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Geoff Schwartz on Iowa winning the Joe Moore Award, Should Michigan hire Whittingham (?), Does Puka Nacua need an off-field coach (?) + m... · The Sean O'Connell Show

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Speaker 1: You're tuned to The Sean O'Connell Show for the Murdoch
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Speaker 2: Sean O'Connell Show on a Tuesday, our last live show
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Speaker 2: before we take a little Christmas break. We will have
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Speaker 2: classic Utah football games on the twenty twenty one PAC
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Speaker 2: twelve Championship game, which is the favorite of our next guest,
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Speaker 2: Jeff Schwartz, who of course is an Oregon Duck and
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Speaker 2: a football insider. Jeff, Welcome to the show. How are you.
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Speaker 3: That's the game that I assume we lost, Correct, that's
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Speaker 3: the one we lost.
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Speaker 2: That's the one you lost. We're not going to play
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Speaker 2: the one that Oregon demolished Utah defensive front.
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Speaker 3: Yeah. That, you know is so funny looking back on that. Yeah,
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Speaker 3: that bowl game, that was the package. That was the
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Speaker 3: year that Mario you know, was talking to Miami. It's
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Speaker 3: kind of funny looking back at that time and we're
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Speaker 3: seeing it now with some of these bowl games or
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Speaker 3: the end of season things like when your coach is,
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Speaker 3: you know, talking to another team. It's just it's just
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Speaker 3: sort of hard to focus in that game as much
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Speaker 3: as you try and and you guys are better. Thus
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Speaker 3: you beat us early the year two. It wasn't that's
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Speaker 3: not why we lost. But you hear from players after
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Speaker 3: it was over, it's like, yeah, our coaching staff will
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Speaker 3: sort of focus on other things. It's not great, but
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Speaker 3: it is what the sport is because the calendar is
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Speaker 3: set up in that way where you got to make
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Speaker 3: that move quickly. Man, there's no time to wait.
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Speaker 2: Look, we already aired our grievance with you and the
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Speaker 2: Joe Moore Committee for excluding Utah from the list of finalists.
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Speaker 2: But I thought that that would be the end of it.
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Speaker 2: And the Utah fans are really up in arms about
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Speaker 2: the fact that Iowa won this award.
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Speaker 3: Well, I thought Organs should have won. So how do
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Speaker 3: you think I feel. We've been three time runner up,
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Speaker 3: we've been second place three straight years, and we've had
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Speaker 3: the number one offense you according to EPA for three
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Speaker 3: years running now, and we can't win the Joe Moore Award. Look,
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Speaker 3: here's uh, here's the deal. First of all, we watch
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Speaker 3: all the films, So people accusing us of watching the
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Speaker 3: film don't watch the film. Is you might disagree with
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Speaker 3: with the film results that we put out, but we
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Speaker 3: do watch the film. That's why it kind of bothers
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Speaker 3: me because that's like one of the things that well,
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Speaker 3: I mean, we actually watch too much film. Sometimes I'm like, guys,
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Speaker 3: this team's not gonna Why are we wasting our time
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Speaker 3: watching this team and not gonna be in it? At
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Speaker 3: the end, I think the thing that just from you know,
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Speaker 3: I'm on, I'm on these calls with Iowa is the consistency,
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Speaker 3: the technique. I know, people get caught up in the stats, right,
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Speaker 3: and I get why we do, right, It's what we
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Speaker 3: have available to us. But the film, you know this, right,
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Speaker 3: like the Eye and the Sky never lies, and it
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Speaker 3: is normally not as good, normally not as bad. But
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Speaker 3: we get to why, and when it comes down to
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Speaker 3: the very end choosing finalists, choosing some of my final list,
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Speaker 3: we hone on everything right, consistency, technique, finish and y'all
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Speaker 3: went back and watched some Utah today just because I
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Speaker 3: saw the I knew it was coming on. I just
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Speaker 3: wanted to double check on something that I had in
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Speaker 3: my notes, like just the example, like Iowa and Oregon
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Speaker 3: were the two best teams at knocking defenders down. I
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Speaker 3: wouldn't watch the Utah Kansas game. Not a lot of
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Speaker 3: bodies on the ground like that stuff. When we're differentiating
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Speaker 3: between like good teams, great teams, who's in who's not.
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Speaker 3: Little things like that matter, right. I know people were
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Speaker 3: said about it when I talked about the scheme things
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Speaker 3: right with Utah, And again those matter because when we're
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Speaker 3: differentiating between what offense lines asked to do right, and
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Speaker 3: when you have an offense that sort of messes with
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Speaker 3: defenses right, it's a little bit easier. I'm not saying
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Speaker 3: it's easy. Play of offense try to do that and
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Speaker 3: they don't do it versus other offenses that just kind
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Speaker 3: of run the ball right at you and say we're
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Speaker 3: gonna do it. We don't care that you're Again, I
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Speaker 3: thought Iowa wasn't the best team. I thought it was
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Speaker 3: organ And the last thing on this that I that
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Speaker 3: really frustrates me just in general about how offensive line
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Speaker 3: plays discussed. This bothers me about NFL all Pro voting,
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Speaker 3: which I have an issue with the way the voters
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Speaker 3: do it in that and also with I think college
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Speaker 3: football is we don't value pass protection enough. And that's
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Speaker 3: where to me, Oregon was the winner because what they're
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Speaker 3: asked to do. It's five on five. It's professional past protection,
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Speaker 3: no slides, no running backs, no chips, it's just unversus
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Speaker 3: got in front of you with added one linebacker in there,
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Speaker 3: and it's high leverage. It's empty protections. Like all the
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Speaker 3: things that make it really hard to do. They put
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Speaker 3: on that offensive line. Iowa just didn't have as many
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Speaker 3: reps and I think eighty less reps. I do think
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Speaker 3: what hurts teams like Oregon and like Utah in the
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Speaker 3: end is that Iowa was. It looked very familiar to
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Speaker 3: past winners. This is a flaw and I think in
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Speaker 3: our system, and I've said this to the group before.
