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Drunk Necks Don't Snap | Captain William Kidd · Beheaded

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SPEAKER_03: Hello and welcome to our third episode of Beheaded.
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SPEAKER_03: Number three.
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SPEAKER_03: Number three.
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SPEAKER_03: I am Megan Moore.
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SPEAKER_03: This is Elizabeth Black.
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SPEAKER_03: And we are here to talk about torture and execution.
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SPEAKER_01: And death.
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SPEAKER_01: Let's not forget.
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SPEAKER_01: Thank you guys for tuning in to the first two episodes.
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SPEAKER_01: Megan and I have been extremely excited because we released the first two episodes on Halloween at the same time.
0:32
SPEAKER_01: And we didn't have a third.
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SPEAKER_01: We were planning on launching with three, but we just had the two due to our busy schedules.
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SPEAKER_03: We were so excited to just get those two out.
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SPEAKER_01: We wanted to get the two out.
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SPEAKER_01: And we have over a hundred listeners in the first week, which is exciting.
0:45
SPEAKER_01: I'm shocked.
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SPEAKER_01: Yeah, we don't even know a hundred people.
0:48
SPEAKER_01: Like I looked at Megan and I was like, Do you have a hundred friends?
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SPEAKER_01: I don't.
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SPEAKER_01: I have a very tight-knit, very close, small circle, and it's not near a hundred.
0:58
SPEAKER_01: I think there's people listening who we don't know.
1:00
SPEAKER_01: That's crazy.
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SPEAKER_01: If you don't know us, thank you.
1:03
SPEAKER_01: I hope you're getting to know us.
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SPEAKER_01: Um we're we're fun.
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SPEAKER_03: We're fun little bunch.
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SPEAKER_03: So over 100 listeners.
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SPEAKER_03: We are on Instagram um at what is it?
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SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
1:17
SPEAKER_01: Um I mean we have like a whole nine posts right now.
1:19
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, and we're super exciting.
1:21
SPEAKER_03: People like the Marie Antoinette post.
1:23
SPEAKER_01: Okay, yeah, we have to talk about that really quick.
1:25
SPEAKER_01: Like, we obviously just launched this Instagram.
1:27
SPEAKER_01: We don't expect a lot of likes.
1:28
SPEAKER_01: It's brand new.
1:29
SPEAKER_01: We expect, you know, five to ten likes per post.
1:31
SPEAKER_01: I was excited we were like seven followers one day.
1:34
SPEAKER_01: We got seven followers in a day.
1:35
SPEAKER_01: We're like, oh my god, it's happening.
1:37
SPEAKER_01: It's happening.
1:38
SPEAKER_01: Um, we posted, or Megan posted a picture of Marie Antoinette, like Kirsten Dunce from the movie.
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SPEAKER_01: Like 71 likes or something right away.
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SPEAKER_01: I think that's why we did have a lot of people.
1:48
SPEAKER_01: We don't even have 71 followers.
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SPEAKER_01: Like we have 50 something followers.
1:52
SPEAKER_01: We're like, who are these extra people?
1:54
SPEAKER_01: Um, so thank you for anyone that liked that post.
1:57
SPEAKER_01: But you know, you there's others to like.
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SPEAKER_01: That would be really nice if you did.
2:01
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2:05
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2:11
SPEAKER_01: We also have been very impressed with our more mature friends, aka like our mothers, who have found our podcast.
2:17
SPEAKER_01: What uh mom, if you're listening, she said, You're so cute.
2:22
SPEAKER_01: And I was like, That's cute, that's good, that's cute.
2:26
SPEAKER_01: Um, but yeah, I was I was shocked because my mom's like, How do I listen?
2:29
SPEAKER_01: I was like, My mom's never listened to a podcast before.
2:31
SPEAKER_01: How do I explain this?
2:32
SPEAKER_01: And I was like, Well, and I was like, you know what, I'm just gonna share you the Instagram.
2:36
SPEAKER_01: So I just like sent her the profile to the Instagram thinking maybe she'll find this.
2:40
SPEAKER_01: And like 12 hours later, she's like, Oh my gosh, I listened.
2:43
SPEAKER_01: You're cute.
2:44
SPEAKER_01: Thanks, mom.
2:45
SPEAKER_03: And then there's my mother who asked, How can I call in?
2:50
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, she wants to call into our show, um, which we're gonna let her.
2:52
SPEAKER_03: We're gonna that actually we were thinking if I get my mom on the show, I feel like she could actually really contribute well to it.
3:00
SPEAKER_03: But it just loves history as well.
3:03
SPEAKER_03: It just cracks me up though, because it's like, no, mom, this isn't like a live radio show, you don't just call in.
3:08
SPEAKER_01: But I think we need to pitch it like that.
3:10
SPEAKER_01: Like, yeah.
3:11
SPEAKER_01: We'll make her think that Megan's mom, you should call in at this hour at this day, and we won't obviously we'll just record her and then add her in.
3:17
SPEAKER_01: But she'll think it's live.
3:18
SPEAKER_01: But she'll think it's live and she'll talk to you guys like it's a live project.
3:22
SPEAKER_03: We can do her live too.
3:23
SPEAKER_01: That's fine.
3:23
SPEAKER_01: But uh I think it'd be great because she's gonna be like, so I listened to the I don't know how your mom sounds, but this is how I imagine her voice sounds.
3:31
SPEAKER_01: So I listened to the first episode and I just loved it.
3:34
SPEAKER_01: She's not from the broad, she's from California.
3:37
SPEAKER_03: Okay, okay.
3:38
SPEAKER_01: Um you can do her voice, I don't know.
3:41
SPEAKER_03: You may be noticing our sound quality so much.
3:44
SPEAKER_03: So much better.
3:45
SPEAKER_01: You can hear me now.
3:46
SPEAKER_01: I was very quiet in the first two.
3:48
SPEAKER_03: Yeah, we have a softer voice issues.
3:50
SPEAKER_03: But to be frank, I mean, we started it really not knowing where it was gonna go, and it was really motivating to see people are actually listening to it and enjoying it.
3:57
SPEAKER_01: So people at work have like inside jokes now.
3:59
SPEAKER_01: They're like, oh my gosh, like I know a dude with third nipples.
4:02
SPEAKER_01: I'm like, oh my goodness, you've listened.
4:04
SPEAKER_01: I love that's the the butt of our jokes.
4:07
SPEAKER_01: I'm like, I'm like, the takeaway's not about you know a third nipple, but I'm glad that you are listening enough to like have something you take away.
4:14
SPEAKER_01: So thank you.
4:14
SPEAKER_03: So we are using a blue yeti, which I love.
4:17
SPEAKER_03: I got it in the platinum color.
4:18
SPEAKER_03: Oh, it's obsessed.
4:20
SPEAKER_03: And what is her name, Elizabeth?
4:21
SPEAKER_01: Her name is She is the Iron Maiden.
4:25
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4:26
SPEAKER_01: And if you look at our Instagram again, um, please go.
4:29
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4:30
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4:33
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4:35
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4:36
SPEAKER_03: It's yeah, it's the third member that we were missing.
4:38
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, we were we were gonna introduce this uh podcast, but being like, we were actually introducing a third member today, the Iron Maiden, who we love, and she's changed our lives.
4:46
SPEAKER_01: Um, and it's we already did a few tests here, and we're like, oh my gosh, it sounds so much better.
4:51
SPEAKER_01: So thank you for putting up with the first two in the quality.
4:54
SPEAKER_01: Um, this is gonna be better.
4:55
SPEAKER_01: And we are gonna make continual improvements, obviously, as we go.
4:58
SPEAKER_01: We are new to this, so thank you for uh sticking with us and staying loyal.
5:03
SPEAKER_03: So we have a really fun episode today.
5:05
SPEAKER_03: We're gonna change the tables a little bit.
5:07
SPEAKER_03: So one thing that we really wanted to put out there was I would say my favorite part of history is British and Tudor history where there's so many executions that people just that that they're famous, but we're not yeah, we're not just focusing on the nasty Brits and how they can just chop off people's heads left and right.
5:27
SPEAKER_03: We are going all across the map.
5:29
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, all eras of time.
5:31
SPEAKER_01: All eras.
5:32
SPEAKER_01: Uh-huh.
5:32
SPEAKER_01: Um, so people were asking, like, oh, what's next?
5:34
SPEAKER_01: And they were kind of mentioning like again things related to tutor history, and we were like, uh, the next one's actually gonna be fun.
5:41
SPEAKER_01: Um, this one is about William Kidd, who was a well-known privateer and or pirate.
5:46
SPEAKER_03: Captain William Kidd.
5:48
SPEAKER_03: Where do we begin?
5:51
SPEAKER_03: I was gonna start the podcast with a hoy! We tried, we tried a few times.
5:55
SPEAKER_03: Nope, not working.
5:56
SPEAKER_03: Can't do that.
5:56
SPEAKER_03: Didn't vibe.
5:57
SPEAKER_03: Um, so funny story though, about an hour before Elizabeth was about to pick me up and to meet her at her place.
6:04
SPEAKER_03: Um she kill she calls me in a panic and she goes, Megan, what William Kidd the pirate did you research?
6:11
SPEAKER_03: I was like, I don't know.
6:12
SPEAKER_01: She's like the Captain William Kidd.
6:15
SPEAKER_03: And evidently there's two William Kids who are both pirates.
6:18
SPEAKER_01: And I found out because I had been researching, we were researching the same one the whole time, but I had a moment where I was like, oh my gosh, because I saw a note that was like for 15th century pirate William Kidd, which is KYD, not K-I-D-D.
