:26
  Speaker 4: of getting onto an airplane and flying between cities. Now,
• 48:29
  Speaker 4: let me just quickly add to that. I did not
• 48:31
  Speaker 4: get a PC artist, not even once. I didn't have
• 48:34
  Speaker 4: to get a vaccine, not even I've never.
• 48:36
  Speaker 1: Had a PC or a vaccine.
• 48:38
  Speaker 4: Yeah, and I did not get a fake vaccine. Passport
• 48:41
  Speaker 4: either because I didn't want to legitimize the data.
• 48:45
  Speaker 2: But I did. I did wear a PC.
• 48:47
  Speaker 4: I did wear a mask now and then, but that
• 48:50
  Speaker 4: was only just to get by in something in some cases.
• 48:56
  Speaker 2: Yeah, go on, be a purist, is what.
• 48:58
  Speaker 3: It's what you're saying. That's that one not thing. Oh
• 49:01
  Speaker 3: if you ever wore a mask, even once you're an
• 49:04
  Speaker 3: agent of the of the who you know, please you
• 49:08
  Speaker 3: know that's what it's what you know, this black and
• 49:10
  Speaker 3: white version. I am absolutely with you on the the
• 49:13
  Speaker 3: binary stuff. It's aye devisive. Yeah, exactly.
• 49:18
  Speaker 1: So.
• 49:19
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I wore I eventually I've got one
• 49:23
  Speaker 3: of these see through visors, so we were allowed to
• 49:28
  Speaker 3: wear this. It's a piece of plastic that goes like that,
• 49:31
  Speaker 3: you know, holes here, holes there. That was fine, You've
• 49:35
  Speaker 3: got it was nonsense. It was completely But I.
• 49:39
  Speaker 2: Think it was Peter.
• 49:40
  Speaker 4: I think it was Peter Bregan who said to me
• 49:44
  Speaker 4: that we need to be slightly more sympathetic.
• 49:47
  Speaker 2: This was actly I think in twenty twenty two.
• 49:49
  Speaker 4: Already he's a very kind man, isn't it. Nator, very kind,
• 49:52
  Speaker 4: very loving man. And he and he he said, he
• 49:56
  Speaker 4: made a very very interesting comment. He said, look, yes,
• 50:00
  Speaker 4: thought experiment. You're on an airplane, it's full one hundred
• 50:02
  Speaker 4: and eighty people, and every single person on the plane is.
• 50:06
  Speaker 2: Wearing a mask.
• 50:07
  Speaker 4: He said, do you know what the reason is for
• 50:11
  Speaker 4: each person on that plane?
• 50:13
  Speaker 2: Have you asked them?
• 50:14
  Speaker 4: And in your thought experiment, ask them and you'll most
• 50:18
  Speaker 4: likely get a different answer for every single person.
• 50:21
  Speaker 1: I absolutely agree. And it's still a borderline difficult one.
• 50:24
  Speaker 3: For example, because if your neighbor or you've known and
• 50:29
  Speaker 3: trusts you at the thicker bit, I mean, I'm this
• 50:33
  Speaker 3: is this is a hypothetical, this doesn't happen.
• 50:35
  Speaker 1: But if they're.
• 50:36
  Speaker 3: Going out wearing a mask, and they could talk to
• 50:39
  Speaker 3: you and realize that at the time, because there was
• 50:41
  Speaker 3: a time when it was really an amplifier of fear
• 50:44
  Speaker 3: everywhere you'd go, Zoe markets, everything, and lone voices. People
• 50:48
  Speaker 3: without them were sort of you know, they were trailing
• 50:51
  Speaker 3: ablaze and saying, look, I'm not afraid. So you can't
• 50:57
  Speaker 3: judge people not doing it, but you can understand, well,
• 51:01
  Speaker 3: I certainly felt a bit frustrated when.
• 51:06
  Speaker 2: Oh it was frustrated.
