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- 0:03Carl (Host): Meaningful Medicine is a Novant Health Podcast bringing you
- 0:06access to leading doctors who answer questions they wish you would ask.
- 0:10From routine care to rare conditions, our physicians offer tips to navigate medical
- 0:14decisions and build a healthier future.
- 0:17I'm Carl Moroni, and today we're gonna be speaking with orthopedic surgeon Dr.
- 0:21Edward Blocker, about staying active but doing it safely.
- 0:24Doctor, welcome to the podcast.
- 0:26Edward Blocker, MD: Yeah.
- 0:26Thank you.
- 0:27Carl (Host): Let's first start maybe by talking about tennis and
- 0:29pickleball, which are popular ways for folks to exercise on the coast.
- 0:33Are you seeing any common injuries with these sports?
- 0:36Edward Blocker, MD: Yeah, I do.
- 0:37as you said, it's a very, popular sport, especially pickleball, folks
- 0:41moving into this area where, Large retirement community, everybody's,
- 0:46moving down, becoming more active, and, getting into these popular sports.
- 0:51And then unfortunately as a result, we're seeing, we see a fair number of injuries
- 0:55from, unfortunately most of 'em aren't severe, but, with a few exceptions.
- 0:59But,
- 0:59Carl (Host): Yeah.
- 1:00Edward Blocker, MD: especially has become real popular.
- 1:02Carl (Host): and are there commonalities in the injuries you're seeing?
- 1:05Elbows, knees?
- 1:07Edward Blocker, MD: largely, upper extremity and ankle, kind of divide
- 1:10things into two groups, the types of injuries, the fall or acute injuries,
- 1:14And then the, the longer term, injuries we refer to as overuse injuries.
- 1:20the fall injuries are a little bit more dramatic.
- 1:23and, as you'd imagine typically, uh, falls on outstretch hands.
- 1:27We call those foo fosh injuries, fall on outstretched hand, land on
- 1:31your wrist and to stop your fall can result in a wrist fracture.
- 1:35you're running up towards the net, stopping very fast, fall forward,
- 1:39land with a good bit of force, so.
- 1:40So fractures, fortunately Those are, are probably the minority, of the injuries.
- 1:46Most of them tend to be overuse injuries that occur over, over just repetitive use.
- 1:51Carl (Host): Sure.
- 1:51Now you're based in coastal South Carolina, Beaufort, Hilton Head, which
- 1:55are popular re for retirees and golfers.
- 1:58what are some common golf injuries that you're seeing in patient's?
- 2:01Edward Blocker, MD: as you'd probably expect, mostly upper extremity
- 2:03injuries, especially shoulder.
- 2:05and of course there's golfers elbow.
- 2:07You can get tennis, elbow playing golf.
- 2:09golfers elbow refers to.
- 2:12the medical term is medial epicondylitis.
- 2:14Uh, the medial side of the elbow is The inner side of your elbow.
- 2:18that's, typically the, the muscle group that's involved with a, with a golf swing.
- 2:23but the, opposite side of the elbow, the lateral side, which we typically
- 2:27refer to as tennis elbow, uh, you're not exempt from that playing golf.
- 2:30So we see a lot of that too.
- 2:32these are.
- 2:33As I mentioned earlier, would classify them as, as overuse injuries.
- 2:37these muscle groups get used repetitively, with each golf swing.
- 2:40can lead to tendonitis and irritation at the, where the tendons
- 2:44originate from the, from the bones.
- 2:47And, uh, there's some, oftentimes simple remedies for it.
- 2:49But, And then shoulder injuries are, close behind, the elbows with
- 2:53golf, but Those are the top two shoulder and shoulder and elbows
- 2:57the most used, joints in that sport.
- 3:00Carl (Host): Sure, And for some golfers like myself, you're a lot
- 3:02more swings than the average golfer.
- 3:03So more more chance for injury and to try to prevent injury.
- 3:07I have to guess.
- 3:08Warming up, stretching would probably be advised
- 3:11Edward Blocker, MD: It is, and I recognize it's boring and
- 3:14it's hard to make yourself do.
- 3:16but it's not one of those things we just say do.
- 3:18It really does make a big difference, stretching.
- 3:21as unfortunately as we get older, tendons and ligaments become a little
- 3:24bit less resilient, less, less elastic.
