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Police Find Dead Mother In Daughter's Garage · The conspiracy

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  Speaker 1: She did in here.
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  Speaker 2: I mean she's in there. Oh, she's in there.
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  Speaker 3: I'm gonna character.
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  Speaker 4: Police apartment, Police apartment.
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  Speaker 5: Oh, how's it going, are you Patricia?
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  Speaker 2: No?
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  Speaker 6: This is fifty year old Carol Ray. She lives with
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  Speaker 6: her mother, Patricia, and her three year old daughter.
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  Speaker 7: Is Patricia here?
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  Speaker 8: No, she's not here, Okay, I'm just asking because someone
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  Speaker 8: was worried they didn't know where she was at John.
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  Speaker 7: And him and her were having a little relative a
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  Speaker 7: bit of money. He's been trying to pull over twenty
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  Speaker 7: four hours now. I ga her the message yesterday.
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  Speaker 6: This made sense to the cops. Carol's mother, Patricia didn't
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  Speaker 6: want to deal with her greedy grandson and decided to
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  Speaker 6: move out and ignore him. Really, that's what Carol claimed,
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  Speaker 6: because at this point police are completely unaware of the
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  Speaker 6: horrifying secrets that lie just feet away from them inside
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  Speaker 6: the house. And over the course of the next few days,
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  Speaker 6: this simple missing person's report would turn into, hands down,
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  Speaker 6: the most gruesome and disturbing case that they had ever
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  Speaker 6: worked on.
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  Speaker 9: And then I get a text message from Carol, Carol's mom.
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  Speaker 9: But it doesn't read like Carol's mom was.
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  Speaker 3: Just texting me.
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  Speaker 5: I again Okay, to my house again.
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  Speaker 10: It's clear that you're not telling us the truth. Where
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  Speaker 10: is she at?
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  Speaker 3: Carold?
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  Speaker 6: Following the interaction with Carol the previous night, John would
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  Speaker 6: call the police again, slowly becoming more concerned that something
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  Speaker 6: had happened to Patricia. So at eleven am on January
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  Speaker 6: twenty second, officers would arrive at Carol's house for a
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  Speaker 6: second time with the intend to find a conclusive answer
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  Speaker 6: to John's worries.
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  Speaker 4: Grandma's Patricia, Mom?
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  Speaker 11: Is Carol?
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  Speaker 2: Hi?
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  Speaker 5: Are you Carol?
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  Speaker 7: It's Patricia here?
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  Speaker 8: She's not she's getting her be twelve shove or something
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  Speaker 8: like that with doctors.
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  Speaker 5: Positive.
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  Speaker 4: It's not written down anywhere in here.
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  Speaker 7: Maybe No. She wreaks down and was back in to young.
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  Speaker 3: Younger. This a little girl.
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  Speaker 5: This is my daughter?
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  Speaker 12: Else her granddaughter?
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  Speaker 13: Does she live here with you?
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  Speaker 7: Yeah?
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  Speaker 5: Your grandma or mom?
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  Speaker 8: Sorry, yeah, she's been staying her at her sister's house
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  Speaker 8: for a couple of a couple of days.
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  Speaker 5: Because you just get.
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  Speaker 7: Diagnosed with the wan got home from the hospital. I
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  Speaker 7: have a diverticulated state ruption.
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  Speaker 4: Okay, So so she's back here though, staying here primarily
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  Speaker 4: now both I mean, all of her clothes and everything
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  Speaker 4: are here.
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  Speaker 11: She came by yesterday and she was.
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  Speaker 14: Here less last night, but night before last, and she
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  Speaker 14: was here yesterday for until about five pm and picked
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  Speaker 14: up her medications and the fresh change of clothes and
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  Speaker 14: stuff like that.
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  Speaker 3: Okay.
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  Speaker 7: On the reason we're here is because your children.
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  Speaker 5: Are concerned about your grandma.
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  Speaker 8: My son John, Yeah, he sent you guys over last night,
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  Speaker 8: which I kind of acted my mother about when she
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  Speaker 8: hit a fifth and he was going to go down.
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  Speaker 7: So there's a good police department today about it.
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  Speaker 8: Well, there's a little bit of a financial money issue
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  Speaker 8: between my mother and my oldest son John, and he
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  Speaker 8: brows alone.
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  Speaker 7: One doesn't repay it. He's got a truck in the backyard.
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  Speaker 7: She bought him a card she brought them took back
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  Speaker 7: because he won't pay the insurance of it. So my
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  Speaker 7: mom is a very phoenicky woman.
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  Speaker 15: So she got me.
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  Speaker 7: I see about them now.
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  Speaker 15: Problem I god damn ready to call him.
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  Speaker 7: I got things to take care of right, Okay, okay, okay.
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  Speaker 7: I said She's sixty nine this year.
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  Speaker 6: Based on Carol's story, Patricia is back living at her
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  Speaker 6: house and is currently at the doctor's office getting a
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  Speaker 6: monthly shot. Everything lines up. Patricia temporarily stopped communicating with
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  Speaker 6: John due to a financial dispute. However, John, being a
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  Speaker 6: caring grandchild, got worried something more sinister was at play.
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  Speaker 6: It seems like it was just miscommunication. However, officers decide
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  Speaker 6: to get all of Patricia's information and check her room
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  Speaker 6: just to ensure nothing's off.
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  Speaker 4: All right, here, it's.
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  Speaker 7: Very fat here.
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  Speaker 5: Can we just look at it again?
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  Speaker 7: You were closing and everything.
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  Speaker 14: I'm sorry, baby's rooms was the last one on the right,
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  Speaker 14: the first one on the left. Here.
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  Speaker 8: Don't let Nally sleep in this bedroom, subs Gramma Bee
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  Speaker 8: spends and I read. Okay, every stuff done, Our calls
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  Speaker 8: are in there.
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  Speaker 7: Is right there. I'll first close that she just watched.
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  Speaker 13: Okay, all right, we're good.
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  Speaker 4: We get the call, you know, and then there's one
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  Speaker 4: side of the story, and.
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  Speaker 7: Then there's the others.
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  Speaker 5: He's got everyone.
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  Speaker 7: Worked out, like he said, he might call.
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  Speaker 13: Someone else might call.
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  Speaker 4: And you don't want to show an up peer a
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  Speaker 4: million times, so we want to see you're in person.
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  Speaker 13: Hey, you're fine.
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  Speaker 5: That's all we need to do.
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  Speaker 16: Okay, all right, all right, thank you, you're welcome.
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  Speaker 13: Have a good day.
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  Speaker 6: The officers have one simple task to wrap this case up.
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  Speaker 6: Simply confirm Patricia is okay with their own eyes. To
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  Speaker 6: do this, Officer Pelt decides to call the doctor's office
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  Speaker 6: where Patricia is apparently being treated. However, the call doesn't
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  Speaker 6: go as planned.
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  Speaker 16: From cardiality, You're not going to help you, Hi, this
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  Speaker 16: is Officer Pelt with the Roseville Police Department. I'm just
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  Speaker 16: calling because I believe you have a patient in your
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  Speaker 16: office by the name of Patricia Bennett, and she has
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  Speaker 16: some family members that are concerned about her and are
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  Speaker 16: trying to just make sure she's there.
