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Credlin | 31 October · Credlin

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Speaker 1: Peedo Kreblin live on Skyins Australia.
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Speaker 2: Welcome to the show. Here's what's coming up tonight on Kredline,
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Speaker 2: always the showman. Trump embraces the garbage label, highlighting that
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Speaker 2: the Democrats are out of touch. But also two at
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Speaker 2: the White House, another creepy Biden interaction. I'll show you
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Speaker 2: that image. We'll cross live to the United States too.
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Speaker 2: We'll get the latest from James Morrow, who's on the ground.
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Speaker 2: It looks all but certain that we won't see a
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Speaker 2: rate cut this year. It's now looking unlikely we'll see
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Speaker 2: one even before the election.
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Speaker 3: Yet though we.
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Speaker 2: See another sign today the Prime Minister will go to
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Speaker 2: the polls early. A strategists worry about his self inflicted
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Speaker 2: damage to the labor brand. An update two will be
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Speaker 2: at an unwelcome one to Victorian rural community. Is finally
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Speaker 2: more detail on exactly where the two hundred plus kilometers
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Speaker 2: of new transmission lines will be going across a private
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Speaker 2: farming land, and they say they're going.
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Speaker 3: To fight it all the way.
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Speaker 2: I'll speak to a local farmer a little later in
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Speaker 2: the show. Plus, what is our democracy coming to? When
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Speaker 2: a passionate advocate can be barred from Parliament House. That's
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Speaker 2: just what's happened the southnoon in South Australia to university
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Speaker 2: professor Joanna Howe, shall draw me exclusively on Kredlin to
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Speaker 2: explain what's happened, and the Prime Minister the pains too
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Speaker 2: to explain away his freebies, even deploying ministers to blame
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Speaker 2: the media. But for all these excuses, the upshot is
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Speaker 2: a prime Minister that looks to be more interested in
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Speaker 2: the high life than running the country.
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Speaker 4: We still don't frankly, have a clear or I don't think,
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Speaker 4: honest answer from the Prime Minister. The cute form of
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Speaker 4: words coming out of the PMO and out of the
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Speaker 4: Prime Minister just don't add up to a credible response.
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Speaker 3: Well say, with that issue never ran.
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Speaker 2: The former New South Wales Premier, of course, national president
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Speaker 2: of the Labor Party used to say that the best
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Speaker 2: about the working class.
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Speaker 3: Is getting out of it.
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Speaker 2: Now, that's an attitude that the current Prime Minister, a
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Speaker 2: list elbow, seems to have taken to heart. With his
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Speaker 2: avid attendance at celebrity events, he's impending abandonment of his
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Speaker 2: electric for a cliff top mansion on the Central Coast,
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Speaker 2: and with his obvious reluctance to sit down the back
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Speaker 2: of the plane, even on a private holiday trip. Today,
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Speaker 2: after five days of twisting and turning, he's finally released
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Speaker 2: a statement emphatically denying that it ever telephoned Alan Joyce
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Speaker 2: for an upgrade to business or first class. Well, it
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Speaker 2: took a long time to get that statement, didn't it,
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Speaker 2: Meaning that for days he obviously.
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Speaker 3: Thought he had made calls.
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Speaker 2: It's partly why he ran that bogus line about a
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Speaker 2: hotline that no one has ever heard of.
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Speaker 3: Do you call Alan Joyce personally for these upgrades?
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Speaker 5: Look the idea Cornish have a a number in terms
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Speaker 5: of bookings that are private bookings.
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Speaker 2: Well, clearly he got the upgrades, all twenty two of them.
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Speaker 2: So who was it that he called if not Joyce himself,
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Speaker 2: Because ten thousand dollars upgrade gifts don't just happen.
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Speaker 3: I could tell you.
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Speaker 2: Arry Markson thinks the PMS made Andrew Parker might have
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Speaker 2: been involved. Parker, the former Quantus government affairs executive, reportedly
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Speaker 2: handled upgrades for MPs. Never in my time, that's the story,
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Speaker 2: so it goes. And he was so close to Alban
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Speaker 2: Easy that Elwin Easy even turned up to Parker's home
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Speaker 2: as Opposition leader for his housewarming in twenty nineteen. Other
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Speaker 2: media reports today they named former Quantus insider now the
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Speaker 2: Prime minister's number two staff for David Epstein is another
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Speaker 2: likely name who helped get his labor mate a seat
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Speaker 2: at the pointing end of the plane. In the end,
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Speaker 2: the issue isn't so much about how he got the upgrades,
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Speaker 2: but the fact that, as a Transport minister in charge
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Speaker 2: of regulating the aviation industry he accepted them when Transport minister,
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Speaker 2: the one under John Howard John Anderson, he says, when
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Speaker 2: I was minister, I never accepted an upgrade because it
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Speaker 2: was a clear conflict of interest a matter of integrity,
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Speaker 2: but put the PM's lave of a perk to one
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Speaker 2: side for a moment. What's most telling here is the
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Speaker 2: general disdain that the left elite have.
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Speaker 3: For ordinary people.
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Speaker 2: You see it today in the FOI that's just emerged
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Speaker 2: from the office a former Victorian Premier Daniel Andrews, referring
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Speaker 2: to members of the public who were worried about his
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Speaker 2: draconian lockdowns as quote pig headed no it alls. We
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Speaker 2: saw it with the left's constant sneering at anyone who
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Speaker 2: opposed the voice. Let's not forget that was sixty percent
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Speaker 2: of the public in the end called die and dickheads.
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Speaker 6: If you don't know, find out what you don't know.
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Speaker 7: What that essline slogan is saying is if you're a dinosaur.
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Speaker 6: Who can't be by the greeting, then don't know.
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Speaker 2: Bett Ray Martin's not laughing now, I've been above all
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Speaker 2: though we see it in the left general contempt for
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Speaker 2: anyone who doesn't share their worldview.
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Speaker 8: You could put half of Trump's supporters into what I
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Speaker 8: call the basket of deplorables right the racist, sexes, homophobics, anophobic, islamophobic,
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Speaker 8: you name it.
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Speaker 2: That line about a basket of deplorables cost Clinton the
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Speaker 2: twenty sixteen election haunts her too to this day, just
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Speaker 2: as this will likely cost Kamala Harris her shot at
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Speaker 2: the top job Puerto Rico.
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Speaker 6: Where I'm in my home state of Delaware. They're good, decent,
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Speaker 6: honorable people. The only garbage I see floating down there
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Speaker 6: is his orders.
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Speaker 2: That line will it enabled Donald Trump today over the
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Speaker 2: Showman to turn up driving a garbage truck to ramp
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Speaker 2: home the point that elite lefties despise the working people
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Speaker 2: whose votes they're desperately trying to harvest.
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Speaker 9: I think that the comments by really both of them,
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Speaker 9: because they really do of them about being garbage maybe
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Speaker 9: two hundred and fifty million people.
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Speaker 10: They shouldn't be talking.
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Speaker 9: That's like deplorable veil. This is the deplorable vaillery. And
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Speaker 9: I think this is worse actually for Joe Biden to
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Speaker 9: make that statement.
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Speaker 10: It's really discussed.
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Speaker 3: That's a campaign bullseye.
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Speaker 2: In Western democracies like ours, political demography has been shifting
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Speaker 2: for a generation at least, think the Reagan Democrats, thatches,
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Speaker 2: blue collar Tories here in Australia, the Howard Battlers. In
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Speaker 2: those days, though, while aspirational people were more and more
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Speaker 2: likely to vote to the right, so too with a
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Speaker 2: well off these days, the more income you wearn the
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Speaker 2: more likely you are to vote green or vote for
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Speaker 2: their rich sisters, the Teals. Hence the left attitude to
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Speaker 2: the voter on struggle Street who doesn't agree with them.
