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6/22/26: Mythos AI Hacked NSA In Hours, Trump Reflecting Pool Meltdown, Zohran Vs AIPAC · Breaking Points with Krystal and Saagar

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Speaker 2: So you will recall we covered last week how Trump
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Speaker 2: de facto blocked Anthropic's latest release, Fable five as being
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Speaker 2: too dangerous. He was asked about that in his relationship
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Speaker 2: with Anthropic recently. Let's take a listen.
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Speaker 3: We have a situation with Anthropic and we didn't like
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Speaker 3: what they were doing, and so far, I think they've
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Speaker 3: behaved very responsibly to our request.
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Speaker 4: To you view Anthropic and to a degree at CEO
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Speaker 4: Dario Amiday as a threat to national security.
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Speaker 3: Well, not now, but a week ago, maybe I was
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Speaker 3: with him yesterday he made a speech. I made a
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Speaker 3: little speech. We were in the room on the G
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Speaker 3: seven and seems like a nice guy, smart guy. But
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Speaker 3: he responded to us very quickly, because you know it's
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Speaker 3: tremendous liability. People get put in prison immediately for that.
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Speaker 3: You know, you can't play games with it. And he
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Speaker 3: responded very responsibly. I thought, so far, I think he will.
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Speaker 4: Do you have the power and the inclination to shut
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Speaker 4: them down or possibly take.
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Speaker 3: Them Well, I don't want to do that because I'm
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Speaker 3: somebody that you know, we're beating China by a lot.
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Speaker 3: And Ai I was with President She we talked about it.
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Speaker 3: We're beating China by a lot. Everyone thought that we
1:55
Speaker 3: didn't have the electricity. I came up with an idea.
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Speaker 3: I thought of it myself. I let them build their
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Speaker 3: own electric plants when they're building their factory. Is that
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Speaker 3: way they don't have to use an old grid and
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Speaker 3: they actually sell back into the grid at a cheap price.
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Speaker 3: Excess electricity. They need massive amounts, it's amazing. Or they
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Speaker 3: need double the amount of electricity that this country produces
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Speaker 3: for everything to run it. So I had the idea,
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Speaker 3: said I'm going to let them. I mean, we don't
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Speaker 3: have that kind of electricity, really, nobody does. And they're
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Speaker 3: building their plants and they're building the most incredible electric
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Speaker 3: producing factories you've ever seen. So we're leading China by
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Speaker 3: a lot. It's going to be for the good, and
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Speaker 3: we're watching for the bed is there? I think the
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Speaker 3: good Let me put it in a different way, The
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Speaker 3: good far outweighs the bed. We are going to find
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Speaker 3: the bed and we're going to stop it.
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Speaker 2: So you'll call the way that we got here is
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Speaker 2: Entropic developed Mythos and they restrained themselves from releasing it
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Speaker 2: and partnered with the federal government that allowed access to
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Speaker 2: a few sort of trusted large players. And the concern
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Speaker 2: there was that Mythos was so powerful it could easily
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Speaker 2: identify all of these security glitches where it would make
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Speaker 2: it very easy for nefarious actors to hack.
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Speaker 5: Into various systems.
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Speaker 2: Fable five was supposed to be Mythos with a lot
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Speaker 2: of guardrails, so it was supposed to be sort of
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Speaker 2: like the safe version of Mythos. Then you have Amazon
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Speaker 2: reportedly coming in and saying, hey, we sent found some
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Speaker 2: problems with Fable five. We don't think that this is tenable.
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Speaker 2: We think that this is unsafe. The Trump administration reacts,
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Speaker 2: they say, Okay, no foreign national can have access to this.
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Speaker 2: This basically de facto makes it so that Fable five
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Speaker 2: has to be pulled. So all of that is a
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Speaker 2: long way of saying, we're not getting some more information
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Speaker 2: about Mythos and just how powerful and potentially concerning it
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Speaker 2: really was. Let's put this Economist excerpt up on the
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Speaker 2: screen here, so they sat here that On June eleventh,
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Speaker 2: Mark Warner, the vice chair of the Senate Intelligence Committee,
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Speaker 2: said that General Joshua Brudd, who leads the National Security
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Speaker 2: Agent and the Pentagon's cyber Command, had told him Mythos
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Speaker 2: broke into almost all of our classified systems, not in weeks,
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Speaker 2: but in hours. In hours, Mythos was able to break
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Speaker 2: into all of our most classified systems. The author of
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Speaker 2: this article in The Economist chimed in to say, well,
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Speaker 2: maybe I should have added some caveats here. This is
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Speaker 2: from shishenk Kyoshi. Is that how sh Shishank Kyoshi, This
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Speaker 2: now widely circulated claim is based online.
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Speaker 5: I wrote last week in an.
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Speaker 2: Article by the Way that was critical of the decision
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Speaker 2: to pull fable five. I accurately quoted Mark Warner, weis
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Speaker 2: chair of the Senate Intelligence Committee, saying the NSA chief
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Speaker 2: had told him Mythos broken almost all of our classified systems,
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Speaker 2: not in weeks, but in hours. But it would be
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Speaker 2: a mistake to read that literally. I think it surely
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Speaker 2: depends on using Mythos alongside other tools under very particular conditions.
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Speaker 2: I quoted it to give a sense of Mythos's potency,
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Speaker 2: but it was a mistake not to have added caveats.
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Speaker 5: I don't really know.
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Speaker 2: What he's saying here that makes that you assessment that
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Speaker 2: they've broken all the systems.
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Speaker 5: It doesn't.
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Speaker 2: Maybe I'm not understanding, but I don't understand how this
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Speaker 2: makes a difference that it was like, oh, it was
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Speaker 2: some particular circumstances and they had to use other tools. Well,
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Speaker 2: are those tools available broadly or not?
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Speaker 3: Right?
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Speaker 1: Well, remember that Mark Warner is the ranking Democrat or sorry, no, yeah,
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Speaker 1: he's the ranking Democrat on the Senate Intelligence Committee. It
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Speaker 1: was one of the most deeply national security embedded senators
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Speaker 1: in all of Washington. If you want to look for
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Speaker 1: a mouth of the deep state, here it is. I
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Speaker 1: don't think it was an accident to say this is true.
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Speaker 1: I did see a lot of cybersecurity professionals saying that
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Speaker 1: this seemed unbelievable, and they're like, well, if this is true,
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Speaker 1: then the NSA just has bad cybersecurity, and like, look,
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Speaker 1: never underestimate government and competence. Yeah, whatever comes it also
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Speaker 1: potentially don't underestimate here commit Thos and Claude. But look,
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Speaker 1: I think what this demonstrates is the amount of questions
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Speaker 1: and the problem with the lack of scrutiny on these modelsifically,
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Speaker 1: because if there is some basis to this and it's
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Speaker 1: actually there, then obviously what the Trump administration did or
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Speaker 1: even what Trump laid out there in that clip is correct.
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Speaker 1: And it also just gets to the democratic control. You know,
6:13
Speaker 1: here in northern Virginia, I was watching this news story
6:17
Speaker 1: that was just the other day. I think it's sterling.
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Speaker 1: So it's not that far here from Washington, where a
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Speaker 1: residential neighborhood was built. A data center was built right
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Speaker 1: next to this residential neighborhood, and as is common, the
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Speaker 1: data center had these huge generators. Now, the residents were
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Speaker 1: told that the wine of the generators would only be
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Speaker 1: on temporarily until the data center was hooked up to
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Speaker 1: the electric grid. Well, what's happened is that they've been
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Speaker 1: on for a year now. The wine is so loud
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Speaker 1: that some of the residents install plexa glass on their
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Speaker 1: windows to keep the noise from coming in. Their property
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Speaker 1: values are nuked. They literally cannot sell this home. It
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Speaker 1: will drive you mad. Like somebody held up a decibel
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Speaker 1: meter from the it was like seventy or eighty. So
7:05
Speaker 1: for context, I've learned. I have a decimal meter now
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Speaker 1: on my phone. During the whole like newborn phase, you know,
7:09
Speaker 1: I was trying to calibrate white noise to what it's
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Speaker 1: supposed to be. Yes, these are a newborn dad, things
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Speaker 1: that you end up doing. And the limit is fifty.
7:18
Speaker 1: Well this is like higher it outside almost a mile
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Speaker 1: you know, it was like a mile or so away
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Speaker 1: from the data center. Is so high, Like it would
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Speaker 1: damage hearing long term for a newborn baby.
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Speaker 5: And two seven, how go lit break?
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Speaker 1: I would lose it? I would, I would, you know,
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Speaker 1: I would probably sell the house to the loss and
7:35
Speaker 1: like I'd rather decar bankruptcy lives on. Like a lot
7:38
Speaker 1: of people don't have that option or don't want to
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Speaker 1: do something like that. But that just what I'm linking
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Speaker 1: them to is democratic control. These things get built, there's
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Speaker 1: all these promises that are made, it'll be good for
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Speaker 1: the community, et cetera. Your quality of life just gets ruined,
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Speaker 1: and now you just have no recourse. You're just sitting
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Speaker 1: around there with plexiglass taped and tinfoil on your head.
