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Feud: Capote vs. The Swans Recap of Episodes 1 & 2 (Bonus ep) · Drama, Darling: A Real Housewives Comedy Podcast

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Drama, Darling Drama, Darling Drama, Darling. Hello, darlings, it's
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me Ammy Phillips, and here we are to discuss Capoti versus the Swans,
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Ryan Murphy's latest series on FX. And joining me to do that is EMILYE.
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Desis. I am hello. I'm very excited to talk about this little
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I know I was a little worried that it would be a little too friendly
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to Capote Capoti, but I always say Capote. But it's great, it's
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perfect. It humanizes him, and I was a little worried that maybe he
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was going to get like a little bit of a fresh take that would maybe
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eliminate some of his flaws, but not in a Ryan Murphy piece. No,
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I agree. Ryan Murphy's going to give it to you. You know,
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He's going to straight up give it to you the right way and the
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way that we need it, no matter what the story is. But yeah,
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I do feel like it. It seems pretty scandalous. Like watching it,
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it's a scandalous story about a scandalous man, and he's giving it to
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us with a lot of scandal. Yeah, Darling, a lot. Well,
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I mean that that is it. I mean, I've said it before
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I'll say it again, like that's why we kind of love the Housewives.
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And in a lot of ways, I see the Swans is Andy Cohen's Housewives,
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except for its flipped that he has the power and they don't. And
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so I don't think he says I mean he doesn't. He's not like as
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messy as Componi in any way. But in terms of just like putting that
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lifestyle on a pedestal and like letting us like really see behind the gates.
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Yeah, think that that is like the difference is Andy Cohen and Bravo are
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like, no, we are going to tell everybody everything. It turns out
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it doesn't matter. They are fine with it. Yeah, that's so wild.
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I mean, if if you were to compare the two and I know
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that this has been a frequent comparison over the years that people have, you
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know, said about Andy Cohen, and it is very different. I mean
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it's it couldn't be like more flipped because he's not exposing them, He's not
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betraying Andy's not betraying the housewives. Correct. However, I think that the
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housewives will feel in a certain way betrayed by him as a result of their
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time on the show. So when it's time to be on pause, or
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it's time to not be asked back, or it's time to we're going in
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a different direction. You know. They probably feel like they've exploited, they've
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exposed, They've been transparent all these years for what now I'm getting tossed out.
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So there are a lot of similarities on that level where they may feel
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a sense of betrayal. At the end of the day, however, it's
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more of a business and they are putting themselves out there. So there are
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certain things about it that don't have any parallels at all. But it is
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wild to see how this. I don't know much about Truman Capoti and you
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know, so this is an interesting angle on it all. And I suppose
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this series is based on a book, which is this the one that you're
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reading, Capote's Women, a true story of love, betrayal and a swan
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song for an era written by Lawrence Lerner. Oh, I'm sorry, Yeah,
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I don't have my quest. Lawrence lamer Yes, so that. Yeah,
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he's written like other kind of uh, like the Kennedy Men, and
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he's working on one now for like about the Hitchcock Blondes, Like he kind
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of like does these groupings of people and how they all interweave and stuff.
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Wow, he's doing Hitchcock Blonds next. Oh see that one. That one
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will be way up my alley. Okay, I'm a huge Hitchcock Hitchcock fan.
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Okay, wow. Interesting, Yeah, I think like this. And
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then Ryan Murphy's series deviates in terms of like it focuses a little bit more
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on people that I'm not finished book yet. I'm doing the audiobook. It's
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great, but it does focus on some people that aren't maybe highlighted as hard
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in the in the book. So that's also cool. Hm hmm. I
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noticed that a lot of the Swans, as Capoti referred to these New York
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socialite women, that there were probably a lot more than the ones that are
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being focused on in this Ryan Murphy series. Correct, right, Like Jennifer
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Jones, who is That's how like they get invited out on David O.
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Selznick's jet with him and his wife Jennifer, like she was kind of a
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Swan and that's how he got to know babe, and then Jennifer realized she's
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being replaced like in real life. That's how that went down. So there
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was a lot of him playing like chess with these women, Yeah, to
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get to this one in order to get to that one. And right oh
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man, yeah, and I read that he his IQ was like two hundred
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and eighteen or something. Yeah, he was super calculated. The other thing
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is he was never closeted, like he just was like, no, take
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it, this is what it is. So but I think, like I
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think think he he could he easily could stay ahead of people. And then
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he also had to self medicate, I'm sure because his brain was going super
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fast and was always trying to like maneuver people's thoughts, like in Cold Blood
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is pretty messed up when you think about like how he manipulated that story and
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like, you know, people went to prison that shouldn't have probably like I
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think electrocuted, right exactly, Yeah, because like so I think he was
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yeah Mary flawed wild, yeah, wild wild wild. Yeah, he died
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from I mean his liver was obliterated, you know, I mean, yeah,
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no big surprise in Joanne Carson's home Joanne Carson aka Molly Ringwald. Hell
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yeah, I mean that's not in the show yet, but yeah, when
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when But he died right that, Yeah, but that's where he did die.
