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IFH 819: How Quentin Tarantino Changed Independent Film: A Conversation with Dale Sherman · Indie Film Hustle® - A Filmmaking Podcast

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  Speaker 3: All right, everyone, thanks here for joining me. Joining me
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  Speaker 3: today is Dale Sherman.
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  Speaker 4: Dale is an all who has written several books about
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  Speaker 4: rock music, including several books on Kiss and Alex Cooper.
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  Speaker 4: His latest book is The Quentin Tarantino SAQ, which is
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  Speaker 4: out right now.
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  Speaker 3: Dale, how are you doing today?
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  Speaker 5: I'm doing prettyware of Thanks for asking. A book just
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  Speaker 5: came out, so I'm very excited right now. I'm anxious
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  Speaker 5: to see how it does.
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  Speaker 4: So, you know, Dale, could you give us a little
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  Speaker 4: bit about your background and how you got started in publishing.
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  Speaker 5: Sure, sure, I've been writing since I was in coverage
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  Speaker 5: where I started working on our kiss panting with a
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  Speaker 5: few Earth the people, and it got to the point
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  Speaker 5: where Dick with fucking the very herbly eighty and there
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  Speaker 5: was the point where the band with suffering from not
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  Speaker 5: having about exposure at the time. They're just taking the
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  Speaker 5: makeup or just about you at that point, and nobody
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  Speaker 5: was really paying a lot of attention to them. So
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  Speaker 5: the fans which are band Priss Magazine reguard how look
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  Speaker 5: websites are today am acent exceptore we're doing it mainly
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  Speaker 5: for about fifty people and puting off at the xerox
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  Speaker 5: somewhere back of Kinkos. Anyway, we were doing that and
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  Speaker 5: I started getting a lot of rather from people natural
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  Speaker 5: born cures. As a matter of fact, With is a
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  Speaker 5: movie that he had told people a spands to a boy,
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  Speaker 5: and he doesn't particularly write that film, but I felt
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  Speaker 5: it was worthy of a history in his career, of
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  Speaker 5: his career to talk about that and ended up being
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  Speaker 5: one of the wronger chapter than the book doing with
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  Speaker 5: or do weird, weird kind of thing that went on
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  Speaker 5: behind the scenes.
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  Speaker 4: So, you know, before we get into, you know, discussing
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  Speaker 4: the book, you know, I just want to ask, you know,
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  Speaker 4: is there any particular reason why you chose to have
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  Speaker 4: Tarantino as a subject for your book.
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  Speaker 5: Well, as I stated riddle earlier, we're wanting to get
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  Speaker 5: more into doing books about movies and getting a little
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  Speaker 5: way from the music stuff. And so I was trying
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  Speaker 5: to think of someone that everyone knew, but everyone didn't
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  Speaker 5: really know everything about. And a lot of people know
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  Speaker 5: Quentin Tarantino movie at A lot of people are in
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  Speaker 5: a big kind of sense like, oh, Quentin Tarantino, ooh,
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  Speaker 5: there's a lot of people like that. But in his cape,
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  Speaker 5: people know of its films and they may even know
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  Speaker 5: like older with a problem with one of the movies
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  Speaker 5: or something, but they don't really know the background. They
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  Speaker 5: don't really know what history. And I think it's a
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  Speaker 5: very interesting study of a guy who actually came from
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  Speaker 5: relatively a small background. I mean this with a guy
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  Speaker 5: who with the high school dropout, you with a video
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  Speaker 5: door cork, and yet he had the vision to actually
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  Speaker 5: get to the point where he was making deep movie
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  Speaker 5: where now he baked iconic a rot of film that
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  Speaker 5: come out an hour a day that are very much
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  Speaker 5: in his style. So he had that a patident a
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  Speaker 5: foot and type of director. And I find that fascinating
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  Speaker 5: and we don't really hear a horror about that for
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  Speaker 5: that where I thought it would be a good study
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  Speaker 5: board book.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, that's a very good point.
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  Speaker 4: You know, he did, you know, work as a VIDI
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  Speaker 4: history Clark, and he did managed to you know, you know,
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  Speaker 4: write a couple of screenplays there, which is as you
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  Speaker 4: you said earlier. One of them was, you know, natural
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  Speaker 4: Born Killers. I think this is around time to wrote
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  Speaker 4: true True Romance, and finally he wrote.
