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Opposition Leader Lia Finocchiaro says an inquiry into the NT Police Force is urgently needed despite the Chief Minister calling it a talk fest · 360 with Katie Woolf

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  Speaker 1: And as I said, we know that the Chief Minister,
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  Speaker 1: Natasha files Will she fired some of you right up
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  Speaker 1: yesterday when we interviewed her on the show and asked
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  Speaker 1: about the recent results to the Northern Territory Police Association survey.
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  Speaker 1: So the Chief Minister has ruled out any kind of
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  Speaker 1: review into the police force and has confirmed that she
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  Speaker 1: still has confidence in her Police Minister and also the
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  Speaker 1: Northern Territory Police Commissioner, despite the recent results from the
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  Speaker 1: association's survey. Now joining me on the show is the
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  Speaker 1: Opposition leader Leah Fanocchiaro. Good morning to you.
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  Speaker 2: Leah, Good morning Katian to your listeners.
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  Speaker 1: Now, Leah, more than twelve hundred respondents, that's about three
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  Speaker 1: quarters of its membership. The survey also found that ninety
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  Speaker 1: seven percent of police did not feel supported by the
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  Speaker 1: Northern Territory government. Leah, what do you think that this
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  Speaker 1: survey says about the concerns within the police force.
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  Speaker 3: It very clearly shows a crisis in our police force
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  Speaker 3: and unfortunately that has been the case for a very
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  Speaker 3: long time. We know from the results who received last
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  Speaker 3: year's from a very survey of a similar number of police,
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  Speaker 3: that there is a total lack of confidence, low morale,
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  Speaker 3: that they don't feel the government supports them, and that
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  Speaker 3: they don't feel there's enough police. And yet in response
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  Speaker 3: to last year's survey, we've seen no tangible action from
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  Speaker 3: this government to make any improvements. And of course the
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  Speaker 3: survey results that came out last week just reinforce the
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  Speaker 3: crisis that is there. When you have ninety seven percent
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  Speaker 3: of our police believing there aren't enough police and that
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  Speaker 3: the government doesn't support them, that presents an untenable position
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  Speaker 3: for the Government of the day because Lauren, order underpins
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  Speaker 3: a society, a community, and we need to be supporting
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  Speaker 3: our police who go out and support us every day,
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  Speaker 3: and this government has clearly turned their back.
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  Speaker 1: The Chief Minister revealed on the show yesterday that there
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  Speaker 1: are hundreds of officers on sick leave right now. She
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  Speaker 1: wouldn't tell us the exact number. But what's your reaction
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  Speaker 1: to that.
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  Speaker 3: Well, it's hugely alarming and of course unsurprising. Now last
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  Speaker 3: year we knew in May the government received to report
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  Speaker 3: into health and wellbeing of our police and they have
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  Speaker 3: not made that public. We have tried five times in Parliament, Katie,
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  Speaker 3: to have an inquiry examining this very issue which goes
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  Speaker 3: to the core wellbeing of our force, and the government
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  Speaker 3: is failing to be transparent with territories about what it's
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  Speaker 3: doing to address this issue. Now, our police are being
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  Speaker 3: asked to do more with less, They're being put in
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  Speaker 3: dangerous situations, the violent nature of crime is increasing, the
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  Speaker 3: level of crime is increasing, and yet they feel more
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  Speaker 3: and more disempowered through the government's watering down of laws,
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  Speaker 3: through the government's you know, lack of support and understanding
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  Speaker 3: of this situation, or even the lack of the government's
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  Speaker 3: will to try and address this issue. So it's a
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  Speaker 3: terrible situation and for the government to just simply say, oh,
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  Speaker 3: there's a few hundred police on sickly without addressing that
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  Speaker 3: issue is truly shocking.
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  Speaker 4: Leah.
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  Speaker 1: They say the Northern Territory government and the Chiefiness to
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  Speaker 1: set on the show yesterday that they are doing the
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  Speaker 1: hard grinding work that is required to ensure that you know,
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  Speaker 1: that police are able to do what they need to
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  Speaker 1: do and conduct the work that they need to get underway.
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  Speaker 1: But I mean, you came out really strong about this
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  Speaker 1: on Friday saying that the Chief Minister needs to sack
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  Speaker 1: the Police Minister. Why do you think that that needs
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  Speaker 1: to happen if they are doing the hard grinding work
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  Speaker 1: that they say they are.