6:30
SPEAKER_01: Um, it was like, see this other article.
6:32
SPEAKER_01: It's like, oh no, this whole day, like, I knew it, Megan was looking at the wrong one.
6:37
SPEAKER_01: And I but we all kind of laughed because we were like, this is gonna be great if we go into the podcast being like, okay, so in 1405, and I'm like, wait, no, 1620.
6:46
SPEAKER_03: I'm like, Elizabeth, you know nothing of what you're talking about.
6:49
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it could have been an interesting show, but that did not happen.
6:51
SPEAKER_01: Luckily, one is way more famous than the other.
6:54
SPEAKER_01: But hey, if you ever want to check out 15th century William Kidd, by all means, he's also a pirate with a very I don't know, boring story on Wikipedia.
7:02
SPEAKER_03: Go check it out.
7:03
SPEAKER_03: No, we are talking about Captain William Kidd today, and we're just gonna dive right into it.
7:07
SPEAKER_03: Look at it.
7:07
SPEAKER_03: Dive.
7:08
SPEAKER_03: Oh my god.
7:10
SPEAKER_03: Um, so I mean, obviously, the the whole story of pirates, there's so much that goes into it.
7:17
SPEAKER_03: One of the things I I I'm not as well caught up on pirate history, I have to admit.
7:23
SPEAKER_03: I think I've read one book, which was a really cool book, but it was a fictional book about these two female pirates.
7:28
SPEAKER_03: But beyond that, and beyond Disney's pirates of the Caribbean, I don't know a lot.
7:33
SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
7:33
SPEAKER_03: So we it was really fun learning about this.
7:36
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I probably took it a step further in my pirate history where I'd watched maybe the DVD extras of pirates, of like the actual, you know, documentaries on pirate life.
7:44
SPEAKER_01: So, you know, very well equipped to handle this conversation.
7:48
SPEAKER_03: The biggest thing I think we we really want to go over is the different types of pirates.
7:54
SPEAKER_03: I mean, maybe we can start with that and then lead into William Kidd and where he fell on mixed lines of what he was.
8:01
SPEAKER_01: So I'm sure we're all familiar with different terms for what we think are pirates.
8:05
SPEAKER_01: So there's the term pirate, the term privateer, the term buccaneer, and then this last one, um, do you know how to pronounce this last one?
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SPEAKER_01: It's like a French word.
8:13
SPEAKER_03: Corsair.
8:14
SPEAKER_01: Corsair.
8:15
SPEAKER_01: Corset.
8:16
SPEAKER_01: Corset.
8:17
SPEAKER_03: I forgot to look it up, actually.
8:18
SPEAKER_01: I mean, you know us and our pronunciation.
8:21
SPEAKER_01: You'd think by now we'd be rock stars at pronouncing things right the first time.
8:25
SPEAKER_01: Roman numerals.
8:26
SPEAKER_03: Shout out to one of my friends who listened to the first episode and then made a chart about how to read Roman numerals.
8:34
SPEAKER_01: That being said, like, we're not morons.
8:36
SPEAKER_01: We know Roman numerals.
8:38
SPEAKER_01: It's for me, it's just when I see a name, I just am like, oh yeah, that name again.
8:41
SPEAKER_01: And I don't like look at the actual characters within it to be like, wait, is this 16 or I just like in my head, I'm like, okay, yeah, that name again.
8:48
SPEAKER_01: So it's more about just, you know, what we just wanted to get it right.
8:52
SPEAKER_01: Sight words, more about me identifying sight words versus deciphering Roman numerals.
8:55
SPEAKER_03: Can I interrupt ourselves really quickly here?
8:57
SPEAKER_03: Sorry, tangent, which we do a lot of, I know.
9:01
SPEAKER_03: Speaking of the last episodes and re-listening to things.
9:04
SPEAKER_03: We have a correction.
9:05
SPEAKER_03: Another uh not a correction, but no, it's a correction, an elaboration, I'd like to call it.
9:11
SPEAKER_03: I did talk about my experience of going into what I thought was the jail cells of the Salem Witch trials.
9:19
SPEAKER_03: Um, did some more research.
9:21
SPEAKER_03: I did post a picture which was of the the museum that I went to.
9:26
SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
9:27
SPEAKER_03: But it's not the actual prison cells.
9:30
SPEAKER_03: However, the piece of wood I was talking about that you touch for good luck to go under, a woman's supposed to be.
9:37
SPEAKER_03: That was real.
9:38
SPEAKER_03: That was an actual plank pulled from the actual prison cells.
9:42
SPEAKER_03: That was in the prison to the museum.
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SPEAKER_03: Did walk under.
9:44
SPEAKER_03: So side note, one of those.
9:46
SPEAKER_03: We weren't sure.
9:47
SPEAKER_01: I was doubting Megan on the last episode saying, eh, did you really see the real prison in my I was?
9:53
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I mean spiritualized.
9:54
SPEAKER_03: I felt that plank of wood and took me back in time, like I was there.
10:00
SPEAKER_03: So anyway.
10:01
SPEAKER_03: So back to back to the types of pirates.
10:03
SPEAKER_01: Um we digress.
10:05
SPEAKER_01: So so we were kind of researching this, and it depend like everyone has a little bit of an different interpretation of what each of these types mean.
10:13
SPEAKER_01: But just to kind of be succinct with what we're talking about here, so the term privateer, and we'll focus on that word throughout this one because that's what Captain Kidd was.
10:22
SPEAKER_01: Um, but a privateer is someone who's essentially hired during wartime to attack and attack enemy ships.
10:29
SPEAKER_01: So they are pirates in the sense that they do the things pirates do, they probably live a very similar lifestyle, they're probably also straight up pirates, but they're hired by a specific military, a specific country, saying, Hey, you know, we're the British, we're at war with the French, you go and you attack French.
10:44
SPEAKER_01: It was legal.
10:46
SPEAKER_03: And the way that they actually made money was, hey, whatever you get to loot on this ship, split it up, those are your wages.
10:55
SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
10:55
SPEAKER_03: Um, there wasn't like a guaranteed percentage, I guess, of what they had to give back to the government.
11:00
SPEAKER_03: So they I mean, you could say whatever you wanted to say, like, oh, there was only one gold.
11:03
SPEAKER_03: I found two gold bars.
11:05
SPEAKER_03: Yeah, but really they are thriving in gold.
11:08
SPEAKER_03: So that was the payoff for yeah putting yourself out there and putting your life at risk.
11:12
SPEAKER_01: Exactly.
11:13
SPEAKER_01: So that's the term privateer, is that technically you were commissioned by some sort of you know higher power.
11:19
SPEAKER_01: Um and then we get to the term buccaneer.
11:22
SPEAKER_01: This is probably the one that people understand the least um because it can refer to both uh pirates and um private privateers.
11:31
SPEAKER_01: And but it was during a specific era in the Spanish main area.
11:35
SPEAKER_01: Um do you know what the era was specifically?
11:37
SPEAKER_01: I can't remember the exact years.
11:43
SPEAKER_01: And the time frame?
11:44
SPEAKER_03: Oh the time frame?
11:45
SPEAKER_03: Oh, like 16, 17, 18.
11:46
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I think they said 1616.
11:49
SPEAKER_03: Jack Sparrow.
11:49
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, essentially down around that time, and this fictional time, um, and in the Spanish main.
11:56
SPEAKER_03: Like a younger Orlando Bloom type of thing.
11:59
SPEAKER_01: Uh yeah, around that.
12:00
SPEAKER_01: Um, so that's the term buccaneer.
12:02
SPEAKER_01: It's kind of all-encompassing of both pirates and privateers in that area and that time frame.
12:06
SPEAKER_01: Um, and then this great French word, corsair.
12:10
SPEAKER_01: Corsair?
12:11
SPEAKER_01: Corsair.
12:11
SPEAKER_01: Corsair.
12:12
SPEAKER_01: Sure, Corsair.
12:13
SPEAKER_01: I thought you were learning French.
12:14
SPEAKER_01: What happened?
12:14
SPEAKER_01: I am.
12:15
SPEAKER_01: That's not until level 15.
12:18
SPEAKER_01: I don't know.
12:18
SPEAKER_01: I don't think we ever get to that word in Duolingo.
12:22
SPEAKER_03: That is basically a privateer, but of the Mediterranean.
12:25
SPEAKER_01: Exactly.
12:25
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, so it was uh privateer uh of specifically the Mediterranean area.
12:29
SPEAKER_01: They usually um were focused on the North African ports.
12:33
SPEAKER_01: Uh so yeah, fun fact.
12:34
SPEAKER_01: If you hear those different terms, they don't just mean the same thing.
12:37
SPEAKER_01: People just use it interchangeably with pirate, but they have different meanings.
12:39
SPEAKER_03: And what does pirate mean?
12:41
SPEAKER_01: Pirate means you don't give a shit.
12:43
SPEAKER_03: That means you're enemies with everyone.
12:45
SPEAKER_01: Pirate is literally like you are the roguest of the rogue.
12:48
SPEAKER_01: You are just out there.
12:49
SPEAKER_01: No rules.
12:50
SPEAKER_01: Take it down.
12:51
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, which is what a pirate should be.
12:52
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, you do wear.
12:55
SPEAKER_01: In honor of our pirates.
12:56
SPEAKER_01: Yes.
12:56
SPEAKER_01: Yes.
12:57
SPEAKER_03: We switch from wine to rum.
12:59
SPEAKER_01: I'm trying to find drinks that best exemplify what we're talking about.
13:02
SPEAKER_01: And you know, obviously rum.
13:04
SPEAKER_01: I'm kind of sad we didn't go with Sailor Jerry, I will say.