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  Speaker 3: Reservoir Dogs, which he ended up directing.
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  Speaker 4: So I mean, you know, just to get into the book,
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  Speaker 4: you know, could you take us through, like you know.
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  Speaker 3: Uh, just about each chapter.
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  Speaker 4: You know, uh uh and just tell us again because
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  Speaker 4: you was little about it about each one.
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  Speaker 5: Oh sure. I had a copy of Very Fortunate Raditar
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  Speaker 5: I can kind of go through that up here and
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  Speaker 5: the first populo chapters here our name. We're trying to
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  Speaker 5: give readers the good background on hit history before he
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  Speaker 5: started doing movie and the relevant point in his early
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  Speaker 5: life that read to him actually becoming a director or
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  Speaker 5: becoming the person who were which is the first chapter
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  Speaker 5: is the path of the right chick Man would deal
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  Speaker 5: with where we were born. And I do have a
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  Speaker 5: bit of a on segment in that chapter doing with
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  Speaker 5: the idea that people seem to think that because he
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  Speaker 5: was born in Tennessee, he's some kind of hick, or
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  Speaker 5: because he grew up in Los Angeith, he's some kind
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  Speaker 5: of wacko uh sewith guy. And instead I see a
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  Speaker 5: of the elements with somebody who were born of the subody,
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  Speaker 5: like a lot of people my age actuate who may
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  Speaker 5: be born in sixty even kind of grew up from there.
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  Speaker 5: And a lot of the movie kind of represent the
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  Speaker 5: thinking of movie we saw back in the seventy that
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  Speaker 5: kind of freewilling anything can go feeling of such film.
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  Speaker 5: And then the chapter tenpt to go on to some
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  Speaker 5: of the jobs he had, like you used to work
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  Speaker 5: at a point theater when you would eat before eighteen actually,
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  Speaker 5: which is kind of a little element. Ended up going
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  Speaker 5: to Joe for a few days for traffic frying, and
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  Speaker 5: of course the stuff about her first real job in
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  Speaker 5: video production being working for doctor v Gren's fitness video
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  Speaker 5: where basically its sole job. We're picking up dark vc
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  Speaker 5: oh at the start, the kind of thing you got
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  Speaker 5: to do when you get started, and then from there,
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  Speaker 5: really the next chapter built with the subject that some
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  Speaker 5: people may know about another first attempt to try to
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  Speaker 5: make a movie, which was my best friend's birthday. I
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  Speaker 5: would want to start saying my best friend's wedding and
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  Speaker 5: step for not birthday. And in looking at it, it's
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  Speaker 5: fascinating to look at it because I guess maybe I
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  Speaker 5: see a moment of bank I teen friend do back
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  Speaker 5: at that time in the eighty two where we'll I
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  Speaker 5: get a camera, I got a script with do a show.
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  Speaker 5: Is it's going to work? Great? And he started putting
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  Speaker 5: this movie together and the script, which I actually enjoy.
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  Speaker 5: I read the script. The script it is actually funny stuff,
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  Speaker 5: and I think it's a very sweet script. It's a
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  Speaker 5: very sweet idea for a movie. And you look at
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  Speaker 5: that script and you think this real will work, This
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  Speaker 5: could actually be something, and then you see it equipped
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  Speaker 5: which are are on YouTube and other praises of what
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  Speaker 5: he actually filmed. And he agreed with that. He said
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  Speaker 5: a few times in different interviews over the years that
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  Speaker 5: video for that film footage he actually did. It's not
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  Speaker 5: anything like the script and it just doesn't work anything
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  Speaker 5: like what you envisioned in your head about her. And
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  Speaker 5: I thought that was fascinating. So I'd find a good
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  Speaker 5: chapter in the book talking about how that I tried
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  Speaker 5: to put the movie together with the script, worth about
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  Speaker 5: where he tried to do that and Howard just kind
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  Speaker 5: of fell apart. And from there it's essentially going through
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  Speaker 5: talking about being in Hollywood and trying to get started.
