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4: Misunderstood Feminists and Crappy Parkers · Literally, the Worst Podcast

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  SPEAKER_01: Hello, I'm Lauren.
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  SPEAKER_00: And this is Anna.
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  SPEAKER_01: This is literally the worst.
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  SPEAKER_01: And today we're talking about uh the misunderstood aspects of feminism, which is like most of it.
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  SPEAKER_01: So it's gonna be awesome.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yay.
• 0:23
  SPEAKER_01: We have two episodes in a row on women.
• 0:27
  SPEAKER_00: Ish.
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  SPEAKER_00: I don't women.
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  SPEAKER_00: Maybe we like maybe we like women.
• 0:31
  SPEAKER_00: I don't know.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_00: Maybe, perhaps.
• 0:34
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 0:34
  SPEAKER_00: That's a thing.
• 0:36
  SPEAKER_01: It could be a thing.
• 0:37
  SPEAKER_01: Yep.
• 0:37
  SPEAKER_00: It could be.
• 0:39
  SPEAKER_01: Do you have something petty that is literally the worst in your mind?
• 0:44
  SPEAKER_00: Oh man.
• 0:46
  SPEAKER_01: If not, I can go.
• 0:48
  SPEAKER_00: Go first and then I'll come up with something.
• 0:51
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 0:53
  SPEAKER_01: Yes.
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  SPEAKER_01: Um people that cannot park.
• 0:56
  SPEAKER_01: Literally.
• 0:58
  SPEAKER_01: Yes.
• 0:58
  SPEAKER_01: I that drives me up the wall.
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  SPEAKER_01: And in our, especially in my apartment complex, all of the spaces are tight, and except for like one back row of spaces where all the pickup trucks park.
• 1:12
  SPEAKER_01: And people like they park at weird angles or they're on the line.
• 1:17
  SPEAKER_01: And I'm just like, there is not enough room.
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  SPEAKER_01: And I'm not a tiny person.
• 1:21
  SPEAKER_01: So I'm like, my door is just going to gently touch your car as I get out because you put yourself over the line and this is not going to work.
• 1:31
  SPEAKER_01: And and then especially like when it's the people that park across two spots because they're like, I don't want anybody to ding my car.
• 1:38
  SPEAKER_01: I'm like, person, you are driving around other humans.
• 1:42
  SPEAKER_01: Like it's going to happen.
• 1:44
  SPEAKER_01: And so that's we could go on and on there.
• 1:49
  SPEAKER_01: But yes.
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  SPEAKER_01: If you can't park.
• 1:52
  SPEAKER_00: I have an adjacent petty now to that because it reminded me of one of my other least favorite things.
• 1:58
  SPEAKER_00: People who they know you are behind them trying to like park in a parking lot, and they take the time to back into the spot, almost backing into you.
• 2:14
  SPEAKER_01: Yes.
• 2:15
  SPEAKER_01: Uh-huh.
• 2:15
  SPEAKER_00: Which I'm like you know I'm here.
• 2:22
  SPEAKER_00: So like, what are you doing?
• 2:23
  SPEAKER_00: Maybe you don't know I'm here.
• 2:24
  SPEAKER_00: Maybe that's the problem, is that you're just like clueless, but people.
• 2:29
  SPEAKER_01: People.
• 2:29
  SPEAKER_01: Well, that's that's another problem, too, if they're so unaware.
• 2:34
  SPEAKER_01: I'm like, that is not good defensive driving.
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  SPEAKER_01: You need to be aware of the people around you.
• 2:39
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yes.
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  SPEAKER_00: Like, what are you doing?
• 2:41
  SPEAKER_00: What are you doing?
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  SPEAKER_00: Uh the worst.
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  SPEAKER_01: The worst.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_01: Anyway.
• 2:48
  SPEAKER_01: So now that we've eased into that, I'm I'm kind of liking this.
• 2:52
  SPEAKER_01: I'm thinking may need to hold on to this segment.
• 2:56
  SPEAKER_00: Our three listeners will be pleased.
• 2:59
  SPEAKER_01: Yes.
• 2:59
  SPEAKER_01: Let us know if you like the petty the petty start.
• 3:04
  SPEAKER_00: If you do, you can, I mean, the three people who are listening, you can just text us.
• 3:10
  SPEAKER_00: So yeah.
• 3:10
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 3:11
  SPEAKER_01: Yes.
• 3:12
  SPEAKER_01: And we'll let we'll we'll give you credit too.
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  SPEAKER_01: We won't take it as our own unless we're really short on ideas.
• 3:18
  SPEAKER_01: And then maybe we'll steal it.
• 3:21
  SPEAKER_00: We might.
• 3:21
  SPEAKER_00: We might steal it.
• 3:22
  SPEAKER_00: But that's okay.
• 3:23
  SPEAKER_01: There's no guarantee.
• 3:25
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, values.
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  SPEAKER_01: You know.
• 3:32
  SPEAKER_01: Oh man.
• 3:33
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, it does seem to be okay that values go out the window when money is on the line.
• 3:40
  SPEAKER_00: So this podcast will eventually be the thing that makes us billionaires.
• 3:49
  SPEAKER_00: We we can do whatever we want, is what I'm saying.
• 3:53
  SPEAKER_01: We have to practice.
• 3:55
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 3:55
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 3:56
  SPEAKER_01: We have to practice throwing our values out the window early so that we can get to billionaire status.
• 4:02
  SPEAKER_00: Yes.
• 4:03
  SPEAKER_00: Otherwise, the how are we gonna grift?
• 4:06
  SPEAKER_00: I think you gotta grift early and often.
• 4:10
  SPEAKER_00: That's those are the rules.
• 4:13
  SPEAKER_00: I don't know.
• 4:13
  SPEAKER_00: I don't make the rules.
• 4:16
  SPEAKER_01: I just play by them.
• 4:18
  SPEAKER_00: I just play by them because capitalism.
• 4:22
  SPEAKER_01: Yay, capitalism.
• 4:24
  SPEAKER_01: Woo! Well, okay.
• 4:29
  SPEAKER_01: Speaking of values, we have some about women.
• 4:33
  SPEAKER_01: And a lot of other women.
• 4:39
  SPEAKER_00: We're so good at this.
• 4:41
  SPEAKER_00: Oh god.
• 4:43
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, this is I feel like this is why uh podcasts have some sort of intro music to be like, okay, this is really when we're starting.
• 4:49
  SPEAKER_01: Like chit-chat.
• 4:51
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 4:52
  SPEAKER_01: Banter.
• 4:52
  SPEAKER_01: And then it's like, okay, music, so start.
• 4:54
  SPEAKER_01: That's fine.
• 4:55
  SPEAKER_00: Like the if books could kill.
• 4:58
  SPEAKER_00: Sorry, I'm just gonna keep not starting.
• 5:00
  SPEAKER_00: Do it uh the if books could kill episode where they like do five, like trial five intros, then do the music, then do the real intro, then start.
• 5:10
  SPEAKER_00: I'm like, yeah, okay, that could be our styles.
• 5:13
  SPEAKER_00: We could do that.
• 5:15
  SPEAKER_01: That feels more like us than very polished.
• 5:19
  SPEAKER_01: And also the like, I don't want to be forced into a box in how I do this.
• 5:24
  SPEAKER_01: I want to do it the way I want to do it, which may be six different ways at the beginning.
• 5:29
  SPEAKER_00: So yeah, just do it.
• 5:31
  SPEAKER_01: So there we go.
• 5:32
  SPEAKER_01: Yep.
• 5:33
  SPEAKER_01: Problem solved.
• 5:35
  SPEAKER_00: Problem solved.
• 5:36
  SPEAKER_00: Just do it different every time.
• 5:38
  SPEAKER_01: Oh gosh, yeah.