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Speaker 3: You know, college football is not what it was seven, eight,
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Speaker 3: nine years ago. Teams are out a shotgun, teams are
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Speaker 3: running different plays. It's not going to look like it
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Speaker 3: did years ago. The off of the position is changing,
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Speaker 3: first of all, the sports changing. But you put in
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Speaker 3: the Iowa film, it takes you right back to two
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Speaker 3: thousand and seven, like, guess is what they do right?
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Speaker 3: So again I thought Orgon should have won. You know,
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Speaker 3: it is what it is in Iowa won, and you
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Speaker 3: know that's the process. But we watch all the film,
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Speaker 3: but I disagree with the end result everyone, but I
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Speaker 3: promise you the film gets watched.
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Speaker 2: So the final distribution of the award is it just
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Speaker 2: is it like a Heisman vote where you put in
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Speaker 2: your top three many how many guys are voting? Uh?
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Speaker 3: Well we have our committee is ever evolving, but I
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Speaker 3: think it's about ten of us. Might be twelve. Yeah,
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Speaker 3: it's what you've one, two, three. The semi finalists are
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Speaker 3: chosen to the finals are chosen, often by a vote.
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Speaker 3: Sometimes we get along two hour call. We talk through
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Speaker 3: all the teams and we go one by one and
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Speaker 3: yay or day and you know, are they in? Er
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Speaker 3: they out? Do we have? Do we put two teams?
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Speaker 3: Do we put four teams? Or put three teams? What's
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Speaker 3: the differentiating factor? You cluster teams together a lot of
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Speaker 3: times where you cluster them and say, okay, if this
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Speaker 3: team makes it in, that these two have to make
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Speaker 3: it in also, right, because sometimes teams are very closely related.
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Speaker 3: So we thought that these three were the best three.
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Speaker 3: If let's say you put in Utah, does that mean
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Speaker 3: you have to put in two other teams that are
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Speaker 3: like Utah? Right? They great about the same in our
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Speaker 3: in our eyes. So that's it makes it difficult sort
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Speaker 3: of where the cutoff line is. I'm always in favor
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Speaker 3: of less teams in any of the lists. By the way,
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Speaker 3: I'm probably the only person in the room that continues
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Speaker 3: to say that every year on the guys we too
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Speaker 3: many teams, like we should have less teams. But that's
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Speaker 3: where we end up on And you know, again, you
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Speaker 3: you might not like the result, but you can't question
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Speaker 3: the people on the panel because we're some of the best.
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Speaker 3: To watch the film and if I off it's a
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Speaker 3: line play, and I think the analytics part of it
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Speaker 3: well is certainly important, doesn't take into account a lot
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Speaker 3: of the things that we look at. That's why the
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Speaker 3: film's important because and we just voted off PFF or
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Speaker 3: anyone else, we get a much of a result every year.
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Speaker 2: Who should we blame for USC, Notre Dame going away USC?
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Speaker 3: Well, I mean, of course we blame USC. They're they're scared,
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Speaker 3: you know, as everyone has sort of said, like Keyshawn
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Speaker 3: and Petros and all these guys, former USC guys, they're
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Speaker 3: not running by the school's not run by USC people,
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Speaker 3: and it's run by people that in my opinion, don't
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Speaker 3: care about tradition, don't care about their former players, don't
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Speaker 3: care about anything. But I guess try to make the playoff, right,
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Speaker 3: I mean, you're I guess that's the goal here, right,
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Speaker 3: to make the player for USC. But suchially iconic robbery.
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Speaker 3: I think that the times it hasn't played last one
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Speaker 3: hundred years were like World Wars one and two and
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Speaker 3: COVID and now Lincoln Riley, like those are like the
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Speaker 3: four reasons why it hasn't been played. Look, USC killed
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Speaker 3: the PAC twelve, they killed this rivalry, like they're just
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Speaker 3: sort of decide. I guess they want to do their
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Speaker 3: own thing and maybe maybe they go independent next. I
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Speaker 3: don't know, man, But did you see that the Big
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Speaker 3: ten just scout just kind of skewered them today because
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Speaker 3: they claimed that this was done because nore Dame gets
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Speaker 3: automatic you'll play a playoff spot if the Right to
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Speaker 3: Talk twelve. But I think it is ridiculous. We all
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Speaker 3: think that that's ridiculous. They claimed that that new information
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Speaker 3: is why they backed out of the game. And then
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Speaker 3: it was announced or reported that the Big Ten said
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Speaker 3: that all the schools knew about this memory of understanding
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Speaker 3: like a year ago and so canceling the game based
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Speaker 3: off of that is not really accurate. So I don't know, man,
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Speaker 3: I think that USC is just scared with that said point.