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So I wonder if he it's not is it that? No? No,
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no, I was gonna say, was it that same dinner party Thanksgiving?
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No, it wasn't because he didn't die for years later. Yeah,
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he died till eighty four. He also people weren't sure if you're overdosed either,
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but like on pills or something accidentally. But yep. And then she
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had his ashes. This is I don't think this is in the book.
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But she had his ashes, Oh my god, stolen like Sutton. Oh,
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like Sutton had merses yea. And so Joanne Woodward had Truman Capote's ashes.
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Yeah, he got stolen at a party. Yeah. And then she's
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got some back somehow maybe. And now they're both entuned in Westwood Cemetery together.
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Really yeah, like it says that. I mean, like you can
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go and visit that mausoleum. It's like a wall unit. Joanne Woodward and
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no, Joanne car I'm sorry, what do I keep saying? Woodward?
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Oh that's what it is. Okay, thank you, thank you, Joanne
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Carson. And I'm already doing it too early into our redcap How dare me?
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Joanne? Okay, got it? So she and Capoti are in the
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same mausoleum. What's left of his ashes? Yeah, got it. And
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then I think some of his ashes are on the East Coast, maybe with
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Jack's ashes, the man that keeps kind of trying to help, you know,
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his first lover, so uh yeah. And also and Sutton's first in
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Barcelona. We'll see some of his ashes being spread next week on Beverly Hills
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in Barcelona. Truman Capote's ashes will be found on Crystal Minkov's back next week.
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Yes, wow, I mean this is like, you know, just
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looking at the casting and then looking at the real people. It is wild
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to see that these are real women, these you know that were in New
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York high society. These are real people. I mean, and you know,
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you made the great point when we were talking about recapping this, which
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is that Lee you know, is Jackie Onassis's sister and is related to Carol
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radziwill law. Yeah, mother in law. It was her mother in law
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because she was that that's closely related. Her son is too. Carol's who
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she is a that was her husband that died. Wow. Wow, Yeah.
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I just thought it was like maybe which is why he was so tight
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with John John, because they were cousins like about same age. Oh wow,
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wow wow, it remains what remains ashes This week is just all about
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the ashes, you know, mrsus ashes and oh just so many, so
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much death anyway, in a lighter note, No, there's no lighter note.
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It's just I have to acknowledge that when I if you're a tear two
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darling and you're watching this, you will see what I got to see when
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I turned on the camera and connected with Emily. But you put on your
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sunglasses? Oh do you have gloves on? I mean I was like,
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Emily loves a bit, Emily loves to dress up, and I should have
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known that she would show up looking like Jackie oh herself, you know,
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Oh my god, love? Oh Amy? Is that you? Yes?
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See in my dark full face sunglasses and my white glove just one glove Michael
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Jackson, the other one high society and by nineteen seventy one piece blouse.
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Love it. So yeah. But I will say that Slim. I don't
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know how much Ryan Murphy's going to get into the backstories, but like Babe
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was like dynamite, gorgeous and like a fashion icon, and so is Slim.
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But on the West Coast, yes, like yeah, I mean,
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you know, yeah, watching this, you're thinking, oh, babe,
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just married wealthy. She was obviously born into money. She stayed in money,
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but she was like a fashion editor at Vogue. Yeah, and them
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was uh yeah slim, Like anything she wore than everybody else copied like the
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next day. That's Diane Lane's character, I mean, the woman she's portraying.
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So like these gals were sticks a dynamite on their own. Yeah,
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I mean, and here's what I have to say about that. Look,
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when you have money, you know what I mean, and you live in
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those areas, you better be the best dressed anyone's ever seen. If you're
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in high society. I mean, that's like your job, So turn it
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out, you know what I mean. Yeah, yeah, I mean,
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And they did that scene of all of them coming down at Thanksgiving was like,
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oh cool, best and it was shot kind of like I mean,
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I did kind of think of housewives a little bit, you know, them
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coming in to an event or to a dinner or you know, yeah,
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just they're all they're kaftans and flowies. It just so cool. It's iconic.