• 5:39
  SPEAKER_01: Jeez.
• 5:41
  SPEAKER_01: Well, uh, I have no transition now.
• 5:44
  SPEAKER_01: Feminism.
• 5:46
  SPEAKER_01: I uh I'm trying to, I was trying to think like beforehand.
• 5:52
  SPEAKER_01: This happened, I said this in a message to a friend the other day.
• 5:55
  SPEAKER_01: Trying to think, but nothing happens.
• 5:56
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 5:57
  SPEAKER_01: The three stages.
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  SPEAKER_01: Um I was trying to think uh for this topic when I would say I became a feminist, and I think it was probably in my late 20s, but I didn't know it at the time.
• 6:17
  SPEAKER_01: And I probably knew it by my like early 30s is what would be true for me.
• 6:26
  SPEAKER_01: I what about what about you?
• 6:30
  SPEAKER_00: I think late 20s, early 30s, like 2930, and then probably was aware 3132 would be my guess.
• 6:41
  SPEAKER_00: Like late 20s, like barely 20, barely in my 20s.
• 6:47
  SPEAKER_00: Yes, because before high school, definitely not.
• 6:55
  SPEAKER_00: Definitely not, and then college, sort of, but also I had a I had a college professor who was a raging feminist, and she got on my nerves so much I was just like, well, I don't want to be that.
• 7:15
  SPEAKER_00: So I was like, can't do that, and then I don't know, just kind of blissfully unaware in my 20s for a while until like oh, my male coworkers are making more than me because they're dudes.
• 7:33
  SPEAKER_01: Yep.
• 7:34
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yep.
• 7:35
  SPEAKER_01: That's a sad mess now.
• 7:38
  SPEAKER_01: Yes.
• 7:40
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, your mug is awesome, and it's the perfect mug for this episode.
• 7:45
  SPEAKER_00: It's my possum.
• 7:46
  SPEAKER_01: If you're if you're listening, yeah, it's a possum, and the possum is raging.
• 7:52
  SPEAKER_00: But also covered in hearts.
• 7:54
  SPEAKER_00: Yes, it's so good.
• 7:56
  SPEAKER_00: We'll take a picture.
• 7:57
  SPEAKER_00: I'll take a picture.
• 7:58
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, we'll put it in the show notes.
• 8:00
  SPEAKER_01: Does it also have a possum on the bottom?
• 8:02
  SPEAKER_01: I think it does.
• 8:04
  SPEAKER_00: Yes, okay, good.
• 8:06
  SPEAKER_00: Yep.
• 8:07
  SPEAKER_00: You sort of can see it.
• 8:08
  SPEAKER_00: Yep.
• 8:09
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_02: Yep.
• 8:10
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 8:11
  unknown: Yeah.
• 8:12
  SPEAKER_01: Love it.
• 8:13
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I uh I think it like it started for me probably late high school because that was it was in the years like right after Title IX was passed, and so there was more funding for um women's sports in colleges.
• 8:31
  SPEAKER_01: And that was one of the things that allowed me to get a partial scholarship for soccer.
• 8:38
  SPEAKER_01: And I was like, yeah, it's not fair that all this funding is there for men's sports, but not for women's sports.
• 8:44
  SPEAKER_01: Uh, but that hadn't really like extended to the rest of my life yet.
• 8:48
  SPEAKER_01: And I think it was when I was in grad school when I started, I started uh seeing like, oh, there's because it was just it was a different crew of people that you're around in grad school, at least where I went, it was much more diverse than the group that I had gone K through 12 with, um in terms of just like country of origin, men, women, like just the full spectrum.
• 9:15
  SPEAKER_01: And I was like, oh wait, there's a lot of hella smart people.
• 9:19
  SPEAKER_01: And then when I started hearing about like the offers that some of the men were getting as they left grad school to go work at companies versus the offers that some of the women were getting, and I was like, wait a minute, this this shouldn't be a thing.
• 9:34
  SPEAKER_01: Like, we've all done the same hard stuff to get to this point.
• 9:40
  SPEAKER_01: We all have degrees that weigh the same.
• 9:44
  SPEAKER_01: Why?
• 9:45
  SPEAKER_01: Why why is this so different when the jobs, especially some of the jobs, are so similar?
• 9:50
  SPEAKER_01: Um, so that's when I was like, this isn't right.
• 9:53
  SPEAKER_01: And then when you would see things being different, especially for the women of color in that div department, uh, that's when I was like, this is also messed up because they're they have it worse than I do, and this is really screwed up.
• 10:08
  SPEAKER_01: So yeah.
• 10:09
  SPEAKER_01: Uh-huh.
• 10:10
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 10:10
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 10:11
  SPEAKER_00: I went to college in Nebraska.
• 10:14
  SPEAKER_00: And uh my school had maybe either you were an athlete and probably playing football.
• 10:29
  SPEAKER_00: Probably.
• 10:31
  SPEAKER_00: To be a person of color.
• 10:33
  SPEAKER_00: Uh and even then I want to say it was less than five percent of my graduating class.
• 10:42
  SPEAKER_00: So like everybody was white, and so we were all like vying for the same jobs.
• 10:48
  SPEAKER_00: I think though, where it became really apparent and frustrating to me was I was in my freshman seminar class, and uh we were reading this book on how bad slash dumb millennials were, written by someone who I think I'd have to go look up the author, but I'm pretty sure it was like either a boomer or Gen X.
• 11:28
  SPEAKER_00: Obviously, like it wasn't gonna be written by a millennial, and it was all the things that we now say about Gen Z, Gen Alpha, where it's like they're so selfish, they're so awful.
• 11:39
  SPEAKER_00: Um, which I was like, this is just a phenomenon where the elder generation hates.
• 11:44
  SPEAKER_00: But they were talking about there were several anecdotes in the book about Hispanic culture in particular, especially females and quincineras, where it was like obvious that the person writing didn't understand the cultural context in the book.
• 12:10
  SPEAKER_00: And I was like, and why quinceiras were a thing at all?
• 12:15
  SPEAKER_00: And I was like, this is weird, and I remember like we had to keep a journal that we like handed in to the professor, and I remember writing about it, and she's like, Yeah, but you're like missing the point that millennials are like selfish little bastards, and I was like, No, no, no.
• 12:35
  SPEAKER_00: I think this is like the author missing the point in a big way, but I was like an 18-year-old and didn't quite have the words to articulate what was going on, and so I think that was like my first inkling of like something being really off, but not really knowing like the deeper roots of it, because I was like, you're not criticizing bar mitzvahs and how extravagant those can be, and you're not criticizing other rites of passage.
• 13:09
  SPEAKER_00: Um, you're particularly picking out female people of color doing something to celebrate a rite of passage, and so I remember thinking like this is weird, um, and that was probably like my first exposure to that, but again, very pasty white college experience for me.
• 13:32
  SPEAKER_01: Mm-hmm.
• 13:33
  SPEAKER_01: Yes, yeah, huh?
• 13:37
  SPEAKER_01: Well, and I also because for a lot of years, it it took till probably the early 30s when I was like, oh, not all feminists are like, not all feminists hate men.
• 13:49
  SPEAKER_01: And actually, that's not really a part of feminism.
• 13:51
  SPEAKER_01: It's not about hating men.
• 13:53
  SPEAKER_01: Um, feminism is just about expecting, asking for, working for equality between men and women and people of color, uh, your sexual orientation, your class.
• 14:10
  SPEAKER_01: Like, it's all about uh like whether you're trans or not, like it's all about equality all across the board.
• 14:16
  SPEAKER_01: It's not about a matriarchy.
• 14:18
  SPEAKER_01: Like that was oh, that was one of the things I think the Barbie people missed in the Barbie movie was like, no, feminism isn't about like this matriarchy being a thing and then shoving all of the men down.