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Speaker 1: You know, it's like it's maddening. And this is where
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Speaker 1: with the I mean, do you guys feel this with spam,
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Speaker 1: Like the amount of spam that is now currently coming
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Speaker 1: to my phone. I think a lot about the original
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Speaker 1: tweets that were coming around AI with a lot of
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Speaker 1: these agents, about the how easy it is now for
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Speaker 1: many of these a these spam farms to use data
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Speaker 1: brokers and AI to just mass call your phone, mass
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Speaker 1: text message, phishing scams, mass like target email. This is
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Speaker 1: the stuff where it's all happening with no regulation and
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Speaker 1: you know it gets I think we have that author
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Speaker 1: soon coming on the d shitification guy. I think he
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Speaker 1: is ultimately right, Like, you know, a phone was cool
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Speaker 1: because you could call people like I literally had to
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Speaker 1: go to the carrier to enable new settings to block
8:45
Speaker 1: any if you if I don't have your number, my
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Speaker 1: phone's not ringing. Like that's ultimately what I had to
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Speaker 1: resort to just because I'm getting eighteen twenty five calls.
8:52
Speaker 1: I know now based upon some of the spam farm
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Speaker 1: analysis I've seen a lot of it is powered by
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Speaker 1: these AI models, Like how can there be no right
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Speaker 1: on that? They're like, oh, it's an India, Come on, like,
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Speaker 1: we can figure it out. Yeah, I'm sure we can't.
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Speaker 2: Well, And that's the thing with the decision to effectively
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Speaker 2: block fable five is like, Okay, maybe that's the right decision.
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Speaker 5: We need a like a process.
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Speaker 2: I mean, this all came about because Anthropic is seen
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Speaker 2: as like woke and stood up to the Department of
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Speaker 2: War and so there, and some of their like executives
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Speaker 2: have pronouns in their bio whatever there is, you should
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Speaker 2: have zero confidence that if this was Grock, if this
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Speaker 2: was Sam Altman, who's done a great job sucking up
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Speaker 2: to Trump into the entire administration, who was the first
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Speaker 2: to raise his hand when Anthropics stepped away and said
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Speaker 2: these this is too far for all.
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Speaker 1: I'll do it.
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Speaker 2: Oh, don't worry, I'll do it. No, no worries. We're
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Speaker 2: right there. So you know, if it was one of them,
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Speaker 2: I have zero confidence that they would make the same decision.
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Speaker 2: So that's why these things there has to be transparency,
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Speaker 2: there has to be consistent scrutiny, there has to be
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Speaker 2: a completely different paradigm than what we're doing now. And
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Speaker 2: it's it's very disconcerting seeing all all of these guys
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Speaker 2: at the G seven being treated with dput D four,
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Speaker 2: being treated like they are literal heads of states, like
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Speaker 2: sitting at the table with the G seven actual leaders
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Speaker 2: acting and being treated like they are heads of state.
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Speaker 2: And in a sense, given the power that they have amassed,
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Speaker 2: both in terms of wealth and ability apparently to shape
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Speaker 2: the future of this country and the world, it makes
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Speaker 2: sense that should be deeply disturbing to all of us.
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Speaker 2: In fact, one of them, I can't remember which one
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Speaker 2: even you know, said effectively, it shouldn't this level of
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Speaker 2: decision making should not be in the hands of me,
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Speaker 2: It should not be in the hands of any single
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Speaker 2: one of these guys. And yet that de facto is
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Speaker 2: exactly what we have right now. But I think the
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Speaker 2: mythost part, you know, is is very important to dwell
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Speaker 2: on and the fact that it was able to you know,
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Speaker 2: hack into some significant amount of NSAY systems. I saw
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Speaker 2: some analysts saying too, like the most sensitive systems are
10:56
Speaker 2: going to be airgap, meaning they're not even attached, you know,
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Speaker 2: connected to a network, so you can't just hack into them.
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Speaker 2: But certainly I'm sure we have lots of sensitive things
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Speaker 2: that are hackable, and then that those was apparently able
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Speaker 2: to get into.
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Speaker 5: I don't know.
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Speaker 2: The idea is to mean that this teach is just
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Speaker 2: like no big deal and it's just going to be
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Speaker 2: like any other technological development.
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Speaker 5: We don't need to really worry about it.
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Speaker 2: The more that I see, the more that I am
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Speaker 2: convinced that that is just not the case. Now is
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Speaker 2: all of the most you know, concerning elements of this,
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Speaker 2: so we're going to destroy all of human labor, it's
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Speaker 2: going to potentially destroy the entire human race. Is all
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Speaker 2: of that going to come to pass? I don't know,
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Speaker 2: But the fact that you already have models which are
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Speaker 2: this powerful and that we're getting information from anthropic that's
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Speaker 2: saying guys, we actually as like a collective need to
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Speaker 2: slow down and name checking specifically that they are, you know,
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Speaker 2: approaching recursive self improvement, which could lead to this explosion
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Speaker 2: of intelligence.
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Speaker 5: It's all very concerning, yeah, of.
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Speaker 1: Course, and look, should there be an investigation over all
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Speaker 1: of this. Let's also I love this story. Let's put
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Speaker 1: D five up here on the screen. So Amazon, on
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Speaker 1: their movie arm had this film in the works about
12:04
Speaker 1: open Ai. I guess it was going to be. It
12:06
Speaker 1: was titled Artificial. It was supposed to be kind of
12:10
Speaker 1: a social network style film about Sam Altman and quote
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Speaker 1: his rocky road to becoming the chief executive of open Ai.
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Speaker 1: Amazon had announced currently recently, plans to invest fifty billion
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Speaker 1: dollars in open Ai this year. By the way, you
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Speaker 1: should link that to what just happened with Claude, because
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Speaker 1: if Amazon is investing in open Ai, then Claude is
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Speaker 1: their direct competitor, just so you all know, right, but
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Speaker 1: zooming out from it. At the same time, they said
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Speaker 1: that their in film, which they originally were set to finance,
12:38
Speaker 1: will now be better served if were released by a
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Speaker 1: different studio. Amazon's decision quote shocked the filmmakers, who were
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Speaker 1: told on Tuesday the team at Amazon had been supportive
12:48
Speaker 1: of the movie up until the fifty million dollars or
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Speaker 1: fifty billion dollar investment in open Ai, and had already
12:54
Speaker 1: spent around forty million dollars on the project. The streaming
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Speaker 1: giant had already tested the movie in four different markets
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Speaker 1: and the team was working on determining a release date.
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Speaker 1: The head of Prime Video and Amazon MGM made the
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Speaker 1: decision allegedly. Now this comes on the heels of Amazon
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Speaker 1: and MGM having been bought or MGM having been bought
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Speaker 1: by Amazon, but it also demonstrates the huge problem with
13:17
Speaker 1: these tech monopolies who are owning the means and distribution
13:22
Speaker 1: of entertainment. I mean, think about this with Apple, right,
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Speaker 1: like Apple, Apple TV. One of the reasons they're investing
13:28
Speaker 1: a lot of money in this they have a lot
13:30
Speaker 1: of prestige creators and there is because they want to
13:32
Speaker 1: have this entertainment arm, which serves as a way to
13:35
Speaker 1: get people in the Apple ecosystem, to get you on
13:38
Speaker 1: the iPhone, the MacBook, somebody like me, like one of
13:40
Speaker 1: these crazy Apple heads, and it's working. But same with Amazon,
13:43
Speaker 1: Like here with them, you have their tech arm which
13:47
Speaker 1: is generating all the revenue MGM, and all of this
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Speaker 1: is kind of like cultural a cultural footprint with which
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Speaker 1: to use as influence for your own machine of what's
13:57
Speaker 1: actually being owned, like entertainment itself. I'm not going to
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Speaker 1: be naive and say it's never been disconnected, but it's
14:03
Speaker 1: the same problem as corporate media, where when you have Bloomberg,
14:06
Speaker 1: a financial literally financial platform that is sold for news.
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Speaker 1: So it's like, well, what do you think that you
14:12
Speaker 1: think it's going to represent the interest of Michael Bloomberg?
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Speaker 1: I do right, CNN being owned by Time Warner or
14:19
Speaker 1: any of the other holding companies, NBC being owned by
14:21
Speaker 1: Universal or for any ge has always been seen as
14:26
Speaker 1: a tool of control, like a lost leader, which is
14:28
Speaker 1: good for brand purposes, but anyway, I just think it's
14:31
Speaker 1: really dangerous because it keeps us from getting even these
14:34
Speaker 1: types of films. You know, and this is not some
14:37
Speaker 1: no name director. I'm not going to try and pronounce
14:39
Speaker 1: a guy's name, but he had directed this movie which
14:42
Speaker 1: I love, Challengers, which was the tennis movie. I absolutely
14:45
Speaker 1: love this movie, and so is this a real celebrated
14:48
Speaker 1: filmmaker knows how to make good movies. He also did
14:51
Speaker 1: Call Me by Your Name, which was a hit as
14:53
Speaker 1: far as I know, and Challengers as well. Big time
14:56
Speaker 1: agents like not a nobody as a person, and your
14:59
Speaker 1: movie can just get shelved because of corporate interests.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean it makes it very difficult to tell
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Speaker 2: stories that challenged oligarchy. Yeah, exactly, that's the bottom line.