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  Speaker 17: Nope, she's not hear her. Actually, they might have got
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  Speaker 17: the date mixed up. Her appointment is February the thirteenth.
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  Speaker 17: I'm gonna go ahead and ask a couple of my
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  Speaker 17: colleagues just to make sure, like did you come here
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  Speaker 17: or anything like that.
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  Speaker 16: I'm planning and coming there.
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  Speaker 18: Nope, she's not.
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  Speaker 7: Supposed to be in today.
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  Speaker 17: Nobody's seeing what you had a come in yet or
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  Speaker 17: anything like that. But we can watch out and contact you.
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  Speaker 6: Suddenly things are starting to miss align. John insists that
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  Speaker 6: he thinks Patricia is missing and now the only person
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  Speaker 6: living with her is lying about her current location. Something
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  Speaker 6: is definitely not adding up, so officers decide to speak
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  Speaker 6: to John again to further investigate the strange situation.
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  Speaker 5: I just don't get why my grandma make her Facebook
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  Speaker 5: post saying she's at home.
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  Speaker 3: You guys show up, she's not.
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  Speaker 19: There, and then as soon as you pulled away as
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  Speaker 19: she takes in my dad.
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  Speaker 13: That there maybe other circumstances that we're not aware of
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  Speaker 13: with the family's not aware of. So what was your
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  Speaker 13: expectation is that this woman here is your mother, is
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  Speaker 13: hiding your grandmother from you for what raised her month
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  Speaker 13: she's trying to take the money from her that you
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  Speaker 13: think the title Okay, I don't know. You know your
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  Speaker 13: grandmother what our grandma raised raised you? Okay, Okay, so
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  Speaker 13: generally yes, I'm really.
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  Speaker 5: Right, Okay, moms never.
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  Speaker 19: Ran in her life, and that just am not going
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  Speaker 19: to be her asked away and she's like or hopefully
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  Speaker 19: she's just hiding her because she's sick and my grandma's
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  Speaker 19: I really have a pissed off grandma, then I'm missing alright.
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  Speaker 13: Well, if she's dead, then I mean, if she's got
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  Speaker 13: the body hiding somewhere or it's done away with her
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  Speaker 13: I mean, and then it's trying to collect so security
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  Speaker 13: or whatever she receives. I mean, it takes some effort.
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  Speaker 3: My grandma has fraunctionally, uh has.
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  Speaker 2: When was it a couple of years ago?
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  Speaker 13: A couple years ago?
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  Speaker 5: Okay?
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  Speaker 13: And what happened to those charges?
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  Speaker 5: I think my grandma decided, So it's not assuthe them. Okay,
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  Speaker 5: A like Pa would lock her up because as her
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  Speaker 5: daught her.
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  Speaker 19: But I'm not trying to get her in chillable. Why
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  Speaker 19: would she keep lying a line and line? But so
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  Speaker 19: that's why I'm thinking that nothing's hiding enough.
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  Speaker 13: My grandma just texted me I again, okay, just to
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  Speaker 13: my house again.
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  Speaker 6: Oh, my Grandma's not at thoms John's claims are frankly terrifying.
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  Speaker 6: Not only does he suspect his mother of stealing from
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  Speaker 6: Patricia and using her money, but he thinks she may
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  Speaker 6: have even murdered her. Accusing your own mother of committing
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  Speaker 6: such a terrible act is something officers need to take seriously. However,
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  Speaker 6: there's no evidence to suggest that Carol had even harmed Patricia,
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  Speaker 6: let alone killed her, so these claims feel drastic, unfounded,
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  Speaker 6: and premature. Officer Jerrebik seems to have felt these claims
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  Speaker 6: were over the top as well, so he would lead
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  Speaker 6: John to the station to file a missing person's report. Additionally,
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  Speaker 6: he wants to learn about John's history with Carol and
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  Speaker 6: why he thinks she may have killed Patricia. Alongside John
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  Speaker 6: would be Carol's ex husband TJ, who claimed to have
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  Speaker 6: important information that could help solve the cakes.
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  Speaker 3: Who's gonna record you and I?
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  Speaker 20: All right, all right, so when did you physically last
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  Speaker 20: see your grandmother.
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  Speaker 3: Eye to eye?
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  Speaker 20: Probably after Halloween beginning November before I went to North Carolina.
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  Speaker 20: I came back from North Carolina Thanksgiving, so then here
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  Speaker 20: went there on Christmas dinner here and then calling her
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  Speaker 20: and asking her to call me. I need to hear
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  Speaker 20: your voice, or have my mom have you call me.
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  Speaker 20: I need to hear your voice, or I'm gonna do
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  Speaker 20: well for a check. I threatened that a couple of
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  Speaker 20: weeks ago.
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  Speaker 13: All right, yesterday, I just cracked.
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  Speaker 21: The final call, and now you haven't had any voice
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  Speaker 21: yet contact whe her since then?
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  Speaker 20: Giving texted me off her phone or off her Facebook.
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  Speaker 22: I know it's not her, just because the words they use.
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  Speaker 23: Is not how my grandma thoughts.
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  Speaker 13: When was the last time you saw Carol.
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  Speaker 5: I saw Carol period, not Carol Patricia. Oh okay, every
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  Speaker 5: time I drop my daughter. Yeah yeah, yeah, like Patria Tricia.
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  Speaker 9: Contact with Patricia, yes, yeah, it was on the Halloween time.
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  Speaker 9: I did receive one text message the other day stating
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  Speaker 9: that she was sorry for holding up Carol. Carol and
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  Speaker 9: my daughter were supposed to hang out because it was
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  Speaker 9: my birthday this weekend game. I'm fifty clock, so I Textedi,
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  Speaker 9: what's going on?
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  Speaker 5: You know it's my birthday.
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  Speaker 9: It was supposed to be celebrating and double you.
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  Speaker 21: Carol and Alison are supposed to be celebrating on Sunday,
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  Speaker 21: your birthday, right.
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  Speaker 9: And then I get a text message from Carol, Carol's mom,
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  Speaker 9: but it doesn't read like Carol's mom, but it says,
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  Speaker 9: so I am holding her up signing over the cars
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  Speaker 9: and giving her title to house and insurance stuff so
• 10:35
  Speaker 9: she cab get that stuff. Find Monday gets kind of
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  Speaker 9: when Carol types, so a lot of times it comes
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  Speaker 9: up kind of misspelled. It's because she has her glasses
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  Speaker 9: and stuff like that.
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  Speaker 5: The only contact that you've had with her was from
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  Speaker 5: a random message, and she said that she was with
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  Speaker 5: my hand.
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  Speaker 13: So I did some research.
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  Speaker 20: I went there today and spoke. She had spoken my
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  Speaker 20: grandma's in twenty fifteen.
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  Speaker 6: Remember how Carol said that Patricia moved over to live
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  Speaker 6: at her sister's house. Is Patricia here? No, she's not here.
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  Speaker 6: John visited that house and Patricia's sister claimed that she
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  Speaker 6: hasn't seen Patricia in over five years.
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  Speaker 20: And she was menaging me today while we were there
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  Speaker 20: with the cops seeing that she was home and messaging
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  Speaker 20: my dad that she was home when we know she
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  Speaker 20: wasn't there. Because the cops are thing my dad's greenshot
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  Speaker 20: and mom sending those messages.
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  Speaker 3: Okay, can you email those two?