• 14:32
  SPEAKER_01: Like, I feel like the Barbie movie was trying to show, like, yeah, this is how messed up patriarchy is, because when you completely flip the roles, like, yeah, the men are oppressed, and we don't want men to be oppressed, we want men and women to be equal.
• 14:47
  SPEAKER_01: And I think too many people were like, ew, gross, like now it's just the women in power, and it's like, yeah, and it would be a lot better if women were in power, but also like we want equality, not one over, one under.
• 15:01
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 15:02
  SPEAKER_00: And I think what part of the Barbie miss movie missed too was explaining probably more explicitly that that is also not matriarchy, like that's not what matriarchy looks like.
• 15:15
  SPEAKER_00: And so um, yeah, I don't know.
• 15:20
  SPEAKER_00: I think so many people missed the point of that movie.
• 15:23
  SPEAKER_00: If you weren't if you aren't like steeped in this stuff, constantly reading the news, can't like super culturally aware, uh always on social media seeing topics like this.
• 15:38
  SPEAKER_00: So many people missed it, where it's like, well, I don't want that, and I'm like, that's not the point.
• 15:44
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 15:44
  SPEAKER_00: That actually is the point.
• 15:46
  SPEAKER_00: Like, the point is that we don't want that either.
• 15:48
  SPEAKER_00: Yes, exactly.
• 15:51
  SPEAKER_01: Exactly.
• 15:52
  SPEAKER_01: We don't just want the roles reversed.
• 15:54
  SPEAKER_01: That's not it, because that's still an oppressive system, and the whole idea is removing the oppressive system that is oppressive to women across the board and queer and trans and people of color, like all of that.
• 16:09
  SPEAKER_01: It's the idea for equality.
• 16:11
  SPEAKER_01: So, um, but this was on my mind this week uh because we've lost a couple of staunch feminists in the last couple of weeks.
• 16:21
  SPEAKER_01: Gloria Steinem passed uh just this past week, and Dolly Parton the week before.
• 16:28
  SPEAKER_01: It's just it's so sad.
• 16:32
  SPEAKER_01: It was really a bummer.
• 16:33
  SPEAKER_01: But when you think about the two of them, you might be like, okay, obviously Gloria Stein, Gloria Steinem, face of what second wave feminism essentially, she hated that.
• 16:44
  SPEAKER_01: Um, she didn't want to be the face of it, but it was kind of like a de facto thing.
• 16:50
  SPEAKER_01: Um, and she was like, that actually omits a lot of people and erases all of the um efforts and uh initiative of black women who really were the ones that started feminism back in the 1800s, and it's not just a Western thing, that was the other thing, but that's a side note, yeah.
• 17:09
  SPEAKER_01: But yeah, um, it's not it's easy to put a white woman at the front of the efforts for feminism, uh, but it's so much bigger than that.
• 17:20
  SPEAKER_01: But yeah, so she's the face of feminism.
• 17:23
  SPEAKER_01: Uh, and then you have Dolly Parton who like claimed not to be a feminist, but then like she wouldn't take that label, but then she ran around working for equality and like putting her money where her mouth was and like investing in things that offered equality to everyone.
• 17:44
  SPEAKER_01: So yeah, yes.
• 17:46
  SPEAKER_00: I think what's interesting too about Dolly was particularly Dolly, was that she she often like denied all labels.
• 18:02
  SPEAKER_00: Sometimes her face would say it, if the Botox would allow.
• 18:07
  SPEAKER_00: But um and y'all, Dolly had work done.
• 18:13
  SPEAKER_00: I know everybody knows, but I just wanted to say it out loud.
• 18:16
  SPEAKER_00: Dolly had work done.
• 18:18
  SPEAKER_00: Because there have been I've encountered some people where it's like she just didn't age, and I'm like, it's the filler and the Botox and the plastic surgery and the on and on and on.
• 18:30
  SPEAKER_00: Anyway.
• 18:31
  SPEAKER_00: Also, feminism, do what you want.
• 18:34
  SPEAKER_00: Um but I think it's so interesting, she denied all labels, but then almost all the ways in which she spent her millions, hundreds of millions, went to providing opportunities for other people, whether that was through the Imagination Library, through uh the theme parks that she built, because she wanted opportunities to be in places where there weren't a lot of opportunities, and so part of the reason Dollywood is in the middle of nowhere is because she wanted to be able to employ people in the mountains of East Tennessee.
• 19:14
  SPEAKER_00: Um in Dollywood today, I think, in Gatlinburg, employs 4,000 people who otherwise probably would not have that opportunity out there.
• 19:26
  SPEAKER_00: Um she was always a vocal ally of LGBTQIA plus individuals um saying, like, if you're gay, you're gay.
• 19:40
  SPEAKER_00: Like you can't help it.
• 19:41
  SPEAKER_00: Just let people be.
• 19:43
  SPEAKER_00: Um and I believe the one of the key moments there was when in her interview with Larry King, where she said that out loud.
• 19:52
  SPEAKER_00: And um so yeah, I think it's just interesting.
• 19:56
  SPEAKER_00: You have people who are like philosophers like Gloria Steinem and Bell Hooks, which is a whole other topic we could get into.
• 20:05
  SPEAKER_00: Um, and then you have people like Dolly, and it's almost interesting to me just the dichotomy of like the people who write about it and put the movement kind of out there and give it words, and then you have the people who fund it.
• 20:19
  SPEAKER_00: And part of the way that they fund it is just by being excellent at their craft and not really allowing labels to be ascribed to them.
• 20:31
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 20:31
  SPEAKER_00: Um it's so it's just an interesting, interesting dichotomy in that way.
• 20:36
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 20:37
  SPEAKER_00: Yep.
• 20:39
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, and I mean that makes me think about um Taylor Swift, and there's a whole host of things we could get into there.
• 20:49
  SPEAKER_01: But I think about how, you know, she hasn't, she's been kind of vocal in the last few years about politics, um, but not very, like just barely, essentially.
• 21:01
  SPEAKER_01: And she's gotten some criticism for that, especially in the last year or so.
• 21:06
  SPEAKER_01: And at the same time, I'm like, well, where's she putting her money?
• 21:10
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know all that much about it.
• 21:13
  SPEAKER_01: Um, and that's something I want to dig into.
• 21:15
  SPEAKER_01: But it makes me wonder, I'm like, where how is she funding things beyond just like, oh, she donates money to a food pantry at every stop?
• 21:24
  SPEAKER_01: Like, okay, that's pennies in the grand scheme of things.
• 21:29
  SPEAKER_01: So I'm I wonder where like what her contributions look like.
• 21:33
  SPEAKER_01: Um yeah, because I don't know, but yeah, again, topic for another time.
• 21:39
  SPEAKER_00: Contrast that with like Mackenzie Scott.
• 21:42
  SPEAKER_02: Yes.
• 21:44
  SPEAKER_00: Or even to some extent now that she's separated from Bill, Melinda Gates, like and just kind of what that starts to look like when you give women money and what they do with it versus just.
• 22:00
  SPEAKER_00: Bezos or I don't know Elon or Yelp.
• 22:08
  SPEAKER_00: Anyone that's in the billionaire class.
• 22:13
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, exactly.
• 22:15
  SPEAKER_01: Exactly.
• 22:16
  SPEAKER_01: Um, okay, so feminism is about equality everywhere, and we've hit on a couple of like the misunderstandings of it, like that it's about hating men, and it's not about hating men, um, and it's not about putting women in power over all the men.
• 22:35
  SPEAKER_01: It's not about like reversing one-to-one.
• 22:38
  SPEAKER_01: Um, what are some other myths that you have heard about feminism or misunderstandings?
