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E 375: Did Childhood Trauma Teach You to Stop Trusting Yourself? Guest: Chris Wasko · Adult Child of Dysfunction

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  hello everybody, and welcome back to another episode of Adult Child of Dysfunction.
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  Today we have with us a special guest.
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  We have Chris Wasco.
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  She is an energy healer, spiritual counselor, and psychic medium who empowers old souls and survivors of narcissistic abuse.
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  She is the creator of Spicy Old Souls, a program designed for healing both human and soul levels of trauma.
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  Chris is also the author of An Old Soul's Journey: A Guide to Inner Child Healing and Conscious Evolution.
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  Welcome, Chris.
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  Thank you so much, Tammy.
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  Yeah, I love that introduction, too, because I love the old soul thing, and it's funny how some people, like my son is 22 now, but he was kinda one of those kids that was like 6 going on 50.
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  Yeah.
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  And that was a, a saying that we used to always say.
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  I'm like, "Oh, you have to excuse him.
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  He's an old soul."
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  It was like he had this deep, dark wisdom that nobody else seemed to have around him, so I love that, that you use that Old Soul's Journey.
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  Yeah.
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  That's the best description, too it, yeah, and some people just do.
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  Some people have that, I don't know.
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  Yeah.
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  It's a different aura about them.
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  Exactly.
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  So talk about how you got into that work.
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  For myself, I always identified as an old soul.
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  I was even told a lot as a kid.
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  Usually when, like in your son's example, you just know, and so many people start telling you.
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  So it's just something that I guess I just really identified with a lot.
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  My journey just evolved in probably the most chaotic way because I had a very different background than what I'm doing right now.
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  I was in business.
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  I was working in New York.
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  I had a very what one might call a muggle life.
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  I one day made the most difficult decision of my life to cut off my narcissistic parents.
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  They are both abusive in their own way physical as well as emotional, and that abuse was starting to affect my children.
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  My father hit my first child- Ooh and that should have been my walk away I'm done, I'm not doing this.
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  But it actually took time after that because anyone who's in an abusive relationship knows how difficult it is to walk away, and especially as your parents, you don't wanna break ties with the people who've essentially brought you into
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  this world.
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  I certainly didn't.
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  And that was actually the first time my dad ever apologized to me, and if anyone knows narcissists, they do not apologize.
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  Oh, they do not.
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  So to have gotten that, I was like, "Okay, maybe he might do better and be better.
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  I'm actually getting an apology."
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  So it was another eight years until I officially walked away.
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  Just the cycle continued.
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  We never left him alone with any of my children ever again.
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  At that point, he threatened my husband, and that was, I was, "I'm done.
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  I'm not doing this anymore."
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  In any kind of abusive situations, we always think in theory we're gonna leave and we're gonna feel this feeling of peace or freedom or whatever we think.
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  But no, your body is hardwired to whatever that chaos was.
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  So I was terrified.
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  I didn't know what my parents might do.
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  My mother is extremely vindictive, so I was definitely in this state of, fight, fright, fear, and flight.
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  So a lot of different Fs on the, the trauma scale.
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  But I knew I needed to heal.
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  So my healing journey, which is why it's so surreal, it opened up all my spiritual abilities.
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  I didn't know I could see people in spirit.
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  I didn't know I could read the chakra system.
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  I wouldn't even call myself psychic.
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  I would have maybe said I was, like, an intuitive empath.
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  But what I learned is all of my trauma muted these abilities.
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  So my life changed for the better, all because I made the most challenging decision of my life.
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  And for the people out there listening, it's a decision that so many people have to make.
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  And I'm going back to where you said, "My father apologized," and narcissists don't apologize, and it's like, okay, so but narcissists manipulate.
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  So was it really a real apology?
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  That's would've been my first thought.
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  My mother was the same way, and I'm like, if she had ever apologized to me, I'd be like, "Oh, yeah, that's backhanded.