- 3:27so if you have a fall or a a, twist or somehow stress, these ligaments,
- 3:33when we're children and adolescents and even twenties and thirties, those
- 3:36ligaments are more likely to stretch.
- 3:38They're more elastic, and as we get older, they, they lose their elasticity.
- 3:42They're more likely to, to tear.
- 3:44And so stretching helps return that elasticity.
- 3:47Stretching does a lot of things.
- 3:49there's things you take for granted, like proprioception when you, when you.
- 3:53Have your arm out in space.
- 3:55You don't have to look.
- 3:56to see where your hand is, to know where it is, and that's, that's a
- 3:59function of, nerves that run through the ligaments and soft tissues of our joints.
- 4:03So when you stretch, you're actually helping that feedback loop between
- 4:08your brain and your, your extremities.
- 4:10before you go into.
- 4:11You play and, moving faster, your brain's sort of talking to your muscles.
- 4:16Sometimes your brain gets ahead of the muscles these days.
- 4:19so stretching kind of gets your nervous system in sync with your muscles and
- 4:23your motors, your muscles, muscle groups, And also stretches the ligament so that
- 4:28if you do take a tumble, you're more likely to stretch it than to tear it.
- 4:32Carl (Host): Yeah.
- 4:33And I suppose there, there's a, a better way to stretch or some ways are
- 4:36better than other's for stretching.
- 4:37Would you recommend that golfers kind of get some stretching advice or, or
- 4:42what's the best way for athletes to find out the best ways to stretch?
- 4:48Edward Blocker, MD: Slow and easy.
- 4:49I mean trainers and physical therapists are experts in that and they can
- 4:52show you 15 different ways to do it.
- 4:54But if, but the biggest thing is if, if that's gonna be a
- 4:57rate limiting step to somebody.
- 4:59Just doing it.
- 5:00Just, if you're running, getting ready to go on the pickleball court,
- 5:04stretching your hamstrings, you can walk up to a tree, or the hood of your car.
- 5:08we've all seen runners doing that beforehand.
- 5:10That'll stretch out your.
- 5:11Your gastroc or your your calf muscles.
- 5:14and you know, of course stretching your arms and, and shoulders and elbows.
- 5:18basically you're just moving your, your, your arms and subsequently ligaments
- 5:22and all the directions that they go to, put the ligaments that support
- 5:25them under a little bit of tension.
- 5:27course, YouTube's a good friend too.
- 5:29If you YouTube stretching, stretching exercises before pickleball, it'll, it'll
- 5:33tell you 10 different things you can do.
- 5:35But the biggest thing is make it simple.
- 5:38it doesn't have to take too long.
- 5:39if it's too long and too complicated, you won't do it.
- 5:43So, just a, a short but concise and well focused stretching exercise regimen
- 5:48before you go out on the quarter.
- 5:49And the one of the golf course would be, time well spent.
- 5:53Carl (Host): Yeah.
- 5:53Great, great advice.
- 5:54there certainly are sudden injuries like fractures and things that happen.
- 5:58And then as you mentioned, kind of overuse injuries, things that happen over time.
- 6:01why is it so important not to delay orthopedic care from these
- 6:06repetitive motion injuries?
- 6:08Edward Blocker, MD: Well, they can sort of self perpetuate.
- 6:10So, you know, I don't, I wouldn't, I wouldn't want to convey that it
- 6:14every little egg campaign you've gotta go in for, but the one, the
- 6:17ones that seem to be hanging around, and not getting better, or maybe.
- 6:21if it's interfering with what you're doing, if you're going out and if
- 6:25the side of your elbow hurts when you play pickleball and, and it doesn't
- 6:28get better after the, a few days and you go back on the court and it seems
- 6:32to hurt a little bit worse And then a little bit worse the next time, then,
- 6:36and it is, then those things can set.
- 6:39you know, amplify and get worse.
- 6:41And in the, And the early on in the, in the course of these, repetitive use
- 6:45injuries, it's oftentimes very simple to get it stopped, on the treatment.
- 6:50Algorithm of options from least to most surgery being at the most obviously
- 6:56invasive, complex end, And then simply rest at the, at the easier end.
- 7:01as something lasts longer, you're more likely to have to march up the, treatment
- 7:05level of complexity towards surgery.