• 22:49
  SPEAKER_00: Oh that one of the big myths that I think kind of perpetuates is that it's kind of the same thing that people say about racism.
• 23:06
  SPEAKER_00: It's like, well, we've already made so much progress.
• 23:10
  SPEAKER_00: Why do we need to keep this around?
• 23:11
  SPEAKER_00: Why does this need to continue to be a thing?
• 23:14
  SPEAKER_00: And it's interesting to me that even though we have equal pay laws, women continue to be underpaid compared to men.
• 23:26
  SPEAKER_00: And I think that's a myth that's been out there for a while now, or something that I hear kind of crop up is like, well, you can do anything you want as a female now, so why do you need XYZ thing?
• 23:41
  SPEAKER_00: XYZ equality thing.
• 23:45
  SPEAKER_00: And so that's been one that stands out to me.
• 23:47
  SPEAKER_00: I think another one that stands out to me is that it frequently when you hear people, especially white women, talk about feminism, it does not include black women, people of color.
• 24:04
  SPEAKER_00: Um it often doesn't include LGBTQIA individuals, which is where you get the whole turf movement.
• 24:16
  SPEAKER_00: Which is like what JK Rowling is a part of, which is a whole other topic we could do that maybe isn't one that I really want to do.
• 24:26
  SPEAKER_00: Um so yeah, those are a couple of the myths that I've heard.
• 24:32
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 24:32
  SPEAKER_01: Yep.
• 24:33
  SPEAKER_01: And I think I've I know I still have to, it's not the same that it used to be, but like early on when I was first like, oh, feminism and here's what it's about, and when I was learning a lot about it, I was learning mainly about the impacts on white women and kept missing the fact that for any woman or like female presenting woman uh or female presenting individual has it worse than white women.
• 25:08
  SPEAKER_01: And feminism is not complete unless we are looking at the intersection of feminism with all of those other things, which is what intersectionality is, is like all of these factors come together to impact how like people what what needs to be addressed in order to like be at the quote unquote finish line, which I don't think we'll ever really get to, but yeah, it has to take all of that into account.
• 25:39
  SPEAKER_00: Probably not not in the United States.
• 25:42
  SPEAKER_01: No, no, I don't think so.
• 25:46
  SPEAKER_01: I don't think so.
• 25:47
  SPEAKER_01: No, those are good.
• 25:49
  SPEAKER_01: Um another one of my favorites, and you alluded to it, is that feminists like don't wear makeup or don't care about fashion.
• 26:00
  SPEAKER_00: They don't wear bras.
• 26:02
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 26:02
  SPEAKER_00: That's the biggest thing.
• 26:03
  SPEAKER_00: That's the biggest thing about feminism.
• 26:05
  SPEAKER_00: Free the boob.
• 26:06
  SPEAKER_01: Yes, free the tatas.
• 26:09
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, um the beauty of feminism is it's about uh allowing women to fully engage with their agency and to have full autonomy over the way they choose to present themselves in the world.
• 26:25
  SPEAKER_01: So as a feminist, you're allowed to not wear makeup or wear makeup, you're allowed to get uh Botox or not get Botox or get Botox for a while and then stop or not get it for years and then start getting it.
• 26:37
  SPEAKER_01: Like you can have your boobs out the way Dolly does, or you can keep them hidden away.
• 26:44
  SPEAKER_01: Like it's either one is okay because it's up to you to decide what is right for you and how you want to show up in your life as a whole, in that day, in that week, whatever.
• 26:57
  SPEAKER_00: And most most of my choices around all of that just have to do with being comfortable.
• 27:03
  SPEAKER_00: Like to those of you who have never had the opportunity to wear a push-up bra, those things are hell.
• 27:10
  SPEAKER_02: Yes, they're awful.
• 27:12
  SPEAKER_00: They like keep they yep, they're not good.
• 27:17
  SPEAKER_00: They're not good, friends.
• 27:19
  SPEAKER_00: Squishing stuff, pulling things in, and places that shouldn't be, it's not good.
• 27:24
  SPEAKER_00: Don't recommend.
• 27:26
  SPEAKER_01: Well, and the more you shove stuff up towards your neck, like when I was in a smaller body, it wasn't as much of a deal.
• 27:32
  SPEAKER_01: But now that I'm in a bigger body and my chest is proportionally bigger, the times that I was like, Oh, I'll try a push-up bra again.
• 27:40
  SPEAKER_01: I'm like, I'll I can't like look down now because there's so much flesh right under my throat.
• 27:48
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, what the heck?
• 27:49
  SPEAKER_01: This is awful.
• 27:50
  SPEAKER_00: I don't know how Dolly did it, but I guess you just get used to it.
• 27:55
  SPEAKER_00: I I just imagine her offstage, just like basically in a wife beater, and like swing low, sweet chariot, a pair, a pair of shorts, and just like I'm done.
• 28:11
  SPEAKER_01: Just like thank goodness, they just drop two feet.
• 28:16
  SPEAKER_00: The other thing too, like a lot of people don't realize a lot all of her hair was wigs, so like nobody actually knows what was under there.
• 28:23
  SPEAKER_00: I'm just like, yeah, girl, I don't blame you.
• 28:26
  SPEAKER_00: Yep.
• 28:27
  SPEAKER_00: I'd buzz it all off and wear wigs too if I thought I could get away with it.
• 28:30
  SPEAKER_00: But the problem is I just wouldn't wear the wig.
• 28:33
  SPEAKER_00: Yep.
• 28:34
  SPEAKER_00: And then maybe that's not a problem.
• 28:39
  SPEAKER_00: I don't know.
• 28:43
  SPEAKER_01: Oh yeah.
• 28:45
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 28:47
  SPEAKER_01: But yeah, it's the beauty of feminism.
• 28:49
  SPEAKER_01: Adhere to a beauty standard or don't.
• 28:51
  SPEAKER_01: And do it because that's what you want to do, not because you're gonna be worth less because you don't adhere to a beauty standard.
• 28:58
  SPEAKER_01: Uh yeah, do it based on what you want.
• 29:01
  SPEAKER_01: So yeah.
• 29:04
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 29:05
  SPEAKER_01: Amazing.
• 29:07
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, but that's the other thing.
• 29:08
  SPEAKER_01: Like, I was um I so Netflix has that whole series where they do an interview with somebody who's basically gonna pass soon.
• 29:20
  SPEAKER_01: I think they did that with Christopher Reeves, they did it with Gloria Steinem, and this is I think it's called like their final words.
• 29:27
  SPEAKER_01: So they know that this is not gonna be aired until after they pass.
• 29:31
  SPEAKER_01: They know the intent is like, what do you want to leave the world with?
• 29:34
  SPEAKER_01: Which is watching it, I was like, this, you've got to be comfortable to some extent with your own death to be able to sit here and have a like reasonable conversation.
• 29:50
  SPEAKER_00: Spoken like a true death doula.
• 29:53
  SPEAKER_01: I know, just like this.
• 29:56
  SPEAKER_01: That would be putting some people through a lot to do that because it's it's just them and the interviewer.
• 30:01
  SPEAKER_01: There are five cameras that are operated remotely.
• 30:04
  SPEAKER_01: The studio is pretty dark.
• 30:06
  SPEAKER_01: Um, even where they're sitting is not like blasting them with bright light.
• 30:11
  SPEAKER_01: And the interviewer's like, so we're alone, we're in private.
• 30:14
  SPEAKER_01: And Gloria was like, Yeah, except for the fact that this is being recorded and then gonna be broadcast.
• 30:19
  SPEAKER_01: And he was like, Well, yeah, that's true.
• 30:22
  SPEAKER_01: But um, oh my gosh.
• 30:25
  SPEAKER_01: I was like, Yeah, sure.
• 30:26
  SPEAKER_01: Try to make them comfortable, but like this is still gonna be a thing later.