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  There's something coming."
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  Something is behind that.
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  It's a manipulation tactic.
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  That's how I would've seen it.
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  But no fault of any of ours, because if you grew up like that, again, you want to trust the parents.
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  You want to believe that your parents, like you said, the people that brought you into the world are the people that go, are going to protect you and have your back.
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  Exactly.
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  So but I love that.
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  I love that you got into that.
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  And so often you made such a good point, too, and I talk about that a lot, is when you grow up in that kind of trauma, and just any really trauma, and you forget that you actually have intuition.
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  I feel like we are all-knowing.
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  We are born all-knowing.
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  Yes.
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  And then as we explore that as children, if it's stifled or violated in any way, you stop trusting yourself.
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  Exactly.
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  And so those little things are constantly spinning in your head, but you're like, "Oh no.
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  That can't be right.
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  I can't be right.
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  I must be wrong."
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  So many people I've talked to where it's really opened up this spiritual journey, and I love to see that.
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  So when you talk about trauma energy, what is that?
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  Tell the audience.
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  Trauma energy reveals itself in so many different ways.
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  If I see it, it'll be blurred, it'll be distorted.
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  It might show some fragments or fractures.
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  It will really depend on what the person's energy body is revealing.
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  If I feel it, it'll reveal itself in weight.
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  So the heavier it feels, the more trauma that has gone on in that person's body, because it's literally being carried by them, and it's heavy.
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  So trauma energy piles up, That, those are the more frequent ways I experience it when I do reads on people.
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  Sometimes I might hear things.
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  I might hear verbal abuse, for example.
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  I almost feel like I- I'm just getting yelled at over and over.
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  But I guess in my own experience, because I had all of this, I understand what it looks like, it feels like, it sounds like.
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  So when I'm doing these reads, it's easier for me to interpret.
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  So in my experience, I could thank my parents for the upbringing I have, 'cause it helped me do what I do now.
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  And I'm also separate from it, where I'm not taking it on.
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  It's not personal.
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  It's not even something I'm taking on energetically.
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  I'm just witnessing in a client, and I'm sharing with them.
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  Because more often than not, people don't know what they're carrying or how they're carrying it, so my just bringing it to their attention, sometimes the awareness alone is enough to help them heal it, because they might be holding
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  onto something that they don't need to hold onto anymore, that it has served as a protective mechanism, so it probably did serve them at one time.
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  But awareness is always that first level, so I work to bring that awareness.
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  What am I seeing?
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  What am I hearing?
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  What am I feeling?
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  And sharing it with them, and showing them where it is in the body, and where I feel it's connected to.
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  So I won't always get an exact story, but I'll feel a mother energy or a father energy or sometimes an experience, like I feel like I'm in school, I feel like I'm at work.
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  It's just something going on in that e- experience, so it just, again, depends on what story the body wants to share, because the body always reveals itself in layers.
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  The first layer is always that way of waving "Hi, I need attention.
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  I'm here.
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  I'm ready to be seen."
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  And then as you uncover those layers, other ones start to come to the surface.
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  So I'm always very respectful because they're...
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  the body has energetic boundaries as well, so there are times people get a little scared, "What is she gonna see?"
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  And I might see a barrier and I'll say, "Hey I'm noticing something here that's very guarded.
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  I'm not gonna go beyond it."
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  Because I've...
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  I also deal with people that deal with a lot of trauma, as far as sexual abuse and really traumatic experiences that they don't want to relive.
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  So I'm always very respectful of that.
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  So the body will only reveal what it feels safe for you to reveal.
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  I was gonna ask that because I have, I've dealt with a couple people that do Akashic records and things like that- where they're literally reading past lives, and they're opening this book.
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  And, I had the woman on my podcast, and she literally said "Okay, I knew, I saw that in this past lifetime, this person may have been beheaded," or whatever it was.
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  And I'm not going to bring that out.
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  I'm not gonna traumatize someone.