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Speaker 2: And all of these guys, they're all buddies, a bunch
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Speaker 2: of them are, you know, in league with the Trump
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Speaker 2: administration and Trump administration very pro AI. They don't want
15:19
Speaker 2: these negative stories being told. So you can see how
15:22
Speaker 2: even it's a great film tells an important story. My
15:25
Speaker 2: understanding is it's focused around the time period where I
15:27
Speaker 2: don't know if you guys remember this Sam molement was
15:29
Speaker 2: briefly fired in open AI or a tumultuous period read
15:32
Speaker 2: Empire of AI to hear the inside scoop of how
15:34
Speaker 2: that all went down.
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Speaker 5: But in any case, it's just no, that's.
15:37
Speaker 2: Uncomfortable for power, so we're we don't want to have
15:40
Speaker 2: anything to do with it.
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Speaker 1: So very very troubling, and you know, I'm just looking.
15:44
Speaker 1: Social Network was distributed by Sony at the time, but
15:47
Speaker 1: Sony had a real reputation for doing these like independent
15:51
Speaker 1: scripts and films, and it was twenty ten. Facebook was
15:54
Speaker 1: not yet the juggernaut that eventually became. But that's the
15:56
Speaker 1: thing about the crazy rise of these AI companies. It
15:59
Speaker 1: becomes so power powerful so quickly they already have the capability,
16:03
Speaker 1: like with Social you know, they're making this new Social
16:06
Speaker 1: network sequel and all that. I think it's going to
16:07
Speaker 1: be bad. Sorry, but you know, I think.
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Speaker 5: The I didn't really love the film, Oh really, Oh
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Speaker 5: I love it.
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Speaker 3: I love it.
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Speaker 1: I mean I don't even care about the story. I
16:15
Speaker 1: think as a film it was just I mean, I
16:17
Speaker 1: don't care about the implication or so societal thing. The
16:20
Speaker 1: script and the pacing and the director. It is such
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Speaker 1: an incredible film, just in my opinion, But I don't
16:26
Speaker 1: think that, you know, I think the ability of that
16:28
Speaker 1: to get made was actually a statement at the time
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Speaker 1: about this new rising piece of technology. The fact that
16:33
Speaker 1: the you know, the fact that something about AI cannot
16:36
Speaker 1: be made in the current moment because Amazon owns it,
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Speaker 1: I think shows the real danger for the futures. Like
16:43
Speaker 1: one of the ways that society grapples with these things
16:46
Speaker 1: is through art, is through film, and that's you know,
16:49
Speaker 1: can often be like a good cultural check and make
16:51
Speaker 1: people have a reckoning or any of that. Unironically, because
16:54
Speaker 1: the new one I think is called social reckoning. But
16:56
Speaker 1: you can't even have that, you know, in this in
16:58
Speaker 1: this environment where these technopolies have so so much power.
17:02
Speaker 1: As you're watching this on a Google a platform. Okay,
17:05
Speaker 1: let's get to the reflecting pool. Turning now to the
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Speaker 1: reflecting pool. The kind of story which Americans will know
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Speaker 1: just as much about. That's the Iran War. But it
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Speaker 1: is what it is, so well, we're here to give
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Speaker 1: you the covers. Let's put e one up here on
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Speaker 1: the screen. A new truth social post yesterday from the President.
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Speaker 1: Many additional people have been arrested having to do with
17:28
Speaker 1: the disgraceful vandalism of our beautiful reflecting pool. It hasn't
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Speaker 1: looked or worked like this since nineteen twenty two when
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Speaker 1: it was originally built. Even then it leaked badly, and
17:38
Speaker 1: it didn't work hours worked perfectly, including the mirror like finish,
17:42
Speaker 1: perfectly reflecting the two great monuments, which it had never
17:45
Speaker 1: had before. What these terrible vandals have done is a
17:48
Speaker 1: true affront to Presidents George Washington and Abraham Lincoln and
17:51
Speaker 1: should be dealt with accordingly. We met with contractors today.
17:55
Speaker 1: We will probably be forced to release and drain much
17:59
Speaker 1: of the water in order to do the necessary repairs,
18:03
Speaker 1: but will have them done as quickly as possible. What
18:05
Speaker 1: they have damaged does not even include the earlier killing
18:08
Speaker 1: of a large amount of grass, which was by far
18:11
Speaker 1: the least of it. I don't even know what he's
18:12
Speaker 1: talking about there. They took some form of knife or
18:15
Speaker 1: blade and put a two hundred and fifty long gash
18:17
Speaker 1: into the beautiful facade of what took so much work, competence,
18:20
Speaker 1: and money to build and to complete. They also poured
18:22
Speaker 1: corrosive and destructive chemicals into the pool. Their reflecting pool
18:25
Speaker 1: was never so beautiful as it was just one week ago,
18:28
Speaker 1: even going back to nineteen twenty two when it opened.
18:30
Speaker 1: We're proud of what we have done with magnificent structure.
18:32
Speaker 1: We will get it repaired quickly to an equal level
18:34
Speaker 1: of beauty. So here's Trump blaming vandalism for what's happened
18:38
Speaker 1: to the reflective pool. By the way, some of you.
18:40
Speaker 2: On the grass part, did you see what the UFC
18:42
Speaker 2: thing did to the grass of the alleg Yeah?
18:44
Speaker 6: I mean it.
18:45
Speaker 1: They cost millions, Yeah, they clearly millions of dollars to
18:48
Speaker 1: replace the grass. I think that grass forget what that
18:50
Speaker 1: grass seed company is is donated two million dollars whatever
18:54
Speaker 1: you know to rebuild the South. Momd but yes, you're
18:56
Speaker 1: absolutely right, it destroyed the grass here. So what has
18:59
Speaker 1: happened is, as many of you have probably seen that
19:02
Speaker 1: after the reflecting pool was quote finished, is that algae
19:06
Speaker 1: bloomed across the entire reflecting pool, requiring the pouring in
19:10
Speaker 1: of gallons and gallons and gallons of hydrogen, peroxide and bleach.
19:14
Speaker 1: At the same time, chunks of floating pieces of the
19:18
Speaker 1: reflecting pool began to surface, and some of them were
19:22
Speaker 1: being grabbed by individuals. We'll get to that here in
19:25
Speaker 1: a second, but in the interim, let's put E two
19:27
Speaker 1: up here on the screen. The National Guard has now
19:31
Speaker 1: been deployed to the reflecting pool, which has now become
19:34
Speaker 1: actually ironically a tourist attraction because so many people are
19:40
Speaker 1: going to the reflecting pool to try and to grab
19:44
Speaker 1: pieces out of it. This is is that a pink die?
19:46
Speaker 1: I don't even know. Yeah, here we have you can
19:49
Speaker 1: see some imagery of that piece the sealant, the blue sealant,
19:54
Speaker 1: which had floated up to the surface. And now several
19:57
Speaker 1: people have been or at least no one person has
20:00
Speaker 1: been arrested. Trump is claiming that several people have many
20:03
Speaker 1: people going down there. News organizations kind of sticking underwater
20:06
Speaker 1: cameras in you could see the crew here pouring the
20:09
Speaker 1: hydrogen peroxide, the bleach some of the chemicals you had, guys,
20:13
Speaker 1: and like you know those what are those like waiter
20:16
Speaker 1: pants that like fly fishermen wear we're out there.
20:19
Speaker 5: Died because of the chemicals.
20:21
Speaker 1: Yeah, Small Duckling appears to have died as a result
20:24
Speaker 1: of all of this. Just a reminder about Trump was
20:26
Speaker 1: talking about the reflecting pool earlier, about how strong it'll be.
20:30
Speaker 1: Let's take a listen.
20:31
Speaker 3: This will last for at least fifty years, and you'll
20:33
Speaker 3: never have a leak.
20:33
Speaker 7: It's very strong.
20:35
Speaker 1: You couldn't if you had a knife.
20:36
Speaker 3: I don't want to give anybody ideas if you had
20:39
Speaker 3: a knife, you can't even cut it. So strong, so powerful,
20:43
Speaker 3: powerful rubber. It is beautiful, sealed. And I looked at
20:47
Speaker 3: just one of the little pieces that they did to finish.
20:50
Speaker 3: It's like a piece of glass, beautiful color, beautiful ever
20:53
Speaker 3: that you could never get any anything like that.
20:56
Speaker 1: Beautiful piece of glass.
20:57
Speaker 2: You can't even come so powerful.
21:02
Speaker 3: You know.
21:03
Speaker 1: The funny thing is, I've lived here for sixteen years.