• 30:31
  SPEAKER_01: Oh my god.
• 30:32
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, anyway.
• 30:33
  SPEAKER_00: It's weird.
• 30:33
  SPEAKER_00: People are weird.
• 30:35
  SPEAKER_01: I know.
• 30:35
  SPEAKER_01: I was like, I I get you're trying to like set this cozy, intimate setting, but like she's a smart lady, okay?
• 30:42
  SPEAKER_01: She may be old, but she's smart, and she knows what's gonna happen with this.
• 30:48
  SPEAKER_01: Um, but anyway, so I watched that and just had been reading some articles about her and about her life, and it just again, it's the it's sexism in action.
• 31:00
  SPEAKER_01: Is sexism the right word?
• 31:01
  SPEAKER_01: Where uh she like she couldn't win either way because people said, well, this this move of feminism, the this wave of feminism is really only succeeding because Gloria is a pretty woman, and so it's like that's the only reason that it's winning.
• 31:22
  SPEAKER_01: And then other people are like, Well, you're not pretty enough, and uh it was like a damned if you do, damned if you don't, sort of situation.
• 31:31
  SPEAKER_01: You're not a run boy model, right?
• 31:34
  SPEAKER_00: But you're also not ugly enough.
• 31:39
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 31:39
  SPEAKER_00: Like we need you to be a little bit uglier or we need you to be hot, right?
• 31:47
  SPEAKER_00: Pick one and then be that.
• 31:49
  SPEAKER_00: And it's like, uh okay.
• 31:52
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 31:53
  SPEAKER_01: Alright.
• 31:54
  SPEAKER_01: This is dumb.
• 31:56
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 31:58
  SPEAKER_01: Mm-hmm.
• 31:59
  SPEAKER_01: Uh let me see.
• 32:01
  SPEAKER_01: Was there anything else?
• 32:04
  SPEAKER_01: Can you think of any other myths or misunderstandings about feminism that you've heard?
• 32:12
  SPEAKER_00: Nobody actually burns bras.
• 32:15
  SPEAKER_00: There we go.
• 32:17
  SPEAKER_01: Mm-hmm.
• 32:18
  SPEAKER_01: Yep.
• 32:20
  SPEAKER_01: That was a whole thing.
• 32:22
  SPEAKER_01: That was a whole thing that was like made to make feminists look more radical and see more like, oh, they're so out there, they're burning their bras, they don't want to run around wearing bras.
• 32:35
  SPEAKER_01: That was just like one or two people did that at a protest at the Miss America pageant in the late 60s.
• 32:44
  SPEAKER_01: And they were, they had a freedom trash can.
• 32:46
  SPEAKER_01: They were throwing like lipstick and high heels and stuff like that in there.
• 32:51
  SPEAKER_01: And then some gal that was at the um protest just like slipped her bra off from under her shirt and threw it in the can, and then they lit the can on fire at some point.
• 33:01
  SPEAKER_01: And that a reporter was like, Oh my gosh, and now they're burning their bras too, and then that just sent it on a thing.
• 33:10
  SPEAKER_01: Like, there weren't like rallies where everybody was whipping off their bras and burning them, and like that's that's never been a thing.
• 33:18
  SPEAKER_00: I know they're like$70 each, guys.
• 33:22
  SPEAKER_00: I just ordered okay, I'm going to Spain in May.
• 33:27
  SPEAKER_00: Woo! Long time from now.
• 33:29
  SPEAKER_00: A lot could happen.
• 33:30
  SPEAKER_00: But I was like, I need to start like spacing out all the stuff that I know I'm gonna have to purchase ahead of time.
• 33:40
  SPEAKER_00: So I was like ordering clothes.
• 33:42
  SPEAKER_00: So I ordered a bunch of clothes, then I was like, this is gonna be my little travel wardrobe.
• 33:47
  SPEAKER_00: So also had to buy some bras.
• 33:51
  SPEAKER_00: I think bralettes, two of them,$125.
• 33:57
  SPEAKER_02: What?
• 33:58
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 33:59
  SPEAKER_00: Now granted, they're like, because I'm also a weirdo, like hypoallergenic, wool, whatever.
• 34:07
  SPEAKER_00: But I was like, yeah, uh-huh, yes.
• 34:10
  SPEAKER_00: No, am I gonna burn that?
• 34:11
  SPEAKER_00: No, I'm gonna snatch it back out of the burn pile before anybody lights it on fire because I can't force it to burn it.
• 34:20
  SPEAKER_00: Why would I do that?
• 34:21
  SPEAKER_00: That's crazy.
• 34:22
  SPEAKER_00: Nobody's burning bras, y'all.
• 34:24
  SPEAKER_00: Even 1960 price bras, no.
• 34:28
  SPEAKER_01: No, uh-uh.
• 34:29
  SPEAKER_01: Might slip it off and wave it around, but even then I'm like, I don't want to walk around without my bra on either.
• 34:36
  SPEAKER_01: That just hurts.
• 34:37
  SPEAKER_00: Like it's not comfortable.
• 34:39
  SPEAKER_01: No, mm-mm.
• 34:42
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah.
• 34:44
  SPEAKER_01: No burning bras.
• 34:46
  SPEAKER_01: Again, it was just one of those things to make it seem extreme over the top, which was always I was like, oh, I always thought feminists were extreme and constantly raging at people and always pissed off, and like you couldn't ascribe to any beauty.
• 34:59
  SPEAKER_01: Like, that was essentially what I thought of feminism early on.
• 35:02
  SPEAKER_01: It was like you can't like any beauty standard whatsoever, and all of that.
• 35:07
  SPEAKER_01: And no, not it at all.
• 35:09
  SPEAKER_01: You get to wear your bra.
• 35:10
  SPEAKER_00: I cared about beauty standards and putting makeup on every day, and then finally was like, I'm too tired to put makeup on every day.
• 35:18
  SPEAKER_00: So it became like every couple days, and then it became once a week, and then it became maybe once every three months.
• 35:28
  SPEAKER_00: Is the makeup in the drawer moldering?
• 35:32
  SPEAKER_00: No?
• 35:32
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 35:36
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, that's awesome.
• 35:38
  SPEAKER_01: When did that start for you?
• 35:41
  SPEAKER_00: Uh let's see.
• 35:45
  SPEAKER_00: Probably.
• 35:49
  SPEAKER_00: How old would I have been?
• 35:52
  SPEAKER_00: 35.
• 35:54
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 35:55
  SPEAKER_00: I was just like, I'm too tired.
• 35:58
  SPEAKER_00: I got promoted.
• 35:59
  SPEAKER_00: I was getting wor I was getting to work by 6 30 a.m.
• 36:03
  SPEAKER_00: every day.
• 36:05
  SPEAKER_01: And then you did that.
• 36:07
  SPEAKER_00: Usually I would start meeting with people at 7.
• 36:12
  SPEAKER_00: Because it would be whoever wanted extra time would just have to get there at the crack of dawn.
• 36:18
  SPEAKER_02: Oh my gosh.
• 36:19
  SPEAKER_00: And then yeah, we'd eat breakfast together.
• 36:23
  SPEAKER_00: And then I was like, I don't I'm getting up at 5, 5.30.
• 36:29
  SPEAKER_00: I don't have the energy to put into this.
• 36:34
  SPEAKER_00: I was like, no.
• 36:35
  SPEAKER_01: No.
• 36:36
  SPEAKER_00: No.
• 36:37
  SPEAKER_00: Not gonna happen.
• 36:38
  SPEAKER_00: Just can't do it.
• 36:39
  SPEAKER_00: I was like, something's gotta give.
• 36:41
  SPEAKER_00: My face.
• 36:42
  SPEAKER_00: My face gave up.