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Speaker 3: They won this game six the last seven years they
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Speaker 3: would play it, but that they don't win the game anymore.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think you're right. And you when you look
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Speaker 2: at a game, regardless of when it's going to be
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Speaker 2: played against a you know, a top team, that is
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Speaker 2: it's either a quality win or it's a forgivable loss.
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Speaker 2: And they don't want to deal with the forgivable loss
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Speaker 2: because they think they're gonna lose, so they don't believe
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Speaker 2: they can get a quality win and they take it
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Speaker 2: off the schedule.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, they're they're Look, I mean, I think the program
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Speaker 3: is soft. I've said this for two, three, four years now.
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Speaker 3: I don't think it's a it's a tough program. It's
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Speaker 3: not what Pete Carroll's us. He was, And as long
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Speaker 3: as the people that are in charge need to be
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Speaker 3: in charge, let's continue the way they operate. And they're
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Speaker 3: not making a playoff next year. It's not gonna help them.
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Speaker 3: It's not gonna help them at all. But maybe they
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Speaker 3: think they can. I just disagree that there would be
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Speaker 3: a playoff team next year. Who's Michigan gonna hire? So
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Speaker 3: it was un serious. The other morning, actually, I filled
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Speaker 3: on Big ten for the first time all year. I
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Speaker 3: was like, shock, got the tag at the calls. Oh, sure,
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Speaker 3: well surprised.
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Speaker 2: We are told when the PAC twelve networked out that
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Speaker 2: we'd have a lot of filling opportunities.
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Speaker 3: I was like, I was like, wow, he remembered who
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Speaker 3: I was. So we're talking about the Michigan thing. And
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Speaker 3: I said, Kyle Whittyham right as an option, And that's
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Speaker 3: what That's what we got that text from from our
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Speaker 3: old pendercer Dan Lynch about it. Look, I mean, I
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Speaker 3: think if you're looking for someone who is just going
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Speaker 3: to clean the program up and no nonsense and make
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Speaker 3: sure that things are done correctly and things are done
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Speaker 3: in a professional manner and you're going to play good football,
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Speaker 3: I think he would be the call you make. I
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Speaker 3: don't think he's their first choice, and I don't know
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Speaker 3: if Kywoodeham wants the Michigan job right, But I just
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Speaker 3: find it interesting that it seems very clear that he's
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Speaker 3: not done coaching, right because as soon as the retirement
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Speaker 3: or me the announcement came out that he was leaving
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Speaker 3: his job. We got to, you know, a tweet two
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Speaker 3: seconds later like he's actually, he's.
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Speaker 2: Not retiring, He's not retiring. Well, he's he's since twice
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Speaker 2: now been in front of a microphone and and supported
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Speaker 2: that notion that no, I'm not retiring this, We're gonna
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Speaker 2: see what's next. He is not committing to yeah, coaching
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Speaker 2: next year or anything like that, but he's effectively saying no,
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Speaker 2: I'm I haven't decided to retire.
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Speaker 3: Right, So that may so that must be curious because
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Speaker 3: I think I think that's what Michigan needs. They need him.
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Speaker 3: Now does he want that job? I don't know, you know,
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Speaker 3: des probably Underwood stay. There's a lot of questions about
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Speaker 3: what the job is. But that to me, if you're
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Speaker 3: looking for a guy who's gonna not gonna he's not
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Speaker 3: gonna have scandals, right, He's not gonna sleep with an intern,
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Speaker 3: he's not gonna be any thing. Is that he's not
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Speaker 3: gonna have recruiting violations that end up causing your team to,
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Speaker 3: you know, to to lose games or get in trouble.
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Speaker 3: It's not gonna happen with Kyl. And then you add,
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Speaker 3: and of course I think I think his style of
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Speaker 3: coaching is what Michigan wants, right. They want physicality and
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Speaker 3: discipline and toughness and all the things that that make,
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Speaker 3: you know, the makes coach winningham Uh one of the
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Speaker 3: our coaches in our sport and one that's been successful
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Speaker 3: in Utah all these years.
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Speaker 2: Does Puka Nakua need off the field coaching or is
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Speaker 2: he talented enough that the low level scandals he's involved
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Speaker 2: himself in are not going to really damage him from
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Speaker 2: a contractual standpoint or from a standing with the team standpoint.
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Speaker 3: You know, that's a good question, they often say, right like,
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Speaker 3: if you're you know, you're if your talents your problems,
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Speaker 3: you're you're fine. As soon as your your problems out
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Speaker 3: with your talent, your and you're in big trouble. Right.
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Speaker 3: And the thing that I worry about with him is
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Speaker 3: not not Obviously he's very talented, and I don't think
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Speaker 3: that's going away a time soon, But I think it's
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Speaker 3: worth sort of talking about where this is headed, right, Like,
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Speaker 3: if you start associating yourself with this with these people
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Speaker 3: that don't have your best interest in mind, right, Their
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Speaker 3: their job is to get streaming views and to get
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Speaker 3: you to say things that you probably regret. In the end,
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Speaker 3: there's no consequence for any of these streamers if he
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Speaker 3: says something dumb to them, right, all, he get his views,
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Speaker 3: they make money. He loses his career off of it.
