Latest / The Piano Maven with Jed Distler / The "Best" Ravel Gaspard de la nuit?
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- 0:00This is Jed Dissler and welcome to the Piano Maven, your friendly podcast guide to piano
- 0:15recordings.
- 0:16We spoke about Ivo Pogorelich a few episodes back and I wanted to talk about one of his
- 0:23most influential studio recordings.
- 0:26But let me give you a little bit of background about him.
- 0:30He is a Serbian born pianist, born in 1958, and he came to international attention in
- 0:401980 when he was eliminated during that year's Warsaw Chopin competition.
- 0:47And when he was eliminated, one of the jury members, Martha Argerich, resigned in protest
- 0:55and her attitude was something like, how can you not recognize genius when you hear it?
- 1:01And this created a kind of scandal and the news went around the music world like wildfire.
- 1:08You have to remember that this was long before social media and home computers and the internet.
- 1:15Anyway, word got around about this amazingly talented yet understandably controversial
- 1:22and fiercely individual pianist.
- 1:26And Pogorelich really had everything in those days.
- 1:29He had youth, he had great looks, he had nerves of steel, he had a very outspoken personality
- 1:39and also remarkable pianistic ability.
- 1:43I really can't think of a pianist who aroused greater awe and antagonism than Pogorelich.
- 1:51Anyway, Deutsche Grammophon wasted no time putting Pogorelich under contract.
- 1:58He recorded a Chopin recital for his debut solo disc with that label and then his next
- 2:05solo recital was a Schumann disc that had the symphonic etudes and the tacata.
- 2:11The third of his releases came out in 1983.
- 2:16This was a coupling of the Prokofiev Piano Sonata No. 6 and Ravel's Gaspard à la nuit.
- 2:25And it was the Ravel triptych that mainly caught the piano world's attention.
- 2:31Some critics were turned off by certain idiosyncrasies of articulation and phrasing.
- 2:37But then, you know, Pogorelich was every bit as polarizing as Glenn Gould was in some ways.
- 2:44However, over time, the Evo Pogorelich Gaspard à la nuit has come to be regarded as a reference
- 2:53version or at least something very close to the top.
- 2:57This is a recording that several generations of pianists have scrutinized very closely.
- 3:04So I thought it would be interesting to revisit this performance and just to see what's there.
- 3:10Let's take the opening Andine movement's opening figuration, you know, the one, you know, of
- 3:18course I can't sing it.
- 3:20Anyway, many pianists used to play that as a kind of impressionistic blur with more suggestion
- 3:28than definition, I guess.
- 3:30But Pogorelich is crystal clear in how he plays this.
- 3:35But he still manages to convey color and atmosphere.
- 3:39And there are certain times when all of a sudden he releases the pedal and the sound
- 3:46becomes super dry at a moment's notice, almost like a fish jumping out of water for a split
- 3:53second.
- 3:54But the sheer control and the extraordinary textural differentiation that Pogorelich displays
- 4:03throughout this movement always manages to enhance the music's dark undercurrents.
- 4:11Pogorelich also arguably raised the technical bar for that difficult final movement scarbo.
- 4:20Listen to the cutting accents and notice his audacious decisions about when to use the
- 4:28pedal and when not to use the pedal.
- 4:31And these do draw attention to themselves in a way, but they also draw attention to
- 4:38Ravel's very subtle harmonic maneuvering.
- 4:43And I think it's because Pogorelich jacked up the basic tempo more than most pianists
- 4:51had been able to do at that time that many pianists today feel that they have to treat
- 4:58scarbo like some kind of Olympic stunt or a big sprint.
- 5:04You only have to listen to Arturo Benedetti Michelangeli's amazing 1959 BBC broadcast
- 5:11that's been on CD.
- 5:13And you hear a pianist who doesn't try to set speed records, yet every note has a meaning
- 5:18in a place.
- 5:20And the dynamic gradations are precise beyond belief and nothing is garbled at all.
- 5:27Nothing is waywardly balanced or arbitrary.
- 5:31Nothing is vague.
- 5:32And you can say exactly the same for Pogorelich, although he is faster and more capricious
- 5:38than Michelangeli or even Martha Argerich for that matter.