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Speaker 2: It's a mixture of green sanctimony an old fashioned elitist snobbery.
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Speaker 2: Despite the reality that labor governments can't win without the
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Speaker 2: working people of Western Sydney and Melbourne, who vote Labor
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Speaker 2: more out of habit now than any affinity with the
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Speaker 2: Green left snobs who now run what was once the
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Speaker 2: party of the worker politically Amber. The Albanese's obvious fondness
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Speaker 2: for life's luxuries, that's deadly because it shows how out
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Speaker 2: of touch he is now with Labour's former working class base.
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Speaker 2: Whatever he is these days, notwithstanding growing up in public
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Speaker 2: housing with a single mum on the pension, he's no
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Speaker 2: longer one of them. That's why a lot of former
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Speaker 2: Labor voters are starting to feel conned. It's not that
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Speaker 2: he just hasn't delivered on promises, promises like cutting their
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Speaker 2: power bill, boosting their wages, easing the squee squeeze on
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Speaker 2: mortgage and rents. It's more that he's not the kind
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Speaker 2: of person he said he was, and that's lethal. It's
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Speaker 2: why his backbench is increasingly worried. It's why he's strategists
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Speaker 2: pulling out all stops for an early election. Now I
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Speaker 2: know that Labor is buying up ad space. They're madly
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Speaker 2: getting candidates named in every seat, something the Libs, I
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Speaker 2: have to say, have not done yet. And they're flooding
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Speaker 2: the airwaves with more and more government advertising to win
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Speaker 2: you over. It's why I'm sure the election will be
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Speaker 2: held as soon as possible, a lot earlier than the
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Speaker 2: Prime Minister has indicated. It won't be May, in my view,
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Speaker 2: he'll call it in early February for March, before a
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Speaker 2: new budget makes a red ink and deficits more obvious,
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Speaker 2: before the governments are forced to declare its new climate
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Speaker 2: targets that will inevitably impact on the price of the
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Speaker 2: food we eat, the cars we drive as much as
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Speaker 2: the current targets have hit our power bills, before ministers
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Speaker 2: have to deliver bad news lifetime new plebasek who's likely
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Speaker 2: to shut down Tasmania Saven farming and with it the
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Speaker 2: thousands of jobs in the must win seat of Lions. Yes,
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Speaker 2: Labor wants a rate cut before it goes to the polls,
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Speaker 2: but it's now becoming obvious that the longer they wait
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Speaker 2: for that rate cut, the more damage the Prime Minister
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Speaker 2: is in fflicting on the Labor brand. Once a positive
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Speaker 2: for the battler Albanese, is now becoming a liability. The
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Speaker 2: longer he stays in the top job is everyday voters
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Speaker 2: come to understand that elbow from the Commission Flats is
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Speaker 2: not one of them anymore. All right, let's go to
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Speaker 2: Canberra for the headlines. Skynyes's political reporter cam Redden.
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Speaker 11: Good Evening, the Opposition leader has conceded his office did
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Speaker 11: contact the office of Gina Reinhardt to arrange a trip
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Speaker 11: on her private jet in twenty twenty two. Peter Dutton
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Speaker 11: claims catching a charter flight from Queensland to a Barley
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Speaker 11: bombing memorial in Sydney would have cost the taxpayer tens
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Speaker 11: of thousands of dollars, so instead.
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Speaker 4: The cheaper option for the taxpayer was for my office
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Speaker 4: to speak to to Missus Reinhardt's officer as to whether
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Speaker 4: the plane might be available.
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Speaker 11: The Prime Minister has flatly denied ever contacting former Quantus
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Speaker 11: boss Alan Joyce to request an upgrade on his flights.
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Speaker 1: Such a carefully worded statement which doesn't go to the
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Speaker 1: core of the issue at all.
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Speaker 11: The flight upgrade saga has everyone's record under greater scrutiny.
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Speaker 11: Shadow Transport Minister Bridget Mackenzie is conducting an order of
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Speaker 11: her own travel history.
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Speaker 2: And as soon as I understand the nature of the discrepancies,
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Speaker 2: if there are only then I will be updating my declaration.
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Speaker 11: The Consumer Watchdog is taking Optus to cord for allegedly
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Speaker 11: selling customers items they didn't want or couldn't afford.
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Speaker 7: This conduct is unacceptable.
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Speaker 11: Among the allegations are that consumers were placed under undue
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Speaker 11: pressure to buy expensive products Optis staff, manipulated credit checks
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Speaker 11: and over priced accessories, and that when customers couldn't pay,
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Speaker 11: Optus engaged debt collectors. The telco says it has sacked
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Speaker 11: staff over the allegations, commenced refunds, and has apologized to customers.
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Speaker 11: Cameron Reddin's Sky News Canberra, all right.
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Speaker 2: He's been dodging the direct answers for five days. Today
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Speaker 2: the Prime minister virus statement has finally ruled out having
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Speaker 2: ever contacted former Quantus CEO Alan Joyce personally for flight upgrades.
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Speaker 3: But that's not to say he didn't request.
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Speaker 2: Them, with the Prime Minister having a dedicated contact within
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Speaker 2: Quantus who personally handled his flight upgrades. That's what the
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Speaker 2: insiders to say, and of course any upgrade would have
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Speaker 2: to have been signed off by the CEO. For more
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Speaker 2: on this, I'm joined down by METEA writer for The Australian,
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Speaker 2: Sophie Ellsworth and the Deputy Executive Director of the Institute
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Speaker 2: of Public Affairs, Daniel Wilde.
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Speaker 3: Welcome to you both.
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Speaker 2: Daniel, First to you, I mean, has the PM killed
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Speaker 2: off this story with his statement or is the fact
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Speaker 2: that he got them declared or not when he was
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Speaker 2: the minister in charge of regulating the aviation sector. The
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Speaker 2: real issue here that he can't escape from.
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Speaker 1: Well, no, he hasn't cleared it up at all, Peter,
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Speaker 1: and this is going to go on now for at
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Speaker 1: least a number of days.
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Speaker 3: If not weeks.
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Speaker 1: Look, the issue here is not just that he may
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Speaker 1: have got upgroy did get upgrades. Many others have got
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Speaker 1: upgrades as well. The issue here is did he use
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Speaker 1: his position of authority, as you mentioned in his time
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Speaker 1: as Transport Minister and most recently as Prime Minister in
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Speaker 1: order to get favorable treatment and was there a quid
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Speaker 1: pro quo with Quantas. We know that the government stopped
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Speaker 1: Guitar from expanding into Australia and having more roots into Australia,
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Speaker 1: which was primarily to the benefit of Quantas anti competitive decision,
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Speaker 1: bad for customers, good for Quantas. We also know, Peter
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Speaker 1: that Quanas of course supported the Voice to Parliament so
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Speaker 1: I suspect the situation here is the Prime Minister said, look,
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Speaker 1: we'll stop Gatar from coming into Australia if you support
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Speaker 1: my political agenda, foremost amongst which is the divisive voice
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Speaker 1: to Parliament. So look there's the individual component, which is
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Speaker 1: the Prime Minister. It seems to be dodging the facts,
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Speaker 1: but there's this broader public policy issue that affects all
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Speaker 1: Australians and that's why we need to get to the
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Speaker 1: bottom what's happened.