13:06
SPEAKER_01: I think that's Captain Morgan.
13:08
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I guess.
13:08
SPEAKER_01: We're talking about a Captain Morgan.
13:10
SPEAKER_01: No, but we're talking about a captain, so why not go with Captain Morgan versus Sailor Jerry, who's just a friggin' sailor.
13:16
SPEAKER_03: He's like a tattoo artist.
13:17
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, sure.
13:18
SPEAKER_03: I like Kraken.
13:19
unknown: That's my rum.
13:20
SPEAKER_03: That's a good one.
13:22
SPEAKER_03: Okay, so William Kidd.
13:25
SPEAKER_03: Interesting fellow.
13:27
SPEAKER_03: So he was very much it wasn't probably um intentional for him to become a pirate.
13:35
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah.
13:36
SPEAKER_01: He really was a privateer by trade um and fell into piracy because his own crew was pretty mutinous.
13:44
SPEAKER_01: Um, and so he actually like became a pirate while on board with other pirates.
13:49
SPEAKER_01: So he was a Scottishman who had actually went to New York.
13:53
SPEAKER_01: Um, he had a wife there named Sarah, they had a family.
13:57
SPEAKER_01: Um, and then it wasn't until he returned back to Europe, he was uh in in London, um, working for I believe it was the the English government as a privateer.
14:07
SPEAKER_01: Um and that's when he kind of he turned.
14:10
SPEAKER_01: Um so he he again like didn't really mean to be a pirate, he fell into it, um, but it suited him very, very well.
14:16
SPEAKER_01: He was a pretty savage guy, he was known to have a lot of temper tantrums.
14:20
SPEAKER_01: He was he was genteel in nature because he had been around gentlemen his whole whole life in New York.
14:26
SPEAKER_01: His family was very high society, they were friends with the governor, so he knew how to play the gentleman role.
14:31
SPEAKER_01: But as a pirate aboard the high seas, you know, desperate, hungry, yeah.
14:36
SPEAKER_01: He was a heavy drinker, yeah, heavy drinker.
14:38
SPEAKER_03: He's a bad temper.
14:39
SPEAKER_03: He wasn't very nice to his crew.
14:41
SPEAKER_03: No, I I think like I think Captain Kid, after reading more about him, I think he's the like stereotypical version of a pirate captain, of kind of mean to his crew, drinking a lot.
14:56
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
14:56
SPEAKER_03: Sort of, I don't know.
14:58
SPEAKER_01: I would say so.
14:59
SPEAKER_01: Um, because again, he has the good cop bad cop thing where you're like, you want to be his friend and he's a cool guy because he has these gentlemanly ways.
15:06
SPEAKER_01: Um, but he also is not afraid to like F anybody up on board.
15:10
SPEAKER_03: Sure, he was a pretty mean guy.
15:12
SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
15:12
SPEAKER_03: Then he was cruising around the Caribbean, so he's literally the pirate of the Caribbean.
15:16
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, he is.
15:17
SPEAKER_01: He's Jack Sparrow, probably a less funny version of Jack Sparrow.
15:21
SPEAKER_01: More serious version.
15:23
SPEAKER_01: Um but he he also was known to uh again punish people pretty harshly.
15:27
SPEAKER_01: They the I read a couple things saying that he would hang people, not like uh, you know, like hang people, but he would like hold people um by their wrist or their hands, um, and he would slash them with his cutlass, which you know, his sword.
15:41
SPEAKER_01: Um so that was a form of torture or punishment that he would give to people if they were being a little I don't even know what they would do wrong.
15:49
SPEAKER_01: Well, how would you piss off a captain?
15:50
SPEAKER_01: You're a pirate, you can do whatever you want, I guess.
15:52
SPEAKER_01: I don't know, you don't follow orders.
15:54
SPEAKER_01: I mean, it's like there's no rules, so no matter what you're doing, jerk starting fights.
15:59
SPEAKER_01: Uh yeah, yeah.
16:01
SPEAKER_03: So he was a privateer, so he was commissioned by the English government to police the Americas, the Americas, basically.
16:08
SPEAKER_03: So he um primarily he was um what was it called?
16:14
SPEAKER_03: Like not sentence, what's the word I'm thinking of?
16:17
SPEAKER_03: Like uh uh commissioned commissioned assigned, assigned is the word.
16:22
SPEAKER_03: He was assigned to attack the French ships.
16:26
SPEAKER_03: So he had all the liberty in the world, if they were a French ship, loot them, take them down, destroy them, take everything.
16:34
SPEAKER_01: Exactly.
16:35
SPEAKER_03: But so going back to how they took their payment from um the loot, he didn't share the wealth with his crew evenly.
16:42
SPEAKER_03: So that was part of it that started that started the mutiny.
16:46
SPEAKER_03: And then on top of that, they're cruising around Madagascar and the Caribbeans, and there was a dry spell where they just didn't find any ships.
16:55
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
16:55
SPEAKER_03: And when you don't find ships and you can't loot them, you're not getting any money.
16:59
SPEAKER_03: No.
16:59
SPEAKER_03: So his crew's getting upset.
17:01
SPEAKER_01: And you're getting cabin fever, you're getting bored.
17:02
SPEAKER_03: Cabin fever.
17:03
SPEAKER_03: Why didn't my mind just go to Muppet Treasure Island?
17:06
SPEAKER_01: That's the best song ever.
17:07
SPEAKER_03: Where does that song go?
17:08
SPEAKER_03: We've got Cabin Fever.
17:10
SPEAKER_01: We've got Cabin Fever.
17:12
SPEAKER_01: That's the greatest movie.
17:13
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, talk about great pirate movies, man.
17:15
SPEAKER_01: That might be up there.
17:16
SPEAKER_02: History to Hollywood, Pirates of the Caribbean.
17:19
SPEAKER_01: We're not doing that segment today, but my god, we just have to say Muppet Treasure Island, beautiful.
17:24
SPEAKER_01: Beautiful, beautiful pieces.
17:25
SPEAKER_03: Beautiful piece of work from Jim Henson and uh Tim Curry.
17:30
SPEAKER_01: His musical number.
17:31
SPEAKER_01: We just watched that movie.
17:33
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, fun fact.
17:34
SPEAKER_01: Uh we had a girls' weekend recently, and me and Megan were here early, like setting up everything for the girls' weekend.
17:40
SPEAKER_01: We got really invested in that.
17:42
SPEAKER_01: We really just wanted to pop something in to have in the background.
17:44
SPEAKER_01: She's like, oh my god, I'm up at Treasure Island.
17:46
SPEAKER_01: I was like, yeah, 100%.
17:48
SPEAKER_01: Uh a few of our friends came over, they're like, what are you watching?
17:51
SPEAKER_01: Um, Kermit.
17:52
SPEAKER_01: Uh you don't you don't know this movie.
17:54
SPEAKER_01: It's a staple of 1993 or whatever, whatever it is.
17:57
SPEAKER_01: Famous uh Alexander Dumas.
18:00
SPEAKER_01: Is he the one who wrote Treasure Island?
18:01
SPEAKER_01: How do you know?
18:02
SPEAKER_01: No, no, no.
18:02
SPEAKER_01: Robert Lewis Stevenson.
18:03
SPEAKER_01: I don't know.
18:04
SPEAKER_01: I have to look it up.
18:05
SPEAKER_01: Famous author.
18:07
SPEAKER_01: We're gonna go back to William.
18:09
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, here we go.
18:10
SPEAKER_03: Will.
18:11
SPEAKER_03: I just think it's funny too.
18:13
SPEAKER_03: Oh, yeah, based on it reminds me of Pirates of the Canadian.
18:16
SPEAKER_03: Sure.
18:16
SPEAKER_01: Oh, we forgot to kick this off too.
18:18
SPEAKER_01: Um, so William's father was in fact lost at sea, just like pirates.
18:24
SPEAKER_01: Just like pirates.
18:25
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, he uh no, it it's true.
18:27
SPEAKER_01: Uh his pirate or his father, his father was also we we imagine that he was a pirate based on his history, but yeah, he was completely lost at sea.
18:35
SPEAKER_01: So he was raised just by like people within the town.
18:39
SPEAKER_01: So again, he grew up to be a gentleman and everything, so he kind of like fought that battle of like growing up without a father figure.
18:45
SPEAKER_01: But yeah, just like Pirates Movie Five.
18:49
SPEAKER_01: Movie five, wow lost his father to the sea.
18:53
SPEAKER_03: So let's get into a little bit of how did he get in trouble?
18:58
SPEAKER_03: Because this is a story about execution.
19:00
SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
19:00
SPEAKER_03: So he knows.
19:01
SPEAKER_03: You know, you know he gets in trouble.
19:02
SPEAKER_03: He does get caught.
19:05
SPEAKER_01: So what what basically had happened was um after all of his exploits, you know, after all of his sailing around the world, um, he finally was taken over by his own crew, and this was after he's already a pirate.
19:16
SPEAKER_01: So this was another mutinous crew who was um willing to kind of I don't know, take him down.
19:23
SPEAKER_01: Uh he knew that he had to be on the run.
19:25
SPEAKER_01: So it was after he had spent most of his career in his um famous ship, the Adventure Galley, um, that ship was was done.
19:32
SPEAKER_01: There was officially no more voyages, and once that uh era had kind of ended in that specific ship, he thought, okay, this is my opportunity to like run.
19:41
SPEAKER_01: Because he just knew he was marked.
19:43
SPEAKER_01: Like he knew that because of the mutiny of his crew, because of all the crimes he had committed, um, that there was really no place for him in society.