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  Speaker 3: Well, Natasha Farles is great at slogans, but not great
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  Speaker 3: on delivery, and ultimately territories would judge her on her actions,
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  Speaker 3: not her words. I mean her predecessor, Michael Gunner was
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  Speaker 3: throwing kitchen sinks at things and now she's doing hard
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  Speaker 3: grinding work. Well that's great, but the reality is you
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  Speaker 3: have a failed government with a foiled police minister who
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  Speaker 3: has not shown the commitment or done the hard yeahards
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  Speaker 3: or whatever saying they've got around addressing this police crisis.
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  Speaker 3: The crisis was there when Kate Warden became the police minister.
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  Speaker 3: She inherited that crisis from Nicole Madison. She has failed
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  Speaker 3: to be able to hold an inquiry, do the important
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  Speaker 3: work that needs to be done so that we can
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  Speaker 3: support our police, and ultimately that all happens under Natasha
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  Speaker 3: Farles's leadership. So they urgently need to call an inquiry.
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  Speaker 3: This work needs to be done. The last one was.
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  Speaker 2: Eleven years ago.
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  Speaker 3: And they also need to show a very comprehensive legislative
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  Speaker 3: plan to Territorians and our police on how they're going
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  Speaker 3: to start protecting people and supporting our police to do
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  Speaker 3: their jobs rather than supporting the offender.
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  Speaker 1: Now, just on the inquiry that you've called for as well,
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  Speaker 1: calling for that immediate inquiry into our police force, is
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  Speaker 1: that something that police are telling you that they want
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  Speaker 1: right now?
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  Speaker 3: Absolutely, and the Northern Territory Police Association equally have been
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  Speaker 3: calling for this for a really long time. Like I said,
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  Speaker 3: we've tried five times in Parliament to call an inquiry.
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  Speaker 2: It's well overdue.
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  Speaker 3: The last one was the O'Sullivan Review, which examines all
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  Speaker 3: sorts of things around resourcing, how to best deploy your
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  Speaker 3: police force, what supports are required.
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  Speaker 2: It's very comprehensive and it's incredibly.
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  Speaker 3: Disrespectful for Natasha Files to call that a talk fest,
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  Speaker 3: especially coming from her, which seems to be all she does.
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  Speaker 3: And this is not just some silly report that's going
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  Speaker 3: to sit on a shelf. This is something that needs
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  Speaker 3: to be forensically examined and then implemented because what will
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  Speaker 3: be you know, if our police force all pack up
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  Speaker 3: and go Katie, which eighty five percent have said they've
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  Speaker 3: thought of leaving in the last six to twelve months,
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  Speaker 3: what is left for us.
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  Speaker 4: Well, we'll be bugget.
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  Speaker 1: We'll be absolutely bugged if we end up with that
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  Speaker 1: volume of our Northern Territory police wanting to leave. And
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  Speaker 1: I do think that there is some serious work that
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  Speaker 1: obviously needs to happen here when you've got the results
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  Speaker 1: that we had seen into that Police Association survey. I
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  Speaker 1: mean to play Devil's advocate though, Leah, are you just
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  Speaker 1: trying to muck rag here to really then use that
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  Speaker 1: report for your own political mileage?
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  Speaker 3: Katie, This is beyond politics. This is literally the foundation
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  Speaker 3: of our society being crumbled and eroded and left to
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  Speaker 3: crumble and a roade I mean the government and isn't
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  Speaker 3: even trying to pull the pieces back together. It's almost
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  Speaker 3: like this is all part of their grand plan of
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  Speaker 3: hard work and grind or whatever they say.
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  Speaker 2: It's just it's beyond a joke. It's beyond politics. This
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  Speaker 2: is urgent.
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  Speaker 3: And at Cristi's point, we have eighty five percent of
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  Speaker 3: our police looking to work to rule, which means doing
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  Speaker 3: no overtime, not putting in any extra hours like they
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  Speaker 3: normally would. Eighty five percent are looking to leave. We
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  Speaker 3: have an eleven percent attrition rate, which often means we
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  Speaker 3: have probationary constables, so brand new coppers partnered with brand
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  Speaker 3: new coppers out on our streets tackling the most violent
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  Speaker 3: and heinous of crimes.
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  Speaker 2: That's a risk to them as well.