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Speaker 2: The Assistant Trade Minister Tim As he was on Sky
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Speaker 2: earlier today and he was mocking the media for even
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Speaker 2: questioning the Prime Minister.
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Speaker 12: How a listen, next round of questions will be, you know,
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Speaker 12: did he communicate in Morse code, in semaphore through through
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Speaker 12: the medium of sign language? Did he did he see
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Speaker 12: someone in the street and waved them? Honestly, it just
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Speaker 12: it becomes more and more ridiculous.
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Speaker 2: Well, so, if you're a media writer, apparently it's the
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Speaker 2: media's fault for all of this.
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Speaker 3: Well, Peter, it's not the media's fault.
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Speaker 13: In fact, it's probably mister Albanese's media team that are
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Speaker 13: largely to blame for this because they've let this story
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Speaker 13: run for days. They could have tried to shut it
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Speaker 13: down quickly. And I also see that mister Albanese is
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Speaker 13: trying to deflect here and say that Peter Dutton asked
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Speaker 13: Gina Reinhart for flights. Now now we have since learned
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Speaker 13: that mister Dutton's offers spoke to Gina ryan Hart to
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Speaker 13: get a charter flight to attend a bally bombing service
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Speaker 13: in Sydney because there were no commercial flights available. So
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Speaker 13: I think they're trying to divert here and unsuccessfully. So
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Speaker 13: this has been a very shambolic handling of this situation
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Speaker 13: by mister Albanese's team. He was fumbling through that press
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Speaker 13: conference the other day. It was only days later that
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Speaker 13: he put out a statement which had gaping holes in it.
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Speaker 13: And this is a train wreck for the government, a
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Speaker 13: distraction that they don't need, and again he's become the
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Speaker 13: story for his actions.
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Speaker 2: Let's go to the CPI data yesterday show we had
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Speaker 2: headline inflation down to a three year low two point
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Speaker 2: eight percent.
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Speaker 3: But it's the trimmed mean.
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Speaker 2: DAN that's the RBA's preferred inflation metric. It's above their
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Speaker 2: target ban. The target ban, of course is two to
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Speaker 2: three percent. The trimmed mean is at three point five.
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Speaker 2: This is because things like the cost of services, healthcare, insurance, childcare, rent,
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Speaker 2: all of them continuing to rise. The RBA says, look,
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Speaker 2: we're not going to reduce the cash rate, not when
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Speaker 2: we're above the three percent band. Economists say, forget a
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Speaker 2: rate cup this year. It probably won't see one until
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Speaker 2: after the federal election due obviously in next May. We've
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Speaker 2: also got some pretty soft retail data out today. Last
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Speaker 2: month retail sales just zero point one percent. Now, this
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Speaker 2: is why we're all paying more for mortgages and rents,
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Speaker 2: because inflation is high than it needs to be.
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Speaker 14: Well, that's right, Peter.
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Speaker 1: The reason that headline number is down is because of
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Speaker 1: the artificial tinkering that the government did with their energy subsidies,
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Speaker 1: so that brings down the recorder figure. But like you
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Speaker 1: rightly point out, what the RBA is focused on is
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Speaker 1: the underlying trend, and that's not coming down nearly as fast.
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Speaker 1: I've got to say, I think that the Governor of
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Speaker 1: the Bank, Michelle Bullock, is doing the job she is
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Speaker 1: supposed to be doing. You know, the job of the
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Speaker 1: RBA is to hit the two to three percent inflation
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Speaker 1: target over the medium term on average, and they've only
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Speaker 1: got one tool at their disposal, which is the cash
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Speaker 1: rate target. So you know, the worst thing for our
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Speaker 1: economy and for households here would be if inflation, if
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Speaker 1: interest rates come down too fast, then inflation will start
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Speaker 1: going up again, and then of course interest rates will
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Speaker 1: need to go up to get that inflation back down.
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Speaker 1: So it's really important that the RBA does its job,
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Speaker 1: which is what they are doing and saying, look, we're
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Speaker 1: not going to cut rates until that headline inflation is
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Speaker 1: well and truly where we need it. Now, we know
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Speaker 1: the government is acting against the interests of the RBA.
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Speaker 1: They've got a big spending program. We've also talked about
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Speaker 1: this mass migration program which is cranking up demand as well.
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Speaker 1: So I think the government needs to be looking at
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Speaker 1: its own backyard and say, well, what can we do
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Speaker 1: to get inflation down, rather than pointing the finger at
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Speaker 1: the RBA.
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Speaker 2: And look all this talk about not having a rate
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Speaker 2: cut before May. I think this is another reason why
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Speaker 2: they will go early. They will go before the budget.
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Speaker 2: The ABC Sophy put out their twenty twenty four annual report.
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Speaker 2: In it we learn one point one billion dollars per
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Speaker 2: annum is gifted from the poor old taxpayer to the
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Speaker 2: ABC for parloss almost non existent audiences now. But their chair,
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Speaker 2: the new chair, Ken Williams, says that the public broadcast
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Speaker 2: will undergo a cultural renewal. Now, if they're just going
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Speaker 2: to renew, they're hard left sensibilities, they're hard left culture.
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Speaker 3: I think we've got to reject that. What on earth
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Speaker 3: does cultural renewal me?
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Speaker 13: Well, Kim Williams, since he has become chair earlier this year,
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Speaker 13: has been incredibly concerned about the way the ABC is going.
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Speaker 13: He's been very vocal about this and he basically, well,
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Speaker 13: it's an overhaul of the ABC and we've seen that
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Speaker 13: with various changes that are happening. We're seeing the managing
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Speaker 13: director depart, we're seeing shows revamped. We're seeing, for example,
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Speaker 13: Patricia cavellas she's gone from R and Breakfast that's a
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Speaker 13: very important slot. He wants a revival of the ABC
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Speaker 13: to be more relevant to the Australian audiences and under
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Speaker 13: the ABC charter, the guidelines are that it must be
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Speaker 13: there to inform and you know, notify people about what
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Speaker 13: is going on in the Australian public. You could argue
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Speaker 13: they are doing that, but there is problems with it.
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Speaker 2: Huge problems. But I believe they're going to get maybe
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Speaker 2: a big show tonight. Let's go to the US where
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Speaker 2: what a couple of days there till the polls close.
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Speaker 2: Yesterday President Joe Biden label Donald Trump supporters as garbage. Well,
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Speaker 2: today the Trump campaign is owning it.
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Speaker 9: I think that the comments, they really both of them,
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Speaker 9: because you really two of them about being garbage. Maybe
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Speaker 9: two hundred and fifty million people they shouldn't be talking.
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Speaker 10: That's like deplorable.
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Speaker 9: This is the deplorable vailery, and I think.
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Speaker 2: This is worse actually, Moscow News colleagues. James joins me
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Speaker 2: now from Los Angeles. James, I was talking to an
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Speaker 2: election analyst today. He said that Trump owns the three
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Speaker 2: most iconic images of the campaign, and this is exactly
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Speaker 2: where you want to be the weekend before the poll.
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Speaker 2: The first of those is that image of him shot
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Speaker 2: in that rally at Pennsylvania. The next one is him
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Speaker 2: manning the drive through at McDonald's. And now today he
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Speaker 2: regards Trump in the driver's seat of a garbage truck
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Speaker 2: as that final image of the campaign that will seal
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Speaker 2: a deal for him next week.