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  Speaker 9: One thing I do know, And I mean in this
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  Speaker 9: type of situation, I would hope it's more true than
• 11:33
  Speaker 9: it is the other is I I mean, I I've
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  Speaker 9: known Carrol since up in twenty I mean, like bold face,
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  Speaker 9: like you can show her like here's a picture of
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  Speaker 9: you and a half, here's a picture of.
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  Speaker 13: You doing this, and Sami.
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  Speaker 9: I mean, she's always been a chronic, chronic liar, especially
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  Speaker 9: when she's off her meds. She because she does take
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  Speaker 9: lots of medicine longer than I I think when we
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  Speaker 9: were together.
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  Speaker 20: I mean you.
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  Speaker 9: I'm sure you her list of medicines that she was taken,
• 12:01
  Speaker 9: but I guess she lost she lost her therapist, so
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  Speaker 9: she has not had medicine for the last couple of months,
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  Speaker 9: and when that happens, things get kind of walking with her.
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  Speaker 20: Many other conversations are then calling the house phone, social media,
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  Speaker 20: off of a messenger, calling her that, texting her nothing.
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  Speaker 20: And then on twelfth of January, my mom texted me
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  Speaker 20: off her phone saying Grandma be sleeping getting over Mona here.
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  Speaker 20: I was like, hey, I have her call me. I
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  Speaker 20: need to hear her voice. She never does this. She
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  Speaker 20: always calls me and there's no response.
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  Speaker 6: These interviews helped clarify why John would go as far
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  Speaker 6: as saying Carol had killed Patricia. She's been lying to
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  Speaker 6: them for months. Nobody's been able to see or speak
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  Speaker 6: to Patricia, and she happens to have a decent surplus
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  Speaker 6: of cash that the family has been pulling from. And remember,
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  Speaker 6: on top of all of that, Carol lied to police
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  Speaker 6: about Patricia's whereabouts at the doctor's office. The evidence makes
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  Speaker 6: it abundantly clear that Carol is not telling the truth
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  Speaker 6: and trying to hide something, and it's likely something horrifying,
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  Speaker 6: So please try and visit her house a third and
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  Speaker 6: final time. But this time they are leaving without answers.
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  Speaker 7: Again, is she here now?
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  Speaker 24: No, she's not Aliver Kencer Institute eating her beat Well shock,
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  Speaker 24: I'm sorry, I don't mean me grapy with you.
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  Speaker 25: But where is she at.
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  Speaker 16: The doctor's office that you told us she when she's
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  Speaker 16: not there.
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  Speaker 14: Which cardiovascular is where she goes doctor to Posmis who
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  Speaker 14: treats her specific white blood cell cancer, not the white
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  Speaker 14: blood self.
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  Speaker 16: You said she was at Wood's cardiovascular because she doesn't.
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  Speaker 14: Want to.
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  Speaker 13: Callous foeting complicting information.
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  Speaker 5: From It's a nice boon, thank you.
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  Speaker 7: Where she's been treated, Yeah, it's where she's been treated
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  Speaker 7: for a long time.
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  Speaker 13: With that she get there there her sister driver or
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  Speaker 13: driver you didn't drive her today?
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  Speaker 7: So today and sometimes running across the street.
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  Speaker 13: How did she get there today?
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  Speaker 3: Though?
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  Speaker 13: I believe her sister, her sister, the sister that lives
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  Speaker 13: in Warren. Yes, okay, but you don't have your sister's number.
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  Speaker 15: I don't talk with me.
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  Speaker 7: Well, last night she stayed over there. When the officer
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  Speaker 7: came here, she did not speak directly to her. You
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  Speaker 7: spoke to me okay, because she was at She was here, yes,
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  Speaker 7: right before last. Is that your pa? She was here, yes,
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  Speaker 7: when I just hate you, but you guys are upsetting
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  Speaker 7: and potter and you're upsetting me upset. That's funny because
• 14:47
  Speaker 7: you don't hear what she when she leaps.
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  Speaker 8: I just went through a.
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  Speaker 7: Really bad domestic time. It's the worst situation. And CPS
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  Speaker 7: left my book.
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  Speaker 3: We're not here.
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  Speaker 15: That's not what we're here for.
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  Speaker 7: We're here to find out if your mom's okay. We
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  Speaker 7: got them a bunch of people who are concerned about her,
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  Speaker 7: and no one seems to know.
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  Speaker 26: My son's father, my son and his brother, which he's
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  Speaker 26: got his brother on high alert now, which his brother's
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  Speaker 26: wife was just here yesterday morning long my mom was
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  Speaker 26: laying on the couch to pick.
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  Speaker 7: Up two hundred dollars to do her tabs to the
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  Speaker 7: car for my son's car. Okay, yeah, well, I mean.
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  Speaker 15: I can show you my daughter.
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  Speaker 7: She's telling everyone she's here, she's currently here, she's coming
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  Speaker 7: back here because she just called.
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  Speaker 15: She just called. Why don't you call her right.
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  Speaker 7: Now while we're here.
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  Speaker 13: And she's on her way, then Charlie will be able
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  Speaker 13: to resolve this.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, you can see.
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  Speaker 7: I'm actually Oh, you want to put on a speakerphone.
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  Speaker 7: Will she answer you?
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  Speaker 2: I don't know.
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  Speaker 15: She went up to get her beats.
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  Speaker 6: Notice the drastic change in Carol's demeanor when she was
• 16:01
  Speaker 6: directly asked to call Patricia. She's no longer deflecting, but
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  Speaker 6: rather soft spoken and deliver it with her choice of words.
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  Speaker 6: Pay attention to Carol's body language as she's asked more
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  Speaker 6: of these direct questions.
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  Speaker 7: And when she's supposed to be calling John, because John's one.
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  Speaker 5: That started this.
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  Speaker 8: Three four nights ago, threatening to call if she didn't
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  Speaker 8: talk to him. Yeah, if she didn't talk to him
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  Speaker 8: by noon the next day. I had her call before
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  Speaker 8: she went to Santa's book.
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  Speaker 15: It was possible.
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  Speaker 7: It was forty eleven fifty.
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  Speaker 13: Is it possible that she could just speak to John.
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  Speaker 2: Directly?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, like faith to faith, so that they're at eight
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  Speaker 4: when you want to call her again, just concerned.
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  Speaker 7: I'm sorry she was talking. You were talking from with ringing.
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  Speaker 13: What did you say? Why can't your mother directly speak
• 16:59
  Speaker 13: to John, not through a message, not through text?
• 17:02
  Speaker 3: She can.
• 17:03
  Speaker 7: I don't have nothing to do with her in John though.
• 17:05
  Speaker 5: Well, that's why I'm getting stuck in the middle of it.
• 17:09
  Speaker 4: Are we we have to figure we have to see her.
• 17:11
  Speaker 7: You're going to just try to call her again. What's
• 17:14
  Speaker 7: the doctor's office she's at. No, the Weber Answer Center
• 17:20
  Speaker 7: is behind McComb Hospital.
• 17:23
  Speaker 6: Coincidentally, Officer Pelts would call this doctor's office, and yet
• 17:26
  Speaker 6: again Patricia was nowhere to be found. Officer pelt knew
• 17:31
  Speaker 6: something was off and decided to call in Detective Jerabeks
• 17:34
  Speaker 6: to question Carol officially and confront her about her growing
• 17:37
  Speaker 6: list of lies.