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  Speaker 5: The first few chapters really deal with the same kind
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  Speaker 5: of thing most people who go into Hollywood end up
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  Speaker 5: having to do, which I'm here, I need somebody to
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  Speaker 5: see that I can do this work, and struggling to
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  Speaker 5: get somebody to see that work. And that's pretty much
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  Speaker 5: the first four or five chapters of the book. You're
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  Speaker 5: just doing with.
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  Speaker 5: He just write, get everybody else, and how it we're
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  Speaker 5: struggling to get somebody to see hit writing and struggling
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  Speaker 5: to get somebody to pick it up. And then the
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  Speaker 5: ball started rolling with the seale of what became true
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  Speaker 5: romance and which could actually be part of a different
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  Speaker 5: script which also discussed in the book called The Open Road.
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  Speaker 5: That was also where Tarantino got his script for Natural
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  Speaker 5: Born Chibwords the original script for that. So the one
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  Speaker 5: script he did call The Open Road, which a lot
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  Speaker 5: of people don't really know about or know anything about,
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  Speaker 5: and it's very hard to find details on with actually
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  Speaker 5: the genesis of two scripts. He wrote one for True Romance,
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  Speaker 5: which was done by one director and a court natural
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  Speaker 5: born crew work would work done by R. Roberstown. And
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  Speaker 5: then because he was getting paid for those, he was
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  Speaker 5: able to do Reservoir Dogs and Reach forod Dog with
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  Speaker 5: a situation where he was going to end up having
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  Speaker 5: to do this movie there was car maybe fifty thousand
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  Speaker 5: dollars and hoping he could get away with it, do
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  Speaker 5: it in black and white with himself if one of
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  Speaker 5: the character, than if brand that the other character. Basically
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  Speaker 5: the whole thing he had gone through with My bet
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  Speaker 5: friend Birthday and it turned it just snowboard into the
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  Speaker 5: thing where he had Carb, Kike and all these other
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  Speaker 5: well known actors appearing in hit film that heat directing,
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  Speaker 5: and he really a first time director, had a serious
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  Speaker 5: thin because already had with the experience of that previous
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  Speaker 5: my best friend Birthday situation and how that ended up
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  Speaker 5: becoming this phenomenon, and then going into the other film,
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  Speaker 5: which I think most people know from there, and then
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  Speaker 5: you get into the pulp fiction situation he began to
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  Speaker 5: Jackie Brown, which is the film that he did that
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  Speaker 5: was much different from normal, and then Kill Bill You
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  Speaker 5: Got the and just go on from that. And so
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  Speaker 5: each chapter deal with the making, theve and creation of
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  Speaker 5: each of the movie, along with the two directed by
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  Speaker 5: other people, as well as different chapters that deal with
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  Speaker 5: the context of what kind of movie angle do we
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  Speaker 5: see a lot of from him in movie like the
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  Speaker 5: whole thing with the beat? We see a lot of
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  Speaker 5: book with bet in most of it movies, And so
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  Speaker 5: we talk about that or I talk about that, and like,
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  Speaker 5: what are some of the movie that he saw the
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  Speaker 5: impressed images upon him that he would take into its
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  Speaker 5: own movie, what kind of movie that he had done?
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  Speaker 5: They have read two other films in his style. There's
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  Speaker 5: also material about some of the yips. You can buy
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  Speaker 5: some of the merchandise that had come out over the
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  Speaker 5: years in relation to hit movie, some weird stuff like
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  Speaker 5: trading cards or the Bad and world wrote from fiction
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  Speaker 5: actually being something you can buy and chapter doing with
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  Speaker 5: the TV appearance He's done a few of those. I
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  Speaker 5: also discussed it run on Broadway and went until Dark,
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  Speaker 5: which rand for a few weeks, and how the perception
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  Speaker 5: of that being a bad thing for him actually wasn't
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  Speaker 5: quite what it was in reality. People remember it that way,
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  Speaker 5: but he actually did. They get some good review during
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  Speaker 5: that time, and just all that kind of stuff, the
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  Speaker 5: dealing with concept about how his music, how he used
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  Speaker 5: music in his film he got I meant, I think
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  Speaker 5: one of my favorite chapters where it's actually writing about praise,
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  Speaker 5: you can go to see where he filmed, which is
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  Speaker 5: one of the radio chapters in the book. So if
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  Speaker 5: you wanted to know where you film certain things, and
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  Speaker 5: there are some iconic type of site that you can
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  Speaker 5: still see where you film a lot of them are
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  Speaker 5: around around the thing he had like the jack rabbit swim.
