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Did the ATF Murder A Citizen? Congress Is Asking · Conversations: Special Guests with Preston Scott

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  All right. We are joined by Lee Williams. He's known as the gun
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  Writer the website The gun Writer dot substack dot com. Lee Williams, Good
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  morning, sir, good morning, how are you. I'm terrific. I
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  want to get right to your latest piece about ATF director. What is it
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  Steve Dtleback? What did he have to say to the House Subcommittee? Well,
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  he is not much of a leader. Let's put it that when he
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  came across as a very weak man. We learned a lot more about horrible
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  circumstances regarding the March nineteenth swat raid which killed Brian Melanowski. Evidently ATF cutoff
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  electricity to his home before they went in, making it more difficult for him
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  to identify them as police officers. After he was shot in the head.
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  It took fifty seven seconds between and they kicked in his door and when he
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  was laying on the floor shot in the head. Once he was shot,
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  they grabbed his wife, mayor, who was at the hearing, and pulled
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  her outside in her bed clothes and forced her into the back of a squad
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  car where she was held for four hours. It was thirty four degrees Preston
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  and she was pleading the whole time to go check on her husband. That
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  all prompted Congressman Jim Jordan, who chairs this committee that held the hearing,
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  to say, if that isn't the weaponization of government, I don't know what
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  is. You know, I couldn't agree with him. More. Let's reset
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  for those that may not be fully aware of the story the alleged crimes of
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  Brian Malinowski that forced ATF to treat him as if he was a Jahati terrorist
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  arch criminal. He sold guns without a license at a tide before the new
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  rule took effect. Even though the new rule has been stayed where it would
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  be debatable whether he violated the law or not. He was not selling firearms.
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  He was not in the business of selling firearms. He had a job.
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  He was executive director of the Bill and Hillary Clinton International Airport. In
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  a little rock. He made more than any other city employee who's paid two
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  hundred and sixty thousand dollars a year. He wasn't driving his income from selling
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  guns. He liked to sell guns. He was a hobbyist. He would
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  go to gun shows and get a table. He also sold coins. I
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  guess he was quite the coin collector too, so ATF surveiled him, put
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  a tracker on his car, got a search warrant for his phone, and
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  then they decided to hit his home. March nineteenth, pre dom no knock,
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  raid, took down the door, rushed in. He mistook them for
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  home invaders. Obviously that's what his wife said. I believe her, and
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  came out with the firearm and they shot him in the head. I am
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  there, I am good. I'm a happy example. Glenn Is on nine
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  to noon I am Stronger every day on WFLA. He's the gunwriter. You
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  Lee Williams with us this morning. Lee. It's bad enough. This
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  guy had to face off with Jim Jordan, who I regard as one of
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  the best we have in Congress. He also had to deal with Congressman Troy
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  Nells, who, unfortunately for Dettlebacker, is a former sheriff. Share the
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  opening comments of the ATF director and some of the exchange with Nell's the former
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  sheriff. Yeah, devil Bock tries to make this ATF out to be some
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  type of elite unit. It's not. He claimed. They go after the
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  trigger pull and shooters and gun traffickers, which he called the worst of the
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  worst. They don't. He never mentioned that Brian Melanoski, who has murdered
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  March nineteenth by his agency, never had it been arrested, He had no
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  criminal record. He tried this crap, saying again that gun violence is a
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  leading cause of death for children, which it is if you include eighteen and
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  nineteen year old gang members. But Nells, like you said, former sheriff,
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  been there, done that, called about on it. Nells would not
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  allow when he was sure of no knock warrants because of their danger, and
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  he didn't like quote swat teams coming indoors dress like ninja's. He just outclassed
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  Bock. I mean, they asked detelback, are you a copy? Have
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  you ever done anything? He's like, no, I'm a prosecutor. DETTL.
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  Bock has never been in the field. A lot of the congress people
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  on that committee had, including Mells. He's a decorated sheriff, bri DETL.