• 36:45
  SPEAKER_00: My face gave up.
• 36:47
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 36:48
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, for me it was COVID.
• 36:52
  SPEAKER_01: I started wearing when we were work from home.
• 36:55
  SPEAKER_01: I started wearing only mascara because I was like, can't tell.
• 37:00
  SPEAKER_01: Like, I light blonde.
• 37:03
  SPEAKER_01: Well, now it's gray blonde, but blonde hair.
• 37:07
  SPEAKER_01: And so my eyelashes are super light, they're fine, and they're stick straight, so you can never see them.
• 37:13
  SPEAKER_01: And so, like, for a long time, mascara was like a must-have.
• 37:17
  SPEAKER_01: Um, but I was like, oh, I don't really need to wear, I don't need to wear foundation, I don't have to worry about eyeshadow.
• 37:23
  SPEAKER_01: Like, this is great.
• 37:24
  SPEAKER_01: Like, I don't wash my face regularly anyway, so now it's one less thing I have to like worry about.
• 37:29
  SPEAKER_01: I can just do the toner and go.
• 37:32
  SPEAKER_01: Which that's that's not great for a variety of reasons.
• 37:37
  SPEAKER_01: But um, yeah, and then when we came back to the office, I think I came back with just mascara and foundation, and then it was after it was after my mom passed when I came back and I was like, I can cry at any moment and the mascara and just everything will run.
• 38:00
  SPEAKER_01: So I was like, I just stopped.
• 38:02
  SPEAKER_01: I just bareface started going to work, and I was just like, There were so many, like, are you okay comments?
• 38:09
  SPEAKER_01: I'm like, no, I'm not.
• 38:11
  SPEAKER_00: Actually, no, not not a little bit, not even.
• 38:15
  SPEAKER_01: Yep, yeah, yeah.
• 38:16
  SPEAKER_01: But it makes sense like why people wear makeup because that when I was wearing makeup regularly, and I would come into work without it one day, or I wouldn't have eyeliner on and I'd just have mascara.
• 38:30
  SPEAKER_01: And the com especially dudes, the comments that would be like, Are you feeling okay today?
• 38:35
  SPEAKER_01: And it's like, yeah, I'm fine.
• 38:36
  SPEAKER_01: It's like, oh, you just you look a little washed out, or just that you might not be feeling well.
• 38:42
  SPEAKER_00: You look tired.
• 38:43
  SPEAKER_00: Yes, tired.
• 38:45
  SPEAKER_01: You look tired.
• 38:46
  SPEAKER_01: It's like, oh, I'm just not wearing as much makeup today.
• 38:49
  SPEAKER_01: And I would just tell them that, and they're like, Oh.
• 38:52
  SPEAKER_00: And then they feel like weird about it.
• 38:54
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 38:54
  SPEAKER_01: Yes.
• 38:55
  SPEAKER_01: I'm like, good, you should feel weird about it.
• 38:57
  SPEAKER_01: You don't need to comment on my appearance.
• 38:59
  SPEAKER_01: No, but it's just like, yeah, that stuff gets that stuff happens, and then people make assumptions, and it's just like, ugh, I get why people if that's part of the motivation, I get it.
• 39:12
  SPEAKER_01: I get it.
• 39:13
  SPEAKER_01: Because people be dumb.
• 39:16
  SPEAKER_01: And I know I've said that to people too.
• 39:18
  SPEAKER_01: I'm like, oh yeah, you're right, sorry, but I don't need to.
• 39:22
  SPEAKER_00: But it's one thing if it's like you actually do look like crap, and you are obviously ill in in the office.
• 39:31
  SPEAKER_00: Like your nose is red, and your eyes are red, and you're ghostly pale.
• 39:38
  SPEAKER_00: Yes, and you have huge bags under your eyes.
• 39:41
  SPEAKER_00: Like, perhaps maybe make sure that person's okay.
• 39:45
  SPEAKER_00: Yes.
• 39:45
  SPEAKER_00: But also, there's a way to do that without commenting on their appearance.
• 39:50
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 39:50
  SPEAKER_00: It's like, hey, are you okay?
• 39:52
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 39:54
  SPEAKER_00: How are you feeling today?
• 39:55
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 39:55
  SPEAKER_00: You let the person say, is this okay or not?
• 40:01
  SPEAKER_00: Not yeah.
• 40:03
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 40:03
  unknown: Uh-huh.
• 40:04
  SPEAKER_00: Mm-hmm.
• 40:04
  SPEAKER_00: Uh-huh.
• 40:05
  SPEAKER_01: Yes.
• 40:06
  SPEAKER_00: That's great.
• 40:08
  SPEAKER_01: Oh my gosh.
• 40:09
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, people.
• 40:10
  SPEAKER_00: People being there.
• 40:11
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 40:12
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 40:12
  SPEAKER_01: I keep I keep having dreams about uh the place we used to work.
• 40:19
  SPEAKER_01: And sorry.
• 40:21
  SPEAKER_01: Like the I know the most recent one was about the the new building and where we had staff meeting, but it was just even grander and bigger.
• 40:30
  SPEAKER_01: And I was like, ew.
• 40:33
  SPEAKER_01: You needed like a scooter or a little tram to get around.
• 40:36
  SPEAKER_01: There were little people movers all over the building.
• 40:39
  SPEAKER_01: I'm like, yep, it's awesome.
• 40:42
  SPEAKER_00: Just a thousand scooters.
• 40:46
  SPEAKER_00: Those E-powered like bird scooters just everywhere.
• 40:52
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 40:53
  SPEAKER_01: Oh my gosh.
• 40:54
  SPEAKER_01: Talk about a pet peeve.
• 40:56
  SPEAKER_01: I hate those things too.
• 40:57
  SPEAKER_01: And the fact that so many people ride around on them without helmets.
• 41:01
  SPEAKER_01: I'm like, stop.
• 41:03
  SPEAKER_00: Please stop.
• 41:04
  SPEAKER_00: I I've never been on one, primarily because I'm like, you will hurt yourself.
• 41:10
  SPEAKER_00: Like that's not a question.
• 41:11
  SPEAKER_00: Like you're gonna fall off this thing and probably hurt yourself.
• 41:14
  SPEAKER_00: And the problem is, like, I won't break something, I'll just like bend at a weird angle.
• 41:20
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 41:22
  SPEAKER_00: And then be like, oh okay, now I'm like permanently injured.
• 41:27
  SPEAKER_00: Uh I've never tried it.
• 41:30
  SPEAKER_00: I've thought about it.
• 41:31
  SPEAKER_00: I'm like, it would be very convenient to get from A to B.
• 41:36
  SPEAKER_00: But I don't really know.
• 41:41
  SPEAKER_00: I feel like I would just fall off.
• 41:44
  SPEAKER_01: Oh yeah.
• 41:44
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know.
• 41:45
  SPEAKER_01: Same.
• 41:45
  SPEAKER_00: Or I'd hit a bump and be like, ah slap.
• 41:49
  SPEAKER_01: Uh-huh.
• 41:51
  SPEAKER_01: Like that is.
• 41:52
  SPEAKER_01: I think I'm in a I like I feel like I'm in a better place with it now than I would have been like two or three years ago, as far as balance goes, but still, it doesn't matter.
• 42:00
  SPEAKER_01: Like, uh I was going to a concert last year with a friend, and we we had a ways to walk, and there were a couple of those scooters nearby.
• 42:11
  SPEAKER_01: They're like, should we just take this?
• 42:12
  SPEAKER_01: And I'm like, no, you can.
• 42:17
  SPEAKER_01: But I'm not going to.
• 42:18
  SPEAKER_01: And it's like, why?
• 42:19
  SPEAKER_01: Like, because I've never been on one of those before.