19:49
SPEAKER_01: So he kind of was on the run for a while.
19:51
SPEAKER_01: The way that they caught him was that the governor, who he was once friends with in New York, lured him back to New York.
19:59
SPEAKER_01: Um, he basically uh told William Kidd that he was on his side, that if he came to him now quietly, that there would be a lot of leniency and he can maybe have his old lifestyle back with his wife in New York.
20:09
SPEAKER_01: Which side note, what does your wife do the whole time?
20:11
SPEAKER_01: You're just pillaging the entire walk.
20:15
SPEAKER_01: I mean, but she's not a widow.
20:16
SPEAKER_01: I mean, she's just hanging out like in New York, like what, partying without her husband?
20:20
SPEAKER_01: Like, hey, I don't know where my husband has not seen him in five years.
20:22
SPEAKER_01: He's out pirating somewhere.
20:24
SPEAKER_01: Like, I don't know how she maintained her status.
20:26
SPEAKER_03: I know what I would do.
20:27
SPEAKER_03: I would probably be taking long baths and just like cooking my favorite meal.
20:33
SPEAKER_03: I would have the most luxurious countryside life and be like, oh, my husband's off doing good work for.
20:40
SPEAKER_01: That's a very PC way to look at it.
20:42
unknown: I'm just kidding.
20:43
SPEAKER_03: I'm a very PC person.
20:44
SPEAKER_01: Good, good.
20:45
SPEAKER_01: Oh, Megan.
20:46
SPEAKER_01: I would also do that.
20:48
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
20:49
unknown: I'm just kidding.
20:50
SPEAKER_03: There'd be a lot of rum as well.
20:51
SPEAKER_01: Oh, yeah.
20:52
SPEAKER_01: Occasional, occasional afternoons with my friends.
20:55
SPEAKER_01: So rum.
20:56
SPEAKER_03: So the way that he that things really went down though is there the very important ship that we need to highlight is the Kita merchant or Quita merchant.
21:06
SPEAKER_03: It's kind of a funny word.
21:07
SPEAKER_03: It's Q-U-E-D-A-G-H.
21:11
unknown: Yes.
21:11
SPEAKER_03: Keda.
21:13
SPEAKER_03: And in his trial, William is absolutely adamant that this was a French ship.
21:23
SPEAKER_03: And he was a privateer.
21:25
SPEAKER_03: Yeah, and he was commissioned to go after the French ships.
21:29
SPEAKER_03: Um, they find out this is an Armenian ship, which now makes him a pirate because he attacked a ship that is not without permission under his authorization.
21:39
SPEAKER_01: Exactly.
21:39
SPEAKER_03: So he gets um arrested in Boston, they send him back to England.
21:44
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, and type of tying it back to what I said, like that's how it happened was that this governor had lured him back to New York, um, and then they again arrested him.
21:52
SPEAKER_01: Um, the arrested the arresting happened in Boston, and then again they sent him back to London to be tried.
21:58
SPEAKER_01: So they were like, okay, like you.
22:00
SPEAKER_01: You are originally a Scottishman, this is where you go.
22:02
SPEAKER_01: Uh he stood before the House of Commons, I believe, for his trial.
22:06
SPEAKER_03: Yeah, he was the only pirate who was uh had his trial in the House of Commons.
22:11
SPEAKER_03: Because that's a pretty prestigious place to be.
22:14
SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
22:14
SPEAKER_03: And most pirates were the scum and they were petty cases.
22:18
SPEAKER_03: Yeah, they were petty cases.
22:19
SPEAKER_03: And uh I think um Captain Kidd was probably the most one of the most famous pirates, but we have to remember he wa he had all these good ties with the government and these elite British advisors and the Yeah, and in America as well.
22:34
SPEAKER_03: Yeah, and probably all the way up to the king there was ties to him.
22:37
SPEAKER_03: So this was a big deal.
22:39
SPEAKER_03: And if you are in the center of, you know, if you're in England at this time, this is like what's in the tabloids.
22:45
SPEAKER_03: This is the this is the hot gossip.
22:48
SPEAKER_03: Is wait, this we all know William Kidd, what?
22:51
SPEAKER_03: He's a pirate, yeah.
22:52
SPEAKER_03: Shock.
22:53
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
22:54
SPEAKER_01: Um, so I think his actual um charge was five counts of piracy and one count of murder.
23:01
SPEAKER_01: Let's talk about that murder.
23:02
SPEAKER_01: Oh yeah, yeah.
23:03
SPEAKER_01: You can go ahead and uh kick off the murder.
23:05
SPEAKER_03: Yeah, William Moore.
23:06
SPEAKER_03: So he was on his crew.
23:07
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
23:08
SPEAKER_03: And this was when the mutiny was starting.
23:11
SPEAKER_03: There's there was, you know, a lot of tempers flaring and things were pretty tense on their ship.
23:17
SPEAKER_03: They're out in the Indies um or near Madagascar, actually.
23:22
SPEAKER_03: They're cruising around, and it was his gunner, was William Moore.
23:27
SPEAKER_03: And of course, this is where things kind of get a little muddled of what happened and what actually went down.
23:34
SPEAKER_03: But what we do know is the term lousy dog was thrown out there, so they were in a fight.
23:40
SPEAKER_03: Um, likely what was happening was William Moore was was starting up this, was kind of the leader of this mutiny of his crew.
23:47
SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
23:47
SPEAKER_03: And Kid was, you know, like, oh hell no, I'm gonna show them who's boss, I'm the captain, I am gonna put them in their place.
23:55
SPEAKER_03: So he smacks William on the side with the iron with a bucket, so it hits him in the head with a bucket.
24:02
SPEAKER_01: Um I've fractured his skull.
24:04
SPEAKER_03: Fractured his skull, and he actually died the night the next day.
24:06
SPEAKER_01: The next day, so not yeah, died on impact.
24:08
SPEAKER_01: It was died uh the following day.
24:12
SPEAKER_03: But here's the thing we don't know is this manslaughter, is this murder with an intent?
24:18
SPEAKER_03: Is this second degree murder?
24:20
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
24:21
SPEAKER_01: So Because then I mean, you know, similar to what we were talking about, the last episodes where it was common to be harsh with your uh servants, very obviously common to be very harsh with your crew if you were captain.
24:31
SPEAKER_01: So again, you could you could punish them by any means you felt necessary, but because he smacked them on the head with a bucket and died the next day, again, murder.
24:40
SPEAKER_03: However, um, I think it's sorry, hold on, Ringam, I had something to say now, I forgot what it was.
24:47
SPEAKER_03: That's okay.
24:48
SPEAKER_03: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
24:49
SPEAKER_03: I I did watch this one really interesting interview from I don't know, some doctor, brain doctor, what do you call him?
24:56
SPEAKER_03: Neurologists.
24:58
SPEAKER_03: She was talking more about head injuries and what that could have meant.
25:02
SPEAKER_03: And uh really, there's some theories it was an iron bucket, some it was just a regular bucket, but this person actually believed that maybe William Moore had scurvy, which actually resulted in soft bones and excessive bleeding, and scurvy was a a pretty prominent disease amongst pirates because they're out on sea at sea all the time.
25:24
SPEAKER_03: So they think that in most situations the bucket would not have actually killed someone, sure, but because this guy had a soft skull, maybe the damage went a little bit too hard.
25:37
SPEAKER_03: I think it was unintentional.
25:38
SPEAKER_03: I think you know what I mean reading about William, I feel like yeah, Megan's like, he's a good guy.
25:43
SPEAKER_01: He's kind of just a privateer guy.
25:46
SPEAKER_01: Drive into the wrong situation.
25:48
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, you hit one person with one bucket, all of a sudden you're a murderer.
25:51
SPEAKER_03: So between his attack of the Kita merchant and these other alleged pirate attacks, alleged.
26:01
SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
26:01
SPEAKER_01: Plus five counts of piracy, I guess.
26:03
SPEAKER_03: Poor little bucket situation with William Moore.
26:06
SPEAKER_01: Um Yeah, he they were out to get him.
26:08
SPEAKER_01: Um so they found him uh you said Boston, right?
26:12
SPEAKER_03: I think they got him in Boston and they shipped him back to England.
26:15
SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
26:15
SPEAKER_03: That's kind of the inverse story.
26:17
SPEAKER_01: Before they found him, when he was kind of like going all along the uh the Atlantic corridor trying to find safety, um, I guess he had gone like uh he was through long going through Long Island for a bit of time.
26:28
SPEAKER_01: Um, and so it became kind of funny because someone had said that uh the land like Long Island was the land of lawless and unruly people who were protecting pirates.
26:37
SPEAKER_01: Like it was like it was known to be that place of like, oh, these like these lousy inhabitants that protect their pirates, which is funny.
26:43
SPEAKER_01: It's uh my my boyfriend's from the boyfriend's from Like should we tell him that?
26:47
SPEAKER_03: Yeah, not that he listens to our podcast.
26:49
SPEAKER_03: He hasn't yet, thanks.
26:50
SPEAKER_01: Appreciate it.
26:52
SPEAKER_01: No, he can't he can listen on his own time eventually.
26:56
SPEAKER_03: So we're in the in the trial, and I find this part the most interesting because it really comes down to a conspiracy theory of how fair this trial was.
27:07
SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
27:08
SPEAKER_03: The biggest piece of evidence he had, the thing that William was going with about the Kita merchant, was he believed, truly believed it was a French ship.
27:20
SPEAKER_03: And had it been a French ship, what he did was completely legal.
27:24
SPEAKER_03: It would have been okay, he wouldn't have been guilty.
27:26
SPEAKER_03: However, it was an Armenian ship.