21:06
Speaker 1: The reflecting pool was a shithole my entire time, here
21:10
Speaker 1: in Washington, nobody cared. Nobody. It was full of duckshit
21:15
Speaker 1: it was awful. Idiot college students like yours truly would
21:19
Speaker 1: sometimes go down there and you know, do bad things
21:22
Speaker 1: to the reflecting pool at night. It is what I
21:24
Speaker 1: hope there's here's the reflecting pool. Do you remember that
21:27
Speaker 1: mentos diet coke challenge thing? Yeah, back, so I was
21:30
Speaker 1: very popular when I was a freshman in college. We
21:32
Speaker 1: would do that all the time down there. This is
21:34
Speaker 1: kind of stupidity that we would get up to. Well
21:37
Speaker 1: actually yeah, I mean I was eighteen years old, all right.
21:40
Speaker 7: You know.
21:41
Speaker 1: There might be a few cigarettes so that were thrown
21:43
Speaker 1: around there. That's about it. But yeah, that's what we
21:46
Speaker 1: would do when we were in college. Either again, I
21:48
Speaker 1: hope there's a statute notations so I'm damage to the
21:52
Speaker 1: reflecting pool. I think it was like, yeahational guard, it's
21:54
Speaker 1: been a while, but sixteen years. I hope there's a
21:56
Speaker 1: statute rotation anyway. So anyway, it's it's been a dump.
22:01
Speaker 1: Nobody particularly cared. Trump made a huge show about redoing
22:06
Speaker 1: the reflecting pool. I was like, okay, you know, sure,
22:08
Speaker 1: you know, the refecting pools always sucked. That's fine, fine
22:10
Speaker 1: with me. And then you know, of course, you know
22:13
Speaker 1: he put the blue ceiling. I was very skeptical as
22:15
Speaker 1: it was, but I was like, okay, I finished product. Yeah,
22:17
Speaker 1: it looks good. Great. And then the problem is there
22:21
Speaker 1: had been you know, the reflectable has been green many times.
22:23
Speaker 1: There's always been you know, duck crap, whatever and all that. Again,
22:26
Speaker 1: nobody got two seconds about it. But by making such
22:29
Speaker 1: a big show about it, by spending all this money
22:33
Speaker 1: on it, it is now turned into a national story
22:36
Speaker 1: in which you have to spend what is it, thirteen
22:38
Speaker 1: million dollars, then drain the pool and the bleach, and
22:42
Speaker 1: now everybody's like showing photos of the little duckling that
22:45
Speaker 1: died in the reflect which is tragic. It's true, it
22:48
Speaker 1: is deeply tragic. But it's like, you know, nobody would
22:51
Speaker 1: have cared about this if you had just not touched
22:53
Speaker 1: it in the first Yes, And so that is ultimately,
22:56
Speaker 1: I think one of the stories about well.
22:58
Speaker 2: And it's also it's always very interesting to think about
23:01
Speaker 2: why something touches a cultural nerve, because like the ballroom
23:04
Speaker 2: definitely did, and I understand why. It's because it's such
23:07
Speaker 2: a monument to his ego and narcissism.
23:09
Speaker 1: It results turning the president's house into his own.
23:13
Speaker 2: Personal yes, monument, he's obsessed with it. It also, you know,
23:17
Speaker 2: so it ties into the fact that he is not
23:19
Speaker 2: focused on your financial condition, as he told you out right.
23:22
Speaker 2: He's focused on this big monument to himself. You know,
23:25
Speaker 2: there's all kinds of Oh, we're going to get the
23:26
Speaker 2: donors in. No, actually the taxpayer is going to have
23:28
Speaker 2: to fund. And so it becomes this emblem of who
23:31
Speaker 2: he is and the way he operates. And there's a
23:33
Speaker 2: little bit of that with the reflecting pool too. It's like, Okay,
23:35
Speaker 2: he identifies this thing. Yeah, I'd be great if the
23:37
Speaker 2: reflecting pool was nice. Sure, you know, I'm for beautification
23:40
Speaker 2: of the Capitol. I think would be you know, I
23:41
Speaker 2: think that's lovely. But then he has to go about
23:44
Speaker 2: it in the dumbest and most narcissistic way. Right he
23:49
Speaker 2: hires this contractor. We can put this up on the screen.
23:52
Speaker 2: I mean, Soccer thought this was ai.
23:54
Speaker 1: This is no.
23:54
Speaker 2: Actually I actually thought Griffin said this looks like a
23:57
Speaker 2: soprano Season five to character literally does this is the
24:01
Speaker 2: guy he called my pool guy? Okay, brings him in, No,
24:03
Speaker 2: bid contract astronomical price thirteen fourteen million dollars to do
24:09
Speaker 2: this job.
24:10
Speaker 5: He has to have it done by his own birthday.
24:13
Speaker 2: So I think what clearly happened here is the process
24:16
Speaker 2: was rushed, did not consult with any experts. Apparently the
24:19
Speaker 2: color that he wanted it to be was a problem
24:21
Speaker 2: because it's darker and algae that attracts more warmth, and
24:24
Speaker 2: of course the algae loves that, so it has to
24:27
Speaker 2: be a rush job. The ceiling itself now obviously is
24:30
Speaker 2: like peeling off and people are grabbing pieces of it,
24:32
Speaker 2: et cetera. Very likely because it wasn't They didn't take
24:36
Speaker 2: the time to properly dry the whole thing out. It
24:38
Speaker 2: has to be completely dry, has to be primed and
24:40
Speaker 2: like cleaned extensively before you can do this. But since
24:43
Speaker 2: it had to be done by a certain time, they
24:45
Speaker 2: rushed it, and now it's a complete disaster. So you
24:48
Speaker 2: take something that's real, Okay, it'll be nice if the
24:50
Speaker 2: capitol was more beautiful and we could be more proud
24:52
Speaker 2: of you know this, and that was sure, take something
24:55
Speaker 2: and then do it in the worst, dumbest, most corrupt
24:57
Speaker 2: way and make everything way way worse.
25:00
Speaker 5: Have the whole thing be about you, by.
25:01
Speaker 2: The way, and now Sier to your point, all these
25:03
Speaker 2: right wingers are trying to gaslight because it is funny.
25:05
Speaker 2: You have all of these National reporters who are like
25:07
Speaker 2: going down with underwater cameras and doing.
25:09
Speaker 1: I means a mile away. I haven't been down to
25:13
Speaker 1: the National Mall in like a decade. When you live
25:15
Speaker 1: here and you know, people come from out of down
25:17
Speaker 1: I want to see them all go for it.
25:19
Speaker 5: Okay, but now I am kind of like I do
25:20
Speaker 5: kind of what's going on.
25:22
Speaker 2: It's all of these right wingers are like, are like,
25:27
Speaker 2: you guys care so much about this versus whatever other
25:30
Speaker 2: you know, their hobby horse of the day is spending
25:32
Speaker 2: so much more time on this.
25:33
Speaker 5: It's like Trump is the one who made this a thing.
25:37
Speaker 2: Okay, you were happy to talk all about spind all
25:40
Speaker 2: types of time talking about it, thinking about it that
25:43
Speaker 2: what's his name, brailin Holly hand went down and did
25:46
Speaker 2: a whole thing about you know, Oh, here's the beautiful
25:48
Speaker 2: reflecting pool, only dune. Trump magnificent gold make this happen.
25:52
Speaker 2: So you people are the ones who made this a thing,
25:54
Speaker 2: and now that it has gone sideways, you no longer
25:56
Speaker 2: want to talk about it.
25:57
Speaker 1: You know. That's the thing capital beautification love. I actually
26:00
Speaker 1: think we should have city beautification like there should be
26:02
Speaker 1: a national fund for example.
26:03
Speaker 5: I agree absolutely.
26:05
Speaker 1: The only problem is you can't fully Have you seen
26:07
Speaker 1: the g Watt memorial what happened? It's like a mobius
26:10
Speaker 1: strip of glass for the global War on Terror. It's
26:13
Speaker 1: beyond hideous. So my only thing is I don't fully
26:17
Speaker 1: trust these architectural review boards. Are these people who end
26:20
Speaker 1: up creating said memorials. But yeah, but it's like with
26:25
Speaker 1: the MLK. Remember that MLK statue that came out a
26:28
Speaker 1: few years ago. Yeah, we all do it. Let's forget
26:31
Speaker 1: and the g WAT thing. I don't really trust the experts,
26:34
Speaker 1: but we also, you know, should we should be? We
26:37
Speaker 1: should all agree yes with capital, not just capitol beautification,
26:41
Speaker 1: with beautification of all of our national cities. I think
26:43
Speaker 1: that would be a great use of funds. Actually, uh,
26:46
Speaker 1: because it would make it so that our flagship cities
26:50
Speaker 1: are awesome places to live and to visit. I'm totally
26:54
Speaker 1: cool with that. What I'm not cool with, you know,
26:56
Speaker 1: is even the current way it is going about. I'm
26:58
Speaker 1: not sure if you've seen is Meridian Hill Park, and
27:01
Speaker 1: this is very Washington, which is you know here I
27:03
Speaker 1: think it's also called like Malcolm X Park has this
27:05
Speaker 1: big fountain which had not worked for you know, several years.