• 17:41
  Speaker 27: If this son does go down here, when she starts
• 17:43
  Speaker 27: making any emissions, let's stop.
• 17:45
  Speaker 3: Get her to the station.
• 17:47
  Speaker 5: We'll do a search onm whatever we have to do
• 17:49
  Speaker 5: for that holle.
• 17:50
  Speaker 28: But if she's starting to do it, can send a
• 17:51
  Speaker 28: search first, so you can gather in at the house first.
• 17:56
  Speaker 5: Yet, let me go through that to go through the.
• 18:03
  Speaker 3: Check the park.
• 18:04
  Speaker 2: I just went through the house.
• 18:05
  Speaker 27: Get no sun off.
• 18:07
  Speaker 11: She's she's at her great.
• 18:09
  Speaker 1: Okay, she's Detective Gary Wicks. So we're gonna, I mean,
• 18:21
  Speaker 1: if you don't mind, we'll.
• 18:22
  Speaker 11: Get consent from you to search the house to see
• 18:24
  Speaker 11: if there's anything that would lead us.
• 18:26
  Speaker 5: To think of who she may have went with.
• 18:27
  Speaker 3: Help you all figure out where she is playing.
• 18:30
  Speaker 5: She didn't. She didn't tell you who otherwise, right.
• 18:32
  Speaker 3: If you're the shes be with her sister, that's what
• 18:36
  Speaker 3: she told you.
• 18:37
  Speaker 15: Who lives in the house, my mom and for her?
• 18:42
  Speaker 5: Has she done this in the past, doesn't tell me
• 18:45
  Speaker 5: what you were, she what she does and your when
• 18:48
  Speaker 5: your son seem pretty concerned that she was in.
• 18:52
  Speaker 3: John, Yeah, but she tells you that she's with your sister.
• 18:57
  Speaker 7: Concern that's got me worried that or even aggravation and.
• 19:01
  Speaker 11: Not answering her phone calls the people that she says
• 19:03
  Speaker 11: she's wish she's not.
• 19:05
  Speaker 3: That's kind of strange, because.
• 19:08
  Speaker 18: I won't feel right if I leave this house without
• 19:10
  Speaker 18: looking for anything once in the right direction. I want
• 19:13
  Speaker 18: to do my job properly and make sure that and
• 19:16
  Speaker 18: I guarantee when she walks back in the door and
• 19:19
  Speaker 18: she finds out that I searched for her through her
• 19:21
  Speaker 18: stuff to help to try to find her finding, be
• 19:23
  Speaker 18: okay with her, because that's what most people will be
• 19:25
  Speaker 18: okay with.
• 19:26
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 19:26
  Speaker 15: I'll open up.
• 19:27
  Speaker 7: Her federal door so you can see her stuff or whatever.
• 19:30
  Speaker 3: I'll lack of power for.
• 19:31
  Speaker 7: You so you can look at it and whatever or
• 19:33
  Speaker 7: whatever you want to do. I don't want to sign
• 19:35
  Speaker 7: anything and get in trouble.
• 19:36
  Speaker 3: Okay, over closed, okay.
• 19:41
  Speaker 13: And your mom left that she take like a toothbrush,
• 19:43
  Speaker 13: a bag of clothes, like she would spend the night anywhere.
• 19:47
  Speaker 5: She's a person.
• 19:50
  Speaker 11: Yeah, does she normally seek over people's house.
• 19:52
  Speaker 5: Without Well, she does, she did this time. She has
• 19:57
  Speaker 5: in the pants, she does.
• 20:00
  Speaker 3: She's doing issues.
• 20:02
  Speaker 8: Yeh.
• 20:04
  Speaker 11: What I'm saying is that that's also when we're looking
• 20:06
  Speaker 11: at from me being missing.
• 20:07
  Speaker 22: It's concerning because anything can happen. When she said skid,
• 20:11
  Speaker 22: she's got she's had a stroke already, me and her son.
• 20:14
  Speaker 3: She's she's.
• 20:17
  Speaker 2: Oh, the.
• 20:19
  Speaker 5: Very concerning.
• 20:20
  Speaker 11: I'm trying to I'm more concerned.
• 20:24
  Speaker 7: I am concerned.
• 20:26
  Speaker 24: I just I've talked to her and see her in
• 20:28
  Speaker 24: this is twenty four forty eight hours and because she's
• 20:33
  Speaker 24: lied to me about talking to me, and I don't
• 20:36
  Speaker 24: know why she would do that.
• 20:38
  Speaker 13: I mean, we're concerned because your mom.
• 20:40
  Speaker 21: Your mom left, but she didn't even pack a bag
• 20:42
  Speaker 21: to go, you know, overnight.
• 20:44
  Speaker 7: She probably won't even when she came out to my trailer.
• 20:46
  Speaker 21: That I was modeling, whoa so for like an overnight
• 20:50
  Speaker 21: you don't pack like a just a toothbrush, a change
• 20:53
  Speaker 21: of clothes, underwear, many teeth.
• 20:55
  Speaker 5: Obviously, something's going on here.
• 20:58
  Speaker 15: We're really serve them. Something's going on. We need to
• 21:02
  Speaker 15: start crash.
• 21:03
  Speaker 5: And we need to tell you. We need you to
• 21:06
  Speaker 5: tell us exactly what I happened.
• 21:07
  Speaker 11: Your story, your story through very quickly.
• 21:11
  Speaker 5: You're extremely nervous.
• 21:13
  Speaker 24: Well, yeah, I had the police here Landslie.
• 21:15
  Speaker 5: Today, Carl.
• 21:17
  Speaker 10: Obviously something probably happened to your mother, right, you know
• 21:22
  Speaker 10: something that you're not telling us. That's that's apparent to us.
• 21:28
  Speaker 10: We're we're trained investigators. We know when something's not right,
• 21:32
  Speaker 10: and something isn't right. You have many people outside of
• 21:37
  Speaker 10: you that are concerned about your mother's whereabouts.
• 21:42
  Speaker 5: Where is she at, Carol?
• 21:44
  Speaker 7: I don't know because she honestly this sentence, she told
• 21:48
  Speaker 7: me she left here.
• 21:49
  Speaker 6: The detectives haven't cracked Carol yet, but they're extremely close.
• 21:53
  Speaker 6: If they can get verbal consent to search the property,
• 21:56
  Speaker 6: they may be able to find clues to further solve
• 21:59
  Speaker 6: the case or get Carol to reveal more information.
• 22:02
  Speaker 11: Right, listen to me, you're lying a lot. Okay, I'm
• 22:08
  Speaker 11: now at a point where I don't believe anything you're saying, Okay,
• 22:12
  Speaker 11: I've now confirmed another part of your story that's wrong.
• 22:15
  Speaker 5: So you need to come clean.
• 22:16
  Speaker 11: Now, let me know where your mother's at, if she's
• 22:18
  Speaker 11: in this house or in your garage, that she passed
• 22:21
  Speaker 11: away from natural causes or whatever it is, and you
• 22:24
  Speaker 11: didn't want to do anything because maybe you needed some
• 22:26
  Speaker 11: extra money for social Security or whatever it is.
• 22:29
  Speaker 10: We can get through it.