27:29
SPEAKER_03: So he is confident that there was paperwork, what they called the French passes, that would have showed, yes, this was a French ship.
27:36
SPEAKER_03: He also believed the French um flag was flying.
27:40
SPEAKER_03: He said there was no reason for me to believe I shouldn't have taken the ship down.
27:43
SPEAKER_03: Right.
27:44
SPEAKER_03: Um and they could they looked and looked and looked, supposedly looked very hard, I'm sure.
27:50
SPEAKER_03: Could not find the French paperwork that he knew was out there someplace.
27:54
SPEAKER_03: Um I love this quote.
27:57
SPEAKER_03: I love this.
27:58
SPEAKER_03: So he was he kept trying to delay the trial and pausing it because he needed that evidence.
28:04
SPEAKER_03: And he said, I quote, refusing to start the trial, he says, I will become an accomplice to my own death if I plead without those passes.
28:13
SPEAKER_03: So the clerk was saying, Hey, if you don't plead, that means you're guilty.
28:18
SPEAKER_03: So you need a plea right now.
28:20
SPEAKER_03: He ends up pleaing not guilty, they never get the passes, um, they say they don't exist, and so he's found guilty.
28:28
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, and he's sentenced to death by hanging.
28:31
SPEAKER_01: And this is a really fascinating part because he was hanged twice.
28:36
SPEAKER_01: So the first one Oh wait, hold on.
28:38
SPEAKER_03: Before we get to the hanging, we have to get to the the buildup of the hanging.
28:41
SPEAKER_03: Oh, go ahead.
28:42
SPEAKER_03: Okay.
28:42
SPEAKER_03: There's a lot of buildup.
28:43
SPEAKER_03: This I this is my okay, I'm ready.
28:46
SPEAKER_03: So we talked about his trial, but this is what we really serious here.
28:51
SPEAKER_01: Oh, sorry, serious face.
28:52
SPEAKER_03: Serious face.
28:53
SPEAKER_03: This is the execution.
28:54
SPEAKER_03: We need to un drum roll.
28:56
SPEAKER_03: Like how they would do the Yeah, I know what a drumroll is.
29:00
SPEAKER_03: Um so he is being held in a it's in a prison.
29:07
SPEAKER_03: I forgot the name of it.
29:08
SPEAKER_03: In the cell.
29:10
SPEAKER_03: But it's it's further away from what they called the execution dock.
29:14
SPEAKER_03: Execution dock is capitalized, it is a place.
29:17
SPEAKER_03: This is no, it's a proper noun.
29:19
SPEAKER_03: It is a proper noun.
29:20
SPEAKER_03: It is the actual permanent gallows that they held these pirate executions at.
29:27
SPEAKER_03: So where he was held was quite a bit of a holding cell, essentially.
29:32
SPEAKER_01: Um Does it have a specific name?
29:36
SPEAKER_03: Yes.
29:38
SPEAKER_03: I can't find it though.
29:40
SPEAKER_03: Uh yes, I have it.
29:41
SPEAKER_03: He was held in a jail called Newgate Newgate Gowl.
29:47
SPEAKER_01: I'm glad we waited for that one.
29:49
SPEAKER_02: G-A-O-L.
29:50
SPEAKER_02: How would you say that?
29:51
SPEAKER_01: G-A-O-L?
29:52
SPEAKER_02: G-A-O-L.
29:53
SPEAKER_02: Newgate Gowl.
29:56
SPEAKER_01: Gowl.
29:57
SPEAKER_01: Gow.
29:59
SPEAKER_01: Gowl.
30:00
SPEAKER_01: Okay, sure.
30:02
SPEAKER_01: Um it, Megan, we need to be better about pronunciation.
30:05
SPEAKER_01: That whole thing.
30:06
SPEAKER_01: Next time we're gonna be deleted.
30:07
SPEAKER_01: No, no, next time we're gonna have a cheat sheet that's like, okay, when you're in your moronic state of mind, this is the syllables you say to make the word you're trying to.
30:16
SPEAKER_03: Okay, we're gonna pause and we're gonna say it correctly so we sound educated.
30:21
SPEAKER_03: He was being held in the jail called Newgate Goal.
30:27
SPEAKER_03: Sorry.
30:28
SPEAKER_03: Alright, we're gonna move on.
30:29
SPEAKER_03: So they um, it was actually him with three other prisoners who were going to be hanged at execution dock.
30:36
SPEAKER_01: Wow.
30:36
SPEAKER_03: It was a guy named Darby Mullins, who was an Irish guy.
30:39
SPEAKER_01: Do we are were these people who were associated with him, like his uh comrades?
30:44
SPEAKER_03: One was.
30:45
SPEAKER_03: So the rest of them all got off.
30:46
SPEAKER_03: Him and an Irish guy called I love that name, Darby.
30:50
SPEAKER_01: Darby?
30:51
SPEAKER_01: I actually I know Darby.
30:52
SPEAKER_01: Darby Mullins.
30:53
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I don't know how I feel about it.
30:55
SPEAKER_03: And then two French men, which is really ironic to me because his whole thing was taking down the French, now he's like, hey guys, sorry, so fucking with these guys.
31:03
SPEAKER_03: About that.
31:04
SPEAKER_03: Um, so they're in a two-horse drawn, horse-drawn cart, and it's a two-hour journey from the jail cell to the gallows.
31:13
SPEAKER_03: What a what a ride.
31:14
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
31:16
SPEAKER_01: Ride.
31:16
SPEAKER_01: Sounds like fun.
31:17
SPEAKER_01: Super exciting.
31:18
SPEAKER_03: However, all the people, so this again, we kind of talked about this last time, how the execution was a whole affair of the town, and they had um, you know, they would have had people passing out food and entertainment, and it was a thing, and people are all crowding around the cart, following the cart and getting to the execution dock.
31:40
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it's like a little parade.
31:41
SPEAKER_01: It's like a parade.
31:42
SPEAKER_03: It's like a circus parade going through town, and you're like, the pickpocketers were out, they were all doing their business.
31:48
SPEAKER_03: It's a thing, no, isn't it?
31:49
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I am sure.
31:51
SPEAKER_03: It was.
31:53
SPEAKER_03: And so this is my favorite part.
31:55
SPEAKER_03: They all they were stopping at bars or like saloons.
31:58
SPEAKER_03: It's like a pub crawl.
31:59
SPEAKER_02: It was like a pub cross.
32:00
SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
32:00
SPEAKER_03: They were stopping at bars all the way around.
32:02
SPEAKER_03: And getting them super drunk.
32:04
SPEAKER_03: Yes, they kept getting drinks for the prisoners.
32:07
SPEAKER_01: That's kind of fun.
32:08
SPEAKER_03: I mean, like, yes, please.
32:11
SPEAKER_01: Well, and not even that, it's like, yeah, okay, yeah, you want to be drunk when you're about to be hanged, that's fine.
32:16
SPEAKER_01: But it's also nice that you kind of have your last hours in like a party setting.
32:20
SPEAKER_01: You know, you're like, oh, you're in this circus parade pub crawling, you're just going through town.
32:23
SPEAKER_01: Execution pub crawling.
32:24
SPEAKER_01: They're buying you rum.
32:25
SPEAKER_03: Idea.
32:26
SPEAKER_01: You want that?
32:28
SPEAKER_01: I mean Megan's eyes just got real excited.
32:31
SPEAKER_01: So next Halloween.
32:34
SPEAKER_03: Um, not that we would actually execute someone.
32:37
SPEAKER_01: Well, so not yet.
32:39
SPEAKER_01: I got a lot of people on my list.
32:41
SPEAKER_03: William Kidd is now wasted by the time he gets to the gallows.
32:44
SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
32:45
SPEAKER_03: And I think that's my favorite part of this whole execution.
32:48
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, well, that's fun.
32:49
SPEAKER_01: Again, so there's this little silver lining in his life.
32:51
SPEAKER_01: It's like, yeah, you're a privateer.
32:53
SPEAKER_01: You thought you were doing things right your whole life, and you end your life in a party.
32:56
SPEAKER_01: Is that so bad?
32:56
SPEAKER_01: Not so bad.
32:57
SPEAKER_01: Not so bad.
32:58
SPEAKER_01: A lot of followers and friends.
32:59
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
33:01
SPEAKER_01: Unlike our Instagram.
33:04
SPEAKER_01: Just kidding, it's getting there.
33:06
SPEAKER_01: You guys love it.
33:07
SPEAKER_01: Um he was only 47 at the time, by the way.
33:09
SPEAKER_01: So um so this was May 23rd, 1701, is when he officially was uh killed.
33:15
SPEAKER_03: Yep.
33:16
SPEAKER_01: Um, and again, dual hanging.
33:17
SPEAKER_01: So back to my original thing.
33:19
SPEAKER_03: Now you can get into what you now I can talk about the dual hanging.
33:21
SPEAKER_01: So it was really interesting because again, he was sentenced sentenced to death um by hanging, but the first hanging didn't work.
33:29
SPEAKER_01: So essentially they like they hanged him, and I believe it was the rope that snapped.
33:33
SPEAKER_01: Is that right?
33:34
SPEAKER_03: That's what I had.
33:35
SPEAKER_03: The rope snapped.
33:36
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, which um fun fact, Megan was a hanged witch for Halloween.
33:40
SPEAKER_01: Oh, I was like, Oh, can I tell them the story?
33:43
SPEAKER_01: Well, yeah, she uh had some noose problems, so it makes sense that it would snap.
33:46
SPEAKER_01: It's news really complicated.
33:48
SPEAKER_03: It's a real thing.