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Speaker 3: They're not his friends, right And I think it would
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Speaker 3: be smart for someone of the RAMS to get in
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Speaker 3: his ear, his agent, someone to be like, hey, man,
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Speaker 3: like this just is not good for business to associate
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Speaker 3: yourself with these streamers. I'm very glad he apologized for
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Speaker 3: the or at least not apologize, but at least acknowledge
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Speaker 3: that doing that jewish, greedy, Jewish money dance is probably
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Speaker 3: not the smartest thing to do if he had scored
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Speaker 3: a touchdown, which you did in that game against Seattle.
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Speaker 3: But it just it just seems like these are the
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Speaker 3: wrong decisions to make for a person in his career
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Speaker 3: path to hang out with with streamers that don't help
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Speaker 3: his career at all. He should be all about just
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Speaker 3: doing what's best to get himself the most money and
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Speaker 3: you know, propriably provide for his face family. It just
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Speaker 3: feels like this is not the best way to do
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Speaker 3: that in the end.
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Speaker 2: Well, It's really interesting because we saw, you know, like
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Speaker 2: he's coming off of that streaming appearance where he was
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Speaker 2: I think somewhat led down a bad path and had
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Speaker 2: to apologize for it.
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Speaker 3: This is the point, like there's no there's no consequence
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Speaker 3: for the other guys.
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Speaker 2: But it was really fascinating to see immediately postgame, right
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Speaker 2: and then he then he has an unbelievable game, two
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Speaker 2: hundred and twenty five yards, a couple of touchdowns. He
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Speaker 2: has an unbelievable game, and his coach goes in front
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Speaker 2: of a microphone and the first question is about, hey,
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Speaker 2: he's tweeting about the refs, and you could, like you
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Speaker 2: could watch mcveigh's face get angry, like why am I
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Speaker 2: talking about this? And that's kind of what I'm asking
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Speaker 2: you about because again, like Sean McVay knows what he's
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Speaker 2: dealing with when he's got twenty one and twenty two
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Speaker 2: year old kids on his team. But also just the
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Speaker 2: conversation is no longer about his talent, his contribution, any
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Speaker 2: plays he made or did not make. It's about stuff
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Speaker 2: that's happening away from the field. And if you're a coach, yeah,
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Speaker 2: you care more about what's happening on the field. But man,
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Speaker 2: I would I either consciously or subconsciously, I'd get real
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Speaker 2: sick of having to apologize for somebody else's behavior.
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Speaker 3: Well, when the term distraction is used, this is what
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Speaker 3: it is, right. It's you finish a game and the
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Speaker 3: first question you get asked is why is your player
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Speaker 3: tweeting about the officials? Right? And that's what distractions are,
15:39
Speaker 3: and that's why coaches get angry about them. They don't
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Speaker 3: want to look. As much as McVeigh didn't want to
15:43
Speaker 3: talk about the loss, he has to right, you know, contractually,
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Speaker 3: and he's willing to do that. But he doesn't want
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Speaker 3: to talk about what poo Nokua's tweets are, or what
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Speaker 3: someone else is doing, or what gesture he was doing
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Speaker 3: in a in a video with someone. That's not why.
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Speaker 3: It's not what he wants to be doing. So any mean,
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Speaker 3: excuse me. It takes away from football, tends to drive
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Speaker 3: these coaches absolutely mad. I forgot about that the officiating tweet.
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Speaker 3: My thing about the officials is when people think that
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Speaker 3: it's rigged, Like why are you watching? Then, Pugo, why
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Speaker 3: are you playing? If you think the games are rigged?
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Speaker 3: That feels kind of silly. Waste your time playing a game,
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Speaker 3: and you get paid a lot of money, certainly, but
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Speaker 3: wasting your time and your health to play the game
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Speaker 3: that's rigged. Come on, man.
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Speaker 2: There also wasn't anything particularly controversial from an officiating standpoint
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Speaker 2: in that game.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, look the two point play thing. I
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Speaker 3: just despise that replay was used for that, even though
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Speaker 3: that was the right call in the end. I don't
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Speaker 3: think that replay review should be used to basically award
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Speaker 3: someone two points for the worst play of all time.
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Speaker 3: I saw a tweet that said, it's a very funny
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Speaker 3: tweet that said something like, imagine you're drunk in the stands,
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Speaker 3: your team runs the worst play you've ever seen, and
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Speaker 3: they award you two points afterwards. That to me is
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Speaker 3: not the spirit of replay. But it was the right call.
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Speaker 3: I mean, I guess there was maybe another, like a
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Speaker 3: no call or some other call. I think they kind
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Speaker 3: of didn't go the Rams way. But look, you were
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Speaker 3: up thirty to fourteen and you didn't win the game.
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Speaker 3: I mean that's you were up twenty six seven in
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Speaker 3: Philly and didn't win the game. You lost the Panthers
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Speaker 3: like you've had your opportunities this year, unfortunately, have it
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Speaker 3: gone your way at certain points, and that's why you
17:19
Speaker 3: are the five seed at that moment.