• 22:30
  Speaker 11: But right now, what you're doing is you're hiding somebody
• 22:33
  Speaker 11: who's possibly dead. Okay, not Carol. She hasn't been in
• 22:37
  Speaker 11: this house in two months.
• 22:39
  Speaker 3: Three months.
• 22:40
  Speaker 7: She's got thirty clothes in the laundry room. She's got
• 22:44
  Speaker 7: three clothes hanging right there.
• 22:46
  Speaker 11: That's that's neither here nor there.
• 22:50
  Speaker 15: I mean, what what's going on?
• 22:53
  Speaker 11: What's going on in your life that we have to
• 22:55
  Speaker 11: be going through. Yeah, that's odd because she left for
• 22:58
  Speaker 11: the night. Wouldn't you want to brush her hair in the.
• 23:01
  Speaker 6: Carol was caught lying through her teeth multiple times. However,
• 23:06
  Speaker 6: despite all of that, detectives couldn't get the consent to
• 23:09
  Speaker 6: search her property. This leaves them in a tough situation.
• 23:12
  Speaker 6: It's clear Carol is lying and hiding Patricia's whereabouts, but
• 23:16
  Speaker 6: with no solid evidence. They can't be certain of Carol's
• 23:19
  Speaker 6: involvement in the disappearance, But luckily, the police had a
• 23:22
  Speaker 6: trick in mind involving Carroll's current boyfriend, Ricky. Since Ricky
• 23:27
  Speaker 6: has been living in the house with Carol, he has
• 23:29
  Speaker 6: the authority to give consent to areas of mutual access
• 23:32
  Speaker 6: in this situation, that allows officers to search the majority
• 23:36
  Speaker 6: of the property despite Carol's objection to the search. As
• 23:39
  Speaker 6: long as Ricky doesn't have any involvement in Patricia's disappearance,
• 23:43
  Speaker 6: he would have no reason to object to a search
• 23:45
  Speaker 6: of the property.
• 23:45
  Speaker 23: Hey, how you doing, sir, Not too bady, Ricky, Okay,
• 23:51
  Speaker 23: step back, there's some release attactives want to talk with you, detectives.
• 23:55
  Speaker 17: Yeah, that's gonna look, they'll talk with you.
• 24:01
  Speaker 21: The last time you saw Patricia, like physically saw her
• 24:06
  Speaker 21: in person, physically saw her, It's probably good about the money.
• 24:10
  Speaker 21: Would you mind coming to the station with us? So
• 24:12
  Speaker 21: we're gonna sit there and talk. It's well, we're trying
• 24:17
  Speaker 21: to find a lot of find Patricia, but we're getting a.
• 24:20
  Speaker 11: Lot of her sister's house. No how long ag I mean,
• 24:26
  Speaker 11: she's lied on me?
• 24:28
  Speaker 5: Who's lie on you?
• 24:30
  Speaker 11: Like Carol.
• 24:34
  Speaker 2: Yeah, because she's the one that told me that she
• 24:36
  Speaker 2: was at her sister's house.
• 24:37
  Speaker 6: Thankfully, it seems as though Ricky has no idea of
• 24:40
  Speaker 6: the crimes. More importantly, he would agree to a search
• 24:43
  Speaker 6: of the property, granting them access to most of the home.
• 24:46
  Speaker 6: If they discover anything serious, they'll need a search warrant
• 24:48
  Speaker 6: to investigate it further, but a cursory look around the
• 24:51
  Speaker 6: property is now fully legal. They begin by searching her
• 24:55
  Speaker 6: backyard and cars.
• 25:04
  Speaker 2: Hell, huh, what's be married.
• 25:38
  Speaker 6: After coming up empty in the backyard, they checked the
• 25:41
  Speaker 6: last remaining spot, Carol's garage.
• 25:46
  Speaker 2: Boyfriend's here.
• 25:53
  Speaker 3: I just want to look up here. You open that
• 26:05
  Speaker 3: in here? I mean.
• 26:09
  Speaker 22: All right, bloody powels, they're in here. It's all She's
• 26:14
  Speaker 22: in there, she's in there.
• 26:19
  Speaker 2: Hold On, I don't know, hold on, I don't know.
• 26:22
  Speaker 29: I'm not just.
• 26:26
  Speaker 2: Nah, I don't he's looking.
• 26:28
  Speaker 22: He's looking at nothing. I think we I opened up
• 26:31
  Speaker 22: that graven and it's full of bloody towels. It stinks
• 26:34
  Speaker 22: like a dead body.
• 26:39
  Speaker 5: H mm hmm, yeah, apparent for what if it's in there,
• 26:54
  Speaker 5: if the search if there's sorry, yeah.
• 27:03
  Speaker 17: Where.
• 27:05
  Speaker 2: Okay?
• 27:09
  Speaker 22: Somebody said he was back here?
• 27:11
  Speaker 3: But he needs everybody.
• 27:14
  Speaker 5: That's a friend.
• 27:15
  Speaker 2: You just showed up and they were looking for the.
• 27:22
  Speaker 16: Time.
• 27:25
  Speaker 22: I just opened up a big plastic storage bin and
• 27:29
  Speaker 22: smelled really bad. It was full of blood and towels
• 27:32
  Speaker 22: and you can see a body in there.
• 27:34
  Speaker 2: So that's kind of where we're at. What everybody was saying.
• 27:40
  Speaker 22: People, the brothers, they needed to find out what they
• 27:42
  Speaker 22: were telling officers because they were saying, he was like
• 27:44
  Speaker 22: in the back back there yesterday and was coming and going.
• 27:48
  Speaker 5: Somebody still moisture on the top of that.
• 27:52
  Speaker 3: I opened it and there's still moisture on the top,
• 27:54
  Speaker 3: so that's not been in there long.
• 27:56
  Speaker 2: And they were somebody, we got to talk to you
• 27:58
  Speaker 2: over there.
• 27:59
  Speaker 22: They said, yeah, you know, the door was opened yesterday
• 28:01
  Speaker 22: and he was coming and woman and then all of
• 28:03
  Speaker 22: a sudden his car was gone.
• 28:05
  Speaker 2: This Dudel.
• 28:13
  Speaker 6: Not only had they found Patricia's deceased body in the
• 28:16
  Speaker 6: storage bin, but the body still wasn't dry, meaning the
• 28:20
  Speaker 6: murder couldn't have been more than two months ago, as
• 28:22
  Speaker 6: John originally suspected. This terrifying scene couldn't have made the
• 28:27
  Speaker 6: truth more clear. Carol Ray had killed her mother and
• 28:30
  Speaker 6: had been covering it up for weeks. However, she may
• 28:34
  Speaker 6: not have been the only one involved in this. Ricky
• 28:36
  Speaker 6: had been staying at the house for months now, and
• 28:39
  Speaker 6: the cops believe he had to have known about the
• 28:41
  Speaker 6: murder if he'd been living beside it the entire time.
• 28:44
  Speaker 6: With this in mind, police placed Carol under arrest immediately
• 28:47
  Speaker 6: and detained Ricky too.
• 28:49
  Speaker 5: Carol, think you know where we're going, But.
• 29:00
  Speaker 3: I think about what you need to tell us a bit.
• 29:06
  Speaker 29: I might have my knights on.
• 29:08
  Speaker 2: Me over there.