33:48
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
33:49
SPEAKER_03: Hashtag noose problems.
33:50
SPEAKER_03: Yeah, and Megan.
33:51
SPEAKER_03: I really shouldn't joke about this, first of all.
33:53
SPEAKER_01: We shouldn't, but also Megan, after searching like how to make news, like what's the right way to her times on my phone.
34:00
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, she started getting targeted ads that were like life's worth it.
34:04
SPEAKER_03: I was getting a lot of suicide prevention hotline at uh things.
34:10
SPEAKER_03: I just want to say I I to get serious for a moment.
34:13
SPEAKER_03: Oh I absolutely, if you are having a hard time, do not listen to our podcast to learn how to tie a noose.
34:20
SPEAKER_03: Do not do that.
34:21
SPEAKER_03: We're not gonna do a step-by-step, so we're not super helpful.
34:24
SPEAKER_01: If you were looking hotline, if you're looking to do that path, we're you're not gonna find out here.
34:28
SPEAKER_01: We don't know how to you know how to tie a noose.
34:30
SPEAKER_01: We're not gonna explain.
34:33
SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
34:33
SPEAKER_03: To make it, I was so I was a hanged witch, like the Salem witch trials, and I wanted a loose noose around my neck.
34:42
SPEAKER_03: Loosey noosey.
34:43
SPEAKER_03: Yeah, loosey noosey with like the old school rope.
34:46
SPEAKER_03: Which, first of all, even just getting that from the Home Depot, oh yeah, it's a whole separate story.
34:51
SPEAKER_03: Yeah, I started a fire.
34:53
SPEAKER_03: That was really fun.
34:54
SPEAKER_01: No, Megan did not start the fire.
34:57
SPEAKER_01: Incompetent, like 16-year-old you bought the rope from.
34:59
SPEAKER_03: It's like 24.
35:00
SPEAKER_03: Okay.
35:01
SPEAKER_03: But so when you go to Home Depot and you purchase um rope and it's on a giant spool, and you measure out what you want, and then they have this little blade that they heat up, and you have to go, I don't.
35:13
SPEAKER_03: An employee does it for you.
35:15
SPEAKER_03: Well, this rope is really thick, and the guy kept like and it starts smoking, and it's like, uh, the rope is smoking.
35:22
SPEAKER_03: He's like, Yeah, look at that.
35:24
SPEAKER_03: Weird.
35:25
SPEAKER_03: And then he starts blowing on it, I'm like, mmm.
35:28
SPEAKER_03: Smart.
35:28
SPEAKER_03: And it just goes up in flames because it's like it's dry straw.
35:32
SPEAKER_03: It's like dry old rope.
35:33
SPEAKER_01: He has a fan, he's like, Don't worry, I got it.
35:35
SPEAKER_03: So the he maybe I shouldn't say this is Home Depot.
35:38
SPEAKER_03: So the employee hands it to me.
35:40
SPEAKER_03: Sorry, unknown large unknown large hardware store.
35:46
SPEAKER_03: Um, he hands it to me, he's like, uh, hold on, just hold this for one sec.
35:50
SPEAKER_03: I'm gonna go get water.
35:52
SPEAKER_03: And I it the rope wasn't long enough for me to just like step on it, so I'm holding this burning rope in aisle 23.
35:59
SPEAKER_03: And people are walking by and a 20.
36:01
SPEAKER_03: And he runs back and gets.
36:03
SPEAKER_01: I just imagine Megan standing there with this rope aflame.
36:06
SPEAKER_01: That was me.
36:08
SPEAKER_01: And people are like, uh, should we help her?
36:10
SPEAKER_01: Like it's fine, we're getting.
36:12
SPEAKER_01: No, no, he said it's fine.
36:13
SPEAKER_01: He said he shouldn't do this, but it's fine, it's fine.
36:16
SPEAKER_01: So we get I get the rope.
36:18
SPEAKER_01: Like verbal meme of like the dog sitting in the room with everything on fly, just like, this is fine, everything's fine.
36:24
SPEAKER_03: Um but it actually made the rope look cool because it was.
36:27
SPEAKER_01: I was gonna say it looked real life because it was all singed and it was singy, it looks ancient.
36:32
SPEAKER_03: Making the actual noose where you get like the loops around.
36:35
SPEAKER_03: I'm doing hand motions like anyone can see.
36:37
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it's like a corkscrew motion she's making, yeah.
36:40
SPEAKER_03: Um I I had to use like hot glue and hair ties and really good artsy crafts.
36:46
SPEAKER_03: It was hard to make.
36:47
SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
36:47
SPEAKER_01: I'm sure they did the same thing back in the day.
36:49
SPEAKER_01: They're like, hey, where's the bucket of hair ties?
36:52
SPEAKER_03: Where's the hot glue?
36:54
SPEAKER_03: Well, hopefully the executioner has done a lot of the work.
36:57
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I'm sure it's like a navy man, you know, who knows his knots, knows his way around a knot.
37:03
SPEAKER_03: Don't Google frequently how to tie a noose.
37:07
SPEAKER_03: That's all I have to say.
37:08
SPEAKER_03: Your phone is what you're doing.
37:09
SPEAKER_01: You're probably I told Megan she's probably on some sort of list somewhere.
37:12
SPEAKER_01: It's like, oh anyway, uh the rope snaps.
37:17
SPEAKER_01: Rope snaps.
37:17
SPEAKER_01: He falls to the ground.
37:19
SPEAKER_01: Noosey goosey neck.
37:20
SPEAKER_01: He's still alive.
37:21
SPEAKER_01: I really think it's because he was drunk.
37:23
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, no, we had that.
37:24
SPEAKER_01: We were talking about it beforehand.
37:25
SPEAKER_01: And I was like, honestly, like, if you're drunk, your neck's just probably like all right.
37:31
SPEAKER_01: It's not like a rigid neck, you're not tense, you didn't tense up, you're just like, yeah, okay.
37:36
SPEAKER_01: And you're it's like when they're so you're all relaxed and you know your weight just uh snaps the rope instead of your neck.
37:41
SPEAKER_03: Yeah, when you get hit by a car, they say if you know it's coming, you tense up naturally and it makes it worse for you.
37:49
SPEAKER_03: Absolutely.
37:49
SPEAKER_03: But if you loosen yourself up and you just don't care.
37:53
SPEAKER_03: That's an actual reaction.
37:54
SPEAKER_01: I think you should be worried if you just loosened up and were like, eh, whatever during a car.
37:58
SPEAKER_03: You don't know what's gonna happen.
38:00
SPEAKER_01: So uh so then they had to hang him twice.
38:04
SPEAKER_03: But the people thought it was a sign from God.
38:06
SPEAKER_01: They did.
38:06
SPEAKER_01: Actually, the crowd kind of revolted because they were like, oh my god, like this is a sign from God.
38:11
SPEAKER_01: He's not supposed to be hanged, especially because again, he had he wasn't a completely awful pirate.
38:16
SPEAKER_01: I mean, he had some sort of reputation.
38:18
SPEAKER_01: So they were like, Oh, we we can't just kill him now.
38:21
SPEAKER_01: I mean, God is saving him.
38:23
SPEAKER_01: They didn't care.
38:27
SPEAKER_03: They prayed over him again.
38:28
SPEAKER_03: They basically do the whole process of like, okay, guys.
38:31
SPEAKER_03: So minutes.
38:32
SPEAKER_03: Start from the top, let's get the priest back, do another prayer, tie him back up, and then second time success.
38:40
SPEAKER_01: We don't know if he strangled or uh, you know, neck neck snapped.
38:44
SPEAKER_01: I didn't find that either.
38:45
SPEAKER_01: We didn't know for sure.
38:46
SPEAKER_01: No, no real documentation.
38:48
SPEAKER_01: Um, but the one thing you might know about his death, and I thought this was actually like how he died, but no, it's they hanged him, and then what they did was they gibbeted his body over, um, and I'm gonna is it the river Thamis?
39:02
SPEAKER_01: Is that how you pronounce it?
39:03
SPEAKER_01: Thames.
39:04
SPEAKER_01: Saunos.
39:06
SPEAKER_01: Sorry.
39:07
SPEAKER_01: It's pretty well known.
39:08
SPEAKER_01: Um yeah, Thames, duh.
39:11
SPEAKER_01: I'm not drinking.
39:13
SPEAKER_01: Um, they gibbeted it over the river Thames um to be like to be a warning sign for all pirates that were passing through the area.
39:20
SPEAKER_01: So for three years, his body was dicked.
39:24
SPEAKER_00: Three years!
39:24
SPEAKER_01: Killing him.
39:26
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, no, three years he was gibbeted.
39:28
SPEAKER_01: And if you don't know what a gibbet is, you can you can Google it obviously to see a visual.
39:32
SPEAKER_01: But it's one of it's No, no, no, don't Google it.
39:34
SPEAKER_01: You will get weird ads covered.
39:37
SPEAKER_03: First, Google how to tie a noose, then how much research I've done recently on execution, torture, yeah, death.
39:45
SPEAKER_03: My my phone and my like personal computer, they think that I am like a psychopath.
39:50
SPEAKER_01: I give it anyway, is is is a device that is like a metal, um, I don't know, how do you explain it?
39:57
SPEAKER_01: It's basically like chains.
39:59
SPEAKER_01: Well, you wouldn't say chains, no.
40:00
SPEAKER_03: I heard chains in one.
40:02
SPEAKER_01: I mean, there I'm sure there's chains involved to like shackle you to it, but like it's basically like one of those big iron rings that goes around around a wheelbarrow.