27:08
Speaker 1: Trump got the fountain to work, and again everyone's like,
27:10
Speaker 1: oh my god, the fountain is working. Is awesome and
27:12
Speaker 1: it is beautiful. But you know, I found out the
27:14
Speaker 1: way that they're doing it is by siphoning those National
27:17
Speaker 1: Park entry entrance fees. It's not been appropriated by Congress,
27:21
Speaker 1: so I'm like, hey, no, like, you know, I went
27:23
Speaker 1: to a park recent, you know, you have paid twenty
27:25
Speaker 1: bucks or whatever to get in. They're using that. They're
27:28
Speaker 1: sipening fees off from the National Park Service for capital beautification,
27:32
Speaker 1: which okay, like I wouldn't care necessarily, but in the
27:35
Speaker 1: way that the budget works, it actually shorts some of
27:38
Speaker 1: the budgets for some of the other National parks, which
27:41
Speaker 1: you know, I don't want to short those. Those are
27:42
Speaker 1: those are awesome as well, you know, just as a
27:45
Speaker 1: Washington you know, I'd rather, honestly, I'd rather have Yosemite
27:47
Speaker 1: than whether the park, the fountain works or whatever in
27:51
Speaker 1: Malcolm X Park or Meridian Meridian Hill Park. Here in Washington.
27:55
Speaker 1: That just shows you that, you know, with the slap
27:56
Speaker 1: shot kind of way, this is all going down. But yeah, nonetheless,
28:00
Speaker 1: like you know, no one, no one would have cared
28:03
Speaker 1: about this if it wasn't for you. And so when
28:05
Speaker 1: you do a shitty job, yeah, it's going to turn
28:07
Speaker 1: it into a national story. Yeah.
28:09
Speaker 2: And the last thing put you for up on the screen.
28:11
Speaker 2: They actually arrested this dude, David Hearn. He's a former Olympian.
28:15
Speaker 5: Yeah, they're cleaning, which.
28:17
Speaker 1: I didn't know was a thing.
28:17
Speaker 5: But what's up.
28:18
Speaker 1: I didn't even know Olympic canoeing was a thing. Oh
28:20
Speaker 1: you didn't, but no, he's a three time canoe canoeing.
28:23
Speaker 5: And he was on a bike ride.
28:24
Speaker 2: So very physically fit gentlemen, apparently sixty seven years old,
28:27
Speaker 2: representing the US and three Summer Olympics. Cues of intentionally
28:31
Speaker 2: vandalizing the reflecting pool. Was seen reaching into the reflecting pool.
28:34
Speaker 2: He denies vandalizing it. I'm a curious citizen, he told
28:37
Speaker 2: the AP. I reached down to see what it felt like.
28:40
Speaker 2: It was very rubbery. So now we've got a crackdown,
28:44
Speaker 2: authoritary crackdown at the reflecting pool. You can you can
28:48
Speaker 2: look but you cannot touch. If you put your hand
28:51
Speaker 2: into this thing that is supposed to be public, public
28:54
Speaker 2: monument that we should have full access to, then you
28:57
Speaker 2: may well be arrested like this individual or you blasted
29:00
Speaker 2: from Trump buncher of social etc. I love that he's
29:03
Speaker 2: come up with some like you know, oh Antifa.
29:05
Speaker 5: Plot to destroy the reflecting pool or whatever is.
29:07
Speaker 2: What's going on here, instead of his own foolish, narcissistic incompetence.
29:12
Speaker 1: As will be. This will be the new sandwich guy.
29:15
Speaker 1: Oh sorry E five, I do have to show this
29:17
Speaker 1: one too. This was a tweet from the US Interior.
29:21
Speaker 1: This was several days ago June seventeen. Five days ago,
29:24
Speaker 1: the advanced nanobubbler technology very effectively killed the allergy that
29:30
Speaker 1: has plagued every reflecting pool reopening, most infamously Obama's reopening
29:34
Speaker 1: since nineteen twenty two. Again, I've lived here for a
29:37
Speaker 1: long time. I do not remember the quote reopening of
29:39
Speaker 1: Obama of the reflected pool. The reflecting pool water is
29:42
Speaker 1: crystal clear. Our National Park Service team is now vacuuming
29:46
Speaker 1: up the dead algae resting on the bottom of the
29:48
Speaker 1: reflecting pool, just like the destroyed Iranianity resting on the
29:52
Speaker 1: bottom of the Persian. Yeah, just a lot going on here.
29:55
Speaker 1: Five days later, by the way, five days later, Donald
29:58
Speaker 1: Trump announces I must drain the reflecting pool. So, by
30:02
Speaker 1: the way, when they drain it, then we're all going
30:04
Speaker 1: to see the amount of sea land and other stuff
30:07
Speaker 1: which is broken up. I hate that I'm invested in this,
30:09
Speaker 1: but I am. I guess it's like the ballroom. I
30:11
Speaker 1: just got a surrender. I'm into it. I'm into it.
30:13
Speaker 1: I'm gonna have to go taking the fam Look, we
30:15
Speaker 1: did the responsible thing.
30:16
Speaker 2: We put it towards the end of the show. Okay,
30:17
Speaker 2: we led with the importance.
30:19
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, but I hate to say it. I'm in.
30:22
Speaker 1: I'm in, guys, you got me. I'm into this. Okay,
30:26
Speaker 1: Ryan's coming in. They're going to do some candidate interviews.
30:28
Speaker 1: Let's get to it.
30:31
Speaker 2: There are a bunch of big primary contests in New
30:34
Speaker 2: York City that is happening Tomorrow's or a mom. Donnie,
30:37
Speaker 2: the mayor of course of that city, has endorsed a
30:39
Speaker 2: slate of candidates, and two of those candidates who have
30:42
Speaker 2: garnered his endorsement join us.
30:44
Speaker 8: Now.
30:45
Speaker 2: We have Claire Valdez, who is running in a Brooklyn
30:48
Speaker 2: and Queens Center district.
30:49
Speaker 5: And we also have.
30:50
Speaker 2: Daria A Lisa Avila Chevalier who is running in Northern
30:53
Speaker 2: Manhattan District where actually used to live.
30:55
Speaker 5: So know, they are quite well. Great to see you, ladies,
30:57
Speaker 5: Good to see you.
30:58
Speaker 7: Thanks for having us.
30:59
Speaker 5: Thank you, yeah, of course.
31:00
Speaker 2: So Claire, let me start with you, and then Dary Elazia.
31:03
Speaker 2: Darry Eliza, just also get your response. You know, how
31:06
Speaker 2: are you feeling going into election day? What do you
31:08
Speaker 2: see as the key issues coming down the stretch here?
31:12
Speaker 8: You know, I'm very excited. It's been a long campaign,
31:16
Speaker 8: but you know, I think the stakes are really high tomorrow.
31:18
Speaker 8: The stakes are high for the entire working class. We
31:21
Speaker 8: have the chance to elect some really amazing Congress members
31:25
Speaker 8: who will be out in front standing for the working class,
31:28
Speaker 8: fighting for a free Palestine, fighting for an affordable New York,
31:32
Speaker 8: and really doing incredible organizing in Congress but on the
31:36
Speaker 8: ground here in New York City. So I'm excited. You know,
31:39
Speaker 8: people are talking a lot about the cost of housing.
31:41
Speaker 8: This my district in New York seven, it's Brooklyn, Queens
31:44
Speaker 8: It's overwhelmingly a tenant district, and people are really feeling
31:48
Speaker 8: the crunch of rising rents.
31:49
Speaker 7: People are also.
31:51
Speaker 8: Outraged by the continuing genocide and Gaza and so there
31:55
Speaker 8: are a lot of issues motivating people right now to
31:57
Speaker 8: go to the polls and we'll see what happens tomorrow.
32:00
Speaker 5: And Dari, Liza, how about for you.
32:01
Speaker 6: Also feeling just incredible energy here on the ground. And
32:05
Speaker 6: it's just been just such a privilege and honor to
32:07
Speaker 6: be able to build a campaign.
32:09
Speaker 7: That is responsive to the working people of this district.
32:11
Speaker 7: I've had people.
32:12
Speaker 6: Thank us for running because they this is the first
32:15
Speaker 6: time that they have felt in over ninety years that
32:18
Speaker 6: someone was fighting to actually represent the interests of the
32:20
Speaker 6: working people who live here. And I think for so
32:23
Speaker 6: many of us, we have been told that a politics
32:26
Speaker 6: of cynicism was all that was that could exist. And
32:29
Speaker 6: to be able to present a vision where we're fighting
32:31
Speaker 6: for housing for all that is actually deeply affordable and
32:34
Speaker 6: dignified for the people who live here, making sure that
32:36
Speaker 6: we're fighting to abolish ice so that we don't have
32:39
Speaker 6: to live under the terror of this institution, and to
32:41
Speaker 6: make sure that we are using our resources to invest
32:44
Speaker 6: our tax money in our babies here at home instead
32:47
Speaker 6: of on bombs abroad.
32:48
Speaker 7: That are destroying communities.