• 42:22
  SPEAKER_01: The last time I was on anything that rolled, like, I fell and like got a bone bruise on my knee because I didn't have any knee pads on.
• 42:32
  SPEAKER_01: I'm like, no.
• 42:33
  SPEAKER_01: Now, maybe what I could have done was because there was an empty lot right next to them.
• 42:40
  SPEAKER_01: So I could have maybe gotten on it and then like rode in circles for five minutes.
• 42:46
  SPEAKER_01: But exactly, I'm not gonna pay to do that.
• 42:49
  SPEAKER_01: When in that point, I'm like, I already would have been over the pedestrian bridge.
• 42:52
  SPEAKER_01: And so I was just like, no, I don't know.
• 42:57
  SPEAKER_01: No, I'll suffer my my knee pain instead of ending up sprawled and twisted and broken weirdly on the ground.
• 43:06
  SPEAKER_01: No thanks.
• 43:07
  SPEAKER_01: No, thank you.
• 43:08
  SPEAKER_01: I'm fine.
• 43:09
  SPEAKER_00: I do that anyway.
• 43:10
  SPEAKER_00: I'm like, I don't need help with that.
• 43:13
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, no thanks.
• 43:14
  SPEAKER_00: Oh gosh.
• 43:16
  SPEAKER_00: No.
• 43:16
  SPEAKER_00: No.
• 43:17
  SPEAKER_00: Yo, no.
• 43:20
  SPEAKER_00: Oh yeah.
• 43:23
  SPEAKER_01: Mm-hmm.
• 43:24
  SPEAKER_01: Mm-hmm.
• 43:25
  SPEAKER_01: All right.
• 43:25
  SPEAKER_01: But yeah, no scooters.
• 43:27
  SPEAKER_00: That's good.
• 43:28
  SPEAKER_01: Will, uh, what's something good of yours this week?
• 43:34
  SPEAKER_00: It's Labor Day.
• 43:35
  SPEAKER_00: So the day off.
• 43:38
  SPEAKER_01: Woo-hoo.
• 43:39
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, we're uh we're working ahead on these recordings.
• 43:42
  SPEAKER_01: This is great.
• 43:43
  SPEAKER_00: Look at us being four days ahead.
• 43:46
  SPEAKER_01: I know, it's awesome.
• 43:49
  SPEAKER_00: So yeah, there's that.
• 43:50
  SPEAKER_00: I'm trying to think of more.
• 43:52
  SPEAKER_01: You doing anything doing anything special with your day?
• 43:56
  SPEAKER_00: No.
• 43:58
  SPEAKER_01: Excellent.
• 43:59
  SPEAKER_01: That's how it should be.
• 44:02
  SPEAKER_00: It's gonna be great.
• 44:05
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 44:06
  SPEAKER_01: I need to go get a crema.
• 44:08
  SPEAKER_01: I'll bring you one if you want.
• 44:13
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I don't know.
• 44:13
  SPEAKER_00: I'm assuming they're open.
• 44:16
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I would think so.
• 44:18
  SPEAKER_01: Maybe they close early.
• 44:20
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I don't know.
• 44:22
  SPEAKER_00: It's hard to keep up with people's schedules.
• 44:24
  SPEAKER_00: I'm like, I can't keep up with my own.
• 44:26
  SPEAKER_00: So not gonna be able to keep up.
• 44:31
  SPEAKER_00: Uh it's planner season, so that's fine.
• 44:36
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 44:37
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 44:38
  SPEAKER_00: Think of what else?
• 44:39
  SPEAKER_00: I've ordered my Hobonichi planner.
• 44:44
  SPEAKER_01: And if you don't know, Hobonichi is a Japanese uh brand planner system.
• 44:50
  SPEAKER_01: It's glorious.
• 44:51
  SPEAKER_01: It has really thin paper that is super uh very nice for all of the different kinds of inks and fountain pens.
• 45:00
  SPEAKER_01: Yes.
• 45:01
  SPEAKER_01: It's lovely.
• 45:02
  SPEAKER_01: And then every year.
• 45:03
  SPEAKER_01: Oh go ahead.
• 45:04
  SPEAKER_00: I was like, someday we'll start a spin-off podcast just about paper and ink.
• 45:09
  SPEAKER_00: And I don't I don't know what we would talk about.
• 45:12
  SPEAKER_00: Something.
• 45:13
  SPEAKER_00: I'd probably read more.
• 45:14
  SPEAKER_00: It'd probably be just like chit-chat.
• 45:16
  SPEAKER_00: It'd be like this.
• 45:17
  SPEAKER_00: It'd be hot takes on paper.
• 45:19
  SPEAKER_00: We should just call it that would be the name of it.
• 45:22
  SPEAKER_00: Hot takes on paper.
• 45:24
  SPEAKER_00: I love it.
• 45:25
  SPEAKER_00: Well, the Timoei River is not as good as the Koji because of the coding that they do anyway.
• 45:31
  SPEAKER_00: Yes, that would be the type of hot take that it would be.
• 45:35
  SPEAKER_00: Uh and I want the dot grid, not the grid.
• 45:39
  SPEAKER_01: And they don't offer that at Sterling Inc.
• 45:42
  SPEAKER_00: I do like the dot grid over the grid.
• 45:45
  SPEAKER_00: I'm gonna say it.
• 45:46
  SPEAKER_00: That's fine.
• 45:47
  SPEAKER_00: Have you ordered your Sterling Inc.
• 45:49
  SPEAKER_00: yet today?
• 45:50
  SPEAKER_01: I did.
• 45:51
  SPEAKER_01: They went online at 9 a.m.
• 45:54
  SPEAKER_01: and I was online at 9 a.m.
• 45:56
  SPEAKER_01: They did have some notebook restocked, but they were starting to sell out of those pretty quick.
• 46:01
  SPEAKER_00: I looked yesterday at the A5 and they were all gone.
• 46:06
  SPEAKER_00: I was like, okay.
• 46:08
  SPEAKER_01: They they restocked some then because there were some A5 notebooks.
• 46:12
  SPEAKER_01: Um but yeah, that was my good thing for today, is yeah, I put my Hobonichi order in last week and then Sterling Inc.
• 46:21
  SPEAKER_01: in this morning.
• 46:23
  SPEAKER_01: So I'm very excited.
• 46:25
  SPEAKER_01: I got everything that I was hoping to get, um, except for a couple of the colors.
• 46:29
  SPEAKER_01: I had to get a camel color instead of like the light blue or the light pink, but I was like, yeah, that's okay.
• 46:34
  SPEAKER_01: I also wasn't like speed racing through the website.
• 46:38
  SPEAKER_01: I took my time finding things, which is probably part of what happened, but the most important stuff, I got it.
• 46:44
  SPEAKER_01: So I'm excited.
• 46:47
  SPEAKER_01: And then the hardest part is waiting.
• 46:50
  SPEAKER_01: When those things come in, I'm like, uh, do I open it or do I just wait until like later in Q4 to open everything?
• 47:00
  SPEAKER_01: Last year I waited.
• 47:01
  SPEAKER_00: This is why I'm like undated.
• 47:04
  SPEAKER_00: If you just go with undated, you can do whatever you want, whatever you want.
• 47:08
  SPEAKER_01: It's very true.
• 47:09
  SPEAKER_00: And I'm like, I'm trying to wait for gentlemen stationer.
• 47:16
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, so there's this dude down the road who I mean he's local, who has a stationary store in Nashville.
• 47:24
  SPEAKER_00: There's like three of them now.
• 47:28
  SPEAKER_00: I guess.
• 47:30
  SPEAKER_00: There's one in Donaldson, there's one in Antioch, there's one in Berry Hill-ish.
• 47:36
  SPEAKER_00: And uh he is going to carry the Wonderland 222 brand this year.