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It's absolutely the fashion, the looks, the hair, the jewelry,
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the acting is phenomenal. I mean Naomi Watts as Barbara Pally. Yeah,
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babe, babe, yeah, incredible. I just love and you've always loved
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her acting, babe. Uh you see babes all, Babe. She's got
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false teeth. She had false teeth since she was like a teenager a car
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accident. Oh the of course, that's fright. Yeah, No, I
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did not put. I saw her when she after she threw up, and
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then I saw the teeth, and I was like, I wonder why they
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showed that. Obviously we're supposed to know that she's got false teeth. So
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well, what Capoti said, you had the car accident and came out better
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than before. Remember he says that to her cheek bones. Yeah, and
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but she had to wear dentures the rest of her life. So every morning
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she put her teeth in quiet like and put a full face and makeup on
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and then like presented herself. Yeah. I mean this whole time that she's
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like doing chemo. I mean, and she's laying in bed sick with cancer,
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full face and makeup, and I don't think that And that's obviously a
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choice. It's not just big because this is being filmed you know, this
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is obviously something that she must have done. And I'm thinking, oh my
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god, Like, if I have a day off, I don't put makeup
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on, you know, I don't. I don't do it. If I
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have a day on, sometimes I don't put makeup on. Like she's she
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and her Yeah, and I'm look at me, look at this hair of
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mine. It's all over the place. Listen, darlings, But do you
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notice too, Naomi Watts she I know that she's also from Australia, and
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sometimes she talks like her mouth forms words like Nicole Kidman's does. I was
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like, because sometimes it like I don't know what it is. Figure it's
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an Australian in a American accent. Yeah, she lets it slip here and
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there. I'm like, come on, come on, you've been doing this
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long enough. Let's let let's not end your words in an r. Okay,
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because I see it, I hear it must be the bench that make
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it difficult, because if she must have fake teeth in, so it must
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be harder. I would imagine she definitely, I would I'm curious about that.
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If I think she's probably wearing fake teeth for the show, I would
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assume, because there's one part where it does look like yeah on the side,
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uh huh, yeah. I don't like how you know all the housewives
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look after they get their new teeth. Yeah, the Veneers, the newest
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Veneers, Oh, the newest. I mean like Karen Huger. She just
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can't even like talk. She's like she can't even fit. You know,
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it's crazy. So this whole thing, okay, wow, just where do
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we start that scene? So a lot of like this whole Bill Pally who
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works at CBS, Barbara Babes's husband, you know, we sort of like
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the beginning episode is her opening the door to Truman Capoti and she's like,
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oh, the mess, and then she tells him what happened and this like
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scathing affair that her husband was having with who who was this? This was
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who? I thought she said she's a a Rockefeller, but I couldn't figure
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out that was the governor's wife. Okay, yeah, okay, so was
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the governor all happened? Yeah? Wow? Yeah? And then I don't
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I mean I get that, uh, I don't get all of like it
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looked like someone was murdered in that room. Okay, girls gotta have a
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flow you know, and I'm thinking, how did he not notice? Yeah,
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you know, at least if they were just in the bed, I
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could see them, not him not noticing. Because the way that they were
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filming it, you know, they showed that the sheets were kind of up
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on them. But then on that little poof, you know, on the
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circular seat, I'm thinking, how did you go from there to the bed
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and not notice a huge red bloodstain on the white seat. Yeah. Well,
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they did make a point of turning the lights down low like she did.
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And I want to say to Ryan Murphy, I forget if he directed
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this one or whoever did, thank you for having the lights low but not
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so dark. We can't see what's going on. And I did appreciate that,
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thank you. I need to see that. But you know, and
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so it was like, I guess maybe that's what we were supposed to assume,
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that it was too dark. Yeah, but it was like, wow,
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a tank. It was a lot. I mean, get the you
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know, make sure you get the wings, you know with those pads,
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get super I mean, do what you're gonna do. I guess back then,
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i'ven like, get forty five sanitary belts and belts yeah, ninety whatever.
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Yeah, sanitary napkins. It was a lot. So uh that was
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interesting that they included that. But I was thought it was like a good
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shocking opener. Oh, great shocking opener, and a great way to frame
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a man, you know, and to just really put it out there.
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I mean, it is the ultimate in revenge for whomever God would have not.
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I never would have thought of that, you know, but now it's
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going to be in my playbook. So well wait, I mean, like
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I don't know if she had cervical cancer because also there's that seemed like a
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symptom of something because it was like massive, so maybe there was something criosis
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for sure, you know, yeah, there were a lot, so good
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luck, but I can't wait. Yeah, let me know how it goes.
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Yeah, she was freaking ruthless. She's like you for your kind of
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a wife. I was like, wow, we dropped to see you next
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Tuesday, along with some peria blood all over this white room and him just
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trying to scrub up after that was just hilarious and like really, yeah,
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I was actually surprised that he did because then like, like I did know.
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I thought that he left it, but I thought it was a good
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touch that they had him like trying trying to clean Yeah, I mean,
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he wouldn't know what to do. And he's played by Bill Paley's played by
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Treete Williams. Williams, I know what an unfortunate ending. Did he died
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the production of this during the production? Oh, I don't because he died
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in three Oh I think that was during the strike, so maybe not.