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Speaker 15: What do you think, Well, I think your analyst is
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Speaker 15: absolutely right. You know, all three of those moments have
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Speaker 15: a few things in common. Certainly all of them have
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Speaker 15: in common this idea of defiance. And Donald Trump is
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Speaker 15: all about defiance, whether it's the assassin's bullet or whether
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Speaker 15: it's defiance of the Democrats and a lot of people
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Speaker 15: in the media who want to do away with him
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Speaker 15: by other means. But that's the other thing I think
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Speaker 15: that really stands out. With two of those him he
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Speaker 15: is the last two certainly McDonald's and the garbage truck
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Speaker 15: are this idea that A, you know, he's a happy warrior,
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Speaker 15: he is actually joyful where Kabala talks about joy, and
21:13
Speaker 15: b he has no problem being a normal person. These
21:16
Speaker 15: are sort of icons of normality. And as I always say,
21:19
Speaker 15: in politics, Peter, whoever is being the more normal and
21:22
Speaker 15: relatable candidate, tends to have the advantage. And I think
21:25
Speaker 15: that's exactly the spot that Donald Trump is now. Just
21:28
Speaker 15: with a few days left of the polls.
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Speaker 2: We'll get on too, Harris in a moment, and what
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Speaker 2: did you make of that shot of the president with
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Speaker 2: his mouth on the leg of a toddler at the
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Speaker 2: White House.
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Speaker 15: Well, I mean, that's just Joe Biden being Joe Biden.
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Speaker 15: But you know how many times have we seen him
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Speaker 15: doing things where he just does strange things like you know,
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Speaker 15: chomping a toddler at the Halloween party, or sniffing hair
21:53
Speaker 15: or doing all sorts of things. This is unfortunately. You know,
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Speaker 15: he talked about those images that Donald Trump is being
21:58
Speaker 15: remembered for McDonalds fight fight fight in Butler, Pennsylvania, the
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Speaker 15: garbage truck, and Joe Biden, his long career of public service,
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Speaker 15: goes out with a toddler's leg.
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Speaker 10: In his mouth.
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Speaker 15: I mean, I know who I'd rather be.
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Speaker 2: But I went to school in California and it's got
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Speaker 2: a lot woker since I was there.
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Speaker 3: So I'm going to.
22:19
Speaker 2: Apply a discount factor for the fact that you are
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Speaker 2: there tonight.
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Speaker 3: But what's the mood on the ground in the West Coast.
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Speaker 15: Well, that's really interesting that you mentioned that, because I've
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Speaker 15: been talking to people all day here in Los Angeles,
22:32
Speaker 15: different parts of town, Hollywood, Santa Monica, places like that,
22:36
Speaker 15: places that not only have, of course a lot of Californians,
22:38
Speaker 15: but also people who are here visiting from other parts
22:41
Speaker 15: of the country and indeed the world. And what I
22:44
Speaker 15: found this time versus when I was out here in
22:46
Speaker 15: twenty twenty covering the campaign is people are a little
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Speaker 15: bit more comfortable if they're talking about supporting Trump, about
22:52
Speaker 15: saying that. Just have a little look at what some
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Speaker 15: of the folks had say, what do you like about
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Speaker 15: Harris Ah?
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Speaker 10: That she's not Trump?
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Speaker 7: Trump?
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Speaker 15: It's anybody but Trump. Anybody went trum.
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Speaker 16: So I'll say this, it's always a lesser two evils.
23:06
Speaker 16: We at least one person's telling you what they're going
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Speaker 16: to do. You may not like it. The other one
23:10
Speaker 16: can't figure out how to get out of a sentence,
23:13
Speaker 16: and how.
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Speaker 15: Should we take that one?
23:15
Speaker 16: Who do you know who can't form a complete sentence
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Speaker 16: and answer a question? It's pretty easy to see. At
23:22
Speaker 16: least the other one tells you what he's thinking, how
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Speaker 16: he's thinking, and what he's going to do.
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Speaker 15: Who do you like in the in the election? On Tuesday?
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Speaker 5: Personally Kamela and.
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Speaker 3: Gambla, we hope for also a free Paler Star.
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Speaker 11: Election, tramp trime with Trump?
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Speaker 3: Trump, Yes, tramp with Trump Trump.
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Speaker 15: A Trump pro Trump? Yeah? Trump? Who do you like?
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Speaker 15: On Tuesday?
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Speaker 3: On Tuesday?
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Speaker 6: Yeah, I'm more of a calm loa guy myself.
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Speaker 2: Right into the final stretch here, absolutely that last weekend
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Speaker 2: of campaign and James, what are we expecting to see?
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Speaker 15: Well, yeah, we're going to see you know, even though
24:02
Speaker 15: I guess you could say Kamala Harris had her closing argument,
24:05
Speaker 15: she's going to keep out there on the campaign trail.
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Speaker 15: We also know that Donald Trump is going to be
24:09
Speaker 15: speaking in North Carolina, which is that swing state that
24:12
Speaker 15: he really really wants to pick up. But if you
24:14
Speaker 15: see a win there for North Carolina for Trump, it
24:16
Speaker 15: could be a very different night than the Harris and
24:20
Speaker 15: Waltz team. What The big question, though, Peter, is where's
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Speaker 15: Joe Biden going to be in all of this? Will
24:26
Speaker 15: he come out of hiding, Will he come out and
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Speaker 15: say anything else? Will he try and do his routine
24:30
Speaker 15: of I'm helping this campaign that he seems to have
24:33
Speaker 15: done so much to undermine and throw a grenade in
24:37
Speaker 15: the path of That's going to be the thing I
24:38
Speaker 15: think we should watch going into Tuesday. Where is Joe Biden.
24:43
Speaker 3: It'll be fascinating.
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Speaker 2: I'll be glued to it all wake in in and
24:46
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25:04
Speaker 2: development when it comes to the transmission line set to
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Speaker 2: cut through farmingland across the country. Victoria's first, I'll take
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Speaker 2: you through exactly what's happening there in a moment. Plus
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Speaker 2: the academic who Justice Afternoon's been banned from Parliament House
25:19
Speaker 2: simply for voicing her views on abortion. A bit later
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Speaker 2: on too, John Anderson joins me for a reality check
25:26
Speaker 2: on Labour's defense credentials. Welcome back, still card, lots to talk,
25:35
Speaker 2: not a lot of action from Labor when it comes
25:37
Speaker 2: to defense procurement. John Anderson with that and more, Plus
25:40
Speaker 2: the PM's first class fiasco. John of course was a
25:43
Speaker 2: former Transport minister. We'll get his taken all of that,
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Speaker 2: but first your recall that just two weeks ago there
25:47
Speaker 2: was a passionate debate in the South Australian Parliament about
25:50
Speaker 2: a bill related to late term abortion. The bill was
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Speaker 2: narrowly defeated by just one vote. One of its strongest
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Speaker 2: supporters was University of Adelaide Professor of Law, doctor Joanna Howe.
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Speaker 2: Well in breaking news this afternoon because of her views,
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Speaker 2: Professor Howe has now been banned from the South Australian Parliament.
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Speaker 2: Doctor Howe joins me now, Joe, want to thank you
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Speaker 2: for your time. I was shocked when I got your
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Speaker 2: message this afternoon. What's the justification for this band?
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Speaker 7: Yes, look, Peter, it's pretty shaky. I'll be honest with you.
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Speaker 7: I too was shocked.
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Speaker 17: I just couldn't believe in my ears when I heard
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Speaker 17: President Terry Stevens along with the Cabbala pro abortion MPs
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Speaker 17: in the Parliament who have basically ganged together to say
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Speaker 17: that they felt unsafe because I spoke to certain MPs
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Speaker 17: about the importance of voting for the live birth spill.
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Speaker 17: Apparently I was in the wrong corridor at the wrong time.