• 47:45
  SPEAKER_00: And I'm waiting to see what he has, because I would like to support him, but I'm also like, I can order this now.
• 47:54
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 47:55
  SPEAKER_00: On the website, and then just have it.
• 47:59
  SPEAKER_00: And because it's undated, I could start using it.
• 48:02
  SPEAKER_00: But I'm gonna be nice and try to support the local guy.
• 48:07
  SPEAKER_00: Good for you.
• 48:09
  SPEAKER_00: It's gonna kill me.
• 48:10
  SPEAKER_01: I went the waiting is the worst.
• 48:13
  SPEAKER_01: That's why I'm like, Lauren, you need to practice some delayed gratification so the boxes show up and they can just hang out until it's time to open them.
• 48:22
  SPEAKER_01: Or something like that.
• 48:24
  SPEAKER_01: So we'll see how that works.
• 48:25
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know if that'll work.
• 48:27
  SPEAKER_01: They I did get a notebook that uh I'm like, I technically could use that notebook now, so I might open the Sterling Inc.
• 48:37
  SPEAKER_01: box when it gets here.
• 48:39
  SPEAKER_01: But I went to Gentleman's stationer on Saturday.
• 48:42
  SPEAKER_01: Was it Saturday?
• 48:43
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 48:44
  SPEAKER_01: Because I was so proud of myself.
• 48:46
  SPEAKER_01: I scheduled three doctor's appointments on Friday, and to celebrate, I went and got a pack of pens, those EMOT uni pens.
• 48:56
  SPEAKER_01: Yes, and because he has he has like six or seven different packs of multis, multi-packs of those, and I got very excited.
• 49:08
  SPEAKER_01: So I went and got that.
• 49:09
  SPEAKER_01: But Anna, there were so many people in there.
• 49:12
  SPEAKER_01: There were like 10 people in the store.
• 49:14
  SPEAKER_01: You could hardly move around.
• 49:15
  SPEAKER_01: I'm going, what is happening?
• 49:20
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, it is tiny.
• 49:22
  SPEAKER_01: It's probably like 10 10 by 20, maybe.
• 49:28
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, 20 by 30, something like that.
• 49:31
  SPEAKER_00: Size of a living room, maybe.
• 49:33
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 49:34
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 49:34
  SPEAKER_00: It's tiny.
• 49:35
  SPEAKER_01: Like with lots of shelves and then like spinning things in the middle.
• 49:40
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, it's tiny.
• 49:42
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 49:43
  SPEAKER_01: So like you're you're definitely coming into contact with people as you scooch by.
• 49:47
  SPEAKER_01: It's like, oh, excuse me.
• 49:50
  SPEAKER_00: I don't know.
• 49:51
  SPEAKER_00: I don't know if I liked that or not.
• 49:55
  SPEAKER_01: Nope.
• 49:56
  SPEAKER_01: It was it was real close quarters.
• 49:58
  SPEAKER_01: And like the parking lot was full too.
• 50:00
  SPEAKER_01: When I pulled up, I thought, uh oh, this is gonna be.
• 50:03
  SPEAKER_01: So it's not like it was one like a bachelorette party or something of eight people in one car.
• 50:09
  SPEAKER_01: It was multiple things.
• 50:11
  SPEAKER_00: To have a bachelorette sicked on him.
• 50:15
  SPEAKER_01: Oh my gosh, Lord.
• 50:17
  SPEAKER_01: Unless it was like my bachelorette, and then it would be like, but we'd be we're we're not a Nashville kind of bachelorette.
• 50:25
  SPEAKER_00: Coming in in our cowboy boots and hats, and yeah, when I think bachelorette, I think somebody's wearing a white t-shirt with a sash, and then everybody's wearing cowboy boots.
• 50:37
  SPEAKER_00: Yep.
• 50:37
  SPEAKER_00: And because they haven't broken them in yet, just blisters everywhere.
• 50:41
  SPEAKER_01: Yep.
• 50:42
  SPEAKER_01: Mm-hmm.
• 50:43
  SPEAKER_01: And then they're coming in drunk no matter what time of day it is.
• 50:46
  SPEAKER_00: Woo! And then they rode some kind of thing, cart, whatever, beer cart, pedal tavern, whatever, to get to the store.
• 50:57
  SPEAKER_00: Just downtown too.
• 51:00
  SPEAKER_00: Can you imagine?
• 51:02
  SPEAKER_00: A pedal tavern.
• 51:04
  SPEAKER_00: All the way just from Broadway all around town.
• 51:09
  SPEAKER_00: Oh my gosh.
• 51:11
  SPEAKER_00: They'd just be passed out.
• 51:14
  SPEAKER_00: Like Las Vegas is one thing.
• 51:17
  SPEAKER_00: Nashville is like Las Vegas, but then worse somehow.
• 51:20
  SPEAKER_00: It's like it's like, yeah, if you took Las Vegas and you made it crappier.
• 51:30
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 51:31
  SPEAKER_00: That's my it's yeah, I don't know.
• 51:34
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, if you made if you made it was like it's trying to be Vegas, and you're like, oh, you're not though.
• 51:42
  SPEAKER_01: You're just you're not.
• 51:44
  SPEAKER_00: Because Las Vegas is like trashy.
• 51:48
  SPEAKER_01: Mm-hmm.
• 51:49
  SPEAKER_00: But I think it's the like we're gonna pretend that we're not, and Nashville's just trashy.
• 51:58
  SPEAKER_01: Yes.
• 52:01
  SPEAKER_00: But yeah.
• 52:02
  SPEAKER_01: Yep.
• 52:03
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 52:04
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 52:04
  SPEAKER_01: It's it's special.
• 52:07
  SPEAKER_00: Well that's a whole vibe.
• 52:09
  SPEAKER_01: That's why I don't go downtown very much.
• 52:11
  SPEAKER_01: And if I do, it's straight to the concert venue and then out.
• 52:16
  SPEAKER_01: Yes.
• 52:17
  SPEAKER_01: Avoid the petal taverns and the chaos.
• 52:20
  SPEAKER_01: But that's just me.
• 52:24
  SPEAKER_01: Alright.
• 52:26
  SPEAKER_01: Anything else for this party?
• 52:29
  SPEAKER_00: No, nothing.
• 52:29
  SPEAKER_00: I got nothing.
• 52:31
  SPEAKER_01: Cool.
• 52:32
  SPEAKER_01: Woohoo!
• 52:32
  SPEAKER_00: Where can people find you?
• 52:34
  SPEAKER_01: Oh yeah.
• 52:36
  SPEAKER_01: Uh you can check out my website, Lauren M.
• 52:39
  SPEAKER_01: Height, which is h-i-g-h-t.com, and there you'll find my Death Doula work, the end of life support and services, writing about creativity and uh systems help and career management, like career change help.
• 52:55
  SPEAKER_01: If you're looking to do career change, I've done it a few times.
• 52:58
  SPEAKER_01: So happy to walk with you in that.
• 53:01
  SPEAKER_01: What about you?
• 53:02
  SPEAKER_00: You can find me at anashmonk.com, S-C-H-M-U-N-K, for all things spiritual direction.
• 53:10
  SPEAKER_00: You can learn about upcoming workshops.
• 53:13
  SPEAKER_00: And yeah, I'd love to work with you.
• 53:17
  SPEAKER_01: Awesome.
• 53:18
  SPEAKER_01: All right.
• 53:19
  SPEAKER_01: That's it.
• 53:20
  SPEAKER_01: Cool.
• 53:20
  SPEAKER_01: Well, have a good day.
• 53:21
  SPEAKER_01: Enjoy your day off.
• 53:22
  SPEAKER_01: Yay.
• 53:23
  SPEAKER_01: Bye.
• 53:24
  SPEAKER_01: Bye.