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Speaker 2: Should I believe in the San Francisco forty nine ers
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Speaker 2: ability to win a Super Bowl?
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Speaker 3: No, but they're gonna be the one seed, I think. Well,
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Speaker 3: I'll tell you what I don't. I don't know that yet.
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Speaker 3: So basically, they have to play the Bears right this weekend,
17:38
Speaker 3: and the NFL get him kind of dirty here because
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Speaker 3: the Bears played last on Saturday night, right, and now
17:47
Speaker 3: the Niners just played last night on the road. Yes,
17:50
Speaker 3: and the Niners have to go back home, got home
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Speaker 3: early this morning. I mean they're two days behind in prep.
17:58
Speaker 3: I think the kind of that's kind of messed up
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Speaker 3: that they made them do that and play a really
18:03
Speaker 3: good Bears team. Obviously they win that game, then Week
18:06
Speaker 3: eighteen is for all the marbles, right, Week eighteen is
18:08
Speaker 3: for the division, the one seed, the games at home.
18:12
Speaker 3: I don't trust Seattle all in that game, by the way.
18:14
Speaker 3: I would take you guys to win that game. But
18:16
Speaker 3: your defense is just not gonna You're just not It's
18:19
Speaker 3: just not like it's just not good enough. Obviously, the
18:21
Speaker 3: injuries played a big role in that. It's not anyone's
18:23
Speaker 3: fault per se, but you just can't rush the passer, right.
18:26
Speaker 3: That's a big problem.
18:28
Speaker 2: Because we're talking about the Niners. Their opponent last night
18:31
Speaker 2: was the Colts with forty four year old grandpa Philip
18:34
Speaker 2: Rivers as the quarterback. Was he better in week two
18:37
Speaker 2: than in week one?
18:38
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think he was. He looked like he gained
18:43
Speaker 3: ten pounds between the two weeks. But he certainly is
18:46
Speaker 3: better than he was. You know, he's just he's just
18:50
Speaker 3: very limited, right, Like I don't know who they I
18:53
Speaker 3: think they had to sell the They have a division
18:55
Speaker 3: opponent coming up, and you're like, oh boy, but that's
18:57
Speaker 3: gonna be a rough one. I mean, Filer just can't
18:59
Speaker 3: move and the Niners can't rust the passer. So both
19:03
Speaker 3: those things obviously help Philip Rivers there. He's gonna run
19:06
Speaker 3: up against someone. Yeah, they have the they have the
19:09
Speaker 3: Jacksonville and they have the Texans coming up. It's gonna
19:11
Speaker 3: that's gonna be rough. It's it's gonna be rough. That's
19:14
Speaker 3: a couple of weeks. Great story. It shows you the
19:17
Speaker 3: power of just knowing the playbook right, like having your
19:22
Speaker 3: mentals in check and knowing exactly which is what do
19:25
Speaker 3: every play And it was very you know that they
19:27
Speaker 3: I think, very clearly tried to isolate some of the
19:29
Speaker 3: audio of him last night at the Lion Screamacher I
19:31
Speaker 3: thought was pretty cool. The coolest thing, by the way,
19:33
Speaker 3: might have been the Luke Keigley calling the interception. Do
19:36
Speaker 3: you see that clip?
19:37
Speaker 2: Yes?
19:41
Speaker 3: So I actually it's funny. So he so on that
19:43
Speaker 3: video he said that he the term Orlando, right, was
19:48
Speaker 3: the sort of stick flat play right. And then I
19:52
Speaker 3: saw another clip like right below that from someone who
19:55
Speaker 3: was just posting highlights from Philip Rivers and he showed
19:58
Speaker 3: a driver to second maybe where they he said Orlando,
20:01
Speaker 3: and he ran the exact same play. And I thought
20:04
Speaker 3: it was pretty funny that like that was the exact
20:06
Speaker 3: sequence like Luke. He heard him say, Orlando. They ran
20:08
Speaker 3: that little stick flat right tight end just sort of
20:11
Speaker 3: runs up pivots, running back, goes in the flat and
20:13
Speaker 3: then obviously the number one can can you know, runs
20:17
Speaker 3: typically a deeper route and it was and then Winter's
20:20
Speaker 3: baited him too, right because Winter sort of stepped one.
20:23
Speaker 3: You just read that linebacker right, he sort of he
20:25
Speaker 3: stepped one step towards the running back of the flat,
20:29
Speaker 3: and he beat the ball. And you know, I just
20:31
Speaker 3: I think like that part of it. You just might
20:33
Speaker 3: be a little bit limited with rivers. You probably don't
20:35
Speaker 3: have a huge playbook. But dude, I okay, I think
20:39
Speaker 3: you have to be a little bit impressed with what
20:42
Speaker 3: he's doing, even me, who hates nostalgia whatsoever? Did you
20:46
Speaker 3: know his family was there last night?
20:48
Speaker 2: All ten kids.
20:49
Speaker 3: I don't know. I didn't see it. You know, I
20:51
Speaker 3: missed the first nine times they showed it, so I
20:53
Speaker 3: was curious if you saw the tenth time. But they
20:56
Speaker 3: they were there, was there, believe it or not. They
20:58
Speaker 3: want and supported the dad. Too many kids? This wild?