40:09
SPEAKER_01: It's like a series of those all up and down your body.
40:13
SPEAKER_01: So you have one that goes around your head, one that goes around your mouth, one that goes around your shoulders, like you know, like just completely.
40:20
SPEAKER_03: Okay.
40:20
SPEAKER_03: I don't know if anybody's gonna know this reference.
40:23
SPEAKER_03: Oh no.
40:24
SPEAKER_03: Remember that movie called The Princess and the Goblin.
40:28
SPEAKER_03: Oh, do I?
40:30
SPEAKER_03: And remember the the Queen Goblin?
40:33
SPEAKER_01: She got gib how do you say they had the she died.
40:38
SPEAKER_01: No, no, but she was walking around with Oh, so like one scene of the movie she's gibendated.
40:41
SPEAKER_01: Okay, no, I get what you're saying.
40:42
SPEAKER_01: It's kind of like uh in movies where like they drop a chandelier on a person and the chandelier just goes perfectly around them and like you know like maybe gets them a little bit, it kind of like tightens up around them.
40:52
SPEAKER_01: But they leave this poor guy's body out for hanging over the river for three years.
40:57
SPEAKER_03: Yeah, and there were notes that it was slimy and bloated and rotting, yeah.
41:04
SPEAKER_03: And they don't know for sure.
41:05
SPEAKER_03: I mean, correct someone correct us if we do know for sure, but from my from what I could find, they don't know if it actually just rotted away like disintegrated.
41:15
SPEAKER_03: Or if they eventually took him out and and buried him.
41:18
SPEAKER_01: Well, I imagine even if his body disintegrated, his bones were probably still in this thing, you know.
41:23
SPEAKER_03: Wouldn't they fall?
41:24
SPEAKER_01: Maybe.
41:25
SPEAKER_03: I don't know.
41:26
SPEAKER_01: I don't really know.
41:27
SPEAKER_01: That's a great question.
41:27
SPEAKER_01: Like, did they just like all fall apart and like flop into the ocean?
41:30
SPEAKER_01: Or do they like stay erect and like in place?
41:33
SPEAKER_01: I don't know.
41:34
SPEAKER_01: Ooh, the whole skeleton.
41:35
SPEAKER_01: I mean, again, you know, I know we're only referencing most movies here, but it's like in movies they just show the whole skeleton and it's like Well, yeah, because that's the first scene of parts of the Caribbean.
41:43
SPEAKER_03: He go and they go like ye being worn, pirates ye being worn.
41:46
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, and he does his little like tip of the cap.
41:49
SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
41:49
SPEAKER_01: Um, so I don't know.
41:51
SPEAKER_01: Maybe the bones fell out, maybe someone moved them and actually gave him some sort of burial.
41:55
SPEAKER_01: If you have any information, let us know.
41:58
SPEAKER_03: What we do know though is so he was hanged over Tilbury Point.
42:03
SPEAKER_03: And there is an inner over River Thamis.
42:06
SPEAKER_01: Thamus.
42:07
unknown: Hanged.
42:08
SPEAKER_01: There were there is an inn there in honor of him.
42:10
SPEAKER_01: Called William Kidd.
42:12
SPEAKER_01: Called William Kidd Inn.
42:13
SPEAKER_01: I kind of really want to stay there.
42:15
SPEAKER_01: I know.
42:16
SPEAKER_01: Hey guys, one day if we get enough, like, you know, uh sponsoring, is that what they call it?
42:25
SPEAKER_01: Um it'd be really great if we could go to these places and we'll give you like a little behind the scenes, like, hey, this is William Kidd Inn.
42:31
SPEAKER_01: We're standing over the most famous River Thammus.
42:35
SPEAKER_03: Well God, please stop.
42:37
SPEAKER_03: No, well now we gotta get into the last part because I I was thinking, okay, we could go on a hunt for his bones, but better yet.
42:44
SPEAKER_01: A treasure hunt?
42:45
SPEAKER_03: A treasure hunt.
42:46
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, so they don't know again, all of the treasure that um he apparently found on um the most famous ship, the um I'm gonna say it wrong again.
42:56
SPEAKER_01: Kita merchant.
42:57
SPEAKER_01: Kita merchant.
42:58
SPEAKER_01: Um so all the all the treasure that he found above or aboard the Kita merchant um has said to have vanished.
43:05
SPEAKER_01: So they think he either buried it and used that as like a bargaining chip when he was um you know pleaing for his life.
43:11
SPEAKER_01: Like, hey, no, no, no, I know where the like placement of this treasure is, or they think that it was just lost at sea.
43:18
SPEAKER_01: So either way, that's very exciting because nobody knows where it is.
43:22
SPEAKER_01: Some people found silver bars off the coast of Madagascar and they think that was a part of the larger treasure.
43:27
SPEAKER_01: So the general theory is it's around Madagascar, but it could be anywhere, it could be in the Spanish Maine.
43:32
SPEAKER_01: We don't know.
43:33
SPEAKER_03: I just had this childhood flashback.
43:36
SPEAKER_01: Oh Megan sailing around the world looking for a treasure.
43:40
SPEAKER_03: I was I had like this full on pirate costume when I was a kid.
43:44
SPEAKER_03: Of course you did.
43:45
SPEAKER_03: I had a lot of costumes.
43:46
SPEAKER_03: I really loved costumes.
43:47
SPEAKER_03: I still do.
43:48
SPEAKER_03: You still do.
43:49
SPEAKER_03: I do.
43:49
SPEAKER_03: But I had a pirate costume and it came, I got it at Disneyland at the Pieces of Eight gift shop when you get out of the ride.
43:56
SPEAKER_03: I love that.
43:57
SPEAKER_03: You know, I was I like got all the By Club thirty three.
43:59
SPEAKER_03: Yes.
44:00
SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
44:00
SPEAKER_03: And I had the treasure map that looked like old parchment.
44:04
SPEAKER_03: Beautiful.
44:04
SPEAKER_03: And there was like the like, you know, logo of Disney and everything on it.
44:09
SPEAKER_03: Sure.
44:09
SPEAKER_03: And I remember this girl who I went to school with was telling me how she was going to Florida for her family vacation, and she was like, like coerced me into giving her the map.
44:19
SPEAKER_03: Because she was like convinced that she was gonna go find the treasure and she thought it was a real map.
44:24
SPEAKER_01: And the snap showed Florida?
44:25
SPEAKER_03: In my no, I don't yeah.
44:27
SPEAKER_03: And in my mind, I was like, what a dumb girl's idea.
44:30
SPEAKER_01: I was like, so you were old enough to know better, better.
44:33
SPEAKER_03: I think I was like seven or eight.
44:35
SPEAKER_03: I think I was like second or third.
44:36
SPEAKER_01: And she's like, hey, I'm going to Disney World.
44:38
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, she's like, so can I get your map?
44:40
SPEAKER_03: Because I was bragging to everyone about my map, and she's like, Can I get it?
44:43
SPEAKER_03: Because I'm gonna be there and I might find something.
44:45
SPEAKER_01: Did she actually like was she using it as like a map of the park?
44:49
SPEAKER_01: No.
44:50
SPEAKER_01: Or like a map of I'm gonna find treasure maps.
44:52
SPEAKER_03: Showed like the Key West and like the Bahamas and like the Caribbean stuff.
44:57
SPEAKER_01: Okay, so kind of really.
44:59
SPEAKER_03: So maybe she wasn't going to Florida, maybe she was going to like one of those places.
45:02
SPEAKER_03: But it was like a fake treasure map of like X marks the spot with like cute.
45:07
SPEAKER_03: And I was and like I always thought I was just smarter than everyone when I was I was like kind of a jerk of it because I was like, have fun, here you go.
45:14
SPEAKER_03: You know what?
45:15
SPEAKER_03: I really think that this is that's cute.
45:18
SPEAKER_03: I just had this like weird flash.
45:20
SPEAKER_01: Uh it's funny.
45:20
SPEAKER_01: Megan and I should have known each other when we were kids because I feel like we'd very similar brains, but I actually have a similar story of when I was a kid, I was obsessed with like again finding treasure, but I thought for sure, because I am from Colorado originally, and I thought for sure there was like gold in my backyard.
45:36
SPEAKER_01: Like I was like, this is where they struggle gold.
45:38
SPEAKER_01: It's happening again.
45:40
SPEAKER_01: And but what I would do, like, I was like, I don't know, I'm a Slytherin, right?
45:43
SPEAKER_01: So I wanted to like have my friends be the ones digging while I just like shouted orders at people.
45:49
SPEAKER_01: Done.
45:49
SPEAKER_03: Yes, the Hufflepuff, I would have been the one digging.
45:51
SPEAKER_01: Okay, I'm digging for you.
45:53
SPEAKER_01: For you, I'm digging.
45:55
SPEAKER_01: But what I would do was like I would like convince them by like I would literally show them like parts of like Snow White and the Seven Doors where they were in the mines.
46:02
SPEAKER_01: I was like, see, you just need to go underground and you'll find jewels and things.
46:06
SPEAKER_01: So they were like, so I would convince my like girlfriends like to go out my backyard and dig for me.
46:12
SPEAKER_01: Your mom loved that.
46:13
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I'm sure my mom's like, great, cool.
46:16
SPEAKER_01: Kids digging out my backyard again.
46:19
SPEAKER_01: But yeah, and we had like a side of the house that was kind of unfinished, like there wasn't quite lawn there.
46:23
SPEAKER_01: It was more like you know, just dirt.
46:24
SPEAKER_01: So I that's where I would have them dig.
46:26
SPEAKER_01: And the one time I was like, I felt that my crew was losing motivation and they were losing faith in me.