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  So there is a fine line.
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  And I mention that because people that are curious about going to someone like you, that is an energy healer and a spiritual counselor there is that kind of trepidation, as far as can I trust whatever's going on?
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  It's the same thing I always thought it was fascinating.
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  I wanna go to a psychic.
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  I want them to tell me, like, why?
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  Why am I like this?
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  Or what is going to happen in the future?
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  That always fascinated me, it never scared me.
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  But at the same time, I can see where sitting down with you, and you going, "Okay, there's something deep and dark here."
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  Yeah, it's vulnerable.
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  Nobody wants to hear that.
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  Vulnerable.
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  That puts you in a very vulnerable p- place.
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  So for the people listening, rest assured, this is not to trigger anybody or anything like that.
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  But that if you go to someone, and it is a professional, they're going to be gentle and compassionate and understand that this is not to read your mind and throw every, all this stuff out there.
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  But you deal with mostly, when you say old souls, spicy old souls what is that program?
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  Spicy Old Souls is a program I developed to help people with their trauma energy, because we carry a lot...
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  Old souls carry a lot of trauma in their current lifetime, because I always say old souls take on the most challenging lessons.
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  When you have an old soul, if you are an old soul, you sign up for I call it the advanced courses.
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  You've done the easy, so you're here to really take on the very traumatic, emotional upheaval kind of lessons.
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  So as wonderful as that sounds on a soul level, on a human level, we just look at that absolutely sucks, and we can carry that trauma energy, we can carry that weight, that heaviness that I talked about.
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  So this program helps you release a lot of that, and really allow you to understand your own energy.
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  Because the more you understand your own energy, the more you can work with it to heal it, and to help yourself evolve however you want to in this lifetime, and even beyond.
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  But also, any kind of healing you do now sends ripples into all of your lives, because we're existing all at the same time.
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  So those ripples do something.
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  So developing this program, I was absolutely called to do it...
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  I didn't wake up one day like, "I have to do this."
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  I was just one day doing a chore, and it just came to me, "You're gonna create a program."
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  And I said, "Okay."
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  So it evolved over time.
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  I'm really happy with how it's come together and how it helps people, because the reason it's called Spicy Old Souls is 'cause the acronym for it is SOS, because old souls often need help, but so many of us
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  are so bad about asking for it.
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  We've become so programmed to just do it ourselves, to figure it out.
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  So this program is an independent program.
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  You don't have to go to someone.
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  It's, "Hey, here are some tools.
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  Here's how to work with this," and allow yourself to relieve yourself of some of that trauma energy so that you don't have to carry that burden anymore, 'cause you're not meant to.
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  No.
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  Now, how would you know if, let's say, my son is an old soul.
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  Like I said, he was 5 going on 50.
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  He just had this wisdom about him.
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  How would people know to question "Hey, maybe I am an old soul.
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  Maybe I am reliving those things"?
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  'Cause I remember one time someone on my podcast said, "You're put on this earth to do something.
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  You have a mission, or something to learn- Yes or something to teach, or whatever it is.
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  And until you do it and get it right, you're gonna keep coming back over and over again, so you might as well get it right the first time."
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  I remember when they told me that so changed the way I kinda looked at things.
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  Is that what you're kinda talking about?
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  I would agree with that because it is about intention, right?
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  The more intentional we are towards this life and what we're living in our experience, because we're meant to be creators, we're meant to experience life, the more we do that, the more we connect with our path, our purpose
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  our journey.
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  I do believe, yes, we all have a reason to be here.
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  Sometimes I feel we get so mixed up in what that is.
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  We live in a very capitalistic society, so often we tie it to money and financial gain.
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  But that is not how the soul often evolves.
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  Doesn't mean it can't, but what if you're just meant to learn with exactly the circumstances you're in to create circumstances around it to allow yourself to evolve?
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  It's hinting along what it is to start manifesting- because we are creators of our own reality.