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  Speaker 3: They're not having the opportunity to then be supported by
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  Speaker 3: more senior police. It is debilitating on every level. And
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  Speaker 3: for the government to stand by and watch this falling
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  Speaker 3: apart before its very eyes, despite the cries and the
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  Speaker 3: pleas from our police, is heartbreaking. And you know, as
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  Speaker 3: a proud territory in Katie, I just I honestly don't
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  Speaker 3: know what it's going to take for these this government
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  Speaker 3: to do something.
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  Speaker 1: Leah, you've obviously said that you think that the Northern
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  Speaker 1: Territory Police Minister Kate Warden needs to go.
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  Speaker 4: I don't you know.
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  Speaker 1: It'll I guess it'll be interesting to see whether our
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  Speaker 1: listeners agree or disagree with that, but we have certainly
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  Speaker 1: had some listeners get in contact with us this morning.
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  Speaker 4: Son, Good morning, Katie.
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  Speaker 1: Would you please ask Leafanocchiaro why she's calling for the
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  Speaker 1: sacking of Minister Warden but not the police commissioner.
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  Speaker 3: Yet, Because ultimately leadership comes from the top, and Kate
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  Speaker 3: Warden is the responsible minister, she should be dealing with
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  Speaker 3: the disconnect between rank and file and the police executive.
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  Speaker 3: We have, as part of our calls for an inquiry
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  Speaker 3: been very clear that as part of that inquiry needs
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  Speaker 3: to be a shoe cause of the police Commissioner and
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  Speaker 3: his executive around what is going on in the force
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  Speaker 3: and what they're doing to respond to these really shocking statistics.
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  Speaker 3: But ultimately that leadership has to come from the Government
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  Speaker 3: of the day. And if Kate Warden's not doing what
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  Speaker 3: it takes to sort health and well being, mental health attrition,
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  Speaker 3: just the lawlessness plaguing in the territory, then the buck
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  Speaker 3: stops with her.
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  Speaker 1: Leah, what laws would you, if you were the chief Minister,
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  Speaker 1: would you be introducing to strengthen that support for our
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  Speaker 1: police force. Because it is something that you've mentioned a
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  Speaker 1: couple of times. I think that our listeners want to
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  Speaker 1: know exactly what you're referring to so that they can
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  Speaker 1: get a better idea of how you'd support the police.
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  Speaker 3: Yep, I can give you a handful, which is just
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  Speaker 3: some there's many. Basically, we want to strengthen mandatory sentencing
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  Speaker 3: for assaults on police and any worker. So if you're
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  Speaker 3: at work right now listening. We want to strengthen laws
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  Speaker 3: to protect our police and protect you, and in fact,
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  Speaker 3: we tried to do that last year and government voted
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  Speaker 3: us down. We would lower the age of criminal responsibility
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  Speaker 3: so that people under the age of twit between ten
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  Speaker 3: and twelve can be held responsible for their crimes. We
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  Speaker 3: would stop the revolving door of bail by making sure
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  Speaker 3: that if you are a repeat offender, you do not
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  Speaker 3: enjoy have having bail go in your favor. There's only
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  Speaker 3: so many chances you get to destroy people's lives in
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  Speaker 3: my u k D.
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  Speaker 2: We would bring back mandatory sentencing.
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  Speaker 3: Of course, last year the government abolished mandatory sentencing for
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  Speaker 3: violent offenses. You know, this is in a long line
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  Speaker 3: of other reform that needs to take place. But ultimately
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  Speaker 3: we need to give back power to our police. You know,
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  Speaker 3: we've got legislation at the moment where we want to
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  Speaker 3: give police more power to deal with problem drunks. Our
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  Speaker 3: police are very skilled people. They need discretion to be
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  Speaker 3: able to deal with situations as they arise. And ultimately,
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  Speaker 3: we as a community have a standard and that standard
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  Speaker 3: needs to be met and set, and ultimately the lawlessness
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  Speaker 3: is destroying our lives, our lifestyles, and people are leaving
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  Speaker 3: because of it.
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  Speaker 1: Lea, have you got evidence to support that these changes
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  Speaker 1: would actually make a difference.
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  Speaker 3: Well, what they do is make police feel like they're supported.
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  Speaker 3: It gives them more tools in their toolbox. It sends
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  Speaker 3: a very clear message of deterrence and a message from
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  Speaker 3: the community saying this is the standard of behavior we
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  Speaker 3: accept and this is the consequence if you breach those standards.