21:02
Speaker 3: You much have ten kids? Well, you want a lot,
21:05
Speaker 3: though you want one more?
21:06
Speaker 2: Right, you'd have to You have to start when you're
21:08
Speaker 2: like twenty one if you want. If you're gonna have ten.
21:10
Speaker 3: Kids, you still want one more though, right?
21:14
Speaker 2: I would like, Yeah, I'd go for even two. If
21:16
Speaker 2: your wife know this, I don't think that she agrees.
21:25
Speaker 2: It's very It's very as a man, as you're aware
21:27
Speaker 2: of this, it's very easy to want kids when you're
21:29
Speaker 2: a man, because you don't have to carry them.
21:32
Speaker 3: Yeah, how much time do we have to Can I
21:35
Speaker 3: tell you a mayor of the story.
21:36
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, I wanted we have plenty of time because
21:40
Speaker 2: you're now a lizard Dad.
21:42
Speaker 3: Yeah, I need to know.
21:42
Speaker 2: I need to know if the Schwartz family Christmas tree
21:46
Speaker 2: is still up and I have no three thirty meetings.
21:49
Speaker 2: So okay, perfect, So why are you collecting animals?
21:54
Speaker 3: So here's what happened. So we for for Hanukkah. We
21:58
Speaker 3: told the kids they had to make us PowerPoint presentations
22:02
Speaker 3: for what they wanted. So it was a great idea.
22:05
Speaker 3: Our kids in these computers, like they know how to
22:06
Speaker 3: make powerpoints and stuff. So they did a great job.
22:09
Speaker 3: And one of Alex's things was like he made this
22:11
Speaker 3: like elaborate power point on bearded dragons and everything, like
22:16
Speaker 3: he he linked the the the terrarium and like the
22:21
Speaker 3: food and all this stuff. And Maretha was like, no, now,
22:24
Speaker 3: two years ago we didn't even have a dog, like
22:26
Speaker 3: she was anti pet right, no doubt. We did have
22:28
Speaker 3: those chickens for a couple of weeks until they all
22:30
Speaker 3: got murdered, but we mostly did not have animals. So
22:34
Speaker 3: now then we get the dog. We got herm crabs recently,
22:38
Speaker 3: which are kind of useless. They're kind of a dumb
22:40
Speaker 3: pet d Yeah, they're really dumb, but the kids have
22:44
Speaker 3: done a good job. They're taking care of them, like
22:45
Speaker 3: they're all those things. So she was from against the
22:47
Speaker 3: bearer dragon idea. And then I somehow my algorithm on
22:52
Speaker 3: TikTok just started showing me beard of dragons and they
22:54
Speaker 3: were kind of cute and I was like, look like,
22:56
Speaker 3: look at these bearder and dragons. She's like, really, that's
22:58
Speaker 3: what like, that's what they're like. I was like yeah,
23:00
Speaker 3: and she's like, okay, we can get a beer dragon.
23:04
Speaker 3: So we go. We go to the store to get
23:06
Speaker 3: him at the pet store and Alex knew everything he needed,
23:10
Speaker 3: but you need everything, and Mareth wanted the orange one.
23:14
Speaker 3: There were like two there was like an orange color
23:16
Speaker 3: and sort of like a green yellow one like a
23:17
Speaker 3: regular colored one, and Alex chose the other one. Okay,
23:21
Speaker 3: so not the orange one. So we get home Friday night,
23:25
Speaker 3: set up the tank, like, we get it going and
23:27
Speaker 3: I've done a ton of reacharch down bear dragons. I'm
23:29
Speaker 3: like an expert cause guess who's in charge of them?
23:31
Speaker 3: I am, right, because guess where my kids and family
23:33
Speaker 3: are at right now, they're skiing Whistler. Okay. I'm by myself,
23:36
Speaker 3: so I'm in charge of these freaking things. Okay, okay,
23:40
Speaker 3: so I've done a ton of reacharch on these things.
23:42
Speaker 3: The next day on Saturday, Mareth and her friend was
23:45
Speaker 3: over and she goes, Hey, I'm gonna go run an
23:47
Speaker 3: aeron' beer right back. And Alice goes, I bet you
23:50
Speaker 3: she gave another beer dragon, and she did. She brought
23:54
Speaker 3: another one home, Okay, the one she wanted, the orange one.
23:58
Speaker 3: So she puts it in the same terrarium. And I'm like,
24:01
Speaker 3: I'm not sure. And my son was adamant, like, Mom,
24:04
Speaker 3: you can't have them in the same terrarium. Like that's
24:07
Speaker 3: not that. It's not a thing anyone suggests. Like the
24:11
Speaker 3: pet store. They are like, it's a pet store. Like
24:14
Speaker 3: so so I look it up, dude, every vet website,
24:19
Speaker 3: every beard dragon form Reddit. They're like, do not keep
24:23
Speaker 3: them together? So what did I do? I trucked back
24:25
Speaker 3: to the pet store by another terrarium, and now we
24:29
Speaker 3: have two bearded dragons. Chuck and Arthur are their names,
24:34
Speaker 3: And I'm caring for them, so I feed them twice
24:38
Speaker 3: a day. I ordered a yeah, so crickets are not
24:45
Speaker 3: very nutritious for them, like you have you have to
24:46
Speaker 3: spread calcium dust calcium potter on them. So they have
24:49
Speaker 3: these these these beetles they like, and then I ordered
24:53
Speaker 3: some like black Soldier fly Larva. They should be here today.