• 29:10
  Speaker 6: Following Carolyn Ricky's arrest, both would sit in a jail
• 29:13
  Speaker 6: cell while they waited for detectives to arrive at the station.
• 29:16
  Speaker 6: Multiple hours later, they would bring Carol in for her
• 29:19
  Speaker 6: first interrogation.
• 29:23
  Speaker 30: Obviously, Carol, we're here to talkey about what's going on here. Further,
• 29:27
  Speaker 30: you have to keep rolling further. It's going to get
• 29:31
  Speaker 30: without you being able to, you know, shed some light
• 29:34
  Speaker 30: on this, okay.
• 29:35
  Speaker 6: The goal for this interrogation is not to get Carol
• 29:38
  Speaker 6: to confess, because she obviously did it, but to determine
• 29:42
  Speaker 6: a motive and figure out if Ricky was also involved.
• 29:47
  Speaker 15: It comes out from something because I'm just.
• 29:56
  Speaker 3: Ex do you explain the truth? Listen, I will come
• 30:00
  Speaker 3: out as the truth.
• 30:02
  Speaker 7: I don't believe.
• 30:03
  Speaker 30: I'm not going to give you advice, but if you
• 30:05
  Speaker 30: want to tell your story, you can tell it how
• 30:07
  Speaker 30: it is.
• 30:09
  Speaker 3: I don't ask any questions.
• 30:10
  Speaker 31: If you want to get it out, you can do
• 30:12
  Speaker 31: that the same time once I tell you're right, if
• 30:15
  Speaker 31: you don't want to talk, you don't have to talk.
• 30:20
  Speaker 3: Like we're sleeping between.
• 30:23
  Speaker 7: One A little story in the morning and I heard
• 30:27
  Speaker 7: loud baby my daughter, and I.
• 30:29
  Speaker 3: Was shopping in my.
• 30:31
  Speaker 25: Couch anyway, it was a big crash, and I was
• 30:36
  Speaker 25: like the one just breaking through the glass, but don't
• 30:39
  Speaker 25: breaking down the door, and a little brand that were
• 30:43
  Speaker 25: running down the floe and had my training figure on
• 30:45
  Speaker 25: the trader.
• 30:46
  Speaker 15: I can give you which I went, not running for
• 30:48
  Speaker 15: a fucking mado and I didn't put my right foot.
• 30:58
  Speaker 3: Feeling and.
• 31:02
  Speaker 7: Show breas older than I heard early.
• 31:07
  Speaker 32: On the floor, broke the little windows, something like a
• 31:19
  Speaker 32: huge low crash.
• 31:22
  Speaker 6: If a suspect is highly emotional when we're calling an event,
• 31:25
  Speaker 6: they will often have trouble remembering certain details in that moment.
• 31:29
  Speaker 6: You'll often notice the suspect unable to form full sentences
• 31:32
  Speaker 6: and stuttering in their speech. But Carol shows none of this,
• 31:36
  Speaker 6: While crying, she manages to form a detailed timeline of
• 31:40
  Speaker 6: how she killed Patricia. This implies that her story of
• 31:43
  Speaker 6: events may be inaccurate and the murder wasn't a mistake
• 31:46
  Speaker 6: like she claims. Now that they've heard it. However, the
• 31:49
  Speaker 6: detectives would be able to search for evidence that explicitly
• 31:52
  Speaker 6: countered this story, and that didn't take them long at all.
• 31:55
  Speaker 6: The very next day, they brought Carol back out of
• 31:58
  Speaker 6: her cell and into the interrogation room again. Throughout this interview,
• 32:02
  Speaker 6: see if you can spot the information that the detectives
• 32:04
  Speaker 6: found specifically for this conversation and watch how they use
• 32:08
  Speaker 6: it to break her story apart going.
• 32:10
  Speaker 33: On what you said yesterday, I know you're walking down
• 32:13
  Speaker 33: the hallway, you're noise in the hand.
• 32:18
  Speaker 3: The rigger, you walking the owls or fairy tripps. You're
• 32:23
  Speaker 3: the gun. Use your on the trigger and the gun
• 32:25
  Speaker 3: went correct. Your leading the saut and they dropped.
• 32:56
  Speaker 6: The cops are clearly trying to come across this understanding
• 32:59
  Speaker 6: and compassionate Carol, But if their main goal was to
• 33:01
  Speaker 6: make her feel comfortable, they wouldn't have sat her in
• 33:04
  Speaker 6: the corner of the room and position themselves between her
• 33:07
  Speaker 6: and the door. They want to eventually make her feel
• 33:10
  Speaker 6: so cornered and pressured that she lets go of the truth.
• 33:13
  Speaker 6: So for now, this nice guy demeanor is a complete
• 33:16
  Speaker 6: act for the detective to build report as he tries
• 33:19
  Speaker 6: to get her to talk as much as possible.
• 33:22
  Speaker 3: So, after that happened, obviously you've found your mom. I'm
• 33:28
  Speaker 3: going to container never rotch.
• 33:31
  Speaker 31: Well, obviously kind of understand how she got there, But
• 33:35
  Speaker 31: you're gonna explain to me because.
• 33:36
  Speaker 3: To me, it seems that you're back and everything that
• 33:38
  Speaker 3: you could do this by herself. So can you walk
• 33:42
  Speaker 3: me through.
• 33:42
  Speaker 34: I understand obviously panic everything you're freaking out and that
• 33:48
  Speaker 34: you want right and so.
• 33:53
  Speaker 3: He was waking up. Kind of walk me through the
• 33:55
  Speaker 3: minute after all that happened. Let me there at night.
• 34:05
  Speaker 3: I don't have to give them in.
• 34:10
  Speaker 6: Remember, an important part of this interrogation was to figure
• 34:13
  Speaker 6: out if Carol's boyfriend Ricky was also involved to any extent.
• 34:17
  Speaker 6: At the moment, Carol is claiming that he wasn't on
• 34:20
  Speaker 6: the scene at all, as they'd recently had a number
• 34:22
  Speaker 6: of arguments. The cops would have a chance to interview
• 34:24
  Speaker 6: him later on, but for now, there's one question regarding
• 34:28
  Speaker 6: him that they just can't seem to get their heads around.
• 34:34
  Speaker 3: He wasn't there was the baby waiting. Now what happened?
• 34:42
  Speaker 3: And your mom on coach?
• 34:48
  Speaker 29: Okay, I.
• 34:58
  Speaker 3: Don't understand.
• 35:00
  Speaker 34: For obviously we're operating in the panic, right, I mean,
• 35:06
  Speaker 34: I can picture myself in a situation panic.
• 35:08
  Speaker 3: You ever taught her there? Where did you? When? Where
• 35:11
  Speaker 3: did you more? From the house to where first? In
• 35:16
  Speaker 3: the garage? She looked anywhere before the girlage?
• 35:22
  Speaker 34: So this is where I think, this is where I'm
• 35:25
  Speaker 34: concern good mom, and I think this is a part
• 35:29
  Speaker 34: detail to get prove it, to keep.
• 35:31
  Speaker 3: Up your mom, there's no leader. How did you do
• 35:35
  Speaker 3: that by yourself and having help you both? Are you
• 35:45
  Speaker 3: afraid to tell us you're afraid of Ricky? You don't
• 35:49
  Speaker 3: have you afraid of?