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  So the more we connect to that, the more we understand ourselves, which is again, why I like this program so much.
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  The more you have control of your body energy, you understand it, the more powerful a manifester you are.
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  You literally change your life because you change your energy.
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  And that's power.
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  It- but in a beautiful way, not in a control, narcissistic way that our society is based on.
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  So that's why I feel it's just so beautiful to connect to that because it's very soul-centered.
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  And how would you suggest to people if they're like, "Okay, I don't even know what my energy is.
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  What does that even mean, Chris?"
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  How would you suggest or help people kinda understand what kind of energy they're putting off?
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  I do have a quiz.
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  I have a quiz on my website.
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  It is a free quiz that people could take, see what comes back at them.
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  Do they feel aligned to it?
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  So that's one start.
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  And when it comes to your own energy, it's really looking at your life and your circumstances, whatever it is.
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  Whatever in front of you, that is what you have brought into your reality.
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  That is what your energy has attracted to, into your reality, for better or for worse.
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  And you have the ability to change that or keep it, depending on what you desire.
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  And that's really the first way to start.
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  When you start looking around, especially if you're complaining about things, you are the only one that has the ability to change that.
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  We always want others to change.
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  I absolutely wanted my parents to be better.
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  I wanted to be loved.
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  I wanted to be consoled.
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  I wanted to have that genuine feeling of what it is to be loved by a mother and a father.
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  But my parents were so damaged, they didn't have that ability.
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  I think they loved to the best of their ability, but when we are raised in any kind of narcissistic system, you can only love to the level that you've learned.
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  And it's hard to learn beyond that.
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  So your love is very limited.
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  So one of my desires was to learn unconditional love.
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  But in order to have that, I couldn't expect my parents to give it and change that.
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  I had to find it.
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  I had to find it and give it to myself first, but first I had to discover it.
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  So look at your environment, look at what you're desiring, and then figure out how you discover that within yourself first.
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  Because when you start giving it to yourself, that's when your reality starts reflecting back to you exactly what you wanted.
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  Exactly.
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  And it's funny that you said that because my last podcast, we just had a whole thing on unconditional love, 'cause that's where I hit that was my rock bottom when I was 26, pregnant, and realized I don't even
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  know what that means.
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  Like, how am I gonna have this little baby and...
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  eh, I don't know what it means.
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  I had no clue.
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  I had never experienced it, and I'm like, "I don't know if I can do this."
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  It was like that two by four, it had to happen because it had to catapult me into how do I become better than my parents were?
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  How do I do that?
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  And that was a big part of it.
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  But I love what you said about the look at your life right now, and it is without a doubt a culmination of everything that you have done, every decision you've made, every choice you've made, for whatever reason.
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  And like you said, the good or the bad.
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  And that's a hard thing for some people because- When you grow up in that kind of trauma, especially until you become violently aware of that concept that you just said, you can tend to live the life of a
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  victim.
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  100%.
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  I fully agree with that.
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  Although I will say this, when you have grown up in, in a traumatic environment, an abusive environment, I believe having that victim period is important because you need to allow yourself that grief.
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  You need to allow yourself that ability to process what you've experienced and to be validated for it.
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  So I never wanna criticize anyone that's in that mode.
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  I absolutely was in that mode of "I can't believe my parents did this to me.
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  I can't believe my family did this to me."
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  But I had to move beyond that.
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  I'm not the victim.
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  They're not the villains.
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  This is the experience I needed, I signed up for, and I was able to make choices around it.
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  And because I did I took my power back and I changed my life for the better.
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  I have never been more happy in my life, but I've also never realized the kind of peace I could have brought into my life.
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  I thought that kind of peace could only exist within that family system because it was my family, and we're understood, oh, you have to connect, stay with your family.
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  It's your mother.
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  How many times I'd hear that.
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  But my gosh, breaking away from that, I have more peace than I've ever had.
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  It's amazing.
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  It's beautiful.