24:58
Speaker 3: They are super nutritionals. You have to make sure they
24:59
Speaker 3: have calcium them and they have to make sure they
25:01
Speaker 3: have like this this type of light to make sure
25:04
Speaker 3: they get their their D vitamins in. So we have
25:06
Speaker 3: that all set up for them. So one of them
25:10
Speaker 3: likes to be fed. The other one likes to me
25:13
Speaker 3: to put his food down and leave and then he'll
25:15
Speaker 3: eat after I leave. I've learned that now over two days.
25:19
Speaker 3: They like to hang out with you, like you can
25:21
Speaker 3: put them on your shoulder, on your chest, like they
25:23
Speaker 3: just kind of sit there, which is kind of fun.
25:25
Speaker 3: Except both of them, they're number two on my shoulder
25:29
Speaker 3: yesterday separately, like hours apart, just took giant both took
25:35
Speaker 3: this giant pooze right on my shoulder. They don't really
25:41
Speaker 3: like Foe being around them.
25:43
Speaker 2: I could tell that that's their dog, German Chepe by
25:46
Speaker 2: the way.
25:46
Speaker 3: And he and Foe is like sort of like what
25:48
Speaker 3: are these things. He's kind of like not quite sure
25:50
Speaker 3: what they are. So, yeah, we have five hermit crabs,
25:55
Speaker 3: a large German shepherd, and two dragon beard dragons down.
25:59
Speaker 3: I know they're cool, but like.
26:01
Speaker 2: Now we know, now we know what to get you
26:03
Speaker 2: for for a gift. Thank you for always joining us
26:07
Speaker 2: on the show. I'm just gonna send a random animal
26:09
Speaker 2: to your house.
26:11
Speaker 3: I don't really want any more animals, clearly, but it's
26:15
Speaker 3: such a marathing just on a Saturday have a couple
26:18
Speaker 3: of a couple of adult beverages bring home another bearer
26:20
Speaker 3: drag without doing any research whatsoever, like like no idea
26:24
Speaker 3: on like. So yeah, so we have two tuariums.
26:26
Speaker 2: It's I said, like a badger to your front door
26:29
Speaker 2: and see what happens.
26:31
Speaker 3: Would eat Fey would eat that thing? I doubt it,
26:35
Speaker 3: but yeah, like one of them does not like Foe,
26:37
Speaker 3: like the other one is kind of chill about it.
26:38
Speaker 3: But like one of them is just like I don't
26:40
Speaker 3: anytime phones around this.
26:43
Speaker 2: I just love that this is where your life is gone.
26:45
Speaker 2: It's really enriching for me.
26:47
Speaker 3: But but the thing about it is that it's not
26:50
Speaker 3: like I'm not busy, you know, It's not like like
26:54
Speaker 3: we It's not like we don't have anything to do.
26:56
Speaker 3: We have we do. We have tons of life. We
26:59
Speaker 3: have to add more to it.
27:00
Speaker 2: And you guys take vacations every three weeks, So what
27:03
Speaker 2: are my family does. Who's gonna take these Who's gonna
27:06
Speaker 2: take care of the bearded dragons? When you guys are
27:08
Speaker 2: at the beach, who's gonna You're not going to go
27:10
Speaker 2: to the beach, Which is fine, all right? Do you
27:13
Speaker 2: have is the Schwartz family Christmas tree up or not?
27:16
Speaker 3: I know because because Mereth left town, so she took
27:20
Speaker 3: it down two days ago. So I said, I was,
27:28
Speaker 3: I had to drop our car off today because I
27:29
Speaker 3: got a little minor accident at the closing shop and
27:32
Speaker 3: uh on the way on the uber home, uh for
27:35
Speaker 3: the cleaning shop. The lady, nice lady, was like, you know,
27:38
Speaker 3: you you know, what do you do for Christmas? And
27:40
Speaker 3: I was like, lady, just letting you know when you
27:41
Speaker 3: pumped the house, there's gonna be Christmas during the side
27:43
Speaker 3: of the road, just letting you know, don't think it's weird.
27:46
Speaker 3: And there it was. Yeah, so it's already out. We
27:50
Speaker 3: got you. We all think it's weird. She told me
27:52
Speaker 3: two days before and she said, I'm done with this thing.
27:54
Speaker 3: I just I'm over it. We got it delivered really
27:58
Speaker 3: early this year too, so it was like two weeks,
28:00
Speaker 3: week before Christmas, a week before Thanksgiving.
28:02
Speaker 2: So it's been up for a Wow. That's a long time.
28:04
Speaker 3: Yeah, over a month.
28:05
Speaker 2: That's a long time. All right.
28:06
Speaker 3: That's how how we feel about the Bowl game. I
28:09
Speaker 3: took Utah minus fourteen when the line came out.