• 51:07
  Speaker 3: Sure, oh yeah, you know, and and I'm not as
• 51:11
  Speaker 3: I think Peter is a lot a gentler person than
• 51:14
  Speaker 3: I am. I am gentle at heart, and I love people.
• 51:17
  Speaker 3: I want good faith with everybody. But I can get
• 51:19
  Speaker 3: triggered and a bit if I feel that there's some
• 51:23
  Speaker 3: some injustice happening, especially to lots of people, like for example,
• 51:28
  Speaker 3: with vaccination.
• 51:29
  Speaker 1: Millions of children are assaulted every day in the world.
• 51:32
  Speaker 3: Every day, millions children are violently assaulted, not only with toxins.
• 51:37
  Speaker 3: But I think now increasingly what is worse, which is
• 51:41
  Speaker 3: the biggest acts, which is there's a sticking a big
• 51:44
  Speaker 3: spike in your arm, a big metal spike in your arm,
• 51:49
  Speaker 3: and you are not only somebody you trust is holding
• 51:52
  Speaker 3: there smiling. We're not stupid humans, Humans are not stupid.
• 51:56
  Speaker 3: We know that sticking a big metal spike in your
• 52:00
  Speaker 3: arm is not a good idea.
• 52:03
  Speaker 1: We know it.
• 52:04
  Speaker 3: So we're all completely these shocks, these biological shocks.
• 52:09
  Speaker 1: It's like like someone's been stabbed you with a knife
• 52:11
  Speaker 1: or something.
• 52:15
  Speaker 4: Uh, Tim, I'm looking at the time. So we've just
• 52:18
  Speaker 4: been rambling.
• 52:19
  Speaker 1: But yeah, I've been particularly rambling.
• 52:22
  Speaker 4: Sorry, But if anybody actually wants to follow your work,
• 52:26
  Speaker 4: which I strongly recommend, your substack is outstanding and it's
• 52:31
  Speaker 4: it's also a co lab with Mike.
• 52:33
  Speaker 2: Eden, isn't it.
• 52:34
  Speaker 1: Well, there's that.
• 52:36
  Speaker 3: My substack is Beyond Certainty, which is where all my
• 52:39
  Speaker 3: two protocol work and various other works on Mike Eden's
• 52:43
  Speaker 3: substack is not to Mike ethen and I just edit
• 52:48
  Speaker 3: things for him there.
• 52:49
  Speaker 1: It's all his stuff on there.
• 52:54
  Speaker 3: I mean that one particular article, I did gather the
• 52:58
  Speaker 3: material myself because it was part of a bigger article,
• 53:02
  Speaker 3: and I want to include reference to all these studies
• 53:05
  Speaker 3: because you know, when you're writing an article. Mike had
• 53:08
  Speaker 3: his articles mentioning about the lack of his words mating
• 53:13
  Speaker 3: about the LA so I thought, well, let's put evidence in.
• 53:16
  Speaker 3: So I did do that article, but really that's it's
• 53:22
  Speaker 3: just for Mike that one. So my own substack is
• 53:24
  Speaker 3: called Beyond Certainty, and I've got my music on there
• 53:28
  Speaker 3: as well, and my theories. My new film coming up soon,
• 53:33
  Speaker 3: which is I Reckon. It's going to be mind blowing
• 53:36
  Speaker 3: because it blows my mind. It shows why the minute
• 53:40
  Speaker 3: is the length it is. Seems a bizarre thing to tay,
• 53:43
  Speaker 3: but once you watch it, you know that's why they
• 53:46
  Speaker 3: picked them in it, and it's very interesting. There's other
• 53:48
  Speaker 3: things in it that Yeah, So that's beyond that, and
• 53:52
  Speaker 3: Dr Mike Eden is good.
• 53:54
  Speaker 4: But you also run Mike's telegram channel, is that right?
• 53:58
  Speaker 3: Well, basically, I so he didn't want you know, he
• 54:01
  Speaker 3: when he left Robin he was all afloat, and I
• 54:06
  Speaker 3: want his voice to the world. So basically I see
• 54:10
  Speaker 3: mike substack is his substack.