32:49
Speaker 6: We need to be able to build affordable affordability here
32:53
Speaker 6: in the city, and we do that by making sure
32:54
Speaker 6: that our children can lead dignified lives, making sure that
32:57
Speaker 6: we can have dignified homes, and making sure that we
33:00
Speaker 6: have pathways the citizenship for so many in this community
33:03
Speaker 6: who are just very fearful right now.
33:06
Speaker 9: Both of you, as well as Brad Lander, who's running
33:09
Speaker 9: the New York Attentists, are kind of running on a
33:11
Speaker 9: Mayor Mamdanni backed slate in the city, and Mamdani is
33:15
Speaker 9: currently getting a lot of criticism for some comments that
33:17
Speaker 9: he made at a rally where he hit a pack
33:21
Speaker 9: for moving dark money into races behind vehicles that don't
33:24
Speaker 9: have kind of apax name on that want to play
33:28
Speaker 9: those comments, then kind of get your reaction to it.
33:30
Speaker 1: Let's roll Zoram Hamdani, for whom the only.
33:32
Speaker 10: Thing more frightening than democracy being allowed to run its
33:35
Speaker 10: course is an end to genocide. Netanyahu's wars. They move
33:48
Speaker 10: millions in dark money to accomplish a single goal, to
33:52
Speaker 10: preserve their power so that they can turn us against
33:55
Speaker 10: one another instead of our leaders turning towards the moral
34:00
Speaker 10: change we all know to be necessary in the politics
34:03
Speaker 10: that for too long has asked working people to lower
34:07
Speaker 10: their expectations, to settle for less, to become satisfied with
34:12
Speaker 10: small victories while our wages grow even smaller and our
34:15
Speaker 10: costs grow even larger, to resign ourselves, to resignation, to
34:20
Speaker 10: accept the unacceptable. In the wealthiest city, in the wealthiest
34:24
Speaker 10: country in the history of the world, we need not
34:27
Speaker 10: live in fear of monsters any longer.
34:30
Speaker 9: And for the context there, he started that clip by
34:33
Speaker 9: referring to that famous Gramsey line where they say the
34:36
Speaker 9: Old War, where he says the old world is dying,
34:38
Speaker 9: the new as yet to be born in the middle
34:40
Speaker 9: is the time of monsters. And so the criticism has
34:44
Speaker 9: been that he's calling a pack and then replacing a
34:48
Speaker 9: pack with Jewish New Yorker's monsters who are moving dark
34:51
Speaker 9: money around. How has that affected the campaign and can
34:56
Speaker 9: we get your speech to respond to that criticism?
35:01
Speaker 6: You know, I personally think it's it's bigger than just APEC.
35:04
Speaker 6: I think it's also a lot of money that's coming
35:07
Speaker 6: from corporations and right wing lobbies that are having an
35:11
Speaker 6: outsized impact in our democracy, and one where the only
35:15
Speaker 6: tool that we have as working people is to outorganize it.
35:19
Speaker 6: In my race in particular, there is over seven million
35:22
Speaker 6: dollars in outside spending being spent to smear me and
35:28
Speaker 6: deeply racist rhetoric, and my opponent has had folks, you know, surrogates,
35:33
Speaker 6: go do media tours and Dominican Republic to engage in
35:36
Speaker 6: a disinformation campaign that is not only.
35:40
Speaker 7: Just so deeply divisive and racist, but also.
35:44
Speaker 6: One that has really continued more of the politics of
35:49
Speaker 6: cynicism that we are fighting against, where instead of talking
35:53
Speaker 6: about the fact that housing is unaffordable in this district,
35:55
Speaker 6: we're talking that they're talking about, you know, just disinformation
36:00
Speaker 6: about my identity and about where my family comes from.
36:04
Speaker 6: Rather than talking about how we need to abolish ice,
36:06
Speaker 6: how we need to invest our tax dollars in our
36:09
Speaker 6: children here where we have a childhood poverty available for
36:11
Speaker 6: forty percent, they're talking, they're forcing our volunteers to have
36:18
Speaker 6: to engage in de escalation because their camp is getting
36:22
Speaker 6: aggressive with folks, And you know, I think.
36:25
Speaker 7: It really is.
36:28
Speaker 6: It's really hard to see how so many people have
36:31
Speaker 6: come into this campaign because they're building a politics that
36:35
Speaker 6: invest in hope and invest in life and see them
36:39
Speaker 6: wanting to focus on that, but then having to question,
36:42
Speaker 6: can I stay on this corner and continue to canvas safely?
36:45
Speaker 7: And you know, I.
36:46
Speaker 6: Think we're seeing a lot of what's appalling to me,
36:49
Speaker 6: a lot of Maga style tactics coming from a democratic
36:51
Speaker 6: incumbent that has been not only you know, concerning for
36:56
Speaker 6: the safety of our volunteers, for the the conversation that
37:00
Speaker 6: we're supposed to be having right now around affordability in
37:03
Speaker 6: the city, but also seeing the way that money is
37:06
Speaker 6: coming into this campaign to prevent folks from talking about
37:11
Speaker 6: the issues that actually impact the day to day lives
37:13
Speaker 6: that they lead.
37:13
Speaker 2: Here, Claire, let me get your reaction to Josh Gottheimer.
37:17
Speaker 2: If we can put F three up on the screen.
37:19
Speaker 2: This is the flavor of criticism that that Zoron quote received.
37:23
Speaker 2: He says, monsters, quote dark money, a hidden hand turning
37:27
Speaker 2: us against one another, swap a pack for Jews, and
37:30
Speaker 2: it's the oldest anti Semitic conspiracy theory in the books.
37:33
Speaker 2: That's not criticizing a lobby that's laundering anti semitism from
37:37
Speaker 2: your podium as mayor of a city with more than
37:39
Speaker 2: a million Jews.
37:40
Speaker 5: This bullshit is dangerous.
37:43
Speaker 2: Did you have any issue with the comments that Zoron
37:45
Speaker 2: made at that rally and what is your response to
37:48
Speaker 2: a representative gottheimer here?
37:50
Speaker 8: You know, what the mayor is talking about is super packs,
37:53
Speaker 8: you know, cropping up at the eleventh hour to dump
37:55
Speaker 8: millions to millions of dollars in not just these races,
37:57
Speaker 8: but in races across the country. That's that's what we're
38:00
Speaker 8: taking on right now.
38:01
Speaker 7: We're taking on corporate greed.
38:03
Speaker 8: We're taking on you know, a lobby that has been
38:07
Speaker 8: upholding and supporting a genocide in Gaza now for two
38:10
Speaker 8: and a half years. That has kept so many Democrats
38:13
Speaker 8: silent because they're worried about a donor base rather than
38:17
Speaker 8: worrying about human liberation and the dignity of human lives
38:21
Speaker 8: here in our communities and abroad. The mayor's calling that out,
38:25
Speaker 8: and I think we have to. You know what we
38:27
Speaker 8: and I know dari Leis and I have both experienced
38:29
Speaker 8: this is a profoundly undemocratic system in which the very
38:34
Speaker 8: wealthiest people, the most powerful corporations, conduct money into these elections,
38:39
Speaker 8: smear candidates who are running grassroots campaigns like we are,
38:43
Speaker 8: and really and turn the issues away from again. You know,
38:47
Speaker 8: the things that people really care about in these districts, housing,
38:51
Speaker 8: good union jobs, you know, fighting for a green new deal,
38:55
Speaker 8: the things that really matter to people's lives, and instead
38:58
Speaker 8: turn these into campaigns are about who has the most money.
39:02
Speaker 8: You know, we're running really grassroots campaigns. My campaign is
39:05
Speaker 8: nowd opped three hundred thousand doors across New York seven
39:07
Speaker 8: with four thousand volunteers, and we have to kind of,
39:13
Speaker 8: you know, take on these these corporate interests that have
39:16
Speaker 8: have derailed these campaigns and made them about things that
39:18
Speaker 8: are not relevant to our districts and really fight and
39:22
Speaker 8: censure the working class again.
39:24
Speaker 7: And sorry I can.
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Speaker 6: I also just add I think something that gets lost
39:28
Speaker 6: often is that APAC is a right wing lobby. It
39:31
Speaker 6: backs Republicans, it backs Donald Trump.
39:34
Speaker 7: It is pushing us towards war that nobody in this
39:37
Speaker 7: country wants.
39:38
Speaker 6: And to have Democrats accept money from a right wing
39:43
Speaker 6: lobby is deeply concerning, because how are we supposed to
39:47
Speaker 6: fight back against the fascism of Trump when we have
39:50
Speaker 6: a right wing lobby that is also.
39:52
Speaker 7: Funding democrats and incumbents.
39:54
Speaker 6: And I think, you know, if we are serious about
39:57
Speaker 6: taking our democracy back, if we're serious about creating a
40:00
Speaker 6: democratic party that the working class can actually identify with. Again,
40:04
Speaker 6: then we have to call out the way that right
40:06
Speaker 6: wing lobbies are putting money into the selection and these
40:11
Speaker 6: and again these are values that most.