28:12
Speaker 2: I think that Utah is gonna absolutely demolish Nebraska. I
28:16
Speaker 2: think Nebraska is limping their way along. It feels like
28:19
Speaker 2: this group of Utah players, they've had three opt outs,
28:23
Speaker 2: which is fewer than I thought.
28:25
Speaker 3: And the tackles playing there they're too of the opt
28:29
Speaker 3: outs or they just haven't announced yet they're two of
28:30
Speaker 3: the opt outs. Okay, yeah, I was true. I figured
28:32
Speaker 3: they it's.
28:33
Speaker 2: It's Logan Fano, the brother, the older brother of Spencer.
28:37
Speaker 2: Spencer and then Caleb Lomo. They have opted out, and
28:41
Speaker 2: to the knowledge of everyone on the coaching staff, everyone
28:46
Speaker 2: else plans to play.
28:49
Speaker 3: The video of Logan presenting the war to Spencer was awesome.
28:53
Speaker 3: I very much enjoyed that. Do you think this question,
28:57
Speaker 3: do you think this game will be coached by Kawa
29:00
Speaker 3: or Scaley both the duel gets duel, so who gets
29:05
Speaker 3: who gets the win?
29:06
Speaker 2: Woodyam on this record, go ahead coaches, they both just.
29:11
Speaker 3: I was just curous of if he'll let like Morgan
29:14
Speaker 3: Scallly do more of the like give him an opportunity
29:16
Speaker 3: like wet his feet a little bit with It's.
29:18
Speaker 2: Interesting because talking with players all through the year, I mean,
29:21
Speaker 2: Devin dan Pierre joined us every week and he has
29:24
Speaker 2: told us kind of all year long that witt has
29:28
Speaker 2: been letting Morgan kind of do meetings and like conduct
29:31
Speaker 2: some things as if he was like, fully, I think
29:34
Speaker 2: what happened. The best sense I have today on the
29:37
Speaker 2: twenty third of December is that Kyle Whittingham was fully
29:41
Speaker 2: intending to retire after this year and then was re
29:45
Speaker 2: energized by a ten win season and probably a little
29:48
Speaker 2: bit miffed by the pressure he was getting from whatever
29:51
Speaker 2: sources of pressure he was getting to say like all right,
29:53
Speaker 2: let's have you be done. And he was like, you
29:55
Speaker 2: know what, Actually, no, I think that's what really happened,
29:59
Speaker 2: because all signs all the way up to that very
30:02
Speaker 2: last game pointed to him like kind of like putting
30:05
Speaker 2: a close to this chapter and then I think he
30:08
Speaker 2: changed his mind and it was not well received, is
30:10
Speaker 2: what I can guess at right now?
30:14
Speaker 3: What are you doing for Christmas this year?
30:16
Speaker 2: Just hanging out where we're hearing Utah will be. We'll
30:20
Speaker 2: be doing Christmas even Christmas morning with just my nuclear
30:25
Speaker 2: family and then spend it with the in laws for
30:28
Speaker 2: like dinner that night or whatever.
30:30
Speaker 3: What is What does your oldest daughter want?
30:32
Speaker 2: So?
30:33
Speaker 3: I said, what's the hot item now?
30:34
Speaker 2: For young She asked for a vespa?
30:39
Speaker 3: Okay?
30:40
Speaker 2: And I was like, yeah, you're not gonna get a vespa.
30:43
Speaker 2: And she's like, well, just ask Santa Claus. And I
30:45
Speaker 2: was like, I'm gonna tell Sanna in my letter to
30:47
Speaker 2: Santa not to get you a vespa because I don't
30:52
Speaker 2: want you driving a vespa around you're six. So and
30:58
Speaker 2: then she asked for a safe Apparently she has valuables
31:03
Speaker 2: that she wants to protect from her parents and her sisters.
31:06
Speaker 3: Okay, I mean, I get I get the protecting from
31:09
Speaker 3: your sisters.
31:10
Speaker 2: Yeah okay, And just like you know, a bunch of
31:13
Speaker 2: regular type of kids stuff. Yeah, well, Merry Christmas, happy holidays,
31:21
Speaker 2: appreciate you joining us, and uh enjoy I mean I
31:24
Speaker 2: don't know, like we could jump on zoom call for
31:28
Speaker 2: old times sake, since you're by yourself, if you if
31:30
Speaker 2: you need anyone to hang out with over the over
31:32
Speaker 2: the break, since your family abandoned you.
31:34
Speaker 3: I have eight pets. No, that's true. The lizards, lizards
31:39
Speaker 3: of they just sit on your shoulder, all right, go
31:42
Speaker 3: get pooped on. Twice, two separate shirts got ruined by
31:49
Speaker 3: I actually put one on my on my body to
31:52
Speaker 3: do a radio show yesterday. They I've talked about the button.
31:57
Speaker 3: They didn't believe me, and I put it on me.
31:58
Speaker 3: And then one of them, that's the one that one
31:59
Speaker 3: of and would poo on me while I was on
32:01
Speaker 3: the radio. Just gross, do you think? All right, buddy,
32:08
Speaker 3: all right, Merry Christmas. Everyone, please stop being angry at me.
32:12
Speaker 2: Utah fans keep going, keep sending your grievances to Jeff
32:16
Speaker 2: Schwartz