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  I don't miss them.
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  I just miss the idea of them.
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  It would've been nice, but I'm not seeking it from them anymore.
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  I'm giving them the love from a distance.
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  I love you.
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  I send you love.
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  I wish all the best for you, but I recognize I love me, too, and I deserve the love that I now have in my life.
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  Amen.
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  And that is a good place to be.
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  And I tell people, because there is that guilt, I don't know how many times people would say, "How can you say that?
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  That's your mother.
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  How can you not love her?"
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  "That's your mother.
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  How can you say, 'I hate you'?
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  That's your mother."
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  I'm like, "How can she pimp me out to her drug dealers?
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  That's my mother."
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  You know what I mean?
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  Exactly.
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  I'm like, there is a flip-flop here, and the people like I s- tell my clients, that are having struggles like, "Oh my gosh, my brother, it's such a toxic relationship."
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  I said, "If he wasn't blood, would he be in your life?"
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  Exactly.
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  And if the answer is no, then it's okay.
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  The people that I consider my family have no blood ties to me at all.
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  Exactly.
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  And that's okay.
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  And yeah, so you...
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  And to feel guilt about that, yes, you can feel sad about that, that you did lose that part like you said.
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  You're gonna grieve that loss of what could've been or should've been or blah blah blah, but you can't.
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  You can't delve on that for the rest of your life.
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  You have to take care of you in the here and now.
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  What would you suggest...
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  I know I'm kinda talking all over the place.
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  What does healing look like to you energetically?
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  'Cause I love the whole energy thing.
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  What does it look like?
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  It w- like it comes on in layers, it releases in layers too.
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  So when people are going through a healing process, I'll feel the shifts.
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  I'll sometimes see it, but most often I feel it.
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  You feel different today.
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  When people work with me one-on-one, they'll usually work with me especially if they've had intense trauma, usually about a year.
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  And it is amazing to see the transformation from the first session to the last session.
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  And they're not the same person anymore.
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  They're just this better version of themselves, and a lot of it is just that the energy is lighter.
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  It's more vibrant.
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  I would say vibrancy is the one thing that really stands out, and it's magnetic.
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  And they feel it too.
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  And really, it's because they've learned to love themselves.
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  Yep.
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  They've learned to look at themselves in a beautiful way a- and not have all that heaviness of what was weighing them down.
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  And it always looks and feels different for each person, but that feeling of that lightness and that brightness in them and in their auric field is, it's just, it's beautiful.
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  And I get very excited about it because, I always say my job is to get you to a point where you don't feel like you need me anymore.
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  Amen.
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  And then I feel like I've done something.
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  You know- you want me?
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  Sure, and I'll happily help, but where I've given you the tools, and you're now out in the world just living your best life.
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  It can be a session or it can be a year.
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  It doesn't matter.
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  I feel lighter.
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  Yes.
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  Because when you walk into me, you have a backpack of experiences, emotions, this full backpack on your back that you can't see, but it's weighting you down.
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  And like you said, every time you release something, that is an energetic release, and you're getting a little lighter.
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  I use that for an example, and test it.
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  Test it with yourself.
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  If you forgive, quote unquote, "forgive" somebody for wronging you, and then they walk into a room and your stomach clenches, you are still holding onto that energy, and it's not gone yet.
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  So that's how, you can do body tests.
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  I'm sure you do, check your own body.
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  Where are you feeling it?
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  That is energy.
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  Emotion is energy in motion.
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  Get it out.
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  Do you do a lot of that?
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  Exactly.
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  The body tells you everything.
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  The body tells you everything you need to know about yourself, your experiences, and like you said, just those reactions.
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  Those gut reactions are powerful.
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  Yep, and that's a lot of, I'm sure a lot of what you're do- It's energy.
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  We are all energy.
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  I actually do a, an energy scan with my clients as a kind of bring them into my world kind of thing that checks 171,000 different frequencies of your energy, checks your chakras, checks your meridians.