46:32
SPEAKER_01: So I like I buried.
46:34
SPEAKER_01: You were Captain Kid! Did you hang it on my I buried like like pirate gold?
46:40
SPEAKER_01: Like mutiness, but yeah, like you know, like um pirate gold, like like fake gold.
46:44
SPEAKER_01: I buried it.
46:44
SPEAKER_01: There's so many gold.
46:45
SPEAKER_01: And I was like, you should look over here.
46:47
SPEAKER_01: And they like found the fake gold, and I was like, got them.
46:51
SPEAKER_01: They're gonna keep digging for me.
46:53
unknown: I'm dying right now.
46:54
SPEAKER_03: Yeah, you're such a jerk.
46:56
SPEAKER_03: I was, but you know, we almost we could have found we weren't the kids who didn't like other kids though.
47:02
SPEAKER_01: We thought we were better than we did, I because we we as adults don't particularly love children, and I think when we were kids, we also didn't love children.
47:11
unknown: Hasn't changed much.
47:12
SPEAKER_01: Hasn't changed.
47:13
SPEAKER_01: We were like, oh, these stupid kids.
47:14
SPEAKER_01: I was seven being like these stupid kids.
47:16
SPEAKER_01: They're gonna dig up my backyard and find me treasure.
47:19
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
47:20
SPEAKER_01: Um, excuse me.
47:22
SPEAKER_01: Anyway, um, so that's the story of William Kidd, uh, and a little bit of background on kind of again the different types of pirates, uh, him being one of our again most exemplary privateers.
47:33
SPEAKER_01: Um, and so we wanted to end with just one more segment.
47:36
SPEAKER_01: Um, last time we did History to Hollywood.
47:39
SPEAKER_01: This time.
47:40
SPEAKER_03: Which, by the way, sorry, not to cut you off.
47:42
SPEAKER_03: I'm really disappointed in my answer, and I don't know why it went that way.
47:46
SPEAKER_03: I've been thinking too so many other things.
47:48
SPEAKER_01: I know that's better.
47:49
SPEAKER_01: I told you, and even when It was the only thing I could think of at the time.
47:53
SPEAKER_01: It wasn't.
47:53
SPEAKER_01: Even when you were answering the question, I saw it in your eyes.
47:56
SPEAKER_01: Like, I saw this flicker of like, I don't know what I'm gonna say.
48:00
SPEAKER_01: I just wanted to.
48:01
SPEAKER_03: Because I said it was my favorite witch movie.
48:04
SPEAKER_01: I wanted to I don't even like that movie.
48:05
SPEAKER_01: I watched it again.
48:06
SPEAKER_01: I was like, this is really boring.
48:08
SPEAKER_01: That's why I told you to go with your heart.
48:09
SPEAKER_01: You always gotta go with your gut.
48:10
SPEAKER_01: Well, what then?
48:11
SPEAKER_01: Oh, I thought of another one.
48:12
SPEAKER_01: No, no, we're not.
48:13
SPEAKER_01: Alright, go with our heart.
48:15
SPEAKER_01: It's part of history, you gotta just stick with it, stick to your guns.
48:18
SPEAKER_01: But I knew I knew it from the beginning.
48:19
SPEAKER_01: I told you in the beginning of the episode, and I knew it at the end, and I saw the flicker in your eye.
48:23
SPEAKER_01: I'm gonna go back and she's not she's not into this.
48:26
SPEAKER_01: She just wants to say something interesting.
48:28
SPEAKER_01: Anyway, um, okay, so um our segment today, and it's okay, we have to like go into the name of this, but it's called quid or quo.
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SPEAKER_01: So you know the Latin term like quid pro quo means this for that.
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SPEAKER_01: Well, our meaning, our quid or quo means or q or q.
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SPEAKER_01: Um uh quid or quo, it means this or that.
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SPEAKER_01: So it's kind of like a would you rather or like this or that type of uh situation of like would you rather do this versus this?
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SPEAKER_01: So our quid or quo of our uh episode three is going to be, and this is related to William Kidd's execution, would you rather be hanged to death or die of exposure?
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SPEAKER_01: And I had to explain this to Megan.
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SPEAKER_01: She's like, What do you mean, exposure?
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SPEAKER_01: What did you say?
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SPEAKER_01: The first thing you said.
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SPEAKER_01: Fire?
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SPEAKER_01: Like exposure to fire.
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SPEAKER_01: The freezer?
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SPEAKER_01: No, like exposure is a thing.
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SPEAKER_01: So that just means like you're you're you're dying because you're you don't have shelter, you don't have water, you don't have food, you're out in the elements, like you die because you're not properly nourished as a human.
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SPEAKER_01: You don't have your like basic necessities to live.
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SPEAKER_01: So I'm more referring to like, would you die of exposure in one of the gibbets?
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SPEAKER_01: So like someone sticks you in a givet and that's how you die.
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SPEAKER_03: Because you're not picturing hocus pocus when they put them in those little cages.
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SPEAKER_03: Yeah, the cool guys, ice and whatever his name is Bean or something.
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SPEAKER_03: Ernie.
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SPEAKER_03: Ernie.
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SPEAKER_01: No, Ernie is ice, Ernie is ice, ice is a big thing.
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SPEAKER_03: But they put him in those cages and they just let them stay there.
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SPEAKER_03: So something like that versus being hanged.
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SPEAKER_03: Exactly.
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SPEAKER_03: That's tough.
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SPEAKER_03: Well, okay.
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SPEAKER_03: This is really dark, by the way, but you should know that by watching or by listening to a show called Beheaded.
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SPEAKER_03: Duh.
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SPEAKER_03: We're gonna get a little dark.
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SPEAKER_01: So I personally, because like I just, I don't know, I feel like I'd have a lot of obviously ner nervousness going up to like the gallows and knowing that my neck was either gonna snap or I was gonna be strangled to death and everyone just sees me like struggle for life and my tongue fall out of my mouth.
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SPEAKER_01: Like, I just don't know if I want that gruesome of a scene.
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SPEAKER_01: I think put a bag over your head, like a- Not all the time.
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SPEAKER_01: Maybe in more civilized cultures, but not all the time.
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SPEAKER_01: I think I think for me, like, I think I'd be okay with exposure.
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SPEAKER_01: Because A, like, say they throw me in this gibbet, they put me out over the sea, I'm like kind of hanging out, like I'm kinda hanging out, literally hanging out.
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SPEAKER_01: I'm hanging out, looking at the birds, looking at the sea.
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SPEAKER_01: People kind of come past me and like, I make it something like vacation.
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SPEAKER_01: Yeah, honestly, that's like, oh, I could just get away from the world and be in one of the gibbets for a while, man, I'd thoroughly enjoy myself.
50:57
SPEAKER_01: But you know, this like there's maybe a possibility that in the middle of the night someone will like free you.
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SPEAKER_01: So there's still a hope of like you're not gonna die.
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SPEAKER_01: Like, someone might come along and you run away to the Americas and you find gold somewhere in the backyard in Colorado.
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SPEAKER_03: I am so much on the other side of the room.
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SPEAKER_01: I I but I'm just saying, there's hope when you're in there, and when you die, you probably just pass out of like starvation or something, and you die kind of a peaceful- I don't want to say peaceful death, you're starving.
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SPEAKER_01: But it seems like a better way to go than just like and next next snapped on this rope that potentially snap and have you do it again.
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SPEAKER_01: Anyway.
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SPEAKER_03: I am on the complete opposite side.
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SPEAKER_03: I will be hanged because I kind of am a attention whore, so I kind of like being the center of attention.
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SPEAKER_03: She wants people to see her strangled.
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SPEAKER_03: It's supposed to be quick if it works correctly.
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SPEAKER_01: Mm-hmm.
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SPEAKER_01: Or you're hoping it works correctly.
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SPEAKER_01: And then you have to do it again.
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SPEAKER_03: Actually, it would be like Johnny Depp, and someone would put the arrow underneath.
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SPEAKER_03: Oh no, no, no, non-arrow, the the sword, and I would faw on it and be like, woo, and then I it'd be like and then I would ride off.
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SPEAKER_01: I think I think me being pride-free of the gibbet in the middle of the night is more likely than someone strategically putting a like a knife in between your like, you know, where you're supposed to stay.
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SPEAKER_03: Sure.
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SPEAKER_01: Yeah, okay, maybe.
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SPEAKER_01: Um, yeah, sure.
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SPEAKER_01: I don't know.
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SPEAKER_01: Either way, it's it's a gruesome death.
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SPEAKER_03: I mean both ways are pretty horrible.
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SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I guess if you're you know in the gibbet and still alive, there's a potential that you can be eaten to death by like birds.
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SPEAKER_01: Alfred Hitchcock.
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SPEAKER_03: Oh, and they get their eyes plucked up in the city.
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SPEAKER_01: Yeah, that might be scary.
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SPEAKER_01: So maybe.
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SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_01: One of those things.
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SPEAKER_01: You can let us know your thoughts on which way you'd rather go.
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SPEAKER_03: Finishing on that note, leak.
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SPEAKER_03: Some great thoughts to let you leave with.
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SPEAKER_03: Think about.
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SPEAKER_01: Alright, well, thank you for listening.
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SPEAKER_01: Thank you.
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SPEAKER_01: And uh Happy Beheading.
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SPEAKER_03: Happy Beheading.
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SPEAKER_03: We never got to that.
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SPEAKER_01: No, we no, the last sign off was uh, and these are our final words, but I hate that.
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SPEAKER_01: I'm not gonna do that.
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SPEAKER_03: I feel like our new sign off is and we'll work on it.
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