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  Bock. You should see it. I mean it was like a three
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  and a half hour here and he just came across really poorly and constantly tap
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  danced around the Malinowski death. We all knew he was going to claim,
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  well, I can't talk about it because it's you know, it's pending legal
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  matter. Hey, your agency murdered someone. He should have been able to
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  discuss that. Our congressman from the district just to our west, Matt Gates,
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  asked an interesting question. He asked, how many firearms does someone have
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  to sell to be engaged in the business of firearms? What was the answer?
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  I mean, that's what you want to know, right, I mean,
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  if you have five, ten, fifteen guns, you come upon hard
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  times, you want to sell some guns, get some or you got guns
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  you don't want, you want to sell a few, make some money.
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  You want to know, you know, can I do this safely with that
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  atf kicking down my door? Now? Delbot couldn't answer this new rule of
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  THEIRS. I want to make sure this is clear for your listeners presently,
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  this new rule about whether or not you need to get a federal firearms license.
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  The rule is sixteen pages long, but there are four hundred pages of
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  explanation, which Dettelbox told the hearing are conduct based, not numerically based,
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  so there is no number. There is no real way to understand it.
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  Basically, they want everybody who wants to sell a gun very worried about ATF
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  and coming through their door, which is I think why they did the whole
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  swat team range so they'll go out and go through a dealer. It's incredible
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  rule. What do you think the outcome of these hearings? The end result
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  of this is this going to end in a settlement with the family in a
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  wrongful death lawsuit with full disclosure. I mean, what are we going to
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  get? Detlbo's scared because he knows that the Malanoski family is represented by a
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  civil attorney who is the former attorney general in Arkansas where this occurred. The
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  guy's really juiced in. He was at the hearing. You can see him.
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  I have a photo of Devil Bock turning to say he's sorry to Brian's
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  widow. Mayor and Bud after his last name, is just sitting right next
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  to the widow. There's going to be a civil suit, it'll be it'll
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  stretch on for a couple of years, and ATF will quietly settle. More
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  importantly, I think some serious, serious changes are heading his way. This
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  agency is out of control. They always have been. Waco, Ruby,
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  Ridge, Fast, and Furious come to mind. They've never been held accountable.
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  I think they're about to be held accountable. Even some of the dems
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  I'm hearing are sick of the bloodthirstiness that ATF has. And you know,
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  they're not really a real federal law enforcement agency. They they're brought in to
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  most cases after the fact. If DEEA or local law enforcement or local sheriff
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  department or state police make an arrest and the guy has a gun, then
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  they'll bring an ATF to trace the gun, maybe it's stolen, or if
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  they get a fellon in possession of a firearm, they'll give ATF a call
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  again after the fact and have them file some federal charges USLA on your phone
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  Xbox, and Sonos. This is Chrysler and Ihearts radiosation. Let's talk with
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  Lee on the break. It's great for business, bad for the country that
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  we have so many stories, so many different fronts that are being battled that
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  relate directly or indirectly to the Second Amendment. So we're going to turn this
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  into sort of a lightning round with Lee williamsthegunwriter dot substack dot com. Lee.
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  Twenty six states have filed lawsuits in federal courts over the redefinition of gun
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  dealers by the ATF. Where's that it's enjoined? In Texas? The court
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  in Texas found that ATF, once again, just like I'm bumstocks and frames
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  and everything else, overstepped its authority and started making laws rather than simp enforcing
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  them. So that law and I know second then foundation my employer hassued that
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  law is going to become loot and held up in the courts. Pretty soon,
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  United States Supreme Court decided not to hear a challenge to a law in
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  Maryland that bans the always vaguely defined assault weapon. A little more on that,
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  Yeah, the law loss. It was filed a couple of years ago
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  in twenty twenty two. It was refiled with new plaintiffs after the bruined decision.
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  Unfortunately, it lingered in Fourth Circuit US Court of Appeals for two years.