• 22:00
  It checks your kneecap, whatever it is.
• 22:03
  And it just finds those imbalances, but at the end of the day, it's all getting these imbalances to release themselves however you have to do that.
• 22:13
  With animals, it's shaking that energy.
• 22:15
  That's that nervous energy.
• 22:16
  Yeah.
• 22:16
  They shake.
• 22:16
  With humans, if you need to shake, shake.
• 22:19
  So be it.
• 22:20
  Exactly.
• 22:21
  So how would you suggest to your clients that they start doing these small shifts on their own?
• 22:27
  What would be a couple first steps you would suggest to them?
• 22:31
  Always look at where you're at, because there are people that can't get out of bed every day, and then there are people that are just feeling very weighed down by experience.
• 22:42
  So movement is always helpful.
• 22:45
  If you're at the point you're not getting out of bed, the little micro movements that you do in bed will help you.
• 22:51
  And, m- and maybe one day you're just sitting up and you're putting your feet on the ground, so it's that, the, how it, you're building on it.
• 23:00
  A lot of things people also do is recycled thoughts, recycled experiences.
• 23:07
  When you are reliving these past experiences, you're constantly putting yourself in past energy.
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  So working to rewrite those or shift it to something present, and it could be just as present as I'm looking at a dish right now, and it's blue, and I'm gonna wash this dish, and start saying it out
• 23:28
  loud to distract your mind from that old recycled pattern.
• 23:33
  That takes more time, but we often get so caught up in that, especially when we've had trauma.
• 23:40
  We relive the traumatic experiences because it's the body's way of connecting to safety.
• 23:47
  The more I prepare myself for the future based on the past, the safer I am.
• 23:54
  But it keeps us stuck in that old traumatic energy, and you're more likely to manifest it in the future- because you're literally recycling it over and over in your mind.
• 24:03
  So the universe is saying, "Oh, you like this.
• 24:06
  We'll give you more of it."
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  And it sucks.
• 24:09
  I've absolutely experienced that myself, but when we get to that where some old memory comes up or some trigger comes up, start writing a different story, and make it the story about your day.
• 24:23
  What are you gonna do that day?
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  And start saying it out loud.
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  "Okay, I'm grabbing my keys right now.
• 24:28
  I'm grabbing my sunglasses.
• 24:29
  I'm walking out the door."
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  Just to get that out of your mind, or you have to do something physical.
• 24:35
  Bounce a ball, jump up and down.
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  Spin.
• 24:38
  Spinning is a good one also for chakras, clockwise motion, and, not too fast.
• 24:43
  But it just allows the body a reset.
• 24:46
  That's essentially what you are working on, is the energy of resetting.
• 24:50
  Because the more your body learns that reset, it doesn't go back to that default setting.
• 24:56
  So the reset is the process you're working on, and ultimately, you'll get to a place where you don't have to do it as much.
• 25:02
  Yeah.
• 25:04
  But it makes sense, especially when you've gone through trauma, you go through these spirals.
• 25:08
  Yes.
• 25:08
  One little thought, if you don't nip it in the bud and replace it with something else, like you said, where does anxiety come from?
• 25:14
  Either a memory from the past or catastrophizing about the future based on a memory from the past.
• 25:19
  So at no point are we in the present.
• 25:22
  So any of those things.
• 25:23
  I love that tip of just looking at something.
• 25:25
  I do that.
• 25:26
  I'll be like, just stare at something on your wall and be like interesting."
• 25:29
  Focus on the design on your paint, whatever it is.
• 25:32
  Just something to grab your attention back to not that.
• 25:37
  Exactly.
• 25:38
  Exactly.
• 25:38
  Not that.
• 25:39
  Wow, this has been fun.
• 25:41
  This has been super fun, actually.
• 25:42
  I want you to reiterate what you consider an old soul, and who might be a good client for you.