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Yeah, I know he had already round. Okay, pretty positive, but
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my god, just but listen, way to go out with a bang in
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this incredible show. And that's every actor's dream. You know, you want
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to die happy, And in my opinion, he probably did. You want
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to die happy cleaning up? Period. Yeah, that's going to make a
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statement. Died doing what he loved, doing what he loved, you know,
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trauma. I was like, you're needed to shout that out? Magic
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eraised her bleach. I don't know what, but and I love that.
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Truman Capoti was like, wait, I don't even know how to do his
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voice, but he's like, you get a need to do late. It's
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like that sounds like Eric and Jane. I don't know, but he's more
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like an Elmer Fudd. Right, you got to high pitch, yeah,
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really high pitch. Yeah, I can't, but that was like I'm sure
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if I watch it again, I would be able to. Yeah. It's
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like very like lazy Tom Hollander, right, Tom Hollander, Tom Hollander and
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something talking about how he gets Tom he got it, Tom Holland, like
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bonus check or something like that for Marvel, and he said it just fucking
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destroyed his weak Are you serious? That's amazing? Yeah, because it was
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for Marvel doesn't pay. That that's that's shocking to me, because I I
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mean, that would be what I would assume is that that would be a
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shocking check to see. But then I also you often hear from actors where
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they're like, Marvel doesn't pay. When you're Tom Holland, it pays,
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and you get bonus and you get back end and all this other stuff.
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I mean, I don't look, I don't even know why I would even
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say repeat that rumor because whatever quote unquote doesn't pay is probably such a ship
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ton of money. So who was ever complaining about this in Hollywood? Stop
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it? Yeah? Yeah, okay, what about that? So this whole
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all these scenes that take place in this lunch, well this restaurant. It's
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like, uh, I didn't I don't remember the name of boot La coute
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Basque or name La Poot. Uh, it's the also the La coute Basque
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because that's in the Capri room. Yeah, because that's the name of the
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Esquire. When when that article came out, it was called that that was
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like a working title for that book that ended up not coming out till after
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he died. But yeah, which book, the book that so un answered
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answered prayers? Or yeah, right, that book was supposed to that art
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that Uh, that was like a tease for the book that was printed in
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Esquire. Oh my god, that four what is it? Four chapters or
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four It was some amount of the book that he was writing that he couldn't
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finish. So they paid Capoti like twenty five thousand dollars to do some excerpts
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from the book or put some chapters in Esquire. And by god, it
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destroying that entire friend group of you know, was awful. But to see,
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like knowing that the writing is on the wall for these women, like
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how did they not see it coming? When he did that to Anne Woodward?
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You know what I mean? Like, if somebody does this to this
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person, they're probably going to do it to you. And then they were
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so blinded by it because their relationships and their friendships were so deep. I
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mean they like that. The level of betrayal is just insane. Well,
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Slim I guess never wanted to confide in him and he would get upset with
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her and she's like, I just don't trust you. That was that's not
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in the series. But but Babe was like, you're you know, he
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never tells my secrets, mean while he told everybody everything all the time.
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Yeah. Also, like when he came in and is like, I'm going
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to be your best friend, that's also a big old red flag. Yeah,
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and he's like hubble zanax, baby, I don't know. Yeah,
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I can't. I have to Tom Hollander's impression. Yeah, I will be
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yuh. He was so he's so good because to have that type of voice
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and to to put on that character that is such a huge character and then
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keep it grond is like, yeah, that level of acting has to be
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on point, and he just nailed it because you're taking him seriously, you
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know, at all points when it could be just a caricature and an impression
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or whatever, and he just he is it so layered. Yeah, the
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really good and he moves fast and all that stuff. I lovements his movements,
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the Trump hip hop and the Trump I'm sorry, but the Truman hip
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hop pop. Meaning like when Jack came home and he was wasted that first
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time, he was really drunk, you know, because it like, yeah,
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shot forward in nineteen seventy five, and Truman was just like kind of
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wiggling there and dancing, just popping his little Truman hip out. I was
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dying. So Jack, you probably know who Jack was, because I don't
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know much about him. Was Jack his life longtime partner? Yeah, and
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writer? He was another author, but like I think they were together for
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like decades. Wow, Yeah, but I don't think that they I mean
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they were out within their circle obviously, but not like I think that was
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a time when it was just kind of people didn't say gay. They just
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said confirmed bachelor forever. Yes, yes, how about speaking of that because
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they didn't say gay. And the the F word term that Ann Woodward threw
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around in that restaurant was not that scene when Demi Moore aka and Woodward was
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sitting there staring at them having lunch, and He's like she's looking at me,
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and they're like, oh, Truman, of course she is. You're
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going to run into her, you know, you just ignore her. And
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then the next thing, you know, Demi Moore comes in for the kill,
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and it's just like questioning, why did he Why is he going to
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write this book and say that she killed her husband, calling her bang bang
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Even before that she knew she because she just hid her from everybody. That
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he was running around town gossiping and saying that and up in the air too
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or no, no, no, he was at that dinner party. Yeah,
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the first dinner party that they have him meeting Babe and Bill and he's
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like, tell us something you don't know, and he's like, here it
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is so, I mean he's basically is he like, is Kyle the modern
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day Capodi? I mean yeah, yeah, that's a great line to draw
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there. Yeah, So that was crazy that he was friends with Anne Woodward.