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  Speaker 5: Praise in pulp fiction actually doesn't exist. There's nothing like it.
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  Speaker 5: There is a building that you can't even get to
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  Speaker 5: where they filmed that. So you can't even go down
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  Speaker 5: and say here where they shot jack rabbits from. You
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  Speaker 5: can kind of say, well, here the area and you
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  Speaker 5: can kind of stand outside it, but you probably can't
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  Speaker 5: even see the building from there. But there's the other
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  Speaker 5: preak where you can go and say, hey, you know,
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  Speaker 5: this is where he shot the this where he shot that,
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  Speaker 5: and you could even prant a card trip and just
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  Speaker 5: kind of go through all these different places to see
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  Speaker 5: these areas and things. And we're talking a little bit
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  Speaker 5: about his contribution to films and things and how he
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  Speaker 5: got the new Beverly Cinema in Los Angeles kept that
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  Speaker 5: running and going Harry helped out the Aramo draft House
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  Speaker 5: with film festivals, that kind of thing. So that's where
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  Speaker 5: the book is about. It's essentially to cover all the
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  Speaker 5: different hourmnth of the man career that people tend to
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  Speaker 5: gross over just so they can say, oh, I saw
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  Speaker 5: pulp fiction or I saw Django Unchain, Oh yeah, yeah. Yeah.
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  Speaker 5: It was a short run type situation. He was on
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  Speaker 5: Broadway for what's supposed to be just a few weeks
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  Speaker 5: and when they did tryout with the typical for Broadway show,
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  Speaker 5: when they tried it out in day Boughton, I think
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  Speaker 5: Bartonet we were at work. I may be misremembering, uh,
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  Speaker 5: but it's up right in the book. Anyway, when they
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  Speaker 5: did try out, it went over so well that it
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  Speaker 5: actually they extended the length of time they were going
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  Speaker 5: to be on Broadway in New York. And so they
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  Speaker 5: got to Broadway, and here's this guy who's a director
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  Speaker 5: that there are people tend to pitch pars about being
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  Speaker 5: an actor, even though that's how he started. He did
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  Speaker 5: try he really did want to be an actor for
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  Speaker 5: instead of a writer, instead of a director. Then when
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  Speaker 5: he had this chance to be on Broadway and pray
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  Speaker 5: the role of the villain and wait until dark, which
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  Speaker 5: is one that if you see the barn Allen Ark
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  Speaker 5: and pray the same part in the film, and so
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  Speaker 5: he's on broadwayen does it. Then a lot of people
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  Speaker 5: just got on his case because here Quentin Tarantino are
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  Speaker 5: taking a role that should have a theory of actor
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  Speaker 5: court onquore doing it. And so if anybody had a
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  Speaker 5: problem with it, they tend to dump on Tarantino. Right
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  Speaker 5: in looking at the review, a lot of people tend
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  Speaker 5: to say, well, you know, he dubbed the job, or
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  Speaker 5: he's not that bad, that he done pretty good job,
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  Speaker 5: or the role, and you tually where they got to
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  Speaker 5: critique the show, if they're being honest about it, that
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  Speaker 5: the Prey is kind of old fashioned and kind of
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  Speaker 5: cruchete now and it doesn't really work anymore. And so
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  Speaker 5: people tended the reviewer tended to say, well, the praise
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  Speaker 5: not really like modern to watch anymore, and so it's
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  Speaker 5: just so sir, and people tripped down and said, oh, well, Tarantino,
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  Speaker 5: we're terrible in this, and right, well, the reviews weren't
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  Speaker 5: quite like that. Some of them were, but not all
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  Speaker 5: of them.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, it's funny you mentioned that, because you know,
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  Speaker 4: when I read reviews Django and Chain, that's one of
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  Speaker 4: the things they harped on as well, was they said, oh,
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  Speaker 4: you know Terrence you know, was cast in this, you
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  Speaker 4: know by him obviously, and then you know they would
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  Speaker 4: always say, you know, it kind of takes you out
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  Speaker 4: of the movie, and they kind of sort of harped
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  Speaker 4: on that for the review.