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Speaker 17: Apparently some of them felt a little bit intimidated by
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Speaker 17: the conversations they had with me, and apparently I yelled
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Speaker 17: at somebody across the chamber, which is just absolutely true.
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Speaker 17: So you know, it's the most scurrilous basis for banning
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Speaker 17: somebody from the People's House. And it's absolutely shocking to
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Speaker 17: think that people could use their power and their privilege
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Speaker 17: to ban a.
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Speaker 7: Member of the public without any due process.
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Speaker 17: You know, these are anonymous complaints that were made to
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Speaker 17: the president by pro abortion labor and MPs. And you know,
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Speaker 17: I think the essay Parliament, it's not owned by Terry
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Speaker 17: Stevens or Terry by Peter Mulanaskis, Connie Banaris, Tammy Franks,
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Speaker 17: any of these people.
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Speaker 7: You know, it's not even owned by the premier, is it.
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Speaker 7: It's owned by the people.
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Speaker 17: And for them to ban a member of the public
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Speaker 17: because they've been passionately campaigning on an issue, it's just
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Speaker 17: an affront to democracy.
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Speaker 7: And I can't believe we're here.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, the Parliament will ban people if they
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Speaker 2: are violent. Unfortunately it doesn't can't ban people like Lydia
27:52
Speaker 2: thoughpe for bad behavior. But in your case, just banning
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Speaker 2: someone because they don't like your views. I mean, politics
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Speaker 2: is supposed to be we have civil debate, it's supposed
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Speaker 2: to be the battle of ideas.
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Speaker 3: You're not going to cop this. Are you to fight
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Speaker 3: this ban?
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Speaker 15: Oh?
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Speaker 7: Absolutely?
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Speaker 17: I mean I think I encourage people to sign my petition,
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Speaker 17: which is going to be flicked up on the screen
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Speaker 17: via QR code in a moment.
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Speaker 7: It's a petition to stand.
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Speaker 17: With me in fighting this band because at the end
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Speaker 17: of the day, all I did is what any member
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Speaker 17: of the public and campaigner should be able to do,
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Speaker 17: which to speak to MPs about how they are going
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Speaker 17: to vote on a particular issue. This is the democratic process,
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Speaker 17: and these people are paid over two hundred and fifteen
28:34
Speaker 17: thousand dollars a year to represent South Australians in the Parliament.
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Speaker 17: To ban someone because that person said that they were
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Speaker 17: going to hold them to account for the way that
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Speaker 17: they voted.
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Speaker 7: That's all I said to these MPs is if you vote.
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Speaker 17: Against the Lib Men's Bill, you're voting to inject babies
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Speaker 17: with potassium chloride in the third trimester and to deliver
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Speaker 17: those babies still born.
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Speaker 7: That's a disgusting position to take.
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Speaker 17: I will hold you to account on social media where
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Speaker 17: and on my database where I have over one hundred
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Speaker 17: and twenty thousand Australians following me. That apparently Peter made
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Speaker 17: them feel unsafe and now they've ganged together without any
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Speaker 17: due process to arbitrarily announce this ban. No one made
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Speaker 17: a formal allegation to me. I was not investigated. I
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Speaker 17: didn't have an opportunity to respond. I mean, we don't
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Speaker 17: live in a totalitarian state the last time I changed.
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Speaker 17: We're meant to be in a democracy. And every Australian
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Speaker 17: should be concerned. Irrespective of whether you grieve me on
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Speaker 17: abortion or not, every Australian should be concerned when a
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Speaker 17: member of the public is banned.
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Speaker 7: Argument house because power and privilege. She exactly used their
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Speaker 7: power in this way.
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Speaker 3: I got to leave it there.
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Speaker 2: I've had to squeeze you in because I know it's
29:41
Speaker 2: a really important topical issue tonight, So apologies for this end.
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Speaker 2: Sydney's a bit slow getting QR code art Professor Howe.
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Speaker 2: I'll make sure we put it up there by the
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Speaker 2: end of the show. Thanks for joining me tonight. We'll
29:52
Speaker 2: stay in touch, all right. Let's move across the border
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Speaker 2: now from South Australia to Victoria, where for over a
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Speaker 2: year regional communities have been racing for the role out
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Speaker 2: of massive new transmission towers for renewables. Up until now,
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Speaker 2: exactly where these transmission lines would go was being kept
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Speaker 2: secret from residents and farmers. Yesterday, however, transmission Company Victoria
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Speaker 2: released its preferred easement report, and that shows where two
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Speaker 2: hundred and forty kilometers of power lines will now cut
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Speaker 2: through about two hundred and fifty farms and other private properties. Locals,
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Speaker 2: to put it bluntly, well, they're not happy and avowing
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Speaker 2: to fight it all the way. Joining me now one
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Speaker 2: of those locals, Charlton farmer Glendon watts Well. Glenn and
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Speaker 2: I hoped when we spoke again you might have some
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Speaker 2: positive news that you'd won the war against these transmission towers.
30:44
Speaker 2: But now that you know the route, give us a
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Speaker 2: sense of what it's like for your local community and
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Speaker 2: what other farmers are telling you.
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Speaker 10: I think it's the reality is finally hit home. I
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Speaker 10: guess Peter that.
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Speaker 18: Knew this day was coming, I suppose, and now it's here.
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Speaker 18: There's a bit of a I guess as realities hit
31:07
Speaker 18: the ground, you and know, rubbers hit the road. So
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Speaker 18: you know, the community is kind of now trying to
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Speaker 18: process what's been put in front of us. There's been
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Speaker 18: big changes in the last you know, since they're preferred
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Speaker 18: kind of narrow two cool meter option, they've now kind
31:24
Speaker 18: of in different places along the route changed that due
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Speaker 18: to whatever reason.
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Speaker 10: You know, they'll give you five different reasons why they've
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Speaker 10: done that.
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Speaker 18: But now you know it's having more effects on some
31:34
Speaker 18: people who thought they weren't going to be affected. And
31:36
Speaker 18: there's other people who are no longer being potentially as
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Speaker 18: affected by this physical transmission line is what they were initially.
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Speaker 18: So it's all over the place. But as a general,
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Speaker 18: as you say, it's not necessarily good news as such, A.
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Speaker 2: Lot of this is farming land. A lot of this
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Speaker 2: is the land and which you know, people in urban areas.
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Speaker 3: Survived.
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Speaker 2: You know, you guys grow the grains and other things
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Speaker 2: of fat lambs that we all enjoy in the city.
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Speaker 3: So how far are farmers willing to take this.
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Speaker 10: I think that's the question in the matter.
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Speaker 18: We'll go all the way, you know, we'll go as
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Speaker 18: high as and needs to legally, and then if that
32:14
Speaker 18: doesn't work, well, we'll meet them at the gate. And
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Speaker 18: it's not going to be one or two farmers, you know,
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Speaker 18: jumping up and down their gate. It's going to be
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Speaker 18: the whole community where united from the top to the
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Speaker 18: bottom of the v and is the w r L.
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Speaker 18: We're all going to be there and we'll do whatever
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Speaker 18: it takes. You know, you hear the saying a man
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Speaker 18: who's got nothing to lose is very dangerous. You consider
32:32
Speaker 18: what a man, or a lady or whatever, a farmer,
32:34
Speaker 18: a generational farmer of six, seven, eight generations, what we've
32:37
Speaker 18: got to lose, and how much we're willing to fight
32:39
Speaker 18: to protect that.
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Speaker 10: And not only that, but democracy. You know, it's not
32:46
Speaker 10: far from communism. Is that they're coming in.