• 35:53
  Speaker 6: Harold remains completely silent for almost thirty seconds after she
• 35:57
  Speaker 6: was asked this question. The cops are right to assume
• 36:00
  Speaker 6: that she's scared, but it might not be for the reasons.
• 36:03
  Speaker 3: They think.
• 36:04
  Speaker 6: She could be scared of Ricky and the consequences of
• 36:07
  Speaker 6: implicating him in the crime, but she could also be
• 36:10
  Speaker 6: terrified of the situation she's in. She's going to jail
• 36:13
  Speaker 6: for a very long time. There's no escaping that anymore,
• 36:16
  Speaker 6: and that's a scary reality for her. Whatever the reason is, though,
• 36:20
  Speaker 6: the cops are still doing their best to give her
• 36:22
  Speaker 6: a moral excuse or justification for what she did, so
• 36:25
  Speaker 6: she'll talk a little more. She panicked, and anyone would
• 36:29
  Speaker 6: have done the same. The best thing she can do
• 36:31
  Speaker 6: to make things right is to tell them exactly what happened.
• 36:35
  Speaker 5: I mean that all people can it?
• 36:38
  Speaker 31: People lay the same, Yeah, I mean you know, you
• 36:41
  Speaker 31: know what happens to your self, and that you know
• 36:44
  Speaker 31: when you flee from an accident, you know all the turns.
• 36:48
  Speaker 34: From panic right fresh and they smashed so far and
• 36:53
  Speaker 34: they take off dying. They hear them on the news
• 36:57
  Speaker 34: and then there's the line keeps going and they're like, shit,
• 37:00
  Speaker 34: I shouldn't.
• 37:00
  Speaker 3: Say it, but I didn't write that. You stink that
• 37:03
  Speaker 3: you made should have? I don't think proves anything. I
• 37:06
  Speaker 3: have to How did you get the tone? Is it
• 37:12
  Speaker 3: possible to wounded?
• 37:14
  Speaker 6: The cops are really focusing on Carol's inability to physically
• 37:17
  Speaker 6: move Patricia to the garage. As to them, it was
• 37:21
  Speaker 6: a clear sign that somebody else had to be involved.
• 37:24
  Speaker 6: But at this point, they're not getting anywhere. Unfortunately, this
• 37:27
  Speaker 6: isn't conclusive enough evidence to implicate anyone else, and it's
• 37:31
  Speaker 6: not getting Carol to talk. But that's okay because the
• 37:34
  Speaker 6: detectives have one piece of evidence that they've been saving
• 37:37
  Speaker 6: for this very moment that could prove without a doubt
• 37:41
  Speaker 6: that everything Carol said so far has been a total lie.
• 37:46
  Speaker 17: To bring up is.
• 37:52
  Speaker 3: And they follow some.
• 37:56
  Speaker 34: Three cults, not our old Scarbon, actual fresh cultural as for.
• 38:05
  Speaker 3: You know, h m hmm, ever anything after the fa
• 38:14
  Speaker 3: not that you were killing her, but you know what
• 38:16
  Speaker 3: I'm saying. I'm saying I.
• 38:19
  Speaker 34: Don't maybe grow out from these reaption was suffering or
• 38:23
  Speaker 34: anything like that, because here's what I don't want to
• 38:31
  Speaker 34: get caught that once.
• 38:33
  Speaker 3: They tell us exactly how deep they were. If it
• 38:36
  Speaker 3: was an it could be brilliant. Yeah, we have to
• 38:42
  Speaker 3: get everything out of your house.
• 38:43
  Speaker 15: You can try to do something with those boys that
• 38:46
  Speaker 15: they'll call those ways or anything like that.
• 38:49
  Speaker 3: M So, I would you think right now, what could
• 38:51
  Speaker 3: have possibly can? I don't know what she had touched
• 38:56
  Speaker 3: in or anything like that. It's fresh. Well, the puncture at.
• 39:08
  Speaker 6: The end of the night's there a gun accidentally going
• 39:12
  Speaker 6: off into killing someone unlikely but believable, but two fresh,
• 39:19
  Speaker 6: deep knife wounds that Carol hasn't mentioned a single time,
• 39:23
  Speaker 6: It's going to be extremely hard to explain this one away.
• 39:27
  Speaker 6: Not only does this imply the murder was completely intentional,
• 39:30
  Speaker 6: but the fact that Carol hasn't mentioned it means that
• 39:33
  Speaker 6: she knew that was the case and wanted to try
• 39:36
  Speaker 6: to cover that part up.
• 39:38
  Speaker 3: Again, that one of the words in your mouth.
• 39:41
  Speaker 35: Don't want you to implicate anybody that's implicated, Usually more
• 39:46
  Speaker 35: in trouble. As the investigate and continue to investigate in
• 39:51
  Speaker 35: the days and weeks most to come.
• 39:54
  Speaker 15: More things are going to come out.
• 39:56
  Speaker 3: I'm pretty certain of that break all. Eventually, what happened?
• 40:04
  Speaker 14: And did I.
• 40:09
  Speaker 3: Say too that needs to.
• 40:11
  Speaker 5: Believe that you know?
• 40:12
  Speaker 3: Did you actually not have mistake? Did you actually well,
• 40:21
  Speaker 3: I'm gonna say that I think, I think.
• 40:24
  Speaker 15: Do you understand where when they think you can be answered,
• 40:27
  Speaker 15: I'm not.
• 40:30
  Speaker 3: I'm can I can answer this with what's going back
• 40:32
  Speaker 3: to the country? Did you freak out after you shot
• 40:35
  Speaker 3: her and she was still breathing and point no good heard.
• 40:40
  Speaker 17: Of me like that?
• 40:41
  Speaker 3: Absolutely wouldn't know. Did you maybe you kind of sounds
• 40:48
  Speaker 3: terrible and I like to.
• 40:52
  Speaker 1: Know.
• 40:54
  Speaker 6: At this point, the interrogation has been going on for
• 40:56
  Speaker 6: over an hour, and Carol clearly doesn't intend to deviate
• 41:00
  Speaker 6: from her story. Despite all the new evidence, the detectives
• 41:03
  Speaker 6: are still no closer to obtaining a confession or any
• 41:06
  Speaker 6: information about Ricky from her. So they figured they've gotten
• 41:09
  Speaker 6: no choice but to speak to the man himself. So
• 41:12
  Speaker 6: later that day, they bring Ricky in for an interview
• 41:15
  Speaker 6: of his own and attempts to get the truth out
• 41:17
  Speaker 6: of him, whatever it may be.
• 41:19
  Speaker 15: Do you have any idea what's going on?
• 41:22
  Speaker 3: No, I don't have.
• 41:23
  Speaker 8: No.
• 41:24
  Speaker 12: Somebody at the house at something mount Petty did not
• 41:29
  Speaker 12: intercest herself.
• 41:30
  Speaker 33: Where Carol was telling you.
• 41:32
  Speaker 27: Rich, When was the last time you physically seen Patty?
• 41:36
  Speaker 27: You guys, color Patricia, Yeah, Patty Patricia and Color Patty.
• 41:43
  Speaker 27: I've physically seen.
• 41:44
  Speaker 12: Her about It was like a month and a half
• 41:47
  Speaker 12: dollars before Thanksgiving.