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  Speaker 3: Is it actually talking about the movie.
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  Speaker 5: Or yeah, when it came to you, right, Jangle and
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  Speaker 5: Chain and actually with Summer with Oar film and you're
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  Speaker 5: dealing with the language issue. And I think that's a
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  Speaker 5: big part of what people tend to talk about nowadays,
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  Speaker 5: want to come to tarantine or beside the virun and
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  Speaker 5: with the viyrant thing, the sidetrack Berth stuck with the
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  Speaker 5: yrn thing where you talked about gutting something and you
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  Speaker 5: just get tired answering questions about the byron out the back.
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  Speaker 5: And it's the same thing, I think with the language
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  Speaker 5: situation with Jengo and chain her Corep. We're talking about
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  Speaker 5: situation where youth the inward and hit the scripts. And
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  Speaker 5: when you read some of the the interview with those
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  Speaker 5: who actually were working in the film, that's where they're right,
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  Speaker 5: Sam Jackson and elder Ki Kim, who the world, this
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  Speaker 5: is how people talk, This is what people said, and
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  Speaker 5: so the attitude were this type of material speaks to
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  Speaker 5: how the people would have actually talked. When you get
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  Speaker 5: to something like the other big one work throw back
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  Speaker 5: to actually Jackie Brown with Sam Jackson again we had
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  Speaker 5: one particular rhind of dialogue and then you and the
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  Speaker 5: Quick both cluess with one particular rind of dialog where
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  Speaker 5: he sent the in word about five time and they
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  Speaker 5: were in one sentence. And that got the hackles that
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  Speaker 5: certain people because here the white guy who's writing the
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  Speaker 5: script that held this word in it that's very offensive
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  Speaker 5: to another raf the court.
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  Speaker 2: We'll be right back after a word from our spon
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  Speaker 2: answer and now back to the show.
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  Speaker 5: And so they're that question about the word. But I
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  Speaker 5: think the ament of the element that comes across by
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  Speaker 5: the people who had actually worked on the farm, the
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  Speaker 5: people who are actually dealing with it, is staying, well,
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  Speaker 5: this is how we feel the character would talk, but
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  Speaker 5: I don't think it's going to be something he's ever
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  Speaker 5: going to really be able to quite put away. And
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  Speaker 5: as I stay in the book, in one chapter, I
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  Speaker 5: actually dare with crash it where you've had argument with
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  Speaker 5: other people, and one of the argument the courts of
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  Speaker 5: with Bigley, who had used the word himself. But also
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  Speaker 5: you've in a way that he's probably or this is
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  Speaker 5: their offensive word and it shouldn't be you. And here
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  Speaker 5: this guy who just act like it no big deal.
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  Speaker 5: And so there's been about crashing between the two big directors,
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  Speaker 5: Bike Lee and Quentin Tarantino over that. But it's a
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  Speaker 5: tough subject to talk about because it's a topic that
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  Speaker 5: you start discussing it, it just rides people into getting
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  Speaker 5: very defensive about it. I'm very upset over it. So
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  Speaker 5: it's hard to deal with, and I don't think he's
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  Speaker 5: ever going to be able to quite escape from that.
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  Speaker 5: On the other hand, I think he of the attitude
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  Speaker 5: it quite well. If everybody's going to ride me anyway,
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  Speaker 5: my americ would just you and not worry about it.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, that's a very good point you brought up,
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  Speaker 4: and you know it is. You know, I remember some
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  Speaker 4: of the you know, the the interviews you've steene to
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  Speaker 4: me about when Jago came out.
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  Speaker 3: You know, he got interviewed about the violence, you know, Spike.
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  Speaker 4: Then you give him criticized interviews in the N word,
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  Speaker 4: you know, and you're and you're right. I don't think
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  Speaker 4: he ever will, you know, you know, escape And even
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  Speaker 4: with this upcoming movie, The Hateful Eighth. I I mean
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  Speaker 4: I I I've heard from people who've you know, either
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  Speaker 4: read the script or what or what have you, that
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  Speaker 4: you know there is some there is similar tones and
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  Speaker 4: things like that already in the in The Hateful Eight.