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  Speaker 3: And ultimately it's about sending a very clear message to
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  Speaker 3: offenders that you better think twice under a Finocchiaro led
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  Speaker 3: to CLP government.
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  Speaker 1: Well, I do want to ask so, I mean with
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  Speaker 1: some of those with mandatory sentencing, for example, in some situations,
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  Speaker 1: the jail is busting at the scene, so where are
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  Speaker 1: they going to go?
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  Speaker 2: Well, that is a great question, Katie.
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  Speaker 3: And isn't it sad that we've got our prisons overflowing
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  Speaker 3: and yet there are so many criminals who aren't being
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  Speaker 3: held to account.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, that's how bad crime's gotten under labor.
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  Speaker 3: We have forty percent higher crime rates now than we
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  Speaker 3: had under the previous COLP government. And so when Natasha
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  Speaker 3: Files talks about increasing the police budget by thirty percent,
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  Speaker 3: that's not even matching the increase in crime over her
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  Speaker 3: time in government. So you know, ultimately we know that
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  Speaker 3: if you continue to break the law and destroy people's lives,
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  Speaker 3: then you should end up in prison.
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  Speaker 2: That's a very sad fact.
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  Speaker 3: What we do with people in incarceration is an exciting
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  Speaker 3: opportunity though, and that's why our policy platform around providing
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  Speaker 3: people with education and support whilst in correctional facilities will
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  Speaker 3: hopefully then drive down that repeat offending so that people
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  Speaker 3: aren't ending back in prison over and over again.
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  Speaker 1: Leah. Another topic that I do want to ask you about,
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  Speaker 1: just very briefly, Tiger Brennan Overpass. It's been revealed to
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  Speaker 1: the ABC reporting this morning that there's been quite a.
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  Speaker 4: Major cost blowout.
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  Speaker 1: Originally was set to cost sixty one point five million dollars,
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  Speaker 1: is my understanding that's born out well last May to
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  Speaker 1: one hundred and ten million is what they were reporting
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  Speaker 1: last November that cost was at one hundred and twenty
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  Speaker 1: seven point eight million. Then again my understanding is that
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  Speaker 1: it's now estimated to cost one hundred and sixty five
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  Speaker 1: to one hundred and sixty nine million dollars. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: what is your reaction to that blowout.
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  Speaker 3: Well, one hundred million dollar blowout is not a small
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  Speaker 3: figure Kadian, but it's unsurprising, I mean evil law. There
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  Speaker 3: is the Infrastructure Minister and the Treasurer, and she famously
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  Speaker 3: and repeatedly stands in Parliament and says sometimes projects go over,
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  Speaker 3: sometimes they go under. I mean that is literally words
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  Speaker 3: coming from her mouth. That is her attitude to spending
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  Speaker 3: taxpayers dollars and it's unacceptable. I mean that overpass is key,
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  Speaker 3: it's going to be a fantastic and is a fantastic project.
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  Speaker 3: But to what costs and what justification is government providing
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  Speaker 3: for a one hundred million dollar blowout.
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  Speaker 1: I know that we caught up last week with Dennis Stedman,
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  Speaker 1: who is the bilocal advocate here in the Northern Territory,
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  Speaker 1: and he had raised some concerns about those blowouts with
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  Speaker 1: various projects. Now I don't want to verbal him because
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  Speaker 1: I can't remember his exact words, but I know that
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  Speaker 1: it isn't something that's you know, that's a one off.
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  Speaker 1: There are blowouts, yes, you know, quite often with major projects,
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  Speaker 1: and for a lot of reasons we all understand, you know,
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  Speaker 1: there can be cost of material goes up that kind
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  Speaker 1: of thing. But do you think that we need to
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  Speaker 1: be looking at having you know, a position within government
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  Speaker 1: or an external and into peace position that is maybe
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  Speaker 1: able to oversee some of these different projects, major projects.
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  Speaker 1: May just spending of taxpayers dollars looking at projects to
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  Speaker 1: ensure that we are not seeing money wasted if that
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  Speaker 1: is happening, or money spent frivolously on some of these projects.
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  Speaker 4: And those massive blowouts, well.
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  Speaker 3: We do see significant blowouts under just about every project
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  Speaker 3: this government delivers. And I think it shows again that
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  Speaker 3: lack of leadership from the top. If you have a
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  Speaker 3: treasurer and infrastructure minister who shrugs her shoulders and says,
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  Speaker 3: sometimes projects go over, sometimes they go under, it's little
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  Speaker 3: wonder then that they do blow over and in epic proportions. Ultimately,
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  Speaker 3: what we need is a government that spends taxpayers dollars responsibly.