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Speaker 18: They're trying to take our land and force this project
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Speaker 18: upon us, regardless of our rights.
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Speaker 10: They're removing our rights. You know, they've stopped us from
32:53
Speaker 10: challenging a becat.
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Speaker 18: So we're not only fighting to ensure food security our community,
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Speaker 18: I guess, our freedom to farm and do what we
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Speaker 18: love doing, but we're also fighting for democracy and what's
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Speaker 18: right in this country. So we're going to go all
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Speaker 18: the way and we'll do whatever it takes. But there
33:09
Speaker 18: won't be want or two of us. We'll all be
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Speaker 18: there and we'll do what it takes to stop it.
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Speaker 2: Since we spoke about this a couple of years ago,
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Speaker 2: I'm now inundated with people that have got the same
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Speaker 2: sort of stories of lack of consultation foreign companies railroaded
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Speaker 2: legal processes in relation to wind farms, solar farms, transmission
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Speaker 2: lines like yours. How can people support you even if
33:32
Speaker 2: they don't live near the route Glenn and how can
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Speaker 2: people support you from around Australia.
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Speaker 10: Yeah, so it's a great question.
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Speaker 18: And I think, you know, since we started chatting about it,
33:42
Speaker 18: this been a couple of years ago to say it
33:44
Speaker 18: was a few and far between. There wasn't much awareness.
33:46
Speaker 18: But you know, as we're going along, there's more and
33:48
Speaker 18: more awareness, which is fantastic. So you know, you don't
33:50
Speaker 18: have to live in you and Green like myself to
33:53
Speaker 18: have a conversation around this with your friends, your mate,
33:56
Speaker 18: your work colleagues, whatever it is, whoever it is, to
33:58
Speaker 18: raise awareness that this isn't the right way, this isn't
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Speaker 18: the cheapest option. You know, we're seeing the AEMO I
34:04
Speaker 18: can't think of his name, came out the other day
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Speaker 18: and finally admitted that renewal lens is not going to
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Speaker 18: necessarily guarantee lower power prices.
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Speaker 10: We've been arguing that for two years, you know.
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Speaker 18: So I think have those conversations, ask those questions, do
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Speaker 18: your own research, don't get too caught up in mainstream
34:19
Speaker 18: media don't get too caught up in what mister Bowen
34:23
Speaker 18: comes out and says that the press conference with his
34:24
Speaker 18: hard hat on, go beyond that, and then you know
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Speaker 18: the I guess the thing is really going to solve
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Speaker 18: it for us is a change in federal government is
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Speaker 18: going to be the biggest chance sort of thing looking
34:36
Speaker 18: to go.
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Speaker 10: A nuclear utilizes existing infrastructure, so you know, come.
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Speaker 18: Election day, whenever that might be state and federally, you
34:44
Speaker 18: need to need to consider the bush and think about us.
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Speaker 10: So that would be the best way that you can
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Speaker 10: support us going forward.
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Speaker 3: Terrific.
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Speaker 2: I gotta leave it there, Glennaron, thanks for joining me tonight.
34:55
Speaker 2: We'll stay across it as I promised you we would,
34:57
Speaker 2: all right. John Anderson joins me if he's on the
35:00
Speaker 2: story State of our defense, Sports under labor bus. Another
35:03
Speaker 2: state waves the white flag on drugs film testing legal
35:07
Speaker 2: now in Victoria.
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Speaker 3: Still the calm. David Chris A.
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Speaker 2: Fooley Jesus hit the ground running. He's dragging the parliament back.
35:18
Speaker 2: He wants his adult time, adult crime, adult time legislation
35:23
Speaker 2: through by.
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Speaker 3: The end of the year. I'll get you an update
35:25
Speaker 3: on that. The first plea to discuss the next guest.
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Speaker 2: Let's bring him straight in joining me format Deputy Prime Minister,
35:30
Speaker 2: former Transport Minister John Anderson.
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Speaker 3: I'll get into the.
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Speaker 2: Fence, which was what we were going to talk about.
35:36
Speaker 2: But two things first, if I can, John, I just
35:40
Speaker 2: spoke to Glendon Watt, a farmer in Country Victoria. They
35:45
Speaker 2: are up in arms about two hundred and forty kilometers
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Speaker 2: of transmission towers crisscrossing really good arable farmland, two hundred
35:52
Speaker 2: and fifty farms affected. They've just got the detail now.
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Speaker 2: They've been fighting it for two years.
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Speaker 3: This is a story.
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Speaker 2: We're here right across the country and they are barred
36:02
Speaker 2: under law from even trying to appeal it.
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Speaker 3: So they're going to fight it electorally.
36:08
Speaker 6: Well.
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Speaker 19: The fact that they're banned from appealing it when anybody
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Speaker 19: else seems to have to stop any project or on
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Speaker 19: the most extraordinary claims about the environment is deeply offensive
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Speaker 19: to me. But you know what strikes me is that
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Speaker 19: the Australian government claims that we have reduced carbon foot
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Speaker 19: print as a nation by twenty nine percent since two
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Speaker 19: thousand and five, the baseline a year overwhelmingly, I mean,
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Speaker 19: he is in absolutely, totally extraordinarily overwhelming me. That's been
36:36
Speaker 19: because of impositions put on farmers and changing land use patterns,
36:40
Speaker 19: changing livestock management practices. Now we want to swallow up
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Speaker 19: a whole lot of land and deny and it is
36:46
Speaker 19: prime agricultural land.
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Speaker 6: There's a moral dimension defeeding people and we're ignoring it,
36:52
Speaker 6: and I think that is disgraceful.
36:56
Speaker 2: I know you know, or you've met Professor Howe, law
36:59
Speaker 2: professor at Lady University, who just this afternoon, in breaking news,
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Speaker 2: has been banned from going anywhere near the South Australian
37:07
Speaker 2: Parliament because people don't like her position on late term abortion. Now,
37:12
Speaker 2: if you don't like it, fine, but Parliament is supposed
37:15
Speaker 2: to be where we have civil debate and a battle
37:17
Speaker 2: of ideas.
37:18
Speaker 3: What's your reaction to this?
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Speaker 19: My reaction is that you will never get good public
37:23
Speaker 19: policy out of a bad or a truncated or a
37:26
Speaker 19: shut down debate. And yet we now seem to live
37:29
Speaker 19: in an age whund Instead of saying I may disagree
37:32
Speaker 19: with you, of defender the death you're right, we say,
37:34
Speaker 19: if you dare to disagree with the zeitgeist and with
37:36
Speaker 19: my position, I will do anything to silence you.
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Speaker 6: Therein lies a massive part of it.
37:42
Speaker 19: If if you were to say to me, what is
37:43
Speaker 19: the biggest threat complaining to Australia today, I would say
37:47
Speaker 19: it is our inability to have honest, frank debates around
37:51
Speaker 19: subjects that really matter, where new evidence is emerging all
37:56
Speaker 19: the time that needs to be considered by our legislators.
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Speaker 6: This is truly disgraceful.
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Speaker 3: Well, let's go to defense.
38:05
Speaker 2: The Defense Industry Minister Pat Conroy was in the National
38:08
Speaker 2: Press Club yesterday lauding Labour's military buildup.
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Speaker 20: We've allocated up to seventy four billion dollars of the
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Speaker 20: Defense Integrated Investment Program over the next decade. The alban
38:22
Speaker 20: Ezy government has embarked on the biggest increase in Australian
38:25
Speaker 20: missile capabilities in history.