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  Speaker 5: Mm hmmm.
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  Speaker 4: So uh, Deil, I wanted to ask you, you know,
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  Speaker 4: how did you research this book.
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  Speaker 5: Well with something like that that could back with all
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  Speaker 5: my book bat We enjoyed the aspect of really digging
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  Speaker 5: into Arthur. Interviews of the articles over the years would
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  Speaker 5: take the bit of work, but I find that I
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  Speaker 5: actually tend to give me a better round rounder review
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  Speaker 5: or the history of somebody. And what I mean by
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  Speaker 5: that is that it's easy to interview somebody remembering from
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  Speaker 5: twenty years ago a thing that happened, and they get
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  Speaker 5: their story and they need to print it. But if
• 23:14
  Speaker 5: you go back to when that actually occur twenty years ago,
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  Speaker 5: you know, I get other people interpretations of that incident,
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  Speaker 5: but you also get perhaps their own different interpretation of
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  Speaker 5: that incident. So you can end up with a situation
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  Speaker 5: where somebody is talking about something that just happened and
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  Speaker 5: say something that they hated about it, and then you
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  Speaker 5: get to ten years later and to talk about something
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  Speaker 5: amusing about it. And then you get to something twenty
• 23:44
  Speaker 5: years later and they're talking about something world out of
• 23:47
  Speaker 5: actually a good thing because this, and doesn't this happen
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  Speaker 5: because of it? So I think research on the revel
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  Speaker 5: of just digging into what's out there, digging into interview,
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  Speaker 5: digging into article, of digging into thing quite looking for
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  Speaker 5: bits and piece if even in other people biography and
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  Speaker 5: thing quite really helped shape a rounder view of somebody.
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  Speaker 5: Then if you just if you just I say, interview somebody,
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  Speaker 5: and that that basically all comes down to your just
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  Speaker 5: a road of research. I'm doing a new book now
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  Speaker 5: on a old sitcom from the seventiethh, Mash, and in
• 24:30
  Speaker 5: that case are brought up the research digging through articles
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  Speaker 5: of the seventy, digging through books by the people who
• 24:39
  Speaker 5: are particular pants, digging through episode, digging through scripts thing
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  Speaker 5: quite the an's old part of the job.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, I once for the journalism, you know,
• 24:54
  Speaker 3: is a lot of like that.
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  Speaker 4: We just have to dig through the old articles and
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  Speaker 4: you know sort of you know, dig through a lot
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  Speaker 4: and ask a lot of questions and as good you're
• 25:01
  Speaker 4: able to actually, you know, interview some people and talk
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  Speaker 4: to them because you know, it's some of the people
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  Speaker 4: I know, uh, you know, like Roger Ravery, I don't
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  Speaker 4: know what he's up to, you know, all those guys
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  Speaker 4: who used to work with Tarantino at the video store,
• 25:17
  Speaker 4: and so, uh, you know, for your next book and
• 25:20
  Speaker 4: for your next projects.
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  Speaker 3: You know, what do you know when the book about
• 25:24
  Speaker 3: Mash will be out.
• 25:25
  Speaker 5: M and that that's going to be Mash And then
• 25:29
  Speaker 5: I'm already fined for a book up to that doing
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  Speaker 5: with another iconic director that when we're done a hand
• 25:35
  Speaker 5: for a movie for Parentina. Actually I haven't signed quite
• 25:39
  Speaker 5: signed that deal yet, so that's all I can basically
• 25:42
  Speaker 5: say there. But Mash, it'd be dealing with the books
• 25:48
  Speaker 5: with the movie, with the series, there are people don't
• 25:51
  Speaker 5: realize the match with something that actually had viteen book
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  Speaker 5: novel written over the years, so people just don't even
• 26:01
  Speaker 5: know about that aspect anymore. And then of course you
• 26:04
  Speaker 5: had the movie that were fairly famouth and you had
• 26:07
  Speaker 5: the series that were definitely famous, and how the that
• 26:11
  Speaker 5: meant all kind of chained like Math chained the rat
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  Speaker 5: things and terrovision and the seventies, The movie chained the
• 26:21
  Speaker 5: mac Back movies in the seventies at well, even though
• 26:25
  Speaker 5: it came out in sixty nine, sixty nine seventy. I
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  Speaker 5: mean it argued arguably considered it the perfet movie with
• 26:36
  Speaker 5: their forward and as a matter of fact, and that
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  Speaker 5: the do be kind of thing to be known for
• 26:43
  Speaker 5: something unique that became something that standard and movie nowadays,
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  Speaker 5: and so actee, that's why I ended up wanting to
• 26:52
  Speaker 5: write that book because I here is another famous show
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  Speaker 5: another another fem thing that had I momented most people
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  Speaker 5: don't even real right are there? And That's where I'm
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  Speaker 5: going with it.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's very cool.