• 41:50
  Speaker 15: How often do you stay at the house or timeless?
• 41:53
  Speaker 12: I mean then there except for all it was like
• 41:56
  Speaker 12: they the ninth home of arnsles See.
• 42:00
  Speaker 15: You've been seeing there every day already.
• 42:03
  Speaker 6: Ricky is being much more open and giving much better
• 42:06
  Speaker 6: answers to all of the detective's questions. He also seems
• 42:09
  Speaker 6: exceedingly calm and as though he's just trying to help
• 42:12
  Speaker 6: the officers out right now, he definitely isn't coming across
• 42:15
  Speaker 6: as a murder accomplice or a blackmailer, but there's still
• 42:18
  Speaker 6: plenty of time for the cops to catch him out.
• 42:21
  Speaker 3: What about Carol? Did she? Does she have a job?
• 42:23
  Speaker 3: She go anywhere? What does she do with most of
• 42:26
  Speaker 3: her days?
• 42:27
  Speaker 12: Most says keeping house and the busy hell doing which
• 42:33
  Speaker 12: she can so some major surgeries?
• 42:37
  Speaker 15: Any financial issues with you or Carol.
• 42:40
  Speaker 3: Or Patty or anything?
• 42:44
  Speaker 15: Welcome Carol to Carol Litts.
• 42:46
  Speaker 3: You know where she had no money too, she's not working.
• 42:49
  Speaker 33: She said she had a swiming fellows them out Carold.
• 42:52
  Speaker 28: Then acting strange or suspicious to you or did friends?
• 42:57
  Speaker 3: She's her soul.
• 43:00
  Speaker 23: I always said that she was the world's greatest at first,
• 43:02
  Speaker 23: because I can't tell when she's being fearing that there's
• 43:07
  Speaker 23: something by over there a lot of her webs. Before
• 43:14
  Speaker 23: I've been telling her, she's been feeling more distant, Ricky.
• 43:17
  Speaker 28: I mean, I don't really necessarily know you obviously, Like
• 43:20
  Speaker 28: it seems pretty nervous to me. What's what's going on
• 43:22
  Speaker 28: is there's something you're nervous about, and I'm nervous. But anyway,
• 43:27
  Speaker 28: where did you sleep nervously? Mostly in the bedroom?
• 43:31
  Speaker 3: Carol? Where did sometimes?
• 43:40
  Speaker 15: Mostly in her bedroom? Let me ask you about the garage?
• 43:44
  Speaker 15: You ever go in the garage?
• 43:45
  Speaker 6: Ye?
• 43:46
  Speaker 5: Ever?
• 43:47
  Speaker 15: You ever when you think you bore in the garage
• 43:50
  Speaker 15: or the criers?
• 43:52
  Speaker 33: Okay, I think we want to go look for a scooter.
• 43:58
  Speaker 33: She's know, And so it was real upper it's been.
• 44:05
  Speaker 3: Did she have you gonna?
• 44:09
  Speaker 6: Compared to Carol's interrogation, this one seems extremely laid back
• 44:13
  Speaker 6: and relaxed. It feels as though there's a big chance
• 44:16
  Speaker 6: Ricky genuinely just doesn't know what's going on. However, the
• 44:19
  Speaker 6: cops do pick up on the facts that he's a
• 44:21
  Speaker 6: little nervous, he's finding it hard to look the detectives
• 44:24
  Speaker 6: in the eyes, and he seems a little soft spoken.
• 44:27
  Speaker 6: So to clear things up fully, they decide to put
• 44:30
  Speaker 6: the pressure on big time to see if he breaks working.
• 44:34
  Speaker 15: We had a problem, Well, we got a real big problem.
• 44:36
  Speaker 29: I think you know what it is, and I think
• 44:39
  Speaker 29: you need to be honest and up front with us
• 44:41
  Speaker 29: to work and give me an opportunity. Now tell us
• 44:44
  Speaker 29: what really happens and what happened what I told you,
• 44:51
  Speaker 29: and then talking about the little.
• 44:53
  Speaker 15: Details we've been asking you. I'm talking about with Ken.
• 44:58
  Speaker 3: She's herself because I know, we know.
• 45:01
  Speaker 29: Patty's seized, Patty's got a gunshot willing to her and
• 45:06
  Speaker 29: she was found in a toad ma garage.
• 45:08
  Speaker 3: Told something, you know, super something more than me.
• 45:13
  Speaker 29: Because here's the thing, Ricky, there's things, there's investigative tools
• 45:17
  Speaker 29: we have. We're going to find out exactly when she died,
• 45:20
  Speaker 29: where you were when she died, which I'm back newer
• 45:24
  Speaker 29: in that house.
• 45:25
  Speaker 15: And you know exactly what happened.
• 45:27
  Speaker 3: No, I mean not Patty.
• 45:33
  Speaker 29: I'm not saying here a problem with it. I'm not
• 45:35
  Speaker 29: saying that at all. I'm saying, you know something I don't.
• 45:41
  Speaker 33: I don't know what happened.
• 45:43
  Speaker 15: I swim.
• 45:44
  Speaker 33: You don't know this woman, this woman peril.
• 45:47
  Speaker 3: She has my head and she has me behind my
• 45:52
  Speaker 3: bag without me knowing about it, knowing. Where I found
• 45:56
  Speaker 3: out about it was tripping over so finding.
• 46:02
  Speaker 15: Her song he felt on her phone and then all
• 46:04
  Speaker 15: of a sudden, among these.
• 46:06
  Speaker 3: Two babies, bossed up on her phone. Why are you
• 46:08
  Speaker 3: with her?
• 46:09
  Speaker 12: Who won this year, try and make things work because
• 46:13
  Speaker 12: a lover of other else and find all.
• 46:18
  Speaker 3: I really do.
• 46:20
  Speaker 6: This is not the reaction a guilty person would give
• 46:22
  Speaker 6: in this position. He's never defensive, and he never gets annoyed.
• 46:25
  Speaker 6: He just tries to explain things exactly as they are.
• 46:28
  Speaker 6: He's not upset that he's been caught. It feels like
• 46:31
  Speaker 6: he's upset that he'd ever be accused of this. He
• 46:33
  Speaker 6: also gave a few pieces of information that could be
• 46:35
  Speaker 6: backed up by the detectives, such as the facts that
• 46:37
  Speaker 6: Carol had been cheating on him and that they'd been
• 46:40
  Speaker 6: in therapy. In just five minutes, detectives went from assuming
• 46:44
  Speaker 6: him to be the main accomplice to completely discounting him
• 46:47
  Speaker 6: as a suspect. Carol, however, completely stayed in the spotlight,
• 46:52
  Speaker 6: and it was eventually assumed that she acted alone and
• 46:55
  Speaker 6: with intent in Patricia's murder. It was determined that Carol
• 46:58
  Speaker 6: killed Patricia all the way way back in November and
• 47:01
  Speaker 6: hid her body for roughly two months before John had
• 47:04
  Speaker 6: caught on to her act. Although Carol never verbally confessed
• 47:07
  Speaker 6: to the crimes, she was charged with first degree murder,
• 47:10
  Speaker 6: felony use of a firearm and larceny of twenty thousand
• 47:13
  Speaker 6: dollars or more. She faces life in prison. Ricky was
• 47:17
  Speaker 6: let go with no charges.