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Speaker 2: I guess my problem here it's always we've announced, we've allocated,
38:34
Speaker 2: we've in barked. I want to see a bit of
38:37
Speaker 2: we've delivered, we've opened, we've got moving, we've acquired. It's
38:41
Speaker 2: on the ground, it's operational. There's not a lot of
38:43
Speaker 2: tangible outcomes here. And I don't think we've been in
38:46
Speaker 2: this position for decades in terms of you know, global uncertainty.
38:51
Speaker 19: Well exactly and I think part of the problem is
38:54
Speaker 19: that we've thought there wouldn't be another major powers war.
38:56
Speaker 19: But Ukraine should have absolutely blown that out of the water.
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Speaker 6: You know, when Russia.
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Speaker 19: Attacked Ukraine in February of twenty twenty two, there was
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Speaker 19: a clear warning major power conflict is quite possible.
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Speaker 6: Politicians everywhere now I've been.
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Speaker 19: Telling us that there's a real chance of something going
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Speaker 19: wrong to our north and that the great danger period
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Speaker 19: is the next five years. Why is it that we
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Speaker 19: were told five years ago the Australian people were told
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Speaker 19: we were going to build missiles here. It'd take two
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Speaker 19: years to choose the contractor and to have a plant
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Speaker 19: up and running, and we'd be building missiles here five
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Speaker 19: years ago. Where the urgency is now, there's somebody right
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Speaker 19: the other day. Nothing more formidable and impressive that in
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Speaker 19: Australian in a dangerous warlike or a war situation. There's
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Speaker 19: nothing very impressive about Australian. It's being asleep at the wheel.
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Speaker 19: We're not prepared for a conflict. We're not prepared to
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Speaker 19: defend ourselves.
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Speaker 6: Endless talk.
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Speaker 19: Where is the factory that's meant to be producing and
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Speaker 19: should have been producing for three or four.
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Speaker 6: Years now, where is it?
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Speaker 15: John?
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Speaker 2: I've got to ask you, how a government, you were
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Speaker 2: a transport minister. What do you make of the confirmation
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Speaker 2: that the Prime Minister sought There's debate about who he
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Speaker 2: sought it through, but sought upgrades from Quantas got them
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Speaker 2: on twenty two different occasions for private personal travel while
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Speaker 2: he was in the transport minister's job. You've been there,
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Speaker 2: You've had to regulate the aviation industry like mister Albanezy did.
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Speaker 2: What do you make of him accepting those freebies?
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Speaker 19: Well, it is troubling, I think that, and I often
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Speaker 19: say this to my wife even now though I'm long
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Speaker 19: out of it. We need to try and keep in
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Speaker 19: mind that people will almost expect now the political class,
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Speaker 19: that they will look for the little luxuries in life
40:51
Speaker 19: and a bit of a slippy and a bit of
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Speaker 19: a cheat. Then you've got to be so on your
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Speaker 19: guard against it. And I genuinely believe I did try.
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Speaker 19: I hope I didn't make any mistakes. I don't certainly
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Speaker 19: never remember asking for an upgrade. Commonly enough has gave
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Speaker 19: me one two months after I left the Parliament and
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Speaker 19: there was nowhere to report it. I kind of appreciated it,
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Speaker 19: but I don't certainly didn't ask one. I don't really
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Speaker 19: recall it happening. There is an answer here. I think
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Speaker 19: I was once accused after I'd set down his Deputy
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Speaker 19: Prime Minister having had done the wrong thing with some shares.
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Speaker 19: So I thought about it for a while and I thought, well,
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Speaker 19: the easiest answer here is to go and walk into
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Speaker 19: the Parliament itself and say well, I don't believe I
41:34
Speaker 19: have done anything wrong at all. In fact, i'm sure
41:37
Speaker 19: I haven't, but if you have concerns, and I am
41:39
Speaker 19: happy to be referred to the responsible body, and sometimes
41:43
Speaker 19: I think that's the easiest way to do it. Well,
41:45
Speaker 19: let an independent body, we have one now test the claims.
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Speaker 3: Outside.
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Speaker 19: And even Alan Ramsey said, well, obviously there was no
41:56
Speaker 19: case to answer. Otherwise it was Kelvin Thompson, who left
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Speaker 19: the Parliament under interesting circumstances, who simply dropped the case overnight.
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Speaker 6: And Alan Ramsey said, well there was nothing there. That's
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Speaker 6: the way to do it.
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Speaker 2: Your point there, though, if the Prime minister's sure he's
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Speaker 2: done everything by the book and he's got no issues
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Speaker 2: that sit behind these upgrades, let the Umpire check put
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Speaker 2: it before the umpire let the new anti corruption.
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Speaker 3: Watch dog have a look.
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Speaker 2: That's a very good point, John Amson, thank you for
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Speaker 2: your time.
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Speaker 3: We'll leave it there.
42:29
Speaker 2: So that point about shairs, I made it a practice
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Speaker 2: when I was a Prime Minister's chief of staff, all
42:33
Speaker 2: the way through sixteen years in politics. I never owned
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Speaker 2: a personal share in any shape or form. You got
42:42
Speaker 2: to keep your nose clean all.
42:43
Speaker 3: Right after the break, the clock is ticking.
42:45
Speaker 2: David Chris and Fooley bound a PAS tough new crime
42:47
Speaker 2: laws by Christmas lasts and other state waves and White
42:51
Speaker 2: flag on its war on drugs. Not a war anymore,
42:54
Speaker 2: it's a capitulation. In Victoria, FIM testing becomes legal.
43:03
Speaker 3: Just a quick one.
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Speaker 2: I mentioned before when I was talking to Professor Howe
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Speaker 2: Joanna Howe. He's just been banned from the South Australian
43:08
Speaker 2: Parliament for her views on late term abortion. You can
43:12
Speaker 2: scan the QR code on the screen now to support
43:15
Speaker 2: her petition to fight this ban.
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Speaker 3: Will also put that up on my socials.
43:21
Speaker 2: Let's bring in my panel now those Spectator columnist Terry Barnes,
43:24
Speaker 2: Paul and Hanson's One Nation chief of Staff James Ashby.
43:28
Speaker 2: I'm not sure I've got James just at the moment
43:29
Speaker 2: there's a big storm passing through where he is. But
43:32
Speaker 2: I'll go to you if I can terry this COVID
43:35
Speaker 2: report that's been handed down, and admissions from everyone that
43:39
Speaker 2: they got the communications wrong, that the draconian lockdowns were
43:43
Speaker 2: too tough, that perhaps they could have dealt with things
43:47
Speaker 2: more sensibly, a little bit more kindly to us poor
43:51
Speaker 2: Victorians in particular, who were locked down for so long.
43:54
Speaker 3: What do you make of it all?
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Speaker 21: Well, I'm still going through the report, certainly looking at
44:01
Speaker 21: the conclusions and recommendations.
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Speaker 3: Yes, they say all that, and they actually went a bit.
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Speaker 21: Further than they were supposed to and looked at what
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Speaker 21: the states were doing and how the premiers particularly responded
44:10
Speaker 21: to it. But really what I saw here in terms
44:13
Speaker 21: of the recommendations is well, it's setting up a manual
44:16
Speaker 21: for future command and control. It's all about how making
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Speaker 21: a government making the processes work. It's not really about
44:23
Speaker 21: the effect on the community as a whole.
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Speaker 6: And what I saw was.