40:13
Speaker 7: Jewish New Yorkers here actually vehemently disagree with.
40:16
Speaker 5: That's a great point.
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Speaker 9: Yeah, And just to be clear for the viewers, gottheimer
40:20
Speaker 9: there was talking about a pack moving dark money, and
40:23
Speaker 9: particularly entire Elisa's district. Adreno askediot his supporters set up
40:29
Speaker 9: a pack called Bold America Pack, which appeared to be
40:34
Speaker 9: linked to kind of Bold pack which is related to
40:36
Speaker 9: the Congressional Hispanic Caucus, which he shares. But then a
40:40
Speaker 9: Pax super pack sent millions of dollars into that pack,
40:44
Speaker 9: and then it's spent as if it was this other pack.
40:48
Speaker 9: So they are actively engaging in the politics of dark
40:52
Speaker 9: money and then objecting when it's called dark money.
40:55
Speaker 1: The other the other fissure that has really hit this.
40:57
Speaker 9: Campaign is around kind of brace and gentrification. I'm curious
41:01
Speaker 9: for both of your reaction to this, particularly Antonio Renoso,
41:05
Speaker 9: your opponent Claire has been saying, you know, he doesn't
41:09
Speaker 9: even feel comfortable at DSA meetings because these are it's
41:11
Speaker 9: not representative of the district. And Esbaat has been gone gone,
41:16
Speaker 9: his supporters have gone kind of way over the top
41:19
Speaker 9: compared to even that. But Claire, I'm just curious to
41:22
Speaker 9: take what is the what is kind of what is
41:26
Speaker 9: your reaction to this claim that your support is really
41:29
Speaker 9: just organized around kind of gentrifiers.
41:32
Speaker 8: I mean, I think this movement is about bringing as
41:35
Speaker 8: many people as possible to get there, to fight against
41:38
Speaker 8: bad landlords, against our corporate oligarchy. And what unites us
41:42
Speaker 8: as working people in New York City is the fact
41:45
Speaker 8: that we have to pay higher rents, we have long commutes,
41:48
Speaker 8: or hours are long, our wages are stagnant, and that
41:51
Speaker 8: affects everyone, no matter if you were born and raised here,
41:55
Speaker 8: if your family was raised here, or if you just arrived.
41:58
Speaker 8: And you know this politics have kind of divide and
42:00
Speaker 8: conquer the working class. We've experienced these before. You know
42:04
Speaker 8: this is like Boss one o one. Our campaign is
42:07
Speaker 8: about centering the needs of working people in New York
42:09
Speaker 8: seven who right now are really feeling the squeeze from
42:12
Speaker 8: all sides. That's why I'm not taking any money from
42:16
Speaker 8: real estate developers, for example, who have pushed so many
42:19
Speaker 8: people of our of our communities out. I've raised our rents,
42:23
Speaker 8: have displaced so many because I want to fight for tenants.
42:25
Speaker 7: I want to fight for.
42:26
Speaker 8: People who call this these neighborhoods our home. And again,
42:29
Speaker 8: you know, the difference that we're seeing right now is
42:32
Speaker 8: not like if you got here forty years ago, if
42:35
Speaker 8: you just arrived at the differences, can you afford to
42:37
Speaker 8: live in these neighborhoods? And for so many people right now,
42:40
Speaker 8: the answer is just is no. So this campaign is
42:43
Speaker 8: again we're building a movement within this campaign to unite
42:47
Speaker 8: people across you know, Brooklyn Queens, to fight for an
42:50
Speaker 8: affordable New York, to fight for peace and security and
42:53
Speaker 8: dignity for the entire working class, whether you live in
42:56
Speaker 8: Ridgewood or Ratha. And that's that's something I'm incredibly proud of.
43:00
Speaker 2: Just for the audience to understand the race dynamics a
43:02
Speaker 2: little bit more, Claire's running in a district. It's an
43:05
Speaker 2: open seat. Nindia of Alaskaz is retiring her opponent. Her
43:09
Speaker 2: main opponent is Antonio and Renosa, who was endorsed by
43:12
Speaker 2: Nitdia of Alaskaz. So that's an open seat for Dary Liza.
43:16
Speaker 2: She's challenging a Democratic incumbent whose his name is Adrano Espaiat.
43:22
Speaker 2: And you've referenced a couple of times, Sary Lisa, how
43:24
Speaker 2: he's using these sort of maga tactics, you know, making
43:28
Speaker 2: some ugly claims about your identity and your family. Can
43:31
Speaker 2: you just explain the dynamics there and your response to
43:34
Speaker 2: what he's been up to and what his campaign has
43:36
Speaker 2: been pushing.
43:37
Speaker 1: Yeah.
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Speaker 7: Absolutely.
43:38
Speaker 6: You know, we know that he has surrogates engaging in
43:40
Speaker 6: these sphear campaigns in the Dominican Republic, spreading disinformation and
43:45
Speaker 6: just sowing deep division in this community. And you know,
43:49
Speaker 6: to you know, this question of like this this gentrification
43:52
Speaker 6: question where he is complaining about the changing demographics in
43:57
Speaker 6: this district without acknowledging that he has been in power,
44:01
Speaker 6: in political power for over nine years in Congress, but
44:05
Speaker 6: almost thirty years first in the state legislature and then
44:09
Speaker 6: in the federal government. And so I think it's very
44:11
Speaker 6: rich actually to hear someone who has held political power
44:15
Speaker 6: for this long then complain about the impact of his
44:19
Speaker 6: policies on the changing demographics in this district and the electorate.
44:24
Speaker 7: And I think what we're seeing right now is that citywide.
44:27
Speaker 6: People are struggling to afford to be able to stay here,
44:30
Speaker 6: and that is part of why I think the demographics
44:33
Speaker 6: are changing. And rather than addressing his record and his
44:37
Speaker 6: role in that change, he is now engaging in a
44:40
Speaker 6: smear campaign that's attacking not any policy that I've proposed,
44:44
Speaker 6: not my platform, but me as an individual, as a
44:47
Speaker 6: human being. Where now we have my team and I
44:51
Speaker 6: were dealing with an onslaught of degrading and dehumanizing rhetoric
44:56
Speaker 6: under all of my social media. We are facing, you know,
45:00
Speaker 6: a lot of verbal harassment every time we go out,
45:04
Speaker 6: and our volunteers who are just here to be part
45:07
Speaker 6: of their democracy are also having to to, you know,
45:11
Speaker 6: think about how to be de escalatory. And I think,
45:15
Speaker 6: you know, that's just it's just such a deep affront
45:18
Speaker 6: to our democracy right to see that kind of maga
45:20
Speaker 6: style politics, to discourage people from being part of their
45:24
Speaker 6: own election right and make them fearful. You know, that
45:29
Speaker 6: is the antithesis of what a democracy is supposed to be.
45:33
Speaker 9: Diar, Liza, the thing that your opponent has really been
45:35
Speaker 9: hitting you on is digging up some of your kind
45:38
Speaker 9: of older, more aggressive ultra tweets, and you've sort of
45:42
Speaker 9: apologized for some of them, explained some other ones. And
45:45
Speaker 9: I'm curious if, as you're running for office now, your
45:49
Speaker 9: politics are roughly the same as they were then, but
45:51
Speaker 9: you kind of regret some of the phrasing that was
45:54
Speaker 9: that in a decontextualized space is difficult for people who
45:58
Speaker 9: aren't as online to understand what going on or if
46:00
Speaker 9: you or if your politics have evolved a bit over
46:03
Speaker 9: the past few years, like how would you how would
46:05
Speaker 9: you describe yourself compared to your kind of previous self
46:10
Speaker 9: to voter groups.
46:11
Speaker 6: You know, my values have always been around human dignity,
46:14
Speaker 6: around justice, around accountability. And I think what's changed is
46:19
Speaker 6: that I've just grown, I've matured, I've my nuance in
46:23
Speaker 6: the number of these things has has deepened, but my
46:26
Speaker 6: values are at their core still there. And I think
46:30
Speaker 6: the frustration that I felt when I said a lot
46:35
Speaker 6: of those things is something that is reflective of a
46:38
Speaker 6: failure of our larger systems, where so many people just
46:41
Speaker 6: feel deeply unheard and powerless to engage with our political system.
46:46
Speaker 6: And you know, one of the things that I've been
46:48
Speaker 6: thinking a lot through through this campaign is how you
46:52
Speaker 6: know his His tactic has been to what one decontextualize
46:59
Speaker 6: a lot of what I said, but also it's near
47:03
Speaker 6: my character and myself as a person, right, rather than
47:06
Speaker 6: focusing on his record and what he has done to this.
47:08
Speaker 7: Community and failed to do for this community.
47:11
Speaker 6: And it's more of that politics of distraction because he
47:15
Speaker 6: knows that he cannot answer to the question, the very
47:18
Speaker 6: basic question that I have posed, and I've had the
47:20
Speaker 6: audacity to ask with this campaign, which is what has
47:23
Speaker 6: improved for the lives of New Yorkers here in New
47:25
Speaker 6: York thirteen in the nine years that he has been
47:27
Speaker 6: in Congress, because he can't.