• 25:51
  Old souls are often recognizable through that energy weight.
• 25:56
  They just have this presence.
• 25:58
  You used the word in relation to your son, wisdom.
• 26:01
  They just have this wisdom connected to them, and you can't explain why.
• 26:06
  And this isn't always connected to, I, I will say intelligence, because old souls don't always do well academically, because school and them do not fit very well.
• 26:18
  The structure of a school environment does not work very well for an old soul's energy.
• 26:25
  So if you have that type of child and you think they're not very wise 'cause they're getting Cs and Ds," I'd be like, "Yeah, that's probably an old soul" because they're frustrated with that environment.
• 26:37
  And this is usually on that when you're working with a child, a teenager.
• 26:42
  Older people, when they get especially to their 20s and their 30s, they're probably exhausted because so much of that trauma energy has been weighing.
• 26:52
  So if they haven't been able to face it, work with it, allow any of it to release, by the time they get to the, definitely their 30s they're depleted on so many levels.
• 27:03
  So often they'll actually see, especially women, adrenal fatigue, and adrenal fatigue unfortunately can be connected to so many things, especially motherhood.
• 27:11
  Yeah.
• 27:12
  So it's not always, oh, you're an old soul, yeah, 'cause you have adrenal fatigue.
• 27:16
  But it's just one of those things I see.
• 27:20
  But other things is just the inner knowing.
• 27:23
  They have this inner f- knowing...
• 27:25
  their ability to read people is uncanny.
• 27:28
  They can read a room like nothing else.
• 27:31
  They'll walk into an environment, they could tell you if something is not good about it or if something is amazing about it.
• 27:38
  They just understand things without even knowing fully why they understand it, and they also have a deeper sense of who they are and what they want.
• 27:49
  Maybe not so much what they wanna do, because that's part of the journey.
• 27:54
  Sometimes they do.
• 27:55
  It really will depend And especially it depends on how connected t- they are to a previous life.
• 28:00
  So when you're seeing a very young child especially a prodigy or someone very connected to, like an instrument or an experience, you have these kids that are obsessed with outer space or obsessed with history, and no one in
• 28:14
  the house does anything of that nature.
• 28:17
  It's just very unique to that child.
• 28:19
  Those are all old soul hints.
• 28:23
  And I would say more often than not, they tend to be very challenged or challenging.
• 28:32
  I often say no one challenges a parent like an old soul child, because it is their clearest mirror of really showing you the things about yourself that you may or may not wanna see, and that could be a
• 28:47
  little triggering Okay.
• 28:49
  Yeah.
• 28:49
  No, that makes total sense.
• 28:51
  And I'm laughing because I'm thinking of my son in all these situations.
• 28:55
  I remember we used to pass the plates, and what's one thing you learned today?
• 28:58
  And I think he was in kindergarten, and we were passing our plates, and what's one thing you learned today?
• 29:02
  And he said, "I learned I don't really like school."
• 29:05
  Yep.
• 29:06
  And I was laughing.
• 29:06
  And he really didn't.
• 29:07
  He dropped out of college and everything else, but now he's in the military where he is the decision-maker, he is the critical thinker, he is the guy, and he's excelling like you wouldn't believe.
• 29:19
  And- Believe that, though, now- Yeah because he's just connected to him, so he got the...
• 29:23
  it's a freedom.
• 29:24
  It's a sense of freedom.
• 29:26
  Old souls don't do well with constructs.
• 29:28
  That's why school doesn't work well for them.
• 29:30
  So if anyone has the ab- knows they have an old soul child, if...
• 29:34
  And if they have the ability to homeschool I absolutely do recommend that.
• 29:38
  It makes the educational path a lot easier.
• 29:41
  Not at first, especially if you're not used to it, but over time, because they connect with who they are, and they just don't have that restriction that school often places.
• 29:51
  B- 'Cause school puts us in a box.
• 29:53
  Not everyone belongs in the same box, but school puts us all in the same box, and it's tough for a soul that knows there's more to them and more to life.