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Speaker 21: Missing were two things. Really, I think it's important that
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Speaker 21: there is a commitment in future that any pandemic response,
44:36
Speaker 21: any emergency response like COVID, actually puts personal liberties and
44:42
Speaker 21: the security of our democracy first and foremost so working
44:45
Speaker 21: around that, but also I think making sure that it's
44:48
Speaker 21: consistent around the country that we don't have state versus
44:51
Speaker 21: state versus made as we did with COVID. I don't
44:53
Speaker 21: see any of that, and I think it's important that
44:57
Speaker 21: I think this is a good report.
44:58
Speaker 3: Let's be fair.
44:59
Speaker 21: It's a good report, but it's focusing on government. It's
45:02
Speaker 21: not focusing on the impact on the community as a whole.
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Speaker 2: I'd just say for people at home too. Terry has
45:09
Speaker 2: been a senior advisor in health policy for many, many years.
45:11
Speaker 2: You're coming to it with that lens, as well as
45:14
Speaker 2: obviously being a political analyst. I thought it was extraordinary
45:17
Speaker 2: to get after a long legal battle for Damon Johnson
45:21
Speaker 2: at The Australian the redacted part of an FOI email earlier.
45:27
Speaker 2: Got this email I think about eighteen months ago, but
45:30
Speaker 2: there was a bit that was blacked out that he
45:32
Speaker 2: didn't know what was said. I finally got all of
45:34
Speaker 2: that and the words that were omitted. This is This
45:38
Speaker 2: is an email from the Premier's office in Victoria labeling
45:41
Speaker 2: lockdown skeptics as quote peak headed no it all's now
45:45
Speaker 2: This was an email between Tyudos Research and the Premier's office.
45:50
Speaker 3: We don't know who else was involved.
45:52
Speaker 2: Kyudos Research was doing a whole lot of polling paid
45:56
Speaker 2: for by the taxpayer, about the politics of COVID. How
45:59
Speaker 2: Victorians we're seeing the Premiere in all of this. Now
46:04
Speaker 2: you got an abuse of the voters here using taxpayer
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Speaker 2: funds for polling, an FOI process that really isn't about
46:11
Speaker 2: freedom of information anymore.
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Speaker 3: I mean, what's your thoughts here here, Terry.
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Speaker 21: Well cert The FI process seemed to be designed to
46:20
Speaker 21: be dragged out past the state election NOVEVB twenty twenty two,
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Speaker 21: which is a very political use of it. But in
46:26
Speaker 21: terms of cut dos, I mean, don't forget it. Well,
46:29
Speaker 21: we're talking about labor mates working with labor mates, aren't we.
46:32
Speaker 21: And the thing that really really got my nose out
46:36
Speaker 21: of joint with what the revelations from that FOI is
46:41
Speaker 21: the way that it actually wanted to pick a fight
46:44
Speaker 21: with Victorians, that wanted to actually legitimize what the government
46:48
Speaker 21: was doing by getting people to push back against it.
46:50
Speaker 21: That's we talk about state mate versus mate. I mean, effectively,
46:55
Speaker 21: the government commissioned and spent money to get advice.
46:59
Speaker 3: To do just that.
46:59
Speaker 21: And really in Victoria Victorians were pitted against each other,
47:05
Speaker 21: not just in terms of Daniel Andrews as then premier,
47:08
Speaker 21: but I think in terms of the way that the
47:10
Speaker 21: government of the day and people like the Chief Health
47:14
Speaker 21: Office of Bret Sutton, who has admitted mistakes after the
47:17
Speaker 21: COVID report, to be fair, really got.
47:21
Speaker 3: Into those who didn't toe the line.
47:23
Speaker 21: And really, I think the other thing about it is
47:26
Speaker 21: that that report also sort of put Victorians into categories,
47:32
Speaker 21: so those who are the base, those who are totally against,
47:35
Speaker 21: those who could be persuaded and really playing politics with
47:39
Speaker 21: COVID and making to make the government look good. I
47:42
Speaker 21: just think, in hindsight, in retrospect is a great disgrace
47:45
Speaker 21: and they should be fully accountable for it.
47:47
Speaker 3: And I'd also like to see Daniel.
47:49
Speaker 2: A well, you're not going to get that and this
47:54
Speaker 2: was the politics of fear and he used all of
47:57
Speaker 2: that to set himself up for an election which he
47:59
Speaker 2: hands some one because I hate to say the Libs
48:02
Speaker 2: were nowhere to be seen. Hey, just before we go
48:04
Speaker 2: to some Queensland issues, I want to get your views
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Speaker 2: on pill testing. It's now law in Victoria all The
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Speaker 2: drug festivals are not music festivals. The drug festivals that
48:13
Speaker 2: are coming over summer, they'll have mobile pill testing at them.
48:16
Speaker 2: There'll also be a fixed venue somewhere in Melbourne. We
48:19
Speaker 2: don't know where that is yet, but what will happen here? James,
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Speaker 2: you know you've got your pills in your pockets. You're
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Speaker 2: on your way to get them tested, or maybe you're not.
48:28
Speaker 2: The police pull you up, they say you're trafficking. You
48:30
Speaker 2: say no, sorry, officer, I'm just going to get my
48:33
Speaker 2: pills lawfully tested.
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Speaker 3: I mean, we're not going to even enforce the law
48:36
Speaker 3: about drugs anymore, are we?
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Speaker 14: No? Definitely not. This is happening in Queensland here as well.
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Speaker 22: Labor plus this legislation in the last twelve months, the
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Speaker 22: l and P said that we're going to roll it back,
48:48
Speaker 22: and already they're wavering on that decision here in queens
48:51
Speaker 22: and I can't believe victorious the state of You've got.
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Speaker 14: Injecting rooms and now pill testing.
48:57
Speaker 22: It just sends are really really blurry message to those
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Speaker 22: poor parents.
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Speaker 14: Who are trying to go out there and educate their kids.
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Speaker 22: The drugs are bad and yet you've got authorities on
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Speaker 22: the other hand, say no, no, no, kids, don't listen,
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Speaker 22: Mum and Dad come to us, will test them for
49:12
Speaker 22: you and we'll tell you whether or not they're safe
49:14
Speaker 22: or not. It's a really bad message. I think the
49:17
Speaker 22: majority of people think this is bad news. If you're
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Speaker 22: going to have pill testing, let's remove the coppers from
49:22
Speaker 22: these festivals.
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Speaker 14: But also remove the ambulance.
49:26
Speaker 22: If you want to play Russian roulette with your life,
49:27
Speaker 22: you don't deserve to take the resources of ambulance officers
49:31
Speaker 22: away from people who desperately need their services.
49:37
Speaker 3: Just quickly.
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Speaker 2: I mean, we watch what's happened in Queensland. I'm thrilled
49:42
Speaker 2: to see the government say the parliament's coming back, we're
49:45
Speaker 2: going to get on with our commitments. We're going to
49:46
Speaker 2: get these laws passed on your crime by the end
49:49
Speaker 2: of the year.
49:51
Speaker 3: When you change the government, you want to see changed,
49:53
Speaker 3: don't you.
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Speaker 22: Well they've got to clear mandate here in Queensland, so
49:58
Speaker 22: the opportunity for change is the I would say to
50:01
Speaker 22: David chris fully though, don't go down the same route
50:04
Speaker 22: you did prior to well last time you're in government,
50:07
Speaker 22: because that's what upset so many Queensland is it was
50:11
Speaker 22: too hard, too fast, so they've got four years to
50:15
Speaker 22: prove themselves.
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Speaker 3: All right.
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Speaker 2: Some beautiful rain there in Queensland. I leave you both,
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Speaker 2: thank you for your time, thank you for you coumpany.
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Speaker 2: See you all next week, have a lovely weekend. He's
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Speaker 2: Andrew Boult.