- 7:08So, the sooner you can, get things turned around and headed in the
- 7:11right direction, the, the better.
- 7:12and early on that.
- 7:13Simple.
- 7:14Usually simply involves, you know, adding, stretching, or maybe an anti-inflammatory.
- 7:19Carl (Host): Yeah, as you kind of mentioned it, people should have a kind of
- 7:22sense of their body to know when it's kind of an acre pain they can work through.
- 7:26And when something feels a lot different and they know now,
- 7:28now it's time to get some help.
- 7:30Edward Blocker, MD: Exactly.
- 7:31I tell patient's all the time, listen to your body.
- 7:33It'll tell you.
- 7:34when to seek advice or if, You know, sometimes we're grown up with
- 7:38the adage of, no pain, no gain.
- 7:40But, but at this point, at this point, sometimes it's best to, it's not giving
- 7:44in if it's a consistent pain that's there, especially if it's limiting your
- 7:49activities or, you know, a certain, swing, that it happens every time and you
- 7:54notice you're losing power because of it.
- 7:56It is probably asking for help
- 7:59Carl (Host): as you mentioned a minute ago, there's a a range of, of, of
- 8:02treatments that might be needed from this physical therapy to, to surgery.
- 8:07Maybe you could talk a little bit about the, the steps of that and, and
- 8:09when it comes to surgery, the kind of things that that one might expect
- 8:13if they go down the surgical route.
- 8:16Edward Blocker, MD: Yeah.
- 8:16So, the beginning treatments of, of most of these things begins with, some
- 8:20stretching, just picking tennis elbow as an example, and it's, This is applicable
- 8:24to, to most of the other maladies, tennis elbows, uh, inflammation of the ligaments
- 8:29on the outer side of your elbow, and simply, uh, stretching those muscle
- 8:33group in the beginnings, stretching those muscle groups, so that they're not.
- 8:37so tight from the origin of the muscle off of the bone.
- 8:40it helps again, return it for elasticity, maybe addition of
- 8:43an anti-inflammatory, an oral anti-inflammatory like Advil or Aleve.
- 8:48Of course, as long as there's no other medical reasons not to take those.
- 8:51step above That is, is oftentimes a cortisone injection.
- 8:54That's a.
- 8:55that's also an anti-inflammatory, but it's a steroid anti-inflammatory, and
- 8:59it, and it goes, you know, right to the source as opposed to a medicine
- 9:02that goes everywhere systemically.
- 9:04physical therapy sometimes for i'll, I'll oftentimes give patient's
- 9:09exercises to do in the office.
- 9:10Instruct them in the office And what they can do at home.
- 9:14oftentimes adding in anti-inflammatory.
- 9:17See them back if it's still hurting, good percentage of those patient's
- 9:21don't need that follow-up appointment 'cause it's better and they've
- 9:24returned to play, but they have the appointment if it's not better.
- 9:27Plan B is oftentimes that cortisone shot I mentioned, or
- 9:31sometimes formal physical therapy.
- 9:32I'll send people to therapy for two reasons.
- 9:35one to learn the right exercises.
- 9:37Two to make sure you do 'em.
- 9:38So, I would probably have to have an appointment with a
- 9:41therapist to make sure I do it.
- 9:43if you have a lot of discipline and you know, they write exercises,
- 9:46you can do it on your own at home.
- 9:47But that kind of third level might be actually going to formal physical
- 9:51therapy and there's always additional stretches they can show you.
- 9:55And then when we get to, if, if all the failing, all of that, which fortunately
- 9:59is a, we're getting into a m much smaller percentage of patient's now.
- 10:03You know, end, end up at this surgical level and surgery, is very reliable
- 10:08way to cure all these maladies.
- 10:10We're, we're in a good place with this and.
- 10:12There's a lot of arthroscopic techniques now and min more, uh, minimally
- 10:15invasive, procedures we can do.
- 10:17It's still a long rehab.
- 10:19The, the, the recovery after surgery, is always longer than people want it to be.
- 10:24The human body is.
- 10:26it's still healing at the same rate.
- 10:27It always has.
- 10:28we've come up with better procedures, but the healing time is still slower.
- 10:32so, average, 6, 8, sometimes 12 weeks of, of recuperation after these surgeries.