- 5:43But I have heard way too many ridiculously fast and musically harebrained scarbos from
- 5:50competition participants in the last decade or so.
- 5:54I don't know what they're thinking.
- 5:56And it's completely different from Pogorelich where there is really no barrier between intention
- 6:04and execution.
- 6:06But I suspect that it was how Pogorelich played the central movement, les gibets, that mainly
- 6:15ticked a lot of critics off.
- 6:18Many years ago I did this panel discussion with my gramophone colleagues, Bryce Morrison
- 6:23and Jeremy Nicholas, and Bryce was understandably taking issue with the expressive liberties
- 6:31that Pogorelich imposed throughout les gibets.
- 6:37However, I really studied Pogorelich's performance with the score in hand and I made comparisons
- 6:44with other recordings.
- 6:46And I personally think that Pogorelich's way with this movement is generally misunderstood.
- 6:54I think his liberties actually illuminate rather than detract from Ravel's intentions.
- 7:01I'll try to explain what I mean and you can check out these specific examples on the recording.
- 7:09I wish that I could have included recorded examples here, but you know, I can't do that
- 7:14on this podcast.
- 7:15But at least I can guide you toward where to listen and what to look for.
- 7:22So I'm looking in my score of gibets at bars 20 through 25.
- 7:28If you have access to the score, try to take a look at it.
- 7:33And the chiming bass notes in these measures are played by Pogorelich much louder than
- 7:41Ravel marks them.
- 7:43But I think that the effect helps to create a three-dimensional perspective from which
- 7:50one really can perceive the processional-like effect of those gorgeous steady chords in
- 7:59this passage.
- 8:01And let's go to the beginning of the movement actually, because here Pogorelich subjects
- 8:06the main theme to all kinds of little rhythmic distortions and distensions that at first
- 8:14hearing you wonder if he had imported his phrasings from the Liberace Museum.
- 8:21However, over repeated listenings, I finally came to realize that these rhythmic liberties
- 8:29help to illuminate the textural and emotional contrast between the melody, you know, da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da,
- 8:40you know, whatever that is, and those mantra-like repeating B flats, boom-boom, boom-boom.
- 8:47I'm not sure if that's a B flat or not.
- 8:50My perfect pitch is shot to hell.
- 8:54Anyway, these B flats persist very consistently at the same dynamic level throughout the movement.
- 9:01But what I think Pogorelich is trying to do here is to create a quote-unquote expressive
- 9:11frame of reference, because look what happens later in the movement when this theme comes
- 9:18back.
- 9:19That theme, when it comes back, Ravel writes in the score sans expression, I don't think
- 9:30I pronounced that right, without expression.
- 9:33Now he doesn't write sans expression at the movement's outset.
- 9:40So when the theme returns and it's marked without expression, Pogorelich plays it absolutely
- 9:48straight in almost a deadpan neutral kind of way.
- 9:55And because of that, when you hear the melody in the recapitulation, it sounds like something
- 10:01completely different.
- 10:03The melody is now cast in a more desolate light that is further enhanced by Ravel asking
- 10:13you to also use the unacorda pedal.
- 10:17So in other words, Pogorelich is truly orchestrating the music at the piano for maximum meaning
- 10:25and contrast.
- 10:27Now some listeners may insist that, oh, Pogorelich is basically striving for effect.
- 10:34However, in Ravel's music, the surface is very often the style.
- 10:40And as such, in the hands of Ivo Pogorelich, his almost hyper scrutiny of details makes
- 10:50it possible for him to penetrate below that very surface.
- 10:56Now I hope I didn't get too technical in my discussion of this interpretation, but it's
- 11:02something that I really have thought a lot about.
- 11:06And I hope that if you have the score and you can get hold of the recording that you
- 11:12can follow along with what I'm saying.
- 11:15And maybe you will agree with me or maybe not.
- 11:19In any case, this is an absolutely absorbing Gaspardet en Nuit.
- 11:25This is Jed Disler, and you've been listening to the Piano Maven, your friendly podcast
- 11:31guide to piano recordings.
- 11:33Until the next episode, please take care and stay safe.