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  Speaker 3: Now everyone can understand sometimes as a project variation or
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  Speaker 3: sometimes you know, you find as best us and that
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  Speaker 3: requires more remedial cost, or you know, other things like that.
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  Speaker 3: But ultimately, at what point does the government have to
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  Speaker 3: justify the blowout and the spend. And I think it
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  Speaker 3: harks back to planning. You know what is the government
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  Speaker 3: doing to be able to make sure that we've adequately
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  Speaker 3: supported our departments to be doing the detailed planning that
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  Speaker 3: is required of these projects so that we do have
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  Speaker 3: a true understanding of the cost and can properly program
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  Speaker 3: our infrastructure to meet the demand of the community and
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  Speaker 3: also our budgetary constraints.
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  Speaker 1: So could there be something some you know, some kind
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  Speaker 1: of oversight or something done to ensure that we are
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  Speaker 1: able to adequately manage some of those different different projects
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  Speaker 1: but also those different contractors, to try to make sure
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  Speaker 1: that this isn't happening.
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  Speaker 3: Well, that is meant to be the Treasurer's job, Katie,
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  Speaker 3: and the Infrastructure Minister's job, and clearly it's just another
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  Speaker 3: arm of this government that is failing and letting.
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  Speaker 2: The community down.
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  Speaker 3: We do have an Order to General, so she does
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  Speaker 3: a fantastic job and provides a report four times a
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  Speaker 3: year around government spending and how that is going.
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  Speaker 2: Whether there's a requirement for.
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  Speaker 3: Additional oversight, you know, that's absolutely something that could be
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  Speaker 3: looked at. But I think, you know, we try often
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  Speaker 3: because of how terrible this government is to on new
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  Speaker 3: bodies of oversight, when really, if this government just performed
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  Speaker 3: at the level they promised territories to perform at we
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  Speaker 3: wouldn't have these issues.
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  Speaker 2: It's a failure at the top.
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  Speaker 3: And that's why we're moving our motion of no confidence
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  Speaker 3: next month, because they can't even govern the basics anymore.
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  Speaker 2: Katie, it's all fallen apart.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, some listening, we'll be thinking, Lea, you're being
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  Speaker 1: a bit unfair there. You know, of course blow out
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  Speaker 1: all the time with different projects.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, they do, but one hundred million dollars and of
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  Speaker 3: course the track record isn't good. And off the back
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  Speaker 3: of a government that's delivered a nine billion dollar debt.
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  Speaker 3: When they came to government it was one point eight billion.
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  Speaker 3: And look around you where you're sitting right now, look
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  Speaker 3: around and try and think up even one billion dollars
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  Speaker 3: worth of additional benefit to the territory under this government
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  Speaker 3: for the nine billion dollars debt, our children will be
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  Speaker 3: will be suffering under for many, many decades. It's not
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  Speaker 3: acceptable and ultimately there needs to be greater transparency from
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  Speaker 3: government around why that spend is blowing out.
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  Speaker 1: Leah Finocchiaro, we are going to have to wrap up
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  Speaker 1: before I do though. Last day of feb Fish, Oh,
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  Speaker 1: the cops didn't catch me unless you got all these
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  Speaker 1: steps lined up that you're not adding in.
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  Speaker 2: We were gunning for you this year, Katie. I think
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  Speaker 2: we're still number two on the ladder.
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  Speaker 3: I haven't checked this morning, but yep, COLP Opposition Fighting
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  Speaker 3: Fit Wears step in our hearts out trying to knock
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  Speaker 3: off the mixed team. But you might have just got
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  Speaker 3: overline again this Yukdi.
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  Speaker 1: It was because we ended up with a bit of
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  Speaker 1: an army of walkers. We've got like forty six members
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  Speaker 1: of our team, so when you average that out, it's
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  Speaker 1: not too much.
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  Speaker 4: Very well.
• 16:31
  Speaker 3: Yeah, well next year, everyone register for CLP Opposition Team.
• 16:34
  Speaker 3: Let's take Katie out. Let's show them they better be
• 16:37
  Speaker 3: stepping a bit more.
• 16:40
  Speaker 1: Thanks so much for your time this morning, much appreciated.
• 16:42
  Speaker 2: Take care everyone,