47:29
Speaker 2: Answer that, Daria Lisa, we have one of the images
47:32
Speaker 2: of one of the mailers that's going around that is
47:34
Speaker 2: based on one of those tweets. We can f four
47:37
Speaker 2: guys who can put this up on the screen. It
47:39
Speaker 2: has a picture of you. It says f Kamala Harris,
47:43
Speaker 2: a real quote from a tweet that she deleted. You
47:47
Speaker 2: were mentioning you felt that some of these sentiments were decontextualized.
47:51
Speaker 2: What was the context when you tweeted this and how
47:54
Speaker 2: do you feel about that in retrospect?
47:56
Speaker 5: And did you vote for Kamla Harris.
47:57
Speaker 2: You know, how did you think about the dynamics of
47:59
Speaker 2: this past the way I should I did?
48:01
Speaker 6: You know, I, despite my criticisms, I'm one of those
48:05
Speaker 6: folks who has had to save the Democratic Party from itself, right,
48:09
Speaker 6: one of the many black and brown people, black and
48:11
Speaker 6: brown women in particular, who have you know, deep criticisms
48:15
Speaker 6: of these social systems and yet have to come out
48:18
Speaker 6: and vote to save the Democratic Party from this fascism
48:22
Speaker 6: that we're facing with Trump, right. And in that if
48:26
Speaker 6: I remember correctly, in that context, I was critical of
48:28
Speaker 6: the language that Vice President Harris was using to tell
48:33
Speaker 6: immigrants to not come into this country. And as someone
48:36
Speaker 6: who's been organizing for immigration justice for most of my
48:40
Speaker 6: adult life, you know, I just find it traveling when
48:45
Speaker 6: folks in power tell some of the most disempowered people
48:49
Speaker 6: in our society in the planet right that they should
48:53
Speaker 6: not be working towards or not be fighting to lead
48:57
Speaker 6: dignified lives for them and their children. And you know,
49:00
Speaker 6: I do regret the tweet, and I regret the language
49:03
Speaker 6: I think, especially running this campaign and seeing the type
49:07
Speaker 6: of language that people feel so comfortable using against me
49:11
Speaker 6: and against you know, folks who are supporting me.
49:15
Speaker 7: I think we need to make sure.
49:17
Speaker 6: That we are engaging and using language that people can
49:20
Speaker 6: actually hear and receive, right, particularly when we have strong criticisms,
49:24
Speaker 6: particularly when the stakes are so high. And as an organizer,
49:29
Speaker 6: it's deeply important to me that we are using language
49:32
Speaker 6: that is unifying, that people can feel that they can
49:34
Speaker 6: be brought into even when they have to face the
49:38
Speaker 6: hard music of accountability, right, and knowing that, like our
49:42
Speaker 6: actions are sometimes fall short. Right, And but that is
49:46
Speaker 6: what it means to be accountable, is to be able
49:48
Speaker 6: to hear the criticism, move different and move differently right,
49:51
Speaker 6: and be responsive to community.
49:53
Speaker 7: And one of the.
49:54
Speaker 6: Things that has really been coming to mind a lot
49:57
Speaker 6: throughout this campaign is the focus on these tweets, right,
50:01
Speaker 6: And I will apologize for them as long as I
50:05
Speaker 6: have to for folks to understand how deeply regretful I am.
50:10
Speaker 7: And I also have to ask, why is it that
50:12
Speaker 7: my opponent.
50:13
Speaker 6: Whose policies, whose votes, whose record has harmed so much
50:18
Speaker 6: of our community, still goes why his accountability hasn't come
50:23
Speaker 6: Why is it that he has not answered any of
50:25
Speaker 6: the questions that have been posed to him about his record?
50:28
Speaker 6: On arming a country committee a genocide, on making sure
50:32
Speaker 6: that or lacking the ability to make sure that our
50:36
Speaker 6: tax dollars actually come back home to addressed childhood poverty,
50:39
Speaker 6: the fact that he has taken hundreds of thousands from
50:42
Speaker 6: the corporate real estate developers that are pressing us out
50:44
Speaker 6: while our living conditions are deeply undignified in this district.
50:48
Speaker 6: And so this question of accountability is deeply important to
50:51
Speaker 6: me because we deserve leadership that is accountable to the
50:55
Speaker 6: community here.
50:56
Speaker 2: Well, I know one of the tweets had to do
50:58
Speaker 2: with you responding to I think it was Mike huck
51:00
Speaker 2: could Be's encouragement of using corn cobs for toilet paper,
51:03
Speaker 2: and I personally think you should stand.
51:04
Speaker 5: By that one.
51:05
Speaker 2: That one I would recommend no apologies needed, Claire.
51:10
Speaker 5: Last question to you here.
51:11
Speaker 2: You started off talking about the stakes of this election day,
51:15
Speaker 2: you know, not only in your district, but in other
51:18
Speaker 2: districts in New York City, and I think really election
51:21
Speaker 2: season across the country. But you know, Zoron did sort
51:24
Speaker 2: of put his political capital here on the line for
51:27
Speaker 2: the two of you and for Brad Lander. We all
51:29
Speaker 2: know what you know, sort of mainstream Democrats and establishment
51:33
Speaker 2: types will say if if you all are not successful,
51:36
Speaker 2: So just underscore what do you think are the stakes
51:39
Speaker 2: here and what has it meant to your campaign that
51:42
Speaker 2: Zoron decided to get behind you?
51:46
Speaker 8: Absolutely well, you know, I think we know of the
51:48
Speaker 8: kind of media establishment is going to say after this election,
51:52
Speaker 8: win or lose, this will be some referendum on Zoron.
51:56
Speaker 8: But the stakes are high for the working class. You know,
52:00
Speaker 8: these races are about are we going to be able
52:03
Speaker 8: to set the tone for the Democratic Party in the
52:05
Speaker 8: years going forward? Are we going to be able to,
52:07
Speaker 8: let you know, organizers who will stand up against the
52:10
Speaker 8: genocide as it's happening, will call for the end of
52:14
Speaker 8: us publicity and that genocide, will fight for the working
52:17
Speaker 8: people in our communities who are struggling against an affordability crisis,
52:22
Speaker 8: or struggling against ice, are struggling to lead lives of
52:25
Speaker 8: dignity under a fascist administration. Can we change the direction
52:31
Speaker 8: of the Democratic Party and can we win back the
52:33
Speaker 8: working class of this country? You know, that's really what's
52:35
Speaker 8: at stake in this election. We are here to prove
52:39
Speaker 8: that the elections or Momdani was not some flash in
52:42
Speaker 8: the pan, It wasn't a fluke.
52:44
Speaker 7: This is a movement.
52:45
Speaker 8: It is a strong and durable movement and working people
52:48
Speaker 8: who are tired of being told to wait, who are
52:51
Speaker 8: tired of being told that Democrats are fighting for us
52:54
Speaker 8: when they're just not. We're going to set the tone
52:58
Speaker 8: for the Democratic Party.
52:59
Speaker 7: And we know that.
53:00
Speaker 8: You know, people are watching these races very closely all
53:03
Speaker 8: over the country. They're watching these races to see if
53:05
Speaker 8: they can pour you know, dark money into other progress
53:09
Speaker 8: you know, against other progressive candidates. They're watching these races
53:11
Speaker 8: to see if if standing up against a genocide is
53:18
Speaker 8: a winning messager a losing message, and they will take
53:20
Speaker 8: that to heart. So we really what's at stake right
53:23
Speaker 8: now is incredibly important.
53:25
Speaker 1: If you believe in these.
53:26
Speaker 8: Races, if you want to see a succeed, if you
53:28
Speaker 8: want to see this movement succeed. You know, there are
53:30
Speaker 8: a lot of opportunities to come out to volunteer phone bank.
53:34
Speaker 8: It's a rainy day in New York City. People are
53:36
Speaker 8: going to be at home. Now is the perfect time
53:38
Speaker 8: to call them and ask for their vote plans. And
53:41
Speaker 8: we have a world to win. It doesn't end on
53:43
Speaker 8: June twenty third, It continues long after, but These races
53:47
Speaker 8: are an essential part of organizing working class people in
53:51
Speaker 8: New York City to demand exactly what we're owed from
53:53
Speaker 8: the bosses and the billionaires who are trying to reign
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Speaker 8: on our parade right now. And when organized people come together,
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Speaker 8: we win.
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Speaker 10: Well.
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Speaker 2: We will put both of your campaign info in the
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Speaker 2: description so people can get involved here in the final
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Speaker 2: days if they are so interested and really appreciate both
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Speaker 2: of you taking some time out. I know how busy
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Speaker 2: you must be today, so thank you so much for
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Speaker 2: making some time for us.
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Speaker 7: Thank you both, it was great being here. Thank you again.
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Speaker 2: All Right, That does it for us today, A jam
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Speaker 2: Pack show as usual. We'll have another one for you tomorrow,
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Speaker 2: me and Sager in studio.
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Speaker 5: See you then,