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And I wasn't one hundred percent sure why she killed or why she allegedly
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killed her husband. Did you get anything on that. I don't know that
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backstory that well at all, So don't I don't really know, but I
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mean I did know that she was that it did drive her to end her
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life his story, so so in that Esquire article, he must have gone
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with that storyline of her killing her husband and it being covered up by the
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mother because they didn't want to, you know, hurt the children, right,
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And I don't know, like he he, you know, I don't
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know if it was real or not real or I have to assume that there
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was some truth in it because she was really but also like, I don't
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think she felt like running around trying to defend yourself her whole life either.
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But I like that was not fair to do to her. But I don't
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know much about that whole The Woodward story, well, that was for her
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to be like, I didn't call you the F word. I called you
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like whatever, something way way worse, and for him to say she was
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like, why did you do this? And why did you do this?
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And he was like, I liked you. I'm not going to do the
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voice. But he's like, I liked you, but I heard you calling
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me an F word, so I thought I'd be an F word and do
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what an F word can do when he's angry. I was like, oh
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my gosh, the vengeance. So you know, maybe he was doing it
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just to hurt her, and it actually wasn't true. Yeah. I mean
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he had a very very messed up relationship with his mom and so you can't
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help. But who's played by Jessica Lang? My spirit excited to see her?
29:56
Yeah, And so I because when when all this was coming, when
30:03
the show is being promoted, I was like, no, I want Jessica.
30:06
I mean, if it's Ryan Murphy, I need kind of Jessica Lange.
30:08
Yeah, but then going to get Jessica yeah, little and I saw
30:11
her, Yeah, and it's perfect because that seems like who she was.
30:17
Oh god when she yeah, when she came to him, she's his mother.
30:23
So all that to say, like I don't know, with Anne Woodward
30:26
and all these women, like I think they were all I don't. I
30:30
think it was all doomed because he was just trying to recreate this relationship with
30:33
his mom, you know, which wasn't gonna work. M But he even
30:41
even when he was totally accepted, he just didn't even believe it because he
30:45
had all these abandonment issues with his mother and like she hated that he was
30:52
gay, and like there was just all kinds of shaming and hating him and
30:57
like he was just not going to be in and I think that's he would
31:00
just sabotage these relationships. Then that totally makes sense. Oh that's so heartbreaking.
31:07
Yeah, will you allow me to do my Jessica Lang monologue from this
31:12
show. We'll allow it, the court will allow it. Thank you.
31:21
Okay. This is when she appears to him at house because Molly's there and
31:32
uh so you see her back and her zipper's undone, and she says,
31:36
m woa, ship me up. So son, you got fat, didn't
31:45
you. You you're so beautiful, but you got soft. You've done the
31:55
work. You did it all for me, the breath you avenged me.
32:01
Of course, all those people have wanted to be part of they had no
32:08
time for me, just like your swap that was great. Is those where
32:27
who will Trueman? Yeah? So you know, hopefully we'll get somewhere of
32:37
those. We'll see. Oh we have to, we have to. Yeah,
32:42
we better. Yeah. I mean she's playing a ghost, so she
32:45
could come in and out of anything. Ryan Murphy at any point, he's
32:52
like, make make Jessica a ghost. I don't care who, but just
32:55
make her a ghost in every series. Oh Ryan, you thank you whoa
33:09
so Babe and Truman do become best friends? Uh, and he just basically
33:17
they're just off to the races. He meets does John O'shay character in the
33:23
Bathhouse who has such a huge part in his life. Which is this a
33:29
real character? Yeah, a real person? Okay? Wow? Yeah.
33:34
I mean, and I don't know too much about him, but I do
33:37
know that he was abusive. I'm pretty sure that I think that, but
33:43
I think that there were other people in his life that were like physically abusive
33:47
in terms of like lovers or serious relationships. But yeah, I think it
33:53
was Wow, but it kind of is part for the course in terms of
33:59
what he would seek out, you know, yes, absolutely. Well.