- 10:38So that's another reason to deal with it early rather than late.
- 10:42Carl (Host): Yeah.
- 10:42The technology that you've probably seen over your career, has developed
- 10:46and, you're probably able to do things now that maybe you weren't, when
- 10:49you, you started, has that had a big impact on, uh, this kind of work?
- 10:54Edward Blocker, MD: Yeah, it has, especially in the world of joints.
- 10:57I never thought I would be talking to patient's about
- 10:59robots, but, uh, here we are.
- 11:01We're, uh, and, and even ai, we use AI daily in the office.
- 11:05AI is getting integrated into our robotic surgeries.
- 11:09so yeah, there's things that, you know, my grandfather was an orthopedist.
- 11:15I don't think.
- 11:16He saw this coming.
- 11:17but uh.
- 11:20Carl (Host): Amazing stuff.
- 11:21kind of, to that point, but are there still misconceptions or, maybe common
- 11:25questions that you get from patient's?
- 11:27Edward Blocker, MD: Yeah, probably one of those that I hear the most may
- 11:31not be totally applicable to, sports injuries and such, but a lot of times
- 11:35people feel like they should, have a joint replacement, for instance now,
- 11:40because they might need it later.
- 11:42But the, the indication for a.
- 11:44For a joint replacement, a hip or a knee or these days even
- 11:48ankles and, shoulders is pain.
- 11:50So, I tell people all the time, you know, your joint will tell you
- 11:54if it's time for something like that, And that This is applicable
- 11:56to a lot of things in orthopedics.
- 11:59So if it's, not to that level.
- 12:01you know, we're all gonna be older later, but, um, surgery now
- 12:05for symptoms that don't warrant it, I don't think's a good idea.
- 12:09You may never reach those symptom levels.
- 12:11We're all gonna be older, but, it'd be kinda like, our car tires are gonna have
- 12:15more mileage on 'em later too, but you wouldn't change 'em at, at 15,000 miles.
- 12:19so I think that's, that's probably one of the biggest things I hear.
- 12:22That's a, you know, misconception that people have.
- 12:25Carl (Host): Well, doctors, we prepare to close.
- 12:27Maybe you could talk a little bit about what got you into
- 12:29orthopedics and sports medicine.
- 12:31I know you mentioned your grandfather, uh, was an orthopedic surgeon, but
- 12:34what, what drew you to the specialty besides the family connection?
- 12:37Edward Blocker, MD: Yeah.
- 12:38I've always liked using my hands since I was a young, young kid.
- 12:41One of my other one grandfather was an orthopedist.
- 12:44The other was a, was a carpenter.
- 12:46I worked with him and, and, had a farm and, And farms.
- 12:49You fix things all the time.
- 12:50Plus he built houses.
- 12:51So I worked with him at a very early age and really enjoyed using my hands.
- 12:58Things that were broken that, that we would fix, was very gratifying.
- 13:02My other grandfather was an orthopedist, and when I realized that that's kind
- 13:05of a glorified carpentry, and you actually have the added satisfaction
- 13:10of, helping people, feel better, it was, uh, just, I figured out at, at seven
- 13:15years old, that's what I wanted to do.
- 13:17Carl (Host): I suppose the, the carpenters may be using robots
- 13:19too to do their work these days.
- 13:20Edward Blocker, MD: They are CNC machines.
- 13:22They're, uh, a lot of similarities.
- 13:25And, uh, in some cases I, I think some of the carpentry procedures might be
- 13:29harder than what we do, but, uh, but it's all, it's uh, it's all hand eye.
- 13:33and best thing I like about orthopedics is it's, uh, not, not just hands
- 13:37on, but it's a lot of common sense.
- 13:39Carl (Host): Yeah.
- 13:40Very good.
- 13:41Well, I'm sure, uh, podcast hosts will be done by robot someday soon, but I'm
- 13:45glad today was not and I was able to have this conversation with you, Dr.
- 13:49Edward Blocker, orthopedic surgeon.
- 13:51Uh, a lot of great advice.
- 13:53We appreciate it.
- 13:54Edward Blocker, MD: Sure enjoyed it.
- 13:55Thanks.
- 13:55Good
- 13:55talking to you.
- 13:57Carl (Host): Good talking to you as well.
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