• 54:12
  Speaker 1: He owns it.
• 54:13
  Speaker 3: But Mike's Telegram I set it up, so I sort
• 54:19
  Speaker 3: of owned it, but then give him complete control over it.
• 54:23
  Speaker 3: So he does all the posts on the channel and
• 54:29
  Speaker 3: in the comments he appears as the name of the channel,
• 54:33
  Speaker 3: and I'm just admitted, and you know, it's one of
• 54:38
  Speaker 3: my prior proud because he says to me that I've
• 54:42
  Speaker 3: been helpful in getting his voice out, and.
• 54:45
  Speaker 1: I you know, that's just like I mean, I do.
• 54:49
  Speaker 3: I do really think things would change if a lot
• 54:52
  Speaker 3: more people heard Mike Needer because he's so trustable and
• 54:55
  Speaker 3: believable because he's real, you know, and when he says it,
• 55:00
  Speaker 3: you know, I think it's very powerful stuff. And he
• 55:02
  Speaker 3: was hidden away for a long time. So I've gone
• 55:05
  Speaker 3: off the subject. I know we've nearly finished.
• 55:08
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's it.
• 55:10
  Speaker 3: Oh and I could mention my two bands very quickly,
• 55:13
  Speaker 3: so I'm in a band called hoax Wind, which is
• 55:16
  Speaker 3: hawk Wind. I don't know if any of you lot
• 55:19
  Speaker 3: of people will know hawk Wind, the classic space rock band,
• 55:22
  Speaker 3: but we've recreated it like sound for sound, but the band,
• 55:26
  Speaker 3: I mean, that's all original music is called Kasha a Kasha.
• 55:30
  Speaker 3: Last album Hail the Sun. Yeah, I'm doing a big
• 55:34
  Speaker 3: tonight actually, and if anyone's near, oh, we only won't
• 55:37
  Speaker 3: go out today.
• 55:38
  Speaker 1: So there's no point saying thank you Jim so much.
• 55:42
  Speaker 3: You know, I know I've been a bit rambly, but
• 55:45
  Speaker 3: it's been so amazing for you to have me on
• 55:48
  Speaker 3: and talk to me, and thanks very much.
• 55:51
  Speaker 4: Well, Tim, I just want to point out that debt
• 55:54
  Speaker 4: sab Steck piece of yours that I stumbled across.
• 55:58
  Speaker 2: Transmission failure. It is.
• 56:02
  Speaker 4: I don't think you understand how profound it is. I
• 56:05
  Speaker 4: know you've you've downplayed it a bit, but I've referenced
• 56:09
  Speaker 4: that piece so many times because what it shows, this
• 56:13
  Speaker 4: is very important. What it shows is the last one
• 56:17
  Speaker 4: hundred and fifty years, two hundred years worth of temps. Yeah,
• 56:21
  Speaker 4: the last two hundred and twenty years of clinical attempts
• 56:26
  Speaker 4: to show transmission of something pathogenic between humans has failed.
• 56:33
  Speaker 4: I mean this is really really important. And you know
• 56:37
  Speaker 4: plants too, Yes, they have to add animals, and animals.
• 56:40
  Speaker 3: Rub into the pin, they scratch the skin and they
• 56:43
  Speaker 3: rub in the stuff that which is all monkey and
• 56:47
  Speaker 3: oh look the plants. Yeah exactly, no, exactly, I mean
• 56:53
  Speaker 3: it's the roads and experiments.
• 56:56
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Spanish experiments, the Spanish flu. Yeah, it's like hello,
• 57:01
  Speaker 2: no Zego funded. It was also funded by the US government.
• 57:06
  Speaker 3: Yes, anyways, knowing anyway.
• 57:11
  Speaker 2: Tim got to go to the West.
• 57:13
  Speaker 4: Thanks, thank you for yeah, thank you for joining me
• 57:15
  Speaker 4: in the Strangers My pleasure.
• 57:25
  Speaker 1: M