34:02
I mean that lunch when he brings him to the Swans and is like,
34:07
you know, he's gonna be my manager or whatever. After the Bathhouse and
34:13
like wow, that was that escalated quickly, and they're like, don't don't
34:16
be stupid, Truman, you know, like don't don't do this, Like
34:21
what are you doing? I mean, at least they're trying to call him
34:22
out on not making bad decisions in his life. But it's because I think
34:28
that they really did love him. Yeah, Like they that's why it was
34:30
so sad because he had there, he had all their attention, all of
34:37
their love what he didn't have from his mom. And they really truly did.
34:42
They treated him better than their kids in a lot of situations, and
34:46
he just like couldn't get it. He couldn't receive it. No, a
34:52
tale as old as time, you know, a song as old as rhyme,
35:02
Beauty and the Beast, There you go, there you go. Well,
35:08
when Babe and Bill basically after this Esquire explosion and they're just sitting there
35:16
trying to like figure out what the hell happened, the explosion of Truman Capoti
35:21
in their lives, and Babe says, I don't know what's worse. You
35:23
are betrayal or Truman's betrayal, you know, because she did say, which
35:29
I loved at the beginning, because he was like, what do you care
35:30
about him? You don't really love him? And she's like, that's true.
35:34
How can he hurt me? You're the only one who could truly hurt
35:37
me because I really love you. And that is so true, I mean,
35:43
much like why I mean, this is a Southern charm reference. But
35:49
Olivia didn't give Taylor a chance again. Well, Taylor was the one that
35:53
really hurt her because she held that relationship in higher regard, whereas Austin and
36:00
couldn't hurt her as much because she expected that from him, you know,
36:02
just a little bravo. Yeah, it's all little bravo. No, but
36:06
that I thought. And then later when Slim was saying like this betrayal hurts
36:13
worse, like the betrayal of your female friends hurts worse than their divorces,
36:20
I thought, oh, yeah it was. It was kind of Truman as
36:24
that, yes, yeah, yeah. Well Slim comes up with the plan
36:30
after this article comes out and they get together and she's like, we're gonna,
36:36
you know, we're gonna take him down. Essentially, we're going to
36:39
dranks and ice am out, ice am ount, gonna not answer his calls,
36:45
We're not going to return you know, his notes. And they said
36:47
they were gonna what friend Bill Blast, because that was the escort he always
36:52
took places or something. They're refusing to film with him, and they're going
36:57
to bring their friend of the show in. Yeah, that's it. Yeah
37:05
Bill Blast? Do you remember Bill Blast? I should do so. I
37:09
had no idea about that. I mean that connection's wild. So to hear
37:13
that old saying, it's that old saying, that old designer, I was
37:15
like, oh my god. Yeah, Capoti starts to like do some acting
37:22
in Hollywood and he is a disaster because he's just basically a drunk at this
37:27
point, and that scene was terrible. But have you seen that movie or
37:30
that scene? No, what is it? It's death by murder? I
37:35
think right, death by murder. I wrote it down because I wanted to
37:38
because I have seen that scene and it is very creepy, especially when you
37:44
juxtapose it with his actual life. Yeah, I think it's murder by death
37:50
one of the two. Okay, it is kind of iconic too, that
37:53
scene in a campy way. Yeah, in a can't be way because it
37:59
like I have not seen that movie. I have just watched that scene,
38:05
but yeah, it is. I mean they edited it well in terms of
38:09
the film because you don't know how badly he was going up on his line
38:14
all that. So okay, So now Capote's kind of trying to pour out
38:22
his liquor and kind of get better. But that doesn't last for very long.
38:28
But Slim visits babe, and they're just hanging out because she's going through
38:34
chemo now and she's sick and she's comforting her and now her husband, Babe's
38:38
husband, Bill is really like being there for her and is taking care of
38:44
her. And I love the line by Babe that says to Bill in that
38:47
moment, why don't you make yourself useful and learn how to make welsh rabbit
38:51
for your grandkids when I'm gone before you find your next wife. Like that
38:55
not the greatest sentence in the world. He's like, yeah, yeah,
39:05
welsh rabbit. And we finally get to see Callista Flockhart as Lee Rabville Yes
39:15
in the second episode, which was great, and she joins the table.
39:22
You know, she basically replaces Capodi because this was at the funeral. It
39:27
was after the funeral of Anne of Anne right right right, because she means
39:32
self yeah, and I will say, Babe, I mean she dies in
39:38
nineteen seventy eight, so I mean, oh wow, Yeah, that happened
39:45
fast. Yeah. So I'm I guess like I'm hoping there's more flashbacks because
39:52
I want to see Demi Moore and more. I want to know too,
39:54
I want to see, Yeah, there has to be or else what are
39:59
we going to be doing? We can't just yeah, we're doing we can't.
40:05
I mean, i'd like all I want to just see all of them
40:07
have their moments with Truman where you think, like, oh, they really
40:13
cared about him. I want to see all each of their moments and then
40:15
ye see a lot of them. We're definitely seeing Babe's story with Truman,
40:20
but we haven't seen Anne's. And I think you're right, maybe there will
40:22
be a lot of room for us to see old scenes of Truman and and
40:27
together and supposedly Babe was his number one. Wow, and it's and it's
40:34
well known how like how that ends? But I won't say it in case
40:39
you don't know it and don't want to know if they reconcile or not.
40:44
Okay, yeah, I don't know, and I guess I'll just wait as
40:49
long as I can. Yeah, five minutes later, Oh my gosh,
40:53
I know, five minutes later. So but oh okay. So c Z
41:00
is the first one to really break the but the plan against which she was
41:06
kind of her plan, which is hilarious. It was perfect housewives. Oh
41:10
but she laid out like this is what we're gonna do. Don't be you
41:15
know, like, let's be strong and then immediately like, no, it
41:19
was different, Raquel. No, Slim is the one who made the plan,
41:24
and CZ is the one who broke it is Chloe. Yeah, I
41:30
thought Chloe made the plan, but I guess you're right it was Slim,
41:32
but it was both of them together. I guess, oh, maybe it
41:36
was both of them together. Yeah, yeah, But I mean she was
41:39
definitely on board, and they were very on board about it, like everybody
41:43
was on board right right, Well except for Babe. She was like,
41:46
I'm going back to the bathroom forget this. So so Slim visits CZ and
41:52
she was like, oh, because she has lunch with Truman and and and
42:00
then he's like it's just a book, come on, Society's Worth Exposing and
42:05
she's like no. And then Lee Radsville walks in. I was going to
42:09
say it like Luanne, and it's like huh. And then she just got
42:15
totally busted. But I'm like, why are you going to the lunch place
42:17
that you bitches go to every single day? Like what do you expect?
42:22
Yeah? I wish that they would have shown that as more of a move
42:25
on Cees's part, like I'm going to test the waters and I'm going to
42:30
do this in a very public It's because it was kind of like going to
42:32
like a very a couple of years ago would be like having a public meeting
42:37
at the Ivy or something like that. Right, yeah, exactly what you
42:42
were doing. So that's what it kind of felt like. But I didn't
42:45
think it was just like a naive thing to meet there. That was too
42:50
weird. Yeah, totally. Yeah. So Slim calls her out and she's
42:54
like, you had lunch with a trader And then she's like, you cannot
42:58
invite him to Thanksgiving. So Cez like fakes the flu and says that she
43:04
can't get together. So now he's not coming. I wasn't sure about this
43:07
going down to Miami or something for Thanksgiving. I'm not sure. Were they
43:13
all in Miami? Were they still in New York for Thanksgiving? Were in
43:15
that big house? I think it was, Yeah, I think it was
43:19
Florida that they were okay too, But man, and then he gets invited
43:23
to Joanne Carsns Molly Molly Ringwolds, Johnny Carson's second Wife's house, right right,
43:35
And they were well divorced by then, well divorced, you can tell.
43:40
Yeah, but Capoti was friends with her. Since the sixties, so
43:44
his time, he knew he knew a lot about that marriage because he was
43:50
like he was in the mix. Oh man, did he ever exploit she
43:52
and Johnny Carson? I don't know. It doesn't seem like it, but
43:59
like you know, I was talking shit about them, and he Johnny Carson
44:02
was so private, he probably yeah. I mean, that would be an
44:07
unbelievable Like I can't believe he was in there because yeah, Johnny Carson,
44:14
I can imagine and was probably has a lot of nightmare stories about him.
44:19
About Johnny Carson, yeah, I would think, And maybe also he just
44:24
he wasn't around him very much, but he would know everything through Johnny's wife,
44:30
So yeah, yeah, wow. So he didn't betray her, I
44:35
don't. I don't think so. And if he did, she was alright
44:38
with it. Interesting, Yeah, maybe maybe he knew there'd be a lawsuit
44:47
involved with that one because he's such a public figure. I don't know,
44:52
but back then it felt like people didn't do that. They did, like
44:58
they just kind of like with indiscretions and that kind of thing, they were
45:02
just like ignore it and make it go away. But I don't know,
45:07
because it is interesting that he wasn't sued, but then he was also like,
45:10
well, if it's true, you can't right, it's not defamation if
45:17
it's actually true. Yeah, And at the end of the day, I
45:21
don't think any of those people wanted a big discovery going on about them.
45:24
They're going to like leave it dormant, They're going to bury it. Yeah.