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  So the plane has got kind of angry about that and took it directly
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  through the Supreme Court bypassing the Court of Appeals. Supreme Court said, nah,
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  they I mean, they very rarely pressed the will take a case that
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  has not been fully adjudicated by lower court, so they sent it back.
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  Doesn't say anything about how the High Court feels about assault weapon bans. I
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  think they're going to take up the Illinois case, which is a Second Amendment
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  foundation case that seems to be the best one that would accomplish the most in
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  your opinion. Does Scotus saying no, we're going to wait on the Fourth
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  Circuit to make its decision, does it in any way, shape or form,
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  tell the Fourth Circuit okay, get this course case heard. Yeah.
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  I mean that's a very subtle nudge from the justices. It's been in the
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  court for two years, bro. Yeah, how long do we need?
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  All right? Yeah? Broadly. One of the things that we talk about
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  with members of Congress that come on this program is the ever shifting sands of
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  executive leadership in our country. One president comes in, has this philosophy on
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  let's use our example, the Second Amendment on guns, on the atf et
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  cetera, and does one set of executive orders. The next president comes in
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  and undoes it all, and then the next president comes in and redoes it,
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  and it goes back and forth. What do we need to do to
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  stop this ping pong so that our rights are protected and it's codified in law.
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  It is codified in law right now. That is a sad part the
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  Second Amendment, despite what the other team wants to say, is incredibly clear.
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  However, as Justice Thomas once said, is treated like a second class
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  right and that needs to end. I mean, look at Brewin in twenty
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  twenty two. That decision said, hey, you can't just willing nearly ban
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  a fire ements in common usage, and people have a right to carry a
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  firearm outside of their home for self defense. All of these Blue states just
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  completely looked over that and started instituting anti Brewin tantrum laws and nobody's held accountable
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  for that. I think at some point the High Court is going to get
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  a little upset and they're going to start smashing some of these states who are
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  passing these laws knowing full well they're unconstitutional. That's what it's going to take.
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  It's going to take some type of punitive action for the Supreme Court.
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  What is at their disposal though, because almost all courts, especially Supreme Court.
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  It relies on just adherents. It doesn't have a way to enforce it
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  per se. That's up to the you know, the the various law enforcement
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  bureaus or departments, agencies, et cetera to do. So what recourse do
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  we have because I've always found Democrats will just do what they want until a
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  court says no, and then it'll just do it anyway. I remember when
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  the president, former president sent one hundred and first Airborne Division into a Southern
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  school because the governor down there didn't want to integrate. Yeah, unfortunately,
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  and that's what it took. Unfortunately, the Supreme Court doesn't have a couple
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  of battalions at its disposal. But it's going to take an executive branch that
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  is committed to making sure that the Court's rules are followed. And we have
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  just the opposite. Now we have Biden creating the Office of Gun Violence Prevention,
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  which you put right inside the White House arts to say his handlers did
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  so that you know that is being paid for by your tax dollars. In
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  my text dollar, there's an anti gun office in the White House right now
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  dedicated to violating your Second Amendment rights. It's going to take somebody coming in,
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  and I think we all know who that's going to be. Who's going
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  to whack all of this crap overnight, and then it's going to be committed
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  to maintaining and safeguarding the sanctity of the Second Amendment without giving anything away,
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  Lee, what's the next story you're working on that people ought to be putting
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  on their radar. Well, we have. We're going to continue to pound
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  ATF over this Malinowski killing like no one else has because if you watch the
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  hearing yesterday and you saw Mayor Malinowski, the widow, she still has yet
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  received justice on this and ATF has yet to tell the truth. Thanks very
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  much, Lee, appreciate what you do and as always appreciate your friendship with
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  us here on the program. My pleasure. You take care. Thank you,
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  sir, Lee Williams with us thegun Writer dot substack dot com. These
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  are see, these aren't just some novice musings of a guy who cares about
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  the Second Amendment. Lee's Lee's got some chops, he's got the background,
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  he's got the knowledge, and he's aware of litigation that's going on and litigation
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