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  Speaker 4: So you know, Dale, you know, we've been talking about
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  Speaker 4: half an hour now, you know, is there anything we
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  Speaker 4: haven't discussed you know about about you know, the book
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  Speaker 4: that or anything else that you wanted to talk about?
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  Speaker 5: Anything else I want to talk about?
• 27:27
  Speaker 4: Yeah, like any anything that you may have wanted to
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  Speaker 4: talk about that we didn't get a chance.
• 27:31
  Speaker 5: To with the Tarantina book. The book itself, I'm very
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  Speaker 5: happy with it. Took a lot of work to do.
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  Speaker 5: It was kind of a tough crime on writing one,
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  Speaker 5: more than in a couple of my other book. But
• 27:47
  Speaker 5: I think it gets a lot of affect to the
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  Speaker 5: mand career that people aren't you thinking about. I think
• 27:54
  Speaker 5: it gets a good biographical history of him, and three
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  Speaker 5: be so far have been pretty good for it. I
• 28:02
  Speaker 5: think the bands appears will find one or two things
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  Speaker 5: they didn't know about, or some aspects of it that
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  Speaker 5: they enjoy reading. I'm sure that the thro a little
• 28:13
  Speaker 5: bit of humor in there as well, or we try
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  Speaker 5: to throw a little bit of that in there. I
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  Speaker 5: think that I'm very happy with the results. I think
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  Speaker 5: bands will be paid.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah awesome. And you know also Dale, I will link
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  Speaker 3: to that in the show notes.
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  Speaker 4: So anybody out there, you know, if you want to
• 28:32
  Speaker 4: click on the link, I will. It'll take you ato
• 28:34
  Speaker 4: the Amazon page. We can buy Dale's new book, The
• 28:38
  Speaker 4: Quentin Tarrito f a Q Everything excuse me, everything left
• 28:43
  Speaker 4: to know about the original Reservoir Dog Dale.
• 28:46
  Speaker 3: Where we will find you out online.
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  Speaker 5: Well, I do a round of my stuff through Facebook.
• 28:52
  Speaker 5: Better course I do have a brog out there you
• 28:54
  Speaker 5: can get to buy it it Dale Sherman, writer at
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  Speaker 5: large and it broad that I have. We're deal with
• 29:03
  Speaker 5: some of the things they're coming out each week. Try
• 29:06
  Speaker 5: to get people thanks based with my base to rap
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  Speaker 5: my book, but also some new more information. Way to
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  Speaker 5: check it out. You can find out some new things
• 29:14
  Speaker 5: where I got some of the things we're going on
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  Speaker 5: with kiss, what're going on with my wrap book before this,
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  Speaker 5: which with actually a book about end of the world
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  Speaker 5: movie called Armageddon film Ethic Year, and also the new
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  Speaker 5: book as well. So just check that out. And I'm
• 29:31
  Speaker 5: out there doing some interviews and things. In course you
• 29:34
  Speaker 5: just mentioned you can pick up the book through Amazon
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  Speaker 5: and separate out of praising. Quite that and I hope
• 29:39
  Speaker 5: people enjoy it.
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  Speaker 4: Awesome, Dale, thanks so much for coming on and you
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  Speaker 4: know I wish you the best luck with the book.
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  Speaker 3: Take care, buddy.
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  Speaker 2: I want to thank Dave so much for doing such
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