45:29
Right. But the Thanksgiving, the comparison of the two Thanksgivings was really
45:35
awesome because you see him so cool. Wasn't it just how far he's fallen
45:40
to just a regular Thanksgiving and a regular person's house for the most part,
45:45
and then the just extraordinary wealth of the place that he was supposed to go
45:50
to with all those people and he's no longer there. Well, it was
45:53
also interesting because there was so much like kind of like turning your nose down,
46:00
like it was just like up to Hollywood money then and new money,
46:05
and that was old money. Yeah, so it wasn't even like Joey and
46:08
Carson was like, I mean, she was rich, rich, but it
46:13
was nowhere to compare, nothing to compare to what he was used to,
46:17
what he had basically gotten used to. Yeah right, Yeah, although he
46:22
did I think have a room in her home. He had two rooms.
46:24
He had his writing room and his guests that were his rooms. So he
46:30
did spend a lot of time slumming it up there. Wow yeah, wow,
46:37
wow wow. Well let's see, Bill says, Oh, every single
46:45
time Jack tries to get Babe to come back and help or you know,
46:51
make up with Truman, she just refuses. She's really standing by her commitment
46:57
to ice him out and she is not forgiven him. Yeah, no comment,
47:06
no spoilers, Okay, all spoilers, all spoilers all day. Well,
47:15
certainly she will probably be the one to die first. I would imagine,
47:22
Well, he dies in eighty four. And when did she die?
47:24
Seventy eight? Seventy eight? Okay, so so my prediction was right,
47:30
No rewind Wow all though, good at this. Did you see how I
47:38
took the year from earlier in the episode and I made it my own my
47:44
own prediction. Yeah? So, and the article came out in seventy five
47:51
seventy five? Yeah okay, yeah, the pre novel yeah wild. So
48:00
what other thoughts do you have about the first two episodes that we've just now
48:04
seen. I love the opening credits. If you haven't watched watch them.
48:08
They are so creative and like different unexpected little animations and it's really neat to
48:19
watch. And I love all the dishes, Like I don't know where they
48:24
got those dishes, because some of that stuff is I mean, they must
48:30
I know Chris Jenner collects and like vintage and antique dinner sets and I'm like,
48:36
I dorow I do. Thanks for bringing it up, Honny. Yeah,
48:42
because they are full prinets. Yeah, and they are set and they
48:45
are so delicate and they're such China China. They're so their bone China.
48:54
Yeah. Yeah, but who's bones, I ask you? O bones bones?
49:02
Yeah? But yeah, I love the sets, I love the costumes.
49:13
I pretty much love everything about this. It is each scene is like
49:19
a nice, beautiful, well like thought through capsule of time and take everybody
49:25
out. I'm like, oh my gosh, they thought of everything. Yeah,
49:29
there's not some pirates from the nineties sitting on the table like they've covered
49:34
it. They did it. Who's your favorite Swan Babe? Yeah, because
49:38
that was his favorite, because it's his favorite. Yeah, I like everything
49:44
he likes. No, I just do like Babe a lot because well,
49:50
so far, so far. Yeah, because we're gonna see some more we're
49:52
gonna get Oh boy, Monica Geller up in this piece. Well, there
50:00
were so many Like I I like, I really didn't expect that we would
50:06
get so much c Z so I that's but I'm like, I'm kind of
50:10
open to whatever. I know, like like Churchill's daughter in laws in the
50:16
mixing. Oh right, that would make sense. Yeah, but yeah,
50:22
Like I'm just I'm just waiting to see what Ryan gives us. Oh,
50:28
he just gives and gives and gives, giving Swan, and I'm giving Swan.
50:32
I did not watch all the credits. Is Brad Falchuk involved with us?
50:37
I would assume, but I didn't watch the closing credits, Okay,
50:40
and honestly there was I wasn't watching. I watched the opening credits, but
50:45
I was just staring at the animation and the like the names were staying with
50:50
I always like to get involved in the credits when I see them, and
50:53
that is one credit sequence I will probably never fast forward because I like,
50:59
it's such a treat hmmm hmm, like that it's in the same style as
51:05
the other feud with Joan Crawford and Betty Davis. That was amazing. Oh
51:10
God, we're going to continue to recap it. So, and I think
51:16
there's either eight or six episodes, do you know, gosh, I don't
51:21
know. That's a good question. The first two are out, but you
51:23
said on FXA and then the next day. Yeah, so it'll be every
51:29
Thursday that it comes out. Yeah, okay, this is so wait,
51:34
okay, what day is Wenday? No, it's Thursday. So it's every
51:37
Wednesday Wednesday night unless you went to wait till Hulu, unless you want to
51:42
wait till Thursday. Yeah, there you go. Okay, Well this was
51:45
really fun. Take your xen X baby. Next week. We're gonna have
51:51
a Capote voice for you. We're gonna have other credits for you. You
51:55
know, we're just getting into we're just getting our feet wet. Yeah.
52:00
If I'm sure we can figure out Nicole Kidman and that'll get us to Naomi
52:04
Watts. There you go. Okay, Well, this is an example of
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