• 30:04
  But they're in this box.
• 30:05
  So, that constriction affects their body energy.
• 30:08
  That's why a lot of times they come home and they're in such a bad mood.
• 30:11
  It is very hard for them after a while to shake that energy, 'cause they don't know that a lot of what they're carrying isn't theirs.
• 30:18
  No, that makes total sense.
• 30:19
  You probably can't hear it from where you are.
• 30:21
  We are having a huge storm here, and I'm watching lightning right by my house.
• 30:24
  Oh, crazy.
• 30:25
  I'm like...
• 30:25
  Yeah, it is crazy right now.
• 30:26
  You can't hear it, can you?
• 30:28
  No.
• 30:28
  I, When you said that, maybe that little rumble, but no, Okay.
• 30:31
  No, it's crack, and my dog's barking.
• 30:33
  Oh, that's crazy.
• 30:34
  Yeah.
• 30:34
  Zoom is a wonderful thing, right?
• 30:36
  Yeah, indeed.
• 30:37
  But this has been super fun, but I love all of the, the conversations people have about energy, and I love when you bring it in with the intuition part of it and what you do, because that is so
• 30:48
  vitally important.
• 30:49
  And I encourage anybody to go take that quiz.
• 30:53
  Just find out.
• 30:54
  You never know.
• 30:55
  So tell people if they wanna take the quiz, learn more about you, come work with you, how do they do that?
• 31:00
  Easiest way to find me is my website, which is my name, chriswasco.com.
• 31:05
  Okay, perfect.
• 31:06
  And before you leave...
• 31:07
  first of all, thank you so much for coming on.
• 31:09
  And before you leave, can you give the listeners some words of advice or words of wisdom or just something kind of tangible they can take with them today to make their day a little brighter?
• 31:20
  Yeah, I often tell people that energy heals in micro movements.
• 31:26
  We often, especially in a very fast-paced society, want to heal yesterday, and that causes what I call a rubber band effect.
• 31:36
  You rush something, but you snap back into those old patterns.
• 31:40
  So when we want to make energetic changes that have the ability to last for long-term success, it's the smaller things you do each day to allow for those changes to stick.
• 31:51
  And doing that also honors your body to accept it, to allow it to integrate, and to allow it to accept this version of you're trying to be.
• 32:01
  But a lot of that is about having patience for yourself, and sometimes we get really frustrated with that part of the journey, 'cause we just wanna feel better.
• 32:09
  And I completely get it, but you didn't...
• 32:12
  it didn't happen overnight, so to switch it to where you want that's gonna take a little time but it also takes a lot of love.
• 32:19
  So that patience you have your, for yourself, the more you have, you realize those are those little bits of love you continue to give yourself each day.
• 32:26
  I love that.
• 32:27
  I absolutely love that.
• 32:28
  And I'm picturing the rubber band, and it's so true.
• 32:30
  Just- and not only that, when you think about that too, what happens to a rubber band?
• 32:34
  Eventually it's- Yeah doesn't come back to its- Exactly original shape.
• 32:37
  It comes back to a frayed, falling apart.
• 32:40
  It's not a good thing.
• 32:41
  And then it thinks that's the new norm.
• 32:44
  So yeah.
• 32:44
  Exactly.
• 32:45
  Make those small little micro steps.
• 32:47
  What would be your very first step you would encourage people to take?
• 32:51
  Two things, movement and breath.
• 32:55
  Because breath always keeps you in the present moment.
• 32:58
  So when you're getting into those past experience, future worries, start breathing.
• 33:04
  You don't have to do breathwork.
• 33:05
  The more trauma someone's had, the less aligned they are to breathwork.
• 33:09
  It takes time to connect to breathwork because you have to calm the nervous system.
• 33:12
  While breathwork can calm the nervous system, in those more high traumatic energy bodies